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Hey, everybody, and welcome back to episode one hundred and fifty seven of Beyond the Shadows.

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So there's a newly released video this week of a US Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen.

I don't know if you guys have seen that yet.

Yeah, this was from came straight out of a congressional hearing.

Yep, it's another one of those whistleblowers.

Yes, yea.

So it was recorded October of last year, so it's almost a year old if you haven't seen it.

It's a US hell fire missile striking a an orb a UFO that's what they're calling it because that's what it is.

And the health fire missile doesn't explode.

It changes direct changed.

Yeah, its just like kind of bounces off.

It doesn't explode.

That's not what a hell fire missile does.

And the object that it hit was knocked into like three or four pieces, but the pieces continue to travel with it.

Yeah, it remight be like it's like I don't know, like slime or something, you know, and it's you know how like the blob you rip it apart and like the two exists.

That's what it was like.

It's it's like they knocked pieces off of it and it continued on the exact same path.

That's crazy.

It was nuts.

It made me think of like a flock of birds, like how they always seem to know what every other bird is going to do, Like when one moves.

They all fucking move.

It's crazy.

Yeah, that's what that did.

It's it's like an intelligent.

Yeah, I mean, what what the fuck is that?

It makes?

It?

Hit it?

A couple of pieces came off.

The missile was just redirected.

Whatever it was, it.

Ricocheted off the side, and then those things just continue they like move around almost like information and follow the object the pieces.

Unreal, whatever the hell it is.

I had no idea.

It's crazy video.

I mean, yeah, it's a UFO.

Say it's alien.

What the fuck is it?

Is that all organism that's alive?

Is it a fucking UFO?

You're not supposed to know?

I guess not.

Man, it's baffling.

You've already said too much.

The men in black cou I don't know anything about it.

I haven't seen a video.

Don't watch it.

So anyways, what do we got in the news this week?

Pal?

So?

We get a child in Shanghai, China that has yet to be issued a birth certificate nor scheduled for any vaccinations.

And this is a full year after the kid was born.

Yes, the reason is because the parents cannot agree on a name.

A year later, a year.

Later, they still can't come together on the name, and they were doing some ship to try to name the kid too, but one over the.

Other, so they're actually getting divorced at this point, the logical step divorced.

Each one of them went to the hospital separately without the other one, trying to get their name on the on the documentation, and the hospital is like, no, it doesn't work that way down So as right now, the kid's name is still like right name here, you.

Know, Yeah, baby baby boy do or whatever.

That's what he's gonna be listed on like the divorce documents.

Yeah, baby boy.

He can figure out where Baby Boy's gonna live.

And Baby Boy just dropped his first.

Album Magic getting divorced over that, right, I mean, obviously they had to be deeper problems if that's what broke it.

Where was this?

I forget Shanghai.

I mean maybe it must be more important to them, probably for the name.

I don't know.

That's one of the few things we did agree on.

Normal people agree on the name and then get divorced over everything.

Yeah, right name was the only thing we agreed.

That's the way it's done here.

So we have an eighty year old woman in Japan.

She recently met and fell in love with an astronaut online.

Uh.

He apparently worked for a space agency and was stuck on a spacecraft that was orbiting Earth.

So when he contacted herd that his spacecraft was quote under attack and he was running low on oxygen, please send help.

There was only one thing that could save him.

If she could be so kind as to just depause a sixty eight hundred dollars electron electronically into a series of bank accounts, he would be able to purchase the oxygen he needed to return home.

Oh phew, she didn't sniff this out.

She sent him the money.

But thank god he got the oxygen.

Yeah, I mean he saved his life.

They're gonna get Without her, the dude would have been done for.

How did he purchase the oxygen?

He just hit up a convenience store up in space.

It's exact Amazon, I think.

So.

Yeah, she's getten scammed.

If you read through that article, She's not the first person to fall for this exact same Nope, another aster Yeah, the other one was an asteroid.

This guy's running low on oxygen, but another guy had to be saved from an asteroid, and please send cash.

My shields are low.

Yeah.

Police in Germany were called to an apartment building in Schwabach, Bavaria by concerned residents.

Doorbells all over the complex were ringing in the middle of the night and no one was sure who was outside what was going on.

So they were thinking it was like a organized thieves.

Yeah, it was either some kids actual thieves.

I didn't know what the hell was going on, but it was happening all over the complex.

Uh.

The most concerning part to them was that when everybody went to their doorbell cams, there was nothing there, but the doorbells were going off.

So police respond off ghost without a doubt, it's getting spooky season yep.

So police come out in mass, guns drawn all that ship and the mysterious intruder.

Was a slug, so they put six slugs in him.

They tasted it was a big ass, slimy slug crawling across the doorbell panel.

He was just setting them.

All Off's that would scare the ship out of you.

If you're looking out the door.

And there's nothing there.

Yeah, right as you're looking out, there's nothing there and the doorbell's going off.

What the fuck have some of these people send us a fire pit about how their doorbell was going on by itself.

I don't know why that one amusing the shit out.

Yeah, me too, me too.

That's it for the news.

What do you got going on this week?

So I am doing a mountain of mystery.

I don't know if you guys have heard of Mountaineer, but seems like a whole lot of people like to go missing on Mountaineer.

So we're going to talk about that, all.

Right, looking forward to it.

We are right back.

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All right?

Before I get started, a few things about mountaineer.

Mountaineer is known for having a large amount of UFO activity.

That's one of the things.

And there's a conspiracy that's kind of tied that people believe is tied to some of This is one that I don't know if you've heard this, but like some people believe that Eisenhower claimed that that he secretly met with aliens at Edward Air Force Base in nineteen fifty four and signed a pack which allowed them to actually abduct folks from national parks like like Rinier or Yosemite or whatever.

I've never heard of that.

And this, I mean, there's no hard proof of it.

There's a whole story.

I think I was listening to all things outrageously dark, scary, beautiful.

Yeah, I think that she did something else.

She did a lot of conspiracies, Kelly, and I think she talked.

About it, but home state.

Yeah.

So anyways, there's a I'm gonna have to look into that.

It could be a good, good episode.

But anyways, there's there's no hard proof of it.

But there's something that calls like a template.

It's like a missing four to eleven template.

There where certain people that they think that fell under this.

They have certain things that happen like an I'll kind of go through it in the story a little bit, but just so you if you hear the four eleven three, that's what I'm talking about, all right.

Mount Rainier looms over Washington State.

It's fourteen thoy four hundred and ten foot peaked, a beacon of beauty and danger.

The volcanic giant draws climbers, hikers, and dreamers to his trails, but for some, it's a place where journeys end mysteries.

Since records begin, over four hundred people have gone missing at Mount Rainier National Park without many without explanation.

That seems astronomically a huge amount.

I think it's four hundred and change.

Their fate swallowed.

Some people were possibly swallowed by glaciers, lost in the forest, or maybe even something stranger.

From nineteen ninety nine to twenty twenty, these individuals experienced climbers, season hike and ordinary visitors disappeared on trails, peaks, and even near park boundaries.

A climber unclipped his rope at thirteen thoy nine hundred feet.

A professor vanished on the popular Loop, leaving a single water bottle.

Years later, three men cars were found abandoned by the same bridge.

Nobodies, no traces despite massive searches.

So we're going to go through some of the different cases of people who disappeared.

First off, we get the disappearance of Eric Lewis July first, twenty ten.

On July first, twenty ten, Eric Lewis, a fifty seven year old experienced climber from Deval, Washington, vanished while ascending Mount Rainier via the Gibraltar Ledge Route.

Lewis, accompanied by climbing partners Don Storm Junior and Trevor Lane, begin the ascent early that morning.

The group aimed to some at the fourteen thy four hundred and ten foot peak, a challenging climb requiring technical skills and endurance.

Lewis was known for his climbing experience, having tackled other peaks in the Cascades.

The team was roped together for safety, a standard practice in high altitude mountaineering to prevent falls into crevasses or down steep slopes.

You call crevasses or crevices.

They're crevasses, right, Crevis, We're going with trevasse.

I'm pretty sure that's right.

At approximately thirteen nine hundred feet near the summit, storm and Lane paused to rest in deteriorating weather conditions characterized by high winds and low visibility due to the clouds.

You're up that high man, you're in the clouds, you know.

Yeah.

Literally.

Lewis was at the end of the rope a short distance behind.

When the pair pulled on the rope to check his position.

They retrieved only a coil with a butterfly knot, indicating Lewis had unclipped himself moments earlier.

They believed they had seen him through the fog, though visibility was poor, no sound of distress or evidence of a fall were reported.

The sudden absence of Lewis prompted an immediate call for help.

A search operation began that day, involving over forty personnel, including climbing rangers, ground teams, and a Chinook helicopter for aerial support.

The search focused on Gibraltar's Ledge and the surrounding areas, including potential crevasse zones and avalanche prone slopes.

On July third, searchers located Lewis's backpack in a snow cave at approximately thirteen thousand, six hundred feet, roughly three hundred feet below his last known location.

The cave appeared intentionally dug, possibly for shelter, and contained Lewis's gear, including clothing and food supplies.

No footprints, blood, or other traces were found.

The search continued until July fourth, where it was scaled back due to hazardous conditions and lack of additional evidence.

Eric Lewis's body was never recovered and his remains listed as missing.

The official theory poses that Lewis sccumbed to an accident, likely disoriented by the white out conditions in high altitude.

Hypothermia or altitude sickness could have impaired his judgment, leading him to unclip from the rope.

But you would think if someone was to uncliped from a rope, that we're having those kind of issues in your tethered to them, you'd know it.

You'd think you would feel the lack of.

If someone's freaking out or they're having that kind of stuff going on.

You would think you would think you'd feel him on hook.

You know, if you get a rope, if it's I don't know how much slack is in it, but you would think you could feel that.

I would imagine if the wind was aling and stuff, who knows.

Yeah, that's true.

The weather was getting shitty, so leading him to unclip from the rope, perhaps to a just gear or seek shelter.

But he's gonna go seek shelter without even telling the people above him.

All it takes is a tug on that rope to let him know.

Or maybe he fell into a hidden crevice.

Mount Rainea's glaciers are riddled with crevasses some hundreds of feet deep, capable of concealing a body indefinitely.

Avalanches common on Gibraltar's ledge could have buried him this.

No fresh debris was noted during the search.

The absence of his snap rope or distress signals complicated this explanation, as experienced climbers typically remain tethered together in such conditions.

Alternate explate explanations consider human error or intentional action.

Lewis may have unclipped deliberately, perhaps due to a mental life apps or a miscommunication with the team.

File plays unlikely, as his partners were close and reported no conflict and no evidence suggested external involvement.

The discovery of his backpack in a snow cave raises questions.

Did Louis digget himself seeking refuge, only to wander off, or was the pack placed there by another party.

There's also paranormal theories that gained traction due to Mount Rainier's reputation for the unexplained disappearances.

The missing four to eleven phenomenon that I mentioned earlier, documented by David Pallades.

Palates highlights cases where individuals vanish in national parks under strange circumstances, often leaving minimal trace.

Lewis's case fit this pattern.

An experienced individual who suddenly disappeared and a single clue the back It's found later on Native American tribes, including the pull Up and the Yakama.

We know these are not right, regard Rainier or Tacoma as a sacred site with spiritual guardians.

Some legends suggest the mountains claim those who disrespect its power, potentially explaining Lewis's vanishing without a trace.

UFO activity reported around Rainier since Kenneth Arnold's nineteen forty seven sighting fuels speculation of abduction, with the unclipped rope suggesting a sudden removal from the scene.

There's also cryptid theories, particularly involving Sasquatch.

This persists due to reported sightings in the cascade, though no physical evidence links any creatures to Lewis's case, so there's also plenty of sightings.

Suppose the sightings of Bigfoot mountaineer.

Yeah, I would imagine.

Now, with everything that we've talked about, do you connect Bigfoot to UFOs or I don't.

Personally, no, I don't a lot of people do.

My first instinct when you're telling the story, I know a lot of people get ken this guy's experience, but people getting confused at altitude and doing weird shit is not unheard of, right.

My first thought was that he might have got fucked up in the head briefly non clipped himself, but where's his body?

The search would have still found his body.

Right, And I just I also just think I'm not a climber, obviously.

I just feel like if you're hooked together the person above, you would at least feel some kind of distress belong.

They're not that far apart, right, I guess.

Climbing Everest, and it looks like they're probably good twenty five feet apart.

But I mean that's enough of rope that if you felt somebody fiddling with it to undo it on the other end, you would think you would think, you know.

If all of a sudden you're pulling an empty rope, I would think you would notice, But I don't know.

So this correlates with other Mount Raineer disappearances that are notable, like Sam de Ball in twenty twenty and Joel Wood Junior in nineteen ninety nine.

Lewis vanished with minimal evidence despite extensive searches.

This pattern of experienced individuals disappearing in highly visible areas, often with a single item left behind.

This aligns with the missing four to eleven criteria.

The lack of a body despite helicopter searches with thermal imaging suggesting an unusual force, nature or otherwise as at play, Lewis's disappearance remains unsolved, a haunting reminder of Mountaineer's unforgiving nature and its unexplained mysteries.

So that's the first number two we've got.

The disappearance of Sam de Ball October ninth, twenty twenty, my birthday.

On October ninth, twenty twenty, doctor Sam Deball a third, a thirty three year old anthropology professor at the University of Washington, disappeared while hiking the Mother Mountain Loop trail near Mowich Lake and Mount Verineer's National Park.

D Baal, an experienced hiker with the history of tackling challenging routes, including in the Himalayans, embarked on a solo overnight hike.

He was well equipped with a tent, sleeping bag, snow gear, a cell phone with a charger, and significant food and water.

His plan was to complete the seventeen mile loop in return by October tenth.

When he failed to return, friends reported him missing on October twelfth, initiating a large scale search The Mother Mountain Loop is a moderately strenuous trail popular among hikers with scenic views but no extreme hazards under normal conditions.

However, a storm struck on October tenth, bringing heavy rain that wore washed out the Carbon River, crossing a critical point on the loop.

This may have disrupted Duval's route.

Search efforts involved approximately fifty personnel, including ground teams, helicopter equipped with forward looking infrared radar cameras, drones, and scent dogs.

The search covered the trails and surrounding areas, focusing on riverbanks, forced his slopes and potential camp sites.

No traces were found during the initial effort, no tent, clothing or sign of a struggle.

In October twenty twenty three, three years later, a hiker discovered a distinctive water bottle near Mother Mountains Loop, later confirmed as the Balls.

His remains the only physical evidence recovered.

Despite extensive searches.

His body gear and other belongings were never located, and the case remains open.

The prevailing theory suggests of all was caught in the October tenth storm, which could have led to disorientation or an accident.

The washout Carbon river crossing may have forced him to attempt a dangerous fording, potential resulting in a drowning or injury.

How high up on the mountain is this he was?

I don't know if it's said how high he was he was it's on a seventeen mile loop.

It doesn't say how high out, but it's and it's not.

They said it's it's tough, but it's not crazy extreme.

Okay, you know people do this one all the time.

Hypothermia is another possibility, as temperatures drop significantly during the storm, and even experience hikers can circumb to wet cold conditions.

The absence of his body complicates this theory, though, as the Carbon River was searched extensively, no remains were found downstream.

Could have been animal preditation, such as bears or cougars.

It's unlikely, though, so there's no signs of an attack anywhere we're discovered.

Alternate explanations include devolved becoming lost and wandering off trail into a denser terrain.

Whereas gear may have been buried by natural elements like mud, sline or fallen branches.

You think that stuff would pop up later on down the road.

If his water bottle popped up.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Suicide is considered improbable, as de Vault was recently started a covenant academic position and showed no documented signs of distress.

Foul play is also unluckily given the remote location and lack of evidence suggesting other persons were involved.

And then there's a paranormal theories that due to Mountaineer's history.

The missing four to eleven framework notes patterns.

In de Ball's case, he's an experienced individual suddenly disappeared on a known trail, and a single item, the water bottle, was found years later, just like with a backpack in the last case.

The water bottles discovery, isolated intact, aligns with stories of objects left as markers by other worldly forces.

UFO activity frequently reported in the Cascades suggest a possible abduction, with the bottle left behind as a remnant.

It's also sasquatch theories in this case too.

I think there is on anyone goes missing up there.

Next, we've got the disappearance of Edwin Birch July twelfth, twenty fourteen.

On July twelve, twenty fourteen, Edwin Birch A sixty four year old resident of Tacoma, Washington, disappeared while hiking the Underland Trail in Mountaineer's National Park.

Birch and his son planned a nineteen mile day hike, starting from opposite ends Box Canyon and White River campgrounds, a meeting at Indian Bar shelter.

The Wonderland Trail is a ninety three mile loop encircling the mountain known for its scenic but rugged terrain.

Birch, while not an expert hiker, was in good health and carried standard gear, including a backpack, water, and snacks.

At Indian Bar, approximately halfway through the hike, Burch met his son as planned.

He appeared tired but reported no significant issues.

After resting, they continued with his son hiking ahead towards White River.

Birch failed to arrive at the trailhead, prompting his son to alert authorities.

A search operation began immediately, involving ground teams, helicopters, and sent dogs.

The effort focused on a trail between Indian Bar and White River, as well as off trail areas including nearby rivers and forest slopes.

No evidence was found during the initial search, no backpack, clothing or signs of a fall or struggle.

In twenty fifteen, hikers discovered human remains near Fryingpan Glacier above Summerland, approximately two miles off trail from Birch's last known location.

The remains were later identified as birches, with the likely cause of death attributed to exposure or a fall, but no specific injuries such as fractures, were documented, and the exact circumstances of his deviation from the trail remained unclear.

The official explanation suggests Birch became disoriented, possibly due to fatigue or mild altitude effects, and wandered off the trail into more hazardous train, but he was a good distance off By the time they found him.

He was two miles into the woods.

Yeah it's way of trail YEP.

The Woodland Trail, while marked, passes through areas with steep drop offs and dense vegetation where a misstep could lead to a fall or entrapment.

Exposure to the elements, particularly at high elevations, could have caused hypothermia, especially in Bert, if Birch was unprepared for a prolonged stay outdoors.

The discovery of his remains off trail support his theory, though the distance from the trail raises questions about how far he traveled so far without detection, And then you get the alternate theories.

It could have been a medical event such as a heart attack or stroke, causing him a de stray and collapse, however no medical history supports this.

Then there's animal counter as if possible, but there was no sign of an attack, and then foul play once again not likely as Birch was with his son earlier and there's no evidence suggests the third party was around or involved.

And then once again paranormal explanations are considered.

Due to the reputation the missing four to one one phenomena highlights cases like Birch's where individuals vanish on these established trails and stuff, leaving no immediate trace.

But they did find his body, so it's not exactly the same as the other ones.

B many claim those who venture too far like Birch.

Off trail remains fitting for this narrative, though UFO theories linked to this region and histories of siting proposed abduction with his body later deposited in a remote area like the UFOs took him, and then that's just fitting a narrative.

You know, at that point right there, this dude was.

This is one I truly believe the dude just went off to them.

I've gotten turned around in the woods many times.

Really easy to get lost.

Why you would wander off the trail was hard to say, right, Once you get lost, it's really easy to get real fuck.

It's really easy to get completely turned around.

Oh yeah, yeah, completely turned around.

The only thing is like with these stories where it comes at hard, like nobody ever found anything but the one item.

It's just that so many people hike these trails, you know.

It's not like these are just off in the woods where nobody's at.

These are trails that are well established trails that thousands upon thousands of people try, you know, hike all the time.

So when someone does go missing, it's like, hmm, especially when they never find anything.

This this one was found.

I'm not buying for a second that the UFO has brought his body back.

No, I mean, hold on, hold on.

We just traveled to Alpha Centauri.

We got to drop him off.

We got to drop him back off a home probably about two miles from where we left a body.

Actress, This one tastes Rable all Right their fourth one.

This was the clustered disappearance of Michael Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin Chase in twenty twenty.

In twenty twenty, three men Michael Zachary Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin Chase, all in their early thirty thirties, disappeared near Fairfax Bridge and Carbon Carbonado, Washington, close to Mountaineer's National Park Northwest boundaries.

Each case involved in an abandoned vehicle found near the bridge, spinning the Carbon River, with no signs of struggle of foul play.

The similarities in the cases occurring within the same year in location make them particularly perplexing.

Michael Fortonberry, thirty one, from Bonnie Lake, Washington, was last seen on February ninth, twenty twenty.

His car was discovered near Fairfax Bridge, empty with no note or indication of his intentions.

Search efforts include divers in the Carbon River, ground teams sent dogs and drones covering the surrounding forest riverbanks.

There was no trace, no body, no clothing or gear.

Wherever found.

Nathan Lerner, approximately thirty, vanished later in twenty twenty.

His vehicle was also found near Fairfax Bridge, similarly abandoned.

Limited details are available on the exact date of the circumstances, but the search married Fortonberry's involving aerial and ground efforts with no result.

His body and belongings still remain missing.

Austin Chase, also in his early thirties, disappeared in the same timeframe, with his car located near Fairfax Bridge.

As with the use the others, no evidence of a struggle or destination, or no evidence of struggle was found.

Searches across the rugged terrain near the bridge and park boundaries yielded no clue, and his fate remains unknown.

The official theories supposed that each man may have succumbed to an accident or an intentional act.

The carbon rivers, fast moving and deep, could have swept them away in the attempts to cross, or maybe they fell from the bridge.

Suicide is considered as abandoned cars near bridges sometimes indicate such intent, but no bodies or personal effects were ever recovered downstream, which is unusual.

Hypothermia exposure is possible given the February to fall timeline, though the lack of gear or traces complicates this.

Foul play is another theory, potentially involving a serial offender targeting men in the area.

However, no evidence such as de signs of violence or witnesses supporting this.

The men may have left voluntarily abandoning their vehicles, but the similar profiles and lack of prior distress makes this unlikely.

Then you get the paranormal theories are prominent due to the fact that all of these were so consistent.

The Fairbanks Bridge of proximity to Mountaineer ties it to the park's reputation for these unexplained vanishings.

The missing four to one one framework knows patterns of multiple disappearance in specific areas with the abandoned vehicles and no traces.

So I don't know those three.

It's so weird that they all went missing rate in the same spot.

I could see that being a suicide, but there was never a suicide note left.

Yeah, one of them sounds like a suicide, any one of them, but right, three of them.

Three of them all so close together, exactly the same and they all disappear.

That's super suspicious.

So but I mean, I don't know.

Maybe that's a treasure treacherous spot, but I mean, they're all real close together, all three of them in a short timeframe, all in the same spot, all went missing and never been recovered.

Is this like a highbridge close to the ground or is it?

I don't know.

Yeah, that's in the tough question.

Well, sometimes like those National Park bridges are right above the river and other times right it's right at the river.

I would say suicide's unlikely.

But if they're dumping off the high right, yeah, I mean it's a They say the river is rough running, it's like, no joke, the current's pretty.

But which could have I could see them being washed down river.

But typically if someone goes in the river, they usually find the body.

Not always, but I mean you're at what in Washington.

By the time that washed to the ocean.

You know, chances that they wouldn't find all three of them is pretty low.

I would think, yeah, yep, So I don't know.

Then we've got the disappearance of Joe Wood Junior July seventh, nineteen ninety On July seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Joe Wood Junior, a thirty four year old journalist from New York, disappeared while visiting Mountaineer's National Park Wood was attending a journalism conference in Seattle, but left after the opening session, renting a car and dividing and driving eighty seven miles to the park.

He entered via the Nisqually entrance at one twenty two pm and was last seen at four point fifteen pm on the Comet Falls Trail, a one point eight mile path leading to a three hundred and twenty foot waterfall.

Three hikers reported seeing him approximately four hundred yards from the falls, appearing normal with the backpacking camera.

A seventeen day search began after Wood failed to return, involving one hundred and twenty one personnel, eight cent dog teams, and helicopters with thermal imaging.

The efforts covered twenty eight miles square, focusing on the trails surrounding forests and areas near the fall.

No evidence was found, no backpack, no camera, no clothing or signs of a fall.

The trail is short and well traveled, making the absence of clues, particularly striking Wood's body and belongings still remain missing.

The official theory suggests Wood fell into a ravine or crevasse near the falls as the trail passes rocky terrain with steep drops.

The Van Trump Creek, which runs alongside it, could have carried remains away.

Hypothermia is possible, though July weather is pretty mild.

Wood's lack of hiking experience may have led to a misstep, but the trail's accessibility and the presence of other hikers made this less likely.

Then you've get all the other explanations like disorientation causing him to wander off.

He could have succumbed to exposure or suicide is probably unlikely.

He has no evidence suggesting that he was just stressed.

The conference attendance indicated he was engaged.

Foul play is possible, but improbable due to the remote location and lack of witnesses.

A sign of a struggle.

So another one with the body is just the going missing hiking and stuff like that.

You can understand, it's just when they never recover the bodies.

It can happen, but it just doesn't seem Over four hundred people have gone missing.

Out in the nature, though.

I think the bodies disappear pretty quickly between animals.

They can be broken down, They can be.

Surely walked right over a body and not found it for years.

But yeah, but the bodies do, but typically the equipment doesn't break down as fast.

You know, a lot of synthetics and stuff, especially with hiking equipment and coats and warm weather gear stuff, that shit's built the last.

Yeah, And you know that's the kind of stuff you think you'd see washed up and possibly people see it and don't know.

I don't know, but you would think the body parts would be with it still.

But you know, like if there's a backpack out in the wild, if they had a backpack they're hiking with, you think that would still be around somewhere.

Even if a bear or whatever tore a person apart, they might tear up the backpack, but those remains last forever.

You know.

It wasn't it?

Uh didn't they find the parachute to uh jump out of the plane?

I did the story, BB Cooper.

I mean that was like forever after it happened.

Right, I don't never heard that they found his parachute.

I don't.

I think that was something more recent.

I would have to look into it.

If they found may I may have just made it up.

If they found his parachute, I never heard it.

Well, they there was something that came out in that case.

I think we talked about it.

I found some new things later.

Yeah, but there's some possibility that they know who would be is now.

I think at the revisit from that we yep, all right, and then I think this is my last story.

This is number six.

The disappearance of Karen Skyes June eighteenth, twenty fourteen.

On June eighteenth, twenty fourteen, Karen Sky's, a seventy year old experienced hiker an outdoor writer from Seattle, disappeared while hiking the aUI Hi Lakes Trail and Mountaineer National Park.

Sky's, known for her guide books and extensive knowledge of the park, was hiking with a partner at approximately five thousand feet in snowy conditions.

She told her partner she would scout ahead on the trail.

When she failed to return, her partner alerted authorities and initiated a search.

So this isn't like no, she's seventy, yes, but she's an avid hiker.

She's literally written, you know, guidebooks, so she's no joke.

The search involved ground teams, helicopters, and scent dogs, focusing on the trail and surrounding rugged terrain.

On June twenty first, twenty eighteen.

Sky's body was found off trail in a steep, rocky area near the trail.

The cause of death was not definitely determined, with exposure or a fall considered likely.

No significant injuries such as fractures, were reported, and the exact reason for her deviation from the trail remains unclear.

The official explanation says that Sky became disoriented in the snowy conditions, wandered off trail, and succumbed to hyperthermia or a fall.

The aUI Hi Lake trails, while scenic, includes steep sections and snow fields, especially at higher elevation, Even experienced hikers can lose their way in low visibility.

The discovery of her body relatively quickly suggests she remained in the area, though her off trail location is puzzling.

Alternate theories include a medical event.

Like we've said before, it could have been a heart attack causing her to stray off course, but she didn't have medical She may have been seventy, but she was healthy as they get a seventy years old.

No but, and it could have been an animal counter.

I mean, if you see a big bear in the trail, you may go off trail real quick.

Even if you did write the guys, you know most of us would.

Yeah, you never know what kind of animal might I was just telling Ryan that the deer almost stopped my little dog this morning when went out the door, and Old Jack saw a deer in her baby out front of the house, and the baby took off.

A mom started coming after the dog stopping on the ground, had to swoop him up and save his life.

I'm kind of a hero anyways.

So anyway, she didn't have any real medical history.

It could have been an animal counter but there was no nothing found that anything had caused that foul play was also improbitable given the remote location.

So her Karen Sky's death it remains a mystery.

This highlights the Mountain's unpredictable dangers.

So, I mean there's just case after case after case.

That's a lot.

I mean I just did six, but it was it was three.

There was nine different people.

None of them jumped off the page at me as like, oh my god, this is supernatural.

But when you throw together the sheer volume of them.

That's yeah.

You know, they all sound like they could have they could have been literal just sircumbing to the whatever in the water washed away into her boss.

But it does sound like there's a shipload.

But there's a ton of uh, I don't know, like people that believe there's a lot of stuff going on on mountain air.

Yeah, you know, I mean that's a lot of people to go missing, but I guess it depends on the number of people that are hiking those trails too.

You know, if you four hundred people's a shit ton of people that go missing.

But if you got you know, one hundred thousand people going through, the numbers not quite as crazy.

Yeah, I mean, when you're higher on the mountain, there's obviously more dangerous activity, is the likelihood of a death or disappearances.

H So there are a lot of there's a big connection to people going missing in national parks, but personally in this case, the ones that I did, I don't believe any of them are paranorim I don't there's a pot some of them are very peculiar.

You wonder what the hell happened?

Why it was like the dude who unhitched, what was that about?

You know, you had two other people you're with, You're just going to walk off and dig a cave?

Because of the weather.

That doesn't make it any cents at all.

You wouldn't let the people know that you think it's too bad or that's strange, for sure, And it's when they don't find the body.

The three people that die in the exact same way in the same spot's probably the most suspicious.

But it could be a bad spot.

It could be suicide, It could be a lot of things like that.

Nothing reaches off the page as being paranormal to me in this, even though I want to link it.

Yeah, you know, not if I'm jumped off the page as mean as paranormal either, But it's hard to say.

Yeah.

So, but there.

You could go on for days on the different cases, and these are all more recent.

This is I don't think I did what ninety nine.

I think was the furthest I went back and after that it was like twenty fourteen.

Most of them were experienced too, So.

Yeah, a lot of them were experienced or at least in decent shape or whatever.

So let us know what you guys think, especially anybody in that region with a little more knowledge than we have.

A lot of the yeah, Kelly, if you're listening, let us know, let us know what you know.

A good story about it?

I like that that over the firepit.

Guess catch you over there?

I guess you know what's time it is?

Can't you try to volume men?

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So Beyond the Shadows is manny.

I want to share a couple incentives that happen.

I've been wanting to share this but never really had the competence to do it.

I mean, it might be a little on the influence right now, but shoot, I said, fuck that, this is a perfect time shirt.

Anyways.

It has to do with sleeparalysis.

There's two incidents that happened that actually still out more than the rest.

I've had a couple a few sleeperalysis incidents or experiences.

The first one actually happened a few years ago when I was renting a room in or an apartment complex with one of my friends.

I was actually in my room when I woke up, and obviously during sleeperalysis, like you could really do is open your eyes, see everything that it's in place, everything's intact.

You pretty much seem like you didn't exactly go to sleep.

But what I saw was the dark figure floating or hovering on the ceiling, the top side, and eventually it shot out to the corner of the room, standing still, creating a figure, a tall figure which just stood at the corner.

For some reason, I could even though it was a shadowy, shadowy figure, I was able to see in sense that I was looking at me.

While I was laying in bed, I wasn't able to move trying to move, I couldn't move, but I felt obviously this dark presence, and when I was staring at the corner of my eye, I ended up seeing a cat, like a dark cat, obviously a black hat, jump on top of the bed, walk over towards me.

Ended up laying on top of my chest or sitting on top of my chest, and it was like I was having trouble, I guess breathing, but I think it was mainly because I was freaked out.

And when I finally woke up, I was able to move shake my body because I was trying to fucking get out of that scared that I had.

I ended up waking up.

I walked outside of the room because I was I was a little freaked out.

I noticed that it was around twelve something, pretty much almost one.

Obviously, at that time, I was like, oh shoot, you know, it's freaking twelve o'clock.

Oh shit, and it has something to do with you know, evil spirits and some shit like that.

I have no clue.

The second one actually happened a few years ago where I was actually laying down in the living room.

This was after you know, got married stuff like that.

Anyways, I was in the living room laying down couch when all of a sudden I woke up in sleep balysis.

I ended up seeing the same kind of figure.

This time it wasn't hovering on top of nose ceiling and you know, on top of me.

It was just standing in the corner closer to the kitchen, and it was just standing there and the same feeling that it was looking at me.

Wasn't able to move, and all of a sudden I seen this figure which I could only at the moment or you know, after it happened, I could only describe as an older lady, shorter lady, wearing these raggedy clothes, just walking kind of slow across the living room towards the dining area.

It seemed like it was saying something or just mumbling or something in a lower voice kind of faded because I couldn't hear exactly what it was, but I seen that in the corner of my eyes.

I was trying to move my head, but I couldn't.

When I was seen woke up again.

I ended up getting up, but before I actually stood up or sat down, I ended up hearing a fainted voice on the the hallway from one room to the bathroom.

There's a hallway.

Of what I could hear for like a quick couple of seconds was a little voice, kind of like a girl voice, saying, sh don't dull mom.

As soon as that happened, I fully was awake, and I was like shit myself.

I guess I ended up getting up going towards the hallway for some stupid reason.

It's like one of those you know scenes that you see in one of those horror movies, like why the fuck are you even.

Going over there?

But I didn't.

I went over to see what it was or if there was any win there.

No, I wanted.

To make sure it wasn't.

But anyways, I didn't see anything.

I didn't knows anyone opened the door or anything like that, and that actually threw me back, and I actually had a research to the next day because I was like, what the hell was that?

The only thing obviously I found was that person that saw that being, which I guess is described as the Old Hag, which is crazy because I've never heard before.

I never heard it before, like until that happened.

And just the fact that people around the world have actually seen that shit I'm not the only one, you know, kind of makes me I want to say a question things, but it kind of makes me interested to see if there's more people like that that experienced that kind of stuff.

And I would really actually like to know, or people could put it on the notes that they experienced the same kind of shit or seeing the same kind of you know, being the Old Hag.

I don't know, actually really like you guys' opinions on have you even heard of it or cases of it?

That'd be great.

And if somebody else has the same kind of experience anyways, thinking.

That was a really good story, Manny.

Yeah, great story, Mannie, thank you for sending that in.

I can answer you a question right off the bat.

I've been sitting on mine, so I'm not going to get into it tonight.

But I have experienced almost exactly what you have experienced, so you are not the only one.

Though mine wasn't identical to yours.

I'm going to do it actually an episode on the hat Man, the Old Hag.

They're similar to me.

Some people think it's sleep paralysis, others don't.

Some people see them during the day, some don't.

Might have been similar to him, where it's sleeping slash awake.

You're not quite sure, but you'll have experienced it.

The Old Hag is like a succubist or Incubis, which one is.

There's one hundred different theories.

Yeah, shadow people their shadow people, for sure.

I've heard of people seeing them during daylight hours.

Most experience are during sleep.

The most terrifying part of that for me is like you're seeing that and you can't move.

No, that's what makes it even more.

You know, it's one thing if you at least get a chance to defend yourself against something but when you're completely paralyzed, you're fucked.

That's what makes some people think that you're it's part of the sleep paralysis, you know, quite awake.

I don't buy that, have experience of myself.

I don't feel that I'm asleep, you know what I mean.

You're right, you're you feel like, Yeah, I don't think I've had that.

I've had times where I woke up and like, my arms are real sluggish.

I could barely move them and stuff like that.

You don't know if it's from sleeping on them or whatever, But I haven't had sleep paralysis like that.

I can tell you the other experience exact same thing.

You can't quite breathe, you can't quite move, and you're not alone.

And that's real common.

Like the all is sitting on.

The fuck she's never been sitting on my chest.

But I've definitely not been alone in the room.

And there's a shadowy figure in the corner.

You're like, what the fuck?

Uh so y'all get I'll get in no more detail on mind, manny, but uh yeah, I agree with you.

You're not alone.

And I'm sure we've got plenty of listeners that have experienced something someone yeah.

If you guys have let us know, let manny know.

I could say, like, I've heard things in my sleep.

I can tell you just the other day, I was sleeping during the day and I'd only been asleep for like maybe thirty minutes, and I heard, clear as day, someone yelled code blue.

And that's I work in the hospital.

And I heard someone screaming out loud that so I snapped up out of bed and was looking around trying to make out where the hell I was.

And it seemed like it was someone in the house screaming code blue.

But it was definitely in my dream.

But I was one hundred percent convinced that I heard someone yell.

Are you sure you weren't sleeping at work?

You know you have a tendency to go yet Now it was a real code blue, But.

No, I mean it happened.

My wife and son were up there downstairs, and I heard it clear as a bell, like somebody yelled it.

I even asked her, I'm like, did you guys yell down here?

Know why I have heard code blue?

But I guess I dreamt it.

It was loud too in my head.

Anyways, Anyways, great story.

We really appreciate it, you guys.

If you have any stories, get them in be on the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com and uh we will catch you in the next one.

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