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AFL 360 - "There's a dent in that Cup!" - Chris Fagan reveals Grand Final tactics & reflects on Neale's 'spirit lifting' return | 29/09/25

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Speaker 1

The spoils of victory, the Brisbane Lions celebrate back to back premierships and ponder the makings of a dynasty.

Speaker 2

The legacy of Chris Fagan further enshrined at the end of an epic quest than our two time premiership.

Speaker 3

Coach joins us live and facing up to the fallout that comes with losing on the biggest stage, the Geelong post mortem and what comes next to remain in contention we've.

Speaker 4

Talked about is this step into it in brace.

Speaker 1

Alliant in the room and Vinton it's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.

Speaker 2

They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take the man on.

Speaker 1

They played the best footy I've ever seen at the start of the season and in sid president left the cup, I order said, of course they do.

Speaker 5

It is the stuff that legends are made of.

Speaker 6

What is holding the ball?

I don't think I could answer it clearly right now.

Speaker 3

I could do something wrong, you know, And I need to game and the boards actually the fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty year old.

Speaker 1

Our final time together, our ninety third time together for the season gas and now we know how it ended.

Speaker 2

And not too many people picked it either.

Speaker 6

Don't think Jared.

Speaker 2

They might have had Brisbane winning, but I don't know if they had them winning by that much.

Speaker 1

What I finished the season.

Yes, it was a Premiership gloriously.

Speaker 2

One it was, and it was still tied up at halftime.

And I think in recent years, close scrand final finishes seem to have gone by the wayside, and this Brisbane so I just stamped themselves and what's to come is the most exciting.

Speaker 1

Thing of all for Brisbane fans.

Speaker 2

So what a great weekend.

Speaker 1

I think we know they're celebrating like Winters Mad Monday is still going.

They're in the throes of it.

Now.

This was camera in for a few hours back.

Speaker 2

I think I've had maybe two hours so the last couple of days it has been nice, but I go home back obviously back round.

Speaker 1

Last night I had to see the dogs as well, which is pretty good.

Speaker 6

So they put the.

Speaker 7

Metals on them last night, which is awesome.

Speaker 1

The party I was on and everything goes on Insta and so we found it got the dogs yep, with medals.

Speaker 2

So they got So this was Jeremy Kemeron started this week.

That's right, they got two dogs Brisbane fans.

I hope he goes and gets another one, so next to you you can whack another one on the dog.

Speaker 1

I wouldn't put a bathroom, all right, this is what we've got lined up.

We've lived the journey of this season with Chris Fagan from the eye of the storm.

He joined us when the game had been postponed for the cyclone, right at the start of the season, and all the way through.

He's standing by for us in Brisbane now and then don't miss on the couch.

So I can't quite work out whether Jonathan brown won or lost this bet, but Kyle Lowman style, he's losing his locks.

Speaker 2

That's right.

So Kyle Loman had the lines carved in the side of his melon, and Brownie said, I'll get a couple of them if you win.

I don't think you filt it through that long.

Speaker 1

So yeah, I would watch the start of the Couch.

I'll watch all of couch them, especially watch the start all right.

The final time this year the votes are being cast.

The GVP is the most Valuable Player from the weekend of footy.

We know that the Mustang was won by Patrick Dangerfield, valued at ninety three thousand dollars, but we have a leader boards to formalize and finish off.

Speaker 2

With the biggest interesting this is Norm Smith territory.

So from where I sat, I gave dane Zuko a vote.

I thought he was the one that halfway through that second quarter just kick started them and got the Brisbane style of game back going again.

And what a player is, what a player Dane Zuko is look at this sort of stuff.

Speaker 1

His use by foot has.

Speaker 6

Been one of the highlights.

This is one of the moments.

Speaker 2

Of the match, of course, but he just started picking the eyes out of it.

Speaker 1

And when he started picking.

Speaker 2

The eyes out of it, you thought, hmm, that's kind of more like what we expect from this Brisbane So we certainly didn't see it in the qualifying final, and I thought his role in all of that was really, really significant, so I gave him one vote.

I gave two to the man that won the Norm Smith medal.

It was a really open thing.

You could have gone a number of different ways.

But I will talk about Willashkoff later.

I'm an anabash fan.

What he's doing is extraordinary.

Gered three Norm Smith medals to Dustin Martin Premierships.

So I remember saying at the time, we will never ever ever see that again in our lifetime.

Speaker 1

He's twenty one.

Speaker 2

This kid, he's got two and he hadn't even approached what's his best football?

He's fine, he's won of the Garieers Medal and now for the best player in the final series, he's got too, Norm Smith and he was outstanding.

Speaker 1

And I thought Aris Andrews was just I just wanted to interrupt on will Ashcroft for it.

So they did know how to celebrate like winners, didn't they.

Danz Orco hijack the goal and calam Archie celebrated her behind with the crowd and just this little moment of acknowledge it.

So you're in chief caught your intention.

Speaker 2

Yep, it's a couple of old bogs calling this game.

Yeah, it wasn't something the Chief would have done during his full premierships, but this is a sign of the times.

And that was about a minute forty to goo.

Speaker 6

No one would have begrudged.

Speaker 2

You know, they have proven to be a very humble team over a long period of time, so I don't have an issue with that at all.

Speaker 1

Sorry I interrupted you.

Three votes.

Speaker 2

Harris Andrews got three for me, so this will be a talking point for the Cats.

He's dominated Brisbane the last three times they've played them.

I've watched and done all their games and he's been the man standing in the back half and the first quarter.

We'll talk about with Fags in a minute.

It was a bit of an arm wrestled defenses on top and then when he started the interest mark, then you thought, ah again, Bitlozko, that's what it looks like when Brisbane are out there, imperious best.

And then he had a couple of willing sidekicks in Leicester and Gardner and Stasovich, not big, big names, but he's proven to be just one of the great leaders house ands.

I loved reading about his influence on this side throughout the week, and he got himself up into it.

Speaker 6

Eight.

Speaker 1

I did the auditing this afternoon.

Speaker 6

I did.

Speaker 8

So.

Speaker 1

You gave him two votes in round three against Geelong.

Now remember these aren't votes for a single game, these are votes for the whole round.

So against Geelong in round three you got two votes.

Against Geelong in round fifteen he got one vote this and then he got two in the preliminary final and three in the Grand finals.

So six of his eight votes.

When he's three games again, now, that.

Speaker 2

Does not surprise me.

And they weren't able to come up with a plan for him.

That's as simple as that, all right.

Speaker 1

So that's how the GVP's finished.

The agenda on this night always belongs to the premier and a worthy champion.

Speaker 3

They are the.

Speaker 1

Brisbane line stared down all manner of adversity across the course of the season, and when it had to be won, they were ferocious and fearless and they celebrated in all its glory.

Speaker 6

We've come.

Speaker 3

It's all fallen in the place magnificently.

Speaker 6

Do that.

Speaker 8

One of the things I tried to teach the boys about when I first got to the club was it the concept of having a gross mindset and the fact that if you want to be any good, you're going to fail for.

Speaker 6

A bit until you get there.

Speaker 8

I always talked about the idea of failing, failing it away to the top.

Speaker 6

We come.

Speaker 4

This is the most basic and fundamental reason for playing AFL, to create the opportunity to find yourself.

And on the mec let last Saturday in September.

Speaker 8

And we got into some finals and you know, for the first three years there.

I think we won one out of six finals, had a few lessons.

Speaker 6

It says that port in time, you know, we've really become a very good.

Speaker 8

Finals team and that's all on the back of learning our lessons.

I think it's a good way to live your life, to be honest.

Speaker 9

The lines were beaten here by Geelong thirty eight points three weeks ago, and that man he's packed his boys in and they have a living.

Speaker 10

We've come.

Speaker 6

I've got a saying up on our wall.

Speaker 8

It's a it's a famous Nelson Mandela quote.

Speaker 6

We never lose where the win or we learn.

Speaker 8

And that's the attitude that we've tried to take and I think I think everybody's embraced that at the footy club one way.

Speaker 6

Did they even show the world it's not probably.

Speaker 1

You since when you're all together, you've still got that one big performance in each.

Speaker 6

Yeah, for sure.

And I said it last year.

Speaker 2

I feel like we're peaking at the right time to three three minutes the start.

Speaker 6

The vision.

Speaker 11

Loved, the super sudden glory is turning again.

That champion's a rising.

Speaker 1

The inliate breaking point here and the cats.

Speaker 9

They're called burst players, so they can just rip you apart in ten minutes.

So if they were able to get this done again, it's one of the great premierships.

Speaker 11

Anything is possible and it's a gats.

Speaker 6

What a game a footing.

Speaker 1

What I did is they were about the witness.

Speaker 11

And never it's just about enjoying the party with everybody else.

Speaker 4

It's a frightening performance.

Speaker 1

Friend stop us in the years that come't.

Speaker 6

Ten goals to two since half time.

Speaker 1

That's just smashing.

It is an out and out smashing.

Speaker 9

They are a fun team to watch, the Lions.

Speaker 11

This has been a beat down a morning from the modern day gladiators.

Speaker 9

We're seeing something special here.

I think the first feeling is relief.

I think many people talk about if you could bottle that moment and just have a drink of it every now and then, but.

Speaker 3

Every now and then the main man again.

Speaker 11

Brisbane gone back to back a premiership of unbelievable courage, belief and brilliance.

Speaker 1

Here is the moment.

Speaker 4

And last year's team of destiny, he's now a dynastic team.

Speaker 11

The Brisbane Lions have gone back to back.

Speaker 10

Absolutely brilliance from Brisbane the primis in twenty twenty the most stunning forty minutes of football for the West.

Speaker 6

Get the job done, never satisfied with.

Speaker 10

The lines going back to back.

In twenty twenty five, the set to Fight with the title lines going back to.

Speaker 11

Back, True Lines, True Champions.

Speaker 9

It goes from your best work to your worst work pretty quickly, and then you go home nice and early and you sit there and you stare at the ceiling.

Speaker 6

For a long time.

Speaker 2

You do wake up the next day and there's you know that five seconds where you don't know what happened yesterday, and then you realize what happened yesterday.

Speaker 6

That's a bad morning.

Speaker 1

Take you very much.

Speaker 9

Turn the mirror on yourself, and you're very hard on yourself.

In the days after, you sort of look at yourself pretty hard, and it can be a very lonely experienced.

Speaker 2

Obviously difficult for us right at the moment, but I think in the film of the time, when you sort of sit back and you think about the call a team that beat.

Speaker 9

Us in this friend final, that might be's the pain a little bit.

Speaker 1

I can't speak it highly enough of him.

I mean, the way he transformed.

Speaker 7

Down Club when we were really struggling and now to break the benefits, I know it was his hardest.

Speaker 6

It was one of his hardest.

Speaker 7

Things, not playing AFL and I know the pressure he felt and I'm so so thankful that I've met him.

He's now my coach and he's got two flakes.

Speaker 8

Und Today you saw that we'll learn some things from that game and did some things better.

Speaker 6

And we ended up little premiership.

So very proud of it.

Speaker 1

That they say thanks do has proud Grant part pretty well that he is as proudest up right now.

Speaker 5

These young charts, the team that learned their lessons.

Speaker 1

Ever so well, and they sit here tonight as two time premiers.

Chris Fagan has been with us from the first week of this season to the last.

We're thrilled to hav him back on the rooftop in Brisbane.

Faig's congratulations, welcome back to three point sixty.

Speaker 8

Yeah, it's great to be.

Speaker 6

Here, Jared.

Speaker 8

It means we won the premiership, so thanks for having me and you two as well.

Speaker 6

Gary.

Speaker 1

How does two time premiership coach sit with you?

Speaker 6

Oh?

I don't know.

Speaker 8

I haven't thought about it too much.

Some of the players were strutting around last night call themselves two timers.

Speaker 6

And all that sort of stuff, and I'm pretty happy with themselves, which is fair enough.

Speaker 8

I guess it's just a reward for a lot of hard work that we've done up here over a nine year period.

These performances in the last two years, you know, haven't just suddenly happened.

It's been on the back of a lot of hard work and a lot of disappointments sometimes, and just feels good that, you know, we've been fortunate enough this year to get another reward.

It doesn't always happen, but we're fortunate that it has for us this year too.

Speaker 1

Rather like the ornament that you're brought to the background, sitting on the ledge just over your right shoulders, you have to rescue that earlier in the day.

Speaker 6

I did, Jared.

Speaker 8

I caught up with the players for an hour or so on their mad Monday, and Harris was looking after the cup and said he didn't quite know how the day was going to finish, and could I bring the.

Speaker 6

Cup home for me for him?

Speaker 8

So I thought I'll do that and put it in the background when we have the shower.

Ie it added, bonus.

Speaker 2

Looks magnificent figs.

I love the fact that they're not precious with the cup these days.

It gets thrown around and passed around and everyone gets their time with it.

Has it got any war wounds on it after a day or two.

Speaker 6

Yeah, it has, Garry.

Speaker 8

I bought it Arnt the night nurse to look at it, and she said there's a dent in that cup, and I had a bit of a look and.

Speaker 6

Sure enough there is.

Speaker 8

So might I forget a little few repairs done at some point in time, or maybe just leave it there, you know, as a part of history.

Speaker 1

One of the great qualities from the players in the aftermath and the hot blooded hours straight afterwards is a lot of them thought this was better the second time than the first for the journey that had been undertaken, whether it was the reward, whether it was their own personal challenge, whether it was the collective.

Was it different for you the second time to the first.

Speaker 8

Yeah, I think I enjoyed it more because I just think winging two in a row is very, very hard to do.

I mean, not that many teams have done it in history.

I was lucky enough to be at Hawthorne when they went through in a row, but you know, it was just extraordinary to think that we're able to get there.

There were many times this year where it felt like that wasn't going to be the case, whether it be via injury or the fact that in our draw was incredibly hard.

So I just feel like we've had to go through a fair bit more this year than last year, believe it or not, to win the flag.

And you know, a lot of our victories this year, who have been against the teams that have been in the top eight, they had to be because that's who we.

Speaker 6

Played most of the time.

Speaker 8

And so from that perspective, I think, yeah, I think it's better than last year.

There's a lot of satisfaction around it.

And last time last night we had a bit of a function for the football department and all the players at a pub in Brisbane and the replay of the game come up and we sat there and watched the whole game together and it was one of the most fun things I've ever done in my football life.

To sit there with those players are cheering and carrying on and stirring each other up.

Speaker 6

It was absolutely brilliant, magnificent.

Speaker 2

Hey, we'll go through some of the key moments in the game.

We've got a bit time to work through a few issues, so I'm wondering what you're thinking at quarter time it was a game dominated by defense.

Sat look at it, Cameron Dangerfield, Neil Stengel close in myes, that's scored a single point between the six of them.

But you guys had struggled a little bit four to the ball as well.

But you had kick one goal for from stoppage and Zach Barley had kicked four behind.

What was your take at quarter of time when you got out into the huddle.

Speaker 8

I thought we'd done a lot right in the first quarter, particularly compared to how we were in the in the qualifying final where Geelong got the jump on us.

Speaker 6

So I was happy to be in the game.

Speaker 8

I just felt like we probably left a few opportunities out there.

We missed some shots that we possibly should have taken, so you always worry a little bit about that, but I didn't didn't talk too much about it.

I just talked on the positives and pretty happy where contested ball, was pretty happy with our pressure.

Just sort of the message was keep it going.

Speaker 2

So the board movement style of footy that you play is so critical, you left your defensive fifty.

I don't get too much into the words here at thirteen times early in that second quarter without getting it inside fifty once and you just thought, oh, hang on, it's got a little bit of a look about that Geelong game.

But then all of a sudden, Zorka gets involved in the end.

In that second quarter, he has seven kicks, one hundred percent, one hundred and ninety nine meters gained.

I thought he was really pivotal in reminding you, look, this is what our best looks like and I'll take it on.

And from that moment on I thought it was very much a Brisbane style of game.

Speaker 8

Yeah, I agree with that, Gary.

Our ball movement improved as the game went on.

I think I think that's a little bit to do with the you know, the pressure comes off a little bit too, and maybe you know, Geelong went able to defend the ground as well as I did at the beginning.

Speaker 6

I felt like too.

Speaker 8

One of the things we did talk about a quart of time was if they're going to take away the car at all, and let's let's get let's go around the boundaries.

It doesn't matter, we'll just take whatever they give us, but we need to keep the ball in motion.

I thought we did that at a little bit better.

And as you say, ZORX is really important and all that.

He now he's a risk taker, and every now and then he lets rip with a big clanger.

But basically, when you get to the point in the Grand Final, you just got to take the game on.

Speaker 6

You can't.

Speaker 8

You can't just sit back and let the other team, you know, dominate you defensively.

Speaker 6

You've just got to take a few risks.

Speaker 8

And he set the example with that he did, and then if the scriptwriters had their way, this is what would have happened.

Speaker 6

After halftime.

Speaker 2

Harris Andrews starts to dominate it half back and then he starts taking intercept marks that will you activate Locky Neil with you hold your breath, and he just spends five minutes running around a bit like a chuck with a head cut off.

And then by the end of the quarter he looked absolutely Locky Neil at his best.

Charlie starts kicking goals, McCluggage burns off, Marlin Bayley starts to kick straight and I thought Darcy fought just chugging along.

Speaker 1

So all those things.

Speaker 2

The scriptwriter's going, yep, tick tick tick, everything's going beautifully.

By that stage, had a nice feeling at three quarter time, nineteen points up.

Speaker 8

Yeah, although you never feel that comfortable with a nineteen point lead.

That can be chewed up pretty quickly in modern AFL football.

But the signs were definitely good.

You know, I thought Locky coming on, and you're right, he did look like he.

Speaker 6

Hadn't played for a while to start with, but he got going.

Speaker 8

He gave us a real lot of energy around the ball, and then when he kicked that goal just on three quarter time, that that really I think licked the team up.

And yeah, everything did start moving pretty well.

Charlie always brings a lot of energy when he gets into the game, and that's what he.

Speaker 6

Was able to do.

And I just, yeah, I did.

Speaker 8

I felt good coming into three quarter time.

I thought were starting to get a little bit of a reward for our effort.

But you know, just reminded the players at three quarter time we just got to keep going with our hunt, which really picked up around the stoppage in that in that third quarter, I think we're about equal clearances at halftime, we might have been one in front, and that really lifted in the in the third quarter, which is important to us.

And you know, a game looked really intact, so it was a matter of you know, getting out there, just talked about the idea scoreboard back to zero.

Let's let's knuckle down and do that again.

And fortunately the players were able to do that.

Speaker 1

So when you're watching it last night, at the part of your settle not a favorite moment, is there something that made your chuckle or smile just a little bit more than any other bit.

Speaker 8

I think when Lucky kicked that goal just on three quarter time was probably the big moment in the game.

It just gave us a good gap between between us and Geelong on the scoreboard, and so that was particularly a big moment.

And then it was just I guess the other moment was just how quickly we were able to kick goals that in that last quarter and the game was all over very quickly.

Speaker 6

I didn't expect that.

Speaker 8

I thought it would be a real arm wrestle and that perhaps Jean Geelong could fight their way back into it because it had been a pretty close game all day.

But our players just found another gear, found a lot of energy, which I was really pleased with because I was a little bit worried coming into this game that three hard finals was going to tell on us at some point in time, but that didn't appear to be the case.

Our fitness people obviously have done a great job.

We recovered well from the week before, so you know that last quarter, fortunately enough for us, ended up being some sort of a celebration.

Speaker 6

I do remember that strange walk that Kyle Lahman.

Speaker 8

Did he kicked the goal, which sort of brought a little bit of laughter the place, doing repeats of that today at the Monday for anybody that wanted to watch him.

So but that was a bit of fun.

I sometimes celebrations can appear to be a little bit arrogant, but I hopefully it wasn't taken that way.

Speaker 6

It was just our boys enjoying the fact that the game was going their way.

Speaker 1

For the rest of your days.

In Grand Final week, you were, and lucky nearly going to be asked about this because every year there is an injury and there's a players what to do?

What's the moral of the tail fas as you as you learned it across a week and in a couple of days afterwards.

Speaker 8

You made in regards to playing lockeye yep, yeah, okay, so well for starters, our medical people had cleared him to play.

He'd completed three pretty grueling training sessions in the lead up to the Grand Final, and so there was no doubt in our mind he was fit to play.

The question was for us to answer, is he's only played one game in eight weeks and did he have the fitness to run out a full game or would it be better to hold him back and introduce him into the game at a point in time in which.

Speaker 6

We thought he could give us a bit of an advantage, and we chose the latter.

Speaker 8

I felt that if he started and ran out of gas that that might be a bit a bit of a spirit killer for the boys.

But I thought if he could come on around about halftime and do what he did, that it would be an enormous.

Speaker 6

Spirit lifter for us.

Speaker 8

And I know it was a bit of a punt, but as it worked out, it feels like it was the right decision to make it.

Speaker 6

It could easily have gone the wrong way, but.

Speaker 8

What he did in that second half, the ability to win seven clearances, have seventeen possessions, have a couple of direct goal assists, it was just enormous for us and it gave us the energy boost that we needed in the second half.

Speaker 2

Well again I talk about scriptwriters.

It was just a spectacular success.

I mean we debated it before the game, as everyone in the footy Will did.

I thought it was a too big a risk, but it couldn't have worked out any better.

Actually, what made you smile?

I reckon the fact that Will Ascroft, in his fifty eighth game, has won his second Norm Smith Medal.

He's won the Garriers Medal for being the best Finals player.

Speaker 6

Jared and I were talking about Dusty.

Speaker 2

He said Dusty won his norm Smith medals in his eighth, tenth, tenth, and eleventh year.

He's won of his norm Smith medals in his second and third.

I think he still gets un he won't anymore.

But the fact that, and I'm a bit with this league with LEVI.

They're so professional, they come in like ready made players.

You forget how young they are.

He's twenty one years of age, he's played fifty eight games of footy, is now at legendary Finals player.

Speaker 6

He is.

Speaker 8

He steps up in the big moments, and he does throughout the home and away series too.

I think when the big games are on it tends to bring out the best in him.

Speaker 6

And I think he's still got more.

Speaker 8

Gears to go to be to be honest, you know, at his age and at his experience, I think he's going to learn to impose himself on games more and more and more.

We've seen that growth in in this year.

He tended probably just to drift around a little bit in his first couple of years and not play with great intensity, but now he really explodes and wins the ball and explodes away from contests and creates great scoring opportunities for us.

So, you know, provided he doesn't get injured at any in any way, shape or form, going forward, I think we're going to see him even better performances from from Will and in terms of LEVI, I think his season has been a little bit underrated.

I mean, it's pretty hard for a young eighteen year old to come in and break in to the to the premiership team from the year before, and he's played every single game.

He had some great moments on the weekend.

I think he will continue to improve.

Speaker 6

As a player.

Speaker 8

He's a little bit bit like Will probably sometimes he's just a little bit cruisy in the way that he gets around the field.

But I think that intensity will come with experience, and you know, very.

Speaker 6

Fortunate to have both those boys at our club.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so he's just looking at some of the leg guys numbers.

I think the really significant in an era where we talk about these first year players, we've got to nurse them through and you know, as.

Speaker 1

Don't ask too much of the magic.

Speaker 2

Say he's broken into a premiership team, played every single game and then these numbers you're talking about some pretty fair Brisbane players over the journey here, so fifth most by a player disposials, third most by any player under nine one years and from a clearance point of view, the seventh best by a Brisbane pay after twenty seven games.

Speaker 6

You don't need to talk more about him.

Speaker 2

I think the footy world will realize that he's still eighteen years of ages.

Speaker 1

Kid, he's just.

Speaker 2

Had one of the years, the best years for a first year player that you can imagine.

Speaker 1

It occurs to me, we should get Marcus Ashcroft and Peter Deacos to actually run the industry wide footy academy and we should send out them where you were going.

We should send our kids there for daycare, actually get them taught out to play figs.

Just indulgeous, just for a few minutes on a personal front.

So your place in history.

You're already the oldest premiership coach.

You were the first one in more than half a century to have done it without playing at the elite level.

That magnifies.

Now having done it twice, what does that mean to you in a way, and not just for you, but on behalf of those who didn't play the game at the elite level.

Speaker 6

Yeah.

Speaker 8

So, first of all, I think I've been pretty fortunate in my football background to have some great coaches, both in Tazzy and working with Neil and Clarko.

So I learned a lot from those guys.

So I was probably no rookie when I came to the opportunity to coach the Brisbane lines.

All my past experiences have helped me enormously, so I'm very grateful for that.

But I think in terms of I hope that it gives others have walked in my shoes the idea that maybe it is possible to coach an AFL team if you do a good enough apprenticeship.

I mean, it took me a long time.

I worked at AFL level for nineteen years before I did get the opportunity.

I was very fortunate to get it, but I do hope that it does give other people who working in the industry the idea that, you know, if they work hard enough and take their opportunities when they come along, that they they may well be able to do the same thing.

Speaker 1

Dan's orco referenced it in the postgame is does it bury any insecurities to flags fas?

Speaker 6

Yeah.

Speaker 8

Look, if I was probably being totally honest Jared, there were times when I've in my even up until last year when we won the flag, I felt like maybe I had a little bit of imposter syndrome.

Was I good enough to help this team win a premiership?

All of those things, They all all those thoughts go through your head.

I think they're natural enough.

So winning one was gave me a fair bit of confidence.

And I guess now that we've been able to do it again, you know, I feel I feel like maybe now that I maybe I do belong in the in the coaching ranks.

So hopefully I've got a few more years left in me.

Speaker 6

See how we go.

Speaker 2

I reckon if we look through your phone and there'll be enough messages to suggest that you're very much comfortable where you're at.

Speaker 1

Neil Danaher you mentioned.

Speaker 2

Him, you referenced him nineteen ninety eight Cameron twelve got you to the Melbourne Footy Club as a footy manager.

And the influencer Neil has had on you is well known within closer circles, but I'd imagine the messages that have come through in recent times the ones from him would mean the most given how much of an influence he's had on you.

You won the Neil down in Her Lifetime Achievement Award this year, as well as the Coaches Association Player of the Year.

These are really special moments I would imagine for you.

Speaker 6

Yeah, they are.

Speaker 8

I got a surprisingly got a magnificent text message from Neil today which I won't go into, but it did mean a lot to me, and it probably referenced a little bit that idea that maybe I didn't feel like I belong but hopefully I do now.

But you know, I just know that I got this opportunity because he had the courage to give a no name from Tasmania that opportunity.

And I can remember and you were there Gary when.

Speaker 6

I first turned up.

I looked at you, blokes, and you probably look at me, go do there?

Hell is this block?

You know, but he had the courage to He had the courage to give me a job and he backed me in all the way through.

Like you know what.

Speaker 8

I coached the reserves the first couple of years and I thought, I think we joined up with Sandray M and I thought, I'm going to have to be the Sandri M coach now and he said, no, you're going to be an assistant coach.

And then when Danny Corkan left, he came to my office and said, I want you to be the footing manager and sort of I got this wonderful development at the Melbourne Footy Club off the back of Neil having a lot of faith in me.

And you know, all those experiences helped me be able to do what I was able to do at Hawthorne with Clarko and then obviously hearing out the Brisbane lines.

But it was a tremendously courageous decision by Neil and I'll never be able to thank him enough for it.

Speaker 1

Christmas, bragging rights are going to be harder at your table.

As Grant's got the flag with Clarence and the Fagan medal, you will bring two John McHale medals to the table mum was there for Grant.

So this is the family businesses coaching.

Just remind me, did your dad did Austin coach as well?

Speaker 8

Yeah?

So dad was a coach on the west coast of Tasmania.

He coached, He coached Gormston, the team around there.

Speaker 6

They were the mountain Men, as they were called.

Speaker 8

I spent a lot of my youth going to training with Dad and standing by his side when he was coaching the team, and I learned a lot from him.

He was one of those he might have been a little bit before his time.

Speaker 6

I remember you.

Speaker 8

Often there'd be players from the team come down to our place for dinner and back then though my heroes of course, and he just seemed to take a bit of a special interest in them and try to build a good sense of team spirit and comradeship.

And I think I might have picked a few clues up off in there.

I've certainly do some of those things myself.

Speaker 1

What a coaching family you are.

So tonight's not the night to look too far ahead, fags, but all of us just so admire this team.

And it's the age, demographic and the possibility.

So you've been in a program that won four and one three in a row.

Are you of a mind to pitch to them?

This is the sweet stop spot.

Let's make sure we get all that we can from it.

Speaker 8

Well, we talked about again after the game, just you know, I think the key to us having a good year this year was we didn't get carried away with ourselves last year after we won the premiership.

I thought, you know, we got some confidence from it, but we stayed humble as a group and I didn't see anyone develop a sense of entitlement at all, which I think is really important.

So as long as we as long as we stay grounded, I think we can obviously challenge again next year.

We've got a lot of young players on our list who growing into great AFL players, and they're best as ahead of them and our older experienced players I think have still got a fair bit of life left in them.

So you know, right now, I can understand why everybody's saying that about us, But it all still comes back to attitude and being prepared to work and continuing to try and improve and get better.

And if we can do that, then we're a chance to be successful again next year.

But that's the that's the sixty four dollars question.

Speaker 1

Will you guide them for a little while yet fades.

Speaker 8

As En coached the team.

Jared, Yep, Yeah, for as long as I feel like I'm making a difference and they think I am.

Speaker 6

I often talk to.

Speaker 8

Our leaders and get feedback from them on how I'm going.

You've got to stay relevant with younger people to coach them well, and you've got to stay relevant to the to the trends of the game.

I mean, hopefully we've said a few trends ourselves.

But you know, I'm always mindful that you've got to see and lifespan at a football club, and I don't quite know how long that is, but you know some people have always thought that was around the ten year mark.

Well, I've done nine, so I've got two.

Speaker 6

More years to go.

Speaker 8

So if I get to the end of that and we're still being successful, I guess I've got a decision to make.

But I'm pretty happy that the club's backed me in for.

Speaker 6

As long as I have.

Speaker 1

FIG's brilliant.

Thank you as ever, well done.

Speaker 8

Thanks boys, thanks for your support of not just the Lions this year, but AFL in general.

I think your show is a real hallmark for all clubs.

Well, I think we all all watch it and we respect it because we like and respect the fact that you guys have great opinions on footy.

So thanks for all that you've done this year and for supporting the Lions.

Speaker 1

To time premiership coach Chris Fagan, and a big thanks to Carlie Miranda from the AFL Coaches Association who works with us every week for our privilege to access back to back to the premiers.

So there's a bit unpack our view on how it happened to vanquished the day itself, which seems to elevate year on year.

There are so many memorable aspects to what took place on Saturday that will come to be iconic of the way the twenty twenty five season unfolded.

They just missed him.

With the bulk of that, it was good enough, just got enough.

There was a good mark.

They came from a long way back.

Speaker 2

I don't know what he was doing, but he might have gone off and run, but they got him.

Speaker 1

And we revel in the Lions premiership this Monday.

Speaker 9

Above all, Gene she Mas

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