What's up its lip service?

I answer like yee, I'm Gigi Maguire, Jeordie Joor, Connie Diamond, Leela Jane Oh.

I love this combination.

First of all, both Connie Diamond and Leelah James have a voice like you could tell they do music.

No, for real, y'all got like just a music voice, like you could hear it when you talk like yeah, okay, I'm not I'm not mad at it.

And your both had projects out right now, new ones, So congratulations, we're going to get all into your business.

People get nervous.

Connie was like, what you about to ask me?

I'm so nervous.

Yeah, well, you know, I think, and I always tell people, we just want you to be comfortable.

If there's ever anything listen, this is the show where you like take that out.

We take it out like no questions asked.

There was even one person that was like, I don't know if we should hear this, and we didn't.

You know what I'm saying, because it ain't about like trying to have a gotcha moment ever, and it's more about the comfortability of it.

You know, Leila, I think it's like twenty years since your first project came.

Out well, yeah, the original, Yeah, eah, the original.

Yeah, my first album came out two thousand and five.

That's crazy, it really is twenty years Yeah.

Two thousand and five.

I want change gonna come.

That is amazing, crazy, Thank you don't Can you imagine like being in the I've been doing radio for twenty years.

Yeah, it was a different thing back then, right.

Yes, think about how my test changed from when you first put out your first project, yeah, you know, to what it is now.

Yeah, it's very, very different.

What would you say, how like, what's the.

Good social media?

Right off the top, you know, it's played changers every day.

Yeah.

I think that's the biggest difference.

I mean even how music is put out though now, the music, the way it's put out just I mean, the tension span now to is so short.

Yeah, I feel like songs got shorter absolutely yeah, right yeah, yeah.

And there's just like so many artists.

There's a lot of artists now, I think back then.

I'm not saying that it wasn't a lot of artists back then, but I just feel like it was at a time when you know, when you had D'Angelo and you had the Jill Scott's in there, Like it was just like people stood out.

So now it's like it's so much you're like, I can't even keep up.

I think it's the access of you know, back in the day, it was like you have to be signed to a label.

There's a process, then they have to do like a whole yeah, marketing plan.

Then there's a whole like there's they got to put this single out, then they wait, and then they put out another single, and then they wait and put out the album.

Now it's kind of like it's good and it's bad, right, because it's the access to be able to be like, well, I'm just gonna throw this out, you know, and that I think helps with artistry sometimes, but it also makes it like so much for people to handle.

Yeah, it's like it's so much traffic.

It's a lot.

But I mean I think it's a it's a good thing too, because.

I feel like it's room.

M hm.

I feel like it's more than enough room.

It's just it can be like overload at the same time, but it's still room.

I'm always discovering stuff.

Yeah.

You know, now, Connie Diamond, you've been doing this since you were fourteen years old pretty much as far as like poetry music, yes, you know and all of that.

Underdog Season two is out right now.

I didn't even get a chance to talk to you about this the letter that you're the first track on the project, So talk to me about the vibe that you were feeling that because it's very direct it is, Yeah, what do you feel direct to?

I mean or direct for?

I want to ask y' all this while we talk about that, Like we discuss forgiveness and if it's if it's fuck you, then it's fuck you always like is it no going back?

Like have people wronged you and then you is it no forgiveness?

I don't.

I don't.

It really depends on what has happened or what was done to me.

So I'm a very graceful person.

You are okay, okay?

Good?

I was like, how do you feel about that?

Because I will say that being in this business can also make you see like the Western people sometimes, Yeah, I've been there, and it makes it really tough because you never know, like who do you trust?

And yeah, people's motives.

People you thought you would never fall out with you end up falling out with.

All the time.

Yeah, I feel like for women to especially.

I feel like people in music tear women apart or there's always comparisons or kind of what you were saying, like, it's not enough room for all the women, and so how do y'all stand out?

How do y'all feel like, you know what, this is my individualism and this is what that looks like, right.

I mean, I feel like I to go back to the record the song I try to.

I try to.

I created that record because I felt like there's not enough people talk about like the trials or tribulations or what they're going through in the process of them, like creating a project or being in an industry itself.

So it's like the project is supposed to sound like what we wanted to sound like, but a lot, a lot of times out of ten is never.

You don't never really hear what you were going through in those moments, Like you probably hear about it in an interview like right now, or maybe like if someone is doing like a podcast or maybe like a tell all behind the scenes something like that.

So I felt like where I was at in that moment was like I don't want to paint this shit to look pretty, because it's not pretty.

Right now.

It's not like that.

It doesn't feel pretty right now.

I'm not gonna I don't want this project to feel like that.

I want I want to I want people to really understand what I'm feeling like right now.

So that's why I put let it in my fans because i feel like I'm in a space where I'm trying to find ways to connect with them, but I'm also like I'm close off to a certain degree because I'm trying to be more like, you know, vulnerable, so they can like get to know who I am as a person and not just the artist.

Being vulnerables hired.

It's very hard.

You're like exposing yourself, but then you're also exposing like the things that you feel it could be like insecure about I guess if that's the right word.

And people use that as a weapon sometimes absolutely, Yeah, especially people don't care.

And you know, Lela, you've done Reality TV R and B divas.

What was that experience like for you now that you look back at it.

Initially it started out good.

I was enjoying it because I went into it thinking it was going to be just that like reality as far as they were supposed to try to document our lives as as artists and then you know, some of us are mothers and just showing the real.

Side of our lives outside of just the music industry.

Then it got weird.

If I'm being honest, it just got weird.

You know, typical female crap and I don't do that shit, so oh I can't.

Curas, you can't get it.

Yeah, I just got weird a little where it's like what we're saying, Like, you didn't I didn't think that people really compete with each other like that.

And we're like because I grew up around like real folk, like you know what I mean.

I had real friends and real niggas around me that like, we don't trip off of certain stuff.

So when I got in that environment, I was like really shocked that.

Like I was like, people really be like.

Caddy and like and I had Like again, it was new to me because I've had solid friends my whole life, right.

And it's like legendary people on the show, Like you're respected so much as an artist.

We wouldn't think that you would go on there.

I mean, and everybody is cool.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not, but it's nothing bad.

It's just I just didn't know that reality wasn't reality, you know what I mean, because I was like, well, shit, I'm too real for this shit.

I ain't I would it don't.

It don't work for me.

Like the situations you normally would not be there.

Yeah, I wouldn't do certain things that just.

And some things are good for TV but not good for your personal life.

Yeah, so it was cool.

Yeah, So it was just it's portrayed right, and they you know how this stuff, like it can peace what they want a piece.

And after a while I'm just like, but that's not how that really went right.

So then you're like, nah, y'all got that.

I can't, you know what I mean, because this is really what it is for me, you know what I mean?

And I don't fake this like I live.

This for real.

So again, it started out cool, but after a while you start to feel like it might not be.

Because I felt like you've always been a little like protective of your personal life.

So that's why it was interesting because it's like, Okay, we get to see like what we look at going on, but then reality TV doesn't really necessarily show that, right Yeah.

Yeah, I mean I think everybody to a certain extent want to protect their private Lize's that's nothing wrong with that, But I mean I'm open as far as I'm an artist.

You want to see when I'm in the studio recording, Yeah, like that's what I'm doing.

You want to see how these conversations is going.

To her point with these executives are being vulnerable to these moments.

But that's not what we was that wouldn't need How is it.

For you kind of being more vulnerable now as an artist?

Honestly, I feel like it helps.

It's helping me connect more with my fans, like the fans that really want to know who I am or want to know like what inspired me to do certain records or inspire me to shoot a video a certain type of way or wear a certain outfit, or why my hair is the word the color it is.

So I'm learning now that you really got to try to.

You got to keep up with the Joneses, You got to stay in the loop with you know the way things are going as far as like social media and how because it's just it's just ultimate ways to continuously promote yourself and your music.

So right now I'm gonna I'm in an okay space.

I'm experimenting right now with like doing some content that is going to open up more for like help me open up more to my my fans.

Yeah, that's good when you could control it too, Yeah, Like I think that is such an important thing absolutely, Yeah, you know it great platform.

If you can do a reality show, it could be great.

Now, to be honest, that's the new project that you have right now.

Let's talk about right on time.

Yeah, tell me what that's about, because with your music, I feel the connection when you sing.

I know this is you know, super personal.

Yeah, it is right on time, pretty self explanatory, being vulnerable just speaking on you know, I've been through some kind of fucked up situations and this was one of those songs where I was saying, like a lot of times when you want something, it's not necessarily always in your time, but it shows up right on time and when you're not a lot of times when you're least expecting you.

And that's what that was all about, Like just a coming to a point where I thought like I was just done, Like I was like, man, I'm cool.

No one could get back in.

Yeah, like you know what I mean, Like I've done tried it married the voice that's not like, oh, I'm done, and then it's like, look at this showing up right on time.

Just I was like, you know what I mean?

So that's what it is.

I love that, right Tom.

Yeah, no, because honestly, like ooh, divorce is one of the hardest things.

One of the reasons I had a topic this morning on my show.

We were talking about this guy called in.

He was proposing after twenty four years of being with somebody.

He says, it's gonna be our twenty fifth year.

I'm going to propose to her.

The whole family's coming for Thanksgiving.

I'm like, what made you decide to do this?

Now?

Yeah, but I remember an artist and I won't say who he is because I want to blow them up.

He told me, whatever you do, don't get married.

It changes everything.

And he was married, and I was like, dang it.

Honestly, it did scare me when he said that.

He was like, people act different after you get married.

You could have a great relationship.

And I didn't never want to think about it like that.

But we were talking earlier about statistics.

They said women initiate over seventy percent of divorces like when it comes to it's time to leave.

And I was wondering, like, because you know, they always say it's cheaper to keep her.

Sometimes men don't even bother trying to do that because it's expensive, you know, to have to deal with that.

But I also think that men have a tendency to make you break up with them, you know what I'm saying, Like they do like the most disrespectful stuff, but they're not gonna break up with you.

They're just gonna act like they're not with you until you don't really have a choice.

Or they're just testing the waters to see how far you can they can go away.

But in that same realm, I saw this trend about women saying even in the they're happy relationships, that they wouldn't get married again.

And we're encouraging younger women not to get married and you know, have a partner or have separate homes or something.

And I was like, yeah, because apparently men are the more happy ones in the heterosexual marriage than women.

Like a lot more things fall on women's shoulders traditionally, you know, and the vacations, putting the union, the kids to school, doing the doctor's appointments, all those things, but they.

Were like I got to go home and take my kids to school.

Yeah, right, which I love it.

I mean, I have been married.

I can honestly say there's some I believe in the institutional marriage.

I think it's a beautiful thing.

I just I would say that just.

Be made to the right person, right.

But you never know, because you don't you're marrying the right person.

Not I you knew you worried.

Yeah, yeah, so sometimes.

I mean, you know, you're like, I'm we're here, We're in it.

I ain't doing nothing else, but I'm playing now.

I think that it's important try to as best as you can't know the right person.

I do also recommend having separate bathrooms and just in your living.

Place, things like that.

Those little things make a difference, right like, because after a while, you like you literally need your space.

I feel like I'm never home anyway.

And I think as artists, like you know, we're outside a lot working.

You might be traveling a lot.

So I also think there's that because I do like missing the person i'm with.

Sometimes it's nice to like go away and come back.

I like that too, yeah yeah, because then it makes you like excited, you know, what I'm saying.

But I understand what you're saying, like having your own space and having that it's a I don't know.

It's weird because sometimes Gigi would tell you she wanted to be like the skin in your skin.

I'm such a clinger, Like when I love somebody, I just want to be like again like, yeah, in their skin, Like I just want to be all over them.

I'm so affectionate in love.

W But at the same time I be wanting space too, So I get it.

Yeah, Yeah, what's your status, Connie?

What you mean?

I'm the same way.

I'm like, I mean relationship.

Are you single now?

No, I'm in a relationship.

Okay, all right, so you're clinging in your relationship.

She's like, I'm not playing no guns.

Are you seeing anyone?

Right?

On?

Time?

Right?

She said, to be honest.

You know, I'm just I'm in living right now that you deserve it.

Yeah.

I think one of the things that was important that I learned is to take some time to be by myself.

And so when I got back into the dating pool, if you will, like it made more sense, right, and I could, you know, navigate a little better.

I didn't think I wanted to initially just get out of something and jump right into the next day.

Yea, although sometimes it happens like that.

It does, but I didn't want to, yeah, because it didn't work for me in the past.

So this time I was like, let me just chill, and then during that chilling period is when it showed up right on time.

Sometimes you got to clean a slate, yeah, for real, That's how it happens, because if you have too many distractions and things going on, that's like you're not going to attract you know what it is that you want to attract, If that makes sense.

I feel like, but you know, rebound relationships are a real thing.

I feel like I went from one into another.

I feel like I'm never single, Like I had a period of time.

She's right, y'all before he said, what, I've never seen a single you?

Wow?

Yeah, you know why?

You probably go You probably you like you know when someone like know that, like you have the feeling like when you know, like all right, like it's what so you like?

So you be you've been your situation still but then like you're ready, you already know you're who you want to be with next, So you're already like ready to go somewhere else.

You know, that's why you're never see probably like all right, I'm done.

I'm really that because we've been broken up.

Break up for real?

Yeah, I think that's all females though, like they we break up with you in our.

Heads like maybe shocked to already gone.

But how does that work though, like when you say you never seen it, like.

Well, like okay, so I did have a period of time, like before my ex ex boyfriend, where I was like, I need a break because I feel like every time I started dating somebody, I'm not good at dating several people, like it's always gonna so that's yeah, so it's hard for me to do that.

I saw like a post where they were saying they were asking, like when you're dating somebody, if they're dating other people, are you okay with that?

And for me, I don't even have time like that, you know what I'm saying, Like if I like somebody, you know, I be locked in on one person at a time.

It's hard for me to be like here here.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

I would have loved to be like that, but I just feel like it's just never been.

You always know who you like, like, even if it's more than one person, you know who you like the best, and you kind of lock in on that.

So that's probably why.

And then I think that I guess like roped into a relationship sometimes, like I don't intend for it to happen, and then next thing you know, you're seeing one person and then it's like, okay, I guess that's my.

Man, Yeah, my man.

Yeah.

Does anybody say it anymore?

Like like when you settle down, was it like we locked in or did it just happen?

I said something, I was like okay, so like I was like, so I'm not about to keep doing this or lets you my man?

So he was just like all right, okay, that was it.

Wow, okay, posted up it and everything.

How long has this been going on?

Probably like a year?

Aw Does he understand like all your music stuff?

Is he you know, because sometimes it's hard for a guy to date somebody who does what you do.

I think he understands, feels it feels like he understands.

We never really had any issues as far as like what I'm doing in music or I'm doing music, like if I'm in the studio, late, or if I'm like in the studio with a bunch of guys or something like that.

We never had really issues any issues.

Like Okay, that's good, that's positive.

Leela, you're shaking your head.

Yes, what about you know?

Cause it is like a difficult thing I think, and ego wise for guys too, Like you'll be outside and people want to take pictures, they want to stop you, and now he got.

To take the communicate communication thing, like if you if I'm just in the studio and you and I don't tell you I'm in studio and you scroll on Instagram and you see me in the studio with I don't know Drake and whoever else you're like, where you at, what you're doing is?

I think it's about communicating, Like I'm going through the studio, I have a session with this person from this time to that time.

If somebody tries to kick it to you, would you tell him?

I guess I mean nobody really be like I mean, I don't type of person.

I'm not gonna lie like I don't.

I feel like certain things are really unnecessary, Like I can ignore a lot of things, like if I feel like if I even think that it's going to make him feel the type of way.

Probably won't say anything, but h like if I if I if it'sone I really want to laugh at, Like I'm like, yo.

Because that's the hard thing, right, because you want to be honest, but then you don't want to unnecessarily make somebody feel away, especially because you know you're not going to do nothing.

But you have in the past, like I have expressed something like that in the past.

Yeah, I don't know if I don't think I would tell me because you like hate the person forever for no reason.

Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?

When it could be something that's no big deal, you like I'm straight and then it's over.

But then now he knows and now he's a problem.

I think that also has to do with like I think, I mean, I don't know.

Maybe maybe because of the field of work you're into.

It's like old Drake Sitney and d MS and you're like, yeah, but I'm your favorite of mine.

You keep saying something Drake is like everybody's nemesis everything because everybody's like super villain.

But also I feel like people don't know anymore because no one really posts each other like that, like do you post your band?

I do you do?

I'm not I'm not a big.

Poster of my man, like he would be casper to most of these people, so I don't think they would know.

But I was even in a relationship like yeah, I did not say anything, you.

Know, Leilah.

For you, when it comes time to work on music, what is that process like for you?

Because I remember there was a time you took like a little break from you know, putting out like a full body of work.

I think it was four years.

Was it was a couple of the yeah, something like that.

Yeah, you know.

Again, I'm a mother, so I focused on my family.

You know.

I took some time to do that because when I did come out years ago, I hit the payment run, Yes you did, and I was touring a lot between here and overseas, a lot overseas ands.

So it just reached a point where I had to be still for myself and for my family.

And that's what I did because I didn't want to lose myself in this industry.

You know, that's important because people will put and then next thing.

You know, I always feel like women have it different than men too.

We do, Yeah, being a mom in this business and the responsibility and the guilt.

People have mom guilt, hell of mom guilt.

And I was pregnant before I was on the road, like and then got him off the road and got pregnant and then he wasn't playing have the baby and then you go right back out like that's you know.

People don't understand from men, it's different, like, yeah.

You're wearing baggy clothes because he's like, I don't want folks to see I understand what's happening.

But I'm on stage like, man, my, what about the birds?

You know what I'm saying.

And it's like you got all of these you know, we women, we emotional, We got stuff that we deal with, and so yeah, it can be hard in.

This industry is not always female.

Yeah, he was gonna say something.

I was gonna say.

My homegirl she has she her daughter's probably like with twelve or thirteen, and she still feels like if she's away from one than three days, she's like I need to be home with my daughter, Like my girl need to be outside, come outside real quick.

Yeah, I mean, and I think men don't be feeling that, like I mean, they miss their kids.

But it's different, and it's also physically different because it's not like you have to give birth, you have to be pregnant, you have to take a moment, you have postpartum, like those are all the things that you know and no, I get it, you know.

But and then they also act like for a woman once you have a kid, they'll act like your career is going to be like damaged by that.

Not you know, it's.

All kind of guilt.

They put all kind of stuff on you.

Sure, well, how are you feeling now though with the project out and everything, and then you did additional songs.

Right, yeah, I feel good.

I'm very excited about the project.

Just to still be able to do what I love and do it for the people, it feels good, and I feel good about the body of work.

I'm constantly growing as an artist and evolving, and I just love the artists and woman that I am now.

I mean, you have such a phenomenal voice, and it's so unique.

I think once we hear it, it's like we automatically notice you.

Thank you.

You know, it's not because I feel like sometimes it's also hard, like you said, there's so much right now, yeah, so to be established in that way is such a big deal.

Thank you, Yeah, thank you.

She's like, I don't even know.

You know.

And for you, Connie Diamond, I've just been you know, a lot of people have been following your path and your career up until now.

And I told you this when I saw you last time.

It feels like now is your time, like because sometimes we could be impatient too and be like okay, but it feels like now, you know, just with this project, I love it.

I think it's amazing and it's it's such a like a vibe, vibe because this is how I like my music to be, like how to say New York.

I appreciate that.

I appreciate you.

Yeah, I was getting ready to it on the way here.

Really, what did you like the most ghetto and ratchet?

Yeah?

Is it?

Let me show you or show something?

Let me see something.

That's my other one?

I recorded that one in Cali?

You did?

Yeah?

It was a producer's name is Diego.

Diego.

Do you feel like when you record and say another state or city or even out the country if possible, that it creates a different vibe for you circumstances or like the area where you.

Are absolutely when I first saw with de Gym.

They were flying me out constantly to meet to go to the studio and met with producers.

And I feel like I made some of my best music when I first that's good.

There's a song that I have with a DMX semple with these pitches want and I couldn't, I couldn't, I didn't haven't.

It's a most story about getting cleared.

But I feel like that's my favorite soe.

It's the first song I ever recorded.

When I got out there, it was like the first day.

It was like such a vibe.

I feel like when I'm when I fly out, when I go to the studio, I don't know, like I have a different inspiration, Like I have a different like the energy is completely different, my thought process is different.

I don't know if it's the air or of just the assphere or just being in the studio with its different different creative so like I love, I love flying out and making music because I always make something fire and different.

You probably get like really inspired by where you are too, you know, aside from being here, what about you, Leela, is that your experience.

Definitely definitely like I live in the South now, but I always fly back home to Cali a lot of times to record.

Just yeah, whether it's palm trees, it's the beach, just the it's.

The we're just the feeling of being at home.

Yeah, it's sad, it's weed this everything, you know what I'm saying.

So it's like it makes you it makes me feel a way when But I also I lived here for a long time too, and I recorded my first couple of projects out here, and I had a great time too.

This was a time too.

It was a time Yeah, New York.

That was That was a time.

I don't know what to recreate what that was like, man.

That's what we were saying like that that time, like it was just it was special.

Like do you have some stories, because you know, we'd like to hear some first hand stories of what it was like being here during that time and record.

I remember I was living here and then I would catch your train down to Philly and record.

That's where Touch a jazz studio down there, depth Jesse Jeff Studios, and I remember being in there with Flow a Tree and Music Soul Child and everybody was just like all in different rooms just like working on their projects, right and like you would just hear like amazing stuff and then to hear it like several months later come out and like you blew up like it was just dope, you know what I mean.

It was just it was just a time.

It felt so special.

But yeah, I remember those days and just like how exciting it was just to it felt like it was a rebirth, a rebirthing of soul music because it wasn't never like a situation where soul had left.

It's just you hadn't heard it in that manner in a long time.

So to hear that fresh take on it, to hear these new artists what was considered at the time of your soul artists coming out, and you know, to be amongst that, like it was.

It was like cruise too kind of in a way, like you know, and I feel like recording is so different now, you know too.

It's because everything is so technologically advanced that people don't really be in the studio together necessarily because it used to be like you at the studio, I'm gonna pull up.

I feel like, I guess not as much.

I don't know if I'm wrong.

It's pretty much it's a lot of recording and sending your verse or sending the track.

Yeah, the collaboration and that energy, the energy ag is important.

Yeah that really it does.

It turns the song up twenty times.

It does.

Oh my god, I wrote.

Me in the studio anytime I do something with the person.

Yes, I was in when we did get on Ratchet, it was like, and that's all I feel like, Oh my god, it's so good.

And you knew when that you knew when you recorded that what it was about to be.

I knew.

I was like always over.

Dam story and stuff like the what.

Was my favorite line?

I gotta look it up.

I just look up the lyrics, but there was some.

There was one that's.

Doing it is secretly ghetto and Ratchet.

Yes, now I'm walk you hood Princess love it.

It is interesting though, like today I feel like being an artist is not necessarily just about the music.

Before you could get away with having like an amazing album.

Earlier you were talking about connecting with people.

It feels like you got to do like.

You can't just make music anymore.

Yeah, you gotta do it all.

You gotta like you can't gone as the mostique of being an entertainer or artist or even a celebrity.

Everything is so out in the open.

Now everything so many people are accessible through social media and meet and greets, and like literally I live in Atlanta and you can see anybody at like Chick fil a or Target or you never know where you can run into somebody at.

And it's just like back in the day, in the nineties and the two thousands, we weren't seeing celebrities out and about living their real lives.

We didn't know anything about I remember there was a time but we didn't even know what certain people look like into their albums draped you.

Know what I'm saying, And those days can happen.

Yeah.

Now everything is just like in your face, out in the open, so everybody is so accessible, and you know, it's just a different time.

Yeah, yeah, I tell you posting DiAngelo to rest in peace to di'angelo man, that was it's like so unexpected, you know when that was announced.

But he was somebody that I feel like you would not just see him out and about it ever.

Yeah.

Yeah, like she said, the times are just different.

I mean we're talking about as you said earlier twenty years ago to now, like social media has truly just affected that, like so you almost got to just be out because it's like they don't even care about your music.

They just want to like what she got on, what he got on.

It's like, man, like, you understand how dope this artist is, Like are you listening?

You worried more about what he got on versus what he sounded like in its quality of So it's like it's more you gotta sell.

It seems like a brand and everything and your personality versus just your talent.

Like I've seen somebody say that recently too.

They it was like the industry cares nothing about the talent anyo.

Which sucks.

That's the foundation of the industry because there's definitely people we all could probably think of that we're like, yeah, I mean not naming no names, but I'm just saying I'm sure we all could like be like, Okay, you know this person is.

But you know what then that and it from an artists and parts, it does suck because there's a lot of artists that are that are in that position where they're like, oh wow, but the talent is not it's like invisible.

But I think that's where the people that do have talent, that's what they have the advantage because it's like, okay, cool, so what are they doing that I'm not doing?

And it's not really to compare yourself, but it's more to see what the people are more interested in.

People want to know about you.

Now, if you're a person that is very private, then it's not gonna work in your favor.

But there are ways to figure out how to how to get your people in because I heard that once, once you get someone to be invested in you as a person, they will they will buy your fart selling instance, pussy incense like you could sell anyone anything at that point because they're so invested in you person.

Having the town to IoT some bottle pussy what I didn't?

I just I'm you know, I'm an insane girl.

I had to buy the bottle pussy incent I did get.

I don't think they.

Incense, that's.

It.

Yeah, she gave it to me, said he what's this smell like incense?

I don't know, yeah, but I think i's not my pussy.

Earlier about the people have these days.

That came away, it was told.

Out, let me ask you this, would you work with somebody if they were popular but you didn't really think they were good.

Oh, I'm gonna ask both the popular.

You know, it's get It depends depends where I'm at my life for real.

But at right now, if somebody was and you was like.

But I would because it's a business.

For me, this is business.

It's not it's not something I'm doing because I just literally have to pay my bills.

Like it's a business.

And exposure matters.

It does matter because just because I don't feel like they're that great, but they have, they have an audience.

I'm still looking to expand my audience.

So if I know that I'm great and people who feel like.

I'm great that I want to, I'm gonna go in there and be great.

Either way, that's it.

I'm just gonna do what I do.

And they're not that great is your own personal opinion.

But you know, yeah, I think it's subjective, you know.

And though I think it's definitely subject.

Because there's times have you said no to certain like collaborations that it's like a personal like I'm not really you know what I'm saying.

But even though people may like them, maybe you don't.

It's not even so yes, I think again, because I don't think I don't like to judge people like that.

I don't like to judge other artists because I know that artists, as an artist be sensitive about our ship like keep it.

I don't want to judge.

It's like it may not be my thing, but that don't mean it's not a thing, you know what I mean?

Like it it's so subject.

It's like there's so many genres of music.

It's like you know, and so that means it's it's going to be different types of artists for different types of people.

So I don't try to judge that.

It's more for me.

It's like if you like on some weird kill kill kill them, I don't like.

That or like I'm like, yeah, that's different, you know what I mean.

I probably can't rock with that because now we're sending a message that I don't support.

So it's not even about whether you are viewed as whack or not.

It's just like I don't say that kind of shit, like right, so like yeah, like yeah, so no, I wouldn't do that.

You know, you always knew what you wanted to be right and what you were going to do.

Did you ever have any like odd jobs coming up while you were trying to make.

It absolutely I did a little bit or anything.

What did you do?

Uh?

Well, I mean I did graduate from college, so I was hustling.

What do you think you were going to be?

Like what you major in communications?

I was trying to go to law school.

I still work in entertainment and be an entertainment attorney.

I saw real estate.

I was a children's entertainer, you know them clowns and people.

I was sniffing burgers.

I was sniffing berger.

I mean you know I had to eat.

No, no, listen, I loved it because I think it's important for people to hear that because they might be like she always could sing, she knew this.

Is what she worked at Macy's.

Me too, I worked at Macy's too.

Got my discount, Yeah, I.

Still never mind.

I feel like it's okay to say you now right, you still use the discount.

I definitely use my discount.

But definitely there was like a whole little thing going on all anybody could work at Macy's and not never mind that, can I say, I mean, it can't work now.

It was so long ago.

No, let me not do that.

Get your girl.

No, well, listen, what I used to do was we used to go.

I would return stuff that I never bought, so I would go to the register to somebody I knew she would bring it up as a return, and then I would get credit and shot, so it looked like transaction.

Yeah, you know, everybody.

And it was interesting because I did that and mad people was getting fired because they were straight up stealing.

But I was at least like going because they could look on the cameras and see you at the register.

As long as it looked like I would just bring stuff up, they would ring it up and ring it up as a return, so they didn't know we might got to take this out.

I don't know if I can say this, but I was young, like in college.

You like that.

I'm gonna ask y'all and keep it.

Who did not steal?

Here?

Everybody done stole something, right, candy?

Yeah?

But okay, you so don't try to.

I don't like I don't like jail.

I don't even switch the tag on something in the Okay, okay, put thank you?

What's the cheapest tag that made me stand out?

Here?

By flat I'm scared.

I've always been scared to just flat out still, but I have booked the system of TIMEA two.

Let's just say that I just couple that I didn't like.

Okay, the school, juice check out, Okay, mad things.

Now, yeah, you know, and I got caught ones, you got questioning ones.

Yeah.

I was stealing a suitcase.

Oh that's big, a huge suitcase.

Just dumb.

And I was like leaving and they brought me to the room and I was like, I actually didn't have my I d luckily, and I gave them a fake name, give them a fake birthday, and they're like, okay, well you just can't come here.

The cops came in everything.

I was like okay, and then they let me go.

Suitcase, how did you walk I think you were going to walk out with a suitcake?

She said it because I had a tag like I scanned it.

But yeah, really wanted to get Yeah, I'm gonna I stole so much stuff in my I had an ex boyfriend that worked at AKIA.

He was my boyfriend at the time.

I my first apartment out of college.

We soole everything, the whole thing.

Yeah, so you know how they had the ass this department.

So I literally stole sofas out, the entertainment system, a king sized bed, a mattress everything he just said.

And because he was sucking the girl.

I found this out later at the register, and so she was bringing everything up as like a dollar a dollar for him, but no, she knew it was for me.

She knew I was his girlfriend.

She just you know, it is what it is.

And then we broke up, and then he tried to we we had a lot we had.

I had to get a restraining order.

Has anybody else ever had to get a restraint I just did recently?

Oh yeah, we got to talk about this.

Yeah, but yeah, So in court he tried to tell the judge, I want my furniture back.

I said, whatever you had the receipt for, we'll get we'll get it back for you.

No receipt you can have.

I have a brother steal some carpet out of home people before okay, see, don't y'all leave me out here like no, I did.

I did a whole big it's not bad.

Told them.

They just picked up the roller carpet and walked out with it.

We just walked out of home people with the roller carpet.

This is all right.

Don't don't nobody do this.

I know it's a government shut down.

I'm like, look at the diamonds and the loop.

Oh yeah, I ain't still it from the loop.

I was professional.

That was crazy.

So wait, Jordan, what's this story?

Oh okay, So remember I got a new laptop, so I had this man little shopping spree, went on a little shopping spree, got some ship, got a new computer, and he started acting crazy.

After that, hung out with him the whole day, you know, let him live his little fantasy like whatever, hugged him goodbye and what about our merry little way.

Then he started acting a little cool cool, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna hold it.

I'm gonna wait.

He was supposed to be getting me passes to something that was coming up, so I was like, let me just wait the little three weeks to tolerate him, and then I'll block him and I'll never have to deal with him again.

So he starts really just amping up the crazy, amping up the crazy.

The example, saying he was saying shit.

He was just saying weird shit, taking pictures of like the ground and being like, are you gonna come come meet me at home?

Deeper like just weirdly clearly drunk or whatever type shit.

So finally I was like, no, I go to it was the US Open.

Going to the US Open.

He was supposed to get me passes, didn't get me the passes.

I was like, fucking, I'll buy my own ticket.

Then he was like, so you don't want to see me, and I was like no, well no, what was the point of that.

So then he gets mad that I went anyway, hits me up NonStop, won't leave me alone, looking at my page from different profiles.

Whatever, that's weird.

I do an interview where I talk about I used to have a roster and I had a pipe cleaner on my roster, okay, And I guess that really triggered him because the next thing I know, he's calling me non stop, texting me non stop, telling me that I should get the pipe cleaner to send him ten thousand dollars to pay him back for all to pay.

Yeah, you don't get money, bag.

If you decided to buy somebody something.

You said yes every time AMX texted you and said is this you?

So?

I'm so sorry to say so anyway, I was like, yeah, I'm good.

Restraining order there was Wow, you be.

Getting a Ristinia order is no joke.

And I'm glad nobody else had to do that.

What are some things, like you said that you learn from, like being married and divorced, for moving on in the future.

Again being married, that keeping your individuality, that that emotional space.

I like having my own closet.

I like having to be able to you know, to date in the marriage, like really still date.

So when I say closets, like you have your own space.

I have my own space.

Go that side of the house and you don't get ready you need your own house next door.

No, no, no, It's like if we're all, if we're all on top of each other, then like excitement.

Sometimes I get boring, they get comfortable.

That's why New York is tough.

It's like it's like it's.

When we come together after like, oh I didn't know that's what you know, Like we look good, you know, you got yourself together, and now we meet in the family room, and it's like it feels it keeps feeling fresh, right, you know what I mean?

So I learned that and then and then after being single and all that, it's just I feel like when you have kids, you got to figure out how to put them first and swallow whatever that you might be feeling towards the other person because it's about the kids, Like, yeah, I like.

You, but but they don't got to know that.

Yeah, because they.

Just got to know how to like actually just be grown and mature.

And it's not always easy because sometimes we want to crash out.

People, you know, make us upset.

So just learning how to juggle, you know, the maturity of actually having to be responsible for another.

And having kids, it's definitely our next level in a relationship of trying to make sure that like, the kids come first, I mean, I like.

You, and then one other thing.

I will say this, this is just old school, and I didn't think of it until afterwards, but I had a that she always told me, she keep your own money, keep your own account, and all that kind of stuff, and it made sense.

I agree with that.

Keep your He ain't got no anything, right, he don't need to know anything.

I was reading this, didn't I tell you all this?

Oh my god, I was reading right about it.

I was reading this post today about this guy who was like really him and his wife and he was really struggling to make as meet, working two jobs, and she had I think it was like what forty six forty seven thousand dollars saved up and he didn't know about it.

But it felt like I was like, if he was struggling and doing all that, he ain't had to know you have forty seven thousand.

But did she help him?

Though, No, he didn't.

And he was like stressed out, struggling and she wasn't saying nothing about that money.

I don't like that.

I felt like that was that was too much.

But I agree with having your.

Own, absolutely having your own, but if he's struggling.

Because there's times that one person's up and they were married, yeah, yeah, they were married.

Like you could have you could help them.

Like, it's not like.

Could you with somebody that you make more than and be okay and have yeah okay.

Yeah, I mean it's just it is what it is.

It's not like you try but try to.

Be like sometimes man, there's nothing like being spoiled though, yeah, because I think what that teaches you what happened?

Something happened because I don't even know that was the trigger.

You know, well, we don't gotta talk about it, it's too soon.

I want to hear about it.

Because your reaction with the what does the money be the issue.

Money is the number one reason people it's adultery, but it's money.

It's the money.

It's the money is the issue is like, why you gotta ak funny with the money?

And if you have more.

Like you said, if you have, if you're a female a lot of times and you got more than them, that can get a man.

It's when a man thinks that you don't need it because you got.

It, I still need it.

I don't care that I got it.

Give me yours too, Yeah, and don't ask funny when I ask you for it.

I don't care what I got.

I want choice because you don't care that I got vagina.

You want mine, You want to moth you and everything.

Gosh, what are you gonna say?

Time?

Companionship, whether whether we have our own or not, a man should still be willing to like to take.

Some things that the world.

The way our society works is it's set up to benefit people with penises.

We have to struggle whether it's we're on our period, we're giving birth, we're doing whatever.

We have a different set of things.

We have to cut through every moment that we're live.

So I'm like, the least you could do is send me a little pair of shoes or a little thousand dollars if I'm down, or something for even existing in your world.

You pushed out this baby.

I have ten months.

Hello, body still like, come on, you swallow them babies do something.

And then some guys really can't handle when women make more than them right right so.

Now, And I think that's the main thing.

It's an ego thing too, because the dynamics of the relationships sometimes men like feel like not as masculine if they're like, you know, they don't even want to ask you.

And then sometimes they can take it for granted too, because then at first they don't want to ask you, but then they get used to this shit.

You know, they don't want to ask you, but then they also expecting you.

You got it?

Like, so, which one is it?

Because I think sometimes too, like we can try to be too like, okay, no worries, like that's me.

Yeah, I'm always like I don't want to figure it out.

Yeah, yeah, you don't want to make out?

Why should I have to keep figuring it?

A lout?

But you're strong because you have to be, not because you always want not.

Because you want to be right, I don't want to be strong.

Listen, I have to be I don't want to be you know.

I want to ask you all this because I saw another post where people are talking about does your past to find who you are today?

Because some people feel like I can make some assumptions about you based on things you've done in the past, but some people will say, my past doesn't define me.

So first I want you to think about this about yourself, right, how much does your past to find who you are today?

Do you think that people can make assumptions about you based off things that you've done before?

And then we'll think about how we view other people.

But Jordan, let's start with you, like, how much does your past to find who you are today?

I feel like it doesn't necessarily now, but I would say right after I did boy, there was an assumption, especially when dating men, there was an assumption that that meant like I was bustling wide open immediately when really was like one I will celibate at the time, like they didn't have anything to do with each other.

I don't think that so much affects me now, I would say, now, it's more.

When I was on a reality show that my summer house that I think is more projected onto me, and that was three four years ago.

Do you let people know, like, do they discover they playboy and then you tell them?

Or do you give somebody a heads up like my titties on the internet.

You know, I haven't had the conversation in a long time.

But I also think that's because I haven't been in a relationship.

Okay.

I think if I actually really liked someone and cared about someone that I didn't already know, yeah, I would tell.

Them mm hmm, yeah, because I wonder how does that work?

Because they'll google you.

They're there, and they're there, They're there.

It looks great, they look great, they have a milk chick in the shop.

Yeah, when you look back at that, that's not something that you regret at all.

Right, never, Okay, I just want to make sure as we're talking about it, because I don't want to talk about something you're uncomfortable with.

I love both of my shoes, and I wrote my own article in it, and I talked about being a woman who's comfortable in my body, and especially Black women, how we're not encouraged to be confident in ourselves and be sexual and even doing a podcast like lip Service, it would be like white women and they could do that all day and it's like, let's give her millions of dollars.

But like these hosts, Yeah, you want to talk about it disgusting.

Yeah, And it's really not even just about that.

It's just, you know, sometimes it's more women empowerment.

It's more being in a safe space and having conversations about things that people might consider taboo.

But we need to know, but we need to talk about it, and it's a healthy conversation.

So Leila, if you think about yourself in the past, you think that people could judge you based on your past, you have a problem with that.

I kind of don't care.

I mean I think people judge people all the time, and.

So they probably some maybe one or two people like that, Yeah, don't want to accept me for today.

They want to You're always gonna have no folks.

It's like, well, I remember when she was working at Macy's or whatever, Like I remember.

What she's Yeah, it's always always gonna be like, it's always going to be that group of type of people that's on that type ship that just still want to just be like she ain't so and socause she used to live over here whatever, but niggas so what Yeah that's part of the story.

Yeah, I love that story.

That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't care, Like, yeah, yes, that's part of my past and this my present and my future right too, So what you know what I'm saying.

Period.

I hope I don't get banned from Macy's after all this.

I don't want I did, Okay, But anyway, what about you, Connie, if people had to judge you from your past, what would you say?

Do you think that's a good measure of who you are today or not?

I'm kind of piggyback off what she said.

I don't really care.

I think that I'm I'm in my head a lot, so I'll be judging myself.

I feel like wherever I was in the past or things I've done in the past, I'm always looking to evolve and to be better or to progress.

So I think that I care more about like just the thought of where I was before where I'm at now, based before I came a fuck about what somebody else thinks about what I was doing five years ago, how I was years ago, and where I'm what I'm doing today, I don't really care.

You know, It's interesting to me, Connie Connie Diamond because I find that in your music you are so like confident and don't give a fuck, But then talking to you, it feels like you second guess yourself sometimes, if that makes sense?

Are you more like you know what I'm saying.

I would never think you would be nervous about anything.

Oh okay, I get that, you know what I mean, Like, like I'm a little nervous to do and even I saw you posting like when you did your photoshit you had the tell fire on my tel vire so I today, but I saw you saying like you were you know, you were a little nervous, like you don't give that.

But I love that that.

That's the most important thing about it because I feel like I feel like you have to lead with example.

You have to show you are confident in what you're in, what you're representing, like it's what it's your own brand, what it's yourself to right.

But I feel like we're all humans, so everybody, everyone has a moment where they're like a little self conscious about something or insecure about something.

I think that's super regular.

But I feel like where I'm at is like I feel like I have to be that way because I feel like as soon as you like show a little bit of weakness or show that, people find ways to try to tear you down.

See they figured they figure it.

Out and the old world like nah, Like I want you to know that I don't I don't give a fuck, and I'm here and I'm right here and I'm gonna talk my shit.

I'm gonna gonna do it a hundred times.

But I do like whatever whatever the case is, like I want to I always want to project confidence in what I do because I believe in myself and I believe in anything that I want to do, I work towards it.

I believe in myself.

So I just always want to project that.

But I'm not going to act like there are moments where I do feel insecure or I feel like there's certain things that I'm worried about, Like even right now, like I've been working on this freestyle, Like people know me for doing freestyles, like Kanye got even freestyle, Like I got signed off my freestyle sign and like I have.

That it's some amazing beats.

And yeah, like that's my thing, Like that used to be my thing.

Like I used to be on a train writing freestyles, and now it's like, because I'm where I'm at in the industry, now it's like you need to create songs, you need to create records.

The focus is creating records.

So I kind of lost that.

I don't know what it is that spark or that that energy that used to maybe just want to sit down and just write, just free write to a beat that I like.

And I've been working on this freestyle to Cardi B's pretty pretty ump petty, but I've been I'm self conscious about it, lady, because I'm like, damn, it's not hidden how I wanted to hit or it was not sounded like I needed to sound because I haven't been really like doing that.

I haven't been in that bad.

But I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go along and be like yeah, yo, I can't.

I'm not gonna scream about it.

I'm just gonna on it.

And when I actually put it out, it's gonna look like I did this ship with ease.

I did this ship in my sleep.

It's gonna look like that.

When I'm bitched you feel me, so I feel like you know, that's.

Just who do you listen to when it comes to that?

Like do you like free?

So?

Yeah?

Like no, like this in particular, like are you you know, like maybe a man is it remy?

Are you like listen to this but you think?

Or do you just not tell nobody and work on it alone?

Right now?

I've been I like, I love my I let my man here, like a couple of bars I had and my best friend who's like my number one like supporter, Like, I was like, how's this soundings so far?

She was like it sounds good.

You're in your head, like get out your head, you know, get out your head.

I think that's as artists we always were own reds credit.

We felt like it's good, They're like, na, this shit as far Like nah, but it's really about a feeling.

And now when I'm in the studio and I'm working with people, I always tell him like I like it, but I don't feel it.

And I need to add it's something I feel if I don't know how to describe it.

But if when I feel it, I know, all right, this is done, this is it.

I don't and you know what that feeling is that's it, and I will not put something out.

I don't feel it.

I don't give a fucks a hundred people feel it.

I don't feel like it's not happening.

So yeah, okay, listen and you know what works for you.

But you know what I will say, sometimes people don't know.

I've heard so many stories about artists who their biggest record has that ever happened to you?

Was a song that maybe you weren't in love with.

But other people was like, yeah, that happened to me.

I think about Race Sweet Lady.

Oh yeah, yeah.

I feel like so many artists say that, Like, you know, like Big Sean the song he had with Chris Brown, he hated it and then they put it out, you know what I mean?

Like the certain sounds a lot he said.

That was a lot of artists, like a lot of big artists today, they have that story.

Yeah, what about you, Lee?

Was there ever a song that you didn't really love but people were like this is amazing?

Are you?

Yeah?

Yeah, but we didn't put it out.

I did, Okay, Yeah.

It was one people like, but I probably should have because you still can.

Yeah.

I feel like your music is so timeless.

Thank you, because it's like soulful, it's beauty, you know what I'm saying, it could just like transcend.

Yeah, to be twenty years in and be like this ship still could come out right now.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's like she said, it's a pheel.

I'm a soul artist at heart, so like it literally comes from the soul.

For me, it has to and I gotta feel it like that.

And so I think that's what what makes soul music special, is it it is timeless, It is transcends, you know, decades.

If you put on a Marvin Gaye album right now, it's still going to.

Feel I need what's going on right now like I am.

And so that's what makes it.

That's soul music though, because it came from that place that you know, you can't fake that and you can't.

That is not contrived and that that's that's different.

Even thinking about like your first big song, that's a classic, you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, Like all.

Right now, Giji, I didn't even ask you if somebody has to judge who you were before and who you are now.

My past, because we know my past is very checkered.

I just feel like I have no regrets.

I've lived a life that if I was to walk out of here and it was the end for me, I would be happy with how what I've done.

I feel like when people judge's projection, I feel like people see something in you that they wish they saw in themselves, and then they try to turn that against you and make it bad.

I also feel that what I eat don't make you shit, so I don't care if you like it.

I loved it, I digested it, and I'm shitting it out.

And guess what You're not like.

You get what I'm saying.

I've always been that type of person.

I also have done a lot of things that people will consider taboo right within my career and choices that I've made in life, and just you know, all of the things.

But again, life is to be lived and it's for you.

I'm only in competition with who I was yesterday, so that's the only person I gotta worry about.

I gotta worry about coffee yesterday, not coffee today.

And in the future.

We evolved, like you said, we grow, we evolve, and we move on.

And I think that I might have done some things.

I know I've done some things in the past that most people could never or would never see themselves doing.

But my reasons is my reasons.

The method to my badness has always been I've been in the state of survival.

So I didn't.

Choose to become an exotic entertainer because I wanted to be naked for strangers.

I had to take care of a child, I was homeless.

I had my reasons for doing what I did, And if people want to judge me for that, then okay, judge your mama agree.

But what I love is like Magic City docu series, which by the way, Gji narrated and produced.

Okay, and listen, well we just got nominated for a Critical Ue Award.

I'm really but I love the fact that your story has come full circle.

Yeah, you know, from people judging you to now you being able to twenty years later.

Yeah, twenty years later.

Yeah, So that's such a big deal.

And I think a lot of what we did in the past makes us who we are today, absolutely and not to be judged by it, but to also know this is part of like the fabric of my story, you know what I'm saying.

Can I do get the people in the comments and online or whatever that want to say that that's my whole life, Like, oh, all you want to talk about is how you was a stripper.

It was a big chunk of my life, Like I can'tnot say that that's what I used to do.

Like you used to work in Macie you said, used to work in Macy's.

Like you know what I'm saying, Like that was a part of your story.

A big chunk of my life was adult entertainment.

So it's like, I am not the girl who's trying to sweep that under drug.

You know, that was a level of life for me that allowed me to assent to where I am now and I will never be ashamed of it.

Do you feel like some type of vindication like now, yes, absolutely with the documentary.

Hell because the same the same way that I was put down because of how I chose to hustle and make my money is what has me on a higher level than those same people to that, you know what I'm saying, Like, how many other people have I'm sorry, have helped produce a documentary on stars that's about their true life story.

Exactly with Drake And with Drake.

Drake, you know what I'm saying like I am in sentences and I am in paragraphs, and I'm in Harper's Bizarre Online because of Magic City.

A lot of people can't say that, So like, judge me for that if you want to.

But I'm proud of where I'm at and I would.

Never try to like hide it or or you know, take it back, like I don't regret it at all, and I have fun doing it and mad a whole lot of Monela.

What was your first record deal?

Like?

Was it one of rough Nation Warner Brothers?

It was?

It was, It wasn't a good deal, but I was happy to be signed.

Everybody's story.

I was just happy to be signed because I have been up until that point working so hard, just trying to quote unquote get discovered.

And so when I got my first deal, yeah it was.

It was exciting.

At least I thought it was.

I thought I was like, oh, nigga, flow up, but let's go.

Yeah.

I remember being happy and then reality said how this game really goes?

But sometimes you get to do everybody think you rich, but yeah I was still broke.

That's crazy.

Ain't that crazy?

Like to just Kindie's like mm hmm.

They're gonna kick my ass, like, honey, listen please.

You know, but and like you said, it's different nowadays though, I feel like also, I feel like anytime my artist signs a deal, they still got to move like the independent.

Oh yeah.

The first thing I learned when I signed, I was like, it ain't like everything that I was doing before I signed, Like, now there's like people that's going to do it for you.

It's like, oh no, now you really need to do it.

Yeah, that's when just the name on it and get you a couple of dollars, put you on a couple of blocks, especially now, put your music in a couple of rooms.

But you still look you a couple of cars to locations.

But that's it.

It's like, oh ship, Oh yes, I still got to pick.

The real work started when you get signed.

That's true.

But you know, listen, I gotta say, like for both of you, you know, just congratulations on both of you have new projects out right now, so I want to make sure that everybody, you.

Know, congratulations.

Yeah, and I appreciate the conversation.

See this wasn't too crazy, yeah, next time though.

It was, it was it was real peace.

I loved it.

There tell all of y'all.

Man, this is nice.

I've never done nothing like this.

Yeah, it was cool.

Now we're just greezing you up.

Now next time it's going to okay.

Time.

Yeah, everything like and where you are today?

You know, I got to come out, like where can people find like these tour dates and everything so they can come and see you in person?

Because it's not a game.

Oh no, I was just well, golly, I was just in Virginia two nights ago.

But I'm going to be in Detroit.

That's not a second home.

So we'll come there, come and see me there, and I think Cleveland.

It's only a couple of shows left and then I'm gonna chill for the holidays and pick back up in January and I go overseas to Europe, but then I'll be back over here.

Do you love being on tour or do you or is it just just curious, like I do.

I guilty, I do guilty pleasure, Yeah.

I do, But I hate being away from my family.

So it's just trying to find that balance.

When I was younger, you know, before the kids, it was very fun because I didn't feel nothing.

It was I didn't you.

Know, I wasn't responsible.

Yeah, I wasn't responsible for anything.

But now it's really it feels more like work at times, but I enjoy it, but it's it's definitely working it because.

What you wanted is how we have to look at it sometimes like this is what you asked for it.

Yeah, do do your kids know you're famous?

They don't care about it, But I'm saying, like when they go to school, they yeah, they.

Look at stuff because they know.

I mean again, they got the internet now.

But my I'm such a reflection of like my environment and my family and in terms of like nobody cares, like that's probably why I'm so grounded, because like grow you back in here and wash some dishes, Like my mom still talks to me like that, Like so no one literally cares.

I'm just I'm just mom.

Like, but there's some things they see you doing and they're like, that's so dope.

My mom did this on the game.

My daughter thinks she'd be like, mom, that's cringe.

Don't do that.

She's that generation's like, Mommy, don't do that, that's cran.

But when I come to my shows and they.

See, oh, it's okay.

But then after after that.

Gets yeah, he question.

Yeah, of course, So you've been doing music for how long you would say I was, it's twenty plus years, Okay, yeah, I have a question.

So, like I've been doing music for a long time as well, but I won't even time for like probably three years now, and I find it really hard for me to transition during the holidays and you know, howdy, you know, when the industry shuts down, it's like there's no work.

It's just you with your family, which is great, but I don't have kids, so you know, I'm just like, and this is the first time I'm living on my own, like since I've been on so like i've been I want to, like my goal right now, I want to complete three It sounds hard, but I want to do three short projects by January, like a three song project, a five song project of something small by January, right from now January.

But I don't know why I feel like I get like I feel like because the industry shuts now, I feel like, all right, it's over, it's done, although it's not, but it just feels like because nothing's going on, Like obviously you're touring right now for most artists like bigger artists around this time, this is the touring season for them, right, But for artists that are not in that in that stage, you're not in that area yet.

Like what how were you able to stay like grounded?

What were you doing to like have to.

Go in the hardest?

You go in, go in the studio, lock in, go hot, like you go in a hibernation.

You know, that's when you reset.

This is your time to recruit, reset, rest you good.

You're not good for nothing if you're not taking care of that.

You gotta rest.

So when you come back at the top of the you hitting them hard.

That's what I'm like, you gotta rest, That's what see what I want to do.

Yeah, going it feels so dark.

It feels like everything is shut down.

You don't speak to nobody at the label, you know, speaking on A and R, you don't speak to nobody, and everybody's alright, it's.

Like going to going to it right Christmas?

Right, girl, I gotta think.

I gotta think that's the best time.

That's a great time to give back.

Yeah, okay, toy drives, Yeah, it.

Might be some some bay time.

I want to use it to work.

Yeah.

Yeah, are you an Earth sign?

I'm a tourist.

Yeah, I thought, so you.

Give I don't stop wait and I would ask do you get bored or something.

Like, no, I get bored.

I just get.

I get, I get.

I feel like depressed.

I feel like what I do?

I get doing something?

Yeah, I feel like, what's what?

What's happening?

Why?

Why did closed?

Why shut down?

What do you mean?

So January, like while we're not working, while we're not working every single day right now?

Like no, but you know you can work though, Like that's the that's the thing, Like you don't get caught up.

You can work, you can right right, just finish your projects.

That's I set that goal for myself up.

Yeah.

And it's also a good time when everybody is not having to like tour and work, it's a good time to catch other people to do stuff.

All those people you were like we home, everybody at home.

Everybody was a lot of people that want to get out of the house.

Yeah, I'm like everybody was working, and you know.

Yeah, it seemed like you got more done.

Have that mindset I need to do, don't worry.

Well, let me know I got you.

We're getting some stuff to do now.

Yeah, my kids need another aunty.

I'm gonna get my belt right well.

To be honest, that's out right now.

So it's Underdog season two.

Thank you both for joining us.

This is a great time.

I feel like we're going to get a lot accomplished.

Holidays is coming.

Let's get and listen, y'all.

Don't steal now, girls stealing bad.

Thank you all for having me.

I appreciate you.

Being such a calm service, but in a great way.

Give you two turns.

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