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Joining me today is John Cook, a dairy farmer doing his best to farm in the most practical, efficient, humane and delicious way possible with his herd of cows and the land on which he is rearing them.

It was an absolute pleasure to meet John and many of his customers, actually, as we were standing by his shed, buying our milk, our raw honey, our farm eggs with Bitcoin.

And it was an absolute thrill to turn up to the farm and see the shed and see the Bitcoin Accepted Here sticker.

Mike, you know who you are.

Well done.

That is grassroots effort stuff.

going to your local producers, your local farmers, shaking your rancher by the hand, explaining to them the importance of accepting sound money for their goods.

And, you know, kudos to John.

Hats off for being open to explore that.

And accept it.

They will come.

Myself and another bitcoiner turned up.

Both of us lived three hours away in Kent.

we were in the area playing golf with some of the lads and we went across and we went and supported bought a crate of raw milk each and a bunch of beef and whatever you know he's selling just to support and paying bitcoin and it was an incredible time more we need more farmers so send this across to your friends and your family get it out to your local producers explain to them why bitcoin is so important for them to protect themselves and a way for us to express true gratitude in the best way that we can communicate value and that is through bitcoin the soundest money ever discovered by our species right before we get into the interview stack your sats you can do that with relay across europe r-e-l-a-i.ch forward slash bitten they have a white glove service waiting for you as well if you need that just get on the phone with them they'll help you put your business on a bitcoin standard or they'll help high net worth individuals figure out how to get their retirement savings across into bitcoin and it's all professionally managed by ben and the team over at relay so that's r-e-l-a-i dot c-h forward slash bitten self-custody your bitcoin bitbox have just released the nova you have the bitbox o2 which is bitcoin only and now you have Bitbox Nova, which is their updated version.

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Meanwhile, here's John.

All right, John, we're recording.

It's great to have you on the show.

A quick back picture for the listeners.

You and I met, I was with a buddy of mine, a fellow Bitcoiner, Rick, you know who you are.

And Mike introduced us to your farm.

Mike, you know who you are.

Thank you very much.

Rick and I were over in your neck of the woods playing golf with a bunch of Bitcoiners.

And he said, there's a guy 20 minutes from here that's accepting Bitcoin for raw milk, raw honey, farm eggs, amazing beef.

And so we just had to jump in the car and come and find you.

And that's how we got to meet you.

And subsequently, I went on holiday with my family.

We come and met you again.

And we set this up.

So we're going to get into all of that.

But we were supposed to hit record 30 minutes ago.

And you've got a nice little farmyard story for it might be nice for you it wasn't that nice for me it's a typical um daily occurrence here to be fair not always with the pigs but no i uh it was just coming out of the dairy and i saw a pig running up the road and my sister lives up the road and it would be worse fate worse than death if it got into her garden so i had to chase after that and it carried on running up the road and you know where I live so it was heading towards gardens so I might actually get in front of it and get it back which is not always an easy feat because they're pretty stupid they just want to run away from me all the time and so when I got back I went into the pen there should be three other pigs in there it was on his own so they were just one was walking around my mother's garden there was two on the top of the quarry just having a having a mooch and um so yeah it's very hard to herd pigs pigs don't herd very well no they don't and how old are these ones um they'd be about four months old now adolescent asshole children their life their life and trials and tribulations of being a farmer so well let's um before we get into like uh the all of the bitcoin stuff and um your journey and regenerative farming and all of that brilliant stuff which the listeners love learning about regenerative farming and beef and meat and you know real food real nutritious 100% amazing food uh what what was you I mean how did you get to this point because were you doing a different job way back when before you started farming what what was growing up like and what was kind of the uh the career path well now my career path wow okay so I grew up here this is my family farm um and I always loved to farm it was as a kid it was just the best playground ever and working as a kid wasn't a chore you know my dad didn't have to ask me to go and jump on a tractor to do something I was already doing it before he even asked so the um the whole farming thing is in my blood and I'm actually fourth generation well I say I'm fourth generation I'm probably a lot more than that because as far as we can take our ancestry back our my family has been in this area working on the land so fourth generation is the ones I can actually name much after that then it's probably I don't know I mean we're talking a long long time ago so I've always always farmed um I got to 17 and found that obviously um I had hormones so decided to go chasing another another kind of animal and did that for a few years worked in an office for two years for an agricultural merchant that was an education it made me realize I couldn't really work with people they don't like seem to don't seem to like the truth very much and I was very much you know if you're going to work for a company you work for the banner across the top of the name you're working for them and it seemed like other people had much more ideas about working for themselves within that in within that organization so i couldn't cope with that very well tended to upset quite a few people saying 19 at the time i'm like why why would why would these people not work for the company that's paying you i know side point lots of stories with that but i won't go into that it's boring um so there's that's 1993 decided i was unemployable so I needed to do stuff for myself and obviously I still had my dad all the time on the farm that was an ongoing daily occurrence I wasn't living here but I still came back every day it's like a big umbilical cord that gets too stretched and you can twang back into it um so I was then a dairy consultant for a while um I started a worm farm I was importing well I started farming the worms and I realized I couldn't I couldn't reduce enough what I was selling so then I started bringing them in from Holland on lorries um I suppose I was probably the second biggest in the country wow right okay that now that's very I mean is that niche it seems it sounds niche to me but it's obviously there is a big business for it um would I be niche it's not no there's just very few people doing it I suppose so um unfortunately I got embroiled into a little bit of a what you call it not as triangle what do they call that pyramid thing so it's very good really good ruse so the guy would set you up in worm farming he say i'll buy all your worms for two years so you got a guaranteed market for two years and then you on your own but it gives you time to get set up other markets but what i hadn realized the the genius of that is he was setting up other people effectively as your competition so at the end of two years you maybe made these customers as well as well as well as him buying your worms um so fishing shops for instance and composting composting was one of the other big markets and um so then a year after that somebody else is coming to the end of their contract and they've got all these worms and they can't sell them either so you're just on a downward spiral for the price and i was i wouldn't do it for nothing so i'd have customers you know fishing shops or angling shops come to me and say well i can buy two pounds a kilo cheaper from maybe down the road and I just said well at it go and go and do it then and then three months later because I was really um really careful how I packed my worms make sure they lived for the fishermen these other guys didn't know what they were doing and they'd come back in two months time so can we have worms now and I said well yeah they're the same if not more than last time well I was getting for two pounds cheaper I said well go back and get them for two cheaper than why are you even calling me so i found that the fishing industry the fishermen tended to be quite tight um i'm not sure that's fair but that was my impression certainly of the shops i know their businesses they want to get it cheaper but surely the quality of the product was what you know you've got a fishing match you want to make sure your products are live and vigorous and work so um i did that for about 10 years and i i had a few losses so when worms die they uh they're an enzyme and you tend to pack them quite closely together and the enzyme will kill the next one and you're just in a in a cascade of death and the smell is disgusting really how would you how would you pack them i mean how does one go around packing worms so you pack them in a in a in a in a medium but you can you can pack them quite quite close together what you gotta do is keep them cool so when i used to import them from holland they used to come in on in refrigerated lorries and then i had a big walk-in freezer here and you just well fridge sorry and then you just you just you just put them in and if they stayed you know about four degrees they didn't tend to rub against each other is when they started rubbing against each other they started to make heat which then killed them which then cascaded and i just couldn't get the price up enough to cover those losses as well i employed somebody as well and actually it was her that broke the camel's back she asked for a pay rise and i said it just isn't there to have so maybe we'll just call it a day so i i was effectively holding the business for her just a young young woman with a kid and my work worked really well for her because i was very relaxed about when she did the work and she could be here at midnight if she wanted to be and so she worked around school and her life and and when she asked me about it just like well i I can't do it.

So we packed it up.

And then I set up another business doing dog tags, which I haven't got any on show.

So that was 2002, no, no, was that 2008?

No, 2008 I set up that business.

So we actually import tags from California.

i don't know that's a that's a tiny little one we do but they sit on the they sit on the on the collars and don't fall off and the story behind that is i had um i've always got quite a few dogs as you know and one of them followed somebody into the village it was a german short air pointer absolutely stupid followed somebody into the village and they went to a pub and just left outside on the main road so it got picked up by a dog warden it got taken to um uh so we are we are north wiltshire we're very close to swindon and swindon is his own authority so from north wiltshire our dogs are taking about um 20 miles 15 20 miles to a place called chippenham but when that's full they then go on to bath which is again another another another journey and our dog ended up in bath cats and dogs home um she had a microchip but the vets didn't know how to scan it there's two sorts of chips apparently when you hold two sorts of scanner when you hold the scanner and when you press and release and anyway they got it wrong so it ended up in in in bath i found out i was actually making i was actually bailing straw in a completely different direction um so i couldn't just leave and then my my sister used to play hockey with the dog warden so i got a hold of her name and her her telephone and I called her just as she was coming out of bath this was a Friday night and she said there's no way I'm going back into the into bath to get your dog sorry John I said that's okay so my my wife at the time went down picked up picked up the dog cost us 80 quid to get this dog out the dog had lost about 20% of his body weight I mean she was so neurotic German short hair point is a neurotic and I said we need to find a better way of tagging this dog and I found this guy in California who were doing these amazing tags I bought 10 for my dogs and a couple of a couple of my neighbors and then within about two weeks I'd had so many people say to me that's a really good idea can you get me one where'd you get them from where'd you get them from so I just sent him a message and said can I you know if you've got disputes over here he said no I don't do you want to do I said well yeah okay I'll do it so then I set up that business so um and that's still going to this day I need to update I don't have much time on it to be honest with you're too busy farming but I need to update that that website and get that all going but that we guarantee the dog tags the last of the life a lifetime so they're made from surgical grade stainless steel and they don't fall they don't they just you can't break them they don't fall off they they just sit there and I've you know I've got people I get lots of repeat people saying you know I still got the original tag I got for the dog 13 years ago and you know I just seems a bit mean but I keep putting it onto new dogs i can have another another one um and we had there's so many uses for them so we could sell them we were selling quite a lot to the army um so where they sit on the um well you saw that didn't you see it's like an open it's got like opens open ends can you see that yeah that's just a mini one um so on the top of the bergens they've got like any any webbing so we up to an up to we do up to an inch and so when you're chucking 30 40 60 bergens onto a hercules with all you they all look the same they are all the same so these guys are putting on the outside and they could just see what their squadron which squadron it was what number it was and they just made it really easy for them to distribute and then when they're in in any kind of active service you can just take them off and put them on the inside so it worked really really well for them um navy divers had a really interesting conversation with a navy diver bomb disposal or i don't know mine i can't remember what he says like doing mines and he wanted four i went why do you want why do you need four is that like you've got lots of different kit he said no so when i go when i go when we go diving we want to make sure all of our bits come back in the same bag if we hit a bomb or a mine like oh i'll give you a discount for that so they had like one of one on each arm and one on each wrist and um you can't really imagine and um so that that business as there's actually is actually um purely because the fact that i haven't spent much time with it is actually degraded a little bit the the back end of it is quite complicated with all their i don't know or you're with it but i keep trying to get my my website updated but there seems to be lots of technical issues whether why they can't do the back end of it i don't know i again i pull tits for a living i know bloody now i actually know what that is so um and then um my dad died 13 years ago so i took the farm over properly then and um i mean i was doing i was probably doing majority of the work anyway just because he was you know in his 70s and although i wasn't taking a wage from the farm i was living here i'd inherited my grandfather's house and and part of the land so i was i was in i was invested already and then years after that i went and started raw milk from the dairy now um i completely changed all of our farming techniques we we went from being a what we call a flying herd so you would buy dairy heifers two two and a half years old just calved just coming into milk so you and you milk them you get them pregnant at some point they calve again the calves would then go on to another farm somebody else's farm to to grow up so we were just a milking operation we didn't have any young stock or any beef we just had literally all we did was milk cows and we were quite how many would you have what would be the size of that operation how many we had about 60 cows then 60 cows right and um you know it was a profitable business with low relatively low input um relatively low output but it was profitable um they didn't sit well with me constant it was just like a you're going to sort of seem like beyond a bit of a treadmill and didn't seem to be it didn't seem although we weren't hard on the cows because we never chased yield um it was it still just felt wrong so we went from that system to what we call a cow calf system where the cows calve they keep the calves for well up to four months um and then we will wean or well it'll depend on that that calf i've got a cow at the moment that actually it's a cow we brought in which is very rare one of my friends just said i've got i've got a heifer that doesn't suit our system she'll suit your do you want to say she's lovely a little jersey heifer and she's got a calf but she doesn't seem to have integrated very well into the herd so i'll probably just put her back in the field with her calf and just leave it for a year and then she will hopefully get a bit more mentally stronger jerseys are normally quite mentally strong but this one's a bit of a weed and it gets bullied a lot which is and a heifer just so people know heifer is a female young female cow yeah it would be a young male bull is that correct yeah yeah so yeah so she actually has got a bullock yeah right a bullock so he's got no he's got no testicles i managed to take those off quite early on right okay a steer then if you want when when they're older he'd actually be called a sterk at the moment but i'm not going to get technical um so um we've we've we've completely changed our process so we don't so we keep the calves that stay on their mums for at least four months um i do have a few i have to send off because i just can't keep expanding the herd so a few go off um to somebody else's farm so um and the whole the whole story that we'll we'll go through is why some of the reasons i I've changed my farming techniques is because of my own journey.

And that's probably, it probably better if I start with my journey So I got 46 fat um uh quite inflamed you can see it i got a picture i think i showed you my picture did i did i show you my fat picture no i didn't see that i'll send it to you see you on screen see how fat i was um and one of my customers is a like a holistic um i can't remember what they call themselves naturopath kind of they yeah he was a he was a a um personal coach like a gym coach fitness was his thing he'd get you fit and he realized that all of the things he was been and been taught of how to get you fit were it was just generic and it didn't actually have any kind of bespoke um meanings behind it so he was he was literally just doing the same thing you know you do half an hour on a treadmill you do half an hour and i don't know exactly what he did but that's the sort of thing and he realized that that wasn't working and so he started doing blood samples to find out where people where people's bodies work he said you can't do a program for somebody if they if you haven't got the whole all of the information you know they might be um pounding the streets for half an hour but the body's so inflamed all their body's going to say is right we need to protect ourselves so keep the weight on so he does these these tests to find out whether you've got imbalances and he'd been dropping the seed with me for a long time he he was telling me i was fat and inflamed without telling me i was flat and fat and inflamed whatever man um and i'll put a link to i'll give you a link to his website because he's he's he's changed my life and a lot of other people's lives a lot of my customers lives as well as in the same musician I was so he um did the blood test he did and my business partner Sarah and um so I was diabetic I had very low vitamin d which was a surprise because I'm outside all of the time but I had skin cancer 27 years ago so they tell you to hide from the sun cover everything up you know peaked cap and which actually I found out it was completely the opposite of what you should be doing anyway and i'll go through that too and then um i had very high ferritin now yes so that's the face i poured what the hell's ferritin what the hell is ferritin it's stored iron so you've got heme iron which you use for your daily daily and then your stored iron so i'm assuming that years ago we wouldn't have had access to it our ancestors and it depends where your ancestry comes from as to how how much you you actually need and i um my levels were in the 600s um my research showed that it should be below 100 you've heard of iva cummings yes yes so he did it he's one of the guys he works for was high ferritin had a heart attack couldn't work out why and it was high ferritin high ferritin will harden your arteries but there's no magic pill so you don't hear about it you only hear about the magic pills statins and whatever else um so the only way to reduce your ferritin is to actually give blood you need to dilute your blood and anyway so i went to the doctor and i said look my levels are six six 78 because i have skin cancer i can't go to the blood service so though my only option is to pay somebody to come out so i went there and i said to him you know can you refer me to i think You've got to be referred to gastronomy or something like that.

And he said, we won't do anything until you get to a thousand.

I'm like, yeah, but I don't want to be in your system.

This is why I'm preempting.

I don't want to be a statistic.

I want to be keep away from it.

And he wouldn't do it.

And we had an argument.

Basically, he said, no, we won't do anything until it gets to a thousand.

And I said, well, that's just bloody ridiculous.

So I subsequently found out that the medical profession is not there to make you well.

It's there to just solve the symptoms.

And, you know, when I worked that out, it made me realise that I just don't go to the doctors anymore unless I break something or cut something.

It's, you know, they are not in they are not working to your interest.

And to be fair, I don't even know that they're trained that way and they don't even realise what their symptoms soothing rather than trying to cure anybody.

Well, a cured a cured customer as a patient.

Yeah.

Sorry.

A cured patient as a customer lost.

John D.

Rockefeller.

I want that.

I want you to keep going in.

That's a direct Rockefeller quote for those that are wondering.

yeah so i um so i found somebody that could lose me some blood cost me 130 pounds a pint um and what we tend to do is when he comes here he wouldn't let me keep it that's the bad thing i was going to feed it to the pigs or something at least to get some use out of it um so when he comes here we then ian guy that i work with and a load of my customers or anybody he's got there on the program will come here and they would they have their bloods taken here so he'll take a pint of mine and then however many files he needs to for for Ian I think we did 13 people last time he was here um so then obviously I found out I had these things out of range and Ian basically said to me that I was because I was diabetic I needed to stop eating the sugar now I my sugar intake was incredible I gotta say it was pretty impressive so I could I would eat every two hours and I would get anxious if I didn't know where I was going to be in two hours time whether there's going to be food at that spot um because my sugar lows were so severe I'd actually have to sit down or lean against something and I didn't last very long 20-30 seconds but it was enough like a real if I was driving I'd have to stop because it's like whoa it was it really drain everything from you and he said to me you've got to stop spiking your insulin you keep spiking your insulin like you do your pancreas is just going to pack up and you're going to be diabetic and you're it's you don't want to be going down that road john so he suggested what i should be eating which was basically very very little sugar ketosis ketogenic diet so we did that for a few months and then i realized actually that was quite easy because i didn't feel hungry anymore because it was the sugar that was giving me the hunger pangs you know constantly up and down all day what so what were you eating like what were what were the sugary treats like you know before yeah oh well you've been to my shop we used to sell flapjack shortbread um uh we used to have a guy make these beautiful we call them tractor snacks and they were it was just basically a pure sugar bar you know so you always had one of those on you like i'd be milking i'd run over and get one you know the calling to me it's just like a i couldn't oh come to me yeah i couldn't resist it real sugar addict carb addict absolute carb addict you know white bread shortbread bloody crisps and anything i could stuff in my face that i thought was my mistake was i wasn't giving myself nutrition i was giving myself fuel and it wasn't good fuel it was just getting fuel to the next to the next meal so and that's where the sugar come you know you go in these sugar spikes i mean i would i've got some land just away from the farm and i would go and pick up on because i passed a shop on the way i would pick up three outers of um sorry an outer of three packets of maryland cookies because let's face it they are the most delicious thing in the planet um a six pack of knickknacks and two liters of fizzy drink and no matter how much time i spent on my my land away from the farm i only ever came back with empty packets because i just it was just a there's no off button for me you know i'm i'm john i'm a karma i'm a car carb addict and i can't do anything about it literally i couldn't i could not stop it's just an absolute so i need to remove it from myself so what i did i went carnivore and so i'm in a very lucky position that i was growing everything i was eating it was it was a really nice position to know just what's late today well i'm a bit more beef and i'll have a bit of pig and add eggs add milk the other milk does have um lactase lactose in it so that has a bit of sugar but um as it's in natural form i i allow myself that but what i found was i was never hungry i've gone from being hungry every two hours to being literally if i didn't eat in 36 hours it didn't matter my body I had enough left left fat and my body my body was satiated and obviously I do high quality protein and fat so that was even even better and it's one of the easiest things I've ever done how quickly did that weight fall away um six months I lost five stone five stone in kilos for American listeners so I think I was 113 and I went to 82 something like that in 6 months 6 months wow and it didn't hurt there was no pain and that was the thing that was was there a week of headaches getting away from the sugar 2 months of headache right that was the painful part of it but then when I knew that that's just my body trying to cleanse itself it's you know you live with a bit of pain when you know it's not gonna not gonna go on forever um but the pain the perceived pain that i thought i was going to get was be hunger hunger was one of my anxieties you know if i didn't have hunger then i was going to the sugar loads and i was going to be somebody just find me like expired on the floor without any sugar they'd have to pump some sugar into my veins you know that's that's that's how strong that feeling was so when i found out i just wasn't actually diagnosed as diabetic in air quotes or no yeah I was well into the so 42 is the limit, 42 for the HbA1c and I was 49 so yeah, I was way in.

And now are you considered non-diabetic?

No, I'm not diabetic anymore I've brought my levels down.

Amazing So you can reverse type 2 diabetes it's actually relatively easy Don't believe what they tell you don't be taking all those pills you don't need the bloody things same with statins statins that just i think it's one in 140 people it works for and even then it's just the biggest earner for the get to 15 these statins you know don't take them because they're just evil um as far as far as i'm concerned i'm not a doctor don't take my don't take my uh you know this is all for entertainment purposes um and so um i sorted out my diabetes uh my Ferritin was harder because it took me a while just because I was trying to get the NHS to help me with that process.

So that took a bit more of a while to get down.

And that's that's I'm still I'm still now taking taking blood regularly just to try and to get the levels down.

So if you I don't know, do you get blood?

No, I've never had any kind of blood tests or anything just to see.

It's one of these things where I guess you do that probably too late.

something happens and then you want to find out rather than you know i should be pre-empting this kind of stuff and go and do some blood work and see what see what's up yeah yeah well ian would probably be a perfect um uh interviewee for you as well he um he his knowledge is vast on this sort of stuff and you know we we of an age where things start to break or they all it all starts to show when you i mean i was 46 when i started my journey or everything that's compounded over the last 45 or so years right it's just a building block on top of building block right yeah i'm gonna have to chat with this chap of yours ian so i'll get your i'll get his details afterwards yeah he'd be very good he'd be very good for you now he's quite local to me and um so um like the vitamin d obviously i then had to supplement for vitamin d just like an emergency get my get my numbers up and so i started reading books on vitamin d that's how sad it got because when you start realizing everything you've been told is a lie about diets the whole inversion of the food pyramid you start like asking yourself well what so i so i read a book on vitamin d and it's it's a um i'll think of his name in a minute i'll share it with or i'll show you show you the book and he did experiments of going up to 100 000 i use a day actually it'll probably be quite easy for me to get that um as long as that doesn't sound off um and could you just pull your camera down a little bit john just like that that's it yeah uh vitamin d um the essential guide to vitamin d or no no it's our vitamin d it was the miraculous results of extremely high doses of vitamin d by jeff t bowles yeah that's a catchy title isn't it and you know he he he um the book just made me realize i mean it's silly isn't it how you always come back to basics where whichever way you go you can be as complicated as you like but actually we're just animals and we just need to be observed or respectful of where we come from so our our my ancestors i did a genetic test to find out whereabouts i was where my genes come from because that's going to be important too because if you're you know your genes are near to the equator then you're you're going to be probably able to cope with um sugar better than somebody in the northern hemisphere so my ancestors as i said before were here for generations so and sarah um her she's blonde hair blue eyes she's scandinavian i'm pointing north and um so we shouldn't have we shouldn't eat kiwi fruit bananas we would never have been subjected to that so insulin is there to put fat into your cells and the reason that we have well i'm assuming the reason we we evolved that way evolved even if evolution is real again i kind of start blowing my mind with all this yes stuff and all the rest of it but um so when we sugar insulin is putting fat into our cells and we are as a species supposed to fluctuate in weight so we would like this time of year you go out you eat your berries you eat your apples although apples that we would have had centuries ago wouldn't be like the apples we've got now they would have been less sweet um so all the berries and the easiest analogy is just to think you're a bear because bears get fat at the end of the thing and you see them sitting around with a great big bellies sad syndrome seasonal adjustment disorder is the process the bears go through so the vitamin d drops your body goes ah we're going to be having a lean period soon so you need to eat as much as you can and do as little as you can so i used to suffer with sad syndrome before and it's a vitamin d deficiency effectively so you all you want to do is just eat shit and get fat which um is your body's natural defense mechanism against a very lean period that's coming So, you know, where we are now, the only time I would have had access to carbohydrates through fruit, fructose, would have been for these few short months that we're in now.

So end of summer, early autumn.

And then we wouldn't have eaten any carbohydrates for the rest of the year.

So we would have put on weight and we would have probably spent a lot of time foraging because it would have tasted good.

And so it made me realize how we're just animals.

so this whole five a day bollocks it's just a marketing term and i was i was as guilty as everybody else so you go into a supermarket and you're must have five of these and you're just a fucking zombie you're just sorry i'm sorry does you just we walk into the supermarkets and you just do what the marketeers tell you to do yep you don't need it it actually our requirement for carbohydrates actually is zero and it's zero because we don't ever have food shortages anymore you know our ancestors would have struggled to get through the winter unless they were very good hunters but they had that much fat that it kept them warm and it was fuel on board so i heard a professor professor tim noakes he's a south african guy he gave us talk he gave a talk to the South African beef producers association or something like that.

And it was all about our ancestry and, or our ancestors and why beef was a really important part of the, part of the diet.

So he's carnivore as well, by the way, he wasn't before he was very much carb.

He used to give advice for like ultra, ultra athletes on carb loading and stuff.

And then he realized he'd made a complete mistake.

And he, he, he was the one that basically he put an analogy, it's like like a dual fuel car so you've got an electric car and you've got a petrol car sorry hybrid and so you you plug the battery in before you go off in the mornings you go and do i don't know 200 miles you look at your battery your your the battery's half empty or half full and then you get your meal deal so you plug your battery back in you have your your white bread sandwich your fizzy drink and your biscuit chocolate bar so the battery's full up again then you do whatever you got to do you drive home you get home you look at your battery oh it's half full so then you have your evening meal with your suite you never turn the petrol engine on and that's the bit that we carry around our bellies that we're constantly carrying on and getting fatter and fatter we never turn the engine on and until you turn the engine on you're never going to get rid of your fat you can go and treadmill as much as you like you might burn a few but until you actually your body actually starts using that fuel as it's supposed to be used which is our well how our ancestors would have used it when our ancestors would have been in ketosis for most of the year but apart from the bit they were eating the um the fruits and like i learned about fasting and how important fasting is because our ancestors didn't have cancer because their bodies naturally took all those cells out through autophagy so you go into you know 18 hours you start again into ketosis the more time you don't eat for and a lot of my customers don't eat for a week at a time um they um your body scavenges all of the dead cells and all the stuff is going well this isn't looking right so we'll eat that we'll use that as fuel so the body starts eating itself but it takes all of the crap out at the same time i don't hear that in any medical uh no there's no medical people saying you know you need to fast no they're saying eat three times a day and eat five lots of fruit and it's just bollocks breakfast is the most important meal of the day, John.

I haven't eaten breakfast for years.

It's such a psyop.

And, you know, that breakfast, of course, is like a bowl of shitty fucking white water, let's call it, because it's not milk, over-dried, like, just crap cereals that have been sprayed with glyphosate and God knows what else, and monocropped.

That is...

Mate, don't get me going on the Weetabix and the advertising we were subjected to growing up thinking you know that's going to make you strong or the the porridge right the ready break and all this kind of stuff dust dust soaked in like pasteurized milk is going to set you up for the day but our mothers fell for it yeah yeah it's not their fault my mum used to be my mum used to meet me from school with a curly whirly and a mars bar yeah we'd be off our tits before we got back to the farm yeah and then we were hungry an hour later and like oh yeah come have your tea and then you know well yeah i'm that's the way but they didn't they didn't know so i don't i don't blame them for it because they were told you know across some point we're told to that smoking was healthy but actually now i found out that nicotine is actually really healthy for i know mate that's a rabbit hole which is the addictive shit they put in it which is the bad stuff and the filter you suck it through which is all chemical freaking wool and oh god god knows what like you know yeah so listen guys if you're gonna smoke please get organic tobacco roll your own or just the best quality cigar you can find and you you'll likely be fine yeah absolutely yes again we're not medical so we don't know that for a fact no certainly not so so this whole the whole journey with the uh with my body and then working out working out that i've been told a lie for so many years about what what is healthy what isn't healthy i mean what's really sad dan is i didn't even think i was fat all right i just thought i got to middle age you know i was 46 years old of course i was going to put on a bit of weight you know because that's what everybody does isn't it and you know when you realize that that doesn't have to be the case at all so then so that journey about a year after that journey i was looking at what i was doing with the cows and i just it just kind of maybe what we've been told about the cows is all alive as well then and i started looking and thinking about their diets and what their ancestral diets would have been and it's grass basically they just eat grass and i was putting all sorts of human waste from the human um processes you know um brewer's grains and and and cotton seed flax seed meal or or waste products that we were just disposing of through the cow and what about what like corn or rape does that make it in as well sometimes yeah yeah yeah rapeseed yeah yeah when they take like they put this is one of the psyops that like the um like the whole kind of okay they eat fucking grass that's it that's it but you you you hear people telling you oh this this field of crops is being grown for uh for cattle like maize for example you've been growing for cattle that that goes into animal feed or sugar beet and all this kind of stuff oh it goes into animal feed and you're like what that doesn't make any sense at all none no you're growing the rape and you're growing the corn for the high fructose corn syrup and for the the seed oils that are slowly killing everybody yeah and then you're gaslighting people into saying well it's all great because we take the corn and then we feed it to the cows and it's No, that doesn't make any sense at all.

They should be stood on this pasture, eating the grass that's growing on it, not this monocrop that we are spending.

You'll probably know more than me.

How many tens?

of thousands of gallons of diesel does it take to rake a field plow a field drill a field spray a field harvest a field then once the harvest is done you're only getting off the the corn then you've got to go and cut down everything else then you've got to bail the fucking thing then you've got to transport it somewhere else what we could have had 50 cows walking around feeding a village like absolutely it is it is actually quite quite bonkers when you start um just close that door it's making a noise thank you um when you when you start realizing the how ridiculous it all is then you start you you've got to start questioning the whole thing i mean i know some cereal farmers they're they're not even getting paid the cost of production for their stuff they do all that well you i don't know if you've seen clarkson's farm i have so i mean you know what's That first year he made 144 quid.

For all of that work.

With subsidies.

With subsidies as well.

With subsidies.

Absolutely.

This is the.

Subsidies are divisive.

Yes.

I mean, you know, they came out in 1982.

I remember when they came out.

I was at college.

And.

Well, I remember my dad being quite unhappy about the whole thing.

And he said.

He said to me when it all happened, he said, they're just going to take it back.

I didn't really understand what he meant.

it meant about a penny and a half a litre to us put for the for the milk over the course of a year and he um he was dead right because about three or four months after we it may have been a bit longer six months after we had this subsidy the supermarket said to the dairy companies right we're dropping your price of penny and half a litre they literally took it straight back is money laundering it was just straightforward absolute outright money laundering the supermarkets in with the government said right we give all the farmers these money they'll be then the poor poor relative because we have to give them money to be able to produce food everyone's going to hate them so we can then divide people from the farmer because let's face it you hear a lot of people say well you do work for nothing yeah as farmer you get subsidies for doing nothing yep we don't want the bloody subsidies we don't want to pay for what we do and um and so they were sending money to brussels your money to brussels taking a bit of it sending it a bit of it back but then giving it like effectively straight back to the supermarket and then we've got to jump through all these bloody hoops to get it i mean i still take it i have no choice i have to take it i'll be bust otherwise i'm trying to work my way out of it um and it's it's so divisive because you you ask anybody oh yeah you never see a poor farmer that's what that's what people believe they believe all the farmers are rich it's just insane you're like what are you talking about i i i could show you i could take you to a whole raft of people around here who are not wealthy our problem is we're wealthy on paper but the only time you because you can realize that wealth is when you're not a farmer so i sell it all then i'm effectively it's like any any other person yes i've just got wealth but i'm not a farmer then this is my farmers here's the thing as well the most recent divisive thing is farmers are being trapped into taking money up front for like 99 year leases on acres of land to put in a solar farm in air quotes like they use the word farm after the word solo and it sounds great and all the normies think it's brilliant and now now and then then they get angry oh he he accepted how many hundreds of thousands of pounds straight up front oh he's got to be filthy rich and blah blah blah now he's wrecking house now he's wrecking our countryside so it's so easy to to dissociate uh the the general populace from the farmer and they have Like the mob rule is just so kind of like blinkered.

They can't think for themselves.

They're herd animals, right, to use a farming analogy.

And when you see the psyops, I mean, I don't listen to mainstream news or radio.

I had the misfortune of actually turning on in where somebody else was driving my track and they left the radio on.

And as I got in there, it came on and it was a local radio.

And this advert came on and it was from DEFRA.

And the advert went something along the lines of, do you own land?

We can plant trees.

We'll give you £10,000 an acre.

Contact us if you do.

And I thought that's really odd because DEFRA knows every single farm.

We've all got holding numbers.

They know exactly who we are, where we are.

they can mail us direct if they wanted to but they're putting an advert on mainstream media why are they doing that well i know exactly why they're doing that it's because you then think fucking farmers 10 000 pound an acre yeah wow they've really got it easy haven't they there was no reason to put that on on mainstream media on the mainstream advertising bit and for those listening for those listening defra stands for department for environment food and rural affairs so it is a government it's a government department so you've now got them they're paying for the ad space as well right so that they're using public money to pay for the ad space to put on the radio to psyop the people that have been taxed for that money in the first place into hating the people that are producing their food yep the like the psyops are endless and you know this isn't just happening in britain this is happening globally globally yeah it's global but it's a great way because the there's there's there's two things going on first of all you need to add a control to populace and by doing that you need to control the food but also farmers are really dangerous because we can produce our own food we make decisions every day hard decisions so we you know we'll make a decision on something very quickly if we if we if we have to we've nearly always got arms we can nearly always protect ourselves um and we're dangerous because if and that's that's why they're trying to reduce us but in numbers so and i think i may i may have said to you when you're here i'm not sure i had a guy come here and food security is one of my issues i had a guy come here once and i said well it was after um were you in the country when beast from the east was here 2018 no so we had a weather event february 2018 we had a it was an easterly wind and it was we got down to minus 14 here i had when i was milking the parlour was freezing as i was milking so it's like the milk was freezing in the pipes i've never had anything like that that's just mental milk comes out at 40 degrees and it was freezing before it was getting up the pipes which was just mental and there was there was snow no there's no milk in our village so we put a shout out on social media to say we've got milk if you need milk um and people started coming and it was a great it was a great three days where we sold out of milk and that's when we still had a tanker coming tanker couldn't make it through so we said like tanker's not coming there's no milk we are licensed to sell raw milk if you want some milk and people were coming in their hordes they were having snowball fights on the way they were walking a couple of miles some of them it was a it was an outing and it was great and put us on the business map and afterwards um I said to Sarah my business partner I said that's really scared me she said why that's it's been a brilliant three days we're on the map you know lots of new customers I went what happens when these people have a proper weather event which means they can't get any food for two three four weeks i can remember times like in my child at 82 when we had snow drifts and we couldn't go to school for 10 days brilliant we had so much fun but our parents our grandparents our great-grandparents had enough food in their larder they didn't matter if they were out of three months you know and the irony is they build these houses with these massive kitchens but nowhere to store any fucking food no one knows how to cook and it's just that we've got this weird situation and i i said to i said so that's actually really scared me because if we if we get to a situation where after the two weeks when everybody's larders or all of their cupboards are bags all the tins have been used and all the stuff that they wouldn't normally eat bottom of the freezer's gone these people are going to start getting hungry and when they get hungry people hungry people do desperate things and i had a guy come and i said to him he had a wife and two kids he didn't have the kids with him he had he just him and his wife we got talking i said so if we have a instance where you can get the supermarkets completely bare i mean they'll be within six hours let's face it if something happens where are you going to go for your food when she says that these two kids haven't eaten for a week they're screaming because they're really hungry she's putting pressure on you to go and get food I said where are you going to go and he flippantly said well I'll come here and I said well piss off because I've got 80 people ahead of you that have been coming here for a few years they're going to get first dibs if there's anything left maybe but I wouldn't guarantee it because it's not going to be you it's going to be the 280 other thousand people that are very very close to me wanting it as well so I said where are you going to go and he went I don't know and I said that is your problem you you need to make sure you have somewhere you can go or you've got enough stores to cope with that he never came back never saw him again i think i scared him off too much but it made me realize like i said we got swindon right on our right on our doorstep and you know i've got towns all around and there's there's a couple of people doing milk but we wouldn't be able to produce we wouldn't be able to do half a percent of those people quarter of a percent of those people so i realized i was a target i was going to i was actually in quite a vulnerable position because when desperate men when that wife tells him he hasn't you don't come back without food you're going to be coming to me saying i want some milk i'm going to say piss off and he goes no that's not the right answer i'm going to get you can't give him that answer it has to be yes and i got 50 guys behind him saying well i want food just too and you've got food walking around on four legs out there you're gonna fucking kill it and i want to i want some of it and i'll take it back with me now and I realized you know it actually quite scared me because I realized that I was going to be put in in potentially into a you know we get martial law if that happens it'll happen like that look at bog rolls look what people are doing over bog rolls they're fighting in supermarkets over a an item that didn't even relate to the fake pandemic that they were saying you know you didn't get shit because you got covered it's just like why was why was that so that made me realize how disconnected these people are from reality and there are a lot of npcs walking around you know we saw it during covid they are the ones that are going to come and get you and i i watched louis ferroux do a a he did a story on the deep preppers in alabama i remember watching it and i feel guilty you know it must have been like 25 years ago 30 years ago something like that and i remember watching it thinking these blokes are off their fucking heads like you know they got enough food for three months or six months or three years whatever it was I mean there like a whole armory and and he said one thing which i remember and it was we ready for when the zombies come and it was it was projected like oh he's fucking mental he's thinking the undead are coming back they walk around us now daniel they are they are here they are the people with nothing behind their eyes the ones that wear the masks they are that they are the zombies are going to come and get us and I feel guilty for feeling the way I did about how I felt about the guy at the time because I laughed and I shouldn't have laughed because actually he was absolutely spot on and so I put things in place so you know I've got ex-army friends I've got people that have skills and we've mapped the place we have um we I put things in place that if that does happen this will not be a farm that's going to be invaded i'm not going to go into too many details but if you get hungry don't come here you probably won't make it home mate that is yeah very um very it's timely actually because i've just become friends with our local beef farmer and that's uh that's one thing that i think a lot of people listening to this podcast might have already done.

I've had a guy come on the podcast called Texas Slim is what he calls himself.

No, I heard one of this.

I sent you the podcast.

That's right.

And he's been very, not influential, because he's not trying to influence it.

He's like educational to people.

Like, you know, ah, right.

Okay, shit.

Yeah, we, you know, stuff can happen.

Stuff can get real.

And it's about building those relationships close to you.

His mantra is go and shake the rancher's hand and get to know him and get into the value for value.

You know, you have something that you can offer.

It's not just cash, but you have skills, you have knowledge.

And in our case, we got talking about Bitcoin and why it's important to us.

And we love learning from you about farming and raw milk and whatever else.

But just to just to like put a final nail in the coffin of like the subsidies and whatever else.

and you brought up Clarkson's farm, that we're now in this position in the UK where the government are paying farmers to plant wildflowers and have been for decades, as far as I'm aware.

Like, it absolutely blows my mind that people think that's like a good idea of use of land.

But then they fluff it up.

Well, it's good for the bees and we need the bees and because of the bees.

All right, okay, if we need the bees and we're going to protect the bees, why are you also paying farmers to put 5G fucking towers all over their land, which is frying the shit out of all of the insects around us.

And people are blind to that.

Or they just don't want to believe it.

I don't know what it is.

So it's a pain issue.

There's no pain.

The pain, they will only have an opinion when it affects them.

Until it affects them.

They go to the supermarket now and you've got this smorgasbord of every colour and the shelves are full.

when those shelves don't have fruit on them they're going to go why isn't there fruit in here well because of the 5g towers and the spray and then the rest of it well how did you let that happen that's when they'll have an opinion on it and the farmers the farmers will get blamed again because it's the 5g towers that are turning up in the farmers fields do you do you know how much uh what what are they being offered to to to have one of these i don't 5g towers put up or a windmill or a solar farm is is there like in in recent cases actually my parents just managed to with their village battle against a battery energy storage storage system in one of these best systems there were going to be something like 10 to 20 container ship sized battery storage systems put on a field right next to a woodland and blah blah blah uh nowhere near a solar farm or a wind farm okay so what's what energy is it storing oh yeah don't worry about that guys like you know we'll build the power lines as well like you know oh right great yeah even more healthy stuff hanging over our heads luckily it got um shut down uh but they're going up all over the place and they're going to use these when people realize how harmful the 5g towers are the best systems the solar farms how useless the wind turbines are they're going to turn on the farmers because that's the easiest way for the government and these people that have been the lobbyists that have been pushing this green narrative bullshit are going to hide behind oh well yeah is that guy sold out for 100 000 pounds like go and talk to him or the farmers get educated quick enough they go out on a field with their tractor they tie a chain to the tower and they just pull it down yeah that'd be that'd be the ultimate ultimate but you know he says i've got something quite loose one of my neighbors is trying to put solar farm in and as a farmer i don't blame him he's in his early 70s what's he going to do with the land it doesn't have anybody there's no there's nobody coming through to take it on why wouldn't you take take it as a business trying to stay solvent is a really easy way out so they've made the conditions so difficult so at the moment like the whole inheritance tax issue for instance if you're a 20 year old son of a farmer you're looking at probably 40 years working minimum wage 70 to 8 hours a week you put you won't get a month off you won't get a pension and then when your dad dies potentially you got to pay three or four hundred thousand pounds just to continue what you were doing before why the fuck would anybody want to do that i mean they've made it they have made it so it's virtually impossible to get new people on the farm and i remember going to a careers evening um our local school because they wanted to have like a farmers involved as well and i can remember them actually saying to students so you're not very bright effectively have you thought about farming wow which is the complete opposite of what it should be you're really bright have you thought about farming they they they think that we just walk around with throwing off the mouth yeah chewing chewing straw sitting on a tractor they have no idea of how complicated or the processes or how we can actually improve things i mean the whole carbon thing is complete i mean that's just money again that's money laundering absolute bullshit to think that my few cows are polluting their bloody atmosphere it's just it's just it's just it's beyond that comes back to my point earlier about the amount of 10 000 tons of diesel that it takes to plow the fields and harvest and all that kind of stuff you can't compare that carbon output if you really do believe in all of this bullshit and you've gone vegan or vegetarian because you want to save the planet because it's the cows that are the problem like guys just do the math just stop and look you don't ask yourself is monoculture good or bad like one knee jerk like question yes no and then build from that and what does it take to to to grow these bloody things what what what it is quite scary that but it's because it's disconnect so like when my customers come to me I mean I sell my milk for £2.50 a litre Delicious milk it is as well listeners, I'd just like to point that out I agree with you but when my customers come they're not thinking it's £2.50 a litre because that's not where the value is the value is in the way I'm farming the way it can cure their sorry I can't say cure it's the wrong word to use how it can help their IBS their eczema, their asthma and I've got so many people coming here saying why aren't the doctors just saying because i've been through you know some of these some of these customers have been through every single drug that they've been allowed for for their skin you know the doctors have like five on a on a on a list right we prevent this one first because it pays us best this and and then they come out here and i have our milk for a month and then eczema goes away they go why aren't we told this first i'm not going to tell you that because they're not they're not interested in helping you they're just interested in selling their drugs that's what they i'm not saying and that's that's disingenuous they i'm sure the doctors are thinking they're helping but reality is they're not they're not getting to the root cause which is your gut health basically um so people when people come to me they're not buying i don't know myself i did a survey on our customers and i thought it was going to be that we you know we tried to farm regeneratively we don't use antibiotics we keep cows and cows together we're going to be at once a day everything is you know everything i do is about animal welfare because if you've got a very healthy animal the food she produces is inherently going to be safe safe and healthy too and so i did this survey on our customers and the arseholes are only coming because they're gut health you know so and i and so i spoke to a few i said oh so um obviously we're making you i said oh yeah no i said so what about the other bits in the um survey oh no that's just a bonus john and now we know that you're doing all that and you know we like talking to you and that's all the bonus so it made me realize that when they come here they're not just buying milk they're buying health they're buying inclusion so you know if you come to the farm you want to see the cows you want to see me I'm nearly always available I spend a lot of time talking to people and because that's my job I'm their I'm their health provider and going on from that which is a really interesting conversation I have with somebody I said because I've been thinking about it and my life and work life balance and all the rest of and I said so um if you put me into I want you to put me into a bracket for for like a work for for work so am I unskilled labour am I skilled labour am I a manager am i a senior so so from my point of view if you come to me with skin issues health issues i can probably help you heal so should i be paid a surgeon's wage because i can keep you at hospital i can your ibs i can and so i don't you know this one of my customers have they've not cured they're Crohn's but they've they don't get the symptoms of Crohn's like like they were getting um IBS is a huge one um eczema asthma you know I had one woman come out she was on the blue and the brown inhaler every single day and she said I was told I was going to be on these for the rest of my life she was in her mid-40s and within a week on our milk she didn't take any I said how How is that even possible?

And I said because I released that in microbiome Your asthma is a histamine response Your eczema is a histamine response that what happened your gut is is is out of balance you need to reset that that your second brain it's telling your body when you break out in a thing that something's wrong there it's not just washing powder and atmospherics and stress your bloody your body your body is is actually out it's it's in dis-ease you know it makes you know the word the clues in the word isn't it so i realized that although i felt quite offended that people weren't coming to me because i was doing that when i found out what it was what it was doing the price of my my milk is actually irrelevant because they're buying into such a bigger package and i'm going back to where my my grandparents were farming they would have had a churn they would have gone up to the up the into the village and there's there's 13 farms when i was a kid 13 dairy farms when i was a kid there's just me now so those farmers would have taken their milk up into the village the housewife would have come out with her caught jug taking it out of the out of the thing she would have spoken to that farmer every single day hi mr jones how's it going i'm great how are you oh yep cows are milking well out of dead cow you know the weather's awful every single day the perceived value of that food increased because she had a daily update and you know she could tell from the tastes whether they were in different fields everything was was a was a it was a wholesome union a symbiotic relationship where you're when you drink that milk or you use that milk you had a real tangible visceral link to where it came from you go to a supermarket and buy it of the self it's just milk so i want it as cheap as i can make it why why do i have to pay two pound fifty a litre i mean i've had people say that's really expensive isn't it i said well then yeah that's fine but you're not my customer you just want shit to put on your shit cereals to make yourself inflamed well well i'm not going to be having that conversation with you no i had one guy come here i know him um there's a builder friend of mine and he said um i said well do you have some raw milk then he said oh no my wife's on the red top stuff because she's on a diet i said you do understand that fat doesn't make you fat it's the sugar that makes you fat is that do you understand that he's a wider no she just says i gotta have her so well you go back and tell her that the red top the skimmed milk has more sugar in it than the full fat milk so if she drinks more skimmed milk she'll get fatter than she would if she drank full fat milk you know and he said and And he said, he said, oh, it was quite expensive to John.

I was paying, I was charging one pound 60 a litre at this point.

He said, it's quite expensive though, isn't it?

And I got talking, I knew exactly, I was leading him because he'd been to the club at the end of the road and got pissed two nights before.

So he does it every single Thursday night.

I said, oh, I don't drink.

So I don't know what the price of beer is.

And I said, so how much is a pint of beer now then, Brian?

He said, he said what it was.

I went, I said, that's seven pounds a litre.

i said i'm one pound sixty liter how can you say my milk's expensive when you're buying seven pounds for piss yeah oh yeah but but it's a perceived value he gets enjoyment from that he's not thinking about nutrition nutrition and health is something the nhs does that's not my responsibility i don't need to be responsible if i get diabetes if i get high cholesterol whatever i just go to the nhs and they sort out and then i realized these people aren't interested in their health they're just interested in their entertainment and so whilst they're only interested in what they can get out of it and not seeing the bigger picture that their health is actually the most important thing and as soon as you lose it then you realize how important it is um so they are not my customer i can't have any dealings with these people because they they i say any dealings they're not going to ever be my customer because they don't see life in the way i see it and there's only people that come in for me for health you go my health is the most important thing to me ever it doesn't matter if my milk is five pounds a liter if i have to drink it stay healthy that's better than having a netflix subscription and going to the hospital so getting into that hole let's get into like the the whole raw versus uh pasteurized because And then you've got so there's kind of two ends of this, right?

You've got the people that just tell you milk is the devil.

What on earth are you doing drinking liquid from another animal's tit?

And then at the other end, you've got like the raw milk advocates like yourself and many of the people probably listening to this to understand, like, the less you fuck with something, the better it's going to be.

So and you let's go here first.

You mentioned earlier that you have a license.

So some people living in Australia or some parts of America or Canada might be thinking like, how the hell is he doing this?

Because they've been told by their governing bodies that it is illegal or unlawful, whatever words you want to use.

It's not unlawful.

It's illegal.

Yes.

There's another.

Let's stay out of that rabbit hole for now.

let's just raw milk so we have louis pasteur um who has been elevated to the father of biology and whatever else and said on his deathbed that um beauchamp was correct because he was the guy that was kind of taking the opposite view to him when they were having these battles but pasteur was lifted up and all of his knowledge and air quotes was then used throughout the medical system in vaccines and all this kind of stuff and pasteurizing milk which is where the word pasteurize and pasteur comes from when did this creep into like uh were you a kid when this started happening or was it already being pasteurized so sadly pasteurization came in at a time when it was needed so industrial revolution people started moving into town to work in factories virtually impossible to get milk from the country in any kind of scale into into the towns they didn't have lorries in the same way obviously we do now or refrigeration so the milk was going sour before it even got into into into the into the town so they decided to take the cow into town logic good logic problem is there's no grass in town so they started feeding them waste from the bakeries and the breweries so they changed the ph of the cow's stomach which made them sick so the cows they were in big buildings they never saw the light of day so everything about what they were doing was completely wrong for the health of the cow so these cows were producing milk which was watery it was thin it was um it was the the milk was sick right if you like before it even came out of them so factory farming this is exactly what factory farming was right yeah pretty much yeah it was yeah you're absolutely right they yeah they took factories and then they made the cows into factories put them into factories so um the milk was killing people i mean it literally was killing people because it was just a harboring an absolute um the best thing you can ever get for bacteria to grow in now that almost sounds like an oxymoron because raw milk has a lot of bacteria in it but it's good bacteria and that's the difference so grass-fed cows and only grass-fed cows their milk is inherently safe so um there have been trials where you put salmonella into healthy raw milk and the healthy bacteria outperform the bad pathogens so e.coli salmonella can't survive in really healthy raw milk and when that's that's why a lot of the um countries that don't have refrigeration have sour milk because the lactic acid builds and all of their cows are basically fed grass in india i'm thinking the main main one um so they just put it in buckets let the skin form on the top and what's underneath is is it's safe because it's it's gone sour soured milk is actually really really safe raw milk as the more time goes on as it starts to sour actually becomes safer because it kills all the bacteria off but if it's if it's healthy in the first place you just you just don't get that it's a very bad competitor a lot of pathogens are very bad competitors listeria not so so but i mean and and um there's there's another one which is a nasty one but um if you if you have good practices in place good hygiene you know we've as a as an industry we know a lot more about pathogen transfer you know a lot but we have really good cleaning chemicals we understand biofilms biofilms used to be a real problem for me so biofilm is a um is a film that would would would um basically protect bacteria from chemicals and heat and then every now and then it would just release and so when we test regularly and every now and then you'd have like a spike and you go what the hell is that and it wasn't until we had the biofilm cleaners in um it's just basically a a well he's the guy that sells it sells it for cleaning um motorhome and caravan water systems because you get them in those as well and uh so it's been a revelation so we understand how to make milk very very very safe so going back to the the past year when the when in when he's when he first started coming to to the fore um he had a perfect environment to sell his sell his sell his process um i mean they even had to put chalk into the milk to make it look white and i think they put flour in it to thicken up because it's just like water so the what sadly as i say the process was actually right for that time in my opinion they had to fit it and it is and you've alluded to already it's never it's never the cow it's always the how the process if you're if you're stressing the system out whether it's land humans you know athletes when they break they break really badly because they are on the edge and their their edge of their performance which the same applies to cows as well if you've got a cow giving 10 000 liters 13 000 liters of milk a year on a very high starch diet so they've got they've got to be so careful with their diets managing them their diets are micromanaged you know with they're trying to balance it with bicarbonate soda so that they going to get ulcers it's a absolute nightmare trying to keep high yielding cows i mean there are may i will say the farm there aren't any bad farmers left in in regard of bad farmers so the farmers of today have got onto this treadmill they need to keep getting more cows the cows need to give more milk heaven has to be the government telling us tighten your belts get more efficient and we're still going to pay you the cost of production you're not going to get any more money for we're just going to make sure that we get as much for as little as we can so farmers are amazing they can make rye grass grow as ridiculous speeds if we get any rain um they can make cows have amazing amounts of milk you know and the cow's needs are pretty much met as in if you go into these yards they you know they the the floor is brilliant the feed is brilliantly managed the beds are comfortable but the cows are just zombies they are just working so hard they're zombies you don't get that character that you do with my my bastards when i'm causing trouble and getting out and stuff um so don't ever don't ever slate a modern farmer because he is only trying to just trying to stay in business and you know i one of the things that i get presentably often is though because i keep the cows and cows together that's much harder than taking that calf away at day one putting it into an individual pen making sure it's drinking five six liters a day for a week so it's healthy checking the temperature and then moving into a is micromanaged you couldn't get better care on a for a health purpose when my cows are sucking in from the from the cows i just have to assume that they're getting enough milk i'm letting nature take its course and you know we have deaths like they have deaths it's it's there's no there's no um what i'm trying to say is it's very easy to vilify the modern day commercial farmer but he's just trying to stay in business and he's been taught just like the doctors are taught to have pills like he's taught that this is the way that you farm and it's virtually impossible for that farmer to come back to what i'm doing i don't i can't see a guy with three four hundred cows going right we need to back off let's just have 50 supply the local area because he he would he'd have his his facilities would be set up so much so he would it just it wouldn't compute in his head you couldn't do it um and going on from that i don't see the current farmer as being the farmer of the future it'll be people like you that go christ there's no milk around here i'm just going to go and buy a couple acres land and you know i'm just going to get a cow and i'm going to do it myself and then somebody said well we'll have some of the excess milk so then you sell to them and then you realize that there's 10 other people wanting the milk so you buy another cow and then you buy another cow and you just you what we should be doing is expanding farmers to meet their local environment their local geographical areas requirements decentralizing that's logical food security and it's it's sad that we've come to we've got we've got so far away from from where where we where we were like 13 farms in this village now it's just me and what's really sad is i don't have very many very many local customers my customers travel because they understand the value of the food so going back to the whole pasteurization thing yeah it was fit for purpose and the difference between a guy so like i'm producing raw milk to be consumed they're producing raw milk to be to be processed and it is again a different process you couldn't just go to the farmland won't go try some of your raw milk because i want raw milk because they would they don't know what's in it because it doesn't matter what's in it in regard of pathogens and such like because it gets pasteurized anyway so it gets destroyed it doesn't really matter so their focus is more on yield rather than cleanliness and that again that sounds like i'm being disingenuous because they're not they are very clean but they're just not in the clean in the way that i'm clean in regard that my focus is on very much on on pathogen transfer whereas theirs is just on getting it into the into the tank and cooling as quick as they can so you know they get they get monitored as much as not as much as i do they get monitored in some of the same things i do but um their their their focus if you've got 300 cows is going to be a little bit different than if you've got 50 and again it's not their fault they're producing food for a different market altogether they are producing it to get off this off the off the shelf so um it would be very dangerous if a another farmer just said oh yeah i'm going to start selling raw milk and then just gave some raw milk and then made you ill because that one illness would be a headline and it'd be nationwide news whereas the chinese restaurant in your local town that made 30 people ill from Camp Hylobacter, it's not a headline because it's happening in every bloody town.

And that's where the myth of raw milk is dangerous comes from.

Because there's so few of us doing it that we get one headline, one person gets ill.

And before you know it, you know, all of us are affected by it.

So our standards have to be really high.

We have to maintain that standard of keeping people because they are out to get us.

They do not want us.

they do not want us to be in existence.

Because we're taking money away from the pharmaceutical companies.

Absolutely, mate.

And like you said, there used to be 13 farms around you, but this centralizing power, i.e.

the government, which everybody has to be regulated by and licensed by, and like you mentioned DEFRA earlier, they know where everybody's acre of land is.

They can just keep applying that pressure and just keep dwindling the amount of farmers because the more centralized you are, the easier it is to control.

And they want ultimate control over the food system, basically, because how do you best control people?

One, through the monetary system.

Two, through the education system, a la the reason doctors give out all these pills because they've got the sunk cost fallacy of eight years of going through having smoke blowing up their asses, told that they're the most incredibly intelligent people in the world and they just glorified drug peddlers.

and controlling the food.

Now, if you do all of those three things, then it's no wonder we live in the world that we do today.

So to that other far end of the scale, we shouldn't be drinking liquid that comes from another animal.

I mean, to me, that just...

You have to think anthropologically again and just go all the way back.

and we as our species have been drinking cow or goat milk about a thousand years my goodness me like you know it's not just now it's like right guys that was a bad idea and you did all that wrong like that's just where my mind falls but is there any actually you know better argument for that like uh if you were to coming from their standpoint would you be able to is there any any ounce of truth in what they're saying or or are they coming from you shouldn't be drinking that because it's like the factory farmed milk that you were just talking about is there a disconnect there perhaps or even but you'd think they would find the raw milk answer but the um the veganism i i do understand i understand why some of you go vegan and i get a lot of ex-vegan customers come here a lot of ex-vegan people come become my customers um and i've got one recently she was just she's so gutted she's so gutted that she believed the shit and she fed her kids that way and she's she's she's really struggling with guilt at the moment wow but i understand how they get there because if you see any of the images that they get seen uh get shown sorry in the um or get to see in the social media if you've had no experience of a farm a real farm if you've not actually been onto a real farm you can believe whatever they whatever they tell you and so i can't i can't watch that shit i just i mean i just cannot cope with it it upsets me too much it astounds me that they want to keep watching it i don't understand that almost seems like a little bit sick but that doesn't happen here but i understand why they would then have a such a visceral response to seeing that because if you see that kind of abuse you're going to go i don't want to be any part of that what happens after about three five years their bodies start to crumble and they kind of go well we can't keep this up anymore because we need to there's a few that can cope with it but the majority of people cannot cope with it and then they start their bodies start to crumble they start to have things going wrong that is nutritionally based they can't think their stomach stopped working you know the females stopped menstruating and the kids stopped growing and and it has to have one of my customers he actually cried on me twice i said you need to get off the soy because he's making you a soy boy i know i see him now i said don't cry don't cry chris don't cry um but he was so upset that he'd again believed everything he'd been told so my take on it is ancestrally i've looked back and i and i realized that we've it's uh the cows allowed us to domesticate them in for protection and so we have had a symbiotic relationship yes we them which may be not so nice but we look after them as well as we can for that period on on the planet now nature is pretty cruel and there's so i don't i don't agree with sanctuaries i don't think cows should have sanctuaries because although cows the modern day cow is not a natural animal by by any stretch of imagination if you think bison obviously are natural if you watch their process as soon as they get ill or weak or lame those they are food for the wolves the bears the hyenas whatever it may wherever it may be so our brains are going that's really cruel but actually that's that's their process so if you see a wildebeest getting taken down they just give up they chase they get taken down they just give up they it's almost like their fate so they can't get away so they they allow it to happen so animals in the wild don't get ill or don't have prolonged illness they don't have prolonged lameness so when you start seeing these cows in sanctuaries that are arthritic that is not a natural state for an animal to be in arthritic animals don't exist in the wild and we try to go well we can help them but you're not helping them you're doing that for your own purpose you're not doing that for the animal's sake now we get if i get any ill animal or animal breaks his leg or something like that you know i'll assess and if we can't fix it then i have no other choice it has to be you know taken care of and i have no qualms doing that you know i've machinery to do it and if if it's if a case of if i see an animal in in in pain i'll do something about it i'll either give her some painkillers or i'll give her a lead injection to make sure that the pain goes away permanently it's one of those one of those one of those um things so i don't i don't agree with sanctuaries at all so we i have a um and accidents must happen all the time especially in a wet field or something like a a cow might break its leg foot yeah yeah i had a cow break his leg not long ago right upside down in it i've got a south upside down in a ditch and managed to break a leg so i just had to do it lovely lovely cow but that's my job i mean i'm caretaker of those animals.

So I do understand vegans and I understand that we try to put our feelings onto them i don't think they have the same feelings as we do in in so like a cow is only interested in where her where her food is at that time or where the herd is they're not thinking three years time i'm looking forward to seeing my my bullock grow up and like leave the herd because that's not the way they think they are only thinking in the now there's only i think there's only really humans that are able to map out a future if you like they are literally for the now where's my next meal coming from where am I going to lay down where am I going to get food from is there anybody watching me that I need to be scared of they're prey animals prey animals only live in the now um and so I think I don't think we can we can put our feelings onto them yes you know if they get separated from their youngsters yes they're going to cry because that's a that's an unnatural situation and they they want to protect but all the other feelings that we have aren't in the same they do have grief and i give my treat my cows homeopathically and i always give them remedies if i have to remove a calf even if it's gently i also give them a remedy just to help help that that process um so i don't know quite where i'm going to go next but basically i understand where vegans come from i understand why they would feel like they do when they come to me and they realize that my processes are as natural close to their narnia as i can get to um they're they're far more far more invested in it and it's we're in a strange situation where if you don't support me you're inadvertently supporting the the other so if you don't buy from me and i fail and i go out of business then the only thing that's left is a commercial if 50 vegans and i've actually i do have one vegan um that has listened to some of my talks when i go around the country and she's been to two and she puts out i'm the vegan that supports you she puts her hand up because she she understands she actually she was trying to trip me up in the in the talks kind of asking me questions and trying to trip me up and i i gave her the answers that she wasn't expecting and um then she went right okay well we need to support you and that's absolutely the thing so if you're a vegan and you're anti every single farmer then you're missing the point of what i'm trying to do i'm trying to get it back to be far more animal based far more um welfare based you're not going to get vegans won't get what they want it's just not going to happen there's too many meat eaters in in the country just it's not going to happen we're too entrenched into that way of way of life to ever change back and you know we get ill if we do so um the best thing to do is to support me support the farmer down the road that's trying to do exactly what i'm trying to do even if you don't buy their bloody stuff go and give them a tenner just to say well we really appreciate what you're doing and we want to support you and make sure you're successful so that we can maybe dilute the commercial side of it um so it's an interesting it is the whole i mean and i don't engage with vegans anymore if anyone get onto my social media I just block them and I don't engage with them because there's, you can't, well, I say you can't, if you get into a fight with stupid, they're always going to win because they're much more stupid than you are.

So, you know, I don't know.

I'm not going to bring myself down to that level.

I'm doing what I believe is right.

And I'm nearly there.

So ask me another question.

Yeah, no problem.

I think we've covered it all off.

So I want to ask you now about, and big shout out to Mike.

how did he not convince you?

I suppose that's not the right word.

Or kind of persuade you gently over a period of time to even consider accepting Bitcoin.

He was actually here this morning.

Was he really?

Yeah.

I don't remember how long ago he started asking me if I should do it.

and it was more of a case of just not understanding really what the process was or or any of it and um he's very helpful and said i'll set you up and he sent me all the links and so i joined the satoshi's wallet whenever it was and wallet satoshi sorry yeah wallet satoshi yeah and um so he probably put it in place and then he said it's a great community and we'll you know we all stick together and that's proven to be absolutely the case.

You know, many people have sent donations, two or four pounds.

It's like, wow, these people actually, well, that's, you know, thanks for being the first raw milk producer accepting Bitcoin or just local and we want to support you.

And I've had different Bitcoin customers come and they say, we're a Bitcoiner and, you know, we heard about you on Daniel or Mike said or somebody else said.

and so yeah it's really it's an interesting interesting community let's put it that way yeah we've had some good chats next to your shed with uh with other people that um i just met that when we were there and i forgot to ask you lauren's first question she's not around actually um her and samuel her her twin brother have just uh started a land management course john with exposure to animals all the way from insects all the way up through to I think the largest they have there on site would be a goat or a sheep I can't remember one of the two but everything in between you know the bunnies the guinea pigs and chickens blah blah blah and so they've started doing that but she's a big cow fan her favourite animal is a cow she's got cow pictures she's got cow slippers like she's a cow girl and uh she wanted to know she's asked this from uh another farmer before but she wanted to know is it true that cows have best friends within the herd yeah that so lovely The other guy said the same He a Norwegian guy does regenerative farming and accepts Bitcoin for beef and whatever else.

And he said exactly the same thing.

Yeah.

No, they definitely have their friends and their enemies.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Oh, yes.

And we find that if you separate them for feeding purposes, let's say, you know, one cow's, you know, I've got the milking herd and then I've got the dry herd.

And dryers will go with the beef.

And sometimes if you separate them, it may be like a gate that's separating them, but they will stand each other at the gate.

And I saw two yesterday that had come up, Jersey Girl and one of the Spoon.

So they were just either side of the gate.

Just like talking, I suppose.

I don't know what they were saying to each other.

And then I went off and fed one group and she had a spoonful of me out.

But yeah, no, they do have their relationships.

Excellent.

Well, so back to Bitcoin.

I'm sure we've explained this to you before, Rick and I, when we were there and other Bitcoiners that have come along, like, you know, it's important to us that we can get access to real food.

And we want to, the best way for us to express that and communicate the value is to use the best form of money that humans have ever discovered or invented.

There's even, you know, did we discover it?

Did we invent it?

There's that whole rabbit hole to deal with.

But when, and this is, I'm talking to my local farmer at the moment, And he seems very keen, very interested to learn, just like you were.

And I think that the farming community is definitely geared up to understand this because value for value.

If I'm handing, I went and bought a great big top side of beef the other day from him.

And that was 60 pounds and 15 pounds a kilo.

So it was a big piece.

I was feeding 10, 11 people and I handed it to him.

And he's like, yeah, I'm not set up for Bitcoin yet.

I know, but we'll get you there.

Because right now I feel as I'm just giving you debt discharging instruments.

Right.

The time you've spent with that animal.

And for me, just to like flippantly throw three 20 pound notes across the table doesn't make me feel good.

I'm not upholding my end of the bargain here.

I am not giving you value.

What I'm taking from you is valuable.

and I'm giving you something that is going to be debased and degraded and worth less over time.

That is not a fair exchange.

And this is what we Bitcoiners hope that when we when we have these discussions and find people like yourself that are willing to take that risk in air quotes, right?

What's the risk?

Like you might you might get a couple of extra hundred pounds a month and it's going to be in Bitcoin and you'll look at it in two or three years time.

You'll be like, oh, shit well that's now worth x amount and you know these touch points will just keep coming and the epiphanies will just keep dropping and then we can start decentralizing everything and you know building these communities and uh we touched uh again on like the lawful versus legal thing i've done a few podcasts on that already uh and i know you've been looking into that um maybe we'll do that one another day i don't know but just quickly to quickly to to bounce a question off off of you on that um the registration of um what what what is in the tack vector i think in in has been going on all over europe are these mass coals of livestock uh bird flu for example or uh what's the what's the cow one clarkson tweeted about this oh tb tb um has has he had to destroy some animals or right how that's awful obviously um is is the way you farm it because you have to register your animals right and if you register something then it's you give power away it's you've give power away and it's now owned by the governing body and if they say you've got to kill all your cows you've got to kill all your cows yep so i am looking into deregistering um everything if i can my problem will be that i can't if i deregister a i'm going to be a target a huge target for the government because they're going to want to shut that down as quick as they can um i need other farmers to deal with because if i have calves to sell let's say and they don't have ear tags or passports they can't go into the general market i can't take stuff to the abattoir because it has to have passport and an ear tag um so as a livestock farmer i either need to get more land so i can just grow everything i want build an abattoir and just cocoon myself from it that would be the plan that would be the ultimate plan the problem is that takes a lot of money and putting in a abattoir is going to be a few a few million before you even even start you still there yeah go ahead just lost my camera no it's back and so I think as I said to you earlier the farmer of the future won't be the farmer of today so in my view it will be new entrants people like yourself saying right we want a couple of cows Where can we get a couple of unregistered cows Well, I'll be that person and I can start you up.

Then you can stay unregistered.

And then maybe I can sell you a calf for beef or, you know, you can sell me calves back.

And before we know it, we're going to have a whole network of people that we can do outside of the registration.

This sounds awesome.

this this is the bitcoiners dream like to have the citadel like the small holding you know anywhere between one to five acres some might want 100 whatever but like you know take it slow yeah no absolutely take it slow because you know five acres you can make plenty of food on fact you make plenty of food on one acre half an acre if you like vegetables and things it wouldn't work for me but um you know ruminants ruminants probably you know a cow needs probably at least two acres to be able to survive grass-wise one cow one cow yeah right yeah um i mean i've got i've got 110 animals that varies from a week old to oh this one's about 14 at the moment um and i farm 160 acres so i'm through quite a few mistakes not just mine something else's as well the vet um i've got a lot more animals than i should have um would that be roger no no no roger no roger is just um he's actually a friend he does a few bits for me but he's not my sign if you like right we we we were supposed to have had a bull vasectomized and he he clearly wasn't very fertile very fertile ball um so i've got a lot of um brown babies on the floor i didn't want brown babies at market don't make very good money so i've kept them to grow them to to be to be bigger steers what what do you mean brown babies uh so south devon sorry the south breed that's the breed right i see breed yeah i say brown bear that's the color basically the color of them right i've got you and um so i i i use artificial insemination and he was like a tease teaseable so he was supposed to tell me when they were coming into season or you know when when they ovulated when they were ready to be as soon as he served them I know I had about 12 hours after that, 12 to 18 hours, to artificially inseminate them.

Because obviously live semen is much more virile than frozen semen.

And when you put frozen semen in, you're trying to meet the egg coming down the fallopian tube.

So you've got the advantage of it coming.

You're meeting it halfway, whereas his semen was having to go all the way up to try and get it towards the top.

Anyway.

Well, that's interesting.

Right, right.

so it's it's in your interest to do the artificial insemination because you're going to have a much better um result like no no you'd have be less less of a less less um less effective the uh the the reason we use artificial insemination is because they will choose what the progeny is going to be so if we've got a jersey a nice jersey cow we will serve her with a jersey sire i see yes we can get sire but if we've got too many i don't want all of my cows to have the same calves so if we've already got enough jersey progeny coming through then we'll we'll serve them to an angus aberdeen angus and the aberdeen angus meat is just cross with jersey is just the best so we're choosing cow to cow so like a young cow would have a far easier calving bull so you as they the more tested they are the more data you get to how easy they are to calving so our focus is on making sure that the cow is calved as easy as possible so we'll have easy and then they they you've got a whole list i don't know how many things are 25 30 things on the list of why you would choose the ball confirmation increase in milk um feet whether they get good feet or not whether they um fat covering and all that sort of stuff depends on what sort of ball they are so there's an index so they've they've narrowed it down to a a um two basically two indicators so you can plus for i can't remember what it is like sarah does all that i don't get involved in it because it bores me but um one's for like a a um a finished carcass rating and then another one's for dairy rating so you can say oh yeah it's plus 360 whatever it means or or minus if it's uh if you're going to go go backwards so um it's uh it allows us to manipulate what animals we have on the farm and so like with the breeding stock if you if you um sorry the productive milk producing side you want to have females obviously they do something called sex semen now so they will literally sex the semen in the laboratories by hand i think they do there must be a process by now but they were doing it by hand and i don't know how i have no idea how so you would inject with sex semen so you'd be expecting to have a girl out of that so jersey and brown swiss fleck v the um um you would you would expect them to be girls because boy jerseys don't make very good carcasses because they're really they're really tiny so you want to have a little bit of bulk on them they look like girls when they older basically Soy boys So they don have their genetics to get bulky in the same way that the beef animals do Not that I explained that very well.

No, you did.

It makes a lot of sense.

And just another insight into the level of detail and whatever and work that goes in that we as outsiders just don't get to see.

which is why it's great that you were willing to come on the podcast and have this chat.

I really appreciate it.

And it's a testament to you and what you're trying to achieve as well by being open and listening to Mike and being open to learn about Bitcoin and just play around with it and accept.

I'll put a link to the farm in the show notes with a QR code and your wallet of Satoshi address.

so people can send donations if they want to help support.

Are you at the point yet where you're delivering out?

Is it around the UK if people wanted to buy your product?

At the moment, no.

We've had a really rough winter, summer.

I'm sure you've all realised there's been no rain.

So we just haven't had the grass.

So the milk year has been pretty depressed.

And sadly, we've been using our winter forage to get us through this period.

So at the moment, we're not quite sure how we're going to get through the winter.

We're probably going to have to lose quite a few animals.

And every farmer is in the same boat.

So at the moment, we haven't got enough to send out.

Right.

But we do have an online shop where you can buy milk and we can send it out at some point.

But it probably almost certainly won't be till the spring now.

Okay.

All right.

Well, it's sad because we'd like to obviously give as many people the opportunity.

well I've got some I've got some in the freezer so we're all good well John I'll let you go mate I'm sure you've got pigs to go and uh double check haven't escaped again and uh all the rest of it I know you've always got customers turning up and uh I appreciate you giving up your time and everything that you're doing to to help people learn about how to get healthy and um yeah and farming I think it's very very important appreciate appreciate everything you're doing Thank you, Daniel.

Have a good afternoon, mate.

Thank you, sir.

Well, there you go, listeners.

Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.

Thank you, John, for coming on the show and sharing all of your experience.

Worm farming.

I did not have worm farming on my bingo card for learning about worm farming in 2025.

I love all these little rabbit holes, these niche stories, learning about other people's lives.

I'm sure many of you do too.

And what brings them to Bitcoin?

And in John's case, His product.

Because his product is so damn good and people like us are going to value it, we're going to want to exchange the best form of money humans have ever discovered for that.

Like that is the communication.

I've got a friend here now close to where I live.

I'm buying beef from him with cash.

That feels dirty to me because it's just cash.

I mean, yes, he's going to be able to use it, but it's not going to be storing value.

It's going to be debased.

It's going to be losing purchasing power the minute it hits his pocket.

And it's not a true, it's a debt discharging instrument.

It's not a true representation of everything that he's done, all of that work, that time, that energy to rear the cattle, to, in John's case, to make the milk.

And, you know, put his reputation on the line, put his career on the line, everything on the line, because don't forget, raw milk is bad for you, right guys?

You should be drinking the pasteurized stuff.

We touched on that rabbit hole in this discussion.

You know, you're pissing against the wind.

So it will be people like us that are listening to this podcast that can help people like John and your local farmer.

Go find them, go shake their hands, start having a conversation, ask if you can buy direct, start that thing rolling.

If you run a Bitcoin podcast, invite the farmer down.

Our local lad, he's coming along.

He's been to his first one.

He loved it.

He's going to come along to the next one as well.

And we've already got Bitcoiners buying beef off him.

So it's not just me.

This is how we start.

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get your personal tour guide if you want or get the get the find out where the uh the the local places are that accept bitcoin the restaurants the bars the cafe whatever uh we have now the wallet is fully up and running and functional it's great to use uh there's there's tap zap function where if if you're dming with someone you know like you hit the like button on twitter and it's just kind of a little acknowledgement that you've seen it you can do that now on the orange pill app dms you just tap the message and instead of a like you send one sap it's so cool so they get the sap and the acknowledgement that you've seen it and it's it's people are having so much fun with it the geo zapping as well you can geo zap a whole city i geo zapped new york the other day london i know i geo zapped uk to tell them about the conference that's coming up in berry st edmunds I said at the beginning of the show, hit the link in the show notes.

Get along there this weekend.

That's going to be great fun.

And Manchester at the end of November.

That's enough for this week.

Make sure you're stacking your sats.

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Take it easy.