Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening Tonight.

Discussions unfolding inside the Albanezy government about whether Chris Bowen needs to step aside as Energy minister after taking on the Cop thirty one presidency.

Andrew Charlton is in the box seat.

If this happens, I'll have the exclusive details in a moment, the bombshell plan for Josh Fridenberg to return to politics, this after the coalition is stuck on record low numbers.

Those details shortly and reaction from Roman Bishop and Ray Hadley.

Shocking scenes out of New York protesters outside of Manhattan synagogue chanting we need to make them scared, yet ma'm dani attacks this synagogue.

More on that with Koshagada plus UK police set to question Andrew's close protection officers amid accusations they were asked to dig up dirt on Virginia Guffrey.

But first tonight I can.

Reveal there are discussions unfolding inside the Albanese government about whether Chris Bowen should step aside as Energy Minister to be replaced by star performer Andrew Charlson.

It comes after Bowen was appointed the President of Negotiations for the CUP thirty one summit to be held in Turkey next year.

My confidential sources tell me this is all about timing and neither Albaneasi nor Bowen are in a rush to make a decision about whether Bowen can maintain both roles at the same time.

The timeline for this may be up to Bowen himself.

Bowen's role as President of Negotiations was a concession from Turkey, which won the bid to host the Climate Summit over Australia.

Bowen excitedly announced his role last week.

As you'll recall, there's also.

A significant a session for Turkia to ensure to agree that Australia would be the COP president for the purposes of the negotiations.

Significant concessions what's required when you are trying to find consensus with Turkey.

Also a point to a COP president for the listener, So Turkey would be the COP President for the purposes of that.

I would be the COP President for the purposes of the negotiations.

We're working to ensure good outcomes.

But now there are serious questions about how he can do both roles climate Change Minister for Australia and the President of the COP thirty one negotiations.

There are logistical and practical issues as well as policy considerations.

Logistically, Australia is a twenty plus hour flight from Turkey, Bowen holds a senior position and it would be difficult to pay full attention to our energy prices and the energy rollout in Turkey.

Secondly, there are already major conflicts emerging between the interests of both roles, and this conflict was featured prominently on the front page of The Australian Today with a report that Bowen is signaling to Pacific allies that a transition away from fossil fuels will be central to his work as the world's new top emissions reduction negotiator, despite Albanezi backing in gas use.

And poll exports at the G twenty.

As he tries to balance his roles as a top cabinet minister back home and a COP diplomat, Bowen faces months of trying to appease nations, including the Pacific island countries who face this year's COP, who fear this year's COP didn't go far enough on fossil fuels, and the OS reports that Bowen is also facing pressure from the mining lobby to hold the line on gas and he must now also balance his own Prime Minister's strong support this weekend and for the use of fossil fuel.

In our net zero strategy.

So clearly, as COP President Bowen will be pushing for the strongest transition away from fossil fuels, but in Australia he still needs to rely on this for our own energy mix to keep the lights on.

This is an undeniable conflict.

The Prime Minister and his ministers are claiming publicly there's no problem.

Chris is a perfect candidate for that job.

He looks after these issues in Australia and now Australia with Chris has the opportunity to do that on the national stage.

This decision of the COP to have Minister Bowen to also have the position of being in charge of negotiations, there's something that I would have thought was pretty good.

Those are not con licting objectives because the global shift to net zero is a massive economic opportunity for our country, our economy and for its people.

But these questions won't subside, and the Opposition pressed on this today in Question time.

Why isn't this part time minister, full time president using this unprecedented influence to lower energy bills for Australians.

Why is the part time energy minister, full time president globe trotting around the world seeking to broke a global climate conference communicates instead of helping struggling Australians at home.

Prime Minister, Why is the part time energy minister, full time president more concerned with the next decade of cop negotiations than he is with the next decade of power bills for Australian households and businesses.

And Bowen's opposite number, Dan Tian, says it's not sustainable when power prices continue to climb.

PM Today was asked will he deliver his two hundred and seventy five dollars cut and electricity prices by the end of the year that he promised, And of course he couldn't even answer that question.

So what it shows clearly is that the government doesn't have its priorities right.

Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, he said that they're not.

Competing objectives reducing emissions and cunning power prices.

What do you say to that, Well, I say that they are competing objectives and the government have shown quite clearly by trying to do both that they've failed.

Energy affordability is our number one priority and it's impossible to see that it can be Chris Bowen's when he's spending half his time around the world doing the bidding of the United Nations.

So there is now a decision to be made about Chris Bowen stepping down from his ministry position.

And these are the discussions unfolding inside the Albaneze government.

Former Labour State Secretary Cameron Milner, who's close to the Labor right, writes tonight in The Nightly that Bowen is now in the precarious position of being the president of a cop being held not in Adelaide, but half a world away.

He writes, already the rumor meal is running with Andrew Charlton being briefed out as the likely Bowen replacement.

And I'll get more inside detail on this with Milner, who's on the show shortly.

But if this decision is made that Bowen should focus on his passion as a climate change global diplomat, then Andrew Charlton would be first in line for the new cabinet ministry.

Charlton is considered the smartest figure in the Albanese government, and yet he doesn't have a cabinet ministry.

He has deep government experience, leading Australia's response to the global financial crisis under Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister, and he sold his startup Alphabeta to Accenture for tens of millions of dollars five years ago.

His firm incidentally did a lot of work on climate policy.

Now the media and labor love to make fun of his property portfolio worth some forty million dollars, but this just reflects his business success.

He's also co authored a book with Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz, and he has a PhD.

In economics from Oxford.

It's why he should have a leading role in the government and the Prime Minister knows this.

He thinks this, and so Albaneze.

He made Charlton Cabinet Secretary so he could be in the cabinet room sitting in on the deliberations and decisions.

It also sent the signal to the factional heavyweights that Charlton was next in line for a position.

Now, Chris Bowen will not want to step down, and he'll likely be arguing that he can do both roles, and he may prevail in this quest.

But the Prime Minister may.

Be inclined to urge a change because he wants to give new opportunities to others.

And it's a legitimate point that if Bowen is negotiating at COP thirty one, he shouldn't be hamstrung by the Albanese government's own policies on coal and gas.

As I said, I'll come back to that topic in a moment with Cameron Milner.

But in terms of the federal leadership for the Liberal Party, it is now a matter of.

Time for Susan Lee.

The only question is whether the next leader will be Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty.

Since the crushing defeat in May, the party's prospects under Susan's leadership have only collapsed further to now what is the worst result in Newspoll's history.

Even after dumping net zero, the party's primary vote is still hovering around twenty four percent.

Colleagues have been discussing who would be a better replacement, Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty.

There are some moderates who prefer Hasty, while others are angered by what they claim to be his undermining of Susan Lee and Conservatives are also divided on who would be the best leader out of the pair.

Newspoll Today examined voter sentiment, and the data shows that more voters would prefer Hasty to Taylor.

When asked who they would prefer as the leader of the federal coalition, twenty one percent said Susan Lee, so she still came out on top.

Fifteen percent said Hasty and nine percent answered Angus Taylor.

But these aren't the only options for the Liberal leadership long term.

Emilia Hamer, who ran against Minnique Ryan and Couyong at the last election, was pre select did yesterday for the state seat of Melvin.

That leaves Kujong open again for Josh Friedenburg.

If he is willing to run.

His supporters would like to see him running Kujong at the next election, which is in twenty twenty eight.

They'd like to see him win that seat back and then take over the Liberal leadership.

If successful, he would give the coalition the best chance of defeating Labor at the twenty thirty one election.

Now it's a long time.

Away, but the reality is that without a major unforeseen event or a Labor Party scandal, this is the earliest the liberals can realistically hope to get back into government given the size of the Albanesy government's governing majority, it's a formidable buffer.

And the coalition isn't doing.

Enough work or displaying enough unity to be in a governing position anytime soon.

The disunity is rife.

This is disastrous for Australians and for democracy because labor just isn't being held to account.

It can get.

Away with anything like an inexcusable one hundred million dollar website for the Bureau of Meteorology New southwal Was Premier Chris Mins, a labor premier, is doing a better job of holding his own side to account than the federal opposition is under Susan Lee.

And today Min's criticized the Albanezy government's lack of action on housing zero nothing.

I think we get a billion dollars on a pro rata level, so I mean it's not an incentive at all.

It's also backloaded.

I mean we would prefer the money now if they want to help.

But you know classic of the Federation genre where everybody gets around a table and they put in these you know, incentive clauses, the backloaded and then the media release comes out but we would prefer practical help right now for really boring but absolutely essential parts of state government, like enabling infrastructure that is brutal.

This criticism from a trusted premier carries far more weight than from the weak coalition federally.

Now, whether the Liberals sought their leadership out now or early in the new year, it is only a matter of time, and as voter support slips further away from them, time is one thing they can't afford to waste.

All right, to discuss all of this, let's bring in our former Speaker of the House Brown Bishop and Cameron Milner, former State Secretary and Chief of Staff to Bill shod And great to see you both.

And just because Cameron, I just quoted your column, I'm going to start with you.

So I've just reported you back it in in your column tonight that there are discussions unfolding inside the Albanezy government about the practicality of Chris Bowen doing both roles and Charlton will be the first in line to replace him.

What are you hearing?

Well, Absolutely, and there's real concern in terms of what the practical reality is between Bowen doing this work.

I mean when the UK minister in a similar position.

Alex Shalmer was also the COP twenty six present.

He did fifty one global meetings.

Fifty one global meetings, but that was in the UK, it wasn't from Australia at the back end of the world.

I mean, so it's a real issues in terms of practically how this is going to work through, but also too, I mean, why hold Andrew Charlton back?

I mean, Andrew Sharlton deserves to be in cabinet.

He deserves to be a minister already.

He's incredibly talented to your point earlier, you know, great on economics, great opportunity if the opportunity opens up for Charlton to actually join the ministry.

As I said, I think there's a speculation certainly in terms of splitting climate change and energy and giving energy to Charlton.

Oh, that's fascinating.

I haven't heard that yet.

So what would be the theory behind that splitting the portfolio?

Sorry, so Chris Bowen would actually maintain the climate portfolio and Charlton would have that's right, the energy it would.

Have, that's right.

So suddenly you have climate change being focused on the UN stuff.

There's a little bit of alignment there, but you finally have a retail face as someone who's actually the cop on the beat for cheaper power prices, which is what you know Bowen's criticized a not being but with a pure energy policy portfolio should say and chart and skill.

He did really really well in that space.

That's really interesting because of course, you know, despite his own background, he is the paramatter MP.

So his electorate are doing it really tough with energy prices.

So that's a fascinating that you go, Cameron Milner, love it when you bring news to the television program.

So Karen repeating and reinforcing what I'm hearing with that extra bit of detail that perhaps the portfolio could be split brom when the issue, though, is also Bowen thinking he can globally save the world from climate change when he can't even get our energy bills down, you know, that broken promise of two seventy five dollars.

Look, Bowen is regarded as a clown.

He's a failure at every ministry he's had, and he's an embarrassment to the government.

And I said last week as soon as you took on this job, I said, it's the perfect exit strategy.

He wants an international role.

He wants to strut around the world stage.

And even poor older Farrell there was getting the national stage mixed up with the international stage when he was trying to defend Bowen in that interview.

He did so.

I think it allows Albanezi to dump Bowen without having to have a full reshuffle.

He can.

It's an interesting idea that you've put forward.

For it to be split.

But whichever way it goes, I think the government wants to be rid of Bowen and this is the perfect exit.

And the other thing, of course, is that you know Bowen is considered a failure on bringing down energy prices.

But I will just say that I don't think Bowen will give up the climate portfolio readily.

So that's why your idea makes sense.

We'll not your idea, sorry, Cameron.

Now you know what you've heard from your very good labor colleagues makes sense because Chris Bowen sees climate in Australia as his legacy.

He wants it to be like a medicare you know he wants to be.

This labor hero bringing in the transition.

I know it sounds ridiculous to us, but this is the ego of the guy.

So I don't think he's going to be letting go and that climate policy anytime soon.

Cameron, what's your reaction to this?

I think so.

I mean, you know, Chris has been a climate warrior, you know, both in opposition but also in government as well.

It is actually his passion in terms of the policy space, so that split would make a lot of sense.

It would also give albow Charlton being the retail face of bringing down the cost of living.

Yeah, I'm keen to get both of your view on the news poll results today showing that Hasty is ahead of Angus Taylor according to voters, but Susan Lee is still above them both.

What do you think, bromwin Well?

I found it interesting.

I guess the most alarming figure is the forty six percent of people neither know nor care, which puts a different complexion perhaps on the other results.

Basically, it hasn't moved except the Greens have gone up and the Teals have gone down.

And the policy for Susan has only been there for one week for her to sell and I think she's had a very good week.

And I think step two of the policy initiative is going to be immigration and I think she's got to be given a go to sell the decision they've taken already and have but me the immigration policy in place as well, and go out and sell the duo.

Then let's see.

Yeah, all right, that's very fair assessment.

Well, Cameron is a former high level aabor strategist.

Who do you think would have the best chance out of these candidates of actually being competitive against the Albaneze government.

Well, I think Brom's got the right point from the poll.

None of the above, sharing, none of the above.

I mean, the Liberals are an awful conundrum, awful conundrum.

The only mild hope that Hasty has is to appeal to the say I've got more one nation people supporting me.

That's the only conclusion out of that pole.

And that's a pretty pyrrhic victory considering they've actually taken that vote from the Liberals.

Anyway, Karen, I just want to stick with you because you wrote an incredible column about Linda Reynolds and this two point four million dollar payout that the Albanzi government or the Commonwealth Government made to Britney Higgins.

You're saying it is time now for an inquiry.

Why.

Absolutely, it's well overdue.

It was time within weeks of Kimberly Kitchen's passing.

But let's not put that to one side.

This is an inquiry that needs to happen.

This is haunted Gallagher, haunted one, haunted the Albanese government and we need to clear the air once and for all.

If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear, Shari, they should actually front the inquiry and tell their side of the story because two courts of law have found they didn't get it right, two courts of law Shari have found that Wong and Gallagher weaponized an allegation of rape, which is the most shocking and disgusting politics, the nastiest of politics.

And that's what they've done, and they should front inquiry and explain themselves.

Yeah, Brom, when you look back at Katie Gallagher's comments and I played a lot of them on the program on Thursday, and just the way in which he accuses the Morrison government of covering up a rape we now know two courts have found this just didn't happen.

There was no cover up.

So there does need to be some accountability, doesn't that?

Yes, there does, and I think I've been saying that all along, and others have too, because those attacks were vicious and they were deliberately designed to break then Senator Reynolds, and she has had the courage and the personal commitment to say no, I'm having my reputation back.

And I think hats off to her.

I mean, she's had to find the finances to do it, personal hardship in that sense, and she values her reputation and she values what she did, and she acted properly.

And Cavin, you're quite right to say that they've got nothing to hide.

They should come out and say so.

But you've only got to look at the phases of those mean girls Wong and Gallagher when you sew those clips again, and they are so ugly in their attack.

It is truly diminishing of women.

So I sign.

Also to take away Senator Rerell's agency to say we will not fund your legal costs unless you get out and don't don't try and defend yourself.

And then for the government to take over her position and not offend it was absolutely disgraceful.

No wonder Drayfus has.

Gone, although of course not over this, but.

No, not over this, but at the time, it was so frustrating watch this political campaign play out exploiting a young women's tragic rape, and then, you know, for it to take all these years down the track, only for court after court to vindicate her.

It just horrific the way politics can be weaponized like this.

Well, if you watch the word it played out, and then the apology from the then Prime Minister to Higgins, I think was also very damaging to his own senator.

Just finally, James Packer has gone nuclear on Daniel Andrews.

You might have seen this already, if not here, he was on Joe Aston's podcast.

Daniel Andrews is about my least favorite person in the world.

I think Daniel Andrews not only ruined Victoria, he almost ruined my life.

I couldn't speak more lowly of Daniel Andrews.

I think he's human filth.

Sounds like a Joe Aston column.

I hope he sues me.

So Cameron.

Daniel Andrews hasn't responded yet.

Just into Alan did step in to defend her predecessor today, you know, I mean, everyone's playing the clipbit, but the fact is that caused Packer a lot of Deepert.

Well, it did, but so did commissions of inquiry as well into both Crown and Star.

I mean, the casino industry as such needed obviously a cleansing process and needed to be fully investigated.

So just blaming one premium one text rise, I think misses the point that the whole sector was obviously serious and critically in need of that inquiries.

All right, Camera, Milner, Grum and Bishop, thank you both so much.

Well, big drama in the Senate today, as you know by now, with Pauline Hanson wearing a burker and refusing to leave, leading to the Senate being suspended.

You just heard the one Nation to telling Andrew Bolt why she performed the stunt.

You know, I think it goes against a culture in our way of life, and this is why I wanted to introduce the bill.

Now, I just started to introduce the bill and it took one voice Andrew.

There was a couple actually said no, denied me the right.

So straight away they denied me the right to ban the burker.

So I actually left the chamber.

I went up and I put the burker on, and I thought, well, if you won't ban the burker, then I'm going to wear it.

Well, didn't that upset them?

They didn't want me to wear the burker in pump.

They don't want to ban it, but they don't want me to wear an in parliament, So what do they want?

They are a bunch of hypocrites.

Liberal Senator Dave Sharma was in the Senate as this happened and he joins me, now, Dave, good to see you.

What's your view and Pauline has in wearing the burker into the Senate this afternoon.

Well, I think it was a shocking act.

I think it debased the Parliament.

I think it was a stunt.

I think it was offensive to many Australian Muslims.

But it was also offensive I think to many right thinking Australians who respect the diversity of religion in our countries and respect people's freedom of religion.

And I think, you know, it undermines whatever argument Senator Hanson was seeking to put forward with that sort of infantile stunt.

What about the counter argument that some are saying, you know, there's no problem when others wear the KFA into the Senate or take a fish into the Senate.

As a Greens politician, did you know, do you think there is an inconsistency here in how the rules are applied.

Well, look, the rules as they such as they exist, rely upon the maturity and sense of responsibility of each Senator who's elected to represent the people of an entire state to equit their responsibilities with the appropriate dignity and status that the office should entitle or should command.

Now, I'm not a fan of anyone undertaking stunts in the Senate, whether it's wearing slogans on T shirts or other headgear or headdress, but I would say that this was I think the only way you can interpret it was it was making light of or making fun of a religious garb.

I mean, I wouldn't think it was funny if someone came into the Senate dressed as an Orthodox Jew or any number of other things if they weren't of that faith.

I just think it's trying to make a mockery of people's faith, and I don't think it's what the Senate should be used for.

If you want to go out and do a press conference like that, well, look, go ahead.

It's a free country.

But I think the Senate should expect and is entitled to expect a better quality of representation from its senators.

Yeah, it's often a complete just clown show in the Senate.

There's no doubt about that.

The new Liberal leader in New South Wales, Kelly Sloan, has hit the ground running in the past few days now, Dave, first of all, you were very diplomatic when I asked you a week ago if Kelly Sloane would make a good opposition leader.

And this was as the spill was happening behind the scenes and we were reporting on it here.

Look, can you be less diplomatic this week and share your thoughts on her taking on the top job.

Look, I do think I think Kelly will and has already started to be a great opposition leader in New South Wales.

I think highly and Mark speakman, I think he was handed a difficult task at a difficult time and I think, you know, he gave it his best.

But you know, there's been a decision to change the personnel.

And I know Kelly is talented, she's hard working, she's personable, she gets across a brief and she's hungry and I think they're all very important ingredients for a successful opposition leader that is, frankly speaking, taking on a popular state labor government.

In New South Wales, we've seen Kelly Sloane calling on the federal government to bring back the Costello era baby bonus.

She's also calling for the Men's government to reinstate an IVS rebate to help family struggling to have a baby now.

She argues these policies.

Are needed because we're now in a baby recession, fertility rates declining.

What do you think.

I do worry about Australia's long term demography.

I mean that the number of children that people choose to have is declining, and some of that might be personal choice and personal preference, but I think a lot of it reflects economic circumstances.

When you're an income tax owner and it's very difficult to support a family these days on one income only, you're hesitant for one person to take time out of the workforce to raise a child.

When you're faced with a median house price north of a million dollars in Sydney, you need that income to afford a home.

So I think a lot of the cost of living pressures on families that the Labor government federally has presided over, meaning that people are having fewer children than they'd like.

And I think that's a deeply sad thing.

It's sad for our society, but I think it's sad for those families because they're going to miss out on some of the joy of children.

Absolutely, So think about the idea of the baby bonus, you know, one for each parent, one for the country, supporting supporting families to do that financially.

I'm supportive of all policies that will help encourage family formation.

So I think, you know, looking at things like the tax deductibility of childcare, looking at potentially income splitting at the whole household level, and indeed a baby bonus and more generous parental leave entitlement.

So I think they're all options we should be looking at.

You know, I was the beneficiary of my wife and I were the beneficiary of a baby bonus when it was introduced under the Howard and Costello government, and yes, it made a difference, and I think we saw a baby bump around that time in the first deck out of the two thousands because of that.

But I think there's also more things.

I mean, bringing down housing prices, lessening the burden on income or listening the income tax burden on working families, and bringing down inflation.

Are all things that the government can do right now that would help I think carriage.

Family formation exactly.

All right, Dave Sharma, great to see you as always, Thank you so much, and of course Dave is live in camera where Parliament is sitting.

This week.

We'll still to come the ABC Newsroom debate over the gender of a tortoise seriously, plus the plan for Josh Friedenberg to return to politics.

Ray Hadley would join me and share his thoughts after this quick break.

Welcome back and joining me now in studio is radio legend Ray Hadley.

Ray, great to see you.

Great to be here, Gerry, thank you very much for your con invitation.

As always, as always, you've been in the news this weekend, unfortunately for our heartbreaking reason.

And I'm so sorry to hear that your granddaughter Loyla has been dealing with a health setback over the past month.

Yeah.

As I've told you and your viewers previously, little Lola ah four hes lakemia diagnosed the sixth of January.

Then things got really desperate about a month ago, diagnosed with a thing called vod I won't bore you or the viewers with the exact explanation, but what it is.

The chemo that's said to save her life attacked her liver.

Happens at about ten percent of cases, and we're on a knife edge for about three weeks.

It looks like the wonderful specialist of John Hunter and Newcastle if I arrested Vod.

I can't say enough about the nurses in the oncology ward at the Children's Hospital.

These are men and women who have my undying admiration.

Today she was selected, she's been there for eleven months, in and out to be the little girl that switched on.

The Christmas tree.

So she was joined by her elder sister and little sister with pop and her grandma and my wife, Saphie, she calls her CC and her cousins bar two of them, two little ones who couldn't travel up, and a big gathering of children from the cancer ward you as well.

I was there and Santa Claus came along with missus Claw and an elf and they turned on the lights and little Lola switched on the light and she was beaming and she got a big kettle of Santa Claus and it really, it really, you know, grabbed everyone's attention.

My daughter was cocker who my son in law was smiling for the first time in a long time.

So it was really that is.

So we wanted to show the video, but there were too many the faces of other children in at it and we can't do that.

Now, we can't do that, but most of them are my grandchildren.

But I can't give permission for all the others.

No.

Look, just I can't believe how strong and brave Lola is.

And she's been through so much no three year old and now four yard should ever deal with.

She's an inspiration to our family.

And look to see the love and care she gets on all the other children in that ward from these nurses is just incredible, Ryan Park, whatever you pay them all matees not enough?

No exactly?

Okay, Well keep us updated.

I will for sure she continues to make a recovery.

Yep, we hope.

So all right, let's turn to some of the political news that I know you're keen to speak about.

So Amelia Haimer was pre selected for the state Victorian seat of Melvin.

Now, yes, Melbourn because I checked with my pronunciation expert from Melbourne, Stephen price Es apparently, and.

Our Sydney Siders was saying it wrong.

Now, it's like people say Bathhurst when it's Bathurst, or lawn system when it's long System.

Yes, I said Malvern earlier, did Melvin Well?

Anyway?

Stephen would He'll forgive you because may have for correct it.

Anyway.

This is great news, I think for the Liberal Party they've got a young leader.

This young lady is thirty two, but comes from a great pedigree.

Her great uncle was in fact a premier Becamus.

So I think it's just, you know, it's a signal that young women capable, young women can occupy positions.

She it's almost impossible, apparently to concede.

She could lose this seat, and she's been pre selected by a wide margin from her parents.

So I wish her all the best.

I don't know that.

Why is she Notckford scholar as well?

So she's very smart.

I'm sure she's smart.

But why more interested in this story is actually not because of a merely haym.

I'm interested because it means she's not going to be running Inkujong.

So Josh Friedenberg is.

Oh you think Josh is on the way back?

Yes, you miss my Totorim's been chatting in the newsroom right no, So Josh Fredenberg is now being urged to running Kujong at the next election.

If he wins that his supporters hope he'll take on the Liberal leadership and then, you know, maybe win against the Albanezy government in twenty thirty one.

It's long file exactly.

I'm not worried about twenty thirty one, or more word about twenty twenty sixth and twenty twenty seven.

But they're not the next elections twenty twenty eight.

The Liberals cannot win with the size of Labour's governing majority, so the earliest they can get back in is twenty thirty one.

I think Josh Brodenburg's a great fella, and I think he is a great man, a great politician, and I'd be delighted now that you've keeped me into the fact that Kuong's available to him.

And maybe there is some Machiavelian plot there.

There is not Machiavelian, just the plot, so it has to be back Emily.

Anyways, say we're going to get him at Kyong and look forward to him being there the next election and then perhaps being the leader and Prime minister in the future.

But I used to run into him all the time at the Gold Case.

I don't know whether they had a place up there with his wife and children.

Always personable, always approachable and one of those politicians and you get them in both parties, major parties, labor and liberal.

Who are you going to approach and have a yarn to about a whole range of different things, And was always, you know, not too busy to have a chat about things.

Yeah, we spoke on Thursday about about Kelly Sloan.

We've also seen Jess.

Well you made me, you told me, you said Ray, you said she won't come back the net zero, she won't come back.

And I thought, well, he's probably right, and you were, of course.

But I just think and I have spoken to Kelly to congratulate her and have a chat to her, and we're going to have a sit down sometime down the track.

And I know she's only just knew and she's just got there, but I think we have to be lockstep.

And I heard I heard discussion on Andrew's program and then Greg Sheridan came out very strongly and said, and I respect Greg immensely, and he said, look, on another subject, we've got to be lockstep.

If they're to have any hope the Liberal National Coalition, both state and federary, they've got to be on the same page and they've got to have a point of difference.

And I think he's exactly right.

They've got to have net zero twenty fifty off that page and then they've got a point of difference and then go and sell it to the electorate.

Say that, you know, and particularly Bowen doing what he's doing in Brazil now in Turkey and not delivering Cop thirty one to Adelaide.

I mean, I've been agonizing over this blake two thousand and four.

I started agonizing Avan when he first elected.

He has been I know we're going off script here, but he's been assistant treasurer.

He was Treasurer of a very short space of time, and then three lamentable years as Immigration Minister.

When the boats kept on coming, he couldn't stop them.

I call him Cashnova barn for a good reason.

He stuffs up everything he does.

But the simple fact of the matter is he's the worst minister since Federation and Albaniz.

He's got to do something about him because on that rock you'll perish.

It'll be the perish perishing of your government on Chris barn Lane because he's off center, he's off page.

You got to South Africa Prime Minister.

You say one thing, he says completely the opposite.

You can't have someone in cabinet who disagrees with the boss.

Well said, very very well said.

We'll see if he keeps both roles as well.

Now just before we go, I mean you could only have a story like this at the ABC.

Ray this is.

About a seventy five year old galafagus.

Turtle or turtle.

Here are you talking about?

Yeah, Hugo, I love you this tortoise.

So this is According to the Australian Media Diary Today, James Madden reported that there's been a newsroom gender debate at the ABC where.

It's a male turtle tortoise tortoise.

Instead of calling Hugo key, according to Media Diary, the ABC staff started arguing over whether the titus should be called it it This is this is peak ABC rail How can a titois be a fan?

I have met Hugo Ranger Tim runs the show up there.

He's a good fellow.

He do you remember out in program he used to bring in snakes and lizards and whole and even not big tortoises like Hugo.

But the simple fact of the matter is they said if it was a race horse, right, that was a guilding, a stadion, a cult, a mayor, or a philly.

They call it she or he, even though a guilding is somewhere in between.

But the simple fact of the matter is Hugo is a boy tortoise.

He is a boy tortoise.

He should be bestowed as a boy tortoise.

If you go up there and see Ranger Tim, as I've done many times at Gosford, He'll tell you that Hugo's a boy.

There's no argument or debit, and they've turned themselves into a pretzel in the newsroom of the ABC trying to decide whether a boy tortoise is an it.

He's not an it.

He's fully endowed.

He's a boy tortoise.

You tell him, Ray, I mean the thought that this is what they do at the ABC, tax pay dollars going to waste.

Unbelieve they've probably got a person in charge of the sexuality of animals.

But didn't surprise me given this story.

Ray, great to see you as always, Thank you Still to come.

UK police set to question Andrews close protection officers amid accusations they were asked to dig up dirt on Virginia Guffrey.

And the real Mam Dany is exposed to is he criticizes a synagogue targeted by protesters.

That's next.

Well, there are big developments in the Ukraine peace saga, with Donald Trump turning the heat up on Ukraine just as the administration tries to force movement on a Thanksgiving deadline.

That's joining US now with Skynese contributor Gata Kosha.

Trump says he wants Ukraine to accept this by Thanksgiving, but again the issue still remains as always territory.

Yes it does.

And this plan, the way we understand it from the way it's been reported right now, is there are full territorial concessions that Ukraine would have to accept and the Russia gets to keep other things like amnesty for alleged war crimes and the need for Ukraine to conduct elections within one hundred days or all sort of the other pieces of it maybe less important than territory, but that are seen to be very favorable to the Russian side of the ledger.

On the flip side, while Ukraine would have to renounce NATO membership, which was a big point you know, throughout the saga, they would receive Western backed security guarantees, which I have to say a lot of people in Trump's base are not very happy with.

They don't see that as America first.

They see it as very dangerous that it's going to get America suft into a potentially another quagmar.

So that's kind of where this sits.

Russia reportedly is cautiously favorable to the framework and Ukraine isn't.

And that's why I think he's putting that pressure out there because he's facing a lot of pressure from the beast.

President Trump is he does not believe that the risk benefit trade off makes sense for Ukraine to continue prolonging this war, and that's where he's trying to really push them.

But we shall see if this deadline is.

Mat Yeah, all right, well we'll see where this develops.

Over in New York, the reality of Ma'mdani, who hasn't officially started yet, is now setting in.

I mean, we saw these horrific protests outside of Manhattan Synagogue.

People were screaming death to the IDF, globalized, the Intervada.

Have a quick look.

But his first instinct, Mamdani's wasn't to condemn the harassment, but actually to have a swipe at the synagogue.

He spokesperson said that every New Yorker should be free to enter a house of worship without intimidation, and that these sacred spaces should not be used to promote activities in violation of international law, I mean kosher.

How on earth does a mayor elect look at intimidation outside a synagogue and decide the synagogue's the problem.

You know, they say, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.

I think he has been saying that all throughout the campaign, and we're not getting a glimpse of what governance is going to look like, not just campaigning from him, and I don't think, you know, that's going to change.

He tries to sort of play both sides.

I know he gave a different comment later that was a little bit walking that back, but I don't think it's by accident.

I think this sort of, you know, shows how he feels.

We've discussed before the results of the election, though, and the electorate something like thirty to thirty five percent of the Jewish population in New York, which is the biggest diaspora of the Jewish population outside of Israel did vote for him, and in exceeding numbers or fifty percent among the younger crowd under forty five.

So I wonder if they're having any buyer's remorse or if they didn't really understand thee and as these types of things happen more, how they might feel about it.

But unfortunately the city has now stuck with him for four years.

Yeah, shocking decision for any duwe who have supported him.

Over in the.

UK, police are now investigating whether Andrew asked for his own protection officers to dig up dirt and Virginia Guffrey.

This was in twenty eleven.

Now the Metropolitan Police are reportedly seeking emails, phone records and the notepads of officers who worked with Andrew.

How serious is this for him?

Kosher?

It doesn't look great and a lot of people are noticing that all this seems to be happening now right around when he's lost his royal status and the royal shield, if you will, with his titles and all the rest of it being stripped.

So it feels like he's twisting in the wind a little bit.

This is just a probe, and reportedly the Metropolitan Police is going to decide if they're going to turn it into a full scale formal investigation by Christmas this year, so there's a little bit more room to see if they've dropped us or not.

But it doesn't look good.

It's coinciding with all the congressional testimony requests that are coming his way from the US Congress.

Of course, the Epstein story keeps coming back into the news media, and it's not a good look for him for sure.

So hopefully he can avoid legal jeopardy insofar as it's relating to misconduct and misuse of taxpayer funds and that sort of thing, But reputationally, I think he clearly is in tatters.

Goosha, gotta thank you so much as always for your insights.

All Right, still to come, Chris Bowen takes the cop job.

So who's running out energy policy?

That's next.

Welcome back, We're returning to today's top story.

Chris Bowen tapped to chair the Cop thirty one and the coalitions jumped jumped straight on him, branding him a globe trotting part time energy minister while families are dealing with rising power bills, And let's get straight into it with my next guest, Environment editor at The Australian Graham Law Graham.

The reality is the government doesn't seem to be doing much to actually bring down power bills.

That tried, good evening, Charlie.

Well, it has found itself in a bit of a predicament here because Chris baren has effectively adopted the policies of the Greens to phase out coal and gas, and all the attention at home is to try and stabilize electricity prices.

There doesn't seem to be a strategy other than to keep repeating the fact that wind and sol and things are the cheapest option, which is losing its currency.

So the Prime Minister really needs a fixer to come in and take some of the heat out of this issue.

The role that Chris Bowen is going to be doing, I mean, this was a concession to be the President of Negotiation.

So what does that actually mean and how much time would he have to realistically spend in Turkey.

Well, it's unknown how much time you'd have to spend actually in Turkey, but it will certainly demand a lot of his time.

This is a very significant role.

He'll be playing at COP to try and bring all various countries together to agree on a way forward, and he's pretty made it pretty clear that the objective is to get an agreement at the next COP for a phase down of fossil fuels, something that's alluded negotiators this time around.

But then Chris Bowen put Australia right at the center of it.

We see it as a foreign policy issue with the Pacific as well, so he's not going to be able to back out.

And unfortunately, the way the UN process works that if we decide we need to close these things down, Australia is going to be first cab off the rank and together with iron ore, there are biggest export markets.

So this is a very real world, serious issue for the economy.

Just on another topic, the Abenezi government is trying to get its environment reforms through before Parliament wraps.

They're piling the pressure onto the Greens to get this done, dangling a concession on native forest lugging, shifting it under new national standards after a three.

Year transition period.

Now the Greens are still saying the timeframe is too long.

Where do you think this is going to end up?

It?

I mean it could be that perhaps the Parliament's even extended next week.

Yeah, well, it's certainly going down to the wire and it is a big issue that has to be resolved in some way.

It's fair to say that it flows from a process that was initiated by Susan Lee.

There's support for change both from business and environment movements.

It's where it falls in the middle.

This latest offer to the Greens is a bit of a sight really.

It's always been an anomaly that state forests weren't included within the EPBC.

They were given an exemption.

But the real meat is in how a EPA is going to operate, what powers the government will retain, and this is where the deal has to be done and I think the government will be hoping it can do one with the coalition.

Yeah, remains to be seeing.

Grahamelloyd.

Thank you so much for your time and thank you for your company.

This evening, it's all we've got time for today.

I'll be back at eight o'clock tomorrow night.

And right now, here's Paul Murray in the man Cave.