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Welcome Star Trek.

I am the host, Scott Strong Beer Bowders, And that's it.

It's just about me, all right, Well host yep.

Scott, Wow, I don't I don't think he screams his own name in that in that seed?

Did you want me to scream yours?

Okay, here we go.

Well, here's the question.

Here's the question.

And I mean this is really a question for desiree Scott scream of his own name.

I'm just curious.

Wow, I don't need these answers all that.

Oh yeah, I would take.

Yeah, I was traumatized after that episode that we just watched, so oh wow boy, yeah that that inspired the the over the top all about me intro.

Yeah, I got I got feelings.

I got feelings about this episode.

I mean I liked it kind of maybe a little.

I mean, there was a lot of people it was.

There are a lot of times where where Does and I were sitting on the couch and watching the episode, we looked over each other like and smiled like, yeah, I get that, that's funny.

But yeah, and then you then you're done with the episode and you reflect upon it, and then yeah, feelings, we'll talk about it.

Feelings, we'll talk about it.

How's everybody doing?

Good?

Goody.

I'm tired.

We were talking in the green room.

I'm tired.

I'm always tired.

I think that's my natural my natural state.

Now other than that, you know, I I bring this up from time to time that I look around and I see star Trek everywhere.

I sometimes make Star Trek connections in my head that maybe are there, maybe aren't there.

But I was at karate the other day and a new girl started, she's about my son's age.

But I overheard her yeah, yeah, but her name, her name is Anka.

And whenever I whenever I hear a real person named Anka, I have to just, you know, wonder, I wonder.

You know.

She's thirteen years old where her parents Voyager fans, and towards the end of class, I overheard her mother talking with the head instructor and turns out they had a friend in common, and I overheard the mother say, oh, well, I was the class of nineteen ninety five.

I'm thinking, okay, So mom was eighteen years old when Voyager came out.

Three years later, when seven of nine rolled around, she was in her early twenties, So I think there's like there's like a seventy five percent chance that this kid is named after a Borg drone.

But I just don't know how to ask mom without coming off like a total creep.

So I don't know.

Well, maybe I'll.

Never know that she's not a star trek man.

It could be that her daughter is the tertiary adjunct of Unimtord ero one.

So that's that ero excuse me, excuse me, ero ero one.

If you're gonna do it, do it ero.

You're not going to say it.

Yeah, if you're not going to say it, right, just just.

Don't call on that it's Uni Matrid ero one.

You know, you know how you I think it's ero zero one?

Google me right, Uh, audience.

Dan, Here's how you pull it off.

You tell her that you're worried about your son.

He had a spelling test and you got a steven out of nine.

See what she says to that.

Yeah, yeah, maybe she's the seventh of nine kids, you know, maybe maybe?

Yeah.

Dog Green wants to know if we caught the Back of the Future reference eight light speed.

Yeah No, I didn't know, I did.

I remember them saying point eight light speed.

But yeah like it.

Yeah cool, So guys, guys, turn on your turn on your recorders.

I'm about to apologize to to Scott's strongbeard.

I actually I made I made a mistake.

It's it's it's Uni Matrix ero one.

And now I and now I know where my confusion came from.

Earth Earth is I think sector ero ero one?

Okay, yeah, and I think spend some time chatting about sector ero ero one.

Yeah, I apologize, sir.

What's the what's the opposite of a nerd alert?

You take nerd cred away from me?

I don't know.

Yeah, your nerdy I I accept your apology.

Well, thank you, well, thank you sir.

Now that we've got past that, I think we can move on, move on with the podcast, I think.

Yeah, yeah, well let's let's get the news before there's more apologies and all ye star Trek news, right, yeah.

Our first news story comes to us from, uh it's some financial website.

What is this?

Media playnews dot com?

That old you know?

Yeah yeah yeah, and uh, Paramount recently had their.

Their quarterly report and they reported that they have lost one point three million subscribers.

However, revenue is up.

So that's interesting.

So apparently to them, what they say was the cause of the the drop in subscribers, it's not anything to do with their you know, programming, or or lack of interest or anything like that.

It's the fact that promotion ended and so of course they were going to lose that many subscribers.

It's totally fine.

Nothing is a year.

They do say that that profits are up though, and that's due largely to the free added supported streaming service Pluto, which has become very very popular, and so yeah, that makes sense, more people are watching it.

You know.

What they're saying, is they're saying is old broadcast style, free free television.

It's saving them.

It's saving them, baby.

Yeah.

So that's that's what they're saying about that that revenue increased fifteen percent from one point eight nine billion to two point one billion a year of a year for those sorts of things.

So yeah, the big deal with sky dances to officially close on August seventh, even though it's pretty much done.

It's just it's all just fine right now.

Yeah.

So but that's that's where we're at.

This is what sky dnswer is picking up down in subscribers up in profits allegedly.

So yeah, m what do you think people are leaving?

Is it just emotion or.

I'm sure that's part of it, but I bet the larger part is content.

Mm hmm.

I mean, you know, you you you don't subscribe to these services unless you're super into the things that they're they're playing.

Yeah, so if you're not into Star Trek, you're not in the n CIS, you're not into any of these things, You're not gonna stay.

You might have gotten the subscription because you have Walmart Plus, or you have a certain phone service, or you are a podcast host that you just why you have it, you know, right, But for the average Joe, I think.

There's another factor.

What's that that I think there's.

I think there's another factor, and that's the laziness factor.

People subscribe to these things and then they don't unsubscribe because they're too lazy to go unsubscribe.

So then something comes along that's a catalyst that will make them unsubscribe to these things, and I think I think, yeah, no, no, I was referring to the Stephen Colbert saying I think people are I think people are lazy.

The average person is lazy and the average person is a follower.

And I think the talking heads are telling people you're you're supposed to be angry about this.

Mm hmmm.

Because they're told they're supposed to be ang agree about it.

They're going to be angry about it, and they're going to go do something about it.

They're going to cancel, yeah, their subscription.

It could be all sorts of different things too.

I also think that, like, there was that article I sent you guys from Rolling Stone talking about the state of Star Trek in Paramount and all that, And in that article they mentioned that the more popular stuff is not necessarily Star Trek, but it's the the Tyler Sheridan shows, the Yellowstones and what was the other one that.

They made in nineteen twenty three, eighteen yeah.

Yea yeah no, but they mentioned another set of shows too, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that those kinds of shows are bringing in audiences and not necessarily Star Trek.

So it's it's kind of interesting.

Yeah, right, so we'll see, right, well, okay, I will.

But.

He's still he's going to cancel his Paramount.

Plus right, that's right, He's like, yeah, they.

One of these one of the one of these talking heads told them he should be mad about it.

That's right, that's right.

Now he's angry.

It's like I'm out.

So our next news story comes to us from Cinema Blend and Star Trek's Robert Priccardo revealing something concerning that the Emah in Star Trek Academy should delight Voyager friends, that should delight Voyger fans.

So we're learning a little bit more about how the Emah is going to be portrayed in Star Trek Academy.

And they had this, uh this article talking about that, but let me pull the quote.

It says, the wonderful thing about this series is that I will compare myself to the Doctor at my age, with all the experience in life that I've had, the most exciting thing is to learn something new at any age.

The Doctor perfectly embodies that.

So, yes, you will see multiple events, but one major event and one major character interaction, uh some about something very new.

And when you're eight hundred, that's particularly meaningful.

So mm hmm, there's got is it kind of gird that he says he's eight hundred.

I thought the Doctor was older than that.

How would you be older than that then they go.

Because Voyager shot up like nine hundred years or I mean Discovery, I guess, yeah, he would be eight hundred.

Yeah, yeah, I yeah, eight hundred sounds right to me.

Yeah, okay, So.

I'm curious about what their explanation for his his aging is gonna be.

Yeah, is it gonna be Are we gonna be like, oh, that's lame?

Or is it gonna be like oh yeah, okay, I can get behind that.

Well.

And and the other thing is, I guess one of the characters in in Stretrik Academy is a photonic life form, so that I guess those two are gonna connect, being both photonic beans, which we've seen that before and Voyager there was that episode where they met the whole photonic So.

Yeah, cool always goes goes over.

Well, that's right, It's totally fine.

So yeah, so there's that, all right, And then our last news story comes to us from let's see what is this TV insider?

So there has been a lot to do with the whole is there going to be a Muppet episode?

Because as far as I can tell, they have not firm for sure that there's going to be a Muppet episode.

There's just that teaser and you see Spike as am up it.

But it sounds like it's confirmed because straight into the Worlds, Paul Wesley admits he's jealous he's not in the puppet episode.

So there was an interview with them because they were all a comic cons and they were talking to all sorts of people.

But he says, quote, I'm not in that episode unfortunately, so I can't speak to it.

But I've seen some of this stuff and it's pure brilliance.

I'm jealous that I'm not actually in it.

So we're gonna get a puppet.

Episode, so.

We gotta we got him, We got a musical, We're getting a puppet episode.

What else?

What else do you think we're gonna get?

We're gonna clamations, We're gonna get a silent movie episode.

Clamation, yeah, clamation, they did the animated crossover thing.

Yeah, I don't know, three D I don't know.

Yeah, oh god, yeah.

I'm I gonna have am I gonna have to go to seven eleven and and drink six lurpees to get a pair of glasses to watch them sort of star trek?

Is that is that how that's gonna work?

I wouldn't be surprised.

See, you know you can.

You can't get him out of the you can't get him out of the Sunday paper.

That's even a thing.

This is what scares me.

Do you do you guys feel the vibe of the three of us right now, because all three of us.

Are like, yeah, I'm gonna I said something to my wife.

I said, uh, I feel like I'm falling out of love with star Trek oh and and and and I don't know.

I don't know what to do about it.

Obviously it's going to be counseling.

Show me on the doll.

We're starting hurting you, right, Yeah, you need to go.

We all need to go see a therapist.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I like that we're having a serious conversation out and the muppet is right there staring at us.

Yeah, he's staring at me.

He's staring at me.

Because this is right, or it's not going to be an alternate reality episode.

Well, and we don't know.

Are they muppets the entire episode?

Is it one sequence?

We don't know?

I I yeah, Well, here's the thing.

They have a holid deck now, so they can do whatever they want, right.

But they put the moth balls.

But yeah, that doesn't mean anything.

They can pull it out anytime they want.

They can visit a star base for one anytime they want.

Yeah all right, yeah all right.

So yeah that's all the news stories.

So there you go.

Should we get to the main topic.

Yeah, all right, let's get to the main topic.

Fun will now comment.

All right, so we are reviewing the Strategy Worlds season three episode for a Space Adventure hour.

We will see what people think.

Oh, look at this, it was tricky, Dan, I have to agree with you have to see that we fall out of New Trek the course, our trick will always be there.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah you know what, girl, No, not that you can always go back to your old girlfriend, But even even that old girlfriend who you broke up with years ago, you still have fond memories of the time that you spent with that person.

And that's how I would I would equate this.

You know, Deep Space nine is is always there for me to revisit anytime I want.

But yeah, I don't know, I'm just not excited.

I was, you know, I tuned into this episode and I mean I watched it.

I watched it but.

The log line real quick sure would long test a prototype holiday with a fictional case that only she can solve.

The conuen consequences of failure get greater and greater with the enterprise hanging in the balance.

So there you go.

That's here's the realization I came up with you Yeah, okay, good good, good good good.

No, I was just gonna say they I think they had a lot of fun spoofing TOS.

Okay, the first but I think they had I'm sorry, clear my igot to muse to Mike.

I think they had too much fun spoofing TOS.

That first segment that takes place on a fictional show within a show.

Was so long.

It was so long before we even got the intro to the show.

And none of what they did there mattered.

None of it had anything to do with the episode.

Okay, and even the credits, the closing credits, were more of that.

So I think they set up this retro set and they shot a whole bunch of stuff, and they loved it so much and it was so much fun that they crammed it into this episode even though it was it was not needed.

It was not needed.

They could have accomplished the same thing with ten just ten seconds of that.

Oh well, Paul.

Wesley is in this episode and he's talking like William Shatner circa nineteen sixties, and uh, what's your name is?

Wearing a really short skirt?

What's going on here?

That's all that's all you needed.

Instead, they did it.

They did the first segment of a TOS episode and then did full TOS opening credits, and none of it mattered for the for the big scheme of the of the episode, and then the story for the episode itself was kind of shallow too, So I don't know it stretching.

No, No, it was recycled.

It was an idea.

It wasn't a story that was the issue.

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

It was an idea.

And the idea is not even a new one though, because all right, let's do a holiday episode.

This is how it probably went down.

Let's do a holiday episode.

Well they don't have the holidack, all right, well we'll do you know, we'll do a conversation about why they do have a holiday, and then we'll do a holiday episode.

Okay, what are we gonna do in our holiday episode?

Let's have a character who's trapped in the Holidack and it's malfunctioning and they can't get out, and the safety protocols are turned off, and we'll have a twist ending to resolve it.

Yeah, we've seen this episode a thousand times on TNG and Deep Space nine and Voyager and and even even the main twist at the end was recycled.

You know it was.

It was straight out of TNG.

Oh, you told the computer to make a character, make a villain, uh able to defeat data?

Right, so they created not the character but data.

Okay, same thing here.

She asked the Holidack to create a story that will be difficult for her to solve Lan.

Difficult for Lan to solve, not difficult for Alexis Texas or whatever her name was.

I don't know, I can't I can't remember the character's name.

Yeah, it was all that whole thing was I fan girl over fan service.

But this was way too much for even me.

Yeah, and those not those levers, those levers pissed me off.

Mm hmmm.

That was that was too much.

That that took me out.

And the way that Ortegas operated them was phallic and weird, and I didn't.

I didn't like those lovers.

I did love his impression though.

That I did too.

Yeah, but there was so much of it.

It was so much of.

It, Yeah, that it got old right right.

I the realization I came with, now, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me say one let me say one thing.

Okay, I would I would look at I would look at Nurse Chapel and that costume until the end of time.

Yeah.

I like Pike.

At one point my wife leaned over and was like, who is that is that?

I'm like, yeah, that's that's Ants and Mount, that's Pike.

Because he looked the least amount like his normal character.

I thought he did a fantastic job of creating a completely separate character.

Mm hmm.

Dancing dancing.

So dancing dancing is TV's way of saying we are having sex without having sex, right like dance partners.

The other thing I noticed, you just if you can go back one picture the door, Yeah, uh they must have got and that door off of a Star Destroyer because that door opened and closed violently, like it was like the way the way that a Star Wars door opens and closes.

That was insane.

Well, the thing I was going to say, is it struck me that the Stranger New Worlds has gone from the exploring show to the fan fiction show, Because it's like, they're like, Okay, what do people want to see.

Oh, we want to see them as detectives.

We want to see them in the nineteen sixties.

Oh, we want to see them, you know, in this outfit or that outfit or this situation.

We want to see them as puppets.

We want to you know, it's not it's not exploring.

It's not you know, the core of Star Trek.

Yes, it all reads like fan fiction.

Now, Scott, Now Spock has a girlfriend.

Oh, but the girlfriend doesn't like him.

Let's give him another girlfriend.

Yeah, like immediately after, Well, we said before the show is not showing us strange new.

Worlds, no strange new outfits.

Yes, yeah, they've gotten away a little bit from their core.

Mm hmm, I mean a lot away from their core, you know, and they can't seem to they can't seem to balance on this teeter totter.

It's either you know, horrible gorns are are sucking the life on you out of you and planting babies in your gut to dressing up as holiday characters.

I'm willing to bet that next week episode is a is a serious episode with a lot of a lot of steak, probably, you know, because that that they went serious, funny serious, this is funny, Like I think they need to have more of an even killed episode that deals with you know, fundamental star Trek seek out, you know, strange new worlds.

Up through the lens of time.

You know, we've talked, we've talked about this before.

We get ten episodepisodes we used to get twenty six.

Yeah, if you get three stinkers out of twenty six, it's not a big deal.

You get three stinkers out of ten, and that's a thirty year, thirty year season, and you know, we get ten episodes, but really, really you get eight because the season opener is the is wrapping up the season before that ended in a cliffhanger, and the season finale is setting up the cliffhanger for next season.

So you get you get eight episodes in the middle, and then if three of those are stinkers, well you're at almost half at that point.

And I see, I didn't hate this episode, but I'm looking for it to for like you just said, you only get eight episodes.

I'm looking for it to further the story of the season.

This kind of episode is fine when you have twenty six.

I mean, this wasn't an Ala Moraine.

It was a perfectly serviceable episode.

Like you don't, I don't want to see it.

If I only get to see five more episodes or six more episodes, then you know, easy up on the bottle episode.

I watched this.

I watched this Thursday night, about an hour before the show.

I popped it back on.

I started watching it, and I got about five minutes.

I got through the retro, the retro and the old ship, the retro credits at the beginning, Yes, thank you, I'm sorry, and I was like, you know, I don't need to watch this.

I already saw this.

I don't need to watch it.

I was gonna watch it, and then I decided, now, yeah.

Yeah, right.

So we've done this a couple of times.

H did you hear me?

Or did cut go ahead?

I said, we've done this a couple of times.

I think we should do it again.

Say one nice thing about this episode.

Well, I was gonna say.

On IMDb, this episode has a six point seven rating out of ten it's not horrible.

Yeah, so it's it's not the best, but some of the reviews are sigh.

With only a ten season episode ten episode season, this didn't help.

Well yeah yeah, another one on nine out of ten.

They enjoyed the meta comedy, comedy and like the sixties vibe, So okay.

It was meta.

Yeah, I really enjoyed the the bloopers at the end were Paul Wesley tries to do the Riker maneuver.

Yeah, yeah, that had me laughing.

What do you guys think about Scotty?

I I really like Scotty.

I like him.

Yeah, I like this guy.

Yeah, yeah, you seem Lukewarre.

What was the excuse why Pelly wasn't there to help him?

Like, okay, I wanted to talk about I wanted to talk about this.

I think they are well.

I think it's obvious they're slowly trying to replace her with Scott, and they're trying to do it in a way that they don't have to explain it.

Like, I don't know if she's not well, she's going to be in future episodes because she's in the episode where they all turned into Valkans, so right, I don't know if she had limited time to be in the series into the season or what.

But they're slowly I mean she because they didn't even show her at all.

They haven't showed her in the last I think two episodes.

Yeah, she was, well, she's got to be more expensive than he as as an actor.

So probably, yeah, that's true.

That's probably what it is.

Okay, we only get her for six episodes and we get him for all ten.

So right, yeah, So so they're giving these little, you know, sort of excuses of why mm hmm, and they even call like even Number one called her, called him out on it.

He's he's like, where's the where's what's her face?

And he's like, oh, she's busy, uh, you know, doing something else and sent me instead.

And she's like, yeah, right, I know, she doesn't want to be here.

Like that was kind of meta, Like I think they're explaining, yeah, she's not here, the actress isn't here.

So the Trick reviewer says this episode is Stranger the World's equivalent to the Big Goodbye from TG.

I would say it's not, even though yes, they're both detective ones.

I would say it's more equivalent to the Robin Hood episode with Coopier and just.

Or the the robin Hood one wasn't wasn't a Yeah, the robin Hood one was uh was c Q created that?

That was right, It wasn't a But I'm talking about tonally just goofy and kind of weird, That's what.

I'm Yeah, it was a mix between that and the the Elementary episode.

Yeah, so we know they're unshackled from Cannon indeed the whole temporal Cold War thing.

But one thing that that struck me, uh, rubbed me the wrong way is how intuitive and interactive these holiday characters are.

And we know in the twenty fourth century when Riiker meets me, now realistic and intuitive she is.

So that kind of doesn't doesn't add up.

So they do that.

But then at the same time, when they show us the Holidack, it looks like the TG Holodack.

It doesn't look like a Deep Space nine holiday.

It doesn't for a voyager, it doesn't look like a voyager all of that, because the look just this was uh you know, this is specifically a TG black background, yellow squares hollow that right.

Well, they're doing the whole room you remember the Holidays, which was.

Kind of nice to see but yeah, yeah, yeah it was.

It was all right.

So one thing, one thing I did like good, I was just.

Gonna say, like, you're right as far as like, you know, all this computing power, and they couldn't get chat GBT to create some realistic people that weren't based on the transporter patterns of the crew, like they couldn't, you know, but they were able to base.

They were able to give their voices and personality and close and all this, but they couldn't just create new faces.

I mean, I could ask Chef d GBT right now to create the likeness, to create not the likeness of a person, just create a random person that doesn't look like anybody in particular, and Jack would be able to do it.

Yeah.

It would have been funnier if they said, all right, you know, uh, it can only use the transporter buffer.

But the problem is it can only use one person.

So it's that same actor playing all the characters.

You have.

You'd have to get the guy who plays Tran, you'd have to get Yeah, you have to get Jeffrey.

Yeah, yeah, that would be funny if it's all the same person doing the same all the rules, right, right.

So there was there was a little easter egg here.

That kind of solves a nitpick that people have had over the years.

Yeah, Spock in the past refer I think it was in Star Trek six he said an ancestor of mine said blah blah blah blah blah, and he quoted Sherlock Holmes.

And the nitpick is that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character.

And I think one time we talked about this on the show and I said, no, no, no, he's probably referring to Sir Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock's Holmes, because everything that Sherlock's Sherlock Holmes said, those are actually the words of Sir Conan Doyle.

And he yes, and he specifically referred to Doyle as being his ancestor in this episode, So that was nice to to clear that up.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like these giant fake dogs.

Those were cool.

Those are I have to say.

Una looked absolutely stunning in this episode.

I loved her look or dress.

She looked very very cool.

You're gonna see a lot of people cosplayed as these characters at conventions.

Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure.

Jess Bush used her regular accent for her holiday character.

Yeah, Yeah, that was neat.

Yeah, yep, Yeah, always looks like he's up for something.

Well.

Yeah, and the Trek reviewer says, my only problem with Scotty is that in t Us Scotty is the oldest actor in character, and this guy seems to be one of the youngest.

Yeah, he does seem young on the young ish side.

I just think that I don't.

I think they're trying to play him like he doesn't have a ton of experience.

Like he's really smart, right, He's an excellent, excellent engineer, he just doesn't have a ton of the job experience.

Yeah.

I fix for that is high consumption of alcohol accelerates aging.

So he will people come in right where he's supposed to be for the five year mission.

Uh.

Yeah.

I feel like they had a lot of fun putting this episode together, and I wish that had translated better for the viewers.

Which they had had as they did.

Yeah.

Yeah, I kept trying to think, like, what what would I do to make the patient of this episode a little bit faster?

What what could you have done to I don't know.

The other thing, too, is like what was the issue with the enterprise, Like there was a some sort of starburst or something.

I don't even remember.

I don't remember they had had to observe a star blowing up or something.

And I don't even remember the B storyline.

Yeah, the A story they were the whole thing was they were testing the holidays.

Right, So, okay, all kind of ruin a little bit of a story, story structure and everything like that.

But typically what you want is in a show like this, you want your A plot and your B plot to kind of mirror each other so that they tie together better.

Right, So what probably would have worked better is if because the the Halo Deck is this experimental program, there's a key component that makes it work right, and so somehow there's a spy on board, and they took that component and that's why the Holo Deck is now glitching out and they can't get a hold of lawn and that's why she's in danger because now the safety protocols are on.

So while she's solving one mystery, the crew is solving the other mystery.

Who's the spy and we have to get the component to fix it?

Right?

That that would have mirrored a little bit better as to what's going on and make it more a mystery overall for everybody.

Yeah, so just an idea.

Yeah, I have to come to to Jonathan Frakes's defense here, and I understand what Kevin's Kevin's Trek he is saying.

He says, I'm a bit disappointed in Freaks.

He's usually so good with making Trek.

Yes, And I always defense.

I always said that, you know, he is what made First Context so great, And a lot of people have told me, well, he didn't write it, he didn't produce it, he just directed it.

I think directing a motion picture you have much more control over what's going on than directing an episode.

They wrote this episode and then it was just Franks's turn to direct, right, you know, And so I do agree that he he could have done something with the pacing.

But I one of the things about Jonathan Frakes directing these new episodes of Star Trek is that they're so different and they they allow things on this track that they never did in Next Generation or or Voyager.

They allow people to improvise here where they didn't that was a no no back then.

So I just I think that this is less to do with Freaks and more to do with the writers and the editors.

Yeah, because all the elements in this episode I enjoyed, you know, the things that a director sort of has control over, I enjoyed.

If they kept it the way it was, it would have been better as like a thirty five minute episode.

Yeah, ye, cut out some of the fluff.

Just get to the point and let's do it.

Have more a story.

Yeah, have more a story.

So I think that's the mistake they made.

Here, Dan, are you are you saying something?

I think he's just chilling.

Okay.

So one of the things that that kind of oh there he goes.

No Kevin drinking.

Okay, I'll forgive breaks on a time.

Bask God, that's my boy, you know, Frank, my boy.

There is there's Dan.

Uh.

Were you gonna say something?

Dan?

Hey, can you hear me?

Yeah?

Yeah, I was gonna.

I was gonna ask ask, ask you guys a question and then and then make a point regarding it.

Do we agree that in the story Lane likely had the ability characters.

She's handed a pad and there are some faces there, but I'm assuming those were the transporter patterns for the crew of the Enterprise and other people.

People who have used the transporter on the Enterprise in the recent past, I e.

Paul Wesley, Captain Kirk, Lieutenant Kirk.

Can we agree that you.

Do?

You likely had the ability to choose who she wanted?

Oh yeah, for sure, Oh sure sure.

I think I wanted to.

I wanted to reiterate that.

Jonathan Frakes, he's my boy.

Yeah, all right, are you guys?

Yeah, we're here and you know at delay I think a little bit, but what a U Yeah Trek reviewer.

I don't blame freaks.

I blame the writers and producers because they don't understand the material Star Trek is based on, and they don't understand the material Startuk is based on, and they want to push their own agenda.

I don't know if it's about an agenda they want to push.

I think they're trying to.

They might be under pressure from Paramount to make something popular, to make something the fans like to make.

Yeah, uh, you know, and fan services are always yeah, fan service is always popular and usually does well for you know, that kind of thing for user ratings.

Maybe not critical ratings, but I think that's what it's more about.

I mean, I don't think there's a tender being pushed here with a holiday.

Yeah, you know this episode two, they did the weird thing where when she figures out that the safety protocols are off, she says it as opposed to like she accidentally gets hurt or something like that.

You know, Well, she did get hurt, like when the chandelier fell.

They're a little shart of glass did hit her in the and she started bleeding, which I thought was a poorly done special effect.

It was obviously CG.

But uh yeah, so she did get a little bit of an injury there.

Okay, was she really bleeding or was it a holographic injury?

Yeah, well it didn't to me, it didn't look real, So I don't I don't know, that's what I'm saying.

I think, you know, we we come to find out that, you know, the Halo deck is smarter than we think it is.

I'm wondering if that wasn't a real injury it was a holographic.

Well, if if there was a holographic injury, that would not be an indication that the safeties were broken.

Yeah, yeah, earlier.

Yeah, I was.

I was trying to make a point that you know, Lon Lon could pick from anyone who's used the transport on the Enterprise in the last year to populate this program.

And I understand that Paul Wesley is under contract for X number of episodes as a reoccurring character.

But the storyline from last season she fell in love with him or a version of him and then lost him.

Why would she then pick him to appear in this hal of deck fantasy that her new boyfriend is helping her program.

It just doesn't.

It didn't.

That's a good points at.

Yeah, and if and if they were going to do that, they don't even acknowledge that there's this past connection between the two of them that they don't even acknowledge that she could be looking at that character differently, And maybe I think it would have It would have added if there was some reason that he had to be in there, if Scotty just picked the people and instead hands with the pad and says, uh, these these people are gonna pier us characters in this in this program because I needed to get patterns from somewhere.

And you see, yeah, but you know, just a second of trepidation on her again and then his character.

You can see how uncomfortable it is for Right and instead they just lost Right over like it, like it never happened.

You could have done a bit to where everyone is saying he's the killer, right, that Kirk is the killer, the person he's playing, right, and you make it look like he is so guilty, and even Spock is saying that, and she can even be saying, hey, he wouldn't do something like this and that to keep reminding her these aren't the people, you know, these are fictional characters.

That's a really good idea.

Yeah, that would have been more compelling or.

Or or in fitting with the twist of the episode if somehow somehow make the make the connection that the computer, the computer had access to her personal logs, right, and she has made it.

She has made encrypted entries in her personal logs about her experiences in this alternate timeline with James T.

Kirk.

And for that yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that too.

That reason the computer uses that uses that against her.

That could have been that could have been so much better.

Or okay, so you she the computer, the computer.

The computer computer.

Selects which path patterns it's going to use to populate this program.

So she said that's not just me, right, no, no, create okay, and the computer, the computer picks I'm gonna put him in there, and that the pattern of her current boyfriend.

There, No, that makes sense.

I see what he's says, having the computer pick.

Yeah, I guess we spending for a minute.

Yeah, yeah, you're you're losing uses.

As a computer is cutting Dan off.

Yes, the computer does not want these infractions upon it.

Hey put this up on the screen, Kevin Streky, I agree with him.

The more suggestions Daniel has, the more I really hope you become a writer on Star Trek.

Paramoun could really use your creative passion for Star Trek.

I wholeheartedly exact, I really really do so, Danny you back.

No, he just went he's gown.

I think, Yeah, I think the computer is sick of him talking.

Ship probably probably, uh we we did ask well, maybe we should say that for feedback.

Okay, yeah, we have any last thoughts about this episode?

Well, so next week is through the Lens of Time, So okay, I don't know anything about it, but that's next week's episode.

There is is maybe a time travel episode or we just kind.

Of had one.

Yeah, we just had kind of had one.

So I don't know what they're.

I know that's going on, and I don't know how much of that came through.

But the quick version was they should have had her make the request of the computer create a program that'll be difficult for me.

The computer has read her log, the computer knows about her, her relationship with Fock, her relationship with Kirk, and because of that, it puts both of them in the program.

That would have made so much more sense, would have been such a better episode.

Yeah, I liked it.

I liked it.

Yeah it was.

The episode was a good first draft.

There was fine tuning they needed to do, and it would have been so much better.

That's the thing, you know.

But uh, I need to set up.

What I've been doing here is just not working.

Yeah, garbage, Sorry guys.

All right, well that's all right.

Well, yeah, I've been listening to the episodes to see if my setup has been decent.

I think it is so yeah.

I don't know how my audio is right now, but no, it.

Sounds fun to me.

I figured out that my uh my computer had been picking the wrong audio source for me past couple episodes and that's why.

Okay, yeah, because you sounded you sounded off?

Yeah great now, yeah, because now it's actually using my mic as opposed to the computer bike is what it was doing.

Yeah, I'm actually gonna I'm actually gonna set up something where I'm not using the headset uh for the microphone because I want to get a better like so my audio is a little bit better quality.

So I'm gonna set up a series of tin cans and strings for all of us.

Just do that and you get them tight between Idaho, Michigan and New York.

Yeah, I'll just send Ravens to dispatch.

The Okay, that sounds good.

That sounds good.

So all right, well let's let's get to uh listener feedback.

Listener feedback.

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So we asked in our Facebook group, which you guys can join.

We'd love to have you there.

In the Facebook group, we asked people what do they think of this episode, and overall people were like, it was slow but fun.

Let's see film marks is very disappointed with the whole episode.

Just in jail with me two and ten.

Yeah, hold on, I said, not a fan of Holo Deck episodes, but the b plot was good, so yeah yeah, Mike Medina said, I might have to watch again.

Felt like a dragged out too much.

So there you go, Yeah it did.

I mean, yeah, well we got Chasm was on the line, so let me bring him on.

Oh there he is, he's in the gym.

Yeah wow, you guys.

Good what you mentioned over there?

What do you got like a hundred?

Okay, just turn out not nun Yeah okay, all right, you'll you'll work your way up.

Yeah oh wait high reps?

Yeah hi right, yep, so got on.

You should have been like doing you should have been doing something one hundred.

Yeah you guys didn't see there, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

The gym guy.

That's right, that's right.

The episode was costumes and wigs, so yeah, so there was some really good quality wigs on this one.

There were some good quality wigs.

I was glad to see, Like hair was probably so it's like he was the recognizable character of the whole episode.

That's some good air.

And I did kind of like the retro set from the seventies riding me across between Doctor Who and uh, Star Trek.

Yeah, that that old set seemed like fun.

Yeah.

Almost reminder, if they did Star Trek Continues or something in the seventies, what would Star Trek look like?

And it probably would have looked similar to that before Star Wars would have been this kind of ugly set, good costumes and vibrant colors.

I guess for me, like the more you think about it, more of my issue with it is if they wanted to do a detective mystery, we did those before with the card right what he was Dixon Hill, And if they wanted to do this retro space thing, we did that before in Voyager with Captain Proton.

So both major elements of this episode have been done before in Star Trek, you know.

Just they combined them all.

So yeah, you could have done something else.

Yeah, I mean they got the strange part of the strange New worlds be in the world.

This is my question on the holidayck.

I thought it was the new technology in next Gen, right, Uh.

Well by then, well they sort of explained it away and they they they invented the holidack.

They want to test it out.

But the problem is it takes up way too much computing power and the safety protocols don't work, and they're like, we're going to mothball this.

And so I mean, I think Pike even says, just yea, wrap it up, put it away, you know, mothball it junk, you know, put in a box and store it in the same Great is the last arc, and that's that's where it's going to go for the next one hundred years or eighty years.

And so they just unboxed it eighty years later.

So do you think they'll rebox it again here in a couple seasons or next season.

They're hopefully they're going to learn from their mistake.

And not do it right.

That always happens.

They always learn Oh yeah, they always learned it.

I always.

I always it's been off serious to shows that anyway go ahead.

Well, when they do an episode like this, it's always the bridge crew.

It's always sit around the table and hang out with them.

There's nobody else on the ship.

It's just the you know, about seven primary characters.

And that's all, Oh my god.

They could have done just some random crewman that's the murder victim.

He's wearing a red shirt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, if you're gonna go meta, go meta, Yeah, just have fun, just have the random red shirt, you know.

Say yeah, and then just say he's the executive producer or whatever it is.

You know.

That he's wordly a red bolo.

Yeah.

But that that ship that Paul Wesley was flying was hilarious.

So the adventure, yeah, I kind of liked it.

I wonder what she thinks is like, this is this how you think I act?

So I feel like the amount of times the Halo deck has malfunctioned in start, I feel like this there would have to be a protocol for that, Like if you're stuck in a holideck, that's malfunctioning and they can't get the door open.

You know, let's equate it to let's equate it to a fire.

There's someone stuck in a burning building.

You call the fire department.

They force the door open, and then they go inside wearing protective gear that protects them from fire.

Why is there not the equivalent of that for the halo deck.

They force the door open, and somebody wearing a suit that's not affected by holographic matter can just walk from one end of that them to the other unimpeded, and pick up that person and carry them out.

And that's why you should be promoted to at a commander and become a safety officer.

Yeah well yeah, yeah, you.

Know, it's funny to me that, like she decides all right to relax, I'm gonna do this murder mystery when Voyager did it right and they were like, hey, if we're gonna turn on this holiday, let's go to a beach resort.

Yeah, yeah, to France, or yeah, this thing out at the bar, that's like.

Or you have the heros and take control and then make you suffer through it, right right.

Yeah, they've definitely made the hollow technology way more trouble than it's worth.

It was real, they would have banned the holid decks decades ago.

Yeah, I mean.

Training like, that's it so trick.

I ever wants to know why not just transport them out of the Holidack.

Uh.

They didn't give a reason.

They never brought it up, but I mean you could have easily just with the premise of the show just said it's too much power to operate the transporter and deal with whatever the enterprise is dealing with and the holidays.

They're having computer issues too, so I would imagine in order to use the transporters, your computer probably has to be in pretty good helping Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I never understood why they couldn't just pull the plug, Like, is there no metaphorical plug to just shut it off?

And then she's just standing in it.

They mentioned something, well, the holidacks having an independent power source.

They made a pretty big deal about mentioning.

That, but it wasn't I thought about I thought about that a couple of times.

Why can't they just pull the plug in the holidack?

And the thing that I came up with is the holographic stuff in there is solid, so imagine you're in a room and everything is made of glass, and suddenly everything in that room explodes.

And now.

By tractor beams and force fields.

Well, like you said, everything's made of glass and everything explodes.

I'm just saying all those force fields that are in there.

That's holding everything up.

I guess you're on a door like that.

If you're a flower like that, you can't when it normally shuts down.

It takes the time to disassemble everything that's been replicated.

If you just cut the power, everything has been replicated as falls or just disappears.

You know, it doesn't just disappear, So that could create a danger too.

You know.

They should do that with some Red Shirts and just kill them all and just show like what happens.

What happens.

They should have a holow deck safety training video.

Well, they ought to have like a stinger episode like at the beginning, like something horrible happens on the holiday with some Red Shirts, right, you see them all like fall and explode in there.

Then they got to solve the mystery how to fix the holiday.

They should have Scottie make a holidack safety training video.

Yeah, you know where before you use the holidack you have to go through the you know, a holida graphic version of Scotty comes up and says, you know, hello, you've decided to use a holidack.

Here's a few safety protocol things you should know.

Do you think it should be?

It shouldn't be Scotty.

It should be the hometown buffet guy where he's like hot out there.

Well he's slicing a brisket, all right, what about them sooners ha ha.

Alright, guys, I got company coming at one gold.

Lawn, so it's okay, sounds good.

Yesterday, Hey, can I ask you guys about Fantastic four?

Okay, since you know everybody's seen it.

Now, spoilers if you haven't, guys, Okay, yeah, boiler alert for Fantastic for What.

Did you guys think?

I mean that to transport a planet and.

Everything was, Yeah, that was the big far fetch thing.

Where were they going to transport it to.

Some other galaxy where they would was it.

Going to be a rogue planet without a stun where everybody.

They said they were within a habitable one of an.

And somehow they're going to transport our moon too?

I think, yeah, I don't know.

I means to answer this question.

Yeah, I'll put it a question to start.

I'm sure he's had several, probably thousands.

Right now.

I saw some like comic book YouTuber that I that I watch talk about this and he said that is very much a read.

Richard's thing to do is well, we just got to move the whole planet.

We'll just do that, when the real answer was like, well we could just move Galactis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, change the gravitational consonant of the universe, cross the room.

I think I can warp the whole planet.

Now that's right, Yeah, like that that kind of like that makes sense to me, Like, yeah, you ever thought it?

But maybe in universe, maybe in in universe eight three eight, that's that sort of thing is possible.

Well, it makes sense when like that's the danger.

We need to run away from the danger, as opposed to let's make the danger run away from us.

Well you sure as he'll know that when work on our.

Earth, well yeah, the most really everybody working together, Yeah yeah, nope, wouldn't happen.

No, it would not happen.

Even happen even if the Aliens came down and said, look we have a solution for you.

This is how it's going to be and we'll save your entire planet.

We've already done it ten dozen times before.

It worked out.

Great, you gotta work together.

It's it's it's gonna take a little bit of resources, but it won't be devastating for your economies worldwide.

Everybody, everybody would fake news, no reason, fake news.

Yeah, yeah, we just I don't believe in these aliens and c g.

I they're just trying to push their alien agenda.

That's right, that's right.

Who are they to say, yeah, scree you guys, that's right, that's right.

Fox News would hate them, CNN would hate them, everybody would be able to agree to.

The left would hate it.

Would really they just.

Fell from this guy and they're supposed to help us out.

Some big aliens going to eat your planet.

Like, yeah, they don't know what it means to be human.

Yeah, all of that, all of it.

Yeah, yeah, there there was a little plot hole for me on there.

I was like.

My wife looked at me, She's like, they're gonna made the planet.

I'm like, yeah, so that's kind of stupid.

Yeah, I just wanted to see a Donald Trump it inserted into that movie.

We go on, Yeah, I would.

Like to see somebody that I don't want to do it at all.

Well, you got to have like a you know, some incompetent leader that would be fighting back, and that's.

Probably the planet transporters of anybody's the fact.

We had an incompetent later we had more man.

He was hey, yeah.

It was nice to let everybody go under Earth.

Right, Subterrania.

I did, like, yeah, I would like to see the whole movie, because I know about forty minutes was edited out.

Yeah, and you could tell that, you know, there's probably more scenes with Moleman and.

Oh really well Blu Ray.

Yeah, yeah, because maybe they'll maybe they'll do the uh what was his name, John.

Malkovich, because John Malkovich got completely written now in the maybe he's control those orangu tangs.

Oh he was in it.

I didn't realize.

Yeah, yeah he was in it.

He was in yeah, yeah, like whole scenes like completely right.

Yeah, because they're trying to make them shorter, because they're going over to two hours forty minutes, and you get more screen time if you have shorter movies about two hours ten minutes.

Okay, Well, in the people aren't going to the theater because they're like, I don't want to spend three hours in the theater.

So they're like, okay, we can get them shorter.

That's more viewings every day, and uh so theoretically they can make more money and people will theoretically go.

Yeah, that's that's Oberg and Lucas had that method back in the day and that's why did so popular.

Yeah, and then since digital, you know, said a film you have digital, they can record as much as they want and they don't edit as you know, like they should edit, right, something's going on too long.

Well, that that's what Marvel does, right, Like they it's not that they don't have finished scripts when they start shooting, it's that they get new ideas as they're shooting and then like, oh now we're gonna change this, and that changes the whole.

It's a domenot and it blomes that budget to.

Yeah, oh big time, big time.

And I mean the hell this next of inter movies probably gonna be way up there.

With the actors, well, they asked Rebecca Remain like, oh, how much are you going to be in the movie or something like that, and uh and she was like yeah, I don't know, just kind of depends.

They can call me back if they want to, but.

You can put on that blue makeup, do all that and yeah, completely cut.

So that would suck.

Yeah, I mean hopefully maybe the CG at Honor because they might have better technology.

I mean, if you notice, I'm not getting Jennifer Lawrence back in there at least.

No, well, yeah, she's got her oscars, so she don't care.

Well, you know, she may not want to go into the makeup again.

No, yeah, yeah, that could be.

She might say, if you let me just walk on there as Jennifer Lawrence, sure.

Right, yeah yeah, yeah.

It's like, yeah, I'll be joining them for Lawrence, but I'm not going to be a mystique, so yeah.

Yeah right, or I'll be raving, you know, yeah whatever, you know, you know, if they wanted to do like a CG.

You know, I get it.

She doesn't need the money to do it.

And from what she said that the makeup process is horrible.

Yeah, yeah, so I don't blame her, No, not at all, not at all.

I saw a thing too with Chelsea Grammar was like when they asked him to be Beast and the Marvels Man, he was like, yeah, he'll do it, but he was like, yeah, I was dreading and doing the makeup and then they told him, no, it's all c g I it's fine.

How anything exciting?

And he was great stoked about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's.

A perfect beast something, has a perfect voice everything.

He's got the perfect voice for beast.

Great.

Great, Yeah that was some good casting.

That wasn't That was just like, yeah, of course he's beast, right.

What's kind of like?

Patrick Stewart was born play Xavier?

You're kind of well?

And James James Marsters is that his name?

Marsden is playing Cyclops, an underrated, underrated actor and an underrated character in the X Men franchise.

Did you ever see his show?

He was on on uh the Jury Duty show.

I need to watch, I hear I heard about it.

But it's hilarious.

It is it's a fake reality show.

It's all just a gaget against one dude, but it is so good.

This one guy doesn't really he's in on the the gag that it's a fake trial.

Yeah, it's fake Jerry everything.

He just thinks he's on a on a jury with James Barsden.

Okay, just think this.

Poor guys wake it up every morning, like, man, I gotta wake up.

And yeah, yeah, it's great.

It's it's such a funny show.

It's such a funny show.

Excited to see Tom Holland back at Spider Man and brand new day tessers shot of the back to Basics uniform.

Yeah, I did see that.

Uniform looks great.

That was actually before we started with the episode.

Today.

I saw a clip from from filming and he walked over to a bunch of fans watching the filming and he's all in uniform and he's you know, he's got the whole thing on and he's he's all waving and everybody and they're like, oh, well he signed this, and he's like, I can't the gloves.

They it'll ruin the gloves with the with the ink.

Sorry.

Yeah, yeah, I'm ready for this movie.

So yeah, because the last Spider Man movie was fun and yeah that's what I think, you know, and plus you'll introduce probably.

I can't wait for him to get his crypto.

Yeah, they're all gonna get cryptos at this point.

Is it's gonna get Spider Pig Spider Pig.

Sure, why not?

Why not?

Why not?

All right?

Well, I think that's pretty much wrapping it up.

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