Welcome to Dare to Dream, where the extraordinary isn't fiction, it's the conversation.

My question to you is, what if your.

Deepest desires aren't random, but they're actually messages from your soul.

I've got an amazing guest today on Dare to Dream, because we're all going to step into the world of the Channel, John Klug, who is a conduit for the luminous consciousness known as Jonathan.

John's journey began in nineteen ninety when he was inspired by the Seth material we all know that was written by Jane Roberts, and then was trained by masters.

He then learned to translate the language of spirit where angels, where desire, where destiny converge.

And in this episode we're all going to discover why following your heart's desire is a sacred technology and how to manifest beyond the law of attraction through frequency and trust.

The way that angels guide humanity through uncertainty so important right now, and then of course you're going to receive a delicious transmission for you from Jonathan himself.

So stay with us for all of this, for this important reception of higher wisdom, for this moment on Earth's awakening path.

Today's conversation may remind you that your dreams aren't just wishes, they are your blueprints written in light.

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And with that, I bring the amazing John Klug to Dare to Dream.

Welcome to the show.

It's so great to meet you.

Thank you.

W it's great to meet you too, So happy to be here today.

Yeah, great way to spend time on the subject.

And I just got to say, John, Jonathan, was there any connection between the channels chosen name and your born name?

Well, I think that's an interesting question because I think my given birth name is a reflection of Jonathan, because Jonathan is actually the name, the vibration behind my higher self, the collective of all the lives that I've lived, will live so on and so forth, and so John is like Jonathan, and so I think it's a perfect match.

I did too.

And it's so cool that you began chatteling in nineteen ninety because of an inspired by the Seth material.

Talk about that first awakening when your awareness came on board and you said, oh, I actually could be a clear channel for higher intelligence.

What was that like?

Well, the Seth material just blew me away.

You know, I was, you know, in my early twenties and hadn't been exposed to anything like this before, had been brought up in a strict Catholic upbringing, right, and so the Seth material really opened my belief systems, right.

It let me let go of what was limiting me, opened me up to new possibilities.

And the effect of that was for me to just find book after book after book and to read and to expand.

I eventually came across a book written by Sinea Roman and Dwayne Backer called Opening to Channel, and it was in Opening to Channel that I got the idea that, oh, possibly this is something I could do.

I took a class with someone who had been taught by Sinea Roman, and that class went just phenomenally.

In the advanced class, where the other students were reading for each other for practice, my teacher brought in someone from the outside and I actually read for real for this person from the outside.

And when we were done, my teacher said, well, John, you're ready.

You can do this on your own.

Now, just go out there and get started.

So wow, wow, definitely born for this.

I think I love that.

It's the Seth material, you know.

I also had a very profound I had such interesting awakenings.

Also in my twenties, I was in a women's group and.

It was like a support group, but it was very spiritual.

And the leader of this she was a phenomenal woman.

I asked a question once since she handed me some recordings and I went home.

I listened to all of them.

I was just so hungry and I went back to her and I said, that person was amazing.

They never said awe, they never said now.

I was previously a profession actress, so I was pretty good at knowing dialects.

And I said, but that scent makes no sense.

It's like an amalgam.

And so I was giving her all this feedback as though this was a speaker and presenter, a lecturer, right, And she laughed and she said, well, that's not like a man you're listening to.

That's a being being channeled.

And that's Lazarus.

Oh yeah, Lazarus yeah.

And I was like, well what does that mean?

It was so mind blowing the concept.

It took me a while to ingest what she was talking about.

And then of course that made me hungrier.

And I remember I was working so young.

I was working at a department store as on a lunch break in the food court, and I had one of the Seth books.

And I was sitting there and he was.

Being channeled through Jane Roberts and talking about how infantismal we are, but how tiny, and breaking it down and breaking it down and breaking it down, until I literally, in that moment, sitting in that chair at that table in that food court, could see myself as less than an ant in this cosmos, this enormity that we are in and the layers.

So that was profound.

And more recently, because I'm a voracious reader, I got I think it is Seth Speaks as an audible from nineteen seventy and I was like, this information is so viable, it is so powerful to revisit this.

Oh, that's still as valid today as it was when it was written and spoken.

Absolutely.

Well, you talk about moving from manifesting from the mind to manifesting through frequency, Okay, which is quite beautiful.

So one of you learned about creating reality that is way beyond on the law of attraction.

Well, I think one of the basic tenets is that you you actually have a plan for your life.

It's not in great detail.

It's really in more like major events and the coming together of people in circumstances, right, But that's pretty much planned out.

And so the energy that is available to you to create your life, to create the situations that are there for you to create, is strongest when you're in line with what it is that you have set up for this life.

Right.

A lot of people notice that too.

It's like, Okay, well this isn't working.

You know, I'm just struggling and I'm struggling and it's not coming through, and I've just really lost any kind of desire for going down this particular path.

And so that's part of it.

It's life shows you when you're looking looking at the right in the right direction, i should say, and the energy to support you continues to flow to you even you know.

You hear these stories about entrepreneurs that spend years toiling away trying to get their business to be successful.

But if you ask them, they will all say, this is my belief that the impetus, the pull, the drive to do what it is that they set out to do was strong, and it remains strong even though times were difficult, right, And so that typically is experienced through your heart, right, And Jonathan talks about how your heart is the conduit to your higher self, right, and your higher self, of course is connected to all creation as you are, but more directly in an energetic sense.

And so your higher self speaks through your physical heart and gives you what you might term as your heart's desire.

That way that you think about it, right, that's the way you hold it.

It's Oh, it's my heart's desire.

This is something I feel in my heart that I would like to investigate or pursue or spend my time on.

Right, what you're saying, And I want to go deeper into this because you know, we're just finishing up.

We've got one and a half months left to go, but we're finishing up a nine year and a numerology.

It's about endings, it's about letting go, it's about surrender.

We are finishing up the year of the Wooden Snake, and that also so in shamanic terms but also in the Chinese astrology terms.

Right, the snake releases its skin completely and rebirths itself.

So it's about a lot of letting go because we're heading into a one year.

So many people, so many people, whether they're on the World platform or living their lives, are having chaos, having a lot of stuff.

The jobs are running, the relationships are running, they're moving, there's stuff happening.

So I want to go deeper into what you're saying is I think is very important right now.

And you're talking about the heart and you're talking about desire.

How is desire a sacred technology?

How can people harness this or recognize this to better move forward, to have a little more ease and flow.

Well, I have to start by saying that Jonathan, we'll talk about this.

If indeed we talk about this.

While Jonathan is speaking much better than I can, I'm still the student, obviously, I mean from my perspective at least, I'm still the student.

So the way that I've begun to understand it is desire can really take at least two forms.

One form can be thought of, as you know, your heart's desire, and your heart's desire really comes from a place of selflessness, comes from a place of something that adds to both your life and to other people's lives.

It's not selfish in any way.

Whereas you know, desire can also be thought of something that's very selfish.

Right, someone can think, Okay, this is what I want, this is my desire.

I'm going to go about whatever it takes to make that desire come true.

But what Jonathan is talking about is this heart's desire, and this heart's desire is really the communication from your higher self.

Your higher self is saying, look in this direction, think about these things.

Get a feeling for these sorts of things, because this is where before you came into this life, we talked about where you would spend your time, where you would focus your energies, where you would want to you know, the accomplishments you would like to make in your life, you see, And so those desires are more sacred in the sense that they're not really birth from the ego, they're not birth for a selfish and their birth from a perspective outside of the physical.

And because they come from a greater place like that, their purpose is more how should we say this Maybe altruistic, maybe perhaps, or it's something that's not so based on the currency of your incarnation or anyone's incarnation for that matter.

And so that's what makes it precious in my mind is even though your heart's desire may be very simple and straightforward, it's sacred in and of itself.

You have to look at it from the perspective of there's all sorts of different kinds of lives that are being lived, and some people's lives are very very difficult, right, Why would one wish to incarnate into a very very difficult life?

And yet they're no different in the sense that they have their heart's desire and they go about a path seeking their heart's desire in the face of the difficulty that they have in their life.

So it's a constant and it's a universal theme as well.

Yep, what are your angels?

How did angels participate in our human evolution?

And is there a direct way that we can work with the angels in our daily life?

Yeah, absolutely there is.

So the angels are there are angels present in our reality, and their focus is to assist humanity along the collective course of humanity's evolution, But they also work with individuals right on an individual basis.

So you've heard the concept of guardian angel, right, And sometimes these concepts are kind of confused between you know, who is your personal guide, who's my guardian angel and so forth.

But if we're speaking specifically about the angelic realm, the angelic realm is looking out for you in the sense of what it was that you intended for this life, and they'll assist you along that path.

They'll do it without you asking, because the request is implicit in the life that you're leading, and that they will expressly respond to requests that you make.

And so there's a book that I highly recommend that goes into the details of this that we could mention.

But there are a whole series of named angels that have a specific purpose, and when you invoke their name and you bring forth your request and you get out of your own way of receiving what it is that they are that you're asking for, then they can assist you in your life.

And they do assist you.

And I have a number of stories that I could tell about how I've directly experienced angels assistance in my life.

But know that the angelic g realm is here in support of humanity and can work with you directly to help you accomplish what it is that you set out to do in this life.

Not the selfish desire again, but the grander, more sacred desire of your heart's desire.

What is the name of that book.

Well, it is written by Anthony William The Medical Medium, and it's his original book, The Medical Medium.

And there is a chapter in that book that talks about the angels, and so it talks about I don't remember what the number is, it's quite a few, several dozen angels that have a specific purpose.

And then he also mentions the one hundred and forty four thousand unnamed angels which you can tap into as well, you can access.

So I would definitely recommend getting that book reading this chapter because he lays it out so eloquently and so clearly.

And the idea of how to contact the angel, how to phrase your request and all that he makes very clear.

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And well, it's a story.

So you piqued my interest when you said you have so many stories around this and.

How it served you.

I'd love to hear at least one of the stories.

Yeah, one of the stories, So you know, I have been working in the uh information technology field for years.

I've been working as a software developer.

That's how you make the ends meet, right, because when you do your spiritual work, that isn't necessarily you know, an income that you can support yourself from.

At least that's been my experience, and it isn't true for everyone obviously.

So I've been working as a software developer.

I had a position at a company in San Diego at the time, and that position naturally ran its course.

The people that I was working with left the project that I had been a part of.

It had gotten transmuted into something else and moved into a different part of the company.

So it was time for me to move on.

So I thought that I had found the perfect position for me next, and then I discovered that there was a mismatch the way that the company was structured and the way that I worked and so on.

It just wasn't a match.

So it was time for me to make another change.

And so then I said, okay, this there's got to be a better way to find a job.

You just don't go throwing your resume out and hoping that you know, you'll find somebody that's the right match and so on and so forth.

Right, so I found the appropriate angel for this.

I don't remember which one it was off the top of my head, and it'd be very clear when you read the chapter in the book that I mentioned, and I said, you know, this is what I'm looking for.

This is I feel like this is an important part of my next steps, because by having this income in this stable job, I'm actually able to support myself in doing this spiritual work.

Right.

And so I put that out there with the angels, and I would touch on it every day with the angels.

And then I got a request for an interview and I talked with the people there and they were just great.

I just had this sense that, ah, I think this is the right place to go.

So I started working with them, and then what happened after that was truly magical.

That little company was acquired by a much larger company, and that company was just in the process of really ramping up their technical operations, and so I was able to jump in and move into this very high level position, much higher than I had come from, and work towards building the success of this new company.

And I just don't you know, I have to attribute this to the request that I made to the angels, because it is exactly what I was asking for and much more.

Okay, everybody write that down, find the angel who's in charge of the type of creation you most desire, and start to work with them.

And I guess get out of the way for the magic to happen.

And I think something you said, John is so key, and I've heard it time and time again.

They don't just pop in.

You must ask so for something like you know, very three D, which is about money and making a living and all of that and being comfortable to sustain you, plus for you to do your other work.

We ask yes, and then they can come in.

Yep, ask, I'll receive.

This is a very important, very important phrase, and we've had it in our lives for as long as we can remember.

Right, And yet people don't really understand the power of asking, making their request.

And then the other part that people don't understand is that a lot of times, the way their psychology is set up is that they don't believe that they're either worthy, or that it's possible for them, or it's too good to be true, or any number of things.

Right, And that thought those thoughts actually go into the request itself, and so what happens is you nullify your request by the negative thinking that you have.

The angels take it all in and say, oh, you don't think you're worthy, Okay, we will grant that you are not worthy.

You know these sorts of things.

They are working on your behalf, on your behest right, what it is that you're asking for, and that comes through in your mental chatter as well.

You know what's say if you too, and it smithfully that story that begs me to ask you do you give private sessions to people?

Can people get a private session a channeling session from you?

Or how do you work with folks?

I do do that.

And the way it was before my shift into I have to say that, you know, now I'm working to actually do this spiritual work most of the time, as opposed to you know, technical work supporting my spiritual work.

I'm making a transition, right.

So before it was through friends and family and through a word of mouth.

That's how I did my work.

Now I have this website and on that website there's a link there that would allow you to book a session.

And what I recommend though, is people actually send me an email through that website and ask for a session, because there's some inflexibility built into booking on a website that I don't really like, but you know, there's not much I can do about it because technology is kind of inflexible, and so if they're interested in this session, they should really email me and then we can work together to set something up beautiful.

Well, that's again at Jonathan four five six dot org.

And we're going to take a quick pause, my friends, and when we come back, John will be allowing Jonathan to come through for all of us.

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With that, I'm going to bring John Klute back to the show, and John, would you do a channeling for us?

And would you just talk us through a little bit anything we should know about how the channeling goes, or if there's silence or all of that.

Yeah, certainly.

So what I do is I go into a state where I center myself and then I ask if Jonathan is available.

He always says yes, I'm always here, you know, but I have to ask, right, And then I also ask for those who are service to self that they may listen but may not participate.

And those and these are non physical beings, right, and those who are service to others may participate.

But Jonathan is the MC, He's running the show, right, And so typically what that means if there are others who are serving others and they have something to contribute to the conversation.

It's done through Jonathan.

So what happens then is I go in, I get centered.

I asked Jonathan to come forward.

I get the confirmation that he's present, and then it's like you're taking a leap.

It's like, okay, I let go and Jonathan jumps in, and it's it's sort of a leap of faith, you know, but it always, it always works out.

So with that, I will get started.

Thank you so much.

You are most welcome.

So part of this process I'll just describe.

While I'm getting centered here is is like a match of vibration or vibrational frequency.

Right, So I do some breathing.

I'm working to raise my varibration, and then Jonathan is working through the channels that he works through to meet me along the way.

He meets me wherever he finds me.

Right.

But then once we're joined in that energetic fashion, then he can speak through using my voice.

Very well, then we shall begin.

We are known as Jonathan.

It is a name that we adopt for convenience.

It's much easier to identify an energy by name.

So we offer the name of Jonathan, so that we can have a relationship, and so we are here to serve a little bit about us.

We come from what you might think of as the sixth dimension.

We come from an area of space that's typically referred to as serious b and we are a race of teachers, and we have been interacting with Earth for generations and generations of your time.

We come back every generation in multiple forms and through multiple speakers to act as teachers, to offer guidance and wisdom.

And in that sense, we are doing our job right.

And we're nothing special in the perspective of life in the universe.

We're all equally as important to each other.

What we lend is a slightly different perspective, right, we are not bound by the physical and we have access to a slightly wider viewpoint than typically one might have living through a physical body, and so we are here to offer our insight.

And typically the way that we work is on a one to one basis, because we have found that it is most defective to work with people on an individual basis because not everyone's concerns, issues, problems are the same.

Right, there's always subtle differences.

There's something that works better for you as you listen than would work for another person.

Perhaps if we're written in a book, you might not find it as accessible as us actually speaking with you on a one to one basis, because as we are speaking, we are beginning to form an energetic bond or relationship between ourselves and you, and through this bond then we can more readily communicate.

And so that is our introduction.

It is so good to see you, Debbie.

Thanks for having us here and granting us the opportunity to speak today.

So overjoyed that you are here.

Thank you for that very beautiful introduction, and thank you for forming a relationship with me through that That feels really good, That feels really.

Excellent, loving and caring.

Yes, indeed, and it is more than just you, Debbie.

There are others who are listening and will be listening that we are forming relationships with as well.

And so what we would wish to speak about when it comes time to do so is a message that would work for many individuals that we are in communication with through this opportunity that you have created.

So beautiful that you are a teacher from serious b that opens up so many questions.

Just so let me just go down that road for a moment, because yeah, okay, so there is a tribe called the till Gods who in West Africa, yes, and Mali, West Africa.

And so your people your people, I don't know if you can call yourselves people.

Your beings, your serious be beings have been visiting them for since like thirty two hundred BC on this planet and teaching them civilization and how to do the land and how to live and even astronomy.

Can you say some about that and what your relationships have been in that form with collective groups of people here on Earth.

Yes.

Also understand that it wasn't just the Dogon people, right that were contacted.

We've contacted many civilizations over time, and obviously with us being here today, we're contacting the current civilization, right, And we worked with the Egyptians.

Another notable experience and historical perspective that you can examine.

So the way that we see it is that at that time when we originally made contact, there were groups of individuals that were not so focused on the exterior world, right, what was outside of their physical body.

They were in touch with their inner world, right, and the inner worlds that are available to you as a human being in this day and age, you are mostly focused on your exterior worlds, right, and the stimulus and the distractions and such that your world presents to you.

But that civilization at that time was naturally attuned to the inner realms, and it was easy for us to make contact and because they were available, because we were seeking an outlet for our teaching work.

It was a natural connection.

And it is the same for subsequent civilizations and other times and other people's right, Egyptians being an example of that.

And so our focus was how to provide a knowing you say technology, often we would say that that's a good word to use.

We would offer technology such that people would find their lives easier, right, they would have less difficulty in providing for themselves on a day to day basis, protecting themselves, ensuring the continuance of their lives and the lives of their families.

So we would offer these technologies.

And as time evolved past the point of just the basic technologies to simplify and make life easier, we were able to add in technologies, understandings, the workings of the cosmos, so that those people, as they're outwardly focused, and this is the important part.

It's the outward focus of their physical expression is what we're looking to assist with.

We're able to take advantage of this advanced knowledge that we would partake or that they would partake in that we were giving to them, right, and that advanced knowledge then allowed them to have a deeper sense of purpose in their lives, a deeper sense of connectedness.

So it wasn't just so much about the details of the technology, for example, star maps, right, or a map of serious B and its relation in the cosmos to other stars and this planet and your sun and so forth.

But it was really more about the understanding of where they find themselves in this physical incarnation, how they're related to the cosmos, and how they interact with the cosmos, how their lives are important, why they're alive, What is the meaning of their lives, and why would they continue in this pursuit of living, not just because they found themselves there and they need to survive, but a higher purpose.

And what could be a higher purpose other than to provide the opportunity for their errors to live a life that is with greater ease, right, with greater purpose, with greater understanding, to lift them out of the ignorance of the times that they originally found themselves into a more heightened or enlightened perspective.

And we did that on the Egyptians as well, And that is what we attempt to do through John and this channeling work, and we attempt to do it on a one on one basis.

You see, yes, why Jonathan does so many humans struggle to follow their heart's desires and what energetic shift allows us to live in full alignment with it?

Ah, Well, full alignment that can be quite the challenge depending on your perspective.

And we honor your question, and it's a very important question.

But you must understand that the way that your world is constructed, it is designed to distract you, right.

It is designed to program you with what you might say, more important things to worry about.

Right.

And so you have this outer world that's constantly pulling at your attention and seeking your involvement and your energies and your time right in the fulfillment of whatever it is that the outer world is suggesting is a prize or a win for you in the outer world.

And so this message is given to you constantly.

It comes through in today it's more about social media.

It used to be about television, it used to be about radio, it used to be about magazines and books, and it used to be about the church to an even greater degree.

Right, the church would tell you how it is to live your life and what it is that's important for you to seek.

Now, we're not in any way putting the church down or denigrating it anyway, it was the focal point for people's lives.

This was the way it was for years and years, for generations and generations.

It was the church that taught you what was important and how to live your life and what to seek.

All of this being outside of you, right, all of it in service to you, through other people, through other beings.

Right, they would work on your behalf, and you were never given the idea to look within, because if you were to look within, then that would disrupt the structure that they would wish to set up.

Now, we don't want to go into too much detail, but I'm sure that you can understand that if everyone, at one point in time chose to look within, that the importance of social media would dry up instantly because all of that which they are seeking through social media would be supplied by their inquiry and quest and search into the realms of their inner beings.

See, so you are deliberately distracted from looking within.

Interesting you asked enough art to that question, and we would wish to address that.

I would love that.

Yes, perhaps you can remind us a bit since we have been a bit long winded with this description.

Yeah, the second party, that is what energetic shift allows.

The first part was why to human struggle to follow their heart's desire?

And the second part was what energetic shift allows us to live in full alignment with our heart's desire.

Well, this is very difficult, you know.

It is the challenge that most people are facing if they are looking to find a way out of the difficulties that they're facing this life.

A lot of times, that's exactly what is used to help people to look within.

It is the outer difficulties that they're experiencing that they can find no solution to.

We like to use the phrase cosmic tubai four.

Perhaps you've heard this before, where one person is continuing to seek a particular path, seek a particular outcome, or perhaps they are continuing to be unconscious to the feedback that the world is presenting them, that their spirit is presenting them, and then suddenly something happens that just shakes them up and causes them to pause and to consider what it is that they're doing, why they're doing it, and if there's a better way.

Right.

For some people, it is that they are born into this life looking for the way, the secret right.

They're looking for the optimal path that will get them to this sense of coherency between the frequency of their heart and what's showing up in their experience, you see.

And so for those people it's more straightforward because they are, for example, set upon a spiritual path.

This is one way to do this.

Some people become very religion justly focused.

They either become part of a religious order and take on a role in that religious order, all in the pursuit of this higher inner truth that can be spoken to them.

Right, Jesus can speak to you, God can speak to you there questing for this.

For those who are on the spiritual path, they are seeking the community of wise beings that can assist them in their own personal growth in this life.

You see.

So it really helps to have an interest in your inner world to begin with.

And then what you'll find is as you begin to look in that direction.

There will be books, there will be people, there will be seminars, there will be opportunities like the Conscious Life Expo that you mentioned earlier, where they can discover what matches their vibration and then begin to pour their energy in that direction and begin to learn, begin to expand begin to release that which has been withholding, which has been restricting, which has been limiting them to that point in time.

The threat help.

Yes, yes, so much, so much.

And I actually love that you included Clee Conscious Life Expo because whether it's that or any other event or listening to you and I, right now you start meeting your tribe, and I think also getting that support from people you know and love and you know can become friends with and be on this path.

And yes, there you never know where the miracle is going to be.

I agree so much.

And then, because right now there is a lot of repatterning around fear, around self doubt, around limitations, all of that on a vibrational level, is there a way to shift that and repattern that into a new frequency, a new operating system for us.

Yes.

One thing to keep in mind, and we like this idea, is that for the most part, your thoughts are not your own.

You are adopting the thoughts from either the common consciousness the subconsciousness.

You're adopting them from media.

You're adopting them essentially from the vibrational energy patterns that are constantly bombarding you.

So they're not your energetic patterns.

And yet you've been taught that what you hear and what you perceive is important in some way, that it's either truth or it carries some weight.

This information, these ideas that come from outside of you to carry weight, and that you should pay some attention to them.

But we are suggesting is that if your thoughts, for the most part are not your own, there is nothing that is compelling you to give those thoughts any weight, any serious consideration.

All that you need to seriously consider is what is my heart's desire?

What is it that drives my passion that I get up in the morning and I'm excited about right?

What idea is there for me that I wish to fulfill, that I wish to explore?

And you follow that any of these thoughts that are around the idea of something to be fearful of, something to be cautious of, something that would take your attention away from the pursuit of your heart's desire is something that you can ignore, and you can ignore it safely because an advanced part of listening to your heart's desire that we haven't spoken of much is that you will be guided to the appropriate resources, to the appropriate path, to the appropriate choices to make for yourself, so that you can continue to explore and expand your exploration of your heart's desire, and you can let go of all of those programs that the outer world would wish to foist upon you, because remember the purpose of their programs is to distract you, right is to hold you prisoner to not explore your heart's desire.

Wow, Wow, amazing.

I love that answer here, Jonathan.

Any specific unseen civilization species, multi dimensional beings who are contributing to humanity's awakening.

Right now, well, indeed, there are too many to mention.

Truthfully speaking, right now, you are in a time of transition, and you spoke of this earlier.

There is an ending, and also that implies a beginning, does it not.

And because there's this transition that is in the offing, or is in process, or is in the work, shall we say there are many, many civilizations that hover around your planet.

You know, for lack of the appropriate term, they don't necessarily hover.

Some do.

Some are here in spacecraft, and they're hidden and cloaked from your ability to perceive them, but they are here watching the way that your world, our planet, the people upon the planet are choosing to navigate the energies of this time.

Right, And we would say quickly that the probabilities and the timelines are now being simplified and simplified and simplified until there's only one timeline left, and we will leave people guessing as to what that timeline is.

But what we would also say is that we all make it.

This is the thing to remember.

We all make it.

We make it through this time, and we are joyful at the accomplishments that we make.

And so all those who are around the planet today in observation are learning from us and our process.

And also there are those who are in a position to assist in the physical world as you make requests.

Now, their ability to participate is limited because they're not permitted to overtly change the outcome of a particular process, right, But they can assist you, they can influence you they can set up circumstances that support you.

Now, this is a very complicated topic which we could spend probably hours talking about, but understand that there are those advanced civilizations about your planet that are support those who are asking for support, and there are those here in incarnation in their physical bodies that have pre existing agreements with these what you term extraterrestrials and are working with them on a daily basis to make the process of transition less fraught with difficulties and smooth this transition as much as it can do.

Talk about it, for I could do a series on it as well.

I love that subject so very much.

I is an It is unendingly fascinating to me exploration.

I feel like the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know about all of that, and layers upon layers.

So that leads me to ask you, Jonathan, what final message you have to all of those lists watching.

What is the one thing you wish every soul on Earth would remember or know today?

This is something that has been said very often, but people forget all the time that you are not alone in your life.

Right.

You may have families, certainly, you may have friends and you can say, well, yes, of course I'm not alone, but that's not what we are talking about.

What we are talking about is that from beyond the edges of your physical world, there are beings that love you, that support you, whose express purpose in being is to support you in your endeavors, and so you are never alone.

However, they can't interfere with your life.

Right You've been given free will, You have your choices to make, and as you open to the idea that you have help that there are those beings that are here to assist you along your path, and you make a request, then they can step in and add their energy, add their wisdom, help to refine the path that you're taking in this life.

So as you remember that you are not alone and that there is help available to you, step out of your way, meaning get rid of the negative self talk.

Ask for the assistance that you're looking for and then actively receive it.

Assume that you're getting the assistance that you ask for.

We can tell you for a fact from our perspective that as you ask, you receive, and so it is one always goes with the other.

When you ask, you shall receive, And so know that you are receiving when you ask, and as you stop the negative self talk, as you get out of the way of allowing the fulfillment of what it is that you're requesting, your life transform.

And so what we would suggest is just to try it, and you can try it on a small scale.

That's awesome.

I love that.

I love that.

I used to do that in a particular program where I would release a belief so powerful that it created no thing, literally a space of blackness and which to create what I preferred.

And I would do that.

I would put into that no thing that which I discreated, that which I chose to create, and then I would go out into the world.

Of course, there's a lot of integration when that happens.

It's pretty powerful.

And then I would go out into the world and experience look for the proof, that's the very proof of what I had just created, and indeed it was everywhere.

Yes.

And what's important to remember about that is that you live in a world that is inclusive, not exclusive.

You don't operate in a way where you're excluding things from your life.

What you do is you include and you transform.

And it's exactly what you were saying.

You look at belief and you actually transform that belief and you actually replaced it, perhaps with something more grand, more powerful, giving a greater opportunity.

Right, And then that's a whole new set of variables that you begin to learn about and become accustomed to and understand how to work with.

Slip one more question in here at the end, because I'm thinking about something with everything you're sharing right now, and I'm going back to the very beginning when I was speaking to John Klug and he was talking about heart's desire.

That there's that selfish one that people are in it for themselves, but then there's the heart's desire that is aligned with the sacred, with what that which the soul agreed to do, be experienced their mission, if you will in this life, I want to ask on behalf of everybody who may be saying, but I.

Don't know what that is?

How do I know?

How do I align?

How do I find that?

You know?

Swimming in this ocean of life right now?

What would you say to them?

We hear this question often.

We love that you are bringing this up because this is the one that many people find the most difficult to wrestle with, to resolve in their lives, and what we would say is, let us how shall we put this?

Your heart's desire has always been the same, ever since.

You can remember your thoughts from a very young age.

The difference being how you perceive your heart's desire.

Right when you were young, you perceived it in a particular way, and then as you grew older, you became more mature.

Your viewpoint became more mature.

You added your experience, and then the wisdom to that, and then the way that that seems to talk to you, your heart's desire seems to have shifted.

But what you need to remember is that when you were little, there were things that just got you fired up, that you were so excited about, that you were so interested in, that brought you so much joy.

If you can remember what those are, and then even today, think about what brings you joy, what you gravitate to, what is naturally something that you are attracted to, and begin to explore those in greater detail.

It could be that there is something about art that you always found fascinating, and when you were small, you drew so many pictures that there wasn't enough There wasn't enough room on the refrigerator to hold your latest masterpiece, you know, and so if it is art that is of interest to you, turn your attention back to that and begin to dabble with that.

But it can be anything, absolutely anything.

And this heart's desire also shifts with your age as well.

So it could be that when you were younger, part of your heart's desire was physical accomplishment.

But physical accomplishment then perhaps can diminish with age, and so then that morphs into accomplishments that are more about your focus of attention and your dedication and your discipline, you see, And so begin to remember what it is that brings you joy, that brings the fire to your heart again, and spend time with that, begin to explore it, start to experiment with it, and bring bring it into your life more fully.

Thank you so much for this time with us, and really is very beautiful to our honor conversation.

Thank you, Thank you.

And as he makes the transition, I want to be very sensitive to what that may feel like.

I want to give out his website again.

I think you can spell Jonathan, but just in case, it's jo Na thho N four five six dot org and John will be speaking at Conscious Life Expo February twenty twenty six.

You can go to Debbie Dashinger dot com slash cl and get tickets.

I believe they're discounted right now, so don't wait.

And John, I know you mentioned earlier that you had worked with very powerful teachers like Snaia Roman and Carla Rukert.

What timeless lessons did they pass on that still guides your practice today?

Well, it was interesting, especially with Carlo Rukert, because I had come to her advanced channeling class with the idea that channeling was going to be my way to evolve as a person, and she says, no, channeling, it's not about your own personal evolution.

Channeling is a service that you're providing to the world, right, And so she was able to, you know, to reset the way that I was thinking about it.

You know, I have this value proposition of me being a channel, which was completely backwards because what it is is that Jonathan is there and Jonathan is the one that is providing his wisdom, his energies, and I am simply the medium, the channel, the instrument as he calls me for his wisdom, for his teaching.

It's not about me, right, And it's not what I can get out of doing this.

It's really about, you know, the the gift that Jonathan gives through this opportunity of speaking in the world today.

You know, John what form he takes, if he's just energy, or if he's a dolphin, or if he's a way, et cetera.

No, yeah, he does not take a form that you understandstand as you know, like something from the physical world in the sixth dimension.

You know, the best that we can understand it is that they're all balls of light with patterns and colors in them.

And so that's the way Jonathan shows up.

He's a big ball of light with many different colors, depending in patterns, depending on what it is that he's talking about.

Tell us what's next for you?

What are you doing?

Where can we find you?

Et cetera.

Yeah.

So one of the places that you can find me is in a book called Awakened Hearts, and so that's an anthology.

Part one was published back in June, and I wrote a chapter in that anthology and you can find out more about me there, which might give people who are on a similar path, or maybe not even a similar path, some you know, inspiration in terms of of you know how they proceed in their own life, right, and so what's coming for me is the Conscious Life Expo.

And then there are just a series of get togethers and such that I haven't even bookchet that are coming in twenty twenty six, and so I'll have that on my website as time goes on.

Right, So it sounds like going to Jonathan four or five six dot org is the way to keep following him events calendars.

Again, he is speaking, you said, Saturday morning, nine am.

Yes, I'm just like Expo.

They give you a beautiful program.

By the way, besides the fact that everything's online.

I mean, these people, these producers haven't mapped out.

It's honestly the most amazing event.

And then when you arrive and it's yeah, I'm giving a free talk too.

On Friday night at seven.

Then I'm moderating a plant medicine panel, and I'm moderating an ET connections panel.

And I love this commerce.

I get two and a half hours moderating these panels.

I mean, And I was actually just looking.

Somebody was saying to me, Oh, I want to sign up for your panels.

You know, how do I do it in advance?

And I knew it was extra money, and I made this big faux pas.

You know, just like to be transparent.

If I don't put my glasses on, I'm wearing contacts right now, it's bad.

I'll see things that don't exist.

So I was thinking it was like some huge price tag, and I was thinking, oh, how do I invite people to come for that?

Then later I put my glasses and I'm like, oh my gosh, two and a half hours for twenty dollars.

I mean.

Right on top of so you can come see John speak for free, Me speak for free.

And then if you want to add on these things.

It's so minimal, but I promise you you'll meet friends.

You'll have fun.

They have dancing, they have music, they have food, they it is an experience, So please join us.

Debbie dashinggeur dot com, Slash for Conscious Life XPL, slash c LI and John.

What are your next dare to dream?

This is dare to Dream.

What are your future dream goals or just visions?

What are your heart's desires?

It's funny because Jonathan just remind me of this.

He's saying, now, we want you to on a daily basis, as much as you're able to sit and speak with us, record it and put it on Instagram and TikTok.

Yes do it?

Follow you will follow you, Yes, we'll watch you.

Oh my god, thank you Jonathan.

Now is the time.

I agree.

And by the way, I could be better at that too.

I mean, obviously I do this every week and I do other things online, but doing the sitting down and doing the video and the connection, I have to put it on my calendar because it is a little challenging for me, even for five minutes.

And I'm very right personality, but I get with the camera and the video, I'm like, what am I going to talk about?

Right?

And it's kind of nice because I don't have to worry about that.

That's Jonathan lucky.

He says, just just you know, make the time and I'll take care of the rest.

It's beautiful.

Tell Jonathan to like wink wink, nudge nudge me because I would love But I've always thought how beautiful to be a chalent channel and to just open yourself.

And receive like so lovely.

I can't wait to give you a hug when I see you at Conscious Life Expo.

We'll see you there, and I thank you so much John Klug and Jonathan for just really bringing us I think very timely information.

Thanks so much, well, thank you.

It is a gift that you give to me and to everyone that has an opportunity to listen and interact with the work that you do.

So thank you.

Yeah, it's Jonathan four dot Org.

I end the show with this reminder.

Remember your dreams are not something that you chase.

Their memories of the future calling you home.

So trust your heart, listen to your angels, and dare to dream because creation itself is listening.

This has been Dare to Dream for curious souls connecting with extraterrestrial life, higher dimensions and ancient shamanic wisdom.

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