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Chapter 1 | Behind the Crown
Episode Transcript
This is quite a wall here.
Speaker 2Oh, these are some great photos.
Speaker 3That's Jimmy Carter enough me.
Speaker 4Uh huh, yes, me and Lorena Lynn.
How did this come about?
Speaker 3She was given a concert in Burninghalla.
Uh huh, carry me backstage, leader.
Speaker 1Look at this suit that you have on.
Speaker 2Maybe you've never heard of Bill Baxley, but here in Alabama he's a big deal.
Speaker 4That Johnny Cash.
Oh wow.
Speaker 2Baxley is eighty two, slightly balding, with silver hair and eyebrows.
In the pictures he's showing me on the wall of his office, I see him looking younger, his hair is dark, and he's standing with famous musicians and politicians.
Speaker 3That's my daddy swearing me in for my first term.
Speaker 5Wow.
Speaker 2Baxley was elected as Alabama's attorney General when he was just twenty eight years old.
He later served as lieutenant governor, and he's still practicing law today.
During his career, Baxley prosecuted hundreds of cases and sent three people to Alabama's death row.
Speaker 3There are some crimes that are so wrong and so horrible that they only deserve one punishment.
Speaker 2He's a lifelong defender of the death penalty, a true believer, Like when the US Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty in the nineteen seventies, Baxley worked hard to bring executions back to Alabama.
He's that kind of true believer, so it's not surprising that Baxley was skeptical when his son, who's also an attorney, asked his dad to look over a case because he believed an innocent man was on death row.
Speaker 3Over the course of my long career, I've had dozens and dozens of instances where these I'll call them do gooders, but they're good people.
They take up there's causes of people that have been sentenced to death, and they get interested in trying to help them, and they all think they're always innocent.
Speaker 2Baxley didn't even glance at the case file until weeks later.
On an icy winter morning, it was too slippery to walk down the driveway and grab the newspaper, so he picked up the file that his son sent him and began reading about a black man named to Forrest Johnson, who was sentenced to death for killing a Shaff's deputy.
Speaker 3I mean, mid morning, I couldn't believe what I was reading.
I wouldn't have believed that something like this could have happened.
Speaker 2What was so unbelievable about it?
Speaker 3Everything?
Everything.
I don't know how the guy got indicted, how they got I didn't see how the jury convicted him.
I would have never believed that that could have happened in Alabama.
Quest question in my mind.
This guy was not guilty of this crime, and I couldn't comprehend how this could happen.
Speaker 2There's only one other case where Basley thought the defendants were innocent, and that case is almost one hundred years old.
So what is it about this case to Forrest's case that convinced Backsley that Alabama is trying to execute an innocent man.
Speaker 3It's a unique absurdity that I've never seen before.
It's too late to give him back all those years he's been on death road, but it's not too late to correct it today and get him out for the future.
It's wrong, it's gone this long, but it's still not too late to correct.
Speaker 2My name is Beth Shelburne.
Like Bill Baxley, I was born in raised in Alabama.
I grew up about a mile away from where the crime at the center of this story took place.
I'm a journalist and writer and for the last three years, I've been investigating the case that rocked Bill Baxley's world.
The story begins on a hot July night in nineteen ninety five.
It unfolds in two places at once, the Crown Sterling Sweet's Hotel and a nightclub that's almost four miles away called Tea's Place.
By the end of the night, one man will be shot dead and two others will encounter someone who will put them at the center of the murder investigation to Forrest Johnson is still on death row and he's running out of time.
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Speaker 1To I'm Beth Shelburne.
Speaker 2This is ear witness, Chapter one Behind the Crown.
Speaker 8Yes, ma'am, this is very calling from Crowns Drilling Sweet Hotel in Birmingham, Alabama.
I'm calling because I've had several guests report what appears on the windows.
There have been two gunshots and people running in the parking lot.
Speaker 2It's twelve fifty five am on July nineteenth, nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 8It's twenty three plain, that is correct.
I have security on the premisist, which is typically County Police, but I'm calling you because I want to make sure that the Birmingham Police arrive.
Please, all right, look at the one out.
Thank you very much, all right.
Speaker 2The Crown Sterling Suites Hotel was a nine story building in Birmingham.
Today the hotel is an embassy suites.
Inside the main entrance of the hotel, there's a pale tiled walkway that leads through the lobby.
Speaker 1The front desk.
Speaker 2Is to the left, but keep walking past it and you enter a huge atrium, an open space surrounded by windows with an indoor garden of leafy green plants and trees.
The tiled walkway leads to a coy pond with a fountain at the center.
It's lush and humid inside, but despite all the windows, the field is dim and moody.
Keep walking past the cooy pond and there's a short hallway that leads to the hotel's back parking lot.
It was here outside the double doors of the Crown Sterling Suite's Hotel where a deputy sheriff was killed.
No one saw the murder, but a few people heard gunshots.
Speaker 9I remember hearing popping noises from the distance.
Speaker 2Barry Rushikov was working at the front desk when he made that nine to one to one call.
Speaker 9When I heard it, I believe that's when I tried to call Officer Hardy on the radio with no response.
Speaker 2Officer William Hardy, who went by Bill, had been a deputy with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for twenty three years.
He was also a security guard at the hotel, where he worked the night shift to make extra money.
Hardy was five foot ten, had a thin mustache, and wore his hair in a Jerry curl.
He was known to be easy going and friendly.
When Deputy Hardy wasn't making hotel security rounds, Barry usually saw him wearing his brown and tan deputy uniform, sitting at one of the tables in the hotel's atrium, smoking more brand menthol cigarettes and drinking coffee.
Speaker 4You know, when I.
Speaker 9Worked there, and when I was working nights, it was me, you know, Officer Hardy or whatever officer on duty, and or we would sometime have a houseman who is cleaning floors or something.
Speaker 4But very minimal group, and I never felt unsafe.
Speaker 2Barry wasn't the only person to hear the popping noises.
A few guests at the hotel also heard gunshots, including Marshal Kelly Cummings, a guest in a fourth floor room directly above the hotel's back exit.
Speaker 10I can remember like it was yesterday, ma as far as the details.
Speaker 2As I worked on this project, I started referring to Cummings as the Keebler cookie guy, because in nineteen ninety five he worked for Keebler as a truck driver.
Speaker 10When I was with Keebler driving one of the step vans delivering cookies and crackers and stuff, and.
Speaker 2We had a Cummings was staying at the Crown Sterling for a company training.
After the workday was over, he drank a few beers at the hotel bar with some coworkers, and then he and the other Keepler employee he was rooming with turned in between ten and eleven PM.
But Cummings was not asleep for long.
Speaker 10But he just I woke up and it was I kept hearing somebody talk kind of talk.
Speaker 2So you heard some voices and it sounded like they were arguing or.
Speaker 10Not really bad.
But they were.
Speaker 11Having a conversation.
Speaker 1Yeah it was male voices.
Speaker 10Yeah, well they quit arguing and then I didn't hear anything.
So I laid back down and it probably wasn't seconds, thirty seconds, forty five.
Speaker 4I'm out.
Speaker 10I didn't count boom, small caliber gun.
He won a big caliber and all of a sudden, the few sects are a boom.
About the second time I say it, Ben, that was.
Speaker 2A gun, he remembers, turning to the coworker he was sharing a room with.
Speaker 10I said, you hear that?
He says, yeah.
So I stood up and opened the blind to get my eyes fixed because it was dark.
Then it had the lights in the.
Speaker 2Last one directly beneath his window, Cummings sees a four door car.
It's dark copper or light brown with the vinyl top, parked facing the hotel's back double doors.
He sees a tall person get into the driver's side of the car, close the door, and slowly pull away with the headlights off.
Speaker 10And so I called down to the front desk.
I said, hey, there's been shots fired.
Speaker 8I heard.
Speaker 10Did you hear that?
Speaker 9I believe I got a phone call from someone in the room saying they heard.
Speaker 2Gunshots, So Barry makes that initial nine to one one call, hangs up and decides to investigate it.
Speaker 9Jumped over the counter to walk back, and I was walked back.
Speaker 4I saw Offsta Hardy's radio.
Speaker 2Barry sees Deputy Hardy's radio on a table in the hotel's atrium, and right next to it his cigarette still burning in an ash tray.
Meanwhile, back on the fourth floor, Marshall Kelly Cummings hangs up the phone with Barry and goes back to the window.
Speaker 10And I kept looking, and I kept looking.
Finally my eyes got where I could see, and I looked down.
I could see him laying on the ground.
I went, oh, no, this ain't good.
Speaker 2Cummings spots a body on the ground and realizes someone has been badly hurt.
It's right around this time Barry makes the same tearable discovery.
Speaker 9There's a hallway that went to the door that went back out to the back parking lot.
As I turned the corner to go down that hallway and I looked out the door in the distance, I saw Offsta Hardy.
Speaker 4On the ground.
That's when I ran back to the front.
Speaker 9Desk made an emergency phone call to the police.
Speaker 12Just man the Supirital crowds to phys.
Speaker 8Colia and I have a pit.
What appears to be a.
Speaker 12Jumped the county police officer shot.
Speaker 8In the back of our building.
Speaker 12She ends not moving.
People in a car drove away and he's lying on the on the pavement.
I'm a little fraid to go up.
Yes, he is a Birmingham Police out Jefferson County.
Speaker 8He is a hired night time security for us.
Speaker 12Hi, do you know if you can sign anything?
Speaker 8Like if it's breeze?
I K and how much blood?
Speaker 12I'm trying, man, my, my, my promise.
Speaker 8I don't know if the people are still out there.
Speaker 12Okay, we we should be that Charlotte you I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 8Okay, thank you.
Speaker 12Got Jess Ketty deputy has been shot on the back entrance of the hotel Crown Show the suite and is.
Speaker 5One of us and we are they have got one down who has been shot.
Speaker 12And they said it looks gad, it looks too bad.
Three three two Do we have any information?
Do we have anything on a suspect to know anything?
Speaker 2After he makes the second nine to one one call, Barry walks down the hallway to the back parking lot.
Speaker 9And then I went back out the office.
Already he was not a good condition.
He did have a wound to his face.
He was making a gurgling, gasping noise.
You know, he was not conscious.
I believe I took my jacket off, my uniform jacket off, to try to cover him, or put under his head, or try to comfort him.
But fortunately officers arrived so quickly, and I was removed from that area immediately.
Speaker 2More than a dozen officers from four different agencies arrive at the hotel.
One of them is Detective Tony Richardson, who says he'd known Deputy Hardy since he first started working for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 5Being black and bo being black, naturally I noticed him.
I was told more than once to get a haircut.
That you know, to be a deputy shaff you got to have your haircut.
So the reason I mentioned that is because from the first day that I ever saw him, his hair was out.
Speaker 1To hear big afro, big afro.
Speaker 11And he would put on his hat.
Speaker 5He wore that hat religiously.
Everybody else as the Sheriff's office hated those hats.
They didn't want to wear him, you know, But he always wore his hat.
Speaker 2Deputy Hardy often wore his traditional broad brimmed tan smoky the bear style sheriff's hat.
It was later entered as evidence from the crime scene with a bullet hole through the brim.
Speaker 5And he would have it on his head and all that hair would be on the side would be out here, and I'm like, who is this guy?
How can he get away with that?
And not only that, he is in the sheriff's office.
How can he get away with that?
So I was in treat by him, fascinated by him, but I was scared of him.
I was scared to meet him because I thought, of my mind, this guy's got to be crazy, you know who to do that and get away with it.
Speaker 13He's got to be greaty.
Speaker 11I would scatter of him.
Speaker 5But anyway, when I first met him, I met him and talked to him.
He started to feel better about well.
I started to feel better about him.
Speaker 4We were never.
Speaker 5Just busom buddies real close, but we were close and we knew each other.
Speaker 2Tony Richardson and Bill Hardy had been colleagues at the Jefferson County Sheriff's office for seventeen years.
Richardson remembers the last time he saw Hardy alive.
Speaker 5The last day I saw Bill, my brother and I.
My brother would put a sheriff's office offso and we were standing there smoking and Bill drove out the alley and he was pulling up twenty second and he stopped in the road and he started to talk to us, and he said, hey, guys, hang out doing loan with some money.
It's just you know, stuff like that.
And we laughed and talked for a minute.
And that was the last time I saw him.
And the next time I heard Bill's name was about two o'clock in the morning when I got the call saying that he had been shot.
At that time, I was what was considered a Crimes against Persons detective, which meant that I worked homicides.
The lieutenant felt like because it involved a deputy sheriff, and you know that we needed all the help that we could get.
So I got called out.
Speaker 2Did you go to the actual scene?
Speaker 4Yeah?
Speaker 1What did you encounter when you got there?
Speaker 5Well, by the time I got there, Bill's body was gone.
Speaker 2Paramedics had already lifted Bill Hardy into an ambulance and rushed him to the emergency room of Birmingham's largest hospital.
He is gravely injured with two gunshot wounds to.
Speaker 1His head and jaw.
Speaker 2A medical examiner notes a bullet wound to Hardy's finger likely means he raised his hand in a defensive posture when he was shot.
Police go to his house to tell his wife, Patricia Diane Hardy, and bring her to the hospital.
Jim Woodward, the chief deputy in Jefferson County, also rushes over when he hears that Hardy was shot.
Speaker 1What do you remember about the incident?
Speaker 14I got the call that Hardy had been shot, and they told me said looked very serious.
So I got in my car and went down to the hospital.
I stood there while they were operating on him, and then I just heard one say that's it.
It's over.
We can't do anymore.
Speaker 4It's over.
Speaker 14We can't save him.
He's gone.
Speaker 2What does that feel like when you are a career law enforcement officer in.
Speaker 14Well, it's kind of devastating to you.
You know, you get to know these guys and I knew Hardy.
Well, that's a very devastating thing that happen to you.
Speaker 2Deputy Bill Hardy is pronounced dead seven hours after he was shot.
The cause of death is two gunshot wounds fired at close range.
I wanted to know more about Deputy Hardy, so I wrote to several family members inviting them to talk.
They never responded, and I can only imagine his murder must be one of the hardest things they've ever experienced.
But I have learned a few things about Deputy Hardy.
He was married to Patricia Diane Hardy.
He had two children and four adult step children.
Hardy started working as a deputy in nineteen seventy two.
His duties included delivering subpoenas and directing traffic outside the courthouse.
Speaker 5You know.
Speaker 3It was rough.
It was rough.
It's rough right now.
Speaker 5It's a rough right This many well working homicide I worked at bunch, but none of them affected me like the killing of a deputy Shaff.
You know, you have a bond with the guys you work with in the uniform.
Whether you know 'em or not, you have a bond.
So when I was a deputy Share working another deputy Share it's murdered, do you think that was emotional?
Yes?
Speaker 13It was mm very and had it been my decision the day we caught the people that did it.
Let's let's put 'em on death throat.
Speaker 2Lead Detective Tony Richardson and his team of investigators have no eyewitnesses to the shooting, and there's no known motive.
A fellow officer has just been shot, and they have almost no evidence to go on.
At the exact time that Deputy Bill Hardy was shot to Forrest Johnson and his friend Ardregis Ford were four miles away from the crime scene at a downtown Birmingham nightclub called Tea's Place, but they would soon become the focus of Tony Richardson's investigation.
Just a few hours before Deputy Hardy is shot ar dragas Ford gets into the passenger side of his nineteen seventy one black Monte Carlo.
It's an old car and the driver's side door doesn't open, so he slides over into the driver's seat, starts the ignition, and heads out to pick up his friend to Forrest Johnson to go to a club called Teas Place.
I wasn't able to interview to Forest or Ardregas for this podcast.
The Alabama Department of Corrections doesn't allow people on death road to do interviews with reporters like me.
So I was unable to talk to Forrest directly.
And ar Dragas died in twenty twenty one, I didn't get a chance to interview him before then.
I was able to speak to Ardregas's mother, Joyce Ford.
Speaker 15That particular night said they was going to teas and see he would go to Tease every Tuesday and he have his particular same parking space and everything because he would give them good tips.
Speaker 2Ardregas was willing to pay for a good parking space because he was in a wheelchair.
When Ardregas was a teenager, a group of men began shooting outside an apartment building he was visiting.
He was shot trying to shield his cousin and her baby from gunfire.
Speaker 15My son when he got shot when he was fifteen, I had just gotten off from work.
I was tied in the phone, rang Rang Rang.
I didn't answer the phone, you know, and I finally answered it and they stated that he had gotten shot.
I need to rush to the murgency room.
That was like a dream, you know.
You hear about things happening to other people, but when it hit home, you know, and then he got spinal cord injury.
He got shot in the back.
Yeah, and he was paralyzed realize from chest down T four they called it.
So that was like a nightmare.
Speaker 2In his early twenties, ar Dragus outfitted his Monte Carlo with the makeshift system so he could throw his wheelchair in the back and drive the car using just his upper body.
Speaker 15He would cut a broom you know, the broomsticks.
He would put have one to the brakes, one to the salator, and he would tape it to the car.
He would tape it to it.
Speaker 6So he like retro fitted his Yeah.
Speaker 5He did.
Did.
Speaker 15He didn't buy the regular equipment that he should have used.
Speaker 2Ar Dragas and to Forest actually came up with this idea together.
Here's to Forrest's cousin, Antonio.
Speaker 16Green Draga's was.
I guess that was a prime thing.
He didn't want that handicap accessible pedals and stuff in his car.
But as far as coming up with this great, this genius idea where they're gonna well some metal rods to the break and accelerator pedal so he could use his hands and dry, well, he get to thinking about this thing and metal rods well, did from the brake pedal or the accelerator.
That's not too good of an idea in case you get in the accident.
He hate to see Draga's impaled through the seat right here.
So he goes and buys two brooms out of the little dollar store wherever, And no measurements, no, just nothing precise about it.
He just gets the broom and breaks them and duct tape the sticks, one to the accelerated pedal and one to the brake pedal so Dragus could drive his car.
Speaker 6Could he get around?
Well, I mean did he drive real?
Speaker 15Well?
Speaker 2It's been a while since to Forest and Ardregas have hung out because to Forest had recently gotten out of prison.
He was arrested for driving with a suspended license, and as officers padded him down at the city jail, he tossed something into a nearby trash can.
Officers reached into the can and found a plastic bag of cocaine.
To Forest ended up pleading guilty to drug possession.
To Forest served about a year in prison, and by the night of Hardy's murder, he'd been out about three months.
To Forest puts on jean shorts and a Tommy Hill figure blue and white shirt, then gets into the passenger side of Ardregas's car and they head downtown.
They pull up and park outside Tea's Place, but it's too early to go inside, so they hang out in the parking lot flirting with some girls who work at the car dealership across the street.
To Forrest buys a hot dog from a cart on the sidewalk.
Regulars start trickling into the club, drinking, dancing and catching up inside.
There's something music low lighting.
It's Tasty Tuesday at Teas Place, which means women get in free.
Speaker 7I used to go to Teas Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
Speaker 2Barbetta Hunt was one of the regulars who was there that night.
Speaker 1What was your nickname back then?
Speaker 11Mama Cat.
Speaker 2That's like in the world of nicknames, that's the best n.
Speaker 7My mother, it's the purpose and my father, Fred Perkins.
They gave me that name when I was born.
But that's Monday.
My name is Mama Cat.
Speaker 2When she was in her early twenties, Mama Cat spent a lot of nights hanging out at Teas Place.
Speaker 7When you walk into the door, that's my spot right there.
It's on the right hand side.
Every time I got that was my spot.
I don't move from this spot.
I don't walk to the bag.
I don't walk there.
I say right there.
Me and my friend Velinici Aqui Sanders, we were together.
Speaker 17We got there before eleven because the club was always free on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday before eleven for women.
Speaker 2This is Belanique Sanders nicknamed Queisi.
Speaker 17Anything after eleven it was five dollars and me and Barbetta was very cheap, so we tried to make sure we got there in free because the little money we had said we wanted to buy something to eat, and I love to get a chicken plate from there, a chicken breast with some French fries.
Speaker 1Oh my god, did you know Trafforst Johnson?
Speaker 11Yes?
Speaker 15I did.
Speaker 17I knew him from hanging out in the neighborhood in Nsley and I, oh my god, I had a crush on him.
Speaker 11He was the finest.
Yeah.
Speaker 2What do you remember about what he looked like?
Speaker 17He was short, hmm, a nice body, Oh my god.
Anyway, he was a ladies man.
I will say that, sweet, always kind.
He was just a nice gentleman like his mama had raised him really well.
Speaker 2Did you guys ever go out or did he know that you had a crush on him?
Speaker 17He knew I had a crush on him, but we never went out.
No, we would just see each other.
I smiled, be like, Oh that he is, I'm gonna get him.
Speaker 11Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2To Forest mostly grew up in Birmingham's Pratt City neighborhood, or Pratt for short.
Speaker 16We grew up together, I mean closer than just cousins.
We were like brothers because we were all pretty much raised right in the same little local community.
Speaker 2While to Forest was growing up, most of his extended family also lived in or near Pratt, including his cousin Antonio Green.
Speaker 16And Uh, since we were todd I mean babies, we were kind of together, took out in this thing, and he was a couple of years younger than I am, so he always kind of held on to my shirt tail and you know, so I've been closely connected with him for our entire life.
Speaker 4Pretty much.
Speaker 2To Forest's mom, Donna, was seventeen when she had him, and when to Forest was young, she was more like a sister to him than a mother.
Donna leaned on her parents and siblings to help take care of to Forest, and as to Forrest got older, she leaned on him to help take care of his little brother.
Speaker 16He started at a very young age, much too young to really be faced with the type of responsibility that he took on.
He was at an age where he was still a kid.
I'm talking about eleven twelve, you know, just in their teen years, and had to take on the responsibility of taking care of his little brother.
You know, he had a little brother that he got ready for school and his clothes he did.
You know, He's always been that caring little dude, you know, and he did that.
So he had to take on some things during that time.
You know, his mom and dad was dead, but his dad was a very very heavy drinker.
Speaker 2To Forest's father, Ronald, was an alcoholic and would get violent when he drank, which was every day.
This made home life extremely volatile for to Forrest, his younger brother, little ron and especially his mother, Donna.
She eventually left Ronald when to Forest was a teenager and moved in with another man who had an apartment in the Tuxedo Projects in Birmingham's Insley community, also known as the Brickyard.
Speaker 4Oh.
Speaker 11It was called the Brickyard.
Speaker 2Velinique aka Queasi, the one who had a crush on to Forest, also grew up there.
Speaker 11It was rough.
I did you know My mom had three girls.
Speaker 17My had three and we lived in a five bedroom project with our grandparents, So it was just a bunch of girls in the house.
But I mean, you know, I had just seen people get killed right in front of me.
My cousin got shot in the stummy.
You know, a lot of.
Speaker 11It was rough.
Speaker 17You had family's daddy couldn't afford to eat.
You know, kids come to school, you know, wearing the same clothes over and over.
Speaker 11It was rough.
It was rough growing up in the projects.
Speaker 2To Forest and his little brother moved there when to Forest was sixteen.
When he was seventeen, to Forrest was shot and a drive by shooting and spent three months in the hospital.
To Forest's mom told me the bullet is still lodged in his chest.
During this period, seven of to Forest's friends would be shot and killed.
No one was ever prosecuted for any of these crimes, and it was around this time that.
Speaker 1To Forest dropped out of school.
Speaker 2Several family members tell me that at twenty two, to Forest was somewhat adrift.
He spent his time working on old cars and playing video games.
He was having a good time dating different women.
He had five children who he loved, but he was also unsettled.
He hadn't yet figured out his purpose, and he didn't know he was running out of time.
As to Forrest and Ardregas wait outside of Teas, Ardregas's beeper goes off a few times.
The beeps are from a girl he met a few nights before, but he ignores her, hoping to meet someone else inside.
Tees to Forrest walks toward the club's entrance behind Ardregas and his wheelchair.
They're focused on meeting girls and having a good time.
They don't know that this night will change their lives, and the people they run into don't know they're about to become alibi witnesses.
Speaker 18There was a love before eleven, and we were standing outside and they came up as far as its pushing to Draga's.
Speaker 2One of the first people they run into is Kenyara Pickett, who was standing near the entrance.
Speaker 18I remember exactly where I was standing, right in front of the club when he walked up, because I thought I was shouting night out, you know, back in the days.
Speaker 11It was TSC wearing big clothes back then, and.
Speaker 18I had on some black, some black big jeans but shorts, and I had on some black and white rebox and then I think I had on the button down shut my sister she had just got out of the hospital.
She had a blood clot and I when she got out to the hospital, we just went down and you know, to celebrate that.
Speaker 2She came home to Forrest and Ardregas make their way past Kenara and go into Tea's.
Mama Cat and Belanik are already inside, perched at their table right by the front door.
Speaker 7Tavarras Johnson, I remember he was pushing a Dreka's four in the wheelchair.
Speaker 11They came together.
Speaker 17I had saw Toofar was pushing a Draca's in the club because we always standing at the front by the door so we can be nosy and see everything.
Speaker 2You wanted to see who was coming in and who was leaving with who?
Speaker 11Yes, yes, ma'am a boy.
Speaker 19Eleven o'clock I saw Tafarest come and pushing Anddraga's in and I was excited to see him because I hadn't seen him in a year, because I had just got out the military.
Speaker 2Stanley Chandler is also at Tease that night to catch up with friends.
He and to Forrest knew each other as kids and Pratt.
Speaker 19So we stood there and we start we talked, you know about old times, you know, and I mean we joked, laying and.
Speaker 2Laugh to Forrest and Ardregas settle in at a table chatting with people who stopped by watching the dance floor.
Speaker 20I was sitting on the balcony because when you go around, it's like a little balcony part that you could sit at.
And so I seen Draca's in too far ast when they came in the door, because he was pushing them in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2This is Dedra Carter, who was celebrating getting released from the hospital with her sister Kenyara.
Dedra was also at Tease that night.
Speaker 20And him and my cousin Mona and my sister, all of us was just there talking.
And you know, I think Toofars liked at Mona, so you know, he was trying to hook up with him, but she wouldn't.
Speaker 11No, she wouldn't never hook up with him.
Speaker 20We used to laugh, talk joking, like even we at the club music playing, We're still cracking up, you know, you know, just talking and stuff.
Speaker 2To Forrest SIPs along island iced tea and orders our Dragas a brandy and coke.
At one point, to Forrest goes back to the bar because Dragas says his drink is too weak, and the bartender makes him a new one.
They linger at the club into the early hours of Wednesday morning.
Speaker 20When I said we would probably ship the club now we was there, I know, to probably like they used to close about maybe one two o'clock, so we would leave right right before that, so I know it was like maybe one.
Speaker 19I ain't up leaving a club roughly about I'm gonna say around about right at one.
And like I said, he was standing across the club, you know, you could see him because it wasn't a big, big club, you know, And I just started to do signs up and I.
Speaker 15Left and he was still there.
Speaker 19Yeah, you stayed there when I left.
Speaker 2There are at least ten people who say they saw to Forrest and Ardregas at Tea's place between eleven PM and one thirty am.
Deputy Bill Hardy was shot right in the middle of that time frame, around twelve fifty am, four miles away at the Crown Sterling Suites Hotel.
People like Kenyara, Dedra Stanley, Queisi, Mama Cat all remember that night.
Their corroborated statements weave together a shield.
That shield should protect to Forest and Ardregas from the accusations about to head their way.
But it doesn't.
The state would arrest to Forest and Ardregis, try them and seek the death penalty against both of them for Deputy Hardy's murder.
For the last three years, I've been trying to figure out.
Speaker 1How this happened.
Speaker 2I've read through thousands of pages of court transcripts and investigative documents.
I've done a full audit of all the media coverage and interviewed more than eighty people, including several who were directly involved in this investigation and prosecution, and many who have never spoken publicly about the case.
I'm not trying to find the real killer of Deputy Hardy.
I'm investigating why that person was never found.
One of the first things I tried to unwind, how did to Forrest Johnson and ardregus Ford end up at the center of the investigation when they were somewhere else at the time.
Deputy Hardy was killed.
Here's one thing everyone agrees on.
After they leave Tea's place to Forrest and Ardregas pick up two girls and the Monte Carlo.
Speaker 1One sits in the.
Speaker 2Back by Ardregas's wheelchair, the other one sits between Ardregas and to Forest in the front.
And that girl the one in the front seat.
What she tells police will land to Forest and Ardregas right at the center of the investigation.
Speaker 5I'm at the Shriff's office headquarters along with Yolanda Michelle Chambers.
Yolanda is a black female.
Speaker 18She's fifteen years of age.
Speaker 1That's next time.
Speaker 2Ear Witness is a production of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company Number One.
Executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Kempler, Kevin Wardis, and me Beth Shelburn.
The investigative reporting for this series was done by Me and Mara McNamara.
Producers are MARAA.
McNamara, Hannah Beal, and Jackie Pauley.
Kara Kornhaber is our senior producer.
Britt Spangler is our sound designer.
Additional story editing from Marie Sutton, fact check help from Katherine Newhan, and special thanks to to Forrest Johnson's legal defense team.
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