The Deep End by ODF is a podcast where visionary builders, creators, and experts discuss world-changing ideas. We skip the surface level and go in depth into ideas that matter including the futures of commerce, higher education, art, governance, longevity, and more with some of the most exciting figures in these fields. The Deep End is hosted by Julian Weisser and produced by ODF —where we help more people start the best companies. Visit ideas.beondeck.com for show notes and additional essays.