[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, ends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to another episode of Horror Join Meet Your Maker.

[SPEAKER_01]: Today, we are joined by two guests, which is the first or meet your maker and maybe even horror joint, Brian and I are old and forgetful.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll forgive us.

[SPEAKER_01]: We should go back and check.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, with us today, we have, from Malarky Books, Alan Good, who is one of the editors of Malarky Books, Alan Good, Founders, well, or, yeah, I guess you would say that, awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the authors that Alan's publishing, a horror author, we are really excited to talk about their work today, Lauren Bulger.

[SPEAKER_01]: So welcome, both.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we will start with our usual question, you know, our podcast is about a horror and joy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alan, we know that Blacky doesn't do exclusively horror and in fact, Lauren is one of your few horror authors you said, but, you know, we're going to assume that you have at least some liking of horror or we're going to pretend anyway.

[SPEAKER_01]: and ask you to answer the question of where you see the intersection of horror and joy, born same question to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can start with either of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: We whoever would like to go first.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let Lauren go first because she has more experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's so that's a tough question.

[SPEAKER_03]: I actually I listened to a couple of your episodes just trying to, but it was almost bad because then I was like, oh no, I can't say those things.

[SPEAKER_03]: of joy, just that a lot of times it's easier to find joy when you're young and it kind of makes me think about how a lot of us found or when we were young and then just if you know if it means a lot to us then we try to keep it in our lives as adults but it's a little bit more challenging sometimes you know with with time and trying to remind yourself you know all the stuff that [SPEAKER_03]: brings you joy, kind of get stuck sometimes, and forget to bring that stuff back in.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, but yeah, I think it's like just finding anything with like, you know, finding that thrill and charged moments, and just looking for things that rarely happen or couldn't happen, and then being able to, like, I don't know if there's something about, it's like, [SPEAKER_03]: just watching something horrible, but being able to watch it from a safe place.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't know how to maybe they came out weird, but I don't know those were the things that I was kind of thinking through when I was thinking of joy and horror, because I don't know why, why it's so awesome, but it definitely is awesome.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say that like part of the joy for me is like seeing how people react to like Lauren's books and to you were making this scene, that we call Hellarchy that Lauren was one of the editors of and we're not going to sell like a million copies of any of it, but the people who care about it are like really excited about it and that brings me joy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate both the answers here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Allen, it feels like what you are talking about is the creative process and the reaction by the people that get it, so maybe it's not everybody, but the people that get it and the people that are involved in the creation of this kind of art, it works and it makes sense and it's impactful and it's meaningful and I think that's really important.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Lauren again, I think this is your answer, I know it sometimes feels like you're like, [SPEAKER_00]: and people start to back away a little bit and you're like, yeah, I like it when they, when terrible things happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, that doesn't help at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you meet other people that like horror and it makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's something about that that is inviting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the invitation of horror, I think, is something we've talked a lot about here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Lauren and Alan, both of you, I'm curious how kind of this, the origin story as it were, what's the origin story?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how long have you been writing?

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, you know, there's always this kind of curiosity about what, you know, what it means for writer to be a writer and history usually plays a part of that, is that true for you?

[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, Alan, want to hear about Malarkey, how that came about, if there's, if there's some insight about how that kind of history emerged too.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Lauren, maybe we'll start with you, tell us a little bit about your writing history.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I know the first, I guess I could call the short story, the first one that I wrote, I was in like second grade.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, I think I read, wait till Helen comes, I think it's called by Mary Downing Han, and then I just wrote my little imitation version of that story where like people move into a house that's like, like, [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, that's kind of where it started and it was just kind of just ups and downs where you're like not doing it at all and then you're doing it again then, you know, English degree in school and got to do some like workshops and stuff like that, but here and there was writing like, you know, poetry or short stories and yeah, just it just kept going and wasn't always every day or every week even, but kind of stuck with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of our a lot of writers, you know, that's kind of it we've heard from so many folks about how they start when they're in elementary school and it's a love that gets sort of nurtured along the way and then ends up being something they can still end up doing as adults and I think like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there'd be more joy in the world of more people would have tried to keep those hobbies along the way, rather than just giving up all of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: This kind of what Brian and I are doing here in some ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is part of our job in some ways, but it's also like something that is parallel that allows us to engage with the community in this way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And through that engagement, that's actually how, honestly, I found Malarky and them more in your work as well, was through Blue Sky, which has [SPEAKER_01]: After maybe a slow start, sort of take it off as a replacement to the social media platform formula in his Twitter.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so cool that there are so many independent publishers out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's great that there are venues for these voices to get their voices heard at, because I think like even on the Mollerkey website, you all talk about the big four and how with [SPEAKER_01]: even though you go into Barnes and Noble, or you go into books million, or you go to whatever you're, you know, the big chain bookstores are, and this seems like there's more books than ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a weird contradiction that's seemingly from what publishers say versus what you see when you get into one of these stores.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Alan, maybe with that awkward transition there by me, you could talk a little bit about Mullarky and, you know, the story behind it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a kind of convoluted history.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really plan on any of this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it just kind of started happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was designing my own books and, you know, they looked pretty good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just decided, you know, I had a lot of frustration with [SPEAKER_02]: big publishing and even some smaller independent publishing you know I thought I can do it better than than these other guys and I was completely wrong about that because it's really hard but and we could have folded and collapsed a lot of times at this point but we've had a lot of support from the community and from from writers and readers that's kept us alive but I guess if if you're ever thinking about starting a publishing venture you will not do it better than [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many ways in which I think we look around and say, hey, I could do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get, you get to doing it and you're like, man, there's a lot of stuff I did not know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd glad you're doing it, glad that there are other voices for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: That are, you know, holding up people like Lauren and her work.

[SPEAKER_00]: And other indie presses that are doing this kind of stuff that's more, you know, maybe more creative.

[SPEAKER_00]: More interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you can find it, I mean, this stuff is really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we can transition, learn to your work.

[SPEAKER_00]: We read the berry incidents.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is coming out October 1st.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I didn't really know when I was getting into it first, but it takes, you know, like the horror thing and it takes the sci-fi thing and it kind of blends them together.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of fantasy in there if you, you know, a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a huge fantasy person, so if you're, if you're like down on fantasy, please don't let that scare you away.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of cool elements in this and wanted to know kind of where you were coming from [SPEAKER_00]: And certainly, there's no, I don't intend to mean, like, hey, this is, you know, this is like this other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is like this other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's very much its own thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it felt almost expiles like, and there were times when that kind of vibe hit a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: but are there other things that you were kind of, I don't know, I guess were inspirations or is there something in your life that was inspiring for these kinds of stories?

[SPEAKER_03]: Good questions.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm trying to get myself in the game here because I haven't talked to people like to any degree like out loud so much who have read it or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so X files I haven't rewatched it recently at all, but I loved it when I was younger, so that's awesome, but there are a couple other things like, like, when I mentioned like the Mothman prophecies, that's yeah, like the movie was awesome, but the book was [SPEAKER_03]: one of the scariest things I've ever read that's like, it's by John Keel, so it's kind of like journalistic style is how it's written and it's talking about aliens and your dimensional beings, like just all sorts of crazy stuff and taking like firsthand accounts of people in point pleasant West Virginia right before the bridge collapsed.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's this whole, I don't know why I'm like kind of talking about it assuming everybody is read it, which might not be the case, but [SPEAKER_03]: that's a book that really scared me when I read it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I did channel some of that and then I do definitely dark fantasy for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like, I kind of, when I marketed, I mentioned dark fantasy and I kind of use some Norse gods, but then I take a lot of liberty.

[SPEAKER_03]: But additionally, like, there's a band, the band Ghost is like, I'm a big fan of Ghost, and they have a specific song called Zombie Queen, and it's one of my favorites, so it's sort of like, you know, I use this Norse mythology in the book, but I also kind of like, that's a little bit of inspiration kind of mixed together with it, so yeah, that's kind of, and then like, just world mythology as well, so I used a lot of that stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Barry Vermont.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is a real town Vermont?

[SPEAKER_01]: I have not actually googled it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love stories set in small towns like this that have this paranormal or sort of extra terrestrial element to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brian said expiles.

[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely felt expiles vibes reading this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me almost of some of the, like, the found footage cryptid type films that are out there now, which I'm like an unabashed huge fan of.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know most of these, like there are so many found footage movies out there that are just absolutely awful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I will watch them gladly because I, I just need to know about the frog man, even though, you know, he's just probably a guy in a big rubber suit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or I need to see Mothman, like, [SPEAKER_01]: where we are located, Brian and I are in Central Pennsylvania, but both of us spend time in Pittsburgh, which is not far from West Virginia where the Mothman sightings happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that it's such a cool urban legend that, or maybe it's real, I don't know, I'm not here to yuck other people's yums, absolutely, possibly real.

[SPEAKER_01]: Giant flying, being with wings and red eyes, terrifying.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see that, but also I don't want to go into my own attic most days.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess, [SPEAKER_01]: Thinking about setting this in a small town like this with the history of the rich histories, the characters that you've created, you know, we're not going to give any spoilers, but, you know, the book begins with the funeral, right, like that's kind of where it all starts, what why I guess why like this small town setting first and foremost for a book like this, but then also.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have a character discovering kind of more about her father and the past surrounding her father than she'd ever knew.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like kind of remembering traumas perhaps that she hid.

[SPEAKER_01]: So just can you maybe talk us through that part of that process?

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: So definitely when I before it existed at all, I was kind of like, I want to write my next book and was kind of looking around one of the things I love to do is like look up interesting places and so yeah, Barry Vermont is a real town and it does actually have a cemetery like a cemetery that people will.

[SPEAKER_03]: travel the visit, which is really cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, it's got like a bowling alley that works made out of very great granite.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's got, and then it's got like really huge, just like classical we huge monuments, but it also has like soccer balls.

[SPEAKER_03]: like, you know, different things that are like, or airplanes, like, whoever it is, like, that's what they wanted.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what they got.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just, there's a lot to look at.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's real.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it is actually down the road from the quarry.

[SPEAKER_03]: People working in the quarry will reserve a spot in the cemetery for when.

[SPEAKER_03]: their last, you know, for when they passed away.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was pretty fascinating.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I guess like the whole question with the very incident is like what if the miners like wake up from the dead and go back to work, which hopefully doesn't, doesn't bother any actual residents if they ever see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's that's like kind of how I started with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a horror in itself already, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You imagine, I'm gonna work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do my job.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when I'm dead, I'll get to rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And here we go, we're just imagining.

[SPEAKER_00]: But nope, you don't get to rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to keep working.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the horror of maybe our time right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe our time for a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like this idea of being set in a small town.

[SPEAKER_00]: because of the histories that are there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you mentioned this, you weave together so many different kinds of mythologies.

[SPEAKER_00]: It never feels heavy, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, there's a lot of discovery going on and I think that's really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: It never feels like it's bogged down.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Judaism aspect of it, the funeral.

[SPEAKER_00]: the Norse mythology, the Mothman problem, and Mothman is always so fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter was Mothman for Halloween one year still has this costume that she will wear because it's very warm and very cozy on like a winter night.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you do a really good job with this in terms of weaving this kind of mythology.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'm curious about your approach to mythology, and it seems like you're interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is this something you were an English major, it sounds like, but has mythology, Norse mythology or different kinds of ideologies?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that you've been interested in for a long time?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question.

[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely am interested in it with when it comes to fiction and I have books on it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I'm super, you know, I took a mythology in fairy tales class in school that was really interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I definitely do like it and I think it's really interesting where they intersect.

[SPEAKER_03]: where, you know, you'll see the same kinds of stories in different parts of the world and it's it's really crazy like the world tree.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are so many different cultures that have a world tree.

[SPEAKER_03]: They may name it something else, but they all, you know, they all most most of them are lots of them have it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But just things like that are kind of fascinating to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's that's part of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I do have like a habit with short stories where I just keep writing stories where like a human thinks they're interacting with another human and no it's a it's a god so I probably should stop writing those because that gets repetitive but yeah, I like that kind of idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that element as a mythology using the books are really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I also really like how you're linking places through natural elements, like ecological features.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me put it that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the trees, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's one element here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say more than that, just the trees.

[SPEAKER_01]: And but how like so many places on Earth will see people have kind of built almost sanctuaries or sites of worship [SPEAKER_01]: Things in nature that then like the way it's used the books really cool the way it's almost like got like a roadmap kind of let's put it that way and But without like is that something that you have like had to research?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you just second other thing you're interested in with like nature and trees in the like or or just I'd really like that that use of that so how how did that idea arise?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm trying to remember.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do I even remember how I started writing about?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think, well, I think the main thing I did with the world tree, I think when I found it, when I was researched, I can't quite remember, but something to do with, I was researching online and I was, [SPEAKER_03]: I remember finding the world tree and then finding this whole idea that it connects the underworld to the terrestrial world to the sky and it just sort of connected to characters that are in the book.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of like made them related in a way and it helped [SPEAKER_03]: hint at things that we're going on in the story, help the characters uncover things, but I do think nature's awesome, I mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know like all the names of every tree I see or anything, but I definitely will see something think it's cool and get curious and look it up.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's a lot of fun pulling that into the story, though.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the story showcases a lot of wonder, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So even the way that you talk about Barry Vermont and the monuments, the way that things are built up, the way that human artifacts are integrated with ecological kind of places or even places of wonder, I think there's something really [SPEAKER_00]: important there, especially as, I don't know, I think the story really follows this kind of discovery.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're discovering themselves, right, Kara is discovering herself through her father and her history, but there's also like the quarry aspect of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: feels like there's a tapping into something ancient, and I think for us in our culture, I don't want to speak for you, but my experience of especially American culture is that we don't really have a good grasp of ancient things, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not Greece, and this isn't even speaking to Indigenous populations here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something ancient about the quarry, about rocks, and about digging into the land.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's something really cool there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have not gotten a chance to read kill radio.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is your other book that's out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds really cool, radio directly to hell.

[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in folks if you are listening and you have not read or heard of Lauren Bulger's.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry is it Bulger?

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't ask that question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bulger?

[SPEAKER_00]: Bulger?

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll edit that out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pretend like I need the whole time.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know Lauren Bulger's work, this is I think an author that you really need to get on your radar, very incidents, sci-fi stuff, horror stuff, mythology stuff, fantasy stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there and it's done really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: and kill radio.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all on the top of my TBR now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: And interested a little bit, Alan, if you would, KESN to anything cool that you want to highlight coming out from a larky in the next couple months.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when we have two books coming out the rest of this year, we've got Lauren's book on October 1st and then we have a completely different book called MyArt at Love for the Pencil and its poetry and photography and it really has nothing to do with horror.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it does.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's some like rough stuff in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's some suffering and things like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually, it's a really beautiful book.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm super excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's by Viki now and she just got her copies in the mail today and I'm really jealous because the boxes that are coming to me haven't got here yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's, we've printed it on like super nice paper.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have one print proof.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the most beautiful book at her.

[SPEAKER_02]: scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're really excited about Lauren's book because we've printed 300 copies with bookmobile and so people who pre-order or on the book club are going to get those really nice like first edition copies and not to like disparage the other edition that will exist but the bookmobile first edition will just be a little bit nicer.

[SPEAKER_02]: then mainly after that we just have a couple of scenes and then our first book of 2026 will come out in March and it's also a completely different direction.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a long that's a long story about a...

the author Joshua Chairman Brown describes it as a southern Odyssey and I guess I'll leave it at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to the, I mean, I'm obviously looking forward to my love of the pencil and having read the Barry instance, I mean, I'm looking forward to being released, but I've already read it, so I mean, there's like, I don't know what's that feeling like when you're looking forward to something, but you also have already had that something I'm looking forward to enjoying it again, there we go, we'll use that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the just listters, the Milwaukee Book Club is really awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I belong to it through Patreon and getting like a little surprise package in the mail because you don't really order it as much as you sign up for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the book, like the package, shows up with Kinglood's rag which is one of the zines that Milwaukee does and the stickers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like just phenomenal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really enjoy a little surprise package like that because normally you know I said adult, you get a package like oh great dills or like you know something that's not really mine or something about effect.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, good, since along with King Blood's rag, you talked about, you mentioned Hellarky as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you either Lauren or Alan, if you guys want to talk about that a little bit for our listeners.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I sort of kind of randomly a few years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: The first time we did it, we just took stories from people because books we polished it and we just put it out with them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then the last three years now since then, Lauren Bolivia and Eric have chosen stories for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, so they pick it out and then I put it together as a magazine.

[SPEAKER_02]: This year's gonna be, I think, the best one, fingers crossed.

[SPEAKER_02]: It also gets cursed sometimes the first one that we made, I was printing them all at home, my printer broke, like the day I was supposed to send everything out, and I had to go to Office Depot and pay way too much money to get them printed.

[SPEAKER_02]: This year, the curse was the font disappeared, so I had to redo some of the layout, just disappeared off my computer.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully that's the worst thing that happens this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you lead with that, but you've got a haunted cursed zine, and, you know, it's unfortunate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It causes you more work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lauren, you're welcome to jump into the kind of hierarchy conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to hear your thoughts about that, but I'll also throw out this last question, too, is [SPEAKER_00]: Lauren, for you, is there something that you have recently read watched or played if you're a game player, video games, board games, otherwise, that has generated joy for you, especially in that kind of relationship with horror, so jump into Hellarchy if you'd like, answer this question, or whichever you'd like to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: sure thing yes so one of the things i recently read this is a book that is out i think mid october and i got luck i was lucky enough to get to read it the scald crow by grace daily that is an awesome horror book it is her debut it's like it's actually funny it's laugh out loud funny [SPEAKER_03]: it's gross as hell.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's creepy.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really great story.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's got, it also has like disability rat, which I think a lot of people who identify with that are really enjoying, but it's real cool, and it uses Irish mythology.

[SPEAKER_03]: in the story as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so much fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's got just some weird parts where you're like, oh wow, you went there.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a good book.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that that one I really enjoyed.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other ones I would mention is I guess just a [SPEAKER_03]: Eric Williams book, Toastones, which is a Malarkey book.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am not good at reading short story collections.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read one and be like, that's great.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the same thing with shows.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'll consume like a couple or episodes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll be like, I really enjoyed that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll just stop.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that one I just like read it very quickly all the way through.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's [SPEAKER_03]: He's like kind of a weird horror person.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's a big fan of that, and it really comes across here, but there's also plenty of modern horror stories and it as well, or like kind of a good mix of both.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking here at the cover of Toadston's right now, and this is just a great cover.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like anytime we're gonna have Ronald Reagan being like a giant demon somewhere, I'm here for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think family guy doesn't get a lot of things right, but it definitely got Ronald Reagan right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say thank you all, thank you both for joining us and talking through small presses, the bury incidents with Lauren Bulger out October 1st.

[SPEAKER_00]: The very cool, it's not a subscription model.

[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like it's a club model.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: All of that sounds amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you again for joining us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Check out that from the Larky Books.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, check out the bury incidents [SPEAKER_00]: It's really good folks, really recommend it, and as always, recommend that you find joy, even in horror.

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