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We're going to go ahead and bring Mike on so that he can join in with the professor and the Dean and we can get all of their perspectives on this as we go forward now.

The producer calls him the Great Oz.

No one sees him.

He's just always behind the.

And the guy that no one believes exists?

They all believe it's just a figment of the professor's mind to blame.

It's my lies.

I'll be like, Oh no, my partner didn't.

I I didn't do that.

It was him.

And he handles all that that.

Could be your screen name, the great and powerful Oz.

Right.

So now we can actually jump to this question where it says what was the original vision for CND and how close are you to achieving that or have you achieved it?

Are you guys still trying to like make it better?

Well.

I, I would say that it's, you know, we, we've achieved some of the goals we've set out to achieve, but no side is ever perfect.

As, as time goes by and the industry evolves, there's always improvements that you're able to make to make a site better.

You know, our, our primary goal was to make, you know, C&D, not necessarily a, a, a classified ABS location for swingers.

The goal with it was always to create a community, a place where people could go and interact in more ways than just, you know, trying to set up a hookup or, or look at what the events are.

You know, we wanted to create a, a community so and with that, you know, the the only communities that were around back then were the online for the most part was, you know, Facebook and I don't know, was Myspace around back then?

I don't remember.

The AOL chat rooms.

Yeah, you know, AOL chat room was a bomb and screwed the test next day.

Yeah.

Chucky D you know.

It's nothing good ever came out of AOL chats.

But we wanted a Facebook for swingers, and that's exactly what we built and says is we went through two major iterations since we launched in 2013 and one on the cusp of another big redesign and launcher within the coming months.

I'm sure you have some questions about that, Miss Dawlo.

Well, you talked about funds.

I would say that is a more perfect question for the site than it is for our parties, our events.

You know, funds are definitely another story when it comes to the website.

And I mean, if we had unlimited funds, if we would have a bomb website that had no issues at all ever, right, Mike?

Yes, I would.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

You know, we do the best we can with the budget we have.

We try to give our, our members the best bang for the buck and we were on a relatively large website for a relatively modest amount of money.

And you know, we, we started seeing, do you think with what, 500 bucks back in 2013?

And you know, and we, we built it and modified it and groomed it into what it is today.

And they'll be more grooming as time goes on.

I.

Think people, what people have to realize is that we've been around for a while, but initially like they were saying it was more just, it was, it was a community for us here in this area and it's, it's grown.

It's not like it's, it's more organic.

We didn't set it out like there's some bigger websites who they targeted all these different areas and that was their goal to get into other places.

That wasn't what we set out for initially.

Even with the WC part, you know, we initially started with parties just for a space for our group.

Then it was a community.

And then now we're, we're starting to evolve where it's the community, but the community is growing.

Like you see it.

There's different states coming involved, different major areas coming involved.

So the community is growing where that's that's going to be something that people are.

And we're already getting people.

We see people like the producer and I know Mike sees people complaining sometimes about, oh, we got all these new people coming in.

I don't feel like I want to put my pictures up right, All these new people.

I'm like, well, this is what some of you complain about, that you wanted to get bigger and go to more states than it is now that it's in.

So we're already seeing the growing pains of you want more people, but you don't want the problems or whatever that, you know, having new people kind of bring.

That was important thing you touched on was the organic growth.

So that was that was the decision we made way back in the very beginning is we made the decision to not be indexed by large search engines.

We wanted the growth of CND to be organic for the most people telling other people to join the site.

If you were not familiar with CND, we were not the easiest to find online and that was by choice because we, we know and we've seen with other sites that might be bigger than us do not necessarily have the demographics that we have.

And we wanted to try to keep things as balanced and keep the site focused on, you know, couples and their lifestyle.

It's affected growth, but I think we've been able to provide a much higher quality site as a result of that.

So would you guys say that when you started out you were looking at producing a website for information or were you looking to build a community?

Definitely community.

Community.

You had to do with information.

I got a question for you.

This is one of my favorite ones.

How do you guys handle things like conflict?

You know, consent issues or or violations?

OK, like someone who has a complaint, right?

Rock Paper.

Scissors fun that GPT.

No, you know what?

My assistant.

My assistant handles that.

But you know what, I'll talk from a party standpoint, like an event standpoint.

We've had some serious issues in the last probably a couple years come up.

You know, when I say serious issues like, you know, harm or, you know, authorities can get involved, stuff like that, where we've had to take these things under serious advisement.

And you know, we don't take a lot of that stuff lightly.

And if there has to be a point where we've had words send people to the authorities, we have to.

But there's also things that come up that don't have like it's not cut and dry where you got to make AI don't know if it's a moral decision, you would say, but it's it's a lifestyle decision where, you know, I want to give you an example without getting into it, but there's there's times that you have to make a decision based off of lifestyle rules.

Basically, you know what, I'm, I hope you can understand what I'm saying without me going to specific examples.

But we have to make decisions sometimes where it's like there's not an answer for it, but we have to come up with the best for the community.

So there's a lot of different ways.

Sometimes we handle it with, you know, you got to go to the authorities for that.

This is serious enough for that.

Or there's sometimes where I have to be the bad guy, so to speak.

A lot of times I have to be the bad guy.

There's some of you guys who fucking probably hate me for stuff because I used to make him hate Chucky D for stuff at the parties.

I would make him go tell people to fucking.

Bad news and I did not mind doing it.

But my greatest Chucky D bad news story was there was a single male who who wanted to come to the party and we and for whatever reason, I don't remember what the reason was, Chuck, but we were like, no, he's not fucking getting in.

And I wasn't at the door.

But later Chuck comes up to me and goes, yeah, you know, he tried to get in, right?

And I said, no, what did you tell him?

He goes, oh, guess what I told him.

He goes in his pocket.

He pulls out a lot of money like a little kid, like a 5 year old.

It was balled up.

There was like coins in it and shit.

There was a dollar bill on the outside.

And he puts it in my hand and I go, what is this?

He goes $17.00 and 63 fucking cents.

I was like, I was like, why do you have this?

He goes, that's all he had on him.

He tried to sneak in the party, he said that's all he had on him.

So I took it.

Hey, he's lucky I didn't kick him out, OK?

Yeah, he loved doing that shit.

Loved it so that.

Kind of plays into the next one.

The next question that pops up is how do you support newcomers who are nervous or unsure of where to start?

At our, at our events or on the.

On the site.

Say the site.

We don't 'cause we already talked about the event.

There's no, there's no site sort of orientation.

I would say the best advice I give new people are post, get involved.

You know what I mean?

Like make comments, post pictures of yourself.

Don't just be a lurker like fucking Chucky D over there.

If you.

No one's going to know who you are, what you're looking for, get involved.

That's what I say for newcomers.

Like I know you're probably nervous and you're thinking, oh, this is stupid.

But if you want people to look at your profile, send you a message, want to meet at a party, they're going to want to see something that's just the way it is.

And you can be hot as all hell, but no one's going to know it unless you post it out there.

So that's that's my advice for newcomers.

You should also advise on how to pick the right screen name.

What are the screen names that the professor absolutely hates?

Or that there are 50 million of them?

There's a lot of.

People in that role of that Mike, what it what do you think, Mike?

Let's ask Mike this question.

He would know what is the most common name in the database for for users.

I would have to say some variation of couple.

Fun.

Fun.

Sexy.

Fun couple.

Fun fun.

Sexy new company.

There's a lot of MN something.

Curious.

Lot of curious.

Curious what else?

Let's see, there's the shy.

That one's been a recent one lately.

Shy.

I hate that one too.

I would say to.

Do a query on that.

Yeah, we're going to do a poll on that.

Fun's probably, yeah.

We should do what's the most common single feel Single, single female.

What single female and single male cause the single?

Males.

Single males.

Probably lately.

Lately, it's Bowl.

Shaggy D What was Shaggy D talking about?

He a boy over there.

What do you say?

What do you say?

If Chucky D signed up today, it would just be a wall full of his big old slong hanging it out because that's how they do it now.

He'd just be out there flapping it around.

The new the new site should have like a something on it for new people that are, you know, signing up.

Yeah, Mike, get on there a.

Name or something?

I mean, that would be kind of handy, yeah.

Or a.

Name Exam.

Yeah, nothing.

No, they got to.

This is like the first day of school.

You got to fight through this awkwardness.

You got to get through it on your own.

There's 1.

You get 1 reprieve.

You get a chance to change it.

But I think we don't let that's.

Hard for people It's hard for people, members The three names.

Are for.

Use of C&D can change their username under settings.

See, you get one.

Everybody gets one.

Peter.

Look, I would say let them fight through this.

Let them fuck this first one up and then you their one magic change.

We all need to go.

You know which ones are changing their username before their weekly trial even ends.

You're like, they sign up and you're like, they're definitely connecting soon.

They're definitely changing that soon.

Especially the ones that sign up with their real names.

Yeah, Aaron, Yeah.

OK, the other one, the other ones that I enjoy too are the ones that like they put the picture of themselves as their profile and then like 3 or 4 scrolls.

On 3/4 wall clicks.

Then you have like the heart, their faces like covered, but you.

Won't change it like 3 or 4.

Those are hilarious.

And they're like, their face is covered now.

It's like, got you.

We didn't start there.

You'll see them through the 1st wall when they'll be like they'll put their first name out there like Brent Rogers.

Like what you know, Speaking of that, one of the questions they had out there is how do you maintain privacy and discretion for members both online and in person?

But let's talk about online.

Online you read the fucking rules and that's your profile settings properly.

People do that shit.

We just had someone on the wall the other day, like had a security breach or whatever.

Lo and behold, went in and like they have it all registered to all.

They didn't even try to set the setting.

You want to do friend to friend.

Mike, how often is it like when there's a complaint?

Is it user?

What's it called?

User error?

Yeah, user error.

1.

110%.

Of the.

Time we're testing or messaging yeah user.

And of those 110 times, how many of those are the professors?

We had one guy, we had one guy swear up and down when he was hacked, right?

He said.

One guy kept saying he was hacked.

We was on the fucking horn.

Like you sure, let's check this shit out.

So we was looking and Mike looks it up and he's like the IP is coming from in your house.

His fucking wife was on his side, on his.

I can't tell you how many times we've been accused of being hacked and we're hacked.

It's like we're not hacked.

You just you need to talk to the other the other half here couple.

Fucking same house, yeah.

So have we, have you ever had that where you know, I hear companies getting hacked, people getting into their into the system.

So it has C&D ever had that before?

No.

So we, we've never had any breach of any sort.

We, we take pretty extreme lengths to protect the identity and privacy, privacy of of our members.

We don't even handle actually any of the billing ourselves.

We actually utilize third party companies for billing.

Yeah, we've all been mad ACC Bill before.

So it has its challenges, but ultimately that that's their core competency.

That's what CC Bill does is just payment processing.

So when a member enters in any of their personal information, whether it be credit card information, etcetera, CND, we don't actually see that information.

We don't host that information, We don't store that information.

That's all stored with CC to bill our payment partner so we never have to worry about that information being at risk on what's funny.

What's funny?

They're laughing at me.

I'm trying to make sure my camera see what these fucks are doing.

They're all kind of fun of me because I'm moving my camera.

What the hell?

Keep checking the camera angles, you don't got my good size.

It is so good we are.

Not video broadcasting got that foreheads big you, you don't need to expose it.

So let's let's kind of get into that, Mike, let's talk more about the analytics.

You know, how many, how many members are active right now on the site, would you say?

Well, I don't want to give firm numbers, but I'll I'll say that the active members over let's say a 30 day period where someone logs in, you know, it's it wouldn't be unheard of to see 10,000 members log in over a one month period.

I didn't know there was.

I remember we have people that go away and what people don't understand is like in the lifestyle, we have one person.

We, we have, well, we have a couple people that will sign up and they'll go away and like, oh, I'm breaking up this week and then next week they're back.

So it happens every fucking week.

So three months span you got people that are logging and logging out maybe 2-3 times.

So you don't know, people will have an inactive profile.

People like, oh, there's only inactive profiles on there.

That person will be back in six fucking months.

Just wait, wait around.

They'll be coming back around the fucking mountain every time.

Or you have active members that only log in every couple months.

Like they're still out there, but they're just out there.

They're busy with their family or doing things.

Yeah, Well, you.

Don't seem to remember too is very high percentage of our profiles are couples.

So every profile there's two active members, you know, for the most part.

So you, you have a, you know, we can clearly see it often on different profiles where there's two different people logging in from, you know, the same profile.

So.

That's the same thing with events too.

People will see on our listing for events, you'll see like 300 on there.

That's not 300 people, that's 300 profiles.

So go by that, not the number of, that's not the number of people.

It doesn't count people.

So when you see like what I just see the Spring Mansion party is 180.

So that's 180 profiles, not 180 people.

Interesting.

Do you guys keep track of how many members use C&D mobile versus on a computer?

80 to 85% are visiting from a mobile device.

I was going.

To say I very I very rarely log in on that laptop or because I forget about it.

Well, I'm I'm in the other direction.

I never I don't have the mobile app.

I didn't know you guys had one.

I just do the controller.

We.

Don't have a mobile app?

That's the sore subject.

But it's a good subject.

Mike.

Why?

Doesn't CNT have a mobile app?

You know that that is a great question and I find myself asking myself that why do we not have a mobile app?

And the simple answer to that is because Google and Apple do not like our content with the content that we have on our site.

If we were to have a mobile app, we would not be able to have the wall and have albums.

Well, we could have the wall, we just wouldn't be able display any images containing any sort of nude.

Nights, gift pics and fucking pics you like to see.

We can't have that.

Yeah, so.

A lot of people don't realize is that because it's an adult website, it's actually considered pornography to the web or World Wide Web.

C&D is considered an.

Adult to the interweb, we are porn.

To the interweb, so we.

Are putting your little kid up there on fucking quad.

Don't post you on your fucking cool horse or your snake wrapped around your puss because that's bestiality.

Stop doing it.

No dog pigs, No cat pigs.

None of it.

Yes, to the real world we are considered an adult content website, so we we are plagued by the rules and restrictions that come with that so so it's.

Not dandy, it's it applies to all swinger sites.

Yes, and some others have tried to do it and they have created apps and again, those apps weren't able to show content here, they're watered down.

Versions.

Yes, they're very watered down and when you click try to click on an image on there, it would take you off the app to to the website and then you have to re log in to try to look at that that image.

It just was not a good user experience.

So we've tried to always create a very mobile friendly website and to come you're going to see some enhancements in US adopting some additional technologies that will will make the mobile experience even more closely resemble an app, a native app on either Android or.

Apple, do you use apps though?

Let's be honest.

Honestly, do you use apps?

I do, while we were just talking about this, I just used my door dash app so I can get dinner tonight.

My hotel, okay.

I'm out here in the country, they don't have DoorDash and I'm so sad.

Does xhamster have okay?

I don't know that's why I'm asking.

I don't use that shit unless they forced me to use it.

That's why I asked you.

I don't use that.

I know you don't change.

Like pictures or update your contacts.

So wait.

No, I have 10,000 contacts in my phone.

I refuse to update.

If you get a new phone number, don't fucking send it to me.

All right?

Just we won't talk anymore.

I'm not updating shit.

I'm not editing.

Just.

Asking for your phone and I'll just update it myself.

You just.

Put it in yourself, because I'm not doing it.

So let's talk about your retention rate.

Do you guys know what what that looks like right now?

Well.

Retention rate can be measured in several different metrics.

How long a member is on the site?

Whether someone converts from a trial member to a paid member.

What exactly you're referring to?

I don't know.

Somebody asked that question.

I'm just.

Asking.

The point it.

Looks like I don't know I would.

Say I would say the general from like when they switch over to a paid.

What I can say is that our retention rate is equal to or better than the industry standards.

For lifestyle sites, you're saying?

For lifestyle websites.

OK, so I can say the same.

These questions were provided by members of C&D.

And I think what they're trying to get to is what is the lifestyle turnover and how does that compare to C&D?

But I mean, every time you go to an event, 60% of that crowd is brand new.

So the turnover in the lifestyle period is high, but a lot of those people are sitting out there in the lurking in the site and meeting people in the back and they're just not always coming to every single party.

So I'd say C&D is bigger than it appears by just what's on the wall.

Yeah, because if you're on bigger sites, you're getting people from the Internet now, you're getting a lot of single males, you're getting a lot of fluff, you're getting a lot of that.

When you come to C&D, if you actually go to the events, you're going to actually meet the real people, the people that actually doing it on those other places.

I think if you see on, I see on, I ain't going to name it, but there's one that says it gives you the hourly update or people that signed up today or this week and have like a astronomical number.

If you dug into those profiles on there, because I have before, I was like, those are garbage profiles.

There's their garbage profiles.

If you see some oh, 10,000 today signed up or whatever this week signed up their garbage profile.

If you come to CND when you go to events, I can say this, I, I don't browse sites anymore, so I can't speak to that.

But if you go to events from it, you're going to find way more real people at our events than you are that sign up or that you see on this other larger site.

I can I can tell you.

That well that ties back to what I was originally saying about the organic growth CND yes, we could.

We could do things to make this site grow much quicker, but a high percentage of those profiles would be worthless profiles.

Mike, you have had countless conversations over the years about.

Like many, many countries.

Where it's like all right, do we flip the fucking faucet on or do we keep it the way we keep it?

Because once you flip the faucet on you become the site that you all fucking talk shit on that you're like, oh it's gross on there.

We either become that or we think of a new way of working around it.

So it's always been a challenge of seeing.

So I mean the industry standard is realistically 3 to four months for when a new member comes on till they're gone.

I will tell people three months is is what what you're looking.

At and and we are better than that, you know, not by, you know, hundreds of percent, but our ours is better than that.

But then the the people that we tend to keep the longest are actually the couples.

And that's that.

That's what the goal of CND is, to keep the couples.

Like I was just going to say, I said if you if you are looking for single females and you see one pop up, you have three days.

All right, you have three days.

You have three days, but keep in mind that poor woman just had 50 messages thrown at her in one hour.

I get the damn first, but you guys have three days, OK?

How do you guys verify it's a it's a female?

A single female what?

Are you talking about how we.

Verify.

How do you verify?

How do you know it's not some creeper coming on holding?

Out A tag team lurking in the background.

Is that what you're saying?

Stop, man.

I don't know.

What you're talking about?

How do we know it's not A tag team?

Everyone go to tag team profile right now.

Unfriended.

Got lots of friends.

We don't need to verify single females.

You got that three day period.

If they're real, there's very few real ones that stay around past the trial period.

So we can't verify that, but it verifies itself.

You know I mean.

It could be a male on there creeping as a single female.

Just like the couple could be a single male or a female.

I mean, maybe, maybe the better question is how does the community verify itself?

Because I think.

That's community.

Is that the verification comes through talking to the people and it like the people that say, well, we didn't really message anyone.

We didn't talk to anyone.

So we never really feel like we were part of the site.

Well, well, that's why because they didn't know whether you're real or not.

You didn't post, you didn't comment, you didn't send messages.

I don't know how many times people just can tell like we get.

People all the time that are saying.

Like, I'm pretty sure that's not a real.

I mean, the community policies itself.

And usually it's, it's us just taking action based on on the community policing itself, though they'll, they'll let us know when, hey, this profile doesn't look right.

And at that point we're able to look into it and see, yeah, yeah, something doesn't look right here.

And.

Recently viewed single male and you see me on there.

I'm on that ass, all right?

You know who's going to be the troublemakers?

I'm on that ass.

And we have moderators that moderate and try to those fake profiles out.

If we suspect an issue, we can ask for various types of verification from them to verify who they are.

You've got a lot of you work for the fucking FBI.

You got a lot of questions.

We're not done yet.

Hey the community had a lot of questions and I only gave them an hour advance notice to this and we that's how many questions we got.

It's sitting on it.

Yeah, look.

Let's let's step back to 2020, some of our listings.

Oh shit, this sounds specific.

What I'm?

Doing 02020, we had COVID, right?

COVID.

I want to know how did that affect the C&D community and the event planning.

We tried to make the site fun for people because we knew that everybody was just sitting at home.

So we would start doing, you know, different picture days and different.

It was kind of hard to do giveaways because usually our giveaways are, you know, parties and stuff like that.

Then we weren't having parties because we weren't allowed, but you know, we tried to just make it more fun and, and have different themes for different days.

And, you know, today, wear your favorite red or wear your favorite, you know, leather.

It was the longest picture theme contest of all time.

We did like it was by the week, like by the month.

It was crazy.

But now the story I was going to tell, I thought you were going to tell is that year it was Mardi Gras was the party, right?

So it's February, Mardi Gras was the party.

And everybody like this shit was starting to happen.

Like that little ticker up on the corner, left corner of your screen that was counting bodies in Washington and shit.

It was low at first when Mardi Gras was popping.

So we had over like 500 people signed up ready to come.

And then it started getting more serious.

Like he started seeing like it got him to the 100 thousands on the number for COVID.

And everyone was like, damn, what are we doing?

No one's made an official call on it yet.

So finally we had to make the decision.

And even the hotel was not giving us guidance on it.

The hotel wasn't saying like, oh, you guys got to cancel it.

They were just like, it's up to you.

It's up to you.

The CDC hasn't said anything yet.

And finally we said, you know what, just for the sake of everyone's well-being and everything, shit, ours too, we're going to cancel it.

We got so many messages from people because no one was canceling.

Everyone was staying like they're attending.

We got so many messages from people going thank you, man.

Thank you for making that decision for us because we didn't know what to do and we were going to show up and go to this super spreader event or whatever.

Everybody was.

I got, I can't tell you how many people said thank you for us making that decision for them.

But the next event would have been Halloween.

We did Halloween that year and it was dull.

The weird rules where you had the you had the mask on, take a sip of your drink, put the mask back on.

So we had to like go around and regulate that.

The hotel made us like check to make sure people wasn't drinking or partying without a mask on.

COVID was weird.

It was basically a lost year in the, in the lifestyle itself.

It was, it was a lost year, but there was a lot of events and a lot of things that didn't come back from COVID.

I think there was a period where we were sort of like we survived COVID obviously because we kept having parties, but it it wasn't until maybe a whole year later until the parties sort of bounced back.

During COVID or were there any positives that came out of it?

Stimulus check.

I don't know.

Look, I don't know nothing really like, I mean from.

These standpoint we saw a pretty significant increase in, you know, interactions on the site.

Yeah, people don't know.

Interaction.

I mean, we did see.

Parties and.

Shit, damn, I wasn't invited.

Jackass.

We have a question that came up about if Minneapolis relaxed its regulations, would you ever consider opening a private sex club or physical venue?

And I think the, the Dean and I were aligned on this, but I'll get her answer after I answer.

But I would say no, just given our history with clubs.

But we, we started in club and travel around the club.

But they're cool.

I, I like going to clubs, but as far as a business goes, you got to think of a, to me, a swing club is just like a VFW or the Legion.

Every weekend you go there and it's all Jimmy and Susan's going to get in a fight tonight and Tommy's drunk again and it's the same mother fucker.

It's only when they have a DJ in or it's the holiday party or the Halloween party where you're going to see new people.

Otherwise, the first two to three weeks of the club are going to be the same people and then there's one event a month, just like you would come here to a hotel party that's bigger and there's going to be new people.

That's that's sort of my view on the clubs.

The Dean how do you feel about it?

How is that different from our current parties and events?

No.

But I'm saying we only have them once a month, so people have to pick and choose when they're going to come or they're going if you had a club.

Once a month versus every single weekend.

Go every single.

Fucking week.

OK, I.

See, yeah, I don't want to go see Tommy and Susan fight every fucking Friday, you know what I mean?

Like the same 20 people.

That's what some clubs become after a while.

Where you see C&D in the next five years?

Mike, you answer that one.

I'll let Mike.

Answer many improvements to existing features and then we will be adding additional features over the next 12 months as well.

The the site for the most part is under a complete redesign and it's, it's, it's going to be exciting.

It just takes some time, but.

Well, you're teasing us now.

What?

What?

What are some of the the new features?

Yeah, I'll talk, talk about a few, so.

Yeah, Mike, don't give these motherfuckers too much.

Go ahead geek, I'll give him a few give.

Him.

A.

Tease though.

One thing we're going to have is we're going to have story.

Oh, that sounds like some new people too.

Young.

What is that for old?

People that short videos and for the younger ones that's what they call reals.

It's going to see some enhancements in the photos and videos.

Actually, when you click on a video, it actually plays a video.

Yes, we'll be able to utilize a lot.

Of for me, I don't know what other people are watching because that.

Is going on with that Mike?

Why does that happen?

A lot of it has to do with the different codecs that are being used nowadays for videos.

I mean, Apple will use their own type of codecs and Android will use another type and different variations of either each of them.

So when someone uploads a video to CND, we have to take whatever video they have and the codec they're using and then transcode that video into another version.

That should be compatible with most browsers, but that that isn't always the case.

So let me interpret that please do.

That means basically CND has to take that video, do a bunch of shit to it, and then redisplay it in a sense.

So basically stop shooting y'all shit on the wrong stuff and then we could all jerk off to it.

Is that what you're saying, David?

Yes, yes, definitely.

Post pictures and GIFs.

That's it.

Skip the video is.

It GIFs or GIFs though?

Is it GIFs or GIFs with?

I call them GIFs.

I don't know.

Say GIFs over the last 10 years we've seen for the evolution of other platforms.

So you have Facebook and you have Instagram, even fucking TikTok now, and the big one is Reddit where you'll see these other places where people are going to for sort of a free option and they're like, Oh, I can do this here.

But what I tell people all the time is a lot of those places are closed where one, if it's if it's a Facebook group, you're not getting organically new people coming in, new people going to events.

You still have to actually go to actual site or something to sign up for events, right?

It's a little different Reddit.

I still don't really under fucking stand Reddit all the way.

It's sort of a wild, Wild West lot going on on there, but a lot of new people are coming from there.

But it's so unsecure.

It's just so I don't know.

I don't, I don't fuck with it, but a lot of people do.

But what I'm saying is, is what we've seen over the last 10 years is that people going to free options, free group, but still having to come back when they really want to do lifestyle stuff, go to lifestyle parties.

They still have to come to the paid website and the last time I checked, our website cost was cheaper than a cup of coffee.

Y'all buy a Starbuck Caribou this and that.

Why not go somewhere where you can see everybody who's going to the event in one place or you can talk to people in real time and not worry about picture stealing and whatever else you worry about on Reddit and Facebook and those other places.

But that's a challenge.

I think that challenge gets bigger for us going forward where you're seeing a lot of the pay site you we don't see a lot as many as we did before, a lot of new pay sites popping up, but a lot of the same pay sites are around.

But they're all, we're all challenged by the Facebooks and Reddits of the world.

So the next five years is that's that's part of the war for us.

If you're not paying for it, you are the product.

So Facebook isn't making money off you, but it's selling your data.

So you pay for C&D because C&D isn't selling your data to other places.

It blows my mind that people use, you know, Facebook and Reddit and all of that, as you know, there.

Yeah.

It's crazy because it is not hard to link you to.

Yeah, to link you to that probe.

In a couple of the episodes you guys reference new generation, old generation of swinging and how they do things.

How has that impacted parties and the website?

Hey, the one thing I would definitely say is, and I just talked about Reddit being this fucking wild, Wild West Reddit has been great for us.

A lot of people who the real people on Reddit who are like, all right, we've been doing this on Reddit for six months a year and playing this game and we found out what CND was.

They love it.

They're like, Oh my God, thank you for fucking saving us.

But then there's some people who are like, no, we're going to stay on this.

This is we're OK with this.

We're OK with the level of risk, but the trade off for it being free.

So we've seen that change, but the Reddit, I have no, nothing bad to say about Reddit.

Reddit is awesome.

But I would say the change that's one of the changes with the technology piece.

I would say the changes that we see with the coming out to the events piece, we're seeing a lot more younger people trying it than we did before.

A lot, a lot of younger people are coming out to the events, you know, just seeing what it's about.

We're getting a lot of different groupings of people.

So, you know, we have another episode where we talk about different races and things like that, but we're seeing a lot of different racial groups come out than there were early on.

Yeah, go back and listen to, we've seen a lot of, I think Miss Doll references.

Like we have a big Latino contingent that, you know, you might walk by the group hanging out and they only speak in Spanish.

That's their own little area over there or like large Asian contingents, stuff like that.

So that's, that's different just because when we started this podcast today, I said we started WC because there wasn't a space for people that look like us as a couple or couples with, you know, Chucky D and some of our other friends being around there.

But we're starting to see it now more.

So that's one of the, those are some of the bigger changes, you know the.

One thing I want to touch on with Reddit too is Reddit has been good for us, but I'd say of all of the free options out there, Reddit is probably one that carries the most risk as far as exposure as well.

There's really no privacy on Reddit.

I wish a lot of the Reddit users understood those levels of risks.

It's open searchable on Google.

Yeah, I think people don't know any better.

Mike, can you actually explain that a little more about the security of Reddit and other sites like that?

Well, the big.

One to look at Reddit is you.

You might be in a private group, but it's really not that private.

It's still indexed by Google.

You can still do searches and when you create a profile on there, anyone can look at the profile and see what groups and such you're part of, even if they're private groups so you can see what.

Groups you're putting straight fucking pics on Reddit like they put shit on Reddit.

I was like, let me let me ask this one person here because I want to know what his Reddit experience is because he knows nothing.

Chuck D what you go on Reddit?

What?

What is Reddit?

Reddit I, I, I read, I I go on there, read up on some stuff.

Have you ever posted anything on Reddit?

Yeah.

Like lifestyle stuff or?

No, not lifestyle stuff.

Because he was a big craigslifter that's why.

I thought he was on Reddit too probably.

He's the reason why Craigslist had to get rid of their personals.

They got rid.

Of it because it was too risky and that Chuck DS the reason.

You know.

He's out there with his personal saying I need someone once a week during this time frame wearing this outfit with this color hair and we'll lick my ass, Yeah.

I, I, I think, I think we're out of time people.

I think we're out of time that I ran out of questions.

Well, Mike, I have a suggestion for you.

And then the suggestion would be, you know, don't get in an argument with the Dean, OK?

Because if you do, you end up like the last guy.

Do want to say one thing, Mike?

The professor and I did this to build a community, and we love our little community that we built.

We really do.

Even if no one knows Mike, he still knows everyone because he's watching you.

I'm watching you.

He sees all the.

The time I told you when we met Mike and there was another time more recently that I, I almost was like, all right, I'm retiring from this, I'm done.

And this was a 2023 and I was going to be done with the party.

And after I decided to stick around and keep doing it.

What happened was I get people every party now.

It's crazy.

Every party since I decided to stay around, someone comes up to me and tells me a story of how we helped them stand a lifestyle or how this lifestyle helped them or how C&D helped them.

So it definitely has become to the point now where it's it's fulfilling to hear, you know, that we help people actually do this.

It's not just about titties and ass, you know what I mean?

They say we found our people.

You know, this is you, this is our people, and thank you.

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