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The Girlfriends S3/E7: Going Underground

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Speaker 1

Hey, girlfriends, it's Anna here to let you know what to expect in this episode.

Like with the last episode, this one takes place inside prison.

That'll be mentions of murder as well as domestic and sexual abuse, plus some distressing scenes.

But you'll also hear how Kelly makes a real difference for some of the women of Bedford Hills in true Gailhouse lawyer style, and there's going to be some bad language.

Enjoy.

Kelly Harnett's life changed forever on July seventh, twenty ten, with the death of one man, Reuben Angel Vargas, but his wouldn't be the last death connected to her case.

Speaker 2

The amount of people they have pairsd away within my case, it's just it's very eerie.

First, my trial attorney, who was in his fifties, pairs to away.

Speaker 1

David Epstein.

He died in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2

My call Defennin's ex girlfriend who used to start fistfightsing me every single day in Rikers passed away.

There was a man who was going to write an affid David for me.

He actually physically saw Tommy beating me up all the time.

Speaker 1

I called.

Speaker 2

One night he passed away.

Speaker 3

You can't make these things up.

It's eerie, Yeah, it is.

Arie.

Speaker 1

It's twenty seventeen.

Kelly's been in Bedford Hill's maximum security prison for over two years.

She has ten years left of her sentence.

It's a normal day.

Kelly's in the law library.

She's going through the legal mail when she sees something addressed to her.

It's from a guy called Dan, another house lawyer who Kelly refers to as the male version of her.

The two of them talk on the phone sometimes abouts ideas, around formotions, test their legal arguments on each other, that kind of thing.

Kelly's curious about what Dan sent her.

She rips open the envelope.

Speaker 2

Something pulled the ground from under me.

Speaker 1

It's about her co defendant, an ex boyfriend, Tommy Donovan.

Speaker 2

He died.

Speaker 1

Tommy's died from an overdose in prison.

He was thirty eight years old.

Kelly doesn't know how to feel.

Part of her is relieved the man who terrorized and abused her is dead and can't hurt her anymore.

But she's also pretty fucking furious.

Tommy killed someone in front of her and then helped make sure she got dragged down for it too, and now he's dead.

Never able to give evidence and take back what he said, while she still has ten more years to rot behind bars.

Speaker 2

He got the easy way out.

I did all the suffering.

Speaker 1

One good thing that Tommy did for Kelly, and there aren't a lot of those to choose from, was when he wrote that letter, the one he sent to Kelly's trial lawyer David Epstein, that said he alone killed Angel and that he had only incriminated Kelly out of anger and jealousy.

But now that Tommy's dead, that letter is worth less than the paper it's written on, because now that Tommy's dead, there's nobody else alive who is there on the night of the murder who can attest to Kelly's story in open court.

Speaker 2

Why are people dying?

Why are people dying?

Speaker 1

I'm Anisonfield and from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcasts.

This is the Girlfriend's Gelhouse Lawyer, Episode seven, Going Underground.

People are particular about their birthdays.

Some of my friends are determined to let theirs pass without so much as a hint of fuss.

And then I've got other friends who claim the entire month for celebrations.

I'll probably put myself somewhere in the middle of those two.

However, you spend yours, I think it's fair to say, but it's unlikely you'll be doing it behind bars.

It's the twelfth of August twenty nineteen, Kelly's birthday.

This is the tenth she's had while locked up.

Kelly's thirty eight today, about the same age Tommy Donovan was when he died two years earlier.

There's only so much you can do to celebrate whilst you're in prison.

It's not like you can quickly nip out to Costco for a big cake, and even if you could, the guards would probably end up tearing it apart looking for rogue nail files.

But Kelly's Bedford family does try and make things special for her.

One year, one of Kelly's friends goes around the prison and gets loads of women to write down some nice things about Kelly.

Then they put all the notes into a hot pink, sparkly folder and give it to Kelly as a present.

They bake her a cake and throw her a party.

Kelly says it's the best birthday she's ever had in or out of prison.

Something special about this birthday, her thirty eighth.

For years, Kelly's been fighting for her clients with one arm tied behind her back, two arms.

Sometimes getting verdicts overturned, cases reopened, and women out of prison, even for an established lawyer on the outside is extremely hard and very rare.

For the women of Bedford, the law just isn't always on their side.

But here's the thing.

Laws change and a new one has just come into effect.

It's called the DVSJA, also known as.

Speaker 2

The Domestic Violence Survivor is Justice Act.

So I had been studying this bill for ten years since Ryker's Island.

Speaker 1

The DVSJA, or an early version of it, was dreamt up by the women of Bedford Penitentiary all the way back in the eighties and now in twenty nineteen.

It's law is designed to be applied in resentencing motions.

It's meant to be used for the people who are already in prison.

In practice, it gets judges more opportunities to consider how domestic abuse might have factored into someone's crime in a way that wasn't considered at an earlier trial, and then that judge can give out a new sentence.

Speaker 2

In order to submit a DVSJA, you had to be incarcerated for at least eight years you had to be a victim of domestic violence, the domestic violence had to have been a significant kinshiputing factor of the crime, and the third prong is based on the history of the character and the condition of the defendant that this sentence imposed wasn't Julie Harsh.

Speaker 1

Kelly was really lost when she first got removed from her job in the law library in late twenty eighteen.

She saw it as a retaliation from the prison Service for reporting the officer she'd been having that secret inappropriate relationship with.

Kelly does get her job back at one point, but then she's told that she's going to be removed again, this time because of a new rule saying that an inmate can't be in the same job for more than thirty six months and that you need to wait a full calendar year before getting that job back again.

Kelly's furious about it, and she's not alone.

Her fellow inmates really don't want her to be removed either.

They rally behind her, sending letters of support to the prison.

Speaker 2

I have some of the letters myself, and some of them are heartbreaking.

Speaker 1

I've seen some of these letters.

There's so many, and you do really get the sense of how much Kelly means to the women she's been helping.

One of them says, I'd lost all hope in the judicial system until Kelly Harnett arrived.

Miss Harnette has given me hope towards the future.

I fully trust Miss Harnette with my life, and her possible removal will, in all likelihood take any hope that I have left.

As Kelly runs out the clock on her job, she's studying the new Domestic Violence Survivors Justice Act.

Because this is a brand new law, there's no existing template to follow when it comes to filing motions, so Kelly makes one.

Speaker 2

When I made this template, I started asking people if they were victims of domestic violence.

It was on my birthday, on the very first day that it passed, there was a girl that came into pick up meal.

Speaker 1

We'll call this girl Jessica.

On Kelly's birthday in August twenty nineteen, which of course she's spending in the law library while she still can.

She bumps into Jessica.

Speaker 2

She was like, hi, Kelly, And when she was walking out, I said, wait, Kim, here, were you a victim of domestic violence?

And she was like yeah, And then I said listen, this new lawg just pissed.

Speaker 1

Kelly breaks down the workings of the DVSJA.

Next, she works up a motion for Jessica and it struckt her on how to submit it.

Speaker 2

Now, before you know it, the girl has a court date.

Yeah, she's screaming, I'm.

Speaker 4

Going a court.

Speaker 2

I was so happy because you never really saw people go to court in Bedford.

Like when someone went to court, the whole place would know about it because it's such big news.

And she went to court.

She came back for like a day and she was gone.

Speaker 1

She went home.

When Kelly first came to Bedford, she promised herself that she would be the first jailhouse lawyer to get someone out of prison.

And now, finally, after years and years of graft, she's done it.

But why stop at just one?

In addition to Jessica, Kelly says that she helps at least two more women get out.

One will called Stacy and the other will call Mikayla.

Another of the many women that Kelly helps is an old friend from Rikers, Tasha.

It's not her real name, but it's what we're calling her.

You first met her back in episode four.

Like Kelly, Tasha had witnessed her then boyfriend commit a murder, but she ended up in prison for it as well.

She came to Bedford from Rikers in twenty eighteen without much hope for her future.

Speaker 5

So I just have been I've seen her one day in a walk week and I've seen I was like, oh my.

Speaker 1

God, Kelly Tasha had just received some bad news about her case.

Speaker 4

He said, I can appeal it.

She said, yes, you can.

She told me what to do, she wrote it down.

I did it.

Speaker 5

I submitted it and it was accepted.

And these people told me I could doing a pill.

That letter got me the legal aid lawyer.

Speaker 4

Now I'm excited.

I got a lawyer.

My first time sitting with him.

Speaker 5

He's going very impressed on you know your pill people broke you stay in low library alert and said, nope, somebody did it for me.

Speaker 1

Kelly has an inmate client waiting list as long as her arm.

She's getting through each of them as quick as she can.

But she's not prepared to do a rush job.

Firstly because Kelly is nothing if not a perfectionist, but also because she knows how high the stakes are.

One of the next thing makes Kelly helps is a woman called Lulu.

Speaker 2

We started out Lulu and I very slowly because I had so many other people that I was assisting.

However, what made me put like bump her up on the list was her perseverance.

Lulu came to the law library more often than anyone that I knew, and she stayed for what they called the whole module, because some people go and within an hour they say movement, and everybody gets up and they can leave if they want.

But she would stay for the entire module.

We were in the process of actually reaching out to her attorney.

Speaker 1

But just as Kelly is starting to make progress, and as Lulu must allow herself to imagine the light at the end of the tunnel, there's a dark shadow growing outside the walls of Bedford Hills.

This shadow will morph and swell, and neither Lulu, Kelly, or even the justice system itself will be powerful enough to stop it.

Speaker 2

I didn't even get to finish the latter, and there was.

Speaker 1

It before we go any further.

There's some things I want to tell you about Lulu.

Her real name is Darlene, but she's Lulu to her friends.

She was born in Buffalo, New York, in nineteen fifty eight and she was one of thirteen children.

Her story is like a really tragic case.

Speaker 4

It really is.

Speaker 1

Lulu was a victim of childhood sexual abuse and then when she was around just eight years old, her mother was murdered.

Speaker 2

I started getting acquainted first with her story.

It was complete heartbreaking.

She kind of had to play the mother role for many of her siblings.

She had suffered throughout her childhood just to eat a regular meal, and when she got older, unfortunately, she had gotten into drugs.

However, the person that she was in a relationship with was abusing.

Speaker 1

Her and.

Speaker 2

She felt that she was trapped in this abusive relationship.

Speaker 1

According to Lulu, one night, a group of men turned up at the house she shared with her partner.

They were after money owed for drugs.

Lulu said they knocked her out and when she came to, she saw her partner had been stabbed.

Lulu ended up being arrested and charged for his death, and apparently, just like Kelly, had given police statements while extremely intoxicated.

Terrified at the prospect of serving twenty five years, Lulu took a plea deal.

Back in twenty twelve, she pled guilty to first agree manslaughter and was sentenced to twelve years in prison.

Speaker 2

When I heard that she took a plea bargain, I realized she did not have effective representation of counsel because this was a clear defense.

Speaker 1

Kelly believes that Lulu should have had the chance to speak in court about what she'd been through.

Speaker 2

I believe that if they heard lu story that they would have found her not guilty.

Speaker 1

She should not be here.

Speaker 2

This is not right.

Speaker 1

By the time Kelly starts working on her case, Lulu's being locked up for over seven years.

Kelly's heartbroken by Lulu's story and impressed with her dedication despite all her challenges.

Speaker 2

Lulu she was struggling as far as her education.

I don't think she went very far in school because she had so many things that she had to do at home for her family.

Speaker 1

After bumping Lulu up her list, Kellyan was to file something called a four forty ten.

It's a motion that challenges the fairness or legality of a conviction, and if successful, it can overturn a court judgment.

But first they need to check in with Lulu's original lawyer.

Kelly wants to ask him to sign an affi david, which is another word for a written statement.

The aim is to find out if and why he advised Lulu to plead out.

Speaker 2

I did not want the four forty to be denied, but if I could get an effort David from him, that's a piece of evidence.

Speaker 1

But it all comes too late, because it's now March twenty twenty and the entire world is shutting down as a global pandemic is on the rampage.

On the sixteenth of March, Bedford Hills locks down from COVID nineteen.

The inmates are kept in their cells for twenty three hours a day.

The work Kelly and Lulu are doing comes to an abrupt stop.

On March twentieth, Lulu sends a message to her sister.

She thanks her for sending a care package and asks her to make sure her kids are continuously washing their hands and face.

COVID nineteen tears through Bedford Hills.

As infection rates surge all around her, Lulu starts to panic.

Lulu has chronic kidney disease and an underlying heart condition.

She's recently had open heart surgery.

On March twenty eighth, Lulu sends another message to her sister, begging her to do all she can to raise the alarm with the higher ups in the prison.

She says, I cannot afford to get this virus.

It may kill me.

Please help.

Lulu tests positive for COVID in early April twenty twenty.

Fellow inmates say she's been lying in her cell for days, barely able to move.

On April seventh, she's taken to the Bedford Infirmary and then to the hospital, where she's placed on a ventilator.

One of Lulu's friends says her family requests a video call, but that the on duty officer guarding Lulu in the hospital refuses.

Her family eventually convinced the doctor to hold the phone to her ear so they can say goodbye.

Lulu dies alone in hospital on April twenty eighth, twenty twenty, sixty one years old.

She's the first incarcerated woman in the state of New York to die from COVID nineteen and if you ask Kelly, she shouldn't have even been there in the first place.

Do you remember the first time you learned that she had died.

Speaker 2

I don't remember the date, but we cried like babies the usual circumstances when somebody passes away.

We have like a memorial for them in the church, but because of COVID, we couldn't even have that.

I'm not gonna say I was her best friend, but I mean that hit home because I felt guilty.

I felt like the way.

Speaker 1

She died in a hospital, she couldn't even talk to her family.

That it just breaks my heart.

If I got routes, I don't know.

Speaker 2

What all those times that she came there, like, why didn't I take her first?

Speaker 1

Maybe she could have been all before COVID, and maybe she would have still been alive.

You'd think that seeing Lulu pass away from COVID would have made Kelly a hundred times more hyper vigilant about staying safe, but if anything, it's the opposite.

Due to the lockdown, the law library is closed.

They've also taken away access to the computer tablets that the inmates can use to work on their cases.

The only place where you can still use these tablets is in the infirmary.

I can only imagine that after seeing so many people die, not just those connected to her own case but beyond, Kelly just becomes even more desperate to secure her freedom before her own time runs out, no matter the cost.

So she does something extremely reckless.

Speaker 2

I said, I have to catch COVID.

I was telling people to cough in my face.

I was purposely telling people, like after they're drinking something, I said, can you just leave me a little sip of the drink out of your cup?

And finally, I actually really didn't feel well.

Speaker 1

She takes a test just to be sure.

Speaker 2

Of course it was positive.

Speaker 1

Now that she successfully infected herself, Kelly has her ticket to the infirmary, but before that, she heads back to herself to pick up the stuff she wants to take in with her.

Speaker 2

I had two enormous garbage bags worth of paperwork.

Right away, they stopped me and they want to know where the hell I think I'm going with two bags of paperwork, And I said, I'm going to the infirmary because I tested positive.

And they're trying to say I'm not allowed to bring the paperwork, which is a lie, because I clearly I have the directive memorize you are allowed to bring paperwork.

I threw the paperwork down and I just laid across.

I put one arm on one big and one arm on the other.

I said, I'm not going into my cell.

I'm pulling my mask off.

You stay the hell away from me.

Anybody comes near me and I'm going to go off all over all of you, all of you.

And it was so scared.

Speaker 1

It was scared to death.

Speaker 2

This went on for eight hours.

So because of the fact that it went on for eight hours, somebody finally said just let her take it, so thank god.

So I took the paperwork eight hours later, and god, it was so heavy, and I realized I was like, I was.

Speaker 6

Like Jesus, I couldn't breathe.

I couldn't breathe.

Now, the infirmary is quite a walk away, so you always know who has COVID when they're being escorted.

Speaker 1

Especially with their property.

Speaker 2

So I have half the yard run up to me.

Esquire, Esquire, oh no, esqt library, all the library.

Speaker 4

But I couldn't even look at them.

Speaker 2

I was watching the cracks in the grounds and like I was starting to get tunnel vision because it was so heavy and I couldn't breathe.

And I remember looking at the cracks in the grounds and saying, I think I'm gonna die here.

And I said, if I die here, you know what.

I died fighting.

Speaker 1

Obviously, Kelly did not die from COVID nineteen, she makes a full recovery and as for the work she's doing, paying off her friend, Tasha is being resentenced.

Speaker 4

I was, oh my god.

Speaker 5

I was happy and scared and nervous.

I think I was maybe the third person in Bedford to get resentencing.

Speaker 1

This resentencing means that Tasha is getting out.

She's one of at least four people Kelly says she's helped regain their freedom.

The night before Tasha's resentencing in July twenty twenty one, her and Kelly are hanging out in one of the yards.

Speaker 2

She said, Kelly, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be walking out of these doors tomorrow.

I said, oh, you probably would at some point she said no, no, I'm telling you I'd be doing I don't know, twenty years or whatever.

Speaker 5

They got old Kelly the most everything with my every being, because if it wasn't for her, I probably would never have gone back to the lower Library.

Speaker 4

To try to find, you know, fight my way out.

Speaker 5

A lord is say they're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

Speaker 1

The next morning, Kelly watches from her cell as her friendly Spadford.

Speaker 2

Behind standing on my window.

I looked up and I saw her going up the hill.

I watched and I started to cry.

I was happy for her, but I was like, I wish that was me.

I wish that was me, And I guess God heard that.

Speaker 1

Kelly Hannett was officially removed from her job in the Bedford Hills Law Library in April twenty twenty.

She's still allowed to go in there, but she's not allowed to give legal help with cases anymore.

Speaker 2

The law library was like driven into the ground after I left.

Speaker 1

After losing the battle to keep working in the law library, Kelly finally admits defeat.

She stops taking clients and hangs up her jailhouse lawyer boots for good.

Now I'm only taking the piss.

The law is the true love of Kelly Harnett's life, and she's not going to give it up for anyone.

And so, dear listener, I'm excited to welcome you to Kelly Hannett's underground law library.

Speaker 2

I just helping people on the unit.

I started helping people in the yards.

I helped people, no joke, in snowstorms, and I'm not even.

Speaker 1

Kidding it was it got bared one rainy day Kelly's in the prison yard doing some secrets prison rule breaking door work for one of her inmate clients.

Speaker 2

They sold ponchos in the commissary.

We had girls holding two ponchos over us because the girl whose federal habeist I didn't finish, she had like two days left, so they held it over us so that we could finish it.

Speaker 1

While I was boring.

I mean, if I was an officer and I saw that, I would have thought much worse things were happening underneath.

Speaker 5

Oh that yeah.

Speaker 2

Well they checked it out though, and they said, oh, that's just Harnett, that's little library.

Then they started searching my cell, ripping it apart, looking for other people's law papers.

But I was never stupid enough to keep anyone's legal papers.

Every time I finished helping them, I get them right back to them and say go ahead, I'll meet you on another day.

Speaker 1

Kelly's jail house lawyer reputation is so secure that even when she's not in the law library anymore, people know she's the person to come to.

And now with the vital tool of the Domestic Violence Survivors Justice Act in her back pocket, it seems like she's unstoppable.

One day, Kelly heads into a place called the day Room.

It's on the on a floor where Kelly stays.

It's a section of the prison you get access to if you have consistent good behavior or if you keep your clandesign Law Library operation under wraps.

And in there she finds someone we're calling Tina, who's playing cards with some of the other women on the floor.

Tina has been in prison since twenty sixteen.

She suffered a lifetime of abuse from family members, previous partner, and others.

One terrible night, following a drug relapse, she violently attacked her then boyfriend.

She was found guilty of attempted murder.

Kelly and Tina get to talking about what Kelly's been up to in and out of the law library.

Speaker 7

She started telling me, you know how many people she's helped along the way in how many you know appeals she has put in for individuals.

Speaker 1

And I'm just listening to her.

Tina is a little different from most of the other women Kelly deals with.

She doesn't need Kelly's help.

She already has a lawyer fighting her corner.

Speaker 7

I'm not thinking of her helping me.

I'm thinking of me helping her, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna reach out to the lawyer that's helping me, is you know, see what she can do or if she's willing to take on this case.

Speaker 1

The lawyer's name is Kate Mogolescu.

Speaker 7

Kate was more than willing, and she was like, yeah, sure, i'll you know, I'll look it up.

Speaker 4

I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 7

And eventually she did that and she took on Kelly's case.

Speaker 2

I had a phone call with Kate mogula school and Kate asked me, Kelly, would you like to write your own motion?

And I thought that was so cool and I would love to write my own motion and I said yes, absolutely.

It wasn't until after she asked me that that I realized, wait a minute, I can't just jump on this like every single other statute and motion and case.

This is very different.

This is where emotions meet the law.

Speaker 1

Kelly writes and writes, pouring her heart into each page.

She's constructing what's called the narrative, sharing the abuses and trauma she suffered throughout her life, making the court see how all built up to the one final catastrophic event that put her behind bars.

Once she's done, she hands it over to Kate, who tweaks it and submits it, and then they wait a few months.

After their submission, a response comes through.

Speaker 2

Keith said to me, they're allowing you to replee.

She said fifteen years, but I was at thirteen.

Speaker 1

I said no.

Speaker 2

I said, it's time serves or nothing.

Speaker 1

Kelly's lost too many years already, so she tells Kate to go back and fight.

Speaker 2

I just felt it.

Speaker 1

One day, Kelly practically leaps out of her cell and starts booking it to the law library.

Speaker 2

I ran so that I could be the first one in the kiask.

I jumped on, I put my numbers in.

Speaker 1

She has a message.

Speaker 2

And I was from Kate.

She said, Kelly, they gave you time served.

You got it, Congratulations And I just started screaming.

Speaker 1

I was like.

Speaker 2

And my best friends knew what was going on, so they were like, you got it.

Speaker 4

I was like, I got it.

I'm going home.

Speaker 2

People started pounding on their doors.

Speaker 4

Let me out, Let me out, so.

Speaker 2

That everybody came out from inside.

They all just stood there and clacked for me.

We ran into the phone room and I said, here's the phone call for years I've been going over this phone call in my head.

Speaker 1

The phone called her brother, Ronnie and their mother.

Speaker 2

I get to call them up and scream on coming on.

Speaker 1

Kelly dials the number, her fingers shaking.

Speaker 2

I said Hi, Ronnie, and he's like hi, and I said, right, I'm coming on.

He said, oh my god, Kelly, thank god.

But I'm like, why is he sounding like you?

Normally Ronnie would be screaming, but he's whispering.

Speaker 4

So I said till I.

Speaker 2

And he said, no, Oh, I can't Kelly.

Speaker 4

She's sleeping.

Speaker 2

And I said, Ronnie, I'm coming home from prison.

Speaker 1

Wake her up.

Speaker 2

And he was like, Kelly, she can't talk.

And I said, what do you mean she can't talk.

I just spoke to her Ronnie the day before last.

He said, I know, I don't know what's wrong with her.

She cannot speak.

I don't know what to do with her.

Every time I tell her I'm gonna call nine one one, she shakes it.

No, no, no, So I don't know what to do.

So I told Ronnie put me on speaker and wake her up, and he did that, and I said.

Speaker 4

Mom, I'm coming home.

I'm coming home.

Speaker 1

Kelly's mom doesn't reply.

Speaker 2

I said, Ronnie, is she reacting?

What is she doing?

He said, she gave a thumbs up and like that broke my hell.

I said, oh my god, my mother's dying.

Speaker 1

After serving twelve years helping at least four other women get out of prison, Kelly Harnett has finally finally won her own freedom.

The day she'll get to walk out of Bedford Prison is just around the corner.

But it might have come too late for her mother, Kathleen.

Speaker 2

I needed to get out.

It was a race against time, now.

Speaker 1

Next time.

On the final episode of The Girlfriend's Gel House Lawyer.

Speaker 2

And when it came out of the yeats, I remember a screaming and going and putting my arms in the air.

When I looked at her eyes, I said, that's my mother.

I couldn't believe for our scene and Sam stated, I don't know where I stand with anything.

Speaker 4

Will they put me in prison?

Speaker 2

They put everybody in prison.

Really, it's over, It's over?

Speaker 1

Is it over?

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