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So it's west and west roast and the shadows in the east.

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We have some fun things to talk about today.

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I woke up today did a music show paying tribute to Slice Slow and Brian Wilson out on my picture on Pitch Night.

We did a great Anytime one of my favorite discussions on any Time.

Really appreciate you showing up for that as always, Bud, But you really said some wonderful things and now we're here in tow game of throns, all on a Friday.

But you might be listening wherever the hell you are later on in life.

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Look at how stressed they were.

Everything's fine now and you're flying car that runs on hope.

They're like, we got three more ice and fire books since they released this.

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Hello, Eric's at work.

Don't worry, Eric, we won't tell your boss.

We're glad you hear Eric.

So as we are doing now, we go live once a month, maybe every five weeks or maybe even quicker, and we have about three or four topics planned out.

Yeah, we clipped those out, put those on the YouTube channels so the folks can maybe find us and come hang out with us on these live shows.

And then we put this up on the podcast feed, which it still exists in the same spot to check it out over there on the Brad Gilmore Network.

So we've got some great stuff to get to Alden.

But the headline tonight is George R.

Martin strikes back, and I'll be on us up top, even striking back at us little whipper snappers for even not us specifically.

He doesn't know who we are, but we put out a clip from last month's show about Hey, we got some theories about the books, and I got some thoughts about George sometimes.

But I don't want to lead you into any questions or answers you don't want to give, Alton, But I think we're in aligned here that we actually kind of agree with George here.

Yeah, to tease the full answer, this is a pro George episode at the pro George all And despite his prickliness, older men named George who crave vast worlds are multifaceted individuals.

They are, They're complex men of a certain age.

And yeah, you're right, he doesn't know as personally, although one trip to the right theater or a Mexican restaurant could change that.

We've been within five feet of each other at a comic comparty.

That's right, doesn't know who I am?

No, sure, Yeah, George R.

Martin calls out.

George R.

Martin shoots on castererly talk.

God, I would love that, David I would love that, right if that was the headline on his not a blog like let me talk about casserly talk boom controversy the numbers go.

Up, he would come after me for being too pro House of the Dragon season two.

I like it too much for his taste.

But yes, we're going to talk about his phrase here as a strike back.

Some people phrase it as a clapback, some people phase it as dunking on the fans.

This is the classic fans of the George thing.

And then we have a few other questions to get into you.

But you pulled the actual excerpt correct from his blog, so can't read that off.

And we'll discuss it.

Yeah, and I want to be clear, and I'm reading this from the Hollywood reporter.

James Hibbard kind of wrote it up.

James Hibbard is the kind of Game of Thrones guy over there.

This was at the end of May, to be clear, May twenty ninth when the story came out.

So as since we're doing the show live once a month or so, we're catching up to some of it too.

But it's been going around.

But yes, here's let me read this.

I'll posted on the nod of blog, but this came.

We should also give the context of he announced that he's doing some work executive producing and just being involved with the adult animated feature film adapting the late Howard Waldrips novella.

And Howard was a contemporary and friend and colleague of Georgia Martin, so it's a personal project to him, which is part of what we're talking about here.

But he wrote, I know, I know some of you will just be pissed off of this, as you are by everything I announced here that is not about West Gross or the Wins of Winter.

You've given up on me or the book.

I will never finish Wins if I do, I will never finish a Dream of Spring.

If I do, it won't be any good.

I ought to get some other writer in a pinchh it for me.

I'm gonna die soon anyway, oh George, because I'm so old.

I feel sorry for him here and me and us and you.

I lost all interested in a song of Ice I fired decades ago.

I don't give a shit about writing any longer to sit around and spend my money.

I hit wild Cards books too, But you hate wild Cards.

You may hate everything else I've ever written.

The Hugo Winners, the Hugo Losers, a song of Allah layah Uh, Dining of the Light, Sand Kinks and Beauty the Beast, This Tower of Ashes in the Stone City, Old Mars and Old Venus, Rogues, warriors and Dangerous Women, all the other anthologies that eded with my friend Gardner at Dozios.

I don't know how to say that name.

I apologize.

You don't care about any of those.

I know you don't care about anything about winds Winter, you never you've told me so.

Off and he continues things I do care about, And I care about Westros and Wins as well, the Starks and Lantists and Targarians, Tyrian and Asha, Danny Denares, the Dragons and Darwoofs.

I care about all of them more than you can ever imagine, and wish you all could share my excitement at the prospect of this movie talking about the worldrip adaptation.

All right, diamond on them.

Look in my what do you see?

That's That's what I heard throughout the entire delivery of that.

This is it is.

It is very wrestling.

You know.

We talk about that on any time with kennan Alden.

How us politics is wrestling but sometimes wrestling is all of culture and popular culture, and this was sort of him grabbing the microphone in a way that's clearly been building.

This addressed a lot of stuff.

It wasn't just you're hounded me about this book.

It was what interested me and what really made me empathize for him was that it was him versus the audience in the context of you're not just hounded me about this, You're just respecting these other things from his perspective, And I'm sure there are fans that hound know about wins that do not at all mean to put down the other work.

That's not their intention, that's not anything, that's just their favorite thing.

You've been broadcasting for twenty plus years in total, and at this point like fifteen twenty on the internet, seventeen eighty something like that, and there are people that come up to you about shows you haven't done in a long time.

Do they mean to put down the shows you're doing right now?

Not necessarily, But there's a part of you, I know this as your friend where that comes up, and I'll let you talk about that.

But so that that was my initial reaction was like, damn, this is beyond stuff.

He said before of be patient.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, be patient, be patient.

This was and you know what, I'm sick of the way you act about this thing, this thing, this thing.

And I gotta say I am on his side a little bit because the narrative should never be that he's lazy, because the dude is the opposite of lazy, right, right, right, Just maybe a little little scatter brained I say that would love maybe.

Yeah, No, I think we've got to be honest and known what things are said in the past and everything too.

I like, yeah, sometimes My one of my biggest issues is is hey, man, just write the book that don't worry about what the show producers are doing.

Then follow with Dan and Dave.

And sometimes I think he drops explosives into the water that even he doesn't mean too, because he's just being honest about properties that his entire life has been poured into.

But where I empathize is where this starts announcing a project that has to do with a friend of his.

Right, he didn't just option something no studio hired, and this is something that has clear personal connection.

Honoring a friend's past and being honored to work on it.

And to have that face with Yeah, but where's wis like you're gonna snap and you deserve it.

He deserves the right to grab the microphone at pipe bombing because you know, my case is you touch on is so much smaller.

But yeah, having done some shows that were blessed to be watched by a lot of people, and you don't go on those shows anymore, You don't want to go on those shows anymore.

You maybe don't even work with those people, or I don't even like the people he used to work with.

But that is sometimes all I'm remembered for.

And yeah, without a doubt, I've had some moments of like fuck off, fuck off, ye and Georgia said that here and he's right.

I mean, yeah, I've talked.

I've touched on this before on different shows, so apologists of repeating myself for anybody that keeps up with us.

But like, first job that I had in radio was at iHeart and I was working for a host that has decades of experience and at one time was on a massive morning show definitely definitely the biggest morning show Florida's ever had, also syndicated in like twenty something states, and things like that and it was a it was a long, big run, and constantly people were always like giving him the you know his his name was Paul.

The other host was Ron.

Ron had retired, uh retired, And there was always a like, when's Ron coming back?

Man?

Like every remote broadcast, every bar, every NFL Draft party, every Halloween party, when's Ron coming back?

Man?

I missed the old show, dude, I'm miss hanging out with you go And I watched him even when I didn't agree with him, I empathized because I watched him do the like we're still going, man, We're still kicking ass, you know, Like, you know, the lineup is different.

We got these young guys that are you know.

And it sucks to feel like people are putting you in a box of what's relevant and what's not because they can't quantify your passion based on how much they like a thing.

It's like everybody wants the thing that's going to take off.

Of course they do, but like, you know, nobody It's like and I feel like this is kind of a constant across all creators, Like does our love for one aspect of their career necessarily reflect the way they feel about the career.

They should have the right to say no now, mind you you know, do I want it to always be years of sitting on it and then snapping no for everybody's sake, for his sake too.

I don't want George to feel upset.

I don't want any old man to feel upset and that they have to defend themselves in rage.

That's just not That's not what I want for my elders, but even non old folks.

It's like, you know, would would you know when Tarantino say that pulp fiction is his best movies because everybody loves pulp fiction, he's on the record saying no, he thinks Once upon a Time in Hollywood is his best movie.

Does Alanis Morris set think that Jaggie Littlepill is her best album just because it's the only one anybody really passionately cares about.

We don't know the answer to that.

Do I want everybody again to explode one day and talk about it in these terms?

Not necessarily, but you get you do see that, Like it's hard sometimes, especially you know, I both like a lot of classic rock bands, Like you know how it is that you go to a show and they want to play something off the most recent record and everybody kind of checks out.

I always feel really bad in those moments because it's like everything was new when it started.

Every track that you're waiting for was a new track, And I don't want everybody to just feel like he's only his biggest thing.

This is kind of like what Coppola says an Empire of dreams, where he's like, Star Wars robbed us of the things that George might have made, and it's like he's not saying that to Poo pooh Star Wars.

He's saying that because he realized that his friend got into a box forever he was never going to come out of that.

So I empathize on that level.

The personal stuff is important to the disrespect, and then I'm sure there's also supports tecknowledge.

There's also elements of anger that we're not privy to, whether that's alleged feuds or whether that's HBO problems, whether that's you know, whatever it is.

There's definitely fuel, there's people breathing down his neck that we're not privy to.

Those conversations, Editors, publishers, I'm sure lawyers, people with people that are all waiting for their piece of winds, you know.

So, oh no, I agree with that tack too, and look more than anything, I would think he'd probably say, yeah, I wish it was finished too, but he's taking his time with it.

He has all the right in the world to take his time.

I saw a great clip going around.

You know, we're not entitled to its work, and I do actually really agree with that.

I do have some questions about it.

I wanted to show up.

I got a little I get grumpy because I think his words are often used against the show I love, and it just kind of gets churned up in the internet to ocean waters there.

That can be real frustrating.

That's why sometimes I will own what I say, Like I wish I had less comments to George about House the Dragon season two or Gaming Throne season four, five, six, seven, eight.

You know, just I'd rather just like we all go to our corners on that there and do what we hope you get to do, which has finished this story, because it should be finished by you.

There are some realities that we even talked about about age and all that kind of stuff, and uh, that's reality.

But yeah, certainly the way he fraiged that that's why I reacted to it.

It hurt me, like you all think him.

Bringing that into it.

Him bringing that into it is when it was like, oh, this is not just like a mad creative or business level.

This was you are all intentionally or otherwise condescending me, reminding me of my mortality.

Like you know how I know you haven't had this particular moment with your parents.

They're both in great health and bless them and let's let them continue until they're ninety nine.

But it's like there are a lot of old folks that their children have to like take their car keys away and like change change their their routines and everything.

It sucks, And it's like it must suck to feel like the whole world is doing that to you, Like, oh yeah, thanks, thanks for everything I'm basing my personality and now anger off of.

Thanks for the characters I named my kids and my cats after.

But have you thought about what happens when you're too fucking old to do it?

It's like whoa like my goodness?

Like I thought we were all I thought we were all a family, right.

I thought I was George that gave you this happy thing, and you're just like already planning my funeral like that has to amplify the anger tenfold.

Yeah.

I absolutely can see that.

Yeah, absolutely can see that.

So, yeah, there's a thoughts on that I I and the end of the day, like I think he's right, He's always going to be right about this, and looking forward to the books a lot of you know, I don't.

Does this just changed my desire to have the book sooner than later?

No, absolutely not.

But does it change the way in which I want to make sure I'm discussing in the right way?

Yeah?

Yeah, absolutely, I want to make sure that we prop up George.

The reason we're here is that this wonderfully weird man and a bizarre little cap and suspender sat down to write this world.

That is why we are here, and was going to.

Keep I agree, I empathize with him.

My final word on it will just be give him grace, allow him to have this moment.

He's right on a lot of levels.

Hopefully some people sat back and thought maybe I should just like be happy with where it is or be happy.

I'm not saying you need to be satisfied with an incomplete story.

I understand that.

Yeah, no, no, But it's like you know, maybe you could just maybe it'll inspire somebody to be like, what else is he written?

Like what a concept?

Right?

Like what I like?

You know, maybe there is a oh way too.

You know.

Sometimes sometimes you go to the other thing and you really like it, Like I was a kid that didn't try Indiana Jones for a long time, all right, Like, oh, that's the other thing.

That's the other thing, that's the other Han solo thing.

Yeah.

So hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully wins a winner and dream of Spring very soon.

Also on the docket today, although we got a new we got a new video game coming out, a new Game of Thrones video game, A World of west Ross.

It is War for west Ros, and I, for one, I was actually doing a job covering Summer Game Fest and was quite surprised to see this classic real time strategy game set in the vast world of wester Rows.

What are your thoughts on War for west Ros and also just Game of Thrones video games in general?

Give it Thrones games in general.

I'll start there because it's a very easy history for me.

I haven't played in him, so that makes it a nice easy quick recap for me.

I've always meant to get the Telltale never did I know it was never finished.

Like, I'm sure you can get a fun experience out of the one that there is, but like, yeah, I never never went.

I know that they had wanted to make more and than the whole tell Tale operation kind of fell apart after the Batman Wan or whatever they had done, but so I haven't played any of them.

I know that they haven't had a lot of games that have hit.

It's been a lot of mobile things are in there.

You know.

It seems like one of those things where it's like it's so rich that everybody's like, why not have a Balder's Gay in this world?

Why not have a Skyrim of this world?

Why not have a Zelda of this world?

Let me make a guy start with nothing and go through and eventually it seems like so obvious you should be able to Red Dead or Star Wars outlaws your way through the Seven Kingdoms.

And we haven't gotten there yet.

But this is exciting to me.

I didn't expect real time strategy, but you know, I immediately went to our friend Nicki Kumar and was like, I never thought of RTS for this world, but I see the vision and like they you know, the trailers cinematic.

It doesn't have gameplay, but they released images of what it's like.

Look.

Yeah, and immediately my first thought was how fun it will be to like control the different kinds of legions, like you already can think, like as a nerd, you start to think, like wow, So it's like, you know, we talked about House Mormont on our last episode.

It's like, will will a Mormont fighter be worth like way more in terms of strength, Like you know, we'll threat on an open hole on an open field that like yeah, and then you see a dragon there.

It's like an enemy dragon is probably gonna be the most frustrating thing in the world.

So I immediately started to have fun with it.

In my head.

I started to imagine like different commander styles and I'm on board.

I think this is a smart use of it, especially because of different house strength and different castles and keeps and what they could bring to it.

Yeah.

Yeah, Look, I played the Telltale game.

I liked I think Eric Manroan chat mentioned House Forrester.

I thought it was a cool little addition.

It was you know, a'll fit in canon if you will.

I know that word can cons some issues in people's souls, but it was canon.

It's good.

I played a lot of the mobile games I was.

I was one of those people for a while, had my little castle and try to form up and also fight other people and they're bored, repetitive, but they're great games to fall asleep too.

I even did the one where you're going North of the Wall and you get your fighters and you know, it's not a full game experience, but it's hard to do it with these kind of games you're talking about, you know, Star Wars Outlaws, which I enjoy.

I'm currently doing the DLC stuff that came out, the Pirates Bounty stuff, like having fun with it.

Kves is a great character, but it's also it's hard to do when it is a giant, vast world.

But we're also familiar with the timelines and the stories and the big players, so it's hard for you know, hard to do a game where Han Solo shows up.

Now, the Battlefront two storyline mode had that bearded Han Solo stuff, and you can do it, but read that it's it's its own world, right.

So even some of the Lord of the Rings games that have come out have not been a huge success.

I remember the Battlefront like Lord of the Rings game that came out fifteen years ago.

Bought it like sixty bucks at the time, played it once, never touched it again, like literally came up of an ivah, oh, never touched again.

It just didn't work for me.

So I think it's difficult to do and this this might be the right approach where it's a little Even the cinematic trailer, it's if some if someone didn't see it.

John Snow dies in it.

You know, he's a nice he's a white like I was almost called him an iceman, but that's that's that's true too.

But that pulled me in, like right there, It's like, oh, okay, we could be could we could be disconnected from the story and have fun in the world.

This is gonna yeah, it looks like it.

I don't know if it's going to have a story mode.

I don't know if we'll have campaigns, but you know, it would be interesting if this had like a campaign thing where it was like, oh, you're the Lanisters now, and what if they what if they succeeded, or what if you could run a campaign where you're Rob Stark and you don't make mistakes that will get you later on, like like let me play the rob Star campaign where he makes it south, you know, like things like that.

That's fun, Like things like that would be fun.

What if?

Yeah, what ifs have always been something you've done here on casually talking even since the audio version of the show running Yeah, Daily Thrones, so that that intrigues me and and to your point, like it frees them of a thing where it's like the canonicity where it's like sometimes they find fun ways around it, Like I think Outlaws story did a smart thing where it was like, well, if we placed it here, Hans frozen and Lando is running around, so it's like there's two narrative reasons why they're not in it at all or barely in it.

But with this it's like, unless you place us outside, it's your damn.

If you do, you damn if you don't.

If you place us out side of the timeline, then the way that this world works, we end up with either great houses that are not yet great, or houses that we don't really have an attachment to and we don't have a show to get us attached like we did with like House Valarium, where they're not in Thrones, but because Corlis is so great and because Rainie is so great, like we were able to build that love for them.

Hard to do that in RTS.

Or you could place it firmly within the show's timeline, but then you'll just have players being like, why can't I just ride over to where that cool thing is happening, But like and it's like the timeline, yeah, it's just it becomes a struggle.

Like if you made a Red Dead in the West, roast World said during the show, you would just have stubborn players getting on horseback and be like, I can make it all the way down there, Okay, I could get all So this is I think it's smart.

Like Lauren Romo and the Chat put out the idea in terms of a battle front, and while this will not be that because this is RTS, it could still follow her idea here of like, you know, maybe there's going to be a mode here where it's like, you know, iconic battles and you could give us Trident all that you can give us Hard Home, you can give us like everything that we've done.

You know you might.

I think that could be a lot of fun.

And you know these games always built on units too, so it's like if you're doing hard Home, it's like, you know, maybe you need to spend X amount of points and you can bring in a giant, you know, or things like that.

Yeah, yeah, no, you're making me think of a you know, I'm a fan of sports games and baseball and not a play will be the show.

And often they have those modes.

It's like re enact famous moments in baseball history, things that have happened, and can you make them happen again or can you change it?

That's kind of fun in its own way, and I think what you're talking about is kind of fun.

The idea of yeah, let's go to hard Home, let's go to the Battle of the Bastards, let's let's see it, and like even Jared and Chad saying, you know how, how's great shoy will rule west roushen I'm done.

You know, you get to kind of play it with the what ifs, like we're saying, but yeah, I'm looking forward to I'm going to give it a go.

I'm going to give it a go.

The trailer pulled me in.

I was a fan, you know, arts games, going back to you know, command and Conquer and those kind of games.

I lost a lot of my life to those those games in the early two thousands and nineties.

So I'm excited to try to do in this world.

What uh style of commander do you think that you're gonna be when you play these?

If you go back in your memories to Command of Conquer, like, how are you rolling?

Are you Like?

I'll last of them and gather up my stores until they all.

Yeah I'm that.

Yeah, I'm a little that.

I am a I am gather and build, so I want the strongest fortress.

But then I also I try to I don't overwhelm.

I may be my biggest mistake I'm giving away.

Strategy in case we ever play is I'll send out smaller parties to do smaller amounts of damage, but more of them.

Yeah.

Then then that, and then I try to just be defensive.

I want you to come on to my turf and I want to knock you away.

Yeah, yeah, that's smart.

Because I feel like going back to the Command the conquer Age of Empires, Oh, my god, Age of Empires.

One night, I played that game for so long my friend came over to write a sketch with me.

When I open up the door, Like, my face was sweaty, my eyes were sweaty.

I just been playing the game too long.

That's how people die.

Hear those stories and people dying in internet cafes playing games for seventy two straight hours.

I was like six hours into Ages of Empires, like, oh god, what day is it?

But uh yeah, I used to try to do the overwhelm and thinking, let me send fifty trebischets, let me send that in, and then you watch this one by one they just get wiped out.

You feel like the doth Racky.

You're watching the doth RACKI in the Battle of Winter Fill just the flames go out.

Great shot, great shot for those of us.

For those of us I could see it with our good.

Yes, what's your style?

And then what is one battle you would like to change and play in this game?

Well, I'm not going to take Romo's answer here, but I love those Battle of the Bastards.

But I have rick on Zigzag.

Yeah, that's how you beat the game.

If you get rick on the Zigzag game over you want.

There's just a screen company system.

You don't need to delete the game.

You're done.

Yeah, you've done it.

All.

I think my strategy generally with these is also to fortify, bait them best defense, like I love I used to play a little bit of committing CoCr when I was a kid, Like my dad had it, so I would always jump on if he was not playing.

And I, you know, whenever you could bottle neck people in I do that like Balder's gates on an RTS.

But because it functions like D and D, you can have sort of the same principles, like you can also switch to like a top down if you want.

And there are so many battles in that game where I'm just like, I think like Leonidas in three hundred when they just like bottleneck all these guys in like their numbers don't mean anything if we could just hold this position.

Yeah, and I and even when I've been playing Fortnite with the Eyes a little bit, I've also sometimes been on the on the discord like just hold this, just hold this line, like so I think about that.

I'm not like Jared here blitz early, but blitz often.

Go drop hot drop.

Yeah.

I used to play yeah no, just having a conversation about members.

Used to play Red Alert too, which Jared one of the best games of all time, and we'd play like I'd go to my one friend's house and then my other two friends would be at another house and we'd play.

Right.

Oh, the future was here in nineteen ninety six, and I had a friend like I'd be fortifying and the other friend that he would do the blitz early and if it would work, if you caught me off guard, I'm bailing.

Hey, well you're launching arrows at me or in that game missile.

So yeah, we'll see.

But yeah, what is one battle you want to redo and maybe change the outcome?

I think you know, I don't want to change the outcomes about all of the people that I liked them.

Yeah, no, I know, it's like we love the story.

Yeah you like to see Yeah.

Yeah, it's almost like maybe the things that I would want to change are not necessarily.

Can I have Rob start go south without taking the twins somehow?

I guess you need to take the twins because like that's what leads to the whole demise.

But take the long way around, like just get some boats they go yeah.

Okay, the long way, or or you know, maybe you can play as like, uh, I highly doubt they'll let you do this, But let me play as Roderi Cassell as a commander and successfully fend off the one.

That's what I'm talking, Yes, like, let like let me hold winter Fell against this traitorous little bastard that we raised.

Yes, I know he was kind of a hostage, but.

Still yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, yeah, I like those Jared Chetz's Blackwater.

I think my mind goes there that if you reverse.

That, well you all want to kill Tirian, you all want to fantasy together.

Well you know he would Tyran could escape through the tunnels and be okay in my story, in my version.

But that's also so big that you know, we know, it completely changes the story you love.

But that's part of the fun of this.

Like always my biggest, my biggest game of Thrones, what if will always be what if Ned just didn't listen to Beatish, kept pack and grab the girls and left town.

Like we're in a much better spot.

But yeah, yeah, but Roderick is on those little battles, the ones that that you uh, you know, you know, I don't want Roderick to come back lose, and next thing, you know, he's getting beheaded.

Not it's because of that, but because that's the path, what if he goes another way?

What if we go another way?

THEO never comes there?

So yeah, maybe maybe it.

Is the what if John does actually leave, you know, very early on after Rob, after Ned is dead and John tries to break his boughs and leave the wall, Like if it's Rob and John snow the tool Wolves, give me the Tool Wolves campaign.

I love that we're not taking this big battle game and we're just like, can we have plot points?

Yeah?

I can I get into the emotional head of this young man.

I'm trying to think of something that is just more like outright, just like actual top down battle tactics.

I mean like yeah, I mean I would like to run the Battle of the Winterfel and see if I can keep I mean, I'm kind of spoiling a little bit of an answer for a later question here, but can I run the Battle of winterfl and uh save save some lives?

Can I save some Delthraki?

Can I say different people there in that situation?

I mean it's like you look at that, like, you know, I wish Nikki Kumar was here.

I say, I wish like I didn't have the power to just invite him.

That's on me.

But like I he has said, he's like, well, always blows his mind because, as I pointed out, he has a masters in military history.

He's like what frustrates him about the Battle of Winterfel.

He's like, that doesn't make sense.

He's like, why would you do this?

Why would you do this?

This like charging out and everything and like and it's cool obviously on a fantasy level budget too.

Yeah.

Yeah, we got a lot of people here.

We didn't have the budget for horses.

What do you want?

Like, what do you want?

Yeah, So there's a situation there where you make the zombies trying to climb Winterfeld.

You know, I I yeah, No, the re the reltigating this strategy of the battle is a great, great way to look at that too.

And the Battle of Winterfeld is probably the spot and even you know, you know, Danny arriving in West Roast and and all the stuff where they get kind of taken out fast, all the players get kind of removed.

You know, maybe maybe we we don't see it much on screen in the TV show, I know, but like High Garden, going to High Garden and the war, the battle that cost Elena of her life.

Maybe you go there, maybe it's something different.

Oh, can we keep Basarian alive?

Have the boats go a different a different path would cross the Iron Fleet?

That's part of it.

Well, something you'll get to do that all that in twenty twenty six in Game of Thrones War for West Ros from playside, we'll keep you up to data online co op single player strategy, a lot of options in there.

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Can we work together and we always have to fight?

That'll be the question, all of them.

You do all the commanding and all the work, and you know, store the grain and all that, and I'll be the dragon.

Use the point, okay, perfect, I want to know what the dragon.

I'm honestly genuinely curious about the dragon mechanic of this game, and like game breaking.

Can only Tigerians have one?

You know?

I'm curious how they're going to do that?

Oh?

Yeah, there you go?

Yeah yeah, can you make a tyran a dragon rider in the game?

Go ahead, that happen.

There you go.

So that is our take on War for West Thrus.

We'll update you when the game comes out in a year.

We'll do a follow up video on our actual choices.

We have a question.

We have a couple questions.

We got one.

David says them, Well, you do the commanding, I'll do the conquering.

That's fair.

We've got a question from Eric.

We'll get to here, but we also have this question for each other one character.

Often choose one character that you would have liked to see survive to the end of the story as we know it on television.

We are not talking about the books.

That's a different question.

We're talking about the TV show.

One character you would like to see survive the end?

What does that end?

What happens at the end?

Are they on the throne?

Are they there for the meetings or they just don't care.

They're having fun in the Sou's ho Southern point of Dorn.

Where do you go.

With this one?

This is again, this is a big what if because some of them will cause minor changes and some of them will butterfly the entire narrative.

My first thing and connecting to the Battle Winterfel, I really am of two minds, like I love barrackdal Darian's death.

He's one of my favorite characters.

He's probably my favorite of the minor characters, and he's he's just incredible.

Richard Dormer incredible, and I mythically, spiritually, I like that he dies to keep Ariya alive, like he he dies to help somebody.

It's like it's like a like a cosmic hockey assist to bring down that.

I think he exists.

He exists and has been by his God for this moment, and that I think is one of the underrated parts of season eight.

Underrated.

For all the criticism season eight gets of ruining storylines, that is such a great ending for something they had steadily peppered throughout the entire show.

But because I think I don't know if he'd be the answer.

The answer is you're dead, Barrick for the nineteen final time You're dead.

It was earned.

You did well.

This is the one, though, that will change so much by keeping him alive, and that's Oberon Martel.

What if Oberin just stabbed him with that with a poison dipped blade, and even if he wants to do his mocking and his like yeah, but what fifteen feet that way?

You know, like because at that point, you know he definitely needs to get out of there, like you're no longer safe, Like you can't tell me that if he survives that day, that Taiwan isn't like we need to have him killed, Like I'm sure that that would have happened.

So it's like it still would have been like dangerous times for him, and I'm sure Oberon versus Tailwind would have been more of a narrative.

But if Oberin lives, then does he does the Oberon tier alliance continue as they're both being targeted by the law then by Taiwan, like like you helped my son escape justice, that means Tyrian doesn't leave.

And if because if Oberon lives, Taiwin lives because it's Tyrian's escape that prompts him to get into the final conversation with his father.

So Oberon living means that Taiwan also lives, which means all three players are in Kinglanning at the same time.

Does Tyrian end up in Dorn Do you have a Dornish Tyrian alliance via Oberin?

Like there's all these things that it changes, But then just you know, shrinking that just to the man.

He deserves to live.

He's he's one of the only like pure hero coded characters and that's the point, that's the point, right, Like he George is always famous for the Aragorn tax policy thing, but they forget that Oberin is Enigo Montoya, like he is the swave, swashbuckling Latino hero who has a mom a log that he repeats over and over again, except in George's version it gets him killed.

Like, yeah, I get it.

But also he had him still he has he had him.

That's one of those ones where it's like people say, oh, I watch Revenge of the Sith and I think, maybe this time it'll be different.

That's me watching that fight.

I'm always like maybe this i'lieve I'm still with you on that where even after all these years from book to screen, it doesn't matter.

You watch that, you're just like open two feet two feet over man, just or look man, but you're but again, yeah, all the lessons come through.

But I think that's a great answer.

Again, what is one character we'd like to survive to the end?

And man, it's it's it's kind of tough for me.

You know, there's so many choices, and there's the butterfly fact, which is part of the fun of the question.

Uh, you know, a need and Jared in chances Bobby B.

Yeah, Bobby B would be like to see him, but you know, maybe he wiches up, maybe he doesn't.

You know, I have a deep love of Jor Mormont, But like your Barrick dun Darien answer, I want to tip of the cap, tip tip the cap to him, A tip of the cap.

I would have loved him, have loved to him see the sunshine on a on a new dawn, the sun rise up.

But I love the ending.

It works for me as a Jura fan.

It was right for me, So I have to let that one go.

Uh.

Then there is uh, Sir Barrison sell me and talk about rewatching something.

It's maybe not as powerful as the open one.

But his death and I'm like, but things would have been a little different.

I think he would have if he's on the shore when they hit that land.

I think his advice on him being just such a an insider from west in West rous and maybe would have helped pull some people over.

I don't know.

I don't know.

It's a big what if.

That's the point of this.

But the end of the day, and again story wise, I see it.

I understand why.

But you know who I wanted to survive the n is Manz rader Manz raighter.

Wow, I think, and obviously I know in books a little different.

We were talking about the show no magic here, he dies, he goes.

You needed it, he needed it, in fact.

But putting that all aside, he would have been so valuable.

He would have been it would have It would have just strengthened a lot of things going on the north.

And then if if, if I think, as we go down south even more in the stuff at the end, I think he would have been a voice of reason.

I think he would have been of strong influence on John.

And I just would have liked to have seen him get to that finish line, because his finish line was so pure to me.

It was about the people.

It was not about the throne.

It was about the people.

And I would have loved to see what we'd have done.

He probably wouldn't, would have been very frustrated.

I don't know if he would have lasted one conversation with Sercy down there at that pit meeting.

But I would like to see manz Rader going.

You know, I was thinking about him a lot.

I'm glad you brought him up.

I was thinking about him the other day, you know, with and or on the brain and that other universe we love.

There's that great scene with with Claia and Cassie and where Claia talks about choices and that like like you know, the freedom to make the choices.

I'm paraphrasing, but like that that's why they're doing it, and like that's exactly the point that Mance makes.

You know, to John, it's like, the freedom to make my own mistakes was all I ever wanted.

That could also be a paraphrase, but I think it's close and it's horrible.

Yeah, that's that's the theme for five points.

But that's the theme that he embodies, is like what if.

Like he's the like it becomes more prevalent as we go on more people start to think more outward.

But he's kind of like in the early seasons, he's the first person that's like what if it was not about any of that?

And and he's and he's a he's a former man of the Knight's Watch, so it's like he understands the value of vows and all that stuff, but he also realized there's greater forces out there, and it's like, yeah, you know, he looked out for people and was able to unite giants and men and these different tribes and people like Tormond, who at the time were like these crazy wild cards.

They all understood that he had their their best interests at heart, and he saw them as people when everybody wanted to kill them and treated them like animals.

Yeah.

So yeah, he was a good dude.

Great performance.

Yeah, amazing performance in a small amount of time.

And he choose up every scene in the best ways possible.

So yeah, that is that.

So we got other some choices in Chad Addie talking about your Mormont, I would have liked to have him go a little bit longer.

I still I still get mad at that death, not with the show, but with the people who did it.

Uh, Sirio Farrell Jared the Type Pilot says that that's a that's ah.

I still look yeah, I still when when that conspiracy theory came up that he was still alive and there was that shadow, people were analyzing a shadow on the word all that ended up being a shadow.

I put aside my reason and my sanity is as a Game of Thrones pundent to to believe that Cero Farrell is going to walk out of the shadows in seasons six.

Well Sria Farrell is alive.

He's Jack and Hagar obviously.

That's the other thing is that, no, you don't understand the House of the House had had been orchestrating her from the very beginning to be their person, and he was Cerrial Farrell and that's how he had the Bravosi coin because the whole he was Bravosi.

That was she would think about Bravos that way, she would get.

I really admire the theory, guys, I really do.

You know.

I don't think it's true, but because Cirio is nice and Jockin is a dick.

But I do think that it's interesting to think you think Jack guy is a dick.

A little bit, A little bit which version of him the one we first made, because I think he's cool for the later.

First jacking is cool, second jocking definitely tough.

And then uh, speaking of and Or, that's where we had Faye Marseilles, uh a big the waif yeh.

Yeah, that that whole that whole operation definitely questionable, and I don't think Ceria would be a part of it.

Although I do acknowledge the bravost connection and I get all that Addie says.

He says, cereal survive.

I mean, hey, you see a body.

I also like the Jared here, all the dire Wolves.

Yeah, God from Lady, I'm with you.

Yeah, you and I being dog lovers.

It's like, man, it's almost worse.

What happens to Gray Wind and what happens It's like Rob's at war.

Gray is a baby.

Is a baby?

Boy?

You didn't do anything?

Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, that's a hard scene.

Uh.

The the end of Lady is a heart.

It's really hard for me to watch.

It's too it's there's a dog and an animal lover.

Youll gout and yeah, because we're talking about rewatching scenes and fights again, that's kind of the same submerged day of just like you know, reliving it.

I just want Ari to get to that kennel and let him loose.

Every time.

I'm like, sprint run, He'll save you.

And then Summer Summer dies be on the wall in the tree right with Max Boncito, Right, yeah, right, what happens?

Someone reminded me y y yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep.

Zombies get her rights.

Yeah, and then Shaggy Dog gets killed by Ramsey Yep.

Yeap man.

Yeah, when when ghosts because there's that epic We been talking about Battle of Winterfel a lot today, but when there's that epic shot of all the the THRACKI and Jorra swords on fire and and and the flaming uh you know, the catapult, the flamings, cannonballs or whatever the fuck they are all the way over them, and then Ghost is on the side of Jordan.

He's running at full speed.

Dude, I was, I was, I was begging.

I was praying to gods.

I don't even believe in that he would make out of that.

And then when when we hadn't seen him in a little while, I was like, oh god, oh God, oh god.

He got eaten.

He got eaten by a zombie.

And when he showed up in the last episode, he only had one year.

He just banged up.

But John gave him that, And honestly, I was glad that that satisfied me as a fan on a petty level, because remember Dan and Dave were getting so much crap for him not being there.

They were like, he he.

Just lets Ghost go.

That was his best friend.

And then who's with him?

In the final the Ghost like come on just just wait.

Let them cook, y'all.

Let them deal with the budget constraints.

They actually did have a deal with the bushet ghost is not cheap and he was being overshadowed by many dragons.

Car Starks did, Shaggy Doug Jaredson's and Shaggy Dug.

A shaky dog is a TV writers code phrase for a plot that goes nowhere, which is why it's it's been used.

Uh yeah, I don't want to turn this to the c a discussion because you and I love that season flaws and all, because I get it.

I get it there's some things blah blah blah.

But I was home on the couch and that shot you're talking about with flames or being launched the doth racket joy it goes I was.

I literally said out loud, I cannot believe I'm watching this on TV because I grew up with that meaning something else.

It meant like air Wolf eighteen, you know, bad sitcoms, And here I'm watching this thing and then like to go to the Internet after I think that that broke me for a permanent break for me and the Internet on that moment.

But anyways, great choice is also in Chattoo.

Marjorie Tiger All comes up from Lauren Romo the GLAT podcast and Addie says, I just want to see Marjorie describe to say I told you so, Marjorie Tyrrell Nedlie Dormer wanted to leave a side like absolutely her death hurt me too, and she would have been great at.

The end as well, Marjorie.

Honestly, if Marjorie makes it to the end, assuming that somehow we get a similar series of events and we could just add her in however that works in your head, just walk with me for a minute.

If she gets to the ending scene where John Snow is on trial for killing Danny and they're like, what if we all here in this tent selected a leader.

I think she gets it.

If she's there, she gets oh yeah, yeah, because she is.

I'm not saying that Sanso So doesn't break away, but I think, like Marjorie controlling six kingdoms and Sansa controlling the North, I think the TAT is, you know, I think that you know, I understand the brand again, not to litigate brand the broken here again, but like I get it.

But Marjorie was truly the best at the actual boots on the ground sort of like governance, like she is understaming.

Yeah she's west Roast as the French say, Lady d Right, she's Princess Diana, so you know who plays the game, and she's in there too.

But yeah, I'm with you on that.

I would have served gladly there.

Jared says, I still think they picked Bran.

I don't think you're wrong there either, too.

Bran Tyrian makes a case that I think it works for me.

But Tierrian also knows something there that he doesn't share explicitly, Like he says the whole like that he knows our stories, you know, what's the whole thing about stories?

But like he's not as literal as we are in that moment, which is like you know, he actually we are actually choosing a somewhat telepathic being to be our case, which is which is wise and everything.

And can I just say one thing about the story thing now that it's been a few years, haven't it's been six years?

Six years been long enough to speak my piece about this.

I love the stories thing, I really do.

This is a positive rant.

When the stories thing happened, I saw a lot of people, you know, again, dragging Bennyoffenwise and being like this is them just you know, just pat themselves in the back of how much they are great writers.

And when this show wins Emmys or whatever awards this year, they're gonna hold their Emmys up and be like, this is for the storytellers.

And like I saw everybody dogging on the Tyrian speech as being too meta.

No, that is so perfectly in character Peterrian Lanister, the one who read books because the mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.

The guy who had his dreams that wanted a dragon, the guy who believed in all this stuff, the guy that valued their traditions, the guy that knew the history that to me tracked so hard.

And he's right, He's right, Like that narrative good or bad, has always mattered.

More like what did the most damage to House Lanister, Not really any act of war.

It was the rumors, just the rumors of incest, the rumors, and they were broke.

You know what what kept the North safe the idea that the Starks were you know, above reproach and were teflon like it's always been.

It was always a perception thing.

Verist even says, that that a very a very small man and casts a very large shadow about him like that's stories story speech is good.

There you go.

I don't six.

We went.

We got four more years to analyze it, right that he says ten years?

Right, in ten years, we'll ask yourselves read.

Maybe in ten years bennyoften Weiss will start doing press for the final season, because that would be awesome.

I'm talk about it.

That would be very awesome.

Celebrate the release of Wins and Winter and ten year anniversity.

There you go, all right.

Final question of the day comes from our buddy Eric Monroe ericson this is on the fly Old and I have not seen this question yet, Michael, I should If you had to travel cross country with one goot character, who would you pick?

As much as the love Stantus, I don't think he'd be the best traffic opanion.

So I'm going with Braun.

Agree very much.

Agree on Stanis, and I will even say to a lesser degree, my guy Jora.

You know when he and Tyrian travel in the show, Jor is not in a good headspace.

So I don't you know, I don't hold it against Jor, but I don't know if I'm traveling with Jura, where do you go with this?

You got to head down or up or out.

It's hard for me to not.

My gut is to say Tyrian, for like all the debauchery and the fact that my buddy would be rich and we could stay on all the best places and like literally we'd be walking around.

Tyrian would flip a gold coin as some guy and it would be the most funny he's ever seen in his life, and we would you know, drink until we couldn't stand up anymore.

Like I know that that's like probably the most like true answer in my heart, But to put that on his shelf because I talk about him so much, I'll challenge myself to not pick him.

I think that there is probably a lot of emotional value and like just like a lot of good times to be had.

Traveling with Brian, I think, like, like I want to be Padrick in this scenario, you want to be I would squire for Brian.

You want her to yell at you at boss here until you're accepted.

I think that's like train me, you're gonna be Sae.

Let's walk around.

She's she's kind, thinks she's hard on pod like all like a like a military instructor.

But she is kind a nice woman, a nice person.

She's very she's sweet.

You're gonna get You're gonna be safe.

You're gonna be safe, You're gonna you know, relatively speaking, I think you come out okay.

That's a good answer.

It's not gonna be a fun it's not a road trip.

It's not a jovial laugh am in a road trip.

But you're in You're in this land.

You're choosing this land.

This is Eric's question is about this world.

Who are you going to travel this world with?

And and Brion.

I think it's not a bad choice.

Bron's a great choice.

But we've seen that we feel that.

Yeah, but Bron also might might stab you in the back of it boooves him.

That's true, all right, My he's not about that my choice.

I'm going back, going back a bit talking about tragic deaths.

This death was tragic.

I'm going with Yoran.

I'm going with Yorn.

This guy has traveled from King's Landing to the wall and there and back again and down south.

He's done, and he's and he's all those horrible things happened to him.

A lot of tragedy, a lot of violence, and he's still just I think one of the coolest m efforts in the room.

You you're gonna walk in.

It's he's almost like Ford Prefixt and Hitchhiker's Guy of the Galaxy, except for Ford sometimes walk in walks into people are upset because he owes them money.

But your walks into any in on the road, any pub in the town, and people someone there's like, you're in yay Joran's back.

I think you're safe in that way.

I think you're safe moving it.

And then you know, look, he he's he was the one man army when he goes like it was an unfortunate and he's brave and he's strong, and I hated to see him go.

And he's so sweet too, So I'm traveling with.

You or I know.

Also just in terms of honorable mentions, that's a great answer.

And he is an underrated character.

I will say, I'm very unforgotten, forgotten, forgotten, underrated, and also emotionally important like he he's part of why are is okay?

And he stops it from seeing something deeply traumatic.

Yeah, and is a friend to ned literally to the end.

I think honorable mentions.

I know this does say go ot, but expanding it to hot D there there's some some some great.

Reach for that hot deal reach.

To the hot D sometimes you have to great picks in there.

As much as Damon's my favorite, I could, I can't.

I can't for that, I cannot, but I think that uh if I could have either Rania or Allison for like a like a it's like a lesbian's road trip, that that would be just like like a like go to the Ping Pony Club.

Actually, you know what how much I love let me take Alison?

That was she could just be out of King's landing and like relax for a while.

Just like stop pulling on her nail stuff.

Okay Alison, Yeah, no more, no more nails stuff, no more like you know, laying in the lake wondering like well I just drowned myself.

Like Allison needs to go to like you would help.

Allison needs to eat grapes, she needs to get a foot massage.

Like maybe like we could relieve her as some of that like western rosie Catholic guilt.

Yeah, there'll be less uptight.

Okay, I yet, Lauren Romo agrees.

She Lauren Romoto also says are for many reasons.

Addy points out Davos.

I think Sir Davos would be good too.

I think it'd be similar to your and but a little bit more.

Uh.

You know, you'd get a speech every time from Davos, like you want to go in that pub.

Here's the thing about that pub.

Let me tell you about what's going wrong in that pub.

I have to understand that they're a happy hour, the happy hour from Freedom.

Davos Reban's one of my favorite characters.

I almost said Torment Giant Spain.

But we all have that friend.

Okay, we all have that friend where it's a lot of fun.

It's great for a day trip, but on day two you're like, all right, he's gonna get us into a fight.

He's going to delay us, he's taken all of the snacks.

I think Torman whar's that as welcome.

Yeah, you said, but we all have that friend.

And I just I zoned first sect thinking about who those friends are in my life, and I was like, yeah, that that person.

Remember when Torman talks about his uh his backstory and season day and he's like, yeah, he he slept with a giant.

He's like the suckle that her tea, she thought that was her baby, or.

Like whatever the hell he is like that guy?

But is that guy you can't trust the stories?

Yep, yep, yeah, I have one of those friends.

I have one of those friends.

Uh you know, uh we used to keep our afternoons clear and uh you know, yeah.

Man, he's very he's he's a day tour Uh yeah, so uh yeah.

Torman's uh in there as well.

But yeah, bron Brown's a good trisy.

But I agree with you.

I think Braun, as he proved even in the end, he'll take he'll take some coin to go a certain direction.

Somebody else that I consider this will be my last little thought.

Is in the categories that I would love to pick them, but I know for my own safety, I can't.

Is uh Melissandra, Now look ye can't.

Now You'll be burning, baby, I'll be I'll be doing bad things.

It's like, how far are you willing to go for a goth Mommy?

Not that far?

Not that far.

Like I'll listen to the sermon, but like it's like once she's like She's like, so I'm going to go in the cave and I'm going to be pregnant.

I'm not pregnant right now, but I will be by tonight.

I'll be nine months, and then it'll be a shadow and it will kill someone.

Then I'm going to be like, I'm too deep.

I'm in too deep.

Yeah.

There you go.

As far as worst traveling companions or you know, bad choices, I actually think John Snow at many points is a bad travel companion, especially early on when he's where he's pouty, you know, and I think you need Yryan to kind of slap him upside his head a little bit, and then he's, uh, he's dour, you know, the man died, so he's got that back of his head and he's got the weight of the world on his shoulder.

So I don't I don't know if I want to travel as much I love John, I don't know if I travel with John.

Yeah, yeah, it's like now now, not maybe with John, but maybe with Egret and we go make fun traveling with Egret.

That could be something traveling with Egret, and then yeah, you would be like, let's go meet up with my boyfriend.

He knows nothing, but it goes down.

Yeah, yeah, but Egret.

I might be wrong on this.

I might be wrong on this.

Maybe it's because it's it's it's the free folk connection, free folk connection.

I think she does.

You picture Kermit right there doing that right you can.

Yes, she might cause a little bit of bro It's the traala la la la part of Egret.

Now.

She loved Josh, she was flirting with him.

It was I got it.

But I think if we're if we're traveling, you know, she's got the wide eyed is at a castle, No, it's a windmill.

But I think that could turn into you might you might have to be corraling her a little bit.

I worry about that when I travel so in Westerress, I think it will.

That's true.

That's true.

She would go off the path and you would be like, we're supposed to be out hot eyes in an hour.

That's me.

I'm just I'm too easily charmed.

Because there's that scene where she's like save me John Snow and like I'm a sucker.

There you go.

Also, someone someone in Chad said hot pie, and that's a great answer to but yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

I don't know hot pie.

Hot pie is where you want to spend the night.

That's what when you're doing a road trip, you're gonna call up hot Pie and say, hey, you got to spot on your couch for me.

I think he proved to be a little bit of a burdensome travel companion.

Yeah.

Yeah, and again hot Eye also you want to see him towards the end of the series because he also had a little bit of an arc off screen, because he's a dick and they need him.

And now mind you, it was a horrible life that they all look like.

Yeah, people in West Roads have the right to be prickly.

That's it's a bad place to live for most people.

Yeah, this is not like who would you want to travel with in Middle Earn where it's like most people most people are very cool.

Yeah yeah, like I love thor some mir But depending on when you find them, he might be uh might be a little too much to handle too.

There you go, Yeah, there you go.

All right, we did it.

That's who we have with Eric.

Thanks for that question, Thanks for all of you hanging out with us today Live.

We're gonna do this, like I said, about once a month until we can really keep going here on the channel again.

And we're good to be.

We're good We're happy to hear here.

We're getting good to be back at a more full time level.

But hang with us while we do this format too, and like subscribe all those things we're listening on the audio side, we thank you as well.

If you're watching a clip later on, and also if you watch the live show with the full episode, go check out the clips too, as we hopefully use those to reach more people.

That's it for me, Alden.

Where can they find you?

And speaking of you know, opinions and everything, You're you're looking to come back on the Star Wars side too, That is true.

You can find me personally at that alten Diaz on Instagram and blue Sky Blue Sky of course, dot be Sky dot Social.

Casually Talked is there as well at Cashlee Talk dot b skuy dot social, as well as anytime with Kennon Alden.

That's at anytime on air across the social sets there.

And then yes, my Star Wars podcast out to Radio is going to come back with a little bit of a rebrand.

Cost money to get those graphics and then make some of the changes and do some things, and so it's coming.

She's a coming, I guess it's a coming.

Well, we're looking forward to that, looking forward to you all again hanging out with us soon.

All right, we'll see you next time.

I'm bye bye,