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This is Sharry.

Good Evening, massive show tonight, I've got leaked ABC emails, Whipper will join me live and Alban Easy shown to be a copycat.

Here's what's coming up.

Leaked ABC emails exposed bias at the broadcaster.

How a Palestinian mother told the ABC her son was alive, but they reported he'd been killed anyway.

This huge story coming up.

Green Senator Marine Ferruki charges taxpayers for her family member to fly to Melbourne where she attended a pro Palestinian protest.

I'll speak about that with Michael Kroger and Albin Ezi takes credit for policy that wasn't his idea.

Whipper, who led the campaign for the social media ban, will be on the show, but first tonight you couldn't miss Alban Easy today king his world leading social media ban for kids.

He'd even invited Oprah to attend his press conference and thought perhaps she'd give him her Royal endorsement.

She didn't turn up.

Now, Albaneze likes to pretend this was all his idea, but it wasn't.

It was Peter Dutton who announced a social media ban for teenagers a full three months before Albanese did.

Now, the Prime Minister did give Peter Dutton some credit today, but only for supporting his legislation.

I do want to acknowledge as well, Peter Dutton on a daylight today.

This legislation passed the parliament last year with bipartisan support.

And that's Sam Kutzba, because what Albaneze failed to mention is that his policy was Dutton's idea.

And in fact, when the Coalition put forward a trial social media ban, the Albanezy government at first voted against it.

In fact, in April last year, then Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman first spoke about an age limit for children.

In this article in the Cinney Morning Herald titled Coalition pushes compulsory age limits for social media.

Coleman said the Coalition says young children should be blocked from social media to protect them from violent content, and age verification should be made compulsory.

A month after that, the news papers kicked off their campaign and David Coleman explained his policy on the ABC the next month.

I mean, we can come to technically how that would work, but in principle you're saying what age should kids not beyond social media yeah.

We Look, we've said we don't really see why kids under sixteen need to be on social media.

But you know what, we'll have more to say about that in the future.

So the coalition is essentially arguing kids under sixteen you would like to ban from social media.

Well, look, we've said we don't see why kids under sixteen should be on social media, David.

Different people have different views on the age, but bottom line is little kids should not be on social media.

And Peter Darton also held a formal press conference to announce their policy for banning social media for teenagers in June last year.

There is no scenario whether social media companies will do the right thing, and so we're going to force them to.

It's the right thing to do, and we hope that the government will get behind this.

The companies will be required to comply with the new law, and that will include penalties if they don't.

I don't understand what the government's hesitation is at the moment, but this is one of those issues where we can try and help protect kids online, try and help families and parents have the tools that they need to help protect their children.

But it's one of those issues that really should be approached on a bipartisan basis.

Well, it was another three months later, in September last year, that Albanzi finally followed suit and copied Dutton's policy, and alban Ezi announced a trial.

What we want to do is to get our kids off their devices and onto the footy fields or the netball courts.

Social media has a social responsibility in order to have that social license.

It's not easy.

We accept that, and the result mightn't be perfect.

And even then Albanizi couldn't answer questions about whether the age limit should be fourteen or sixteen, and other ministers that day said it might be thirteen.

Now putting that aside, this is great policy, serious, necessary, important policy.

It's arguably the best decision this government has made.

But the Prime Minister should be honest about it.

It wasn't his idea.

He's not known for original thinking, oh brave ideas.

It was coalition policy he simply lifted.

But regardless of the politics of this, the substance matters.

We do need a social media age limit because the tech giants are destroying young lives and fueling mental health issues in teenagers young teenagers.

Our children deserve a childhood and they deserve to be protected.

And hopefully this policy is the start.

And as I mentioned, Whipper will be on the show in a moment just to speak about this.

But now to leak to emails the show, the ABC was told by a Palestinian mother that her son was a lie, but their on air report falsely claimed he'd been killed, and when the boy was confirmed to be alive, the ABC, in these league emails said it wouldn't be reporting the fact.

These emails expose extraordinary bias, dereliction of duty and reporting of simply fake news by the public broadcaster.

On August six, the ABC Middle East correspondent Eric Tozik sent an email to the Israel run Gaza Humanitarian Foundation seeking comment for a story.

In the email, the journalist said, and I quote my colleagues are working on a story about the young boy known as Emir, who former UG Solutions contractor Anthony Aguila allegers was shot by the IDF after attending a GHF site near the Morag corridor on May twenty eight.

Emir's adoptive mother has told us she doesn't believe her son was killed.

She told us she believes he was taken by American contractors and fed and cared for because he was in a bad state when he attended the aid site.

But she has not seen him since that day, and Eric requested any further information from the GHF.

And this is the organization that was set up by Israel to distribute aid to Palestinians.

So those emails show the ABC had been told by the boy's mother that she believed he was alive and was being cared for, yet there was no mention of this in the ABC's on air report none at all.

Instead, have a listen to what the ABC reported in an interview with discredited former contractor Anthony Aguila.

On the eighth of May.

A young boy named Amir was at Site number two and he was with the group getting aid.

As he left with the crowd, the Israeli defense forces were shooting warning shots along the path.

People were lying on that intersection, lying there dead, and a mirror was amongst those that were dead.

I've been questioned on that, and I've been pushed back on that, saying that you know, I didn't see that, and you know I know what I saw vindication from this a couple days ago, from the picture that I took an NGO in Gaza, took the picture to the hospital to see if they could identify his body.

And they couldn't find his body, but they did find his mother.

And his mother has been missing him since the twenty eighth.

She hasn't been able to find him.

No one's been able to find him.

I got to talk to her on the phone two days ago on a zoom call with a translator, and it was very hard, very hard to share that story with her, to tell her that her son is most likely, you know, from what I saw, most likely, you know, he was dead.

So that's a pretty clear report on the ABC that a ten year old boy had been killed by the Israeli Defense Forces.

Yet the ABC had spoken to the mother and she told them she believed he was alive.

I mean, you'd think that was pretty relevant information to include, but they didn't include the mother's opinion in their report.

The GHF had also thoroughly disputed the claims from that contractor, interviewed and discredited his allegations, but none of this was included in the ABC's report either.

Now, the GHF then emailed the ABC in September, the month after and asked this GHF has found this boy and we can confirm he is alive and safe.

Are you planning to cover again?

You'd think this would be a relevant follow up for the ABC, But the journalist Eric Tozek responded to say in the end, the ABC did not actually run any story about Tony Gui Wheler's allegations about Emir and his supposed death.

As you pointed out, there were some inconsistencies and elements of the story which could not be verified.

Consequently, I'm not sure if we will cover this new development as we did not cover the initial allegations, but I've emailed my editors about it.

So the ABC broadcast a report that claimed a Palestinian boy had been killed by Israel, and when the boy was confirmed alive, they refused to report it.

And that false radio report, by the way, hasn't been removed from their website either.

The only correction an editor's note added to the bottom that says this editor's note.

About one month after this interview, media reports emerged that Emir had been found alive following a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation investigation.

Now I contacted the ABC today.

I asked them if they'd be taking down from their website that inaccurate report, and this is what a spokesman told me.

Complaints regarding the radio interview with Anthony Aguila were dealt with by the Umbudsman's office.

In September, the story was updated with an editor's note stating about one month after the interview, media reports emerged that Amir had been found.

Eric Tozek was looking into the story separately to the radio interview and did not report on it.

So still I asked them directly, will you now be removing that false report from ABC's website.

No sign that they will now.

These leaked emails that I've obtained are highly damaging for the ABC.

A little boy's mother told them that he was alive and was being cared for by Israel.

This is information, presumably that she would have been given by Israel by official and yet the ABC didn't report it, despite having comments both from the GHF and from the boy's mother.

Instead, they allowed the fake news, and it is fake news, to run that Emir was dead and had been killed by Israel.

It's these lies by a mission, it's this distortion of the truth.

It's these false reports that utterly destroys the ABC's reputation, and this means that you have to take everything you read and watch on the ABC with a pinch of salt.

And it's why there should be an inquiry into its bias.

This is disgraceful and it's false reports like this that have contributed to the anti Semitism crisis in our nation.

All right, let's return now to the social media band that started today and I'm joined by I Nova radio host Michael Whipfley Whipper, thank you so much for your time, Thank you so much for joining us.

Look, you've been leading this campaign to have an age limit on social media for a long time now, well before the Albanezy government jumped on the bandwagon.

A huge congratulations to you and your team.

How are you feeling today that it's actually now taken effect?

Well today, I mean it's a similar to when the Prime Minister made the announcement that there would be a change to the law, and it's just one of relief and I know a lot of parents would agree with that, but quietly, I think it's an absolute relief for a lot of the kids as well.

You know, I know when we visited many schools, we were there with developmental pediatrician, doctor Billy Garvey, and we would ask some questions gently around support in the playground friendship, and we sort of strategically navigated to the question which we would end each session with, and that question was, if social media didn't exist and the person sitting next to you didn't have it, would you be okay with that?

And every hand would go up.

So I think quietly it's a relief for a lot of kids as well.

That's fascinating to hear that perspective as well, because today we've heard many in many media outlets the opposite.

You know, we've been told that teenagers have been boasting on social media that they've been able to get around the law.

Have a look at this.

I'm not sure.

I don't know if you guys can hear me or see me if this is even going to work.

I think I may have found a loophole.

You love me, baby, love me.

Things are not good over here, and I have to make this quick before they can get me.

Tangled.

I can guess, my brother.

So that was a compilation put together by the Cinemoni Herald.

But wipper are we going to see many teens just finding ways to join new apps or get around these laws.

Yeah, I mean to be honest with you, Yeah we will, We absolutely will.

But I would like to think that this is just the starting point and that's the big picture showy, Like, we need to understand there is no silver bullet to this.

We have to start somewhere.

The law change is the first thing, and then the behavior change is the second.

So you know, even for the particular wording around a social media ban, you know, if you pull back the lens a little, we've been calling it a buffer.

We've been calling it a delay because yes, it is a band right now for kids between the age of thirteen and sixty, and I understand that there's going to be some frustrating times there.

But my kids are ten, nine and five, and I would like to think by the time they hit thirteen or they have an interest in social media, we've got enough of an understanding and on a grassroots level with the parents as well, we can stick together.

We have that clear air and we're able to say no, we don't do that, guys, that's not what we do anymore.

There's a better world out there that can build a better well being for our teens.

Yeah, I think You're right, it'll be hardest for those who are already using it to communicate with their friends.

But but then you know, the a couple of years younger, it'll be much easier to stop them getting onto the apps.

I mean, parents can just say it's against the law.

You can't do that.

You know, they could be a fine, or at least a fine for the tech companies.

Anyway, perhaps they should be a fine for the teenagers as well, clean their room or something that might help them.

Could you imagine you can write up you can write up that punishment list and I'll just sit here watching whipper.

I heard you talk about how some teens are moving on to another app called Lemon eight.

I think that's what you said.

It was called, and it's owned by TikTok's owner, Bite Dance, So this is quite deceptive con Yeah, well this is deceptive conduct from the tech giants then.

Yeah, And this is going to be the role that the government will need to play, you know, as part of the new law and the way we approach things, the government and the E Safety Commissioner, she'll need to be completely across the developing apps and the merging world that we now have when it comes to different platforms and the different techniques to drag kids back into this attention grabbing skill that these apps have.

I mean, they're an insecurity amplifier and they'll do everything they can to grab your attention and then sell your kids attention.

That's their business model.

It's as simple as that.

So that's the government's role and that's where you know, at thirty six months, which is what we've been campaigning about, you know, we're going to watch closely, as the world is watching closely.

But I just hope the Commonwealth sticks to their word and holds the torch to the toes of anybody trying to break the rules.

The South Australian Premier Malanowskus yesterday held a press conference and he actually expressed support for banning smartphones for teenagers.

Here's what he said.

That these things are destroying our kids' lives and upbringing, so let's do something about it.

I'm going to lead that effort, right because there's a lot at stake here.

We talk about the burden on the mental health.

I mean, I'm getting fired up here it actually but it's but if we're not willing to get fired up and enthusiastic about showing leadership on behalf of our kids.

What are we here for?

Yeah, and he actually invested money in another kind of organization, Weight Mate and I had one of their co founders on the program on Monday Night.

But do you think this is the next step banning smartphones for teenagers?

As the Premier was speaking about.

It's a really interesting point.

I think there is an evolution of where where we've got to today, which naturally lends itself to being able to explore how else we can do things better.

You know, Weight Made are a great team.

They have a simple message.

They want parents to get together and they want them to wait.

They want them to wait till the kids are sixteen.

In New South Wales, as you would know, the government's introduced this in the public schooling system along a lot of the private schools and the Catholic schools also are taking note.

They've got some thoughts regarding dumb phones.

There needs to be a better word for that being in the system.

But at the same time, I think Peter Malanawskis has been an absolute campaign leader for what we believe is common sense, and he has been sensational and he won't stop at what he believes is the best way to bring up kids, and.

So have you been outstanding on this issue.

A huge congratulations to you, Whip.

I thought you'd be celebrating tonight.

Instead you're on air with me.

So hope you go have a drink or a glass of champagne or something, because this is a huge achievement.

Well done.

Well, it's a relief for a lot of parents and also the kids and well if so great to celebrate with you, Shari.

Indeed, thank you so much for your time.

Now, Anaka Wells is trying to defend her exorbitant expenses, which she has now submitted to be audited.

Well Senator James Patterson today suggested that she should now stand aside while this is being investigated.

I don't think it's sufficient that it's been referred to IPIA only for an independent investigation.

I think there's a chance the minister or code of conduct has also been breached.

It should be referred to the Secretary of PM and C to investigate, and Minister well should stand aside while that investigation takes place, as is standard practice.

But Anika Wells and the Prime Minister are just hoping this will blow over, and they keep insisting she's done nothing wrong.

I am the steward of a world leading social media up there that has an incredible cultural and generational change unfurling as of today.

And also the Communications Minister who needs to make sure that taxpayers have confidence in the ship zero system, particularly across the summer.

No sports minister goes to sporting event, guess what?

But is it normal to leave a com car waiting for ten hours?

Who knows what happened there?

Yeah?

And what about the Oasis concert where tax pase paid for her husband to attend.

That's not normal for response Minister well to discuss.

Let's bringing now Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and IPA senior fellow Chief economist Adam Crichton.

Great to see you vote, Michael.

What's your reaction to this?

Do you think the laws need to be changed if a minister like Anaka Wells can just get away with this?

Look of course they do.

And I think the first political party which says this sort of wholesale routing of the public purse has to be stopped and proper guidelines needed pot in place.

The first party that does that will win huge community support.

I mean people are outraged.

I mean Elbow is saying, oh, he doesn't know what happened with the comcr.

Who keeps a who keeps a car waiting for seven hours or one thousand dollars?

Would you do it if it was your money?

Anakin, of course you wouldn't.

The restaurant in Paris at the public's expensive, and on a guess.

I mean, how do people like her turn up for work each day with a straight face and not be humiliated and embarrassed that they've plundered the public purse the extent she has and has no shame whatsoever.

I mean, any normal person, any normal middle class person, would have simply said, I'm sorry, our stuffed up I'm.

Going to resign or at least offer to pay it back.

But Adam, she hasn't even done that.

Yeah, well, look she's you know, she's digged in, and I'm not really surprised.

To me, my view on here is slightly different.

I think the rules are far too generous.

I agree with Michael they should be changed, but the reality is both sides do this.

I mean, we had the Bromin Bishop helicopter, we had Susan Lay.

Both sides have done this for years, and I just think there's so much hypocrisy on both sides where these sorts of you know, these sorts of scandals.

I understand why it's a political story.

I understand why the media loves it.

But we've spent a week talking about this and we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars.

This is small beer in a budget of seven hundred and fifty two billion dollars, and I just think, sure, this is wasteful, but the whole edifice of Canberra is extremely wasteful.

I mean, the ministers all have personal staff, they have.

Sorry to intrupt, but if you put every politicians, if you put them all together, the expenses of the hundreds of politicians, that will be a decent sized money, especially the international travel for the Albanese government ministers.

And the difference with Brohman, Bishop and Susan Lee is that they actually had to resign and pay back the money.

We're not seeing this accountability from Albanisi.

Now.

Look, that is true, and that is you know, that is an interesting point.

But I also would say that you know, the opposition the coalition have been relatively reticent in their attacks.

I would say on the minister because they're all worried.

I think that journalists will scrutinize their travel because you know, let's face it, most of the I mean, start again.

I'd be surprised if an MP could put the hand on their heart and say that they never booked travel for personal reasons and arranged work stuff around it, work meetings around it.

It's fairly common in my understanding, and it's part of the perks of the job.

We might not like that, but that's the reality.

And it just you know, this story as much, you know, as fun as it is, as fun as it is, it's distracting from the NDIS and tens of billions wasted.

On everything else.

You really have left journalism, Adam.

If you think this is a distraction, that's for sure.

But I want to turn to the Greens now because they've actually had taxpayers pay to fly their family members to Palestinian protests and music festivals.

This was in The Australian's front page today and the OZ reports that the relatives of the Green senators Marine Ferruki, Sarah Hanson Young and David chu Bridge have all benefited from these taxpay funded perks.

The OZ reports that Farruki had taxpayers pay for family members return flights from Sydney to me in November twenty twenty three, where she attended a pro Palestinian protest, and then the revelations this afternoon that Sarah Hanson Young charged taxpayers fifty thousand dollars for her lobbyist husband to fly from Adelaide to Canberra, where he works for his own company as a lobbyist.

Michael, what do you think are either of these examples appropriate?

Well, lebinoquish one is quite serious because, as you say, he works as a lobbyist in Canberra.

Apparently most of these seventy eight trips were during the sitting week, So as Kearra Millers just said, I hope he was just sitting in his hotel room for the days that he was in Canberra.

Interesting, you know when he arrived and when he left, he must have just been sitting in his room in the hotel because he certainly couldn't have been doing any lobbying work whilst he was there, because that would raise a whole series of questions about the use of these entitlements because the taxpayer paid for his airfares.

I mean really, I mean Sarah Hanson Young really, I mean she needs to give a full explanation of this that that would if you know, if he did any lobbing work Jarry whilst he was there.

You know, an unkind person might think that crosses the line between family reunion and something else.

No, it's just it is discussing.

It actually makes you sick of the whole lot of politicians that you know, at least those who take the mickey like this out of the taxpayer.

Let's turn out to the Australian Energy Market Operator AMO.

It's released a report today that you would have heard of by now in Sky News.

In its report, It's warns that cole will still be needed to secure the energy grid until twenty forty nine, twelve years longer than planned and adam it also revised the cost of the net zero transition to one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars.

Well, this was just a fantasy document really of what the government would like to happen.

And even in the fantasy document, what's extraordinary is coal is still required until twenty forty nine by the experts.

But you have states like Victoria who've actually legislated to close the Lawn power station in just three years in twenty twenty eight, which is sixteen percent roughly of the energy of the entire state, and also it supports South Australia as well.

And then in.

Twenty thirty five Victoria has said that it's going to close down alloy yang A, which I think is the second largest power station in the whole country.

So you've never seen in the history of Australia such a big gap between economic and scientific reality and political rhetoric.

Basically, this is not going to happen.

I mean that report said we had to have basically a doubling of solar and wind in the next five years.

That's just not sorry, physically possible.

It's not going to happen.

So basically the government is going to end up with mud on its face.

It's going to look extremely embarrassed.

I think, and privately, I'm sure you know this, Charry talking to people.

You know, I think the government has gone way too far in on these emissions targets.

They're not going to happen and they're going to look really stupid.

Yeah, I think that's true.

They can't possibly meet the twenty thirty or twenty thirty five targets.

Michael Chris Bond was of course asked about this report today and he tried to put a positive spin on it.

He was saying that Australian households are leading the charge with solar batteries and electric vehicles, but he ignores the substance of the report.

Well, he talks about Australian household as if they're you know, soldiers at the Russian Front.

I mean, you know, you should feel good about your batteries and your solar panels and all that stuff.

You're doing a great core, your great things for the country.

Sorry about the electricity bills that you can't possibly afford.

I mean, look, let's be frank.

This is a complete mess in this country.

This whole change is a complete mess.

Years ago, three or five, six years ago, people thought, right, renewably energy is going to be the cheapest form energy.

It's clean, it's very low emissions, We're making a contribution to lowering the world's temperature.

Where a great global citizen, and away we go.

That's what people thought they were signing up for.

Now what we've got is knowledge that there are no change to the world temperature.

This is all this is all symbolic.

We're not making any difference whatsoever to what's happening in the world.

It's costing a fortune to the average householder.

Chris Bowen, one of the most unsuccessful ministers in the history of the Commonwealth, has been given a blank check of hundreds of billions of dollars to transform the energy sector.

I mean, Sharry Weeks, haven't we been told for months that the coal fired power stations have to close because they're at the end of life, the end of life, and therefore they have to close.

And of course no board wants to put money into something because the wind is blowing against coal anyway from political point of view.

Actually is the end of life.

By the way, Michael just that's not at the end of life.

But that's what we keep But that's what we keep getting told.

We get the government bit more money, we're in to keep it going for just a few more years of humans.

Who is going to pay Shari for the next twenty years of band aids for cold fired powerstations to say open.

We're subsidizing them too.

I know, subsidizing the continue with the life cycle of the Colvide POWERstation subsidizing the renewables.

I mean the private market should just be sorting this out without any government subsidies for electricity.

All right, Michael Kroger, Adam Creighton, thank you both so much.

Still to come, Linda Reynolds speaks out and reveals Katie Gallagher's non apology.

Plus the coalition prepares to announce a values test for new migrants.

How will this work?

Angus Taylor will join me next Welcome back well.

Opposition leader Susan Lee is expected to announce her migration policy next week, and I can tell you exclusively that I understand a values test will be a seential part of it.

Were joining me now is Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor.

Angus, good to see you now.

Don't mean to put you on the spot with a policy that hasn't been announced yet, but generally speaking, do you think there should be a values test for new migrants?

And how do you verify people's values?

Because don't people just give the right answers to officials?

They know the answers that the immigration officials want to hear.

Well, Schary, thanks for having me, and I do think it's important that if people are to come to this country that they adopt our core values, and in fact, in our citizenship ceremonies, we ask them to make an affirmation or an oath to recite those core values, to focus on democracy, on the rule of law, on our basic freedoms.

And I think it is appropriate that if you don't believe in those things, then you don't pass a values test.

Now, there's lots of for our intelligence organizations to work out if someone is a religious or ideological extremist and doesn't believe in those core values.

And I think this is a reasonable thing to ask of people.

So I mean, so, how would of values test work.

Would it be done in an interview or would it involve as you might as you just hinted, there a more active role from intelligence agencies or home affairs officials, perhaps checking people's social media accounts or even interviewing their friends and relatives.

Or sure, I'm going to I'm not going to front run the policy announcement, obviously, but what I would say is that our intelligence agencies well and truly have the capacity to assess whether or not someone has shown some real evidence that they are not in sync with those core values.

I mean if you don't believe in democracy, really, is it appropriate that you come to the country, If you don't believe in the rule of law?

Is it appropriate that you become an Australian citizen?

And I think they are very very reasonable questions.

I think we are more than able to assess whether or not someone has demonstrated in their past life that they are not in sync with those values.

And I think most Australians would expect that we apply a test like that.

Yeah.

Absolutely, I think a values test is a terrific idea.

So it sounds like we're going to be hearing more about that from Susan Lee and the Coalition next week.

Augus Taylor, in your previous role, you were a shadow Treasurer, I'm keen to ask you about the economy because yesterday we heard the IBA Governor Michelle bullerk on that rates may have to rise next year.

What do you think is to blame for this persistent inflation.

Or Sharie, You're absolutely right.

The Reserve Bank is now showing deep concern about the state of the economy and the risk that inflation will continue to be the target range.

And of course they have already highlighted that the balance between supply and demand is not where it needs to be if we're going to see a reduction in interest rates, and we may well as a result, see an increase in fact, that's what the markets think.

I mean, if you look at what's going on that's resulting in that imbalance between supply and demand.

We've got government spending running away, absolutely running away.

Right now.

We're about to see my EFO, which will tell us something about the budget situation, but it doesn't appear it's going to be a pretty picture.

And we've got Deloitte telling us that we've got well over forty billion dollars of deficits each year for the coming years.

And on top of that, we've got an economy where productivity has essentially hit the wall.

The supply side of our economy, our ability to build things, to make things has has fallen away, and the result is inflation is heading in the wrong direction.

Look, it'll be an absolute devastating set of circumstances if Australian families who already struggling with the cost of living are dealing with rate rises next year, especially after the three cuts this year, and it would be it'd be downing for the RBA as well, they'd be having to answer questions that they've got their strategy wrong this year.

Most likely that's exactly right.

Show In fact, the market is already starting to price this in so to a significant degree.

People are going to be starting to pay for interst rate increases already.

That's how interst rate markets work.

So we should be deeply concerned about this.

People with a mortgage will pay a price for a government that hasn't got its fiscal policy right.

It's spending policies right, and we know from history if a government can't control its budgets, then we all pay for that, not just with future taxes, but with more immediate inflation.

And that's a tax on absolutely everybody it is.

Indeed, the Defense Minister, Richard Miles has refused to release any details of the Pentagon report that's just been completed into ORCUS.

Have a look at him responding to questions today.

The first of the review is very much as I said, in the context of full seam ahead on UCUS and how important ORCUS is.

The review is their review, so I'm seeking to respect that.

But we're really clear about what America is asking of us, and what we're asking of America and what both of us are asking of the United.

Kingdom really clear.

Well, he refused twelve times to answer the questions why do you think he's being so secretive about this?

And also his Osmond meetings.

Well, Charie, I think it's very clear that the Americans think that we are not spending what we need to on our defense force.

We're underfunding our defense force going to have Orcus and everything else we need.

They have highlighted concerns about this, not just with Australia, but with a whole range of allies, and they've laid that out just recently in the National Security Plan, and I think there's no doubt that those discussions have been happening.

I think that concern is clear, it's been made explicit.

Indeed, we are underfunding our defense force and the result of it, Sharry, is not only are we at risk of not properly funding AUCUS, but many other initiatives like the drone and counter drone technology we need, but also maintenance of our existing existing equipment, where we've got ships and planes that are not getting into the air and onto the ocean as much as the government indeed has planned.

Because we simply don't have the people in the funding just.

Very quickly because I've got to go.

But at the start of that answer there, you said that you expect that the Trump administration is still raising the issue of defense spending with Richard Martin.

I know you were in Washington last month meeting with Trump administration defense officials.

Was this raised with you, that they still wanted Australia, Australia to spend more on defense.

Well, Sharie, it's absolutely no secret that the US administration is concerned about the funding of defense of its allies, including Australia.

They've made that very clear and very apparent.

And that puts orposite risk, but more generally it capability at risk and ability to work.

Well, yeah, it's it's part of the conversations in Washington.

There's no question.

All right, Angus Taylor, really appreciate your time.

Thank you so much.

Now still to come, the left tie themselves in knots trying to defend Anika Wells, and Linda Reynolds speaks out and she reveals Katie Gallagher's non apology.

That's next welcome back.

Will admit her ongoing legal case against the Albanezy government.

Linda Reynolds has spoken about how Labor weaponized the rape against.

Her, having a look at Labour's behavior the whole way through this.

It has been despicable, it has been cruel, it has been unrelentless and it has been relentless, I should say.

In the interview with seven point thirty, she also blasted Katie Gallagher for giving a non apology.

She wasn't sorry and she didn't at all take any ownership because she was intimately involved in this.

She misled the Parliament when she said, remember that footage, nobody knew anything.

I didn't know anything.

You know, nobody presumed the Labor Party knew nothing.

But that wasn't true and it only came out through the court cases that she not only knew, but she was intimately involved in setting Labor up to launch this attack.

And culture writer at The Australian, Jannah Clarke joins me.

Now now Jenna, the ABC welcome.

The ABC have barely covered the politicization of Higgins rape against Linda Reynolds and the then Morrison government.

I mean the Australian has been leading the charge on this.

Sky News here we've reported a lot on it.

As well.

What did you make of the interview last night?

I thought Linda Reynolds was absolutely brilliant in the way that she methodically and very calmly moved through all of her rationale and her reasoning behind why she decided to go down the legal route, because, as she so clearly explained last night, that the government have absolutely railroaded her.

And I think at the sole basis of this story there are three very prominent victims, one obviously being Britney Higgins, but then also Fiona Brown, a senator for the former senator's chief of staff, and also the former Senator Linda Reynolds.

And I thought she was so crystal clear.

And you must eat your hat off to the ABC, because Sarah Fegson is known for rushing through interviews.

She tried as hard as she could to try and needle her on why she decided to seek take a rape victim to court over these matters, and she said, I'm just trying to seek justice, and more.

Power to her.

I also think Scott Morrison is a victim as well.

I mean, he was the Prime Minister at the time and the whole nation basically accused him of misogyny because of this story that we now know to be utterly false.

There was no cover up.

Of a rape totally, and I think that was the one thing that the former senator really brought up.

And how she was quite angry with Scott Morrison at the time, but then giving us a backstory into how he actually comforted her personally was actually quite refreshing to hear.

Yes, she said he saved her life.

Now I want to go back to the Anaka Wells topic and her history of mocking tax deductions on small business launches.

It's now come back to haunt her.

Have a look all this shouldn't have come up with the cost of living policy that not even the cookie monster would gobble down free lunches for bosses.

Paid for by you, the taxpayer.

But there is a question that not even the world's most foremost economic experts can answer.

To design the count.

And it's time to answer that fascinating question.

What is the estime street number of the day.

Is it two hundred and fifty million dollars?

Ugh uh uh?

Is it one point six billion dollars uh uh?

Or is it ten billion dollars?

Uh uh?

It's up to those oscar the gratches to come clean an answer.

I mean, j Hipocrassi add it's fine, as does it not.

It's aged like milk.

I think this one and I think it's so interesting considering that this is the thing that the government and all of the backers of the government seem to be missing.

The issue is not the fact that she's going on these trips, is the fact that all of the stuff around it.

You know, it's the seven eight hundred euro lunches in Paris.

It's the taking the well earning husband on these trips as well.

That's that's the core issue.

So I think this is going to be If this isn't an attack on the on the government in the next election, then the Libs are half asleep at the wheel.

We've also seen lefties come out and defend her bill shot and told the Guardian, who'd want to be a sports minister?

If you don't go to the events, you're a sport hating an Australian nerd.

And if you do somehow you're getting an unfair benefit.

You can't win either way.

I mean, Jenna, this is the same line, and Anika Wells is running.

It doesn't cut the mustard.

It doesn't the Dijon mustard at all.

It is terrible.

And I think that that's a very convenient excuse.

And I thought, you know, Bill Shorton could read the room a little bit better.

But you know, to her credit, Annika Wells has done a wonderful job in the portfolio of sports sports because and the Prime Minister said so today, no one is criticizing her performance there.

She's done wonderfully considering you know, Senator Richard Colbert we had before couldn't even you know, he ditched an aged care and crow when he was age k Minister and Sports Minister to attend the ashes.

So she does an incredible job.

The fact is we want her to do her job so well, maybe just leave some of the carry on luggage.

At home, Yeah, that's for sure.

The left at Women's Agenda or So defending Annika Wells, they've written this article where they say the outrage over well says more about us than it does about her, and they say we can talk about value for money while still recognizing that her presence as a young mother is itself something Australians have called for loudly.

Come on, you can't defend this entitlement just because she's a mother, exactly.

Don't do not play that card.

That's an absolute it's a slap in the face to all working mothers, and especially those working mothers that are on you know, those frontline positions where you can't take your kids to work, whether you be a teacher, a nurse, a doctor.

You know, they're the true bloody champions.

Not these don't not play the gender card.

And obviously they said, they did fail to point out that the majority of the leaks like you reported a couple of nights ago or coming from inside labor who have the quota system.

So you play by the rules, you die by the rules exactly.

Now, Jenne, this may be the last time that you join us on the show for a little while, because I mean you don't look like it.

I have to say.

But you're about to have a big brother for little Louis, and we can show you a picture now, I think from when Louis was a newborn.

Very sweet.

I mean literally, you're due any day.

It was even a risk you coming on the show tonight.

How are you feeling?

Look, I am incredibly blessed.

They're all of the doom and gloom in the world.

I'm incredibly best harried, have amazing friends like you, an incredible job and platform here at Sky and The Australian, and a beautiful partner.

And again you take home two beautiful, healthy baby boys.

Talk into a safe home as all I could ask for two boys.

You were going to have your hands full.

Trust me from a mother of two boys.

A busy Jenna.

Great to see you enjoy the newborn baby bubble.

All right, let's talk now about US President Donald Trump.

He's made headlines after an interview with Politico where he called European leaders week for failing to end Russia's war in Ukraine.

Big talk, but they don't produce.

I think they're weak, But I also think that they want to be so politically correct.

I think they don't know what to do.

They want to be politically correct, and it makes them weak.

That's what makes them weak.

It's Kay and News contributed.

Kashagada joins me, Kaisha, this is quite the explosive interview.

Yes, it is classic Trump and something that we've seen chari from this administration where they are not shy to question things that have been around, even things like the European American Alliance has been around for the better part of the last century.

And you know, if you think about it, I would say that he is giving voice to what a lot of people are thinking.

If you look at what United America and Europe over the past century, it's demographics, shared heritage, shared value system of government, and shared leadership in terms of shaping and bending the arc of history.

And if you look at just what's happening in a lot of countries, they're around free speech violations and weakness as it relates to Ukraine, or maybe not doing more to influence that war, or outsourcing security to the US.

You know, these are all things that he and Vice President in vance have been hitting on here and there in different speeches, and I guess he's doubling down on that message.

Look at the interview.

He also accused Zolensky, Ukraine president, of using the war to avoid elections.

I mean, this was extraordinary as well.

It was.

It is something that I will say has gotten a little bit of sort of airplay in US media and on the ground with the electorate, and it seems to sort of pop up now and then around this idea that Zelenski himself is a person is not the most sympathetic figure to Trump.

There's that famous, infamous I should say, meeting and the White House of course that happened, and also Trump's base where they even if they are sympathetic to Ukrainian sovereignty, they don't want all this killing that's happening.

It's not like they particularly love Russia or Putin.

He's certainly been in the crosshairs of Trump at different times, so he's been sympathetic.

He's also been angry and kind of upset with him at different times.

We've seen that yo yo going on.

But they don't really love Zelenski, a lot of them and certainly Trump didn't.

So I think he basically was raising that issue that because of martial law, since you're in the middle of a war, their constitution allows that there is no election to be called, and otherwise there would have been an election in May twenty twenty four, and he's pointing that out.

Maybe it's part of the negotiations table where he likes to sort of poke the weaknesses and then find the leverage on both sides, But he's pointing that out for sure.

Perhaps they just finally Kamala Harris says she's a historic figure she seems she doesn't know that she actually lost the election.

Kosher, Yes, you know, she's pointing to the check box thing where she is the first female that ever became vice president of the United States, and like, if we're checking boxes of melanin content and lady, I think that's what she's pointing to.

She's certainly historic in that way.

The Senate has had tradition since eighteen hundreds to commission a bust or sculpture or vice presidents were technically the president of the Senate, So she's pointing to that.

But yes, in terms of actual consequence, actual ability to win elections, she does not have a great track record and we all know it.

Yeah, indeed, and she's doing this obviously in media interviews, so we're seeing more and more ridiculous comments from her.

Koshagada, appreciate your time, Thank you so much, and thank you everyone for your company tonight.

I'll see you tomorrow night as usual at eight pm.

And right now after the break, Paul Mari