What's up its lip Service?

I'm angela yee Geordie, George.

I'm sure, go.

All right and listen.

We're gonna have some fun today talking about some things.

So first off, len Avan, I want to say congratulations to you.

She looked at me.

She's got a new show on the People's Brief that you guys can check out.

The conversations will be a little bit different today, but you got you got this.

I'm cool, Okay, good.

I'm not just a political talking here everybody.

I'm just a girl.

Listen.

And I did see one one.

Video that you had about having like a respectful breakup, like breaking up and just being like still that peace.

Yeah, at peace, which we'll talk about in a second, because it is that possible.

Sugar's here and Christopher Martin's here.

You guys also are performing in New York, and I've seen you both on stage together quite a bit as of late, so we'll start with you.

So you've been here before, yes, on lip Service.

But that was a long time ago.

Yeah, it was.

It was anears ago, so we're glad to have you back.

It was more than that, No, maybe, no, definitely was more than that was because that was the pandemic a couple.

Of years ago.

It's longer than two years.

And I actually said I was in Jamaica during the pandemic and that was it.

I had to go there to do something at UI and so we all had a chance to hang out.

That was a wild time.

That was a great time.

Yeah, I do recall, Yes, we have fun.

But but you have a new song out right now that everybody has been talking about.

Some IMNA call it quote unquote controversial.

Okay, tell us about it, please.

Rightly.

Preparing myself, it was.

The name of the song is wife and Sweetheart.

Okay, yeah, sooner your wife be your sweetheart?

Yeah, definitely, she could be both.

That's a good way of interpreting the song.

A lot of a lot of people, A lot of people interpret the song right off the bat.

That was me saying I want one wife and I want a sweetheart, which are two different people.

But I love your interpretation of it right off the bat.

My wife is my sweetheart as well.

So HOWD and three are y'all going out together?

Right?

Because the music'all.

Personalities.

Yeah, but at the of the D is still it's mixed reactions mm hmm.

But Everybody loves it.

They love the melody of it.

Some people say that the content of it is what, Yeah, he's driving.

You know those songs when you're young and you don't know what you're singing.

You like that.

But I love it.

I love it, man, And they sing along to it, like everywhere I go up and I perform it.

They love it.

But you know, it's like they just have to say, why would you sing this song?

I'm like, I'm singing it because you're singing it.

You love it, and that's the reason I'm sing it.

I'm a musician, you know.

I mean, I'm an entertainer entertained.

Have you ever been in a situation like that or what was the inspiration?

Inspiration is whenever someone does this like here gesture you guys like language.

It's like a lot of men think about it.

A lot of guys think about it, and some guys are not really Western minded.

Some of them are of the Eastern kind of thinking, like Africa and all of those places where it is not prohibited it is welcomed, understand, but also over here on the western side.

Seat that's something double when it really is if if if people want to be open and honest, and this is what they want to do that.

I think it's fine, understand and both ways, right, sugar, I think it should go both ways.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't feel like you should be a double standard progressive.

No, understand, if they can, if they can handle it, then they can do that.

But women are our most soul creatures than men.

You know, you all are more emotional.

So do you have the conversation like how how would you broach that topic with with your wife?

Play the song first, you know, and listen, listen to this song.

And if you like it, we can talk about it.

You know, you could.

You could just play the song and this and then the song is like the icebreaker, and then you can have a discussion about like what is he saying?

What do you think about that?

You know you responded to this song?

Yeah, all right, so tell me what happened like behind the scenes for you to say, I gotta say something.

Well, he just said women are emotional, definitely, And so I have this thought like, if you believe we are so emotional, why would you want to.

Have a sweetheart m double emotions?

Yeah, you're killing us.

It's vibes.

And so if if I did the flip to what he did, Like, what if.

I want you and my sadman to be friends.

It's a question.

I know men can't handle it.

They get about that because the comment about women being emotional, I don't know.

Men tend to act very recklessly out of their emotion all the time about women.

When people don't get whenever something happens.

What I meant by emotional, I was I was saying for you to have like two partners, or you have to be You're not like that.

I don't think women are built like that.

We can only love one person.

No, I don't feel like you only love one person.

But for argument's sake, Like a man could go to the club and he meets up sexy women, he's attracted to her.

He could do the act and it's like nothing, you know what I mean.

He gets up the next day and he leaves and it's nothing to me.

I feel like a woman has to feel like invested in some way to go all the way with a man, regardless of whether she finds him attractive or not, you know what I mean.

I just feel like, or maybe it's just the idea of society that makes us believe we should feel that way.

Yeah, maybe we just.

Don't say nothing because y'all go back, and maybe we just be like, I'm a tech.

Yeah, you see all the time we admire and hey.

I feel like you could see him and you feel like he's attractive.

On in your check frien.

I want to say, like you said it too, like we are in the West, and the West has a very particular way about rearing women.

However, over time, women's perspectives and just their freedom and ability to move has changed vastly, and so there are quite a lot of women these days who can meet a fine man in the bar and do the act and move on by their business.

Don't.

So I'm just saying, like you gotta it's not my cup of tea.

I would like my man to be my man.

But I also think if you have the conversation, there are plenty of women who are embracing different types of relationships.

My nailtick was just putting me on to her boyfriend and her boyfriend as a girlfriend, and how they all got it going on.

And everybody's happy.

And everybody asked Jordan because she's single and she has no she's got a roster or did did.

It was last?

I asked her, I said, would you would you want to have like a man and a side piece?

And she said yeah, but she just wouldn't want them to be together, like go out together.

She would be because it's kind of like Spike Lee.

She's got to have it that movie in a way with Nola.

And then she had three boyfriends and they all knew about each other, ran into each other, they were kind of emotional.

Yeah, I don't want to be one big, happy family.

I just want to have those different parts of my life separate.

And our time is our time.

We don't need a joint time.

We don't need a family Sunday dinner.

I'm not trying to do all that.

And that's good too, that's good, you know, of course, sugar.

But okay, financially, what does a man have to bring to the table though, to be able to maintain something like that.

Well, there's a saying that goes threesome is a rich man's game, and so for a man to want that type of lifestyle.

You see that Marrye, you see that Louis.

Well too.

Honestly, if I'm to be very honest, I didn't one of those topics in the song.

I never said anything about three in the song.

That's an interpretation, yeah, but I.

Just that's my interpretation.

And I'm sure other.

People see the because because I never mentioned that when I'm beating least time, take my time.

But you said the chair, we are part right and everything is all right?

Yeah, the coldly, I forget about it.

It would be nice, It would be nice, nice, the three.

Yeah.

And then I said, heard that, don't you know?

The standards double that's you know what I mean, That's all I said.

It's not that beaten, but there theyn't want.

To hear what they want to hear, and that's perfectly.

So that's the good thing about entertainment.

You understand.

You put that body out coat here and you are lower the masses to have fun with.

What are your thoughts in real life about three sims threesomes?

She I married.

I'm I think I feel like every man has that in either the back of their mind or the side or the front of their mind.

They would want to.

Sa your home mind basically every.

I feel like every man would want to experience that kind of vibe.

Hmm, yeah, I feel like it's on almost every man's booky list.

Ladies, how do you feel about three SIS.

Takes before?

And I'm good.

I'm good.

I think I'm good as well.

Yeah, especially where I'm at right now.

My man is my man is my man on Thursday, Friday, today, Monday through Wednesday as well, not just the weekend, just the weekend.

I'm cool.

M M, I'm cool.

I'm not really down for all of that.

I'm too jealous to to see something like that.

But if they both were on you though, that's something painful, no painful for.

A sitting A three some three something is not like two dudes and a girl.

It could never be that.

It's like what I mean, I mean, it's not for for like, well, I am Jamaica and I'm speaking for my island.

I don't feel like well, I feel like it's still it's not just because it's three people.

Why it's a threesome.

I feel like threesome for a man.

He's a man and two women the defastandard.

But they have a different name for it when it's man, when when its train they call it.

Yeah, they call it that sounds violent.

Yeah, well it's it's the same thing.

It's the same thing, just a different name.

It makes it sound violent if it's not that sounds.

Yeah we need a Johnson.

Is very for me, like it doesn't sound that harsh.

Yeah, but that's what they call it.

Do you think that a lot of stuff happens but it doesn't get talked about because in Jamaica culturally it's very like, you can't do.

This, you can't do that.

It be happening.

Though, yeah.

It's happening.

It's happening, but.

No, the isn't there for them say right, I'm not supposed to what I'm doing this if you're a man and do it just like yeah, weak me a line in them.

Yeah, So nobody wants to be like that.

But y see, it's like a lot of things that are taboo, and I think that can be an issue because then people do these things and they're like ashamed of it.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of things.

But everybody's still doing it but no one's talking about it.

But it makes them enjoy it even the better because don't tell.

From about this blam blam, and they know they're doing it.

But I mean, like we all know.

Someone commented and asked what came first?

The cheaters prayer or my my wife and my sweetheart really cheated.

Definitely didn't work.

That period didn't work.

Have you you been caught cheating?

Though?

Never really because.

You don't cheat.

Cheat Jamaican man don't do it lot of things.

Do you see?

It was a funny thing that it's a Jimmy cheat.

We give the nutritions bon you know you're familiar with bon, right, you never heard the term bun?

Unfortunately.

I'm just I was gonna say an American black, but.

Sugar, sugar?

Can you it's the same thing like.

But like, like I said, we'll call different the same thing something else?

Okay?

Yeah, have you ever been cheated on?

Sugar?

Of course we get.

Tell me how did you find out?

And how did you react?

Because are you like a calm or was it like I got to hear some of.

This which one other time.

Guys, there was this bone where this guy he wasn't even all that never nice.

They looked always the basic ones.

Indeed of this cowboy looking shoes gonna look good.

I'm buying two new shoes.

I'm kind of two new shirts that making him a look nice at you clean them up?

This whole time, I didn't know this guy was making a fool of me.

He had a pregnant sister who was his baby mother.

Wow.

And he told me it was his sister.

And no, with you, that's in love.

He didn't love with something.

He didn't get that far.

Of course, I'm not.

I hated a guy and he had a baby mom and she was pregnant.

Again, he told me it was his brothers.

Yeah, my brother does and later on when he got arrested, I found out it was really his Wow.

I know, it's crazy.

It's a lot of.

I was like this is like that's it.

And the reason why believing because I was like, nobody's going to make that up, Like that's a crazy light.

How did you find out that way?

Really?

I just felt it in my energy.

I just felt it, like I just little things.

I remember one day I was getting my hair done and I was sitting with his sister, baby mother sbm and the hair dresser and there was a pack of skittles.

As soon as I opened the skittles, the hair dresser asked her what kind of baby the guy wants?

I was like everything paused on the skittles just fell on the girl.

Or something.

Just it just it just fell and there was a brief moment of silence, and then I broke the silence and I played along like I didn't hear what was happening.

Was that fool big time?

Yeah, I say five man shoes, he'll run out on you.

Oh yeah, that is.

But I'm sure the baby is hungry now.

And did she she knows, so she knew she was playing the sister role.

Yeah, found.

That's different.

People sugar nen know, but know I just sugar them.

Did cry?

That was the wife.

She was a sweetheart, and everything falling into place.

Oh my god, if.

What I was I have been before.

It's awful.

What happened, It's crazy, tell us yo, listen, but this one was so hot.

This cheating with me, right, that is so hot.

So listen the how intense it was.

I couldn't get all of it at once.

They have to give it to me piece by piece, right, So it was at the studio.

Brought the girl that I was with at the time, brought her to the studio and then like my boss was looking at her, I was like looking at her.

Anybody didn't pay in my mind, so I went I was like, bossie, this is my girlfriend, and nice to meet your man and say I got the movies left.

He called me.

He's like, yo, yeah I didn't one yeah you know, and I said, yeah, man, all right, I said that girl all I can know, man, I said, I when I'm a girl, friend, I want to know my name.

Oh, okay, see our one night?

Yeah, let one night we godt you know in your you know it's like body just yes and yeah mind an and said yeah one boy a night.

I won't call the.

Name somebody now yeah, yeah, woe boy.

One night and I say yeah, and I say yeah, but maybe not instill I don't know.

I said, all right.

Then color say you were at X place and my boss same see you?

She said, oh no, I was doing with my friends because she didn't want to go by herself.

And okay, I believe then cool.

This is where it got really intense.

Now, like calling her one day, I couldn't get her.

So our auntie called me and said, yo, one girl not coming over the room.

I was seeing her and whatever she said, could you come and talk to her?

She never wont come, so when I went over there, she didn't want to come over the room either.

So when she finally come out, with her face black and blue.

Oh yeah, I mean, I said, what happened to you?

And she tell me this sun in meitar and really talk to all my heart heavy talk like my words are fum blame.

Sinking is.

When I went home that evening, I was in the shower for maybe like three hours.

He's just started the waters journal love love m you know what I mean.

I never feel like I got to get over that pin.

It was really really really hurtful.

Wow.

Yeah, No, you forget them bond when you're young.

You can't get them bonder when you're like thirty close to party.

We up.

You forget that.

Yeah, but that kind of reine you later because you don't trust me now, And it's.

Strength me because you understand it's not everybody that is like that, said Billy a character Billa trust wearing, which I understand.

The people are really gay trusting they have to be worthy of it.

And then you just understand said people who your trustful failure as a man, and you will be hurting the process.

So if you never go treat when you're young and y'all live smooth up until they're like thirty forty, when you get that real kind of pin in them all.

That's when people, when you're young, you have a lot of lessons you must forget.

You you forget, you have strengthening on from.

Your Oay, what do you think about that?

I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on the fact that somebody beat her up.

Okay, yeah, well we don't know.

That's old man.

She was really a good man.

So that was the guy that she was.

And he about you probably.

Now yeh or no, seemingly.

I don't know how going on.

I don't know if if she telling more mere or she told him that she was single and in final for me, or I don't know how it goes in any event.

I never my girl got But.

She wasn't even scared to leave him because of that, because maybe he was physical with her, she didn't want to tell him she was dating somebody else.

Yeah, but you're going on to be very honest with you, it couldn't have been that case because she was everywhere with me, right, Yeah, So it's like it's not even like middle that hider or not.

Yeah, she did it everywhere.

With me, and at this point he was a big deal.

Yeah them my heart just win.

She could be Yeah, you couldn't hide.

Yeah, yeah, you couldn't hide.

You know what I mean?

When the COMPI films all over the like everybody normal face.

This is Christopher Martin, I understand.

So yeah, and she was with me all the while, so I feel like it was my girl, but it wasn't my.

Right did you?

So what did you do after that?

Did you still talk to her?

No?

Really?

Them?

Paying the still?

Can I really keep in contact with the person?

You'll be always reminded of it.

Just get tough and over time at those times, can heal them?

Kind of paying the still them kind of bonded?

Well, we're talking about feeling what it feel so bad?

Yeah, because guess what happened.

That's that's a very hot one.

She gets beat up.

And remember the time over yet you know, I'm still in love with dar to be looking at this girl you're so in love with full of black and blue bruise because faithful.

Have been for five hour that's a bad water does a beat.

I just did it.

I'm sop up and then wash off again and so again.

I was in the.

Most guys going to admit how hurt they get when something happened because you act like it's no big deal.

It was a big deal, man, it was a big deal.

Full circle sing.

The big deal.

But you know what is so cool?

You know what cool?

It's cool how you you took a shower because someone then fighter bounds up at the be Was it just because she wasn't being strip?

Okay, okay, yeah, no matter what?

Right and many yeah, my mind could never even even go to that extent.

And now you've ever been now you had a you did this this, I would say, what would you call it?

Not a poem?

Song about a poem?

Okay, but it's so like song like yeah, but you talked about basically dealing with a breakup and still being cool because some people would say I can't be cool with somebody or or respectfully breaking up with somebody.

Yeah, where was that?

Where did that come from?

God?

Jesus, Jesus, Sorry Jesus, like.

Sorry, Jesus, Like no, I was just I was in a relationship for eight years and it just wasn't serving me anymore and it was actually like really weighing me down pretty heavy in so many different ways.

He wasn't putting his hands on me, he wasn't cheating on me, but he just also we weren't compatible.

I was paying for everything, and I was being made to feel like the life that I chose I brought on myself, like he didn't have to assist in particular ways, and I was just being gas lit.

Once again, sorry to this man, because he was really good to me when I met him, But it's one of those things where you realize you're only supposed to be with a person for a season, that they're brought into your life for a reason and not necessarily to stay.

So good person, just not good for me.

Linda, what did you learn from that?

Because I want to say, also, when things like that happen, you also are like, never again am I doing X, Y and Z.

I won't be paying for everything now because.

Like, because that happens to a lot of women.

We've you know, I've been in that situation where I feel like I'm like, why am I doing everything and carrying it?

And you're not ambitious enough to handle it and I can't rely on you if something happens.

But people look at women like if finance is a part of what it is that you need, they look at that like it's a bad thing.

But you when you've been through some shit.

It's like, I'm not doing that again.

Yeah, yeah, I just upset very specific boundaries.

The person that i'm the person that'll be my person has to have his own dreams, goals.

He's got to be financially stable, diversified portfolios.

He's got to have the attitude that I don't have to ask him for nothing, that me and his future kids won't got to ask him for nothing.

The house that I want is not a problem, and I don't need.

The thing is, I've never need a person to take care of me, and I think that's how I got stuck in a situation that I was in because I was never raised to want a man for money, and I also was raised to believe that what I want to do with my life, I was going to be able to take care of myself too.

But I ended up setting a very low standard for how I needed, how I needed partnership to exist in my life so I didn't have to carry everything by myself.

What I learned about me is I'm not meant to be the breadwinner.

I'm not meant to be the provider for the family.

I am meant to be supported so I can do the work that I'm supposed to do.

Yeah, So I don't know, I don't care how that sounds with whoever it's supposed to be for me, that's not gonna be a problem for him.

Yeah.

I feel like people, also with women in particular, it's like if they're not cheating, if they're not doing anything wrong per se, it's like that should be good enough, you know what I mean.

I feel like that's put upon us by a society.

It's not just us thinking the bars that low.

It's like that's really what people put on us.

We got to be right whatever, and they're like, oh, well you've got a good minute home.

It's like okay, you're with him shooting in the gym, right, And so it's like we're shame for wanting more than just get Yeah, and I think God should want that too, Like I don't think man should want a woman that they got to handle everything, take care of everything, be like you know, I think I always feel like relashis ships everybody got to bring like their whole self and be able to handle things and then doing it together.

It's just the bonus.

Yeah, Yeah, that's how I look at it.

Yeah, And I said that too, well, it's in a piece that's coming.

But just thinking about the whole concept with fifty fifty, I don't fifty fifty that's and I want two hundred.

I want a whole person to match my whole person, and we vibe and figure it out from there, like I don't need any correct correct as far as the.

Right, I got these vibes.

What do you think about that, Sugar?

Of course it works because I mean for me, I would like to buy my man a car.

He would buy a car for me, you know anything.

I want to match his energy, right, you know, And that's why I work so hard because he has been the backbone of my family and just me what of where I can't provide, He's there are and I would like to be that for.

Him one day.

So I'm listening to you and I'm like, yo, that's what I want.

How hard is it doing music?

And he got like seeing you you know with fans.

He's good, he's school, he's cool because he knows he knows me.

Yeah, he's not.

Virtual solid still really he's cool, really worrible.

You know, Christy, You've done like a lot of songs about Yeah, it's just how does but your good friends with Romaine Virgo and he's such a great like husband and family.

Man.

They got a YouTube.

Does he brought on you?

Are you like?

No, You're every every everybody has their own path, you know, Yeah, for sure, everybody.

Every everyone has their own path.

You understand.

Not because I don't show that side of my life doesn't mean that that's not how I am.

Okay, I understand you definitely, man, Not because not because I I sing those songs meaning that that's my mindset.

Because not all my songs are reflection of my life.

I understand.

Yeah, some of the songs.

I'm just a very good storyteller.

Yeah, And I know that the masses would like this kind of idea that I've conjured up in my mind, and that's what it is, that you.

Have a wife and a sweetheart, would.

You I don't think so.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think I don't I don't think I can manage that, just say I wish.

Yeah, But it's nice to sing about to.

Think about it.

It's nice to sing about it and to hear the reactions from the different people.

I think that people could benefit though from you saying, like what your ideal thing is too because I think we have a not to say, not to say we shouldn't have any of it, but I think we have excess of these ideals that create for unhealthy situations that people who want to be like you emulate in ways, and they don't have they don't have the tools, they don't have the communication skills to actually set up safe environments for these things to exist.

So I'm just saying I think, particularly with men, I think the black community benefits from them saying like what they really want, not what people think they should have.

So you know, a little bit of both.

And that's why I do, and that's why I do a little bit double.

So yeah, so I can see her and I can say, yeah, I do sing songs about this, but I also sing songs about the faith and loving yourself and yeah, of course God is the same time a life that will change.

It's realistic and people can relate to because there are people out there who actually feel like this.

I wish they could live this type of life.

There are there are people out there.

I understand what you're saying about, you know, putting things out there that that can actually help to.

Grow the nation.

But we do that.

Music is also entertainment.

Had a little bit of that.

I want a little bit of laugh time, have danced sometimes and sometimes.

We go.

Beautiful.

Naturally, that makes sense.

I guess I think a lot because I have to sort through a lot of what's on the internet where people talk about.

Because music is a great tool, and it's a great tool.

I haven't been to so many places across the world.

And Christopher Martin was in was it Belly's last weekend, And when he got off the stage, he said, people were asking, like, where is the girl?

Yeah, I've never been to belly.

Music is reach into you know, different colors on the earth, And so I understand what you're saying.

It's a great tool.

It is.

And I think also women in reggae and dance hall so powerful with the way that they're able to like express their sexuality and have fun with it too.

You know, that's a real thing because sometimes people, especially I think women get shamed for things way more surely, you know, especially because we've been talking about these double standards so much.

And the truth yeah, and the truth is that like you know, even like people will act like women can't date multiple guys at the time.

But if you're not in a relationship.

Why notationship you wanted.

But but that's just as I'm saying, that's just yeah.

No, this side of the world knows it's super judgmental.

And then people's mindset is super judgment because in Jamiica, like a man can have ten girlfriends month.

I might say, oh, you're to feu yo, yeah, I love that, and then you know, you have a girl if she if she have two men, yeah, shadow, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand.

And you know, I don't really subscribe to what is popular in society or whatever.

I just live my life.

I feel like I want to live my life, you know, I mean, I make myself because at the end of the day, do good, they're going to talk you do bad, You're going to talk anyway to me, understand.

And while I'm doing me, I'm I'll be doing things that I'm proud of and what makes me happy, understand.

And I feel like if a woman wants to do that and that makes her feel good in herself, then.

She do a thing.

I can't do it.

I can't do it, and that's honestly, I couldn't like one at that time.

If you want to do.

But how do you know?

Because here's my thing, Like I see people get caught up where they're not in a relationship but they're dating and they don't have any other actions because you're dating one person and that and sometimes that's not like the most beneficient.

Dating is different because if you really breaking though, when you're when you're when you're dating.

I don't I don't believe people should have sex or should be intimate hard hard.

You feel like it's getting to know you kind of fears.

Getting you know, getting to know.

It's true.

What if I body like you, but the sex is terrible?

Does someone problem?

I believe that because once that is terrible.

But at that point you really like somebody, you got to yeah, and then it's a pencil.

Like you said, I believe in test driving, you're gonna be sad forever.

I believe in I believe.

I believe in test driving.

I feel like it's experience, not with everybody.

You know, that's that's exclusively for the guy that you were for me, for the guy that you really are feeling and you're like, Okay, are we gonna take this to the next level or not?

I feel like that would be the time, and I'm like, okay, we might have a little sleepover, right, you know, okay.

But I don't think it's like date number three.

It has to get there, right, It has to get at some point?

Can I just keep dating and keep not doing it responsible?

Yeah?

You want to responsible.

Capital of the world.

What makes his protection for women?

It's got to be smart.

What makes you feel good only wake the next day?

You won't have no regrets.

Wearing his sex in a relationship to you very much?

I mean compatibility in that is just like I mean, yeah, Jesus.

Have you ever stayed too long because the sex was so good?

No, like eight years.

I'm a very cun dry like I things like that don't blind me.

I think more often than not before I'm thirty.

Now, before thirty, potential could blind me more than anything.

And like wanting to make a thing makes sense could blind me more than anything.

But I'm typically a good judge of character.

And the more you show me that you're like your character is not where I needed to be, the uglier you get.

What if the guy said I don't do.

Or I don't do you, that's weird, I won't say it's not weird.

Everybody has.

That's not everybody has their own thing.

But because because for me it's the energy thing.

Connect that because trust me, that's not even necessary.

If you have the right connection, not necessary.

It's really great.

You don't think about it, if you have the right connection with that guy.

But sometimes the vibes, even when you love someone, you're committed to someone your that's your life partner, there are times where it's like, I'm not feeling you right now, but you know what, I could use this head real quick, you know, Yeah, I don't know dosage.

I don't even have to talk right now at distagreeb Tyla Like, if you have the right connection with that guy's not necessary.

I think I think that if it works for you, I'm not going to nobody's young.

But you asked me, I mean personally, person I mean it's also an expectation at least with that women EXPM and if it's something that women enjoy, I just feel like reciprocation, it's a.

Level of respect that.

Okay, if you so women don't have to do that for you either, then she doesn't have to.

Yeah, so you're okay with that?

You could be with Yeah, I.

Could be with who doesn't do that, because that's never going to happen from me ever.

Okay, okay, yeah never, you know what I mean.

And if I'm the last of a dying breed, then hoorah.

Understand but that will never happen and I and I won't even second guess it.

Like people say, no when you find that girl that you're really in love with.

I'm in love and it will never happen.

Can I ask why?

I'm like, no, it's just just me.

And as I said, I grew up in.

Germany and I was gonna say that too.

But I don't.

I don't want to like put it that is just because I was born in Jamaica.

Why because you have enough man with that Jamaica said I did.

I understand it's not as taboo in Jamaic, I know as it once was.

I mean maybe they're more liberal right now than open minded.

For me personally, I just can't see myself doing that.

What is the mother no nose for you?

All right?

Or definitely don't even think board touching a girl in our black I don't know anal business.

Okay, boody play never like.

Just don't even think them, understand now, you're damn in the but nothing not listen from it.

I don't even think board it, and I don't even like it's not even like I would ask a girl a question like has a man never played with your you?

Just I would.

I'm not going to ask her that, but if he's a case we're in which like I don't want to someone judge you.

But if she tells me that that's something she's into, like she's right after but I'm attractive to me.

Wow, you know what I mean?

Okay, what about can you use toys?

If them I use those when I'll watch Okay, a problem, but you know it can't go to the tuble place, then just keep it, keep it traditional.

I understand I feel like saying that you personally won't do these things, but I think it also just goes back to the way they were socialized.

And I understanding you're saying to Jamaica they're more liberal now, but just thinking about the three Western women on the side of the can and our perspectives on it, I even you saying stay traditional.

I just think it has a lot to do with the environments you're in, nature versus nurture.

That whole thing too.

Yeah, on my environment nurtured me saying yo, don't love man and don't go down and yeah, and don't do no fold play.

You understand that was real?

No fould play, no fault said, no place, don't fubble doubly understand.

Yeah, So so we grew up the wet understand certain things.

You're just not gonna do.

You think that we all have things we would deny it till death.

I think by virtue of just like being human beings with experiences and shame, there are things we prefer for other people not to know.

But I think for the context of the conversation when it involves hurting someone and like in community, I don't think we should take those things to be grave.

I think that is a that is a tool of protecting what's the word I'm looking for, just detrimental things like to the community, like and yeah.

It's not a lot of people who, let's say it would be doing something that's detriment with the community per se.

I feel like in the are right now, it's like what kind of freaking ship you would do that you would not tell nobody, you know, Like, m That's what I feel like consensually yeah, not for just you feel like you want to do it.

Yeah.

And if my pron is new that you were doing this, like, they would be heavily devastated and disappointed.

So you know what, because.

In privacy and shame and it sounds like you're talking about shame, like you were ashamed you wanted to do something.

And that's what I'm saying, Like a lot of like iree.

That's why I say people should just live their shoes and do what they want to do, you know what I mean.

If you don't want to do it, but don't do something.

If you like my friends or my family knew about this, they're going to be understanding.

Yeah, but people people like them like yo, if we do this, nobody can become enough.

I do it right, they.

Understand, but them like it.

So I didn't did us lie because they don't want nobody to know.

They don't want to strap on, you know what I'm saying.

They do.

But there's some women that are okay, and I know some of them that were doing that and guys like it, but they would never want anybody to know about them.

I mean, which is fair.

Like I don't need I don't need all my family and my friends know all my business.

I'm not.

A pace of shame, right, That's what I'm saying.

I think you also have to.

It's gonna take time, but as a society, we got to reorient what we think about shame, Like what you like sexually.

As long as we have we have two consenting adults, you don't have to be ashamed of that.

You can want it to be private, but the things we should be ashamed of, to my point is the things that we're not talking about.

You know what.

It's interesting because the reason why I even started this podcast was because I felt like black women didn't really have a space to be able to talk about things like sex and relationships and learn.

And sometimes that was and people have been like, people who like it have been really appreciative to be able to be like, it's not just me that likes this, because sometimes what comes with that is people feeling like it affects their life if there's things that they like and they think they're alone in it, you know.

And also educational, like if ever one day you wanted to perform oral sex, you could listen to this and learn the right way to do it.

If ever one did a guy a guy, a guy who's never done.

It, because a lot of guys have listened to this show and learned how to do it.

You know what I mean?

They learned to do it by watching.

I was talking about it like like lingos.

Yeah, it was a dirty word, the medical term.

Like I can't say in.

The right for me, For me, I'm not saying it's not right for everybody.

I'm just saying about me, Like I would never interesting, it would never be a situation.

What is that would change my mind?

It is very strong, is it?

Like?

Never perception of uncleanliness?

Oh no, I would never say that because why why would you have sex with someone who you think is something?

You know what I mean?

Why would you put you No?

Never hard to scooch up to your face.

Like it's like it's like maybe a girl is going on here, she's trying to like go like where you're going, Like you're going too far?

Do you know what I mean?

But not if your wife and sweetheart died that to each other?

Is that a problem?

Did it to each other?

Like if there was a performer or all on each other?

No?

Not think so?

Ye?

And that's what it is?

That a problem?

No, it's not a problem.

No, it's not a problem.

Personally in the midst of fun and what they want to do, I don't.

I don't have what they want to keeping this whatever whatever, just like, you know, let's have three, not talking about my wife and three.

So now you don't want talk about your wife.

Because at the end it is still I don't feel like me singing the song wasn't like saying I want I want to have my wife and my sweetheart together.

You know.

It's just like I wanted to know each other.

About each other together.

That could happen.

Yeah, But but that wasn't That wasn't that wasn't what I was saying in the song.

I was like, if I want to do if Sugar is my sweetheart, I want to be able to tell my wife, yo, I go go.

I'm gonna go see Sugar.

You understand.

And it's okay because she understands that Sugar is our third person.

But what if we both want you in that moment.

Well, that is not a conversation that we can have.

Right, I'm gonna be miserably, but I don't when.

Right you said to me, no, love, I want to come over, and and and I would say, talk to Patricia, you want to come over tonight and everybody good because it's consensual.

However, that's not the gist of what I was saying.

What I'm saying is I just want you to know to be friends and everybody's good.

This man's planning a little bit.

That's like, definitely a little bit.

I'm just saying that we asked, was two women decided they wanted to link right, do them thing?

If you want to have fun.

Yeah, but I'm not.

It's not going to change my mind and be like, oh that looks so exciting.

Let me dog.

And she's like this was the best thing that's ever happened to me.

I'm just still Sometimes the women discover their true selves in situations like that.

Yeah, get what I'm probably like, realized them like that and then people.

And then you get kick you get kicked out the web.

It's pivoting if they get to liking that too much, in realize that there's no more space for you.

We are going to duel.

You got to move on.

That first one.

He got.

Squirting.

Have you had a woman squared on?

Okay?

Is that okay?

Okay?

It's not not like about not for squirreteam you know, I mean it happens naturally.

It's like you bring her to that feeling of you four it is like you can't handle it.

That's what I think.

I don't feel like, is everyone make Maybe you have just squired as you're a skirt for everybody.

I don't know, but I feel like he's reach to a certain point.

What you say, like, I think so?

I think so.

I feel like maybe all women can squirret, but never reached that point sexually where it happened.

You think all women can square?

I don't know.

Have you squared it?

No?

Have you?

LINI?

That was perfect?

What about you?

Jordan?

Okay, but I've heard about it.

You've heard about it?

Yeah?

You ever feel like you were about to when you stab yourself?

I think it's too hard perfectly?

Maybe that's it feel Yeah, like the first time it happened, I thought it was like like, what is you know?

He's tight here?

Crazy?

I love?

What?

Like?

What's going on?

The first time?

I mean, you start?

But then I realized that you know it's actually I think up, Yeah, you know.

What I mean?

Find the places?

Yeah, I'm just listening, but you respecting to answer, which is an answer, which is.

Which is answer?

You know what?

An answer?

Right?

Sure?

Definitely the whole album, and I am we can talk about that.

Yeah, can we talk about that?

Sure?

Okay, all right, so tell me because people were asking you started off with this parking lot pimping that was really really popular on social media and on YouTube, and and then now you have a show on Revolt that just started so yeah, so, which is amazing because she had so much of a following that people were like, okay, and then I saw people being like, when is the album coming, and you said it.

Is, yeah.

So I didn't intend to make an album.

I just know when I first got on social my goal was to create an audience for my poetry or my spoken word, whatever you want to call it, because I always know how a different approach to it because it does involve music.

But I wouldn't consider myself a rapper or a singer, like I stay in my lane and I'm really good at what I do.

But anyway, the parking Lot took off, and I just felt like leaving that relationship setting a lot of things down, like I had opened myself back up for my creative juices to flow and when I started writing again, it was coming like water.

So I wanted.

To see there you go.

Okay, that was quick.

That was quick.

But yeah, so I did want to do another content series, and I was trying to use the same formula I did with the parking lot to like give people short snippets so none of the pieces are past like what would be a real on Instagram.

And I started posting them and people were asking, like how can I listen on Spotify, like where's the album?

And I plan to do that later in the year because I planned a Winno Grammy.

I plan to submit for a scoring word out, but just the reception happened much faster, and I was able to link with some people who write and compose like original music because I was using a bunch of samples or like license free music or whatever.

But I didn't really dope pieces that I paid for, you know, permission to use on social But I wanted to create original work if people were trying to listen.

So we got an EP come in with like I think ten tracks, ten tracks, and I'm really excited it's almost done, but I'm taking the time for my team to like put some like gas behind it and like roll it out for real, because you know, before the show, I've been doing everything as an individual artist, using my own money, paying for my own promotion, and.

Right, yeah, and that's I feel like the most satisfaction comes from when you started off that way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think we're still gonna I'm still gonna be an independent artist, but just put me with some resources so I don't have to do everything by myself because that also just like drains me as a creative.

So I'm really excited about it.

And it's just like the whole album is a story of a black woman in his time living in America, seeing all the news that's coming by, but also being a full person with every day experience.

Is like just turning thirty being like finally feeling like they got some symbolists on adulthood because it's all like an experiment.

Nobody knows what they're doing.

So I'm excited because, as I said at the beginning, I think people, even though politics was never my thing, history is really my thing and politics became a necessary conversation.

People just see me as a vending machine for information.

Yeah, I am a whole person.

And after that election.

You said I need a.

Break, absolutely absolutely, What are you thinking about us?

Like with Donald Trump?

I'm just curious, but what is the perception?

What is your what I mean, I want to know what you'll.

Be thinking, like they're crazy in America?

What do you Yeah, I really don't think about it.

Hm, because I know people we go places, they be like they're always like, I'm so sorry.

Shoot, because I just want to put it out there.

I have nothing to do with that, correct.

That's how I be feeling.

I be wanting to explain like I ain't got nothing, like it's not my idea.

You did?

Yeah, why America?

Listen all right, and this is just my thoughts on it.

It's a black woman, yeah, hm, it would be the first time a woman's going to be president.

It could not happen with a black woman.

I thought.

I did think it was exciting when it happened, But then I also know that you're right.

The mississ never had their racism.

It never happen.

Yeah, I think you have to have a female president before you know what I mean, that was white.

It has to be that way first for America.

And I don't even think honestly, I don't think America would want to give a white woman the presidency.

They didn't like, they don't trust, they don't trust them enough, the don't care about it enough enough.

I at least thought I thought America had been put in a position where they were going to have to be forced to choose her.

That's what I thought was Okay, they would have won because like they threw her in, she only had one hundred days to run, and when you think about it, the number she did get were only one hundred days worth of a campaign.

Had she had all the time, she likely could have won.

But but again, America was just going to be forced to be in that position because they didn't choose her, or they think they didn't choose her because they don't understand like the twenty fifth Amendment, when the president is no longer in capacity, the power goes to the vice president.

They did technically choose her, but they didn't have to manually put her name on the ballot.

So again, I just thought they was gonna get caught up.

And the marketing was like, y'all didn't even choose her.

That's the marketing.

Yeah, that's not that's not true.

Not doing a thing.

It must be Yeah, you know what I mean.

Do you think you guys are going to be affected like economy wise, like affected by all the bullshit he got going on.

Yeah, the world's affected in somewhere because because there was one point where we were supposed to cut ties with Cuba.

I don't know what.

I don't know how that happened, what happened to that?

But you know, yeah, everybody's affected.

Yeah, I just come on a president.

You feel like right now?

As far as reggae and dance hall music, it's an amazing time globally because I feel the energy.

It's in a very good place, you know what I mean?

Yeah?

Yeah, and Big of the Teacher Yeah vibes t yeah.

Is an injection of great energy into the industry forge and dancer, I understand.

Yeah.

Man.

It goes to show that it has the power, It has the pulling power because well, you don't know, he's an exceptional talent and an exception as well, because when you pull up and at the venue, then we're not talking about five those capacity, those capacity my party thousand places, you know what I mean.

And it didn't just happen once or twice, so you see that it wasn't a fluke.

Yeah, understand.

I want to also pick up the icons, the icons in music, because I saw where Barry Salmon, Sean Paul and Jaggie they did.

They did the Ubs Arena as well, and it was the.

Full like that is so powerful?

Is the power as you're Talian Stevens.

Yeah, I mean that's right there too.

Yeah, the poet there is so powerful when you have a platform and you can introduce, use it to introduce somebody else, you know, because I'm here now with Christopher Martin.

Yes I'm sugar, but because of this collaboration, I am being seen more.

You know.

It's ability.

Yeah, it's something I appreciate.

So I'm just hoping other artists the icons also see the poe that they have, you know, to to you can put out some artists out there.

There's so many because there are so many young artists out there who are looking for opportunities, and there are so many times when we spend time talking about what needs to be done, but we don't do what.

Needs to be done.

How to talk about it, you know, and so that's what I would like.

I'm so happy to be here because at least make it said this.

You know, we.

Need to do more than we say.

Man yea, even because we're being in man.

I think it was a bounty killer that posted and tell people to go.

Definitely, even no matter what differences are, it's good for the whole time.

The industry, industry one hundred.

I don't know, we grew up, you know what I mean?

You don't know.

You You have many icons in the business that did it kind of big scale as you mentioned, Shaggy Shan, Paul Shaba.

You understand who Ju Banton, You know what I mean.

These people are people who've packed and places where it's reggae.

Understand.

Regging is dance, you understand.

So the space that it's in right now, a lot of eyes are on it.

So it's just it's good for everything, everybody.

It's just for us to capitalize on the wave.

Have yeah waving.

Waving.

I told you we got to go.

I'm ready, I'm ready to go.

She's there.

So do you live in New York?

I live in Atlanta.

Oh okay, so you only are here in town for this?

Yeah, So talk to me about getting your deal with Revolt and how that even happened.

It was it was a conversation between me and the Lord.

Either I was gonna be obedient or I was gonna struggle.

And as I said, along with my breakup came a lot of things.

I lost a lot of people, not not necessarily in a bad way.

Not you mean like friends, because you guys had me to like, what do you know?

No, I just mean quite literally, like my assistant that had been with me for three years she went on to do something else.

Some friends that I just had personally even up through lent this year because I let go a lot for LT again, still trying to be in tune with what the Lord has for me.

I lost friends in that season, and I just put a lot of stuff down, like whether it's my business, my nonprofit, things that I was trying to force to be stable and just weren't like I was trying to be in control, and so I took my hand off everything.

I said, Lord, you always taking care of me.

So I'm just gonna quite literally sit here and I'm gonna be still.

And that was boring, and it wasn't lonely, but I had to get used to being by myself as I lived with my ex and I moved to a new place, there's just a major season of transition.

But anyway, my prayer was like, I'm gonna put it down and I'm gonna wait on you.

And two weeks later I got a phone call that said Revolte wanted to give me a show.

And I hadn't even I hadn't, I hadn't spoken to Revolt about any sort of platforming and maybe a year and a half but my name had been in room since I started back in twenty twenty.

So I'm just really grateful for that.

And organically, organically, for sure, for.

Sure do it.

Yeah, I've been pitching shows I put in my bio years ago, stopped playing somebody to get his girl a show, and I've been pitching things scripted series, unscripted series, book projects, And like every meeting I took, everybody loved the idea, but they were like, oh, it's just not the right time for the market, or we don't really understand it, or this feels too smart for us for me to get exactly what I needed, when I needed it and how I wanted it.

So the team at Revote is amazing.

Everybody is so protective of me, and I'm really grateful for that.

But they're also just really good people to work with and they want to be as loud as I want to be.

That's gra and we need that when you can be load right, So I'm grateful.

Cong thank you, and so for.

When is a new project coming out?

Because I feel like you've been doing things, but it's been a minute.

Yeah, the new album comes out in the September October.

What's the next single too?

So we know after wife and thought, we have a song called sky What don't do that?

Sacky?

Sucky?

Okay, a second.

Girl I heard, I was just gonna act like I knew what it meant.

I was aware of she likes socking.

Okay, we're talking about Noble first.

Interesting you're playing and Shi what about you?

Yeah?

So well, I've been working on my album.

We are kind of holding that back a little bit though, because you know, it's best to have more visibility so you have more people to sell to.

So I'm not in a hurry.

I'm just happy for this connection between myself and Christopher Martin.

Did you guys know what other even before this?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, it was from the same talent competition then.

The same year.

Yeah, I did.

I don't remember.

It's like an area.

Yeah, and so I've been watching him.

I've been watching Roman, and I've been saying, like, look, these guys are doing so well and they came from the same competition.

I want to I need to grow, I need to keep going.

I'm gonna just keep on playing that in my head.

And I'm so happy for the embrace right now.

Yeah, it's important.

I want to say to embrace the women because I know it's a harder road alway.

Yeah, definitely.

You know.

So I love that I'm a girl.

She's super talented.

I appreciate her, respect her talent.

So if and I'm by extension, I can do this.

It's yeah, it's easy.

To share my platform, to share whatever is going on for me.

But you take her version.

But I.

Love it.

Yeah, but you don't know when we need this show out.

They show out whenever she sings it.

It's like, yo, yo, you see why didn't you guys create all of this excitement for me.

I love that.

I love that for her, and we need a female version of Saki whenever that's goodness ideas.

Sorry, you need a female version, call it the Saki bomb bomb.

Good vibes man, you know what I mean, it's it's it's it's such a pleasure.

As I was saying, she's she's a wonderful energy, you know, I mean energy.

Energy goes a far away because people can't be talented.

They can have everything going for them where talent is concerned, Yeah, but their energy is just y and I I will stop you from excelling how you're supposed to.

And my friend believe and see like everything happens in its own time.

It's divine, isn't it mm hmm a fair time.

I'm loved.

Me and Jordan were talking about how you don't you don't normally like you know, you swear words things like that in your music.

Yeah, you said, your.

Mom listens listen to my music.

What does you think about my wife and sweetheart?

Right?

She says she likes the melody?

She doesn't, right, she said she loved the melody Junior nice.

Well, I'm like, it's like like the melody as well because they're both Christians.

So yeah, they're both Christians, so you won't really go around with my mom thinks what I think?

He honestly, he likes the melody as well.

But what I'm saying I'm not too in tune with it, but that's fine, Yes, fine, thank you very much, and I'm an entertainer.

Thank you, fat you.

And how can people watch your your shirt people's brief.

You can watch it on Revote Tuesday nights, nine pm if you had any sort of cable type deal Exfanity Sling, Filo Brian, it's on Prime, like Revolt TV has an app on.

Prime because I just said to her that I'm gonna I'm gonna revolt because I see it on Prime.

But I've never really had a reason to go and revolt.

So no, we stream it eleven the next day and then YouTube YouTube clips the next day as well.

Yeah.

Period, congratulations, congratulations to everybody.

Yeah, we're all doing many things.

We're all a big deal, very very very big big all right.

It is lip service