Episode Transcript
Hey, it's Nikki, the host of The Girlfriend's Untouchable.
I'm so glad that you've chosen to listen to this story about my hometown, Kansas City, Kansas.
But I just wanted to give you a heads up that this episode will touch on some difficult topics including violence, murder, suicide, and sexual assault.
And there are a handful of cus words too, So if you or someone you love has been affected by any of the themes in the show, we've left some links in the description that offer resources and support take care of yourself.
The summer of nineteen ninety four felt like it would last forever.
The days were either marked by glaring sunlight or the kind of thunderstorms that cloaked Kansas City in an ominous fog.
But the weather paled in comparison to the grief casting a shadow over Nico Quinn's life in the months following her cousin Danielle's murder.
Speaker 2It was like it was a dark cloud over us all and nobody really didn't say too much about it.
Everybody just drank.
I thought by drinking that it would make me forget or make me feel like it's a.
Speaker 1Dream, But it wasn't.
After the brutal shooting, Nico had been relocated to a housing complex, but she was surrounded by the men she thought were responsible.
Nico was trying to move through the grief by spending time with her family when she got an unexpected call.
Speaker 2My cousin called and was like, Hey, this white lady came down here and two white men.
Speaker 1He told her that at least one of them was a police officer.
I said what he said, Yeah, I got a card here for you.
I got two of them.
You need to come down here and get in touch these folks.
And I'm like, all right, bo, I'll be down there.
Speaker 2So I drove down there and got the cards and it was terrim word Head and Galuski's car.
Speaker 1Glupski is the police officer investigating Danielle and Donnie's murders in Terra Moorehead in nineteen ninety four.
She's an assistant District Attorney for Wandotte County in Kansas City, Kansas.
Nico drives across town and makes her way to the DA's office.
It's a brick building with a circular drive.
She walks through the glass lighting doors and makes her way down the hallway until she finds her seat.
Speaker 2I was sitting here waiting on her.
She made me sit there in that waiting area for maybe like hour hour and a half.
Speaker 1Eventually, Nico is shown into a conference room.
Speaker 2It was just a table and chairs in there, a white room and pictures and documents on the table.
Speaker 1Seated on the other side as a smartly dressed woman.
Speaker 2She was skinny, had a suit on like a blazer, heels, She had blonde hair, a pointing nose, a long chin.
Speaker 1Assistant District Attorney Tara Moorehead.
Nico had no reason to be afraid of her, but she remembers more Head laying photos out in front of her.
They gave her a chill.
Speaker 2These pictures was the crime scene.
Speaker 1Of her cousin, Donielle's murder.
Speaker 2Half his face was gone.
I told her, I don't need to see them pictures because I've seen it when it happened.
Speaker 1There are other pictures of Mennica recognizes.
Speaker 2Pictures of my cousins and then of my uncle.
Speaker 1And a photo of the boy they arrested for the double murder, local school kid, LaMotte McIntyre.
Speaker 2And that's what she started telling me, that they had all the evidence.
Knowing that Lamon did it.
They had his clobe, they had the gun, they had all this the same Rigamunrod that Gluski told me.
She asked me, wasn't not tired of losing my loved ones and don't not want somebody hell responsible for killing my cousin?
And Lamont did it?
I said, we know who did it.
And I told her Monster.
Speaker 1One of the dealers who had allegedly attacked Danielle just stays before his murder.
Speaker 2At first, she tried to draw me in like she was my friend or like she cared.
And she said, well, no, we got evidence.
We know this guy did it.
We have the clothing, we have the gun, we have all this evidence.
And I said, we don't care what you got.
So when she showed me the picture of Lamont, I said, no, he didn't do it, and she said her little spill, and I left and I went home.
Speaker 1Nico was confused.
Why were they so insistent on saying that LaMonte McIntyre was the killer.
According to Nico, Moorehead called her back into her office once the date for the preliminary hearing was set.
Speaker 2So I had to go up there again and sit with her, and same thing same spiel about who did it.
Speaker 1This time?
Nico recalls that Morehead looked at her and said, you.
Speaker 2Love your kids, right, Well, if you don't do what I tell you to do, I will go get your kids and I'll throw you in jail.
Do you want to see your kids again?
And then that's when the venom came out.
I call her a cobra.
She went from being this kind person to being Eveline in two point two seconds when I didn't give her or tell her what she wanted.
Oh God, why got I?
Speaker 3God?
Speaker 1I'm Nikki Richardson from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcast.
This is the girlfriend's untouchable and I got you a day.
Speaker 4God, I'm a.
Speaker 1I got you a episode two, So help me, God, I got you.
And in June nineteen ninety four, seventeen year old LaMotte McIntyre was in handcuffs.
Instead of getting ready to go back to school, he was stepping into the county courthouse because he had been charged with a double homicide.
Speaker 5So I had a pluminary here and come up.
Speaker 3That's the hearing where they see what kind of evidence they got on you to bound you over a trial, or if there's enough evidence to hold your charge of whatever you say you charged with.
Speaker 1Overlooking the court was a public gallery.
It kind of looked like a row of church pews facing the direction of the judge.
The prosecutor eighty A.
Tarr Moorehead sat on one side, and the defendant McIntyre and his attorney sat on the other.
Speaker 3I had all my family behind me, and my father, my uncles and my cousins.
Everybody was there.
That was my first plamb there here.
That was my first time in that situation.
Speaker 1Lamont had watched films and TV shows set in court rooms, so he thought he knew what to expect.
He thought he would hear the prosecutor deliver a compelling argument followed by some kind of evidence tying him to the crime.
But that's not how it went down.
Speaker 3But plumin in hearing was like it was a play and I was the only one that didn't get a script.
Speaker 1There were glaring plot holes, like the fact that the prosecution didn't appear to have any physical evidence.
Speaker 3I didn't have no way of trying to identify what was going on with me.
It was just happening and I couldn't stop it, and it was just confusing.
Speaker 5And my lawyers like, is anybody can put you in the scene the crime.
Speaker 3I'm like, man, listen, I don't know the scene of the crime, and it is nobody can put me in nowhere because I don't have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1According to the prosecution, there were two witnesses who could Lamont watched on as a black woman in her early twenties walked into the courtroom.
She looked nervous and kept her head down.
The judge turned to Lamont and.
Speaker 5He said, do you know this lady?
I said no, I, oh no the lady.
Speaker 1That lady was Nico Quinn.
Speaker 2I was very nervous because I've never had to sit there and do anything like that.
Speaker 1It was Nico's first time seeing Lama in person.
Speaker 2Only time I seen Lamont was on pictures.
And when I first seen him physically and I seen him at that table, I said, this dude is too tall and his ears is too big.
He couldn't have hidden them ears under that head.
Speaker 1Nico knew the prosecution was going to ask her to pick out the man arrested on suspicion of murder, but now that she's seen Lamont in real life, she knew for certain that he wasn't the man who had shot her cousin.
Nico had to find Tara Moorehead and tell her that this was all a big mistake.
In the recess, she went to go and find the prosecutor in her room nearby.
Morehead wasn't alone.
There were police officers in the room, but Nico still opened up about her reservations.
Speaker 2I said, the person that killed my cousins, you could see this much of they head over the car.
They was the tall person.
That was a short person that killed him.
And I kept telling her that, and she pushed for that Lamont was the one, and the other detectives kept saying Lamont did it.
And I can tell no, he's too tall and his ears are too big.
That was always my rebuttal to her.
Speaker 1According to Nico, Moore had didn't want to know.
Speaker 2That's when she threatened me again that she was gonna throw my black ass in jail.
She'll send the police to go get my kids, and I'll never see him again.
Speaker 1Moore had allegedly threatened to charge Nico with contempt of court if she didn't comply.
Speaker 2She crossed her hands like this, and she looked over at the officers, and she looked at me like, would I say, what did I just tell you?
And I cried because I was upset.
If I didn't say, Lamont killed my cousin.
I will not see my kids again ever, And like I tell her, you can throw me in jail.
All that matters to me is my children.
The only love I had was the love for my children, and I was not finna give that up for nobody.
Speaker 1When the recess ends, Nico is called in the court.
She glances over at Morehead.
Her head is spinning.
The woman before her is wealthy, respected, and well educated.
Who was going to believe a twenty one year old single mother from Quendero over an assistant district attorney.
Speaker 2I was young, I was in the streets.
I wasn't educated on the law.
I wasn't educated on a lot of things.
I had street smarts, but I didn't know that this woman could legally do this to me.
Speaker 1After what feels like a lifetime, Nico's called to testify.
She stands up and walks across the room, each step heavier than the one before.
Speaker 2I walked so slow up there because I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1She puts her hand on a Bible and the oath is read out.
Speaker 2Do you swear to tell the truth or not?
But the truth?
So help you God, I said, I do.
Speaker 1Nico looks across the courtroom sees Lamont, his family, the police officers and more.
Speaker 2Had she asked me to point to him on this day, didn't you say this person killed your cousins?
And I looked at her because I never said that Lamon killed my cousin.
Never.
She put her hand on her hip and she looked at me.
She looked over the detectives like I can send them right now to go get your kids.
Everything in me was saying tell the truth, tell the truth, tell the truth.
And I know it wasn't nothing, but the Holy Spirit tells me to tell the truth.
But at that time I didn't understand those feelings.
The only thing I could see was my children.
And did I want to be explaining twenty plus years letter to my children that I chose to tell the truth to lose y'all.
I'm praying Father, forgive me, forgive me.
Speaker 5She looked up at me and she pointed at me and said, that's him.
Speaker 2I said, yes, on this day, that's who I said.
Speaker 3I felt like I was dreaming.
At that moment, I felt like that wasn't me sitting there.
I felt uneasy, felt weird.
It's like I was watching somebody else's life unravel like that.
Speaker 5It wasn't mine.
Speaker 2Lama was looking at me like I didn't do it, And when he stood up, I just cried.
I just cried, and I asked God to forgive me because I just ruined this man's life.
Speaker 1Another witness takes the stand, Nico's neighbor, the one who called out Lamont at the murder scene.
Speaker 5She come on the stand.
Don't look at me.
Speaker 3She sits down, and the judge asked her, do you see the man in the court room the committed the crime.
For the first time, she looked up at me and pointed at me.
And I was looking at her like so she can get a good look at my face, like do you see?
And she seen me and pointed at me and said that's him.
And that's when I said, oh man, something's going on.
Speaker 1The courthouse erupts.
Speaker 3My whole family was like going crazy, like what's going on?
Some day line was going on.
Speaker 1Lamont's family had gone into court believing in him, but with two witnesses to the crime testifying against him, The room takes on an uneasy atmosphere.
Speaker 3They were shocked, I think after they seen the preliminate hand.
Most of my family probably lost hope and faith in me after that, because after that it was like they probably believed I probably did do that.
Speaker 1But there's one person in the room who refuses to doubt Lamont's innocence, his mother Rose.
As she watches the courthouse descend into chaos, she's reminded of a memory she had tried her best to forget, a traumatizing event from her past that she thinks is coming back to haunt her because years earlier, Rose had got caught up in the clutches of a predator, and it looks like that man, that police officer, has been following her and her family all along.
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It's the late eighties in Kansas City, Kansas.
Rose McIntyre is a devoted mother of five, but she also loves going out into the town to dance and let loose with her boyfriend Greg.
After a fun night out at a local club, she and Greg park up on the side of the road.
Rose sees a figure approaching them.
A flashlight shines through the window of the car.
It's a police officer.
Rose says.
He showed them his badge and told them his name, Detective Roger Glubski.
Rose has given permission for her words to be read by an actor as she describes what happened to her next.
Speaker 4Detective Glupski ordered me to get out of the car and come back to his car, which was parked right behind.
I was too scared to say anything, but Greg became very upset, saying to Gelupski, what are you doing?
This is my girlfriend.
Speaker 1Detective Gulupski threatened Greg, telling him that he would get arrested if he didn't shut up.
Terrified and not knowing what to do, Rose followed Gulupski's directions to go and sit in the passenger seat in his unmarked police car.
Speaker 4Glupski told me I was a nice looking lady, then made clear that he expected to get sexual favors from me.
I felt frightened and powerless.
He told her that if she didn't want Greg to be arrested, she had to meet him at the police station the next day.
Told me to come late between nine and ten pm, and I did as he said.
I was stunned and terrified, but I felt powerless to say no.
Speaker 1So the next evening, she drives across the city and down Minnesota Avenue to the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department.
It's a big brick building with marble pillars at the entrance and tall windows up above.
An officer who was minding the desk buzzed her in.
Speaker 4Kilyupski's office was right by the door, and I went in.
He shut the door behind me.
Gellupski then sat down behind his desk.
He began talking and told me he liked black women.
He said he could make it hard or make it light for me, and that things would go better for me if I complied.
At that point, he slid his chair out from behind the desk and turned the lights out.
According to Rose, Glupski sexually assaulted her.
It's horrible.
She's too scared of how he might retaliate to try and fight back, but she feels a flash of hope when she notices the office door opening.
A crack of light enters the room.
I saw a white uniformed officer in the doorway.
Speaker 1For a moment, it seems like somebody might intervene, But.
Speaker 4When the officer saw Gallupski and me.
He simply backed out and shut the door.
Gelupski never stopped what he was doing, and the officer himself did not act surprised.
Although there were other police around, no one came to my assistance.
Speaker 1Eventually it ended Gallupski let go, but Rose's ordeal wasn't over.
Speaker 4He told me that he wanted an ongoing sexual relationship with me.
As soon as as Klyupski said I could leave, I left.
I was terrified and sick to my stomach and wanted to get home as fast as I could.
I felt dirty and totally humiliated.
A man who had total power over me had treated me like a whore and forced me to submit to his sexual desires.
I kept what happened to myself.
Speaker 1Rose couldn't tell her boyfriend because she worried that Kolyubski might arrest him if she spoke out.
She was too scared to tell her friends and family because she feared what might happen if they ended up on Glupski's radar, and she couldn't report what had happened to the authorities because Gallupski was the authority.
Speaker 4After that awful day, Klupski harassed me for weeks, often calling me two or three times a day.
He told me that he wanted me to come back to his office.
He wanted to do it again with me, and wanted me to be his woman.
I dreaded Klupski's calls and continued to fear him, but sometimes I would talk to him on the phone just to play k him so he would not force me to come back down to see him at the police station.
He had total power, and I was terrified that he would try to force me again to provide sexual favors.
Speaker 1After a few months of what Rose recalls as near constant harassment, she found a way to break free.
She relocated, changed her phone number, and tried her best to move on.
She focused her energy on being a good mother to her children and dedicated her time to rebuilding her life.
After a few years passed without seeing Gelupski, Rose thought she was in the clear, but then in nineteen ninety four, he forced his way back into her life by arresting her son Lamont.
Lamont's preliminary hearing took place in June and the case to trial in the fall.
It was a harrowing experience for him and his entire family, but the process was especially tough on Rose.
Speaker 4I sat in the hallway the entire time.
Both sides had named me as a witness, so I was not allowed to be.
Speaker 1In the courtroom, but neither side ended up calling her to testify.
Speaker 4So I ended up being isolated for no reason.
Sitting in the hallway during the trial was horrible.
I felt very scared and worried.
Speaker 1The trial lasted four days and then the jury went to deliberate.
After what felt like a lifetime of sitting in that hallway, Rose was eventually allowed back into the courtroom to hear the verdict.
The room steals to silence Lamont stays in his position.
The jury comes back into the room and sends their representative up to the front to reveal Lamont's fate.
Speaker 5When a jury came out with a guilty verdict, I screamed.
Speaker 3I was just screaming, like, y'all got the wrong person on y'all convicting the innocent person.
I didn't do anything right.
I started yelling and I felt somebody grab me real tight from behind.
I was shocked and I turned around as.
Speaker 1My mother, Rose throws her arms around her son.
Speaker 3She was grabbing me, and she was holding me so tight, and she was crying, and I felt her pain.
Speaker 1Back then, Lamont didn't know anything about his mom's past with Gallupski.
To him, they were just the cries of a mother about to lose her son.
But there was so much more to ross pain.
She'd spent years worrying about what Gallupski might do to her if their paths crossed again, but this was so much worse.
Her seventeen year old son was being marched away to a prison cell.
She was overcome by grief, but there was another emotion making its way through her body, a sickening sense of suspicion and then guilt, because the more she thought about it, the more she began to wonder had Detective Glupski used his power to target her son as punishment for her decision to break free I Got You.
It's nineteen ninety four and La Motte McIntyre is on his way to prison for a crime.
He says he had nothing to do with Nico Quinn, who'd been intimidating into testifying against him, feels awful.
She's sure he's innocent, but in trying to protect her children, she's been forced into help him put someone else's child behind bars.
She walks around Kansas City, overwhelmed with guilt and despair.
Speaker 2I remember walking down Seventh Street.
I remember that route like it was yesterday, and I passed the store and the guy at the store was asked me how I was doing.
I was like, he's okay, yeah, I just want to go home.
I got home and I remember my youngest son greeting me at the door, and I kind of, you know, kissy.
I walked upstairs, closed my door.
I wanted my kids to see me, and I just sat on the bed and I just cried.
And I had some prescription of antidepressant that the doctor had gave me because I couldn't sleep, and I took a hand full of and I heard stop and it scared me, and I stuck my hand in my mouth and I just started throwing up because I thought about my kids, and I heard the Holy Spirit say, who's gonna fix it?
If you die, Who's gonna fix it?
And from that day forward, I worked on trying to make my own right.
Speaker 1La Mott had been convicted on two witness statements, including nkos not solid evidence.
She thought that recanting her testimony might help fix things, so she went back to the person who she says coerced her into giving it, the assistant district attorney.
Speaker 2I said something to Tarry Morehead about what she was doing to me wasn't fair and it wasn't right.
And she asked me, who was I gonna tell?
Who's gonna believe me over her?
Is what she told me.
And that feel like somebody knocking all of the error out of you for her to tell me that, because I'm looking at her being a white woman, been a prosecutor, and me a black girl, who gonna believe me?
Speaker 1We reached out to Tara Moorehead and her lawyer to ask her about Nico's claims of witness intimidation.
She did not wish to provide a comment.
Back then, Nico wasn't ready to give up hope.
She thought that if she could find a way to understand the legal system, she could help fix things.
Speaker 2I would read a lot, I would go to the library and look at different legal books and try to find out a way.
I talked to so many different people on how I can go about trying to get Lamart home.
Speaker 1Nico was a mother, so she couldn't help but imagine the pain that Lamont's mom, Rose McIntyre, was experiencing.
Speaker 2I remember when she used to work at the liquor store on Tenth Street, and I would go down there and I would talk to her.
Sometimes I would see her walking up and down Gwin Gurl late at night.
I will follow her just to, you know, kind of make sure she would say or whatever that nothing happened to her out there.
And I just would cry because I felt like I destroyed this woman's life.
And all I could do was ask God for forgiveness and wanted to make it right.
Speaker 1After being given two life sentences, Lamont was sent to a prison called Hutchinson Correctional Facility, a large state prison in Kansas.
Speaker 3I cried and I sat there and I just couldn't believe I was there, and I couldn't leave.
I was stuck, and that just convicted me of two murders.
I didn't know how to process that.
I was sad and I couldn't get out of it.
I didn't know what to do.
I knew what to think.
Speaker 1He called home to talk to his mother.
Speaker 3My grandmother asked the phone, so I said, with my mother as she said she's not here, and she started crying, and I'm like, what do you mean she's not here?
She said, she's in the mental hospital.
So my mother had a break down.
Speaker 1She couldn't take Nico went to visit Roads when she got out, I was telling her what happened, and then me and her begin having a relationship.
Speaker 2We would talk more.
I would be down there trying to help her, you know, get dressed, or if she was having a bad day, trying to help her get with She.
We was always together and I'll try to make her laugh, and we had a real good relationship at that time.
And I would just pray for her.
I would pray that God would take that pain away from her, that he would give her some type of strength to continue to go through this.
I just wanted to make things right with her.
Speaker 1Nico recanted her testimony again, this time and a sworn affidavit so Lamont's lawyer could argue that he deserved a new trie.
When that motion was denied, Nico began her own campaign.
Speaker 2I'll start seeing little things on TV about, you know, people's family members getting murdered, and they would go to Mantel Williams Queen Latifa.
Speaker 1It was the nineties, long before an online petition or social media campaign could draw attention to a case of injustice, So Nico wrote letters to the most famous people she could think of, hoping one of them might be able to help put a spotlight on Lamont's case.
She kept Rose updated.
Speaker 2When I would talk to her, I would tell her, Hey, I'm writing Oprah, I'm writing Jenny Jones, Ricki Lake Paruto.
Speaker 1She sent a bunch of letters, but nothing came of them.
Speaker 2And I just felt like our story would never get out there.
Nobody would ever know what happened in Kansas City, Kansas and what we went through.
When we was going.
Speaker 1Through, Lamont was defeated, felt guilty, and Rose was inconsolable.
Each of their lives had been devastated by Roger Glupski, but what they didn't know at the time was that this was just the beginning and they weren't alone.
Glupski had many, many more victims, and his methods were darker than they could have ever imagined.
But they were going to get to the bottom of it, fight for justice, and finally uncover the truth.
Coming up on the girlfriends Untouchable, the Roger Glupski thing popped up in my lawyer's face.
My phone immediately started ringing people saying, Hey, I know that guy, I know what he did to this person.
This is horrific, This is horrible.
Speaker 3He did not receive a fair There's only one reason why you do that, to protect corrupt cops.
Speaker 1The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts.
For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio.
The show is narrated by me Nicki Richardson.
It was written and produced by Rufarro Masarua.
The editor is Joe Wheeler.
Our assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed.
The researcher is Zaiana Yusef.
Production management from Shuri Houston and Joe Savage.
The fact checker is Fendel Fulton.
Sound design, mixing and scoring by Daniel Kimpson with additional engineering by Nicholas Alexander.
Music supervision by Rufarro Masarua, Nicholas Alexander and Joe Wheeler.
Original music by a Manager Jones.
The Girlfriend's theme was composed by Amanda Jones and Louisa Gerstein.
The series artwork was designed by Christina limcol Story development by Olivia Smart and nel Gray Andrews.
The voice of Rose McIntyre was read by Ebanie Janelle.
Novel's Director of Development is Selena Metta.
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Max O'Brien and Craig Strachan are executive producers for novel.
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