How Not To Suck At Divorce (00:00)

Timing.

A divorce is not a selfish move. It is a strategic move.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (00:07)

If you know divorce is coming, but you're not ready to pull the trigger, that does not make you weak. It makes you strategic. Use this time to prepare, stabilize your home, protect your kids, and build the foundation that you're going to need when you're ready. You don't have to file today to start getting ready for tomorrow.

Andrea Rappaport (00:28)

If you're going through a divorce or thinking about getting a divorce, this is the podcast for you. Hosted by Morgan Stogsdill, the head of family law at the largest family law firm in the country and comedian Andrea Rappaport, you're gonna laugh, you're gonna learn, you're gonna avoid major divorce mistakes. This is How Not to Suck at Divorce.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (00:50)

You know, Andrea, the biggest takeaway I hope that people get from listening to this podcast is that they make better decisions, but being proactive and not reactive.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (00:58)

Yeah, I know, but being proactive about your divorce can come with a lot of really big, uncomfortable feelings, especially when it pertains to your kids.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (01:09)

I couldn't agree more, but that's why I want you to consider using the co-parenting app to help with communication. We want you to look at the most court-respected app, Our Family Wizard.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (01:18)

visit the landing page that we created together. There is a ton of useful information and when you're ready to make the next step, our family wizard is ready to support you.

Morgan L. Stogsdill (01:29)

visit ourfamilywizard.com backslash not suck 20 to save 20 % off your first year of the essentials package.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (01:37)

The one thing that I have learned about using QuickBooks is that it is not quick.

Morgan Stogsdill (01:44)

Or helpful at times.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (01:47)

No. The hell, I mean, how many hours did we spend going through numbers and, ⁓ God, the makers of QuickBooks, take the wheel away from me, please.

Morgan Stogsdill (02:03)

I was kind of impressed by you because when I was like, we need to figure out an accounting system, you're like, I got it. You downloaded it, you uploaded all the things we had to do. And then it was like the wheels fell off.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (02:15)

Uh-huh. They did. you and I thought, ⁓ we're gonna have this little meeting and staycation getaway. And it was completely absorbed.

by the slowest books in the entire land. However, we could not have had a more beautiful backdrop for our Quick Book thesco. Do you agree?

Morgan Stogsdill (02:41)

Yes, we actually had fireplaces in our rooms. It was fabulous.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (02:45)

It was fabulous. And it was a far cry from the disastrous ⁓ hotel that you've all have heard about in Los Angeles because this week, ya girls had a night at the Waldorf Astoria. And it was so freaking fabulous. I was joking around with our new best friend, shout out DeAndre.

when we left that I was changing my home address and our business address to the Waldorf. So be on the lookout for mail.

Morgan Stogsdill (03:18)

You know what? They were so great there, including DeAndre and all of his colleagues. I bet they would do QuickBooks for us. I bet they would do it.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (03:26)

I mean, literally any time we picked up the phone and asked for something, not only did they do it, they apologized first for not have already have done it, which I'm like, I can get behind this. codependent concierge. Yes, baby. we're so sorry, Ms. Rappaport. We'll be right up. ⁓ yeah, you are sorry. Get up here. It was absolutely, it was so gorgeous.

I mean, we cannot say enough.

Morgan Stogsdill (03:54)

talk about what you made me do while we were together overnight.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (03:59)

You know, if you know Morgan, you know that her favorite thing in the whole world is the world of woo woo. Woo woo, if you will. So we're sitting in our room and we are going through QuickBooks and we're about to pull out our hair extensions. And I'm like, you know what? We got to get out of this room. We got to get out of this room. We got to turn off this fireplace, which might've been poisoning us.

with carbon monoxide TBD, but we're like, we got to get out of here. We're going to go outside and take a walk. But I knew we were going. So we're walking outside and Morgan's like, where are we going? What's going on? I'm like, oh, I know this little place I want to show you. So for those of you who are Chicagoans, we are at the corner of Oak and Rush in Gold Coast. And I'm like, oh, it's just a few doors down. And I take her to the

Morgan Stogsdill (04:37)

Okay. Okay.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (04:53)

Chicago famous

astrologer on Oak Street. And I'm trying to remember what is the name of that business? Hang on. I just looked it up so I could give it a proper shout out. It's called the Astrology Boutique Oak Street Psychic and Aura Readings. And we got red.

Morgan Stogsdill (05:11)

Yes, and we

did, we got read. And it was interesting after you got up the 17 flights of stairs to get there, it was very inviting. And the woman who'd read our cards was very nice, but.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (05:19)

you

Morgan Stogsdill (05:24)

I'm gonna give you a little secret about myself. She basically told me that everything was good in my life. I was very logical, but I needed to take a load off. She basically said, get with your spiritual woo-woo side, Morgan. And I almost fell off my chair because she said everything else is in place, but your woo-woo side, not in place.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (05:46)

It was so interesting because this woman knew nothing about us. We didn't make an appointment. She did not know our names. She didn't know who we were. ⁓ Like nothing. We walk in and she, I mean, she read us right.

I was just dumbfounded. And we're both just laughing like, my God, what is happening? This is so weird, so great, and so heavy. was all the things.

Morgan Stogsdill (06:05)

Okay. Okay.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (06:13)

much like how you right now listening to this episode, especially if you're listening to this episode because of the way that it's titled, you're

probably going through all the things. You want to feel like everything is normal and good in your life. Maybe things for the most part are good, but maybe you're absorbed by the fact that

Morgan Stogsdill (06:27)

Yeah.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (06:39)

you know you are heading towards divorce. Maybe you guys are both on the same page about that. Maybe you both are not. But whether it's for financial reasons, personal reasons, or maybe you're just trying to make it through the holiday season, or maybe you're trying to make it through a big milestone, for some reason, you are not ready to file for divorce immediately. But you're miserable. So what do do? ⁓

Morgan Stogsdill (06:58)

you

Yes.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (07:08)

Well, something that we want you to consider on this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce is what they call a silent divorce. And no, it's not the Christmas

but possibly all will be calm if you apply this method.

Morgan Stogsdill (07:29)

So you've heard of this concept. It's kind of all the rage. It's out there in the media. It's called the silent divorce. But what the hell is it? And how can you help yourself if you are in the silent divorce? You know, it's funny, Andrea, because we were just talking about this article on Oprah Daily. Remember her? Uh-huh.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (07:47)

I remember Oprah. Yeah, heard of her.

Morgan Stogsdill (07:52)

Heard of her.

And the article was about why so many couples are opting for the silent divorce. And the gist of the article was that this temporary solution is just that, it's temporary. It doesn't work long-term, but it can be helpful if you need a band-aid. And let's be honest, sometimes a band-aid is good for that time period. So a silent divorce really involves kind of just backing out of the marriage, but you're still married. And it's more about

your mental status, how you're acting in the marriage, and whether you're participating in the marriage or if you're not, you might be in a silent divorce.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (08:30)

So I think there's two different ways of doing a silent divorce. So I want to break it down for everybody. Let's give everyone two buckets here, because you're going to fall into one of these two. One way is that both parties know that they are participating in a silent divorce and they're just waiting, right, for one reason or another. But you guys are on the same page. We know we're heading for divorce, but right now we're going to participate in a silent divorce. And the other bucket...

is where just one person, probably the one who's listening to this episode, is emotionally detached, wants a divorce, but is just waiting for a better time to quote unquote pull the trigger.

Morgan Stogsdill (09:12)

So let's talk about, before we hop into more about silent divorce, let's talk about the signs of a silent divorce and what they involve. So specifically, you might be in a silent divorce if you're having minimal communication.

The loss of intimacy, living parallel lives. You're almost feeling like you're living with a roommate or you're just in and out from each other. And I'm not talking about the normal thing that goes on with kids, know, trying to get them certain places at certain times. There's avoidance of conflict. There's no affection or romance. And there's a sense of loneliness even when you are together with your spouse.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (09:47)

Oh yeah, that brings back some memories. So we want to make this episode really actionable. we're going to give you guys some guidelines of three things that you can do. Okay. And we're not going to get into the things that you shouldn't do because you guys aren't dumb. You know that, right? Don't do body shots off your dad right now and then tell your spouse, know what?

I want to divorce your ass and I'm going to go hook up with DeAndre at the Waldorf. We're not going to do that. But what should you do if you fall into the bucket of both parties know that you're going to divorce, but you're not divorcing right now, so you guys are in a silent divorce?

Morgan Stogsdill (10:33)

Here's a few dos for you. The first do is during this period, keep things predictable.

There should not be any major changes in your routine. You want to feel like you are living roommate energy, but with kindness. Does that make sense, Andrea?

How Not To Suck At Divorce (10:50)

So yes, keep things predictable, meaning, I mean, I think we all function better when we know what to expect, right? So don't start rearranging the house and don't start doing things that you normally wouldn't do and start behaving in an erratic or unpredictable way. And I think like that then kind of tied to what you said about how you would treat a roommate who...

You're not trying to get to move out immediately.

Morgan Stogsdill (11:20)

Right. The second do I would say is if you are in a place, because remember, this is when two people kind of know they're heading towards the divorce. So it's out there, but they're waiting for something, whatever that may be. And so if you are in the position where you can discuss some rules, almost like living with a roommate,

For example, this is what really bothers me and this is what I'm asking of you. Maybe it's that one person stay in one bedroom and another person stay in another or ⁓ one person doesn't use certain rooms in the house. Whatever that is to make you feel comfortable, if you can make some of those rules and live by it, it will make this period much easier.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (12:02)

I mean, it sounds like we're talking about boundaries here, but how? That feels like such an uncomfortable conversation. but I get, mean, I obviously it has to happen, but I'm just thinking in your experience, Morgan, what are ways that you have had clients successfully communicate? Hey, how do we want to figure out the sleeping situation for the next month or so?

Morgan Stogsdill (12:29)

Mm-hmm, yeah. So, well, I think just kind of like you are wording it, and then they're organically kind of coming to an agreement. And I've seen all different agreements. It's, is my bedroom, I'm moving into the guest room, you take the master. Or week on week off in the master. Or, you know, I'm going to go into a totally different room, but I'm going to move.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (12:30)

How are they wording that?

Morgan Stogsdill (12:51)

all of my stuff from the master and that's going to be my space. Please don't enter it. There are so many different ways to work that out.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (12:57)

I know of couples who have also come up with reasons, ways to justify this sleeping arrangement to the kids. They said things like, well, mommy snores and it keeps daddy up at night. So daddy's going to start sleeping in this room for a while until that changes or things like that.

Morgan Stogsdill (13:21)

Yes.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (13:24)

Are there any other phrases that you know work well as far as explaining the sleeping arrangements to kids?

Morgan Stogsdill (13:29)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, there's another one. So if both parents are working, you can say that one parent's work schedule has required later hours. So they're going to be on the computer at night, keeping the other person up, or earlier hours. They have to leave the house a little earlier. So this is why we're making this change in the household.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (13:48)

Okay, got it. we've got have boundaries and keep things predictable. What's the third do?

Morgan Stogsdill (13:56)

The third do here is very important. So, you're in limbo in this silent divorce, meaning you're just not quite ready to file for divorce. But what we don't want you to do is essentially just sit there and do nothing in this limbo period. We want you to treat this time period as preparation, not limbo. So we want you to think about your financials. We want you to think about going to therapy to get stronger on your end.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (14:16)

Mm-hmm.

Morgan Stogsdill (14:26)

We want you to think about potentially talking to attorneys or at least starting to research at that point. So it shouldn't be idle time where you're kind of miserable sitting with your spouse and you know what's gonna happen next.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (14:39)

I think that what you said rings true on so many different levels because when we think that we're in limbo, it's so funny because when you think about limbo, you think about doing nothing. But when we're doing nothing, that's when our mind starts racing versus when we're

Morgan Stogsdill (14:53)

Mm-hmm.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (15:00)

actually doing something to move the ball forward, your brain is going to be in a calmer place. And here's what you need to know. No matter what, the fear that you're having right now is normal. But fear doesn't mean that you're making the wrong decision. Okay? Fear disappears when you start to have more clarity. Don't wait on all these things that Morgan just talked about. Don't wait.

on learning about your finances. Don't wait on seeing a therapist. Don't wait on any of this because the sooner that you get support, the fewer mistakes that you're gonna make. And the other thing is, is that if you're listening to this episode in time when this episode is being launched and it's the holiday season and you're feeling really overwhelmed because you and your soon to be ex have to go to all these.

holiday things together and you've got to make the holidays good for the kids and you're like, how the fuck are we going to do this? Well, if you can, why don't you ask your spouse? Why don't you say, how can we make the next few weeks, the next month easier for each other? I'm feeling this. What are you feeling? This is what I need. What do you need from me?

during this period of time.

Morgan Stogsdill (16:27)

Yeah, I think that's important. So let's move on to, what if I'm the only one who knows? Like I've just totally disconnected. And I know that I'm basically living this silent divorce, but my spouse has no idea. They don't, they're not aware that I'm living like this. They're not aware that these thoughts are going through my head. So let's talk about that.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (16:48)

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. Yes, let's talk about that. So if you are sitting on the information that you really want to divorce and you are waiting until a better time to tell your spouse, like we said before, maybe it's because of the holidays or maybe you're just waiting for a big milestone to pass, or maybe you're waiting to pass a kidney stone. We want to recognize that you're carrying a lot of weight, but I want you all to hear me on this.

Timing.

A divorce is not a selfish move. It is a strategic move.

Morgan Stogsdill (17:24)

And when you're being strategic, this is again, when one person knows that they're in this silent divorce, or they want a divorce and the other one does not. Here are some dos that I want you to keep in mind. Number one, do understand that secrecy is not deceitful, it's careful behavior at this point, you're protecting yourself. I know that was a lot to take in, I'm going to say it again.

Do understand that your secrecy during this time is not deceitful, it's being careful.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (17:53)

that feels so weird to hear because I think so many people are gonna think, but I feel like such an asshole because I'm holding something to myself.

Morgan Stogsdill (18:03)

Yeah, I understand. And that's, that is a way that a lot of people feel. what I see legally and in my office, that is a way that people feel because they feel like, you you've been with this person for so long and now you're plotting against them. But really I want you to think about it like this. It's, it's being strategic. You're not plotting against them. You're, you're getting yourself up to speed.

on things that you should be knowledgeable on before you make that next step.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (18:33)

⁓ Okay, got it. What's the next?

Morgan Stogsdill (18:36)

All right, number

two, do have one person to confide in. Notice that we said one, not 25, not John at the bar, not Tina from the bar. We don't want those people. We want one person. Loudmouth Sally, no thanks. One person that you can trust and confide in so you're not feeling so alone. We only say one because it really does start to get messy. And if you wanna...

How Not To Suck At Divorce (18:49)

Not loudmouth Sally.

Morgan Stogsdill (19:03)

You know, Andrew was just talking about how you feel bad about you thinking this way or prepping. That's another way that you're really gonna feel bad if you start telling a lot of people.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (19:12)

Yep, you get all these voices and opinions. Okay. So we're going to tell only one person what's going on. And we are going to, my God, I already forgot the first do. What?

Morgan Stogsdill (19:28)

The

first one is that your preparation is not being deceitful or secret. It's essentially preparation and just that.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (19:39)

Got it. So the first do is just knowing that you're not being deceitful. You're preparing. Okay. Okay.

Morgan Stogsdill (19:49)

And

the third do, the third do is similar to the last grouping of action items that we gave you, which is again, use this time to get prepared. That's the only way, preparation is the only way you're gonna feel comfortable when you're ready to move forward in this process. And if you have the time, prepare. There's no other way to say it. You should be prepared.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (20:13)

So here's my question. How does preparation look different when you and your spouse know that you're both heading towards divorce versus when only you know?

Morgan Stogsdill (20:27)

Yeah, so if only you know, one way preparation would be different is maybe you're working with your attorney whenever that time comes to talk to your spouse about how you're feeling in this divorce and what it's going to look like. Maybe you're working with your therapist during this time to talk about that. Maybe you're working with your therapist to talk about just getting up the nerve to leave the marriage. So the process in the beginning certainly looks different than the couple that already knows that they're going down that road.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (20:57)

Maybe you're working with your astrologer.

Morgan Stogsdill (21:00)

You never know, maybe she gives you a stone, makes you pay $20 for it, it's in your work bag, and she claims that it's gonna give you good energy. That's what I'm walking around with.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (21:10)

Or maybe you have a $95 bracelet that looks like a weapon that's supposed to ward off evil spirits. I'm like, yeah, because I could kill them with this bracelet dagger. Maybe there's that.

Morgan Stogsdill (21:23)

You never know what you could walk out with. And if you don't know, Andrea and I did walk out with a stone. It looked like I could have picked it out of my garden. I had to pay $20 for it. It is now in my work bag. And yes, I'm carrying that around. Good juju. And Andrea walked out with a bracelet that looks like black daggers on it that she essentially is going to ward off evil spirits.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (21:45)

Good Lord. let's remind everybody of the dues for if only you know that you are gonna be participating in a silent divorce.

Morgan Stogsdill (21:55)

Let's hit it. Number one, do understand that secrecy isn't deceitful, it's careful behavior. Number two, have that one person that you confide in, only one. Number three, begin preparing logistics, whether it's documents, therapy, preparation on what attorneys or mediators may look like because preparation reduces your panic.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (22:19)

Morgan, I know we want to talk for a minute about people who are listening to this episode in real time. So why don't we address the holiday stuff right now?

Morgan Stogsdill (22:29)

Yep.

Yes, that's a great idea because I want to give a special word of advice if you're listening to this episode when it originally launched, which is during the holiday season. And if you're not just know that this will be helpful to you too, because if you're living this silent divorce, the reality is you're probably faking it in front of your family or two families or many sets of families. And it's exhausting legally and strategically. The holidays are usually not the best time to

drop any life altering news. This is not the time that you show up to the Christmas dinner table and say, want a divorce in front of your mother-in-law. That would be very bad because the reality is, although this is a lovely time of year, everyone's emotions are so heightened at this time of year. Kids are off of school, families around, which always adds another layer. It's not the ideal moment to make a massive decision or announce a major change in your life.

Even in functional marriages, know this, that the holidays are stressful. You're talking about something where your marriage is a little shaky or maybe it's over in your mind. So think about, that's double the stress. mean, divorce at the dinner table sounds like a movie I personally don't wanna see.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (23:43)

It sounds like a movie I have seen. Sounds like a movie I've lived. I mean, yeah, man. I can tell you that I lived that. I didn't divorce over, I didn't talk about it, but I remember navigating family, ⁓ big holiday things, knowing something that nobody else in the room knew. And it...

Morgan Stogsdill (23:46)

You've actually, you've starred in it.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (24:12)

It's a nauseating feeling. It's hard. It doesn't feel good. And there's no advice that I can give you right now. There is no magic thing that you can go click your heels together three times in a bathroom and it's gonna go away. It's not gonna go away. But I also wanna let you know that this is not the time to pretend that everything is fine. So...

You have to get it together enough so you're not falling apart, but don't put that extra pressure on you to show up and be perfect because that will crush you. That fake energy, even if you go to the best astrologer

Morgan Stogsdill (24:50)

Right.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (25:01)

down the street and she gives you a stone and a cloak and dagger, you can't be phony. I think that if you can curl your hair,

Morgan Stogsdill (25:09)

No.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (25:12)

and tie your tie and look put together, that's enough. But you don't have to be perfect.

Morgan Stogsdill (25:17)

All right,

I know. And you know, I think the message here is be respectful, be kind. Obviously don't confuse civility with performing in a marriage that's already emotionally done. Obviously do what you can to protect where you need to protect if you have children. Protect your children. That's where you're going to put on the show. But for your spouse, again, respectful kindness is exactly what we're asking you to do.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (25:45)

And before we remind everybody of these do's in the episode, I just want to leave you with this. Your life right now is not going to be beautiful and perfect no matter what you do. If you pretend, if you try to go all out and decorate your home like a winter wonderland, you're still going to be crying in your bathroom.

And that's okay, you're gonna get through this, but you need to lower your expectations. You're not gonna have a hallmark version of the holidays this year, and you're not gonna have a hallmark version of your marriage. I think that you should keep your interactions really simple. I think you should avoid some big...

conversations and big promises and do your very best to stay grounded. Move your body, take walks, take time by yourself, talk to that one person who you can confide in. And my God, if you have a TV show that takes you out and lets your brain like have a minute of rebooting, go watch it. Even if it's that terrible All's Fair on Hulu, which now I am low key obsessed with.

Morgan Stogsdill (26:58)

I thought you were gonna say the Diddy documentary, so.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (27:01)

No, girl, you're down with the ditty. I'm actually watching something else right now on Netflix that's equally as disturbing. And you know what? people can get that. Sometimes the true crime stuff really does help people go to that other place. They're like, lucky bastard chopped into a million pieces.

Morgan Stogsdill (27:17)

too.

All right, so if you both know that you're in the silent divorce, you both know you're going down that road. Number one, keep things predictable. It should feel like roommate energy with kindness. Number two, if you are in the position where you can discuss some boundaries, make some rules, do it. It's easier that way. Number three, treat this time as preparation, not limbo.

Talk to lawyers, get your budget going, therapists, whatever you need to do, but learn about the potential process ahead of you. you are the only one that knows you're living this type of silent divorce and your spouse is unaware. Number one, do understand that secrecy isn't deceitful. It is careful, it's strategic. Number two, do have that one person you confide in. Number three,

Begin prepping logistics, again, documents, expenses, preparation reduces panic. So get your feet wet in that so that when it's all happening, you're prepared for it, you're ready.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (28:27)

And we have so many other episodes that we encourage you to go back and listen to. If you do a search for not quite ready to divorce or really anything that has to do with divorce prep, it'll pull all of those up. So go back and listen to the episodes where we really get into the specifics of what you should be doing. But just know that even though this time period in your life is gonna feel sticky, it's gonna get better.

And I want you to be prepared that when you start the divorce process itself, it's probably going to get a little bit stickier, but that's okay. You got to get the ball rolling. You have to move forward because the only way out is through.

Morgan Stogsdill (29:14)

Right, because divorce is a marathon. It is not a sprint. There are some days that it's like day by day and other days. Babe, you're dealing hour by hour. That's just the reality of where you are. You are treading water and it's okay because there will be another day, hopefully, God willing or stone willing, tarot card willing. There will be another day and it probably will not be as bad as your worst day.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (29:34)

Don't Willing.

And then a few years from now, this is going to all be behind you and your life is going to be so much healthier and so much happier. You have a great chance of getting that hallmark ending. It just might not be now. And that's okay. And you know what? When you are sitting here so worried about what about my kids? How am I going to give my kids this last beautiful Christmas as a family or whatever it is?

Think about what a beautiful role model you are being for your children by working towards a healthier and happier life. They are watching and they are learning from you. So do the very best you can. We all make mistakes, speaks more than the mistake is how you pick yourself up and keep going. So keep going.

Morgan Stogsdill (30:29)

That's right.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (30:30)

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Morgan Stogsdill (30:51)

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How Not To Suck At Divorce (31:04)

You guys can do this. I know it feels hard. I know it feels overwhelming. I was right there. I really was. And my life is so much grander now. It takes some time and it takes a lot of work, but you can do this. And baby, you've got this.

Morgan Stogsdill (31:23)

And we, my friends, have got you.

How Not To Suck At Divorce (31:27)

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