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Speaker 2I don't know.
I guess it's the Broncos did lose three kings in a row?
Speaker 3Now are we doing this well?
Speaker 2I mean it's a weird if.
I mean we sports song.
We do a lot of ifs.
It's much any and.
Speaker 4Christmas.
Speaker 3I'm just telling him, already feisty today, Okay, So don't get me going.
I I've had a feisty board and I'm feeling feisty.
Yeah.
Speaker 2What are you feeling feisty.
Speaker 4About?
Speaker 2Like BO and the Broncos?
Are you feeling fight?
Are you feeling like defending bow?
Speaker 5No?
Speaker 3No, I don't know.
I don't know, man, I mean I'm not.
I'm not.
It's weird, right because I've been very honest about Bo, very very honest, and I've never I don't think I've ever come across as a boat defend right.
I mean, I've been honest in my analysis of them.
It's been concerning from day one this year.
But what I don't love is prisoner of the moment, feelings right, and there's too high, too low, too high, too low.
We're caught up in the moment, we're right in the wave, and all of a sudden we're having conversations about benching Bodex because he sucks for a couple of games, you know.
So yeah, that's that's all.
That's all.
Speaker 2Okay, Hey man, I'm just playing the what do you say?
Candy and ifs?
And and the nuts and butts and what did you say?
Speaker 4It's where candy and no ifs and buts?
Speaker 5If?
Speaker 4But where candy and nuts?
We don't have the Mary Christmas.
Speaker 2I mean, we can play that game or not.
I don't want to, you know, throw you off kilter here.
Speaker 4But yeah, last week for Syracuse, by the way, I forgot.
Speaker 2Hell yeah, we talk about that as much as you want.
Speaker 4I saw you where these I know.
Speaker 2But Clemson, me, Clemson, how far have they dropped?
I I don't even know what to say.
They were preseason ranked the top five team that is now one in three.
So I would love to celebrate in the joy of beating Clemson as an accuse.
But maybe Clemson just sucks.
I don't know who knows, But they got that club Knick kid who is supposedly going to be one of the best quarterbacks.
He looks like dog.
But Syracuse is doing some good things.
Syracuse is copying what see you wants it to do, just in the portal, except when, hey, we got.
Speaker 3Two wins up there in Boulder.
What you talk about?
Speaker 2Yeah, the Orange of three and one.
They lost to Tennessee, who appears to be really good by the way, sot Syracuse got ten wins last year with fran Brown, their their new coach, who is from the Kirby Smart School Tree from Georgia.
Well that's a pretty good place to come from.
Speaker 4But uh but anyways, but enough accuse.
Yeah, Arkansas can't win a close game and we'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2You can't finish, just like Sean.
Speaker 4Two good weeks, gets two good teams and couldn't finish.
Speaker 3I saw some of that Memphis game.
Speaker 2If the Broncos were to lose.
First of all, I don't think they're gonna lose to Cincinnati.
I don't.
But you got you know, coacher in here talking about culture coming in here with analytics on us when we walk well, because pro football focus.
If you haven't seen the numbers.
Bow's like the worst quarterback in the league right now.
Speaker 4Two weeks in a row.
Speaker 2It's not good.
Like if you want to dial in on the PFF numbers for bo, it's it's pretty ugly.
Speaker 4Well, I'll just say this, and this goes on Tyler's comments, WAGO can't be too high, can't be too low.
If you're gonna live live in the realm of PFF, if you're propping them up on your offensive line analytics, then you've got to You've got to use it for the quarterback analytics too.
Speaker 3Online did not have a great day, by the way, I did go back and broke down the film.
First two games they played lights out.
This game, Luke Wattenberg in particular, really struggled and we got crushed on the ets t s all the games.
Man, we just could not pass those off.
I'll give I'll give La some credit though.
There were about three or four runs that were blowing up in the backfield.
There wasn't Jack squatt we could do about it.
It was perfect call for the perfect play at the right time.
Scheme and and and they just they schemed it up.
Man.
Speaker 4Maybe maybe they understood and watched better film and unders had a better understanding what whoever the play caller was was gonna call.
Speaker 3So I thought that the offensive line was not nearly as good in pass protection.
The run game looked like a disaster, but when you break down the film why it was a disaster, there wasn't a lot they could do about it.
Speaker 4Well, that first run of the game was with with Harvey right, and he got blown up.
Speaker 3It was to Harve camera.
But I can't recall the run itself.
Speaker 4Yeah, I think I think they lost two or four yards on the like the first run.
Speaker 2Play, even one of his two carries.
Speaker 4Yeah, well, because I think his first to what was he two yards for?
Speaker 2Is two for two?
Speaker 4But but so he had two carries two yards, so.
Speaker 2I mean he must he could have lost something and then gain more, you know, obviously, But you know, and.
Speaker 4Again again, this is way too early and it takes what three years to judge the draft class.
Sure, this is not a good start for this this draft class.
Is that a fair?
Is that at least a fair statement?
Speaker 5You know?
Speaker 3You know, it's interesting though, I last week Raj and Mike they they broke down all of the offensive playmakers in the first round, So you know, they didn't go through the offensive line and all that, but yeah, wide receivers, running backs, and they looked at the stats of every first round playmaker.
Basically everyone was off to a slow start.
The entire league was off to a slow start.
Speaker 4Even Warren.
Warren seemed to be having a pretty good first couple of weeks.
Speaker 3Well, that would be an exception.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I know what Scott saying.
It's it's a really slow start in with the soroncos draft picks.
Maybe Jones not playing, Ke Robinson isn't playing.
You cut the tight end, the punter's been the best player.
Pat Bryant's not catching the ball.
RJ.
Harvey had two carriages two yards and Jade Baron, by the way, he played the least amount of defensive stabs of anybody of the whole team.
In terms of guys who played defense, Baron played the least.
I mean, this is just what's going on right now.
Speaker 4Well, here's an interesting thing.
I've always said this, especially in ago NBA Draft, NFILD draft, NBA draft, you're getting young kids or staying in college maybe one year, you know, something like that.
Yeah, you know, if you get a four year.
Guy, it's rare, but they do happen, but it's rare.
The kid from Carolina, you know, one year, and he was young.
He was young going into in the in the college basketball, and the only struggle because a it's if you're playing with grow men.
The game is faster.
We always talk about that.
We used to always when we could talk to players, we'd always ask rookies.
We say, what's the biggest difference in every one of them?
Used to always say, boy, just getting used to the speed.
The speed at this level is way different.
Same thing in basketball too, and physicality, same thing in the NFL.
And so I think rookies tend to struggle a little bit anyway, especially in basketball.
Well the NFL.
To me, it's almost becoming the same thing with the transfer portal.
You're not having guys go to one school being taught by one good offensive coordinator, an offensive line coach, or a wide receiver coach and getting fundamentally stepping up each suffer each and every year to what you could do.
Instead, everybody's free marketing, free bidder.
We're just going to take you on talent.
And so I'm really wondering in today's football in the NFL.
When you're getting these guys that's been to two or three schools, how much were they Were they really trained?
Were they really forced?
Juju Lewis is going to be example.
See you if he leaves, did he learn anything this year?
Or is he gonna have to be completely retaught next year?
And if he goes and stays one year there and goes somewhere, And I just wonder where the fun mental teaching is for the kids in college anymore.
And so I think you're gonna see more and more rookies really step up in the NFL, and you're gonna see less and less significant guys because I just don't think the training is there anymore.
Speaker 2Like Deon Sanders said to the Kelsey brothers, I didn't learn anything sitting on the bench, big laugh, like way too big of a laugh.
But there's there's truth there there.
Speaker 3There is their truth there.
Speaker 4But I tell you what if Juju Lewis took this year to learn how to study film, to learn how to break down others, to not only watch maybe the film of his own, but other high level quarterbacks are playing in the league, you know Prime has the ability to get get film on on Josh Allen and other guys around and really learn to study film and really learn footwork, get bigger and stronger.
He can learn this year and you come out next year and you're ready to go.
Speaker 3Yeah, and sometimes like, okay, I agree, Probably the far majority of us learn better through actual hands on experience petition.
That's probably the far majority of us.
But I'll just use myself for example.
I wasn't ready to play football my freshman year of college.
I was barely ready to play football by sophomore year of college.
And it really wasn't tell by third year that I could go out there, which would be my red shirt sophomore year.
But it wasn't until that third year that I could go out there and even attempt to learn right, Because if you go out there too early, sometimes you're just not ready, like like you are not ready to even know what you need to learn.
Speaker 2Well, what about as a pro.
Speaker 3It's different.
Most guys are not afforded the luxury of time.
Now, I'll say this about today Baron.
It was a luxury pick from the get go.
But if you're gonna take a luxury pick, it better work out, because otherwise you could have just rolled the dice on a position to need.
Speaker 2Well, this whole thing is gonna boil down now.
There's little bit more pressure on bow here because it's been three kind of crappy games for him.
And yeah, I mean you should win.
You don't beat Cincinnati, Okay, that Eagles game is going to be tough, and then you're gonna roll from that to England.
A lot riding on this game here, man, bow Nicks, this is a big bow game here.
I mean, we're we're talking about the fourth game of the year in your second year.
I mean, let's go.
Let's go with the other team down their quarterback.
I mean, are you better than Jake Browning?
Speaker 4You better be?
Speaker 2You should be.
I mean, and coming up, you know, we had somebody say, hey, bow Knicks is Drew Lock.
We actually have a numbers comparison to give you.
We'll do that in about five minutes.
But I mean, if you don't want to beat Drew Lock, you better have some some games that don't represent, you know, resemble Drew Lock, because there's a lot of quarterbacks that could have done in the first three weeks what bo just pulled off.
I mean, that ain't nothing special going on right now.
Speaker 4I just think I really do this.
I think Bo's bow.
I don't think he's gotten stupid.
I don't think he's lost ability.
I just think the league adjusts to you, and they the league's fired.
The first volley is as we know what you like, and we're going to try to take away what you like and only give you things you're not comfortable with.
AKA three miss long passes down the field that you know, two of them hit.
Heck one of them hits.
You win the game.
And I think that's what the league do.
And now it's time for both to make it.
Speaker 2Well, let me ask you guys this question.
If it's
Speaker 6Well.
Speaker 2an if question, but if the Broncos dropped their next three games at one in five, hard to make the playoffs, but not impossible at one in five with everything else you've invested in this team, is it not Stidham time against the Giants back from England.
Speaker 4Oh, that'd be a big step.
Speaker 3I don't I don't know.
If there's.
Speaker 2Uh, you've lost five James.
Speaker 3I mean, I'll give you this.
The outside noise will be very loud.
Yeah, I mean we'll be having that conversation.
The fans might be chantting for steady.
I think that that's an unavoidable reality if you lose that many games.
I still don't know if that would be the right thing to do for the franchise, though.
Speaker 2All right, I'm just saying the season ain't over.
At one in five, it's not good, but the season ain't over.
You can make some magic happen.
Still, I don't know.
I don't know what kind of lease you want to give bo.
I don't think it's infinite, because I think there's just too many things that are good with this team that they can win games.
And I'll just say it, man, I think if Sidham is the starting quarterback this past Sunday, they win.
I do not think he overthrows three different times.
I think he gets it done.
And I don't think he even have to be that spectacular to get it done.
I don't think you have to be that special.
You know what, you gotta be special when you play the Ravens or the Lions.
That's where you gotta be special as a quarterback.
What a game that was?
Oh my god, fun, Oh my god?
Speaker 4Did did did did you think of a Sunday when when it's seven point late in the game in your territory.
Yes, fourth and one and it went forth.
Speaker 3It wasn't the same.
Speaker 4I was.
Speaker 2It was rocketing through my small p brain, but you know it wasn't the same.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3What does matter.
Speaker 2What you saw was an attitude.
What you saw was a identity they were.
And then when you saw the double options, that was one of the coolest damn plays I've ever seen.
And then you realize, oh, they got a bunch of those plays up their sleeve, like.
Speaker 4With a new OC.
Speaker 2And then you see with.
Speaker 3The dude that was in our building Johnny Moorton, he was in our building last year.
Speaker 2And then you see the touch of goth late in the game, the same brown when they needed it late, when they could have just run it for the clock, but they're they're setting this up and you see his touch on the pass and listen, I get it.
Lamar Jackson got sacked a million times and they struggle, but you think bo Nicks looks anything like Lamar Jackson or what they can do.
And Dereck Henry, I don't know what is going on with that dude, because he is awesome.
But you're two huge games that you're fumbling the ball against the Bills, and then last night, like, dude, you can't do that, but against good teams, not against the good teams.
I mean, come on, man, you look at the Broncos.
Compare those two teams.
Last night stop.
Speaker 4I was listening to the show and one of the drives Detroit had and Brent was trying to compare it to a slow drip coffee machine or a crrick, and how Detroit is like a slow drip.
They had an eighteen play drive for a touchdown.
I believe thirteen runs.
You think that's taking any time off the clock, right?
Speaker 5You know?
Speaker 4He said, Chom Payton ain't slow drip.
He's a crick.
Put the cup down, put it down, hit a button.
And They've got to live on big plays.
And we talked about that yesterday.
They have really hit big plays consistently to win a game.
One more big play in that game Sunday they win the game.
Speaker 2By the way, I'm not going to be too harsh on Sean, because all of us thought it was reasonable they punted on fourth down.
It is.
It was the only thing I was reminded of yesterday watching the Lions is that Dan Campbell would have gone for it.
Speaker 5That's it.
Speaker 3Yeah, but you know who else did that and it cost him a playoff game than stay well well Dan Campbell Stanton, No, but Staley's was our situation.
It was our situation.
Dan Campbells situation was not our situation.
If you get past the forty, that's goes on for about every team, and that was Staley went forward on his own twenty and that was nearly the identical situation we were in, and it cost him a football game.
Speaker 2Did they have the lead because I think.
Speaker 3That's what I don't recall the exact score.
Speaker 2They were going to win the game, okay, because I think having a seven point lead, specifically a seven point lead, is a big part of that.
And again I'm not being overly critical of it because all of us would have probably just okay, punt sounds fine, but just watch in that Lions game.
Speaker 3It's like we would have murdered him.
If he went for it and he didn't get it, we would have murdered him.
Speaker 4Lions look good anyway, but if he goes for it and gets it and they hold on to win the game, we're we're praisy, sure, we'll.
Speaker 2Get through more of that.
We do have some interesting numbers with Locke and Knicks to get to you.
Dion spoke today, so we'll hear the latest from Prime.
And did you hear Brett Kane ripping on Ralphie today?
Speaker 3I did not?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, like he new Ralphie.
Yeah, new Ralphie and Ralphie in general.
Okay, well you know what Brett's corn trust me PhD On ninety two five, Peyton Manning was having fun on the Manning cast and had some suggestions for rule changes.
We'll get to that in about about eighteen minutes or so, so stick around for that Bone Nicks, and we'll get to Brett Kine hating Ralphie, which was boy, I didn't have that on my bingo card for this morning, but okay, And we'll hear from Dion Sanders from earlier today as they get ready to take on b Y you whoof see what's up with that?
Somebody on the seat mas The text line one price, one person, one hour, getting a bunch of stuff here, Jared Goff took a long time to develop.
You have to be patient with bo.
Here's Stu.
Why are we comparing a second year guy to MVPs from the four ninety four if it is determined that Bo doesn't work out.
Is it feasible?
Hold on, this is a this is it feasible to Broncos could offer a seventh round pick for Schadure.
We'll get into that in a little bit.
Or Hey, I think we got to be a little bit more patient with Bo risendo.
Oh he wants to make a comment Derrick Henry because he's going to be an Adam Sandler movie.
Uh, if Stidham goes in in all this season, we need a fire sale.
And then from the two eight, five to three, here comes boy with a shock jock tactic.
So that's the responses there to Bo.
It was actually Mike Sandford as we were walking in, I mean throughout the suggestion I have a bad feeling about the Cincinnati game.
Not me.
Speaker 3We would all agree that it's way way too early to have this conversation, right, Well, I.
Speaker 2Think they're going to beat Cincinnati, so I think it's a moot point.
It's more of a if Mike Sandford is right and they lose to Cincinnati, are they're certainly probably going to lose to the Eagles.
What happens then?
After those four losses in a row in England, to the Jets.
It's more like that.
But I don't think that's going to happen because I think they're going to beat Cincinnati.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean that's a lot of what IF's along the way, right, I mean, as of today, with the information that we have, this is a silly conversation.
If they lose to the Bengals, I would still say it's still a silly conversation to be had in the present tense now making assumptions that you're going to continue to lose games down the road.
I get where you're going, right, But in the present tense today, silly conversation and the present tense even if you lose the Bengals game, silly conversation.
Now if that full reality were an unfold and you lose four straight games, all right, I mean, yeah, we can probably have a conversation to the one.
Speaker 4Texture took Jared Goff a long time.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's what they said.
Actually, he went to the Super Bowl with the Rams.
Speaker 4His second year in the league.
With the Rams, he was eleven eleven and four as a starter.
Speaker 2That's pretty good.
Speaker 4Twenty eight touchdown, seven picks, led the league at twelve point nine yards per catch.
Speaker 2Yeah, and let's not forget it was a to kill a fuel nights of drinking in Cabo that got Sean McVay to, you know, get the wheels going after he was doing shots with Matthew Stafford.
That made that trade possible.
And by the way, I mean, Jared Goff was the number one number one, right.
Speaker 4Is third year in the league.
He was thirteen and three.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, and now he's a fifty million dollar quarterback on one of the coolest, hottest teams in the league with the coach of the team that's completely behind him.
I mean, you could make I see where you're going.
Did Jared Goff ever have a series of three bad games in a row like bow Knicks just well, his.
Speaker 4Rookie year, he did, see he didn't have as good a rule.
Speaker 2Ye, but as I call the seven gates, all right, well, you know, the rookie year's done for Bonnicks, that that thing is gone.
And hey, listen, what are the conversations in Houston right now for CJ.
Stroud?
Probably not great?
Speaker 3Huh well, this let's qualify that you're right, probably not great.
Be shocked if everybody's talking about benching him, I'd be shocked.
If there's anybody with the right mind that is talking about benching C J.
Stroud, Okay, I mean, would you agree with that I have.
I don't even know who their backup is.
I got no clue.
I don't know who their backup is.
I know who Davis, I know who the Broncos backup is.
All right, here's this.
This is gonna work, by the way, probo.
This is gonna be a pro bo thing.
Because people were saying bon Knicks is Drew Lock part two.
Well, here is why that was suggested.
Speaker 2Lock through twenty one starts, Knicks through twenty one starts pretty good sample size, right, twenty one starts pretty good?
Speaker 4Right?
Speaker 2All right?
Before I give you these numbers, who do you think has had a better twenty one starts with the Denver Broncos.
And why bon.
Speaker 3Nicks by far?
Because last year he took care of the football.
Speaker 4Yeah, let's say bow Knicks got to the playoffs.
Speaker 2Drew Lock passing yards four five hundred and thirteen, Bonnicks four hundred and fifty four.
So Drew actually had more passing yards passing touchdowns drew Lock twenty four, Bonnicks thirty five.
And here's the one that's probably Well, tell me what you think.
Interceptions eighteen for Drew Lock, so twenty four eighteen Bonicks fifteen thirty five to fifteen.
Speaker 3Yeah, but if we were just doing the rookie season, woe was BO twelve.
Speaker 2I have no idea.
We're just doing twenty one starts.
We're including all of it together.
Speaker 4Oka.
Speaker 2And finally, the completion percentage Drew Lock fifty eight point eight, Bnick sixty five percent, so better in touchdown interception ratio, slightly less yards, but that's not necessarily bad because you got more wins and completion percentage more efficient better so on the surface, Yeah, the answer is b nix.
Not by a ton, though, but but enough enough, but enough.
Speaker 5Well.
Speaker 4The one thing that Drew Lock didn't have that Bo did is Drew Lock had zero patience Bo.
Speaker 2Bo.
Speaker 4With a two yard pass on on third and five, you know he ain't gonna, the most part take tons of chances.
Drew Lock was gonna whenever he could.
He thought he had a guy downfield, he was doing he was throwing a downfield.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4So, and that's probably why there's a few more picks, because he he just didn't care.
I mean, he was looking to me, Drew Locks on one hand, while you love him, but on the other hand, why he's not ever going to be a true starter in the league for a long time.
It is because he's he's always always looking for the big play.
Yeah, that that hurts, But there's also a lot of intangibles that go into this thing.
Okay, Drew Lock was a child.
He was he was a child.
He was on the sideline.
He's being a goofball.
He's you know, I mean, you can you can have fun.
You know, he's doing his raps and and singing along and doing all that.
Bow Dex is a leader, right, and at least I think so.
And it sure appears that that bow is a good leader.
It appeared that way during training camp.
We we we brought that up multiple times.
Right, So there's intangibles the factor into this thing as well, and that's where the biggest differ.
Speaker 3For instance, I.
Speaker 4Said, during training camp, I thought bow knicks he never really had these great blow up days, and if he did, he never had two in a row.
Really, But he looked like an NFL starting quarterback.
He carried himself going to your leadership point right there, Tyler.
He looked like he had command of what's going on and we're they're gonna go.
I still think he's an emotional kid.
I still think he's young in this league.
I think they got a lot of props and a lot of respect last year.
I think there was a lot of articles being read and then your coach, which I firmly believe this.
I said it back then, I'm gonna say it now because now we're one and two.
It was the dumbest thing I've ever seen a coach do, basically going out there and throwing your second year quarterback as a top four player in the NFL can't do that.
That was That was a That was a That was an ego comment by a coach who's stuck by bow knicks, and there was a lot of detractors from for drafting Bone next to twelve.
That was an eagle comment.
I'm smart, new year, stupid, he's a top four player.
And I just feel man, because there was something a little bit different.
I just feel this that got the Bowl a little bit.
I think that added pressure.
This is the most pressure packed position in pro sports.
Might might be starting quarterback anyway, and you and you're gonna pile even more on there.
I thought that was just a dumb thing Sean did.
Speaker 2What did Sherif say to Nicholas Cajun monstruck.
Speaker 3Huh no, you don't love me?
Speaker 2Snap out of it?
Speaker 4Yeah, snap out of it.
Speaker 2And that's what I would say.
Whatever, whatever's going on, snap out of it.
Not to be a jerk here, but like, uh, crimea river on all of that, let's go, snap out of it.
Well, we didn't sign up for you to be the you know, worst quarterback by PFF standards or this sort of start.
I don't know if you're a team.
I have no idea what the chemistry is with bone Nicks behind the scenes, with his teammates.
They seem to like him.
They say good things about him, you know, as far as I can tell, we've been told that the couple of dust DUTs with him and Sean are just like because it's loud and we're just sort of hashing things out, all right.
I don't believe that I see bow mouthing.
You know, I've had so many chances on the sideline.
You've seen that video a million times.
All right, snap out of it, let's go.
I don't know how else to put it, but like how patient are you going to be with somebody in their second year?
If the rest of the team's pretty.
Speaker 3Good, patient, you're gonna be patient.
Speaker 4Patient.
Speaker 3There is not gonna be a rush to put bow Decks on the bench, and especially when Sean Payton is the coach.
So let's let's let's put that into context also here, right, Sean Payton doesn't want to be wrong.
He's not gonna be a rush to put his guy on the bench, and it's not the right thing.
I mean, look, Jared Stidham, I got it.
He I was fighting Scotty the whole preseason because I like Steady and he hated him, right and and I like it.
I respect him.
He's not a future, right, So if you're going to make a decision to move on for bow it's got to be because you think there's a legitimately better option.
Jared Staidham is a very capable quality backup quarterback in this league.
Nobody's talking about him being better than bow Nicks in the long run.
Speaker 2We'll get back to it a little bit.
I want to play a little bit of a prime who was on with the Kelsey's and.
Speaker 5Would I go back up Lamar for ten more years.
Speaker 4For sure.
Speaker 7I've never said on the bench and said, well I learned a lot today, would I go?
Speaker 2That was a lusty laugh from Jason Kelsey, wasn't it.
He really he got into that thing.
Here is a prime earlier today talking about Salter being better, you know, last week than he was at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 7Certainty, run, run, you're going throw throw Certainty not I don't know what I'm gonna do, running with a confidence like I'm running, not running, I'm gonna get hit.
He made up his mind to do what he needed to do, and he did it like whatever the Bible says, whatever your hands find the new doing with all you might.
Speaker 5And we're hoping that that we have.
Speaker 7A consistency and not just Kaitan, but everyone do it with everything you've got.
And I think you just seen a kid just hit another switch and say, I gotta get this together and I gotta play up to my ability.
Speaker 2Is it possible?
They actually do have a good team, and they just had a really really bad game against Houston, but that is an anomaly and they're actually a pretty good team.
Speaker 3Hmm, it's not a good team.
Are they as bad as they looked?
I don't know, man, who's not gonna look bad When you're rotating three quarterbacks, you got your third quarterback starting, you're not cemented there, that's not gonna look good.
I don't They're probably not as bad as it felt, but no, they're not a good team.
They got defensive issues.
They can't off the run, they can't run the ball.
Those are two very elementary, just fundamental basics of football that if you can't do those, I'm gonna have a hard time calling a good team.
Speaker 4Yeah, the No, they're not good.
Okay, I mean they're they're they're you know, what, what did you say about the NFL?
There's some really good teams and then there's some really funky teams, and there's these teams here in the middle.
I think they're in the lower half of the middle teams.
Speaker 2I'm trying to give them the benefit of doubt a little bit.
Well, george Georgia Tech is nationally ranked in four and oh right now, I mean Georgia.
Speaker 3Tech is They played Georgia Tech really well, right.
Speaker 2Like I'm trying to cut them a little slack here, Like, hey, I get it, you you ran right, guess.
Speaker 4What you got?
You got about three or four weeks in a row against ranked teams to.
Speaker 2Show us Yeah that's right, and well no, won't we.
Speaker 4And two of those three I think are at home right.
Speaker 2Oh man, schedule time, I mean State and then I'm driving to Blake but that's on the road for sure.
Speaker 3So BYU and I and I was stayed aur at home.
Speaker 2Well, hey, man, here we go round two with b yu.
Any everybody remember that last don't forget the Alamo?
Do you guys remember anything about that game?
Nothing?
Speaker 4I remember they got crushed.
Speaker 3I remember Ralphie was tiptoe.
That's all I remember.
I remember Ralphie's tiptoe.
Speaker 2All right, here's Brett Kane.
You have Brett.
I didn't know.
Look, I get it, Brett's from Nebraska whatever, and Brett and Sissy's a Kansas State fan, and that his wife's a Nebraska fan.
But I'm like, how long you got to live here in the state to understand how awesome Ralphie is.
I have actually never literally heard anybody like sort of down talk Ralphie and not being to Ralphie.
That was stunning to me that somebody was so little impressed with it.
And we can all say Ralphie six sucked.
I mean, well, what do you want to say about Ralphie six?
Speaker 4Yeah, the last one last year's enjoy retirement.
Yeah good, yeah.
Speaker 2Lucky, it's not good.
Here's here's kaner ripping on Ralphie.
Speaker 8Deon's enthusiasm about the animal matched mine in that answer, He's like.
Speaker 4What is it?
Speaker 2Well, then she yeah, she ran.
Speaker 3Then I've got her.
She ran, I've got enough for all of us.
Then, dude, because it's a big deal, let me tell you.
Speaker 2Let me tell you something.
Speaker 8We walked in here Monday before the show started.
It's like six fifty eight and there was something so it was like, most of you, did you catch the Buffs game?
And I said, of course, And he said, she ran.
Bro It's the first thing he said to me.
And I'm like, I'm trying to imagine, like, if you're in Athens, Georgia and somebody else you catch that Dog's game last night and it's like yeah, and then they go, I'll get took a dump on the sideline.
Speaker 2If it's the first thing that's mentioned, I got news for you.
That game took place a few days ago.
Speaker 6My last team memory of that game will not be any of the plays no.
Speaker 5Credit.
Speaker 6My memory of that game will be those two handlers face planning when Ralphie made the turn back towards.
Speaker 2All right, so I agree with Vick and mos By the way, my enthusiasm for Ralphie was off the charts.
Kyner's is not into Ralphie.
Speaker 4He's not famliar.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's a dumb take.
Ralphie is the single greatest mascot entrance in college field.
Speaker 4You ain't seeing LSU spent their tiger down the field.
Speaker 3It is something greatest mascot entrance in college football.
Speaker 2Yeah, A simple as that.
Now, now Prime is not into Ralphie.
That's pretty clear.
Prime ain't into Ralphie.
Speaker 3I think Prime is scared of Ralphie.
Speaker 2I agree, this isn't Prime's hump.
Ralphie is not Prime hump.
Prime after the game had to be made aware that Ralphie is a female like Prime just is not into the Ralphie stuff.
But Kaner Bill, what does it say when listen?
Speaker 4I will say this if he is honest State, if he's honestly a K State fan and I grew up in Kansas.
He's the only fan of K State I've ever known that didn't go to school there.
If you had to school there, they are hardcore.
I've got two or three good buddies that went there, hardcore, hardcore Wildcat fans.
But if you didn't go to school there.
Speaker 2No, I don't know anybody, But how do you not appreciate Ralphie?
Speaker 3All I know is I watched those two runs about fifteen different times each, and they were exhilarating.
Speaker 2My mascot is a stoner in an orange costume.
Talk about being embarrassed by your mascot.
Trust me, the worst thing about Syracuse is the whole orange thing.
And the alternate nickname is the Saltine Warrior, another ridiculous thing.
I'm humiliated by the nickname and all the other Syracuse stuff like that, Ralphie.
Speaker 4So what what a saltine Warrior?
Speaker 1Do you?
Speaker 4Guys?
Serve sardines there?
Speaker 2Colors used to be pink and green.
Who knows what was going on in the eighteen hundreds, brother, I have no idea, like colleges get some bad things in there.
No Warrior, it's I don't know.
It's the Salt City Syracuse because there's big salt deposits they used to mine in like a thousand years ago, So the Salteene Warriors.
Somebody that mind salt, trust me, it's stupid.
And I got to live with that.
I down here to Colorado and saw Ralphie in the fall of ninety nine.
When I first became aware of it, it was like, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life.
And if Ugga is taking a dump on the sidelines, you know, and Bevo just stands there with the big stupid horns not doing nothing.
Nobody has a mascot like CEU Tiger.
They don't take the Tiger for a jog.
Well what else you want to keep going somewhere out?
Speaker 3Oh, I mean, it's literally the single greatest center it's in college football from a mascot.
Speaker 2And the fact that they didn't and they had lazy Ralphie that, you know, well, I'm saying it should be a rug.
I mean, you know, it's pretty funny.
Whatever you want to do with Ralphie six is five by me.
I think he just you know, Ralphie six just got like.
Speaker 4Hey, Rafie six.
They should have had like a tent and a barbecue going and after you get done, you know, paying homage to Ralphie six right there and eat a bunch of Buffalo Burgers.
Speaker 2On parents weekend in front of at the time, and they all left.
By the way.
I talked to my kid, because where were you at eleven o'clock?
Because did you see the videos?
Like the student section was just empty in the fourth quarter?
I go, where were you at eleven oh six?
It goes at a house party down the street they did.
The students did.
Speaker 4Scadatle so they really don't care.
Speaker 3But that's a little sad thing too.
It has not been like that.
I wonder if that was about the game, about the score, because those night games have been phenomenal up there.
Speaker 2Yeah, well you know what they did stick around for and got everybody going.
I swear to god, we were all talking about it.
The whole talk the whole weekend was about Ralphie seven being back, and it was awesome.
It's the first time I've ever heard somebody like, rip.
Speaker 3On, Ralphie, What the hell is Cam the Ram doing.
Speaker 2Cam the Ram is about to give Jane Norvilla's walking paper.
So if you can't figure it out here against Washington State, that's what Cam the Ram's doing.
Washington State ain't a good team.
You get blown out by them or something.
Did you see how CSU blew the game last weekend?
Speaker 4Again?
Speaker 2Another one you didn't catch it.
They kick an extra point tie the game, there's a penalty, they go for two, don't get it and lose by a point.
Yeah, that's where Jane nor Bell's going.
And they, by the way, they benched the six hundred thousand dollars man.
I did see that, right, you see that?
So six hundred thousand dollars man just got benched.
Speaker 4That thing talk.
Speaker 3About dollar man, So yeah, I don't have about room to talk.
Speaker 2Good point.
Peyton Manning on the Manning Cast has five rule changes.
You'll hear them and see what he suggests coming up next.
All right, we're gonna get to Peyton Manning on the Many Cast in here in a second.
We too have Prime.
Prime was asked about the students leaving in the third quarter.
Oh yeah, yeah, and his answer is, actually, you know, I actually am signing with Prime on this.
Go ahead, Dan, you love.
Speaker 5That to happen, because when they're leaving, what does that mean?
Speaker 4Games out of hand?
Speaker 5That means the game is over.
They going to party.
Speaker 4I'm cool with that.
Speaker 7They're right down the corner on what what street is that down there?
No, not Pearl Street on the hill, that's what it is.
It's cool.
I know where it at, so I don't mind him empty.
And you got to understand it his family weekend as well, so a lot of the older family members probably said, Okay, let's go home money and they wanted to get out of there.
Speaker 5But we're we're winning.
That means we're winning.
Speaker 3Yeah, And all I'm telling you, I think you guys been watching these games on TV.
I've been to a handful of these night games.
There has not been an exodus in the second half.
There has not been.
Yeah, I mean, it has been a thrillian environment.
So you know, I really do think it was because of the game.
Speaker 4Yeah, well in Paris weekend.
So now mom and dad left and hey, they finally gone, let's go let's go party.
Speaker 2There you go exactly like I said, I texted my kid, were you at eleven o'clock?
He goes is at a party?
I mean, I'm laughing because prime is a thousand percent right.
And I told you guys, all I saw on the hill that whole day were the parents drinking with the kids.
I mean, everybody's kind of a little you know, home sort of whatever, and the game was out of hand.
Prime, I got you back on that, brother, I am.
We'll see against BYU.
Right, It's probably gonna be a closer game, you would hope, right, And the parents aren't going to be around.
So Prime is knocking out of the park.
So props to Prime on that.
I don't think there's anything to worry about.
I think that's exactly what it was, Okay, Peyton Manning on the man Manning cast.
Speaker 3I keep forgetting to watch it.
I literally just don't.
It doesn't even enter my mind anymore.
Speaker 2They are doing such a better job with it because in the past when they would bring a guest on, it was a little.
Speaker 4James too long.
Sometimes they really.
Speaker 2Got it dialed in way better.
Who is the actor in Dumb and Dumber.
Not Jim Carrey, Not Jim Carrey.
Jeff Jeff Daniels.
Speaker 3One of the best actors ever, A great.
Speaker 2Actor, lot, lifelong Lions fan, like high school football guy in the Detroit area, just some huge Lions fan.
He was great.
Speaker 4I was on the Dais once with Jeff.
No time for a roast.
It was a roast of Chuck Dailey to raise money for something Detroit in Detroit, and so Jeff was on there.
That's why first Manning.
Speaker 2He was great.
Then they brought on Daniel Jones, who has the he's a doorknob, he has no person, nothing, But they had fun with him because they had a lot of funny photos and different things.
They had a photo of him being interviewed and Eli like putting his shoes on because Eli was getting pushed out the door for Daniel Jones in New York.
That was pretty funny.
And Daniel Jones had a fathead of Eli and Peyton in his bedroom like when he was a little kid.
How about that, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 3What is Brian Dable thinking right now seeing Daniel Jones?
What is he thinking?
Speaker 2Good question?
And finally they had Michael Phelpson, who is a guar gange.
He was teaching Ravens players how to swim, like they did a whole thing because a lot of football guys have never learned how to swim in their life.
And you know, I don't know, man, they really figured it out anyway.
Part of it is Peyton wanted five new rules.
Okay, now a couple of them are just goofy, but a couple of them were serious.
Dan, you have the audio of rule number one.
Speaker 6Rule number one intercepted, hail Mary shouldn't count against quarterbacks at the end of the half.
Hail Mary throws at the end of the first should it should be a team interception?
Speaker 2Okay, this is like the NBA.
Do you agree or disagree with it?
Speaker 4I don't disagree with it.
Speaker 2He then Eli said what if they catch it?
He goes baby, was like, oh, that should count.
But like in the NBA, if they hit the shot.
Speaker 4You get there, the shot attempt and the field goal made they do well, they count as a shot made to shot attempt, so it.
Speaker 2Only is a no.
Speaker 3But they changed it.
It's not going to be a shot attempted anymore.
Speaker 4Not not.
Speaker 3But if you make it, it will Okay.
Speaker 4That is awesome because the points the points still count if it goes in.
Okay, So it's a shot shot attempt to shot made, you get the points.
Speaker 3So it's just a total freebie.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's and what he's saying, So should.
Speaker 3I actually absolutely agree interceptions should not count against cord All.
Speaker 2Right, listen to the second one.
Here, go ahead.
This is a little trickier, but go ahead.
Speaker 6Number two, fall start off shot equity within the ten yard line.
If you're on the one yard line, the offense fall starts, they go back to a six yard line.
The very next play, the defense jumps off sides.
They only go back half the distance of the three yard line.
The offense is entitled to get those five yards back.
That rule makes no sense.
Offensive dumb dumb five yards back, defensive dumb dumb.
I want those five yards back.
Speaker 3You know what, I'm a dumb dumb because I've never even thought about that one in a man?
Is he right?
Speaker 6Right?
Speaker 3Holy cow?
Is he right?
Speaker 2That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3That has never even entered my mind.
That that is not the That doesn't equate.
Speaker 2Right, easy one, right, yeah, all right?
Moving on number three.
Speaker 6Number three, targets should not be an official statistic.
Targets are one of the biggest reasons wide receivers get angry with quarterbacks.
They should be outlawed.
How do people know who I was throwing to when the ball was battered or I was throwing it away?
How does some Stetisian know who the quarterback was targeting?
They don't.
Let's get rid of targets.
Speaker 3I disagreebed that one wit.
I mean that that that it's just pure quarterback ego driven.
Speaker 4Okay, I'm okay with that because I think the targeting thing all came up because of fans and football.
Speaker 2I think the amount of balls that are deflected or it's nebulous who it's going to is pretty low.
I mean, you know, in genda, I mean, if.
Speaker 3You want to make a rule that a batted ball, you can't make an official target.
Speaker 2Yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 3Can talk about that.
That makes more sense, but yeah, you can't get rid of targets.
Speaker 2He doesn't like you, believe me.
Speaker 3Believe me.
The wide receivers, they don't need to look at a statue to know how many targets they got.
Speaker 4Okay, so why have this statue?
Speaker 2The last couple are a little goofy, a lot of goofy, go ahead number four.
Speaker 6Number four bat and ball should be illegal.
They should be banned.
Nobody comes to a football game home to see someone batten down a pass.
It's lazy by the defensive lineman.
It means his pass rush didn't work.
It should be an automatic replay the down, dude.
Speaker 3It nothing ticks off the offensive lineman more than a battered ball because he's right.
Do you know how frustrated it is to block this due perfectly, to be perfectly engaged to stonewall him, and all of a sudden he just throws his hand up there and he bats the ball, and then bone Nicks goes three quarter and and throws it out too late and gets batted down like he did three.
Bone's got a problem with it, he does BOE's got.
He's got a real problem with bad at ball.
Speaker 2We could call this the Shelby Harris rule, because Shelby's made a career just doing this.
Speaker 3One guy, I'm just gonna ask you to think this thing through.
Okay, I bet you can get to it all right.
As an offensive lineman, what do you think we are taught to do when a defensive lineman jumps to bat a ball.
Speaker 4I was told that you hit him right in the gut nuts somethinghere like that.
Speaker 3That's option number one.
You go below the pads and you punch him right in the belly.
Because what do you do when you get punched the belly?
You pull your hands down and you grab your belly right.
That's option one.
What's option two?
Speaker 4I wouldn't know the charge him knocking on their ass.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Option two is less fun.
But option two is you grab him by the shoulder pads and you yank him down.
That's not holding well, it's never getting called if your hands are within the within the chest.
Speaker 2All right, Last one, real quick, and this is really good if you go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 6Last one.
Number five.
Cash payments on the field for late hits.
When a hit on the quarterback is going to result and a fine for the defensive player, there should be a cash payment on the field.
The defensive player has to go get the actual cash from the sideline in a briefcase and physically handed to the quarterback.
It would eliminate those type of plays because of the public embarrassment by the defensive player.
Right now, you lie.
It's kind of a payroll of the dunk type thing.
Doesn't have that effect that a public payment would have.
So you lie.
You like this rule, And who's calling the commissioner?
You want to call him or you want me to.
Speaker 2And there you go having some fun.
But it'd be funny if you just saw the suitcase of cash and just.
Speaker 3You know, here you go, it's pulling out of your ass.
Speaker 2That'd be pretty funny.
All right there you go.
Fun stuff.
A couple of serious ones there that are kind of cool.
I really like the false start off side's equity.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Never thought of that in million years now, it's a good one, makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4And the hell Mary one, I'm telling you, it's like he's an NBA fan and he saw the NBA made that change.
That's probably where he came up with it.
Speaker 2Okay, we'll go around the NFL coming up next.