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We are going to have an amazing show tonight.

We're taking a look at uphology you Apology in twenty twenty five as we've got a great panel coming up here momentarily, and we're going to go the full three hours with us no swamp dweller, no other distractions.

It's straight UFOs.

Each month, we're going to take a look in here.

So let's bring in our panel of course from element one point fifteen on our YouTube channel.

We have Lee Strauss who will be joining us as Lee joins us for the Q and A usually each and every week, the Wizard Josh Rutledge is here hanging on out.

He is with Moufon and Arizona as well.

Also with Mouffon, we call him the Beard of Knowledge because this guy has a mustache and a beard to die for, really does.

Shane Hurd is here.

Literally, I will say this, and I said it last night on the show.

Josh could attest to this.

Shane Hurd literally one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.

He's one of them good humans, you know what I'm saying.

It's one of those good humans.

And of course we can't do this show without, in my opinion, one of the top ufologists going right now.

She has been a guest on this show numerous times throughout the year.

She used to do the UFO Report but got way too busy in her own studies, and she is just incredible with what she does to help move the disclosure ball forward.

Courtney Marcussni is here and I want to say a big thank you to everybody.

Merry Christmas, Happy do Year, Happy Holidays, whatever you guys bring forward.

We appreciate you coming on in and doing this with us, so thank you very much.

Twenty twenty five, Where did it go?

And Shane, it's been a long time since you've been on Spaced Out Radio.

I haven't talked to you in about six seven months, so I'm going to start with you tonight, my friend, where did twenty twenty five go?

Here?

When it comes to UFOs, My man.

It's been crazy.

It's been a foot race.

I mean, stuff just keeps happening, thing after thing, or at least a lot of people talking about things happening.

You know, you see it all over social media, TV, the news, so.

It's a hot topic right now.

And with what we're seeing in the government, you know, it's movement.

I've got certain feelings.

I'm sure we'll I'll talk about that later, but yeah, twenty twenty five has been hopping.

Courtney.

It's been a couple months since you've been on the show.

But I always I gotta be honest with you.

It always makes me smile when you come on.

It really does, because I think you're one of the most brilliant minds in this field.

I'm gonna get you on.

Mute your mic, and thank you very much for being here for this show tonight.

Thanks Dave, thanks for having me back.

It's always a pleasure to be back on the SR stage.

And my kitty here, my rescue kitty is here tonight.

And last time I was on the show, everybody said she was an alien, so and Dirty Filth said that I was out feeding the cats and feeding the alien sauces of milk, which really cracked me up.

So I'm happy to be back.

Thanks for having me.

I'm really looking forward to being with the panelist tonight.

I think it's going to be a great night.

And of course the Wizard Josh Rutledge hanging on out with us and literally who's become a staple in the UFO report here doing a great job twice a week with us on the show.

Thank you, Josh, and I got to give you credit.

You were like Shane and I were talking.

We got to do a panel show at the end of the year on UFO.

So this is your bright idea, my friend.

Well, you know, everybody gets it.

The even a broken clock is right, you know, two times a day.

So you know, I'm due for one or two good ideas a year, I think.

So maybe at the beginning of twenty twenty six I'll have a good idea, and then you know, I'll just have to wait till the end of twenty twenty six to have a good idea.

And of course, last but not least, from Element one point fifteen on our YouTube channel, he is one of the good guys in the field.

Tip of the cap to Lee Strauss.

How you doing, my friend?

Excellent, man, excellent.

I'm just happy to be part of this.

He's a man of many words, as you heard right there, man of many many words.

Let's kick things off with Jay anyway here, guys, because the year started off a little bit slow, and everybody was a little bit tense on what's going to happen?

When is the ball going to trop And then all of a sudden there was seemed to be some friction in Washington, DC Courtney about public interest in UFOs UAP.

The drones were still a big story going into this.

People were wondering, what's happening in New Jersey.

Are they ours?

Are they aliens?

Are they some adversaries?

It was a big story to start the year.

It absolutely was.

And there was all the fallout from the FAA drone issue.

If you remember in November in New Jersey, there was so much mystery and so much worry and concern, and so much coverage of all of it, and so leading into January, we're still dealing with a lot of that fallout, and not only that, the big question around the FAA issue, and I think we've seen that kind of spill over into more legislation and even the I was looking at my notes preparing for this the last couple of days, and even Jillibrand saying in the public uap uas drones are being used interchangeably sometimes some now in Congress.

So I think that's an important thing for people to keep in mind, is that there's still a lot of confusion about what those terms in the acron acronyms mean, and people that are in the AUFO world know, you know, the differences, but it's something to pay attention to.

In twenty twenty six.

I thought that there was a lot of tension going in to twenty twenty five, you know, we had the drone flap going on from the United States presidential election on forward.

I had sources telling me, don't worry, it's all of ours.

We are doing this because there's a potential threat leading up to the inauguration, and we cannot put the drones up during the day because the sun's radiation will screw things up, and we're looking for potentially a dirty weapon of some sort.

I mean, the drone flap, Shane was one of the big ones that we were all talking about to start off the year, and there were so many people believing that this was all UFOs.

And this is a confusing part for a lot of people when we get into UFO versus uap okay is is they lump everything kind of together?

And what was your thoughts going into that?

Yeah, I thought it was.

As you said, the terminology was confusing.

Of course, the events themselves and you know what all the eyewitnesses saw, It seems like there was a mix of things.

I don't know, you know, how you can prove or disprove you know, what was out there, but there certainly indicators when you look at you know, the distances and they're coming from the ocean, and they're just a lot there's a lot of information.

Like with any investigation, it's really tough to sift through, but you know, it can be done.

And I thought that that that event was kind of a product of, like you said, the tension that that's been building with this whole thing, and the fact that they they seem to almost use it as a This almost seemed like a test to me.

I don't know, but they you know, rolled out u aps ua vs.

You know, drones whatever.

But it just seemed to sew a lot of confusion and and you know, muddy the waters, which I think terminology has always been an issue for us and actually throughout human history, Right, what do you call them?

You whatever you're seeing in the sky.

You use terms that you know, you can get your head around, terms that applied to you and your day and that sort of thing.

And so that that use of terminology creates a lot of confusion.

But some people use that to their advantage, or the government will use that to their advantage to.

Let's let's have it both ways kind of a thing.

And I'm I'm nostalgic for UFO.

I use that term a lot depends on the audience I'm speaking to.

But you know, I'm very supportive of u AP because I think it's more descriptive.

It's a larger umbrella that represents more what people are seeing and reporting.

But you know, there's some games going on with it too, So just as always, you got.

To multi source everything.

You know, it's hard to believe anything, and you know your best bet is, yeah, multi source it.

Source source it from people that you trust, all of those things.

But you know, everyone's BS meter should be on high all the time, especially when we're dealing with you know, the do D, the Navy, the government in general, Congress, everybody has an agenda and you just have to be aware of that.

I think January for you the Wizard, just thinking about you know, the the entire drone flap and and the the the talk around I wanted to say Parliament Hill, but that's up here, okay, talk around around the you know Washington DC area.

Was that people was like, what's going on?

That like even the politicians didn't even seem to know what was going on.

Yeah, I mean it was, uh, it was pretty intense.

I think for a long time, you know, the FBI in the northeastern area got involved.

They didn't know what was going on.

You know.

The one thing that I will say, I do think that there was probably some anomalous activity that did occur, But I also think that there was a lot of misidentification that occurred as well.

I think that people who normally probably got out of their cars at night and looked down at their phone from their car to their front door, all of a sudden, they were hearing it in the news, and they started looking up, and they were seeing things in the night sky that they didn't recognize because they're just they're not usually looking up, and so they were reporting a lot of things that were probably you know, airplanes or legitimate drone sidings.

But I do think some of the things that were reported, like Shane mentioned, that went from you know that that that came in from over the ocean, flew around a little bit, and then returned back to over the ocean.

You know, it's it's harder to explain or defend those things as being something that's prosaic.

Some of the things that were in the sky for a long period of time, you know, exceeding what we understand, uh the current battery capabilities to be on some of the larger drone aircraft.

Again harder to h to explain from a prosaic explanation.

So I think all of that and UH and the kind of general you know, kind of feeling and uh concern maybe around how the elections was we're going to go in the US, UH, and the and the uh you know, the changeover of power and all that kind of stuff probably just put people, you know, generally on edge and a little heightened alertness, if you will, because if you recall, there was actually also a lot of speculation that, uh, what people were seeing were a part of the filming that Steven Spielberg was doing for his new movie.

So it was just there was a lot of speculation across the board U on the topic, but to my knowledge, no one, I mean, I think the only one, the only company that has come forward and said it was US was a company that just a couple of months ago released some sort of of a training or a marketing video of them flying their their vetoll, their personal vetoll, you know, kind of drone type copter system and saying that all of the drone setings were them.

Well, in my mind, that's a lot like the guys in the nineties that claimed that all the crop circles were them.

It's really hard to claim owner ownership for something where the potential actual perpetrator is less likely to come forward and say, no, you're wrong.

I'm the one who broke the law.

Illegal, you know, did all these things and flew all these drones around all these sensitive sits.

So you know, the thing I think for me is if that company is the one who did it, have charges been brought because if not, then that means the people in power also don't think that this company was the one responsible for a lot of the drone site.

But you know, there always needs to be a scapegoat.

My friend Courtney hop on in.

I just wanted to say around that that same time, when people were doing like debriefs about the drones and things, there was a couple of hypotheses that were put out that also kind of increased the intensity in the paranoia.

I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but this was one of the prevailing theories that there was a ship out in the Atlantic and they were, you know, bringing these drones in from out from the ocean and they were hitting you know, the coastline.

And then there was another report and that was supposed to be Iranian, and that even came from some of the offices, the press offices is some of the Congress people, so that was confusing.

Then there was a report done, I think it was around January February, that it was Russians, that there were Russian it was a Russian incursion.

And so I just wanted to add those couple of things as I was listening to Josh speak, because I remember the press that was coming out at the time also very confusing these different hypotheses.

Lee Strauss, let's bring you in for your thoughts.

Going back to January and the drone issue.

I was super excited.

You know, things have been said that maybe Trump would release some of the UFO stuff, UFO files, and that I was really looking forward to that.

And then of course the drone thing happened, and at first everybody's like, I don't know what it is.

I don't know what's going on until they could think up of a narrative to give everybody right.

So of course it's always going to be a threat narrative.

We need more of this and we need more of that.

We still don't know what exactly they are, which is just asinine to me.

Of course, they're using the normal drones or drones that the Navy has or whoever DD has to cover up something else that's being seen in the sky.

They got a masket.

They don't want everybody looking at that stuff asking questions.

So that's that's what I think.

All Right, We're going to move into the month of February now, as we got six minutes with our great panel of Shane Hurd, Josh Routledge, Courtney Marcasani, and Lee Strauss tonight on Spaced Out Radio, and let me tell you February North of the Border, we finally made some news here because the Sky Canada project was finally released.

It came out six seven months late, and there was some turmoil on that because doctor Mona Niemer, who was the head scientist or is the head scientist in Canada, she found it very frustrating that Canada's alphabet agencies were withholding information from their report.

Here's the interesting part about it, though, that I found and I was glad that it came out.

They said there is something going on.

They weren't sure what it was, but they're about seven eight years behind where the United States is.

Okay, seven eight years ago if we go back in time, as we all celebrate, you know, each time around this time of the year, we celebrate the New York Times article like its biblical prophecy right in twenty seventeen.

But they went strictly nuts and bolts.

It was all nuts and bolts.

They didn't want to get into anything potential wu of ET contact, UFO landings or anything like that.

They wanted to keep it strictly nuts and bolts, much like what we heard in twenty seventeen South of the Border.

Courtney, I want to start with you on this one.

Your thoughts on this, because I know you and I talked pretty heavily about it.

Yeah.

Well, I think that was like a groundbreaking thing for Canada.

I saw in twenty twenty three the lead up to this, when Larry Maguire came to the Soul Conference.

He talked off the record a little bit.

He wasn't on the on the Q on Nan some of this, but he did say that he was working in Canada and there had been a memo leagued.

You were aware of some of that when that was happening in Canada at the time, and so I think that this report finally coming out was the confirmation a lot of those early, you know, cross diplomatic with the US and the Canadian effort for disclosure.

But I think it went out with more of a whimper rather than a bang in Canada because we heard all this scuttle about Mundanimur having granted access to start working on this report several years ago.

So I think it was a little like water down or disappointing for some people that wanted it to be a lot more robust and following American efforts with disclosure.

But have you as you've seen with the American efforts, we have our own problems, and I think it's good that Canada came out with this report.

I do remember when Larry maguire was talking about going into Congress, Canada and the US have this like inter parliamentary trips where they go down to Congress and they share information with the US, and he said that that was something to watch in the future for these diplomatic relations between the US and Canada on the UAP issue specifically.

So I think it was great the report came out finally but I think people were once again kind of disappointed on not having like a full disclosure coverage through Canada that would have been really nice.

For us in the UFO world.

It was disappointing.

But I'll tell you this story did not make waves in Canada.

The mainstream media barely covered it, you know, as they do with all this.

And it's not that it's being deflected.

There isn't government agents in newsrooms in Canada saying don't run that.

It's not how it works.

I will tell you the true story behind what happened here and then you guys could comment in on Justin Trudeau.

Not to get political, but Justin Trudeau was taking a lot of heat near the end of his tenure as Prime minister.

He stepped aside and there was a leadership race going on before the last election, and a gentleman named Mark Carney came in and took the Liberal Party and eventually won an election a minority government in Canada, which we have right now now.

Larry McGuire also retired before that election.

And there hasn't in my sources that I've talked to in Ottawa, there hasn't been anybody who's wanting to pick up that ball right now.

There are too many different issues going on in Canada, whether it's oil and gas in Alberta, or mining or immigration is a huge topic around here right now, as it is all around the world, know, Russia, Ukraine.

I mean, it's the same problems.

The economy Canada is the worst of the G seven, so there's a lot of personal turmoil going on in Canada right now.

Where UFOs probably went from the fiftieth most important topic back down to about the four thousandth most important topic that we are going to get to, and we got about a minute left, Lee, I want to get your opinion on that.

Well.

I remember when this happened, Dave and I think we talked about it briefly.

But the situation was as they came out after they had spent eight years or something like that investigating UAP up there in Canada as they call it UAP, and there had been no this discernible or anything that was definitive about about it other than they needed to go back and study it further.

I would agree with that, would agree with that, and Shane and Josh the Wizard, we're gonna get your opinions on what happened in February and Canada on the UFO subject with Sky Canada being released.

But first we do have to go to break here on spaced Out Radio because the radio guys say, hey, it's time to play some ads.

So that's what we need to do.

Here on spaced Out Radio.

We got a great panel, the Wizard Josh Rutledge, Lee Straus from Element one point fifteen, Courtney Marcasani, one of the best UFO reporters out there, and the Beard of Knowledge Shane heard here on spaced Out Radio.

Stay tuned, everybody, all right, we are clear.

Good start, guys, good start.

Yeah you're here.

Lee.

Are all those candles behind you battery?

Or do you are they all lit?

Those are all battery?

Okay?

Lee has the greatest studio ever.

I get it.

I'm gonna make it big.

Here for a second, move your head, buddy, we like get out of the way.

Like look at that.

Oh awesome?

Yeah?

Yeah sweet?

Where's the moving Ouija board?

Uh?

The Ouiji board that's kind of down.

One Yeah, but don't I thought it was moving prior.

Yeah, it will move if I if I turn it on, but I don't have it turned on right now.

He literally built a remote control wija board that goes around with the plant chet moving.

Pretty cool.

Yeah, I'm surprised you haven't put a big poster of Tammy up there yet instead of Element one P.

Fifteen.

She's watching, I know she is.

She even said hi to me, she recognized me.

She acknowledged me.

Joanne Stewart over on Facebook.

I am from Central British Columbia.

I know you were in Quebec.

All right, thank you for tuning us in and thank you for being a part of this show on social media.

Welcome to soo Are.

Here's a real fire for you, Josh.

And I started myself, but it's going down.

You can see the embers.

Oh oh nice.

It was a negative eight up here in Alaska today and Anchorage anyway, so that's not too bad.

Yeah, it was.

It was freezing here this morning.

When I got up, I had to put on my long socks.

Freezing means it was forty three.

Oh my god, Courtney and I will agree on this.

This is that's T shirt weather.

Yeah, I'm wearing my hoodie.

It's fifty three out right now and seventy three in my house, and I got my hoodie on.

Because I'm cool.

Oh my goodness, those are people you know?

Yeah, request Oh there's there's stets in Lee happening.

Got the hat getting serious now?

Yep, the UFO cowboy himself.

Wasn't that a movie?

Space Cowboys?

Space Cowboys?

Yeah?

Mel wanted to see it.

So there you are, Mel, that's just for you.

Uh huh.

H Yeah.

I still haven't put my Christmas tree.

Hm.

It's going up tomorrow.

Oh, I'm so bad.

It's all haven't even connected by Christmas lights yet.

I'm so behind this year.

It's usually me every year, but this year I actually had mine up before Thanksgiving because I had an opportunity.

I put it up.

I was like, who cares?

You know, at least I won't forget it and do it.

The week of mm hm hmm.

Get those words out of your face there, Shane, because everybody needs to admire that beard and mustache.

Oh god, that's Oh look at look at that people, Look at that.

God, it doesn't get much better than that in life.

No, look at too close at my face.

I'll break the camera.

M You're gonna come back to Vegas with Josh?

Yeah, nice, Lee's gonna be there.

We're we're gonna force Courtney to come.

I might be there.

Yeah, I was thinking about coming this time.

Yep.

Jim Goodall will be there.

I don't know who else.

Usually Melinda Leslie and uh Lorian Fenton show up because they they they want to go play baccarat, so they figure it's a good coming to see us.

Is a good excuse for the twelve minutes.

We'll see them all weekend because they'll be at the baccarat table.

If you ever want to find them, just go to the bacarat table.

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We are into the month of February and Shane Hurd, Josh Rutledge, I want to bring you guys in here because up north in Canada, we actually had the Sky Canada Project talking about these UAP interactions with aircraft, military commercial lights being seen over the territories and the northern parts of the provinces.

Because everybody like literally ninety percent of Canada's population lives within one hundred miles.

Where are we doing kilometers here?

Kilometers okay, from the United States border up north though where I live in many other polar bears, okay, they see a lot more in the sky.

So, Josh, what was your reaction to the sky Canada?

Well, I thought there was two very interesting data points that came out of the report.

Despite your feelings about you know, did it you know, did the report push the envelope or not in Canada?

I thought two data points were very interesting.

Number one is that only ten percent of the people surveyed believe that UAPs are extraterrestrial, which, you know, it makes me wonder, or rather, you know, give input to the survey the survey conductors.

You know, a lot of people think that the UAPs or UFOs whichever word you want to use, may be spiritual in nature.

So I wonder if they were to adjust their polling to use you know, do you believe UAPs are spiritual?

I wonder how many people would have said yes to that.

The second piece is about a quarter of the population has had some sort of UFO or unidentified object experience in their lifetime.

I thought that was pretty significant because you know, I don't know, I don't know that anybody has done a similar survey for the US to really find out how many people in the US have will will go.

You know, I guess unofficially on a record and say, yeah, I've seen something.

But I also think that it was I also agree though that it was it was a little bit of a letdown to just generally that they, like Lee said, we don't know.

We almost like it was a money grab to try to get more money to do more investigation.

You know, they they dangled a little bit of information but said, if you really want to know more, when we need more money.

And that's really what the US Task for US did when they first hit the scene too, So I can't really blame him for mirroring what their counterparts to the south are doing as well.

I can tell you where I was disappointed in that as a Canadian and as a UFO person, it was they took a lot of their knowledge from NASA.

NASA has been the biggest cover up in this subject.

That if the mainstream media in the US actually knew how much BS that NASA is throwing at this subject to the world and if the media cared, they would be going right after NASA.

I'm surprised Ross Coulthard has never gone after NASA or George Knapp has never gone after NASA.

Where are these media heavyweights in our community, Shane that haven't done that.

We'll get to that.

That's a whole different show right there.

But Shane heard Beard of Knowledge your thought.

It's on the Sky Canada report.

Well, I thought Josh covered the points I had in mind.

I think it's reasonable to see them mirror the US's effort, and that the first thing is going to be a little bit of a splash to test the waters.

I think it's definitely you know, this is.

A it's still a political effort, really, I mean it's a multi level right, it's scientific effort.

Probably is a social or cultural effort.

But but you know, and you got to have money money for that, and so it's actually a fairly predictable to me pattern that you know, you start out, you got to pose it as a threat to get attention.

Then but you can't let it be too threatening because then.

People panic and then you know, hey, there's something there, there's a there there.

We need but we need to study it more and you can just see how the things ask lady, it's like the US has done, and you know, I think that that's going to be a similar experience for you guys.

But at some point, you know, you got to wonder when people will you know, no longer accept the little shell game that's being played here and really demands something the other thing.

I think, and I apologize for cutting you off, but I think you bring up a good point with that shell game.

I think the US controls this within NATO, within NORRAD, within the Five Eyes.

I think they have full control over what canon cannot be said.

And when doctor Ramona Niemer, who doesn't play that game, literally called out the agencies in Canada from the RCMP to CEASIS, to nav Canada, Transport Canada and so many others, the Department of National Defense, I think that she got her first taste of when the US says we're not talking about it, we're not talking about it.

We'll talk behind closed doors, off the record, skiff this, but we're not talking about it publicly.

I think she got her first taste of that.

Yes, Cordy, Yeah, did you guys see just this is a good segue, just quickly.

Did you guys see the updates to the NDAA where it talks about this, where it talks about reporting and it talks about the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

Did you see that updated language?

I have missed that.

Okay, well, I just wanted to bring all of your attention to it.

I'll send it to you, Dave, and so you have it, and it's for the future.

But it kind of ties into what you're saying about reporting.

Makes sense, makes a lot of sense.

Let's head over to March where The Age of Disclosure premiered.

It's South By Southwest.

Dan Ferris documentary, now released on Amazon, featured interviews with thirty four different military and government officials, claiming the decades long cover up of evidence was absolutely massive and it was time to talk about it now.

I can say this.

I have not seen it yet.

It's just literally coming out on Amazon Canada, because you know, we do everything backwards here.

You know, if you guys get something, we got to wait in time, you know, so you guys live in the future.

This was a big story because everybody was wondering, Josh, who's who, Who's playing in this?

What's happening your thoughts.

Yeah, it's the same, you know exactly.

We didn't know who the thirty four people that were going to go on record were.

We suspected based on some of the information that was out that it was going to be a lot of the same people that had already kind of gone on record UAP hearings and things like that.

But were they going to have additional people included in the documentary?

You know, I for one, was opening they would.

Include people that Lou referenced in his book that could maybe give you know, credibility or reinforce some of the things that Lou said, like like what's the guy's name?

Uh?

J J.

Stratton.

Uh.

You know, Lou talked about Jay Stratton a lot in his book.

I was rather sad that, you know, Jay Stratton didn't go on record to support Lou in his in his you know, discussions and details.

So it's nicer, you know, uh to potentially see that in the documentary.

Also, sorry, we had to backtrack real quick to February, just real quick, because something significant did happen in February we didn't talk about, and that's the establishment of the House Oversight Committee, led by Representative Luna for the declassification of government details.

So I feel a missed if we don't mention that because it has significance throughout the rest.

Of the year.

Or is Dave likes to call the the conspiracy Club, Lee Strauss.

Let's get your opinion.

You know, I this was supposed to be like the end All beat All documentary of this year, and there was so much hype around it.

And to tell you.

The truth, I have not watched it yet, so I can't give you an honest opinion, which I'm sorry about, but I can't at this time.

All I remember is that, and all I know is that it was supposed to be the end all beat All, and I don't know if that's the case, because here we're still sitting here all right now, I'm just arguing about it and discussing it.

Well, let's get back to the comment that Josh has made about anapolinea Luna's group that is supposed to be tearing down these conspiracies.

Now your thoughts, well, you know, that's that's fine and dandy, where you've got people coming out and they're pushing that envelope, of course.

Right, But.

Unless unless Trump or somebody you know is is willing to come out with him and say this is happening, and this is this, this is uh, you know, this is something that's real, this is not a joke, then nobody's gonna believe it.

Right And even then at that point in time, if if if all heck breaks loose and that does happen, that pipe dream happens, there's going to be a lot of people that don't want to believe it and and and don't have it in there in their mindset to understand or or want to even bring that into their own paradigm.

Very true, Shane, your your appreciation for south By Southwest.

I know this was a movie you were looking forward to.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I did see it, and my impression, I think it was really well done.

It was appropriate for the audience and the message that they were trying to get out.

So I've heard some people saying, well, we didn't learn anything new.

So again, it wasn't designed for you know, people in eufology.

It was designed to address everyone else.

I think that the weight of who was saying these things those thirty four and as directly as they were saying these things impressed me.

So they were they weren't speaking politician.

They weren't you know, qualifying their words.

They weren't you know, pussy footing around.

They just looked, were straight up to the camera and stead aliens are real, they're here.

And thirty four individuals got that message across.

So I thought it was effective from that standpoint in terms of learning new things.

I actually I made notes and I had about ten things that I wrote down that either was new to me or was conformation of things that we we've all heard.

But this was.

We're losing Shane a little bit here.

Just came across classes.

You know, I'll just give you one example.

I don't want to spoil, but they came out and and byoligics and that's really just one of of ten things that struck me.

The other one I'll just say is they used the term the Legacy program.

I'd never really heard it as a title.

When you you know, you might once in a while hear about legacy UFO investigation programs.

You might imagine that to be a TIP or all all SAP or whatever it was.

So but this was the program.

They actually all used it as a title as a name for it.

And I don't know if it was just they decided to in this movie, or if it's been out there, But that struck me as too as something different and interesting.

So again that's my assessment.

It was it was directed as a certain group, and I think it probably effectively hit that group.

And I've already spoken to you.

Know, people at work, and you know, I work with you know, engineers and you know, highly educated to people and professionals, and and they're aware of my activity in this this field, and they're very interested and ask a lot of questions.

And so we've had conversations.

About that movie, and and you know, I was pleased with what I was hearing from these folks who not into it, into the topic, but they got the seriousness of it.

And the only other qualifier I'll throw out there is again they they they speak of this in terms of the threat, However they never really describe the threat.

And what they're doing is they're playing that political game.

Threat equals money, threat equals attention, threat equals action.

Yep, And that's why they're saying these things.

Now.

However, we all know they've been toying with us for eighty years and and to our knowledge, it's not been particularly hostile.

So I just have you know, I get the threat narrative, but I also understand there's another side to it, that there's way more to this than.

That simple thing.

But that's what sells right now, and that's how they have to do it.

I think you hit the nail on the head right there, Shane.

It is a political game.

We've been saying that for a long time.

Threat narratives equal budgets and not million dollar budgets, billion dollar budgets, and yet here we talk about this as the latest you know, uap money grab in the in the defense budget gets scrapped once again, you know, for the thirty year to row.

Courtney, I want to get your final words on this topic, and you know, in regards to everything that's kind of going on here with this story about south By Southwest and you know, a lot of people I'm going to change it up though, and I want to get your opinion.

A lot of people will say in the UFO community, this didn't move the ball forward, and Josh Routledge and I have talked about this so of Lee and I on the show.

A lot of people will say it didn't move the ball forward enough.

It's the same stories from the same people that we've been hearing a lot about since twenty seventeen, and their goal is to try and say, well, this movie isn't for UFOLOGY, it's for the people who don't know about this that we're bringing attention to it.

We've been hearing that in every documentary and everything for the last eight years.

When do we go from level one to level two?

Because it seems like we're still moving on level one courting.

I understand everybody's frustration.

Who is a UFO researcher?

You know.

I went to the south By south West premiere.

I got to see it, I got to see the thirty four.

I wrote copious notes of the whole thing, you know, quotations and what was discussed, and I didn't put it all out because I didn't want to be a spoiler.

But you know, so I was kind of treading that line of seeing the whole thing before it eventually came out, but also saying this is the money shot.

And I think the money shot was when you saw all these people talk about how the legacy programs are run and how they are actually compartmentalized for the non initiated person because that's really what people have been studying and looking into.

And everybody has their own specialty area.

But when you look at the legacy programs being introduced to the general public, they broke down the CIA.

You heard Jay Stratton say, all these different departments have their own special forces right, their own special operations for crash retrievals and things.

So it was really great in that way as an education tool because it just condensed years and years of study for some people into one project where people who are really discerning can follow the trail see how it all works.

Now that being said, I do think that it was a threat narrative.

I just saw that Danny Shean and then PI put out a statement, a formal statement about the threat narrative.

I thought it was very well done on balance saying, yes, this is obviously the reality, but with it being so catastrophic by them and their language, we need to kind of balance that with this other side of things that's not threat related.

So I thought NPI actually did a very good public statement about age disclosure.

I also think the other thing that is important about the project is that it was done in tandem with the program, with James Fox's program and so, like Shane said, you hear these experts saying the NHI exists over and over and over again, and it's kind of like it's kind of like their formula, you know, for introducing the hard heavy topics by saying this is real, this is real, this is real, over and over and over again.

Threw both through both movie projects but the mainstream media.

When I was there at south By South Southwest, the criticism was overwhelmingly negative.

Like, you guys expect us to believe that there is this eighty year cover up.

We don't believe it, not without some proof.

So I think that at the end, you know, we need more cowbell, We need more proof.

We need more than just people saying something to convince other people outside of this sphere that there's something there.

There's a there there.

I would agree with you on that.

I mean it.

This documentary sent the proof and evidence crowd, absolutely Haywire, you know, and until that crowd realizes that they're not playing with you or me or anything who's getting a video on a phone.

They're dealing with the United States government, They're dealing with US agencies, they're dealing with the military.

That is not going to give up anything.

There's stuff flying out at Area fifty one that is allegedly eighty to one hundred years ahead in technology, and they're not showing us.

They're not doing that.

They hold their secrets, Shane, They're not going to give up anything.

Why do we keep pushing for evidence and proof when the only proof we have in this phenomena is actual eyewitness testimony.

Yeah, that's always my pet, Peeve Dave, is that you know, this is always going to be in the realm of ambiguity until they trot out in alien.

That's the bottom line.

It's just it lives in obscurity and it's so frus strading.

And when I said, you know, oh, we're tired of them pussy footing around, you know, reports and videos and okay, all right, we've been here in that eighty years.

Just bring them out.

Let's do it, let's get let's let's get this thing done.

But we're not there yet.

It's not going to happen yet.

And first one I think is legal immunity for people involved with these legacy programs before you start pry and loose the stuff.

But the the one thing that we all have to kind of keep in the back of our mind, though, is that at any time they could decide when to disclose.

You know, people are calling that catastrophic disclosure.

It could go down that way.

And if you know, if if they run out of patience or the timeline is exceeded of the plan, whatever that might be, I don't know, you know.

They could they could step in.

So I don't know what to think.

I'm hoping in my lifetime we get we get proof because as good as the documentary is, and I think it's good and it's very believable, and I believe those people, it's not enough.

You're gonna have to have the proof and we just can't dodge that.

It's just got to happen.

So all this other stuff to me now, I'm just kind of sitting back and going, yeah, I'm more theater.

Great, get it out of your system, but bring out the real stuff or you know.

I mean, I'm not gonna lose my attention on it.

I love this topic, but I just see it a little bit differently.

I feel like we're getting worked in a game, and I understand it, and I understand why, but there will have to be a point where this won't work anymore, and you will have to got through all your issues and that they'll have to get their heads around everything, and then we.

Got to just do it.

Rip off the bandid.

I will say this before we go to break here at the top of the hour, I remember Steve Bassett on this show a number of years ago, prior to twenty seventeen, saying, and he called me David, and I don't usually allow people to call me David.

That's my family turn and he went, you know, David, I'm paraphrasing here, you know, David, He goes, All we need is one person to come out.

It's going to blow this story wide open.

We just need one person.

Well, now we've had about six hundred and fifty eight and guess what, it's still happening.

That isn't a shot at Steve Bassett.

That's just how locked down this subject is.

Courtney Marcusani, the Wizard, Lee Strauss, and the Beard of Knowledge.

Shane Hurd coming back for hour two.

We're heading to April.

This is faced Own Radio with Hopes Dame Scott.

All right, people, we are clear.

We got about five and a half minutes.

This is a great start, guys, great start.

Thank you Lee, you can breathe.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, big sigh mm hmm, cod you mass.

It is like the Eternal Optimist.

When you ever hear eternal Optimist, you can think of Steve in your mind, because.

That's that's why he's the nicest guy in upology.

I don't know what to call the nicest guy in upology or the Beard of Knowledge.

I don't know what to do.

I'm so confused.

Yeah, you gotta be that every obvioust.

He had to be out.

There just banging and banging and banging with doors slammed in his face.

He's a persistent guy.

He's made up of cheeks.

He's turned him so many times.

He's just one big tough cheek.

Yeah, I love you, Steve.

Don't be offended.

Yeah, everything is said in a good, good humor.

So so I hope.

When we come back we don't move off of March too quickly.

Because the buga Spear came out in March, the video.

I know, I have so much on March too.

I agree.

March was a hot month.

Josh was March also when there were folks in Congress with Chris Bledsoe and they all saw UFOs around the Capitol when they were in DC together, because I think it was around that time.

That's how Yeah, it happened in March, but it really didn't come forward.

It wasn't really talked about until after the UAP hearing that happened later on in the summer.

But yeah, right, it happened in March.

I associate those two in my mind as well, so I'm glad you do too.

But I think it was March.

I was going to do a check, but then I thought, no, it's not worth I.

Think it is because I remember some of the videos that I've seen, like people are kind of bundled up and it was still kind of cool outside in the Capitol.

Yeah, yeah, that was a big deal.

I also think that that whistleblower came out, the new one that went on Vinnie's Disclosure Tonight program.

He was being talked about at that time as coming out.

Do you remember that it might have been in March or maybe later.

Matthew Brown was that it.

No, it was the guy right before Matthew Brown, right before before Matthew Brown came out on Weaponize, there was another guy and he came out on Disclosure Tonight and not Disclosure tonight.

What's Finney's podcast?

Disclosure?

It's Finny Adams's podcast.

I don't want to mess up the name Disclosure tonight is Thomas Sessler.

He came out he was somebody who talked about uh, you know, like things he had seen on a database, very similar to Matthew Brown.

But it wasn't Matthew Brown.

It was a different guy.

Maybe you guys didn't see his testimony, but I thought it came out.

But there was another whistleblower though, who just it was really short and sweet.

I'm trying to it's probably that guy.

It was probably I think.

I think that's probably who you're thinking of.

Was he associated with like any of Barber's guys, psionic folks or anything like that, or was he.

Didn't talk about psionic stuff.

Nope.

He talked about seeing videos and seeing information on like a secure server that he was on that he had access to for his job.

And he was anonymous.

He never came out and said what his name was.

Some of this figure out who he was.

I think that.

One.

I'll get it for you, guys, I'll send it to you.

There was another one that came out today too, on redacted with Clayton Morris Air Force paratrooper.

Yep, no, excuse me, US Army air trooper.

His name is Kevin de met Nope, that's not his name.

Sorry.

I heard there was two more people coming out out soon.

They didn't mention his name in this, uh this right up here, but I saw part of it today.

We got about a minute to go here, guys.

Okay, Shane, you can work that mustache anytime.

Man.

That is, I didn't really pretty it up.

I could have done the whole twirl.

Thing and got it really going, but yeah, all.

Right, Rumpule, how you doing?

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Now, in March, we heard about the Boogas sphere that came out.

It was very public.

The story really bled into April, and Josh, I want to start with you on this one, because you know a lot of people were going harry over this metallic looking sphere that didn't seem to have any rivets, didn't seem to have any seams.

And here we are.

Yeah, And honestly, I'm still kind of on the fence as to what it is because and I really I go back to a couple of things.

One, Russ Coulthart did an interview when he was first getting into this topic, even before he was doing stuff with News Nation, and he interviewed a guy who talked about the Earth being covered in like a grid of spherical drones that are here to keep out the bad aliens, that let the good aliens in, so that predates the buga spear.

And then I also have a friend who lives in midtown here in Phoenix and he sees metallic spheres high up in the up of the atmosphere from his condo and has sent me numerous videos and pictures and things that I've analyzed over the last probably two years, and so those two things coupled with the Buga sphere.

Even though it is controversial because of the person who's in Mexico who is involved with the case, there's just there's a part of me who's like, maybe you know, I mean, I just you know, there's there's interesting symbols on it.

The the etching on the side though, looks like it was done either a a long time ago and it's just you know, kind of deteriorated over time, or b it was done by somebody who's not very good at working with you know, soldering irons or something that that they etched it into this to the sphere.

It's just it's very controversial, but still part of me is like, maybe maybe maybe it's legitimate.

Maybe we should give it, give them the benefit of the doubt and let people do some real investigation and you know, cut this thing open and see what's insign and all that kind of stuff.

But I think at the end of the day, because it's so controversial, if they were to do any of that and produce their results, people, you know, half the half the folks would be like, this is all AI generated and the other half of the folks would be like, yes, this is it.

See, I've been telling you for years.

So it still comes down to the whether or not you believe, or whether or not you're willing to accept that there may be things going on that are beyond your whatever your personal theory is about what this stuff is lee strous.

Let's talk about the bugosphere.

Bugas fear is.

Engraved horribly.

It looks like a child engraved it to me.

If you look at crop circles, those are so finite.

The detail is amazing.

You know, this story reminds me of the Bets Mystery Sphere back in nineteen seventy four, where an eight inch eight inch round sphere metal sphere twenty two pounds was found.

It's very familiar this this sort of thing.

You know.

I've seen these sorts of things on the internet.

I think I've even caught one in the sky with with my camera, but I can't be sure that's exactly what I've captured, of course, without looking at it up close in my hands.

But it seems to me like we've seen these things before.

This one, however, the bugis sphere, you know.

You know what I say, about it.

It's the bogus sphere, that's my opinion.

Shane, your thoughts on the bogosphere or boga sphere say, Oops.

Yeah, I kind of echoing what both those guys are saying.

Uh, it's interesting.

The the only thing that's interesting for me is the video of it when it comes close to that electrical wire and then it drops down to the ground.

If if that's real video, you know, and it's it happened that way that that is, I'm not sure how you can explain the movement of that that metallic sphere.

Otherwise.

So that makes me, you know, I'll give them some some potential that that that's anomalous.

But I also have lived through a couple of the experiences with the person who is involved with this, and and that those were proven hoaxes, and so that makes me very very leary of it.

But you know, as a move one investigator and you you analyze a lot of video and photos, that little clip of video does interest me.

But I don't have my hands on the original and so forth.

So it's just it's one of those stories out there.

Courtney, you get the final word.

I like what Josh said, once again, we're kind of have the mutual wayback machine on this because Ross did cover this.

We were in actually Fight Club when he was covering the Metal Ball down in Texas.

It was down in Texas, and Josh, you're talking about Patrick Patrick Jackson's work.

That book that he wrote about was what he was pushing at the time when he was talking about the orbs and this sphear network.

And it's interesting because it's kind of crossing over into Beatrice's work a little bit where they're talking about these spheres and satellites that are way way way from you know, way back when, and her paper maybe some lending some credibility to all this.

So some of it's being realized right now with her paper and nature and all that.

But in terms of the Buga spheres, there was a report.

There was a report that was none synthesizing and doing analysis on the metals, and it came out of a U.

N.

A.

M.

You know, one of the big colleges down there, and that is really I think where a lot of the contention came in is once the paper was put out, it was all in Spanish, of course, so all the American researchers didn't read it.

A couple people and one metal are just did translate it, and he did kind of pick apart some of the actual science within the report that said this can be put to rest now.

But the problem was there was this huge out you know, outburst and backlashed by the Mexican scientists who are studying it.

So I don't know.

I haven't read the report, but if I do read it, that's where I'm going to be looking in around the meta and the metallurgy of the actual sphere itself, and I think that's where the answer lies.

Also in April, we saw the US National Archives and Records Administration publicly released significant batch of UFO slash UAP records that have been transferred from multiple federal agencies.

This seemed to really fly under the radar.

Josh, Yeah, it did.

Frankly, I think because of.

The way that our society, you know, I can only speak to society in the US, but I think it's probably true for you know, the major countries around the world.

But because of things like TikTok and Instagram reels, people have gotten trying it to offen anybody but intellectually lazy and if it doesn't come to you in the form of a seven second or a ten second video.

They're unwilling much of the society is unwilling to do any type of real reading on whatever it is.

So, yes, the National Archives released all these records, but how many people, because of the way our society is now structured, with you know, the dopamine drip of social media, how many people would actually go to the archives, even though they're all scanned in, and actually read through and find documents that are interesting and all that.

They pretty much leave that to people like you know, the Black Vault and things like that for them to bring things forward.

But even then they still rely on people like us to do you know, YouTube and podcasts and things like that to really then summarize it even further down.

So I think the unfortunate part is is that a lot of those documents are they're scan PDFs, They're not easily searchable.

You have to take the time to go in and look at doc through doc and find if there's anything worthwhile in that documentation.

And unfortunately, the true researchers, if you will, are starting to dwindle more people more and more people rely on AI, and if AI doesn't have access to it, or it hasn't summarized it, or it's having an hallucination at the time that you asked the question, you're not going to get the right and straight answer.

I thought that they that this was something that really fell through the fingertips of people in eupology.

Sure there was a few people lee who grabbed onto it, but realistically a lot of these documents they may not have given the you know, beared a lot of fruit.

But at least it was a release you know, that we hadn't seen before.

Yeah, And unfortunately I don't know a lot about that release.

And of course I'm such a skeptic when it comes to anything that's been released by the government and whose fingers that's gone through before we've seen it with our own eyes, and whether, like Josh was saying, is it searchable?

Do we have do we have a direct link back to the archives to make sure that this stuff actually came from where it came from.

So those are the things I think about when we're talking about, you know, a release of documents like this, Courtney, I have.

Kind of an inside track on this, and you know, when there some of the records came out last year when the first dump came.

I was really excited because the Japanese flight that came into Anchorage, which was one of the you know, huge sightings with the pilot and you know a lot of data on radar and everything.

I was so excited about this, you know, because we got notifications that there was more information, and I went in and I have to tell you it was like letters and notes from people and Anchorage, you know, and I was just waiting through all the letters and waiting for like more information.

It just dumps.

They just dump everything.

So that is like the minutia of having to get through that to get to something like important.

It is crazy.

But I knew somebody who was working at the at the the Defense Department, Secretary of Defense, and they were helping the historian with the archive and going and getting records to get them released, you know, because that was one part of the UAPDA, that was the Recordization Act that was required by law to go and get these you know, records.

So he was working on it and he was actually fired.

When you get the final word on this.

Working on those documents.

And he told me that these documents are so important and they're everywhere.

There's documents like at Nelly's and these various different places, and they need the right person to go and get all these records streamlined into one and you know system, but that it's most likely not going to happen the right way, So I do have a little bit of intel on that process.

Sorry for interrupting you there, Courtney.

I apologize, Shane, you get the final word on this subject.

Well, just uh, there's there's uh.

I believe they've claimed that there's millions of pages of UFO related documents released by the government through CIA's website.

Everybody's got some, so there's no shortage of those documents.

Uh.

Bruce mccabee wrote an excellent book called The FBI CIA UFO Connection.

There's basically a couple hundred pages of government documents that, in my.

Opinion, were disclosure.

I mean the stuff they said is straight up not mistakable.

But again, you know, it's just a document.

But if you if you value documents and amazing anyways, he encapsulated a lot of what was released.

This was probably mid two thousands at that time.

But but you know, I think documents are good, they're great having them out, just being.

A part of the public record.

Is really important, if not, you know, functionally, symbolically it's important.

You know, it is a form of transparency, and you know, you can't complain that they're not given us data, even though they give us millions of pages and you gotta way through it and it's probably torture and horrible, but you know there's some good stuff in there.

So but that takes a certain kind of person, Like Josh was saying that the you know, hardcore researchers are are getting harder and harder to find, and uh, yeah, people are going to be dependent on AI.

So I'm very worried about that in terms of accuracy and truth and all that.

But but at ain't a rate.

It's a good thing to have the documents for least how functional and useful they are to the average person.

Just I guess just depends.

But I think it's important that it was done and hopefully, you know, we take this thing all the way.

We're going to jump to May in June because it was a slower time in ufology is always the end of spring, seems to be.

I don't know why, probably because it's conference season and all the speakers are tied up and you know, government starts to slow things down before their summer break, but we did have a couple of things happen here as we got about six minutes to go to cover both months.

The term whistleblower really started heating up again because we heard that there was going to be a lot more whistleblowers coming on out and people such as myself a little bit critical of this, trying to define what's the difference between a whistleblower and an experiencer.

And on that note, it also came out midyear UFO reporting platform including new Fork and Enigma Labs, counted over two thousand UFO sightings reportedly globally in the first half of the year.

Well, we know at least one of them probably stole all of their reports allegedly.

You know, we'll just it wouldn't be New Fork.

Sorry, but let's just call a spade a spade right there.

Okay, Josh ed heads up of his show up on the other platform there, you know.

So you know, we look at this lee, and we look at the fact that these whistleblowers keep coming out, and you know, we were hoping for more hearings coming up moving forward, and people are starting to wonder, well, what's really the difference between a whistleblower who's wearing a military uniform and somebody like Lee Strauss or Shane Hurd, Josh Rutledg or Courtney Marcasani or heaven forbid myself has an experience and sees something as well.

Are we whistleblowers because we're talking about what we saw, Lee, your first thought, Yu.

We're not whistle blowers.

We don't have the right to know unfortunately in the government size.

So what we are is more enthusiasts, right that want this truth out not only for ourselves but for our fellow man right.

And of course the government, being who the government is, is going to use any of this stuff to their advantage in one way or another.

That's my thoughts.

All right, let's move over to you, Courtney.

I think that whistleblowers defined and determined by law, and even federal whistle blowers are a certain category of whistleblower.

So I think in terms of the law when I think about whistleblower, and I also think about the things that they're sacrificing to whistleblow on.

And I think that this did come about through advocacy efforts because of whistle blowers talking about these horrible atrocities that are happening, you know, whether it's administrative terrorism or surveillance and harassment, or loss of job, loss of clearances.

There's a clear pattern that's happening over and over and over again to different whistleblowers.

And they're not only having to blow what they feel is do the right thing and blow the whistle, but then there are all these horrible repercussions that they're supposed to be protected from when they whistle blow.

So I don't think experiencers.

I don't think there is any differentiation or subtlety between an experience or in a whistleblower.

But not all whistleblowers are experiencers.

There is a difference there.

Sometimes whistleblowers are just witnessing something waste, fraud and abuse, or they're seeing a program or you know, the incendiary legacy program and they're whistleblowing on it, saying this is fraud or this is corruption.

And so I think we don't know whether all the whistleblowers are experiencers or not.

But the whistleblowers have gone to some times a federal level to report on you aps and corruption.

Shane, let's bring you in on this controversy because it is something that is a little bit divisive in the UFO world.

Yeah, it's it's a question of, you know, credibility, and with every investigation there has to be Look, I'm not a judgmental person.

I hate to be in that position, but as an investigator, if you have a report and a case, you have to take the person's credibility in consideration.

It has direct bearing on the case.

So in the case of a whistle blower, a whistle blower is a person who has knowledge of an organization's activities that they're going to make public that could be potentially damaging to that organization.

Right, So that's the whole legal stuff and and the weight the weight of that.

For an experiencer, they're just relating a personal experience.

They're not telling on anyone or exposing some organizational activity.

Yet they really have the most powerful testimony and credentials, because, as Courtney mentioned, just because you are there doesn't mean you're an experiencer, right, An experiencer is it's a whole other level.

It's It's like I always like to say, I don't want to just be a believer.

I want to be a knower.

Well, experiencers know right.

I always have said, there's nothing to make you a believer in UFO is like seeing one right, and and so it's it's that whole whole concept.

So I think whistle blowers are, you know, a piece of the puzzle that we need and it addresses you know, some of the gatekeepers and some of the information and all that.

But I think experiencers are absolute treasure.

And you know, they know they know the reality.

It isn't theoretical, it's not a document, it's not someone else telling them.

They've had the experience.

So and I think when we really solve this, it's going to be really through experiencers really, So I think that's the difference in what's most important about it.

Josh, we're going to finish you.

Last year, we only got about thirty five seconds before we got to go to break yep.

So I'll make one distinction between what Shane said.

A whistle blower is not there to in my opinion, is not there to bring it.

To the public.

They're there to blow the whistle on something that they feel as an just justice within the confines of how the law is defined.

So again, I'll say what Courtney said.

Legally, a whistleblower is seeing a program, they're bringing it to their authority stack whatever that happens to be within the confines of the law.

So I think the argument is oftentimes made.

Well, Grush didn't go to the New York Times and spill his beings to the New York Times.

No, because Grush followed within the confines of the law to be protected under the law that was passed by Congress.

So I think that, you know, the big distinction is it's not like Snowden, where Snowden put all of his stuff online where everybody could see it, and because of that, Snowden is now banned from entering the US without being prosecuted.

You know, I don't think we expect all these people who come forward to take the same risk.

The panel continues with the second half of twenty twenty five.

Right after this, you're listening Space Down with your host Dave Scott panel.

Are you enjoying yourselves here tonight?

Ye?

Oh yeah, yes.

You can't skip over the oversight panel in May.

Don't skip over that.

That's huge.

You said May and June were like nothing.

Burgers but they were May was huge.

I apologize.

May also had that guy who wrote ad wrote an article and medium about claiming to be the NASA employee for eleven years that received that NASA received a signal from like proxim proxima sentory B or something like that, like, yeah, GISs over that either.

Oh my god, man, what a horrible host.

What a horrible host.

You haven't reason.

I had to fit twelve months into three hours.

I know that's the problem.

That's the problem.

Hey, I was going to say to you guys, just a side note, UFO reports to move On are about half of normal have been this whole year.

Really, isn't that interesting?

Yeah?

We talked about that a little bit the other day, Dave.

Yes, I think it's because there's so many competing organizations that are now, like, you know, making it easy for people to report other places.

I'm hoping the new system actually, David, I think when you had spearing on the other night, he was talking about the new system for reporting will have an app where people can report via the app.

Yes, a lot of hopefully increase the the reports to move on, hopefully and hopefully that that that other system doesn't steal more reports.

I think the other thing is people, Uh they just posted themselves on on TikTok and Facebook and that's good enough.

Why why deal with us?

Well, they want a chance to be famous themselves and that's why.

Yeah, I'll get back to that.

That their Courtney, Well, that was one of the maybe one of the biggest things of the year because of what happened at that house oversight panel.

M Yeah, my list failed me.

I was wondering when it would fail me.

Damn list.

Did you ever contact that guy I told you about up in Canada that was helping night Crawler with the gravitational lensing thing, Dave, the Canadian guy.

I'm going to be blunt with you.

I have not I have my my data.

I'll tell you off the air.

Sounds good.

Just wondering if you checked in with them.

Yeah, for your mind?

How you doing?

Yes, my list went through the dopster process of what I could talk about tonight.

That's exactly.

Oh my gosh.

I love pair of bar Courtney.

You have to realize I just did my Christmas shopping.

I don't even have my tree up yet.

You were asking me to remember to do things.

Oh my god, I'm sorry.

I shouldn't even have brought it up.

I don't want to mean to put you on the spot.

No shame.

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Welcome to so our chat.

Here we go everyone, We're continuing the year in reviewing ecology.

My name is Dave Scott.

We got a great panel with us tonight with Shane Hurd, Courtney Marksani, Lee Straussen, the Wizard, Josh Rutledge, hanging on Out.

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Now, apparently, in my rush to get through the first six months, I forgot a big story and Courtney kicked my butt during the break to basically say, Dave, what the hell are you doing here?

You're putting on a panel and you missed the biggest story of the first six months.

Let's go, Courtney.

What't I forget?

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, Dave.

I didn't need to make you uncomfortable.

It's all good.

It's all good.

That's what you guys are here for.

I thought.

I thought May was like the month that we all watched the House Oversight panel on you know, c SPAN or wherever where we saw you know, Lou Alizonto introduce you know, all these people from House Oversight.

We saw Burlison there, Luna was there, Mike Gold, you know of NASA was there.

We saw Eric Davis be introduced to and we saw Anna bradyasdevs be introduced from NASA and the National Science Foundation.

So it was like this showcase of individuals and leadership within you know, Congress or representing specific subject matter experts, you know, in the field, and that was where we heard about Eric Davis talking about the you know, the various species, where he was, you know, introducing the different kinds in front of everybody on a on a congressional panel.

We heard Mike Gold talking about NASA's involvement in potential UAP studies or their interests and crossover there.

And then we heard, you know, famously of the efforts that Chris Mellan talked about with all the different types of satellite tracking technology that are not classified that we could be using our employ in UAP and UFO studies and data gathering.

And it's also where we saw the crop photo that Lou held up, the irrigation photo, and that was a you know, that was a you know, a huge bomb in the UFO community.

So that was may I believe if I'm correct on that.

All right, let's get Josh's comment on that.

Yeah, you are correct, And it was May I remember because I tried to watch it live and they had a plethora of audio issues that just like they couldn't get the mics to line up.

They switched like a bunch of different cameras, they tried, like he just had all kinds of getting audio issues coming through like to the actual people watching versus just in the room.

So that was one thing.

But yeah, I think I think the reason a lot of people gloss over remembering that that is because of that photo that Lou held up, as you know, look at this evidence that everybody just immediately you know, went to went to went to ground on trying to, you know, tell him how he was wrong and how this this credits everything that he's ever said because he made a mistake and held up a picture of some crop circles are not not crops, circular plantings.

It was also for me, the first time I'd ever heard about the UAP Disclosure Fund.

Uh So that was because that's who hosted that event, and I think Tim Galadett also presented uh at that that presentation as well.

But yeah, and it was it was a lot of people that we later saw in the u f E u A P hearing and everybody was like, who's this Mike gold guy, and why is he here?

And so if you didn't know that he was also in that other presentation in May, then it didn't really make sense.

But yeah, if you look at it as a part of the entire puzzle that fits together.

Then you know, you start to see maybe even some sort of a a plan if you will, that is unfolding with how these people are being brought in, uh, their information being shared and and and what you know what maybe the folks behind the scenes, if you will, are pushing or marching towards and their plans for how they want this stuff to unfold.

It's almost like.

They're laying out all of their pieces on the board before they start actually moving their pieces into the positions they want them.

So Shane your thoughts.

Yeah, Uh, don't have anything to add.

It's just just another important step or stage in the process.

And you know, we're probably still going to see more of that, more hearings.

But you know, I do have that sense of frustration that even with Congress, they can't seem to get in this gift, they can't seem to get even classified information, and it just is major foot dragging, so frustrating.

But you know, again, like I mentioned earlier, it's a political game.

Just gonna have to play it and hopefully come come away with something good at some point.

All Right, Apparently in New York State in the month of July was very hot for UFO sightings.

Throughout the first half it was kind of leading the rest of the United States with unusual aerial motions, zigzag patterns, fast orbs ripping through.

But we saw an increase of people talking about orbs and it became a very public subject as we kind of bounce around from the government issue to what people are seeing.

You know.

Uh, Shane, I want to start with you on this one regarding these orbs that people have been starting to really pick up on it as it's become a very popular topic.

Yeah, at one hundred percent, I think, you know, Chris Bledsoe and his activities you know, throughout the course of the year drawing drawn a lot of attention more mainstream people, uh, to the subject of orbs and stuff.

But uh, you know, with this also with Skywatcher group coming out in this discussion about psionics and how people can call these things in of course, with Grier's long time activity of doing that with the CE five, a lot of people are playing around with it and you know, are getting results and seeing seeing these orbs and and you know, in fact, I have people over to my ranch here several times a year.

We try and do it once a month doesn't work out quite that much.

But we get a group together and we do some of our own psionics and we have psychics and channelers present h and others and experiencers certainly, and we've had really good results four or five times.

Bringing these orbs in and.

We've filmed them, documented them, the whole thing, and so something is happening, something new or different.

There is more engagement, and it seems to be these orbs, is these balls of light or whatever?

They are getting to be very common.

And now I'll just say we haven't got them super close to us.

I would say quarter of a mile maybe maybe, you know, but people who have had these experiences even closer, and I think it's fairly frightening when when we've been it's been revealed to us that they're sort of the sixth observable, as Lou mentioned, is physical harm to human bodies from you know, being a cross close proximity to these orbs and UAP.

So it's something to be concerned about and you know, take proper precautions.

But as I said, we've had really a very highly positive experience with it ourselves.

Now, sticking with orbs, we got to get into a couple of topics here for July and Lee, I want to bring you in, you know, sticky with Skywatcher.

You mentioned the group Skywatcher and their psionics and they're you know, reclaiming of the of all of the changing the name of all of the UFO ways, you know, names that we were used to bragging about the psionics at everything.

Lee.

And then in July, all of a sudden, the news from Skywatchers seemed to peter out a little bit.

A lot of people believe that there was some internal strife and internal actions that were causing this.

Other people believe that, you know, that they got a little too governmental and the government said, hey, it's time for you guys to go quiet because you got to play with the big boys.

Now, Lee, your thoughts.

That's exactly it.

You hit the nail on the head.

And what I believe.

You know, they had a lot of people within the government within the group, and I think, you know, they just wanted to keep it more to the government side.

There was a lot of people that invested quite a bit of money into that group, and I think Dave, you're right, they just wanted to not say so much about it.

Not only that when they brought out this book basically of like these twelve or eight different types of UFOs, I think it really confused people.

And you know, it's easy to say, well, there's a luminous orb in the sky, but it's it's harder to break that down because a lot of these things are seen at distance.

There's a lot of people that don't have the equipment that some of us have to be able to view these things up close.

But it just brought more confusion in.

And maybe that was done on purpose.

I don't know, but it seems like it has gone quiet because because of people on the inside wanting it to be quiet, are nerved.

Could be Courtney, let's get your opinion.

Skywatcher came in with such force and then all of a sudden, like the Two of the Stars Academy, like other groups, they just started to fade into the sunset where they were just now part of history and lore.

Not saying that they're gone, but you know, they've died off.

Their big thing was that they wanted to make a lot of their data public.

They said full transparency.

They weren't going to put all of it out, but they were going to put a lot of their data out and make it public, which I was super excited about, and I know a lot of other people were.

The other thing that made them a little unique is that they were openly willing to discuss psionics.

You know.

Psionics is also like an older term that they were kind of pressing into service about their field experiencing field experiences, using people who had had encounters in the past, And so I was watching them really closely, and I think you're absolutely right.

In June, I knew people within Skywatcher who were like renegotiating their contracts and there was just these delays and hiccups and they couldn't talk about it.

And then after that it was very quiet, and it has been very quiet, except for the one psionic Michael Battista, who put out his information and his videos, but he didn't declare whether he was still with Skywatcher doing that or not.

So there was still some confusion about what they were doing with their neuromeditative protocols and where they were going with that study.

But I do know that James Fowler, who actually announced publicly that he left Skywatcher and took a government contract, and they were all very positive about that from Skywatcher.

I actually found out he's still working on UAPs and still talking with people who were having encounters and seeing UFOs, so we know, we know he's still in the field somewhat doing government and it still involves UAPs.

I think that their their movement to government was inevitable.

You know.

The one thing that I will say about and maybe a contradicts what you learned about it, was I didn't see Skywatcher giving a care about ufology and bringing it out to the people, you know, from just doing this show talking to a lot of people.

I didn't see that.

I saw them being like another TTSA where they knew how to say all the right things, but they were doing something polar opposite, and you know, I want them to succeed.

I thought Jake Barber was a good guy.

I wish they were more open and transparent, you know, than what they claimed that they were.

I thought there was a big difference in that.

But I don't want to see them go away.

But let's get back to what the original mantra was, and we just don't see that happening.

We got to move on because also in July, Josh the mosl Orb was seen.

Now, this one caused a lot of controversy because people weren't sure were we looking at a UFO, were we looking at something else maybe hidden us technology that we still don't know what it is.

Your thoughts, Josh.

Yeah, you know this is like I said that the video that came out from arrow, you know, flying over a rack.

To me, it even kind of looks a little metallic, uh, in the in the video that was put out, So.

You know it does it does it equate back to.

That, you know, the our discussion before around metallic spheres in our in our atmosphere.

I think so so often, so many times we we have these cases that come forward and we evaluate them ah as it's as as a single standalone case, as opposed to also evaluate evaluating it as it may relate to other tangentially related cases.

And so you know those the those the Moses, those the Mosal sphere.

You know, does it give any additional credibility to other sphere type sightings?

Does it give any other credibility uh, to the Buga sphere?

And despite how you may feel about the people involved, So I think the the potential gap in the Moses h orb or sphere video.

Is that people singled it out as an individual occurrence, uh, instead of looking at it as a potential uh uh you know, repeat or continuation of other sightings and occurrences that have been filmed or captured over the last you know, five or six years.

I want to get to you, Courtney, the mogul, the mosal orb.

We're talking about the orb that was shown during the hearing where Burlison brought the moscal orb out.

We saw it being shot right and then its separating.

What's the muscle orb?

Is that the one that came over that looked like a jellyfish.

Yes, it's like a perfectly round Oh yes, yes, tallic looking sphere that's flying or flying as usually you know, but it's moving over the city of Mosul.

This was a while ago, right.

Of July.

Okay, I'm going to pass.

Shane.

You want to make a comment before we move on.

Uh No, I mean, you know that's it's a pretty curious video.

I mean it's either if it's ours, it's doing something we aren't aware of that we're able to do, and if it's not, then it's pretty darn interesting.

I'm it's it's it's very clear video.

You're not you know, you're not mistaken something.

I think either the real deal or it's not.

I think Mick West, the skeptic, called it a puddle, like a reflection of from a puddle or something along those lides.

It was ridiculous.

We do have one big story that started in July that we need to get to and this will take us right into August, September, October, November, December three I Atlas three I Atlas was discovered, and it kicked off a real chain of events because this comment was not acting like a comment at many times, and a lot of people were wondering because it was coming from outside of our solar system.

They were wondering, could this officially be an alien ship, much like Omuamua was thought now.

Avi Lobe, the Harvard astrophysicist, always thought it was a comment, but he said, look, we can't rule it out.

We need to investigate, and it's okay to believe that it could be something different than a comet.

He took a lot of heat over that in the physics and astrophysics community.

I thought it was ridiculous, Shane, I see you nodding your head.

Yeah, I mean this this is oh boy.

That So I'll just say this first of all, a VI lobe coming out and saying this is what generated all the interest, right because of his credibility, and you know, but social media runs with that and takes it probably further than they should.

But so I think there's.

Only been a couple documented bodies from outside our solar system in human recorded history, right, So we don't know a lot about comments, right, And when you have one coming in, if that's what it is and it's exhibiting strange behaviors, well it's I think it's reasonable to conclude it's just a comment or a body that we've not seen before, and it's going to exhibit things we've not seen before, right.

I mean, your first conclusion probably should gravitate towards a prosaic explanation.

However, I think that is equally wise to consider other possibilities, and those strange behaviors could be indicators of something, you know, else.

So I just think it's you know, we need to gather.

As much of data as we can, We need to really study it and needs to be shared, peer reviewed, published, that whole thing.

But sadly we know that's not really gonna happen.

It is, it's gonna whisk by.

I think today is its closest point, and we're never going to solve anything.

We're just all will have been stirred up and talked about it possibly being alien and possibly.

Not, and nothing's going to come of it.

I'm sorry that's my personal frustration, but you know, it's interesting.

It does expand our knowledge, and you know, if it's if it is another intelligence and you know I and they're not here to hurt us, I would look forward to that.

So I'm open to all those possibilities.

But it's kind of an interest, been an interesting I think political science observation.

What's happened with it, and who's who's commenting on it, what they're commenting and the reaction of people reminds me of the Phoenix Lights when I was here in ninety seven, and the reaction of the community was super fascinating, you know, in the response to it, aside from the obvious thing that was of interest.

So I think this kind of is like that.

It's really interesting for me to see how everyone's reacting to it, more than it's either going to be a strange comment or it's going to be aliens one another.

I'm ready let's hear.

It, of course, and Courtney, let's go to you on this.

Then we'll get to Lee.

I think once again, you have to go back in time, you know, to the wayback machine.

And many of us were watching Oh Mama, and Avi was one of the first people from Harvard that came out and said, no, it has no alien affiliation.

We're absolutely sure about that.

And then he came back right and he did like a whiplash and a reversal of his opinion, regardless of you know, what Harvard was saying at the time, and he went full into you know, this whole topic.

Course, got involved with the you know, the Soul group and has been very public and does any many presentations.

So his talking about you know, the new object, the three I atlas is really interesting because he's kind of done the same thing.

If you've read his writings and followed his medium.

He has a medium account where he writes articles on Medium and does updates.

He shares the data, he shares his opinion, and sometimes he goes right up to that line once again of saying this could be you know, an alien visitor.

And then he'll come back, and the main thing was the tail they were talking about.

That tale was different and the way the tale was showing up is the main aspect to study.

But then you had the people in the astronomy community talking about these tales and how they are very unusual but they do happen.

So I thought that was all fascinating.

And meanwhile you have everybody in the WU community saying that this is the ship that's coming in.

It's been rumored to come in, and so I thought that it was very interesting on a number of like sociology like levels of watching people's responses and putting meaning on this thing.

But obviously, you know, very specifically, it was interesting to watch with how he handled it politically in the science and I think he veered close, but he never said it was.

So I think it's been fascinating.

Going to We're going to continue the three eye out list talk with Lee and Josh when we return for the third and final hour were spaced Out Radio.

You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

All Right, we are clear.

I got the mussel or fixed up with the jellyfish too.

I was thinking the jellyfish you guys threw me off with the mussel, and then I was thinking about the yemen one that they brought in the hearing.

I'm going to have to go look up the mussel warm.

I think I know which one it is, but it was not top of mind when you asked me that, obviously.

Yeah, and whoever said it's a puddle of water, I've never seen a puddle of water move on a camera.

I don't know you, Mick.

Yeah, he hasn't been as public anymore.

Just for the record right now, Shane, because I know you love warm weather or cold weather.

It's five degrees here outside the studio.

Oh my god, let me check what it is here.

I'll get my temperature.

Hold on minus fifteen celsius.

Crazy, we're one degree in anchorage.

Oh so we're not that far off.

No, you're probably at minus seventeen minus eighteen.

Oh that's still hoodie weather.

That's not that's not jacket weather.

Yet, you're so funny.

Be right back, guys.

I'm thinking you're squarely in the hell range.

I went out to warm up my truck today or yesterday it was, and that was when it was eight below and my fingers I didn't wear gloves out and my fingers just on the wheel were starting to crunch and I took so long for them to warm up.

I was like, this is how you can tell below the below numbers.

It takes a lot longer to come back and bounce back and get warm.

Yep.

Yeah, I'm interesting Shane about your ranch.

I'm so interested to hear about your ranch and that you take experience or so I want to know more.

Yeah.

Yeah, we do it once a month and I have a fire pit out there and and then like a big horse arena and we'll set up our chairs and you know, we you know, Josh does some channeling.

We we do dowsing rods.

Uh.

You know ghost box Uh.

I have a thermal video of just something truly amazing paranormal.

It's incredible.

And yeah, and we we've got you know, videos and photos of the orbs and stuff and their behavior and you know, it's like I said, it's.

It's a reality for me.

I've witnessed multiple times.

You know, I mean what it is exactly, can't say, don't have the right term for it, but it is, it's real.

It's where in Arizona are you You don't have to tell me exactly about like what.

Yeah, I'm very far and north Phoenix.

There's care Free Highway.

I live right off that care Free Highway.

It's like an unincorporated area.

It's very rural, all dirt roads and it's all like one five and ten acre horse ranches.

So it's you know, it's dark, and it's it's really nice.

It's about the elevation and downtown Phoenix is about eight hundred feet.

We're almost at two thousand here, so I get a sense of being up higher.

You know, it's a little cooler here at night anyway, don't have the heat island effect.

That's what I like about Montana.

It's always super hot in the day, but then it gets cool at night and you can about all the windows and the cool air comes in and you don't feel like you're suffocating from the heat when you sleep.

Yeah.

Yeah, oh yeah, that sun drops, so does the temperature.

Yeah yeah.

So Josh, how's it going doing the UF overport.

Sorry I didn't need to interrupt you from your grabbing your drink.

Yeah, I mean, I'm having a blast doing it.

Cool gives me another reason to stay, you know, abreast of all the stuff going on.

So yeah, very.

Nice, and Lee, how about you?

Dave keeps telling me that you're doing some insane crazy stuff.

Are you doing all the scientific stuff?

Still?

You're doing some studies right, Not.

So much studies right now.

I've got a I've got a rig that I've outfitted with a bunch of equipment, and of course I do my Friday show sometimes I go live out in the field and that sort of thing.

But yeah, well that studies, live out in the field.

It sounds like steady to me in in a way.

Yeah, good, Yeah, I've got it.

I've got an all sky camera that I built and fitted with a different lens so I can take more close up photos versus like you know, fish out photos.

Awesome, beautiful.

All right, just checking in with the panel, Dave, right on, Thank you.

We have about forty five seconds before we kick off the third hour.

It feels good outside, Shane, not gonna lie.

What are you doing out there, Dave?

Looking for Bigfoot, checking the weather, of course, of course, taking the Earth's temperature.

Always.

All right, here we go, guys, third end, final hour of Spaced Out Radios special of Ufology in twenty twenty five.

My name is Dave, Scott.

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Now let's continue with the panel as we're talking three I Atlas as it came out in July and really started making a lot of headwaves in August, Lee Strauss, I mean your thoughts on it, because a lot of people thought it was a comet, but then it started doing some really weird things, making weird turns.

You know, it is heading to Earth, and then all of a sudden decided to hang a left at Albuquerque much like bugs money, and took off towards Mars.

I mean, it seemed to do a lot of weird, strange things lee.

You know, just my imagination run wild.

It was like I was a kid again and just coming up with these fantastical things that are you know, could be possibilities, and I just let my imagination run run with it, and and that, you know, and this phenomenon just kept getting bigger and bigger.

It's like when you start with a snowball and you roll it down the hill, you know, it just gets bigger and bigger as it goes.

And it seems like what happened with.

Three I Atlas.

And of course now here we are today it's past its perihelium with Earth and is headed away and none, of course none of those things happened.

But it was sure an.

Amazing time to get every other day news something new would happen, you know.

And I remember one of my my fondest thoughts was, well, what if it, you know, intersect with Mars and then starts orbiting Mars and it starts to tear a farm Mars.

I mean, I mean, I just let my mind go with it.

It was so much fun, it really was, and you know, I hope everybody else had had, you know, those sorts of thoughts with this as well.

Let's get to you Josh Rutledge on three iye atlasts before we move on YEP two.

I think big things for me is number one.

As you know, Dave, we've talked about it before.

I do some channeling and stuff on the side, and I had done a dowsing rod divination session on eleven eleven and it was about three Aye atlas, and the message that came through was that when it went on the other side of the Sun on the side for us, obviously, it was going to trigger some large solar flares and that was going to be you know, uh seating energy uh into the into the Earth and everything.

And so for me it was a big confirmation that after the comet went on the other side of the Sun, that's what happened.

We saw some big solar flare activity and that solwar flower activity had some pretty significant impacts on Earth.

So does that mean it was seeding energy and Earth?

I don't know, but I thought it was interesting.

So kind of like Lee said, I, you know, I let my uh non you know, scientific brain, if you will have a little fun.

And in the course of that activity, at least they got some confirmation.

The two big The second big thing that I think I'll call that And we talked about this when we first started talking about the subject, is that obvious position on the possibility that it could be, you know, alien tech.

I think highlights a significant problem that we have with mainstream and that mainstream science has almost become, if not become, its own religion amongst the world religions, and if you have ideas or things that push against the boundaries of what is accepted within that religion, then you are shunned in the scientific community.

And so all Alvi was trying to say, like you said, Dave, is you know it could be just consider the possibility that it could be.

But because of that statement he was shunned.

It highlights that we have to get to the point where we don't put just like with disclosure, everybody's waiting on pins and needles for the US government to come out and say the thing that everybody else is already thinking about, or knows or has considered why do we put so much stock in mainstream science to tell us things when they are unwilling to consider other possibilities as well?

Agreed, And I thought that the rough housing that Avi Lobe from Harvard University took on all of this with three i AT lists, even though he'd said publicly it is a comment.

I believe it's a comet, but we can't rule it out.

These are scientists.

Their job is to look for the unknown, not what's already here.

That's why they got into what they do so for, you know, literally poo pooing any idea that this could have been some sort of alien craft.

I thought was irresponsible of many in the scientific community.

And we're gonna move on to August here because everybody's favorite reporting site, Enigma Labs, allegedly accounted for nine thousand, not nine, not ninety, not nine hundred, nine thousand USO reports off the coast of the United States being reported in what is a USO?

Well, it's an unidentified submerged object.

And this could be anything from a submarine to a whale to help of all things and not just aliens, I mean nine thousand and Yet, what's interesting about this?

People?

If you've never heard me rant on Enigma labs.

They don't have a single researcher on their staff.

They don't.

They claim that they have nine thousand, the majority of those probably coming from a great organization called Moufon.

So let's just let's just get right to it.

I mean, Lee, let's start with you.

We haven't started with you in a while.

I mean, nine thousand reports on USOS.

As soon as you told me that.

As soon as I hear that, I'm thinking about all the fish that are out there right, Maybe you sprinkle in a couple of navy vessels, submarines and whatnot, But floating debris.

I mean, you think about all the horrible earthquakes that we've had in the tsunamis, and you know, now you've got debris spread across the ocean.

So there's a lot of stuff out there floating.

How can they tell you know what they're picking up on?

I agree, I agree.

I want to really focus at court.

I'm going to give you the last say on this, but I want to focus on Shane and Josh here because they are a part of Moufon.

Josh, in fact, has had one of his reports scooped by Enigma Labs, who says they're doing it all legitly.

They are just taking things allegedly, okay, from you know, people who are submitting their reports.

But Josh, one of your reports ended up on there.

So is this something with the statistics that we could trust about all of these nine thousand usos?

I think well, as far as the nine thousand USOS, it's at the end of the day, it's a classification, and it's more than likely it's AI looking for keywords across reports.

That's probably all that's happening, and.

Then there are aggregating reports looking for those unique keywords.

I have been interested in USOS for a long time.

Richard Dolan released a book earlier this year actually talking about the history of USOS and it's.

In my audible, but I haven't listened to it yet.

But you know, and I've been interested since, uh, I've been t Saterson wrote the book in Visible Residents that talked about, uh, the interest in USO.

So I think that there is a lot of our There is a lot of stuff that happens in the water.

We you know Tim tim Burke Chet from Tennessee, you know, he is really big right now about the here of the account that he was told about about a submarine tracking a football sized object moving at like two hundred miles an hour, not football, sorry, football field size object moving at two hundred miles an hour underwater.

So I do think there are probably if more, if you know, the accounts of USO is happening than what we track for UFOs.

As far as the data with Enigma, again, it's a keyword search.

That's where they came up with that number.

They look for specific keywords across all the cases.

I know that they got cases from Newfork, and because my case is in there, they at least got some cases from Moufon.

So you know whether or not.

Whether or not they got those cases legitimately, I'm I can't say, but you know, at least from a aggregate looking at an aggregating keywords, it does seem to be that there are a lot of reports of things happening in the water, the waters of the earth.

I think that's a very fair statement.

You know, it really is, Shane, you're part of Moufon as well.

And nine thousand cases that seems a little high, I think, even for those who are are more serious about this rather than you know, allegedly, you know, looking through AI algorithms to try and find cases.

Yeah, I mean move On, which is the world's largest UFO investigation organization, only receives five, five or six thousand reports a year globally, right, so nine thousand.

USO sidings that I'm not sure where that came from.

I would say the CMS, the case management system of Movefon that contains all the case data.

It has over one hundred and fifty thousand cases in it, or one hundred and forty five thousand somewhere in that neighborhood.

Maybe, as Josh suggested, that there's a there's a little bit of data available to the public on cases.

It's called a short description and it's it's just that a two or three sentence thing, and then a photo or video if it was uploaded with it, you could see that.

But none of the case.

Data, the research data names addresses PII, none of that is ever available to anyone.

So Enigma may maybe they even I don't know this, so but you know, maybe there was an agreement, maybe they purchased some of it from Moufon.

I don't know.

Mofon also supplied data to Arrow, did it come back to did you know Enigma, you know, contribute to arrow and vice versa.

Did the stated swap pants?

I don't.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know the history of it.

But I could see that, you know, that could happen.

And I guess in general, it's good that the reports are out, you know, as long as it's legitimate, you know, But I don't know how that could have come.

About nine thousand USO it sounds like a lot, but out of one hundred and fifty thousand cases, I don't think that percentage is USO reports.

You know, USO reporting is relatively new.

I mean, there's some people out there that have been following it, you know, like on the West Coast and stuff.

I can't remember Preston Dennett, you know, he's always sad about that channel there between LA and and there.

So you know, it's still a relatively new phenomena.

That sounds like a large number to me, but you too can't speak to me too.

And you know what, I will give one of my predictions for twenty twenty six, I think move on.

Once they get their new system up, the CMS system, I think that it's going to put them in a category where when people start taking their reports and claiming them as their own, I think it's going to lead to a potential lawsuit.

I really will, because that's plagiarism.

It's theft and plagiarism.

I realize MUFON's caseload.

Anybody can access it, anybody can do what they want with it.

But when you're plagiarizing it and making it your own and reporting it as your own, that gets into a totally different territory.

Courtney, you get the last word on this one.

Well, I'm going to reference Age of Disclosure again and you're going to hear Lou Elizondo talk about USOS and Tim gallidet the rear Admiral talk about usos and their relevance and tracking them.

Kevin Kanooth, who is out of Albany and Sunni New York, has talked about at the SOUL conference how they have such a hard time tracking usos under the water and you know, having sonar and other things, but they really need to get better.

But in Age of Disclosure, you're going to hear Lou talk about and I'm not going to spoil this for you, Dave, so you can pay attention when you watch it and you two lee.

He talks about half fast they've tracked usos under the water and the impossible speeds that they have tracked them at, which shows that USOS under the water, you know, exists.

So when I hear about this Enigma number of nine thousand usos off the coast of the East, only in my mind, I'm thinking there's a calculation error.

Right, You and I covered this.

And the last time I think I was on SOAR and we went and drilled down on are they you know, echoes of animals, Are they getting data from other databases?

You know?

How is this?

And the problem that I saw was in a nutshell, like all those reported alone by Enigma, where are they coming from?

One whicheverybody has already said, But how they are going to parse out this data and all these reporting centers and get a real number.

That's going to be a huge problem for people doing data collection on these on these reports.

So that's my that's my overall nutshell.

I think it's going to be a major issue for everybody nationally if we don't start parsing out where they're coming from.

Well, let's move into September, because we're running out a time September.

What happened in September, well, maybe a hearing that could have happened about uf where we saw George Knapp absolutely make the panel explode, and we saw Dylan Borland come out with his incredibly emotional story about how discussing UFOs cost him his job within the intelligence community.

Let's get right into this, Courtney, and we're going to start with you.

We just ended up, but we're going to start with you on this one.

I thought the overarching theme of the of the if you could, if you could once again put it into a SoundBite, it was about whistleblower protections.

We heard it over and over and over and over again.

That seems to be where the lobbying effort went, and it was highlighted in the whistleblowers testimonies.

I thought it was very good that George Knapp was called and asked about the Russian documents, how he got him, where he got him from, where they went, the deals that were made.

That was all very good that he went and backtrack and told the history of the Russian documents in the UFO program that the Russians had, So that was very very good, and I also thought it was good to hear from Dylan Borland about Bay Systems and his you know, talking about what he witnessed.

Now I understand he's come under some fire coming out and talking about this on you know, more of a public being public with the podcasters in that community, and he's gone quiet a little bit.

But I have just been told just in this last week that he has way more to share and talk about.

So I hope people will give him a break and let him, you know, come out and tell what more he has to share, and hopefully he will.

But I thought the hearings were another solid step in in roads and getting people into an actual potentially skiff again, Like they want to get Dylan Borland in a skiff, and I think he already did go into a skiff one time and share some of the classified stuff.

So I thought it was one again, more progress being made.

I know people are frustrated, and I know there's another hearing supposedly coming, so I think there's more to come.

All right, Lee, let's get to you here on this one.

You know, the hearings came out George Napp.

You know a lot of people love or hate George Napp.

In this field, they do.

He is a longtime investigative journalist with KLAS TV.

He's written books on this subject.

We learned about Area fifty one because of Bob Lazar and George Napp.

We learned about Skinwalker Ranch because of George DApp, and he has a lot of things going on for him and a lot of sources in this field, you know.

And I loved the way George Knapp called them out.

And George Knapp actually dropped names of intelligence peoples and committees and groups in that hearing.

Yeah, he did do that.

But as far as the hearing goes, the thing that really the thing that really stuck in my mind and still now, there is not a clear path for these whistleblowers to travel on to get this information out.

There's not something set up for them.

And I did hear that time and time again, and that just kind of what do you mean there's not a clear path for them?

What are you talking about here?

We've got these whistleblowers talking right now, What do you mean there's not a clear path?

And apparently they need to set up and they kind of said said that they need to set up something for them, a place for them to go so that they can get this information out.

It seems like there's quite a few people that want to keep you know, it under wraps, all this this information under wraps, and they don't want it out in Congress.

So, you know, how do you sidestep that that that pathway needs to be clear for the people that want to come out with with what they know.

We got two minutes ago.

Let's go to you, Josh Yep.

I mean, I thought it was really good.

I thought the it was also the first time that we saw or we heard from an active member of the military that had not retired or you know, or left their post or whatever.

They were still after that hearing was done, they were going to go back to serving in their in their you know, active military capacity.

So I think that that speaks volumes for where we are in the topic, that not just retirees are feeling comfortable with coming forward and talking about their experiences in such a public forum as a congressional hearing.

And then I think that it'll be interesting to see because Representative Luna has hinted at, you know, potentially not having any more hearings because they don't have any new information to share.

It's just the same kind of anecdotal experience or type information that we've talked about in the past.

So it'll be interesting to see if we actually do get another hearing in twenty twenty six or not.

I now, Courtney, you're saying, you're hearing that there could be more hearings coming up next year.

Yeah, there's been a lot of late breaking stuff coming, you know, out of the Hill about you know, the NDAA and that extra right in in that legislation and them trying to get it, you know, on the floor and get it evaluated.

And then in that same conversation they're talking about another hearing coming up, multiple quotes coming out of the Hill, So yeah, I think they're trying to have another one.

There's some there's some people on the record about it.

All right, Shane, I'm gonna get your opinion of the hearings because I want to hear it before before we get to the remainder of the year, the final quarter of the year October November December, and what's going to happen in twenty twenty six.

We got a jam packed final half hour of spaced out radio coming up right after this, everybody, so stay tuned.

We have Courtney Marcus Sign, Shane Hurd, Josh Rutledge, and extra small Lee Strokes.

This is spaced out Radio and your hosts, Nay Scott.

All right, we're clear.

Wasn't there also something that Luna had said about the people that are keeping this behind wraps are not necessarily the congressmen themselves, but there's people behind them that are keeping a lot of this information from getting out into Congress.

Yeah, go ahead, sorry, as you say, it's the private companies, it's the military industrial complex there.

It's going to threaten them and in the worst way, and there they would.

They are funding campaigns, so they got a lot of power.

But I think that's what that's about.

Okay, I would agree with that.

I would totally agree with that.

Yeah, And Luna was just her, Burchette and Burleson were all just interviewed on Weaponized uh this past week and that's when, you know, for the time that she was there, I learned a very interesting thing.

You know, we talked about it this past weekday, but that the task Force are the you know, the the Congressional Oversight Committee that she chairs.

They don't have subpoena power, so they have.

I have absolutely zero teeth when it comes to actually getting people to attend hearings, uh and and kind of come before hearings and and uh and tell what they know.

So they really are.

At the you know, the the whim of the volunteers, the people who you know, just want to come and share what they know.

And so maybe that's why it feels like the UAP hearings are light on their ability to produce actionable results.

I think she does though now, John, I think she just got Title ten and Title fifty powers and subpoena powers.

I think that happened.

But one of the things she did just say recently was that Congress was informed where UFO footage was and hidden in the Department of War, and they demanded access to it and they were denied.

So I thought that was an interesting hot quote that just came out.

That's just in the last week.

I think.

I saw him whistling.

Mike is in the chat and I wanted to bring him up for those who don't know him, because he's one of the people that has faced a certain type of nightmare taking a piece of metal that he had when he was out on an investigation and the crazy stuff that's happened to him.

He took it in and they know, they analyzed it and then what happened afterwards.

If you haven't seen his case, it's worth it to take a look at it because he actually went in and you know, reported it and had a bunch of hygiens happen and they you know, he basically determined it was US TECH and he had a terrible time.

So anyway, there's been stuff written about it, and he was going to go in and testify in Congress and decided not to because of it.

Whistling Mike, it's an important story.

Whistling Mike and I are slowly building a conversation privately that we're going to try and get him on the show in early jail.

Oh I'm sorry.

I probably shouldn't have said anything.

Oh no, please do, please do, please do.

That's what this is all about.

I'm just excited to hopefully get him on the air to tell this story.

I don't think he'll have the impact that Shane Hurd's mustachees had.

But just teasing, just teasing, are you going to.

Mention the missile shoot video that was aired at the hearing in September I was planning on it.

Okay, cool, let's make sure we're not moving off of it too quick.

That's the Yemen video, right.

Yeah, yeah, No, there's still lots to talk about September.

And forgive me, guys, I was struggling with October two.

Did anything good actually happen in October?

No?

M okay, I'm safe.

I'm safe there, Courtney, thank you.

Yeah, I don't.

Oh, Shane, you have competition whistling, Mike says, I will be there with a mustache.

Oh, he's gonna have to prove his mustache power activates.

All right, doodling mustaches.

It sounds like a beard oil store or something.

Beard oil right here somewhere.

We're around here.

I got beard oil, all right?

Now, there it is.

Here we go in five seconds, everybody, we are into the final half hour of the UFO Report.

You know, we're just gonna get right to it tonight.

My name is Dave Scott.

We got a great panel looking back at year twenty twenty five in upology.

Lee Strauss, Josh Rutland, Shane Hurt, and Courtey Marcusani are here and we're gonna get right back to it because the UFO hearings in September did cause a lot of stir.

Dylan Borland's emotional testimony about losing his career, basically saying he had six weeks left of EI and then he didn't know what he was going to do for a job because literally he got fired for reporting a UFO.

Then we had George Knapp basically doing what he was destined to do, name names in front of Congress.

But then there was a video coming out of Yemen where something was struck by a hell fire missile and it broke into pieces and kept flying.

Josh Rutt Lynch, let's get your opinion on this.

I thought it was really interesting that the video was shown at all because it was a video of a screen that was showing the video.

It was like somebody pulled out their phone and you took a video of somebody who was watching something on a screen.

So just from a from kind of like an evidentiary perspective, it was kind of weak in the you know, being able to track back the origin of the video.

I thought it was I really I'm really not sure why Burlison decided to air it in the hearing when he did, other than just to get it entered into evidence, but again it would be entering the video of the video into evidence, not the original video that is being referenced in the video of the video.

So yeah, I know it was picked apart heavily.

A lot of you know, the the debunkers and skeptic and skeptics and cynics all think that it's probably a balloon that was shot down somehow.

You know, the balloon when it was hit by the hellfire missile, it broke into other pieces and what you're seeing is not that it continue to fly, but it was basically falling and then it fell into the water or something to that effect.

I also, I don't think that it was a balloon, but I'm skeptical on what it was like what were we actually seeing, And again a lot of that is based on not having the actual footage that was being shown, but a video of a video, so there was no additional details that could really be discerned.

You know, when you think about the tic TAC and the gimbal and all those other videos, we have other data elements on the screen from the instrumentation that was being used to record the video, but in this case, we don't really have a lot of that because the person who's filming it is zoomed in on the object in the event that is occurring, and so we're missing a lot of that additional detail and data to be able to help determine, you know, what we might have been looking at, what speed was it traveling at, what speed was the aircraft that was videoing it traveling at, what was the altitude, et cetera, et cetera.

Et cetera.

So for me, it's still an unknown because we just don't have enough data to be able to determine one way or another.

You know, the settings can say what they want to say, and believers can say what they want to say, but at the end of the day, we don't have enough data to determine to make a valid and complete determination.

Lee, what was your opinion of the video out of Yemen?

Well, if it was a hell fire missile, where was the explosion.

There was no real explosion there.

It looked like you had parts in debris coming off of the object as it wobbled, you know, going its same trajectory.

So I'm I'm.

Skeptical on what that is.

Do I think it's a UFO?

I have no idea, but their explanation and what I saw didn't match up.

Well.

The one thing that I learned about it is the hell fire missile travels at about mock one point three, so just over nine hundred miles an hour, okay, and it has I believe, a detonation of around one minute into flight.

That's when it gets armed, so it had to been fired prior to that when it made connection with whatever.

This was.

Now one of the things that I learned, and talking to a couple people that I know from my sources and science Bob confirmed this a couple of weeks ago.

Regarding this, when you were in a combat area or a potential conflict area and you see something strange covering even though it could be American technology that you were seeing that you don't know about that the CIA has, or the Army doesn't know what the Navy has in the Navy doesn't know what the Air Force has, so on, so forth, it's better to shoot it down and say sorry, rather than allowing it to potentially cause casualties or death in a situation.

And one of the things that I heard about this was that when the hell fire missile was shot at it, it was to try and knock it down and get rid of it because it was in a close territory to US soldiers.

So that may have been the reason why the hell fire was was fired at it.

But what it was we don't know.

It looks like a boogas fear getting hit and then piece is flying off, but we don't have the speed, We don't have the understanding of what the object is.

Could it have been a satellite or a drone, could have been Courtney your thoughts.

I thought it was a little bit more damning for our case on the advocacy efforts, because you know, when we've had other peace people like pilots report these objects and they're giving their first hand, you know, witness.

They're also talking about what happened in the cockpit.

You're also getting all the data like the flear, the thermal all that to see what's propelling it if it's anomalous.

And so we see this footage entered in.

There's no providence around it, there's no pilot, you know, testimony around it.

What was happening at the cockpit either, And so I thought it was footage from the Houthie from the Houthy Yemen strikes that were happening, you know, when there was all this escalation.

I think it was around in March, and so I didn't think it was just definitive one way or the other.

And so I felt like they should have kept it out actually of the hearing, without having all that other data around it to give more compelling information to show it was an actual UFO footage, because a lot of people afterwards were asking, why are we shooting UFOs down?

You know what, you know, what reasoning do they have?

You know, and this is not necessarily good you know, military action if they're shooting at UFO.

So it raised this other ethical question which some people, like theologians like philosophy professor Kreipel down at Race University has talked about, like we shouldn't be shooting down UFOs without knowing who the documents are or the pilots or any of that.

So I thought it was actually a little bit more damning to the UFO community for that reason.

Shane, let's go to you final word.

Similar comments.

Yep, you know, intriguing video, but considering it it's.

An a war zone.

Whenever I hear of UFO reports in any kind of combat area, I just I that the uncertainty goes way up.

Josh was kind of alluding to it in his comments, where we just wouldn't have enough data.

There's not enough information to tell what it was, you know, one way or another.

It clearly, you know, was unique, but it was clearly within the realms of possibility of being prosaic.

So just not enough data there.

And we get this a lot around the US Mexico border here in Arizona, and we get a lot of cases down there.

There.

There's NSSA, there, there's Davis Month and Air Force Base border patrol.

They have so many toys in the air at any given time you could probably have a flying pyramid, a flying saucer and or drone and something all in one spot.

I mean, it's just crazy down there.

So but the problem is, with all those possibilities, your certainty on making identification drops.

And I think that's what this video is.

It's it's intriguing, but there's not enough there to do anything with.

Fortunately, all right, October pretty much gave us a reprieve that we could all breathe.

After an exciting nine months, we go into November, where the big story was, and we've already talked about this, the Age of Disclosure finally being released, the public getting a chance to see it.

But there was a little bit more that happened in November as well, and that also included you know that half of Americans during a study said they believe that extraterrestrial visitation is likely in the United States.

I think that's a high stat but I'm like, gosh, dar in America, you're waking up to the reality.

But it really shows And the reason why I brought this up is it really shows that what's happened, especially over the last eight years, is working.

People are starting to investigate the subject.

Shane, Yeah, absolutely love it.

That's you know, that's the reason.

And I'm not trying to plug my book, but I have a book and I wrote it specifically because of what happened in twenty seventeen when TTSA came out and the taboo was lightened, you know, a little bit, and credible people started giving it credible attention.

And we know what it's led to now is there's almost no taboo.

There is for people in certain fields under certain circumstances, but the general public has always had an interest, just hasn't felt comfortable expressing it.

So when I wrote that book, it was with the idea that there's going to be hordes of people coming into.

This eufology basically, and.

I want to give them a clear and succinct kind of set of information about it.

They didn't have to fall down all these different rabbit holes that we kind of all fall down when you first get involved.

Make it clear and concise and what the important issues are and what some of the pitfalls are, that kind of thing.

And I think that's what we're seeing is with that taboo having been lifted for enough years that so many people now are demonstrating that interest.

And of course, unfortunately social media is going to be, you know, the greatest exposure, and you know, you have to just be really careful with that because we know hoaxing and all sorts of missing identification, misinformation, active misinformation, all of that is out there, so you have to be pretty discerning.

Love it, absolutely, love it, Lee.

I know you love these type of reports.

I mean, you're pretty happy that your fellow Americans are starting to come to the open eyed side of this phenomena.

Actually, Dave, I would I would suspect or I would believe or like to believe the fact that it would be more than fifty percent.

I would think it would be up around seventy percent.

And maybe this shows that the fact that it's at fifty percent, that you have fifty percent of Americans that don't necessarily trust what the government is telling them.

So maybe we look at it at a different different angle, so to speak.

You know.

Ever, since I can remember being a kid and seeing all these reports, I just I just think for myself that the number would be much higher.

We're going to continue it on and I'm not trying to ignore Courtney or Josh on this part, but I do want to spend some time here in December and kind of maybe had a quick rundown of twenty twenty six from everybody December.

Once again, just like Santa Claus coming on Christmas Eve to deliver presents another bag of coal for the NDAA, where UFOs and UAP are scrapped.

Once again, Courtney, this is another one where we knew it was going to happen.

We knew it was going to happen.

Schumer rounds Bill when it comes to UAP always gets exiled.

Well, I would just encourage everybody to go back and watch our last one that we did when we did the whole rundown on all the political history around the NDAA and its various rounds of attendant passage which has been up multiple times and the parts of it that were adopted.

It did go through, did go through.

We mentioned that earlier, the Recordization Act, which is really the most robust part of it that has been past and is there working on it on getting the records all up online.

But yeah, you know, failures all across the board.

There was some scuttle but some changes to it trying to get it back through.

But there's so much more that's been happening on outside of Congress on the UFO scene, where people like whistleblowers are talking about things openly now.

So I think the NDA is not going to be the hot topic moving forward.

I think it's going to be the what's going on with people who were in Congress now moving forward with their own age advocacy efforts.

People like Jeff Nussatelly I think is his name.

He's been talking some really big game being out on the scene now.

I'm not sure if you guys have seen it, but one of the things he just said recently that there was still stuff going on in Congress and they were still working on it.

But he was talking about how podcasts have been infiltrated by the FBI by the FEDS.

Has anybody heard that?

I just heard that.

Yes, I thought you'd be interested in that, so I wanted to share that with you tonight.

We've known that for a while.

That has been a big, big story within behind the scenes of the UFO community.

Martin Willis and I actually from podcast UFO.

Him and I had that conversation in San Francisco at UFO con earlier this year, So it's not surprising.

And there are a lot of names, especially on X that are being called out for it, and that's why I think you see a lot big war of the world's Okay, five minutes to go, guys, Josh, I'm going to start with you on this one because we are going to get to twenty twenty six.

What do you see happening next year?

What is your prediction in the UFO world?

Well, if you were asked me before fifteen minutes ago, when Courtney told me they got subpoena, power out has said we probably won't see another hearing and if we do, we will just see aegirt information.

But maybe now that they you know, Luna and her task worse, maybe have uh, you know, sleep subpoena power, maybe we'll see an actual like real teeth hearing uh in twenty twenty six where some real you know, uh mind or our groundbreaking information will come forward that will actually significantly push the conversation forward in the right direction.

I mean, I think the conversation what got so far has been interesting nonetheless, but actually stuff that will allow us to go off and dig and find, you know, more information and link more things together on our on our on our virtual or you know, physical uh bulletin boards with all the red string going everywhere.

Like that's the part that we miss.

We don't we don't have any new faces to add to the board.

We don't have any new events to add to the board.

We're missing that.

So maybe in twenty twenty six we'll actually get some new faces, new events, new names that will help us make more connections and figure things out and push the ball forward.

How about for you, Lee.

Man, I'm going to pass on this one.

No no, no, no, no, you're not allowed.

I'm not letting you not letting you have to I'll come back to you.

I'll come back to you.

Shane Hurd, the Beard of Knowledge, what does it have forecasted?

Yeah, for twenty twenty six.

Uh, I feel like something substantial is going to occur, and that it's just like a gut feeling.

You know, I'm not privty anything, but the vibe is just feeling feeling like like something's.

Significant, significant, bent something, but it just you know, And I think this continued pressure by these difference and the more I think, the more resists and difficult it is for them as an indicator that they're getting closer and it's some more sensitive issues.

So we'll we'll see how that continues to go.

I think I think something significant is gonna break, all.

Right, Courtney Marcusani six.

You know, I had heard that Trump was you know, briefed a couple of months ago, and that he had set a date in January I think was the eighth of the ninth for his disclosure speech, and then I heard he moved it after we all saw you know, Steven Spielberg's you know, big thing in Times Square for disclosure day coming, you know, then Trump moved the disclosure speech to like, you know, the fourth of July, so I'm having all these flashbacks you know, about Independence Day and the invasion and you know, all this kind of converging in one moment.

So for the new year, I'm going to be watching that, of course, the disclosure speech and if that's even real or a possibility, I'm going to be watching for disclosure Day of course, and doing breakdowns on that, very similar to what I did with Age's disclosure before it came out, you know, preparing everybody, all the experiencers anyway, so they're ready for it and what that's going to mean for the wider world that entertainment project.

That's it, all right, Lee, you're still silent on this one, well obviously good.

Oh, Shane's right, there's something afoot because everybody can feel it.

It seems like the vibration is, you know, been ticked up a couple of notches here.

I don't know what's going to happen, you know, there seems to be more and more and more people coming forward talking about their experiences, and I imagine that'll continue and eventually I imagine.

It'll be a wave and mine quickly for twenty twenty six, if you remember the movie Signs and now you watch Disclosure Day the premiere of it, or the video of the sounds.

I think in twenty twenty six we start hearing more people talking about the clicking sounds that the alleged Grays and Aliens make.

I've heard it for myself.

It's a weird sound, and I think that's going to be the big story for the experience.

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