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[SPEAKER_17]: And won't that be nice for all of us?

[SPEAKER_09]: And you know, I'll still be grinding.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because, um, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's no rule.

[SPEAKER_09]: I came out of the grave.

[SPEAKER_09]: Wait, what do you come out of?

[SPEAKER_09]: How do you give?

[SPEAKER_09]: How does life happen?

[SPEAKER_09]: I came out of the womb grinding.

[SPEAKER_17]: I came out of the grave woman.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_17]: We'll be back.

[SPEAKER_17]: But until we do come back, I want to say, hey, good.

[SPEAKER_13]: Happy Christmas.

[SPEAKER_17]: Happy Christmas to all of you out there.

[SPEAKER_17]: Today, once again, we're going to be talking about from season three.

[SPEAKER_17]: of Madman, episode 13, the season finale, shut the door, have a seat.

[SPEAKER_09]: I've had a nickel for every time I heard that phrase.

[SPEAKER_17]: I know how many times has that happened in this episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's like a whole episode about shutting the door and having a seat.

[SPEAKER_17]: And in my case, it was never to say like, hey, you're hired for a new job.

[SPEAKER_17]: No one has ever asked someone to shut the door and have a seat without either being fired or being divorced.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that is how it goes And today actually the one time my favorite time that that happened was coming out of a writing workshop in grad school it was like I think it was like 11 girls and then me and then the professor was also a man and I was going into my conference like you know after the class was over and he's like [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, have a seat, shut the door, and it's inside, shut the door.

[SPEAKER_09]: He cut the biggest fart.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he was like, and he was like a seven year old British man.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Look at that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Well, occasionally, those happen in positive ways.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that was the best, take a seat and shut the door experiences.

[SPEAKER_17]: Absolutely, but not in this episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: However, we do want to wish a hearty, shut the door and have a seat to our guests a returning [SPEAKER_17]: pod yourself champion a comedian you've seen her everywhere including comedy central ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome back to the podcast Katrina Davies hello thank you so much for having me thank you for coming back it is always good to see you Katrina it is marvelous to talk TV shows with you [SPEAKER_15]: I was about to say, always a pleasure to go back to a time where...

A simpler time, right?

[SPEAKER_15]: My second class citizenship was right in the forefront.

[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know, listen.

[SPEAKER_17]: Were there some bad things about the 60's sure, but you know what else there was?

[SPEAKER_17]: America.

[SPEAKER_17]: Liquor.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, camera.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was catching up to this one and I was like, I want to know who they had on for the Blackface episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, I believe we had a, uh, white lady on, I don't know if it was that cat.

[SPEAKER_17]: Maybe it was cat's episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: I do not remember who's episode that was.

[SPEAKER_17]: I remember actually specifically thinking I was like, for this episode, you know, who should I get?

[SPEAKER_17]: And I was like, if I, if I ask, [SPEAKER_17]: one of my black comedian friends to be on this episode will that be seen as weird and I thought myself out of it and eventually said you know we'll just let we'll just let scheduling do it's thing let the chips fall where they may that's what i say you can't be racist if you don't know a color the chips are um i don't see scheduling yeah yeah yeah yeah either do i i every [SPEAKER_17]: It was Amy yes, but I cannot wait to DM her about it it was a fun one, but I'm glad we got you on for this one It is the season finale episode a very special episode But before we talk about it we first need to ask you the question we ask all of our guests What's your favorite advertisement?

[SPEAKER_15]: Right now, I am really into, I don't know if either of you happen to see the D-pop commercial?

[SPEAKER_17]: No, D-pop.

[SPEAKER_15]: Or selling your clothes?

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, am I saying, is it D-pop?

[SPEAKER_15]: No, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: I never had an artist commercial.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, well, it's a app.

[SPEAKER_15]: or I guess app and site, but mostly an app where you can sell your gently-used items to other people who want them.

[SPEAKER_15]: And it is a very fun commercial to watch because this man basically like clicks and on selling his sweater and is immediately like joint.

[SPEAKER_15]: in like a very aggressive choreography through a bunch of spaces to the woman that is buying the sweater and all the yarn is like trailing off of him onto her as he's like flying through all these places.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I like it.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's like where taste recognizes taste.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's what I'm doing.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, that's basically like people want your clothes at some like weird tagline at the end, but [SPEAKER_15]: I like it visually, they use a fleet foxes song so they're aggressively targeting Millennials and and at the end I just I've always in my apartment by myself watching it and I finally watched it with my friend that's staying with me and I was like watch this commercial with me and watch the very end and at the very end he's like in front of the woman and the sweaters on her but they look [SPEAKER_15]: So badly like the energy is out of control, and so I feel like it's really got everything I love that It's awesome all commercials is people looking like they're about to have sex Yes, this is a product [SPEAKER_15]: it was it is like oh yeah selling clothes cute song and then it's like i'm sorry you can't leave me with this level of sexual tension and just have shops come back on like what is going on i'm not was not ready i love that i love a uh a sexual tension in an ad i love sex you know you don't see a lot of sex and ads anymore or maybe you do [SPEAKER_17]: I maybe I just don't watch ads anymore.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, they tell me what city I am in and they ask if I want a fucking ugly woman That's right like an age-generated picture of yes those are the porn ads are so funny We're gonna say what are you being fed?

[SPEAKER_09]: They're just like banking on you being really pathetic where they're like tired of jacking off fuck a hog right now [SPEAKER_15]: The hog is also a.

I.

I.

I latches on.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I do love the ads on porn websites that are like make your own dream woman and the woman that they've chosen for the ad is just like a straight up cartoon of lowest from family guy and you're just like wait.

[SPEAKER_17]: Why is that anyone's dream woman?

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's just to normalize it's because they know they're already gonna get every guy that would imagine a woman That's for the one guy that just wanted Lewis and he's like, see I told you Yeah, I'm not weird Um, yeah, either that or it's like, Gunners just keep scooning Yeah, Gunners keep skewing the algorithm Yeah, yeah, they're fucking it up for the rest of us some of us just want to watch two people make love And the Gunners have turned all of Bornhub into and to just trash [SPEAKER_17]: Um, but this is not a podcast about porn, although that'd be fun.

[SPEAKER_17]: No, this is a podcast about Mad Men, and we of course cannot start the podcast without first playing the theme song.

[SPEAKER_12]: Mad, man.

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[SPEAKER_17]: Jump the door have a seat and Vince can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?

[SPEAKER_09]: With another sale on the horizon, Sterling Cooper and Draper convince Lane Price to fire them and join them as they start up a new advertising firm.

[SPEAKER_17]: At home, Betty follows through with her plans to divorce Dawn.

[SPEAKER_17]: Vince, what was happening at the time, the date that this episode was set in?

[SPEAKER_09]: I think you mean the exact date that this episode takes place on because you made sure that that's what I was going to use.

[SPEAKER_09]: I sure did, because of this segment.

[SPEAKER_17]: Because of the last episode in which we did the whole Kennedy assassination, you decided to choose a random day.

[SPEAKER_09]: What do you want me to do, tell you that the Kennedy assassination happened?

[SPEAKER_09]: I guess they don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: I guess they don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just going to be some Warren Commission propaganda.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's true.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_09]: So today, the episode is set, uh, well, let's say what the segment is first.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, that's the news.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like my ass, but that's all street journal.

[SPEAKER_04]: There is no big lie.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no system.

[SPEAKER_04]: The universe is indifferent.

[SPEAKER_09]: Last news, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_09]: That's right, we are going all the way back to December 13th, 1963.

[SPEAKER_09]: There were some crazy stuff that happened on this day.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and to be clear, this is a date that was said in the episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: We'll live on an infant.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_17]: What were you going to say?

[SPEAKER_17]: No, no, Roger Sterling, when they all agreed to sell or they all agreed to get fired by Lane.

[SPEAKER_17]: He says December 13th, 1963, the day where we all shot our own legs off or something like that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I was just excited to that.

[SPEAKER_17]: There was a date so we could do the news machine with them.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_09]: This was apparently the week that Frank Sinatra Junior was kidnapped.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: What?

[SPEAKER_09]: Remember that story?

[SPEAKER_17]: No, Katrina don't know this baby blue eyes.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, his son.

[SPEAKER_09]: His son baby boy.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, well, yeah, baby blue Yeah, I get it now.

[SPEAKER_17]: I can I was right you were wrong.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's right.

[SPEAKER_17]: I didn't know he was kidnapped How old was he?

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he was in his 20s, oh 19-year-old.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sir, I'll just read the story because it's right here.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_09]: Obductors of singer fled before alarm.

[SPEAKER_09]: FBI's veil of secrecy.

[SPEAKER_09]: Frank Sinatra Jr.

was spirited out of the Lake Tahoe area immediately after his abduction Sunday night it was learned yesterday.

[SPEAKER_09]: The 19-year-old youth taken at gunpoint from his state line motel was locked in the trunk of a car driven by one man and followed by another auto-containing two other man.

[SPEAKER_17]: What the fuck?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yo!

[SPEAKER_17]: Is was this like...

And who did it?

[SPEAKER_09]: Was it?

[SPEAKER_09]: These two doofuses.

[SPEAKER_09]: There was like a whole podcast about it that I listened to, but I actually don't remember every single one.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh yeah, like, were they doing it for ransom?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they were doing it for ransom, but also, like, kind of for fun.

[SPEAKER_09]: Was it?

[SPEAKER_17]: Just for fun, Z.

I mean, yeah, that does sound fun.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm not gonna lie, but like, was it in, or like, was this revenge for killing Kennedy?

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I don't think, you know, I think it was just for fun and profit.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's what I do everything for.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I guess that's like, is that anywhere new?

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, I guess the getty one would have been later.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, all of these, all of these young men being kidnapped.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, this is before Patty Hearst, too.

[SPEAKER_17]: There's not a lot of kidnapping now that are happening.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like, I feel like there was a time.

[SPEAKER_09]: Not enough.

[SPEAKER_09]: We should have more kidnapping.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, bring it back.

[SPEAKER_17]: There was like a Renaissance period of like, you know, two decades where people were just kidnapping people and it was fun.

[SPEAKER_17]: Everyone was, everyone was having a good time.

[SPEAKER_15]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_15]: I don't think we have the patience for it anymore because that guy tried to kidnap Nasty Nancy Pelosi's husband.

[SPEAKER_15]: He just hit him in the head with a hammer.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I don't think we have It's talk.

[SPEAKER_17]: Everyone's got ADHD Yeah, like I don't have time for this kidnapping.

[SPEAKER_15]: Just die.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know But someone someone did steal Lady Gaga's French Bulldogs that we freak at less Well, I forgot about that.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's true, but that's not people do dog nap still.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah It's like it's gone down to dogs people will kill Nappy a dog [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that's interesting.

[SPEAKER_17]: We're now, I mean, talk about like how you know a society is crumbling is when people are like, well, people aren't paying for their kids anymore, but they might pay for this dog.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, that's why you don't push it in a stroller.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's weird.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're just asking.

[SPEAKER_15]: The first one was just an accident.

[SPEAKER_15]: The first dog napping was someone who thought it was a baby.

[SPEAKER_15]: And they were like, well, I guess I'll work with this.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Excellent.

[SPEAKER_17]: We got this Selena Jolie's dog.

[SPEAKER_17]: All right, fine.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_09]: They drove straight through to Southern California.

[SPEAKER_09]: They are believed to have driven over Luther Pass into Alpine County and then into Nevada and South on US 395.

[SPEAKER_09]: There is a question in the minds of investigators on whether the kidnapped cars pass through road blocks set up on all escape routes or slipped out of the area before the blocks were established.

[SPEAKER_09]: Very fascinating.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was going to say they made it pretty far, but they were already trying to catch them.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_17]: I only know Frank Sinatra Jr.

from the Sepronos.

[SPEAKER_17]: I guess I assumed a person named Frank Sinatra Jr.

existed before then, but when I saw him, he's in a couple episodes, one in which he is playing poker.

[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, I think it was the game that got robbed too.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then the other time was he saying it, um, Johnny sex daughter's wedding.

[SPEAKER_17]: Do you remember what he was singing Vince?

[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, don't remember what he was saying.

[SPEAKER_17]: The bride cuts the cake.

[SPEAKER_16]: The bride cuts the cake.

[SPEAKER_16]: Hi, hold the mario the bride cuts the cake.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's the Dario, but sure.

[SPEAKER_16]: Is that a song?

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah, he's 11 singing that way.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, I guess I'd Italian weddings.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: You'd have to have been seas Italian.

[SPEAKER_17]: What's that?

[SPEAKER_09]: Is that a song?

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know that song.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not Italian enough to be familiar with that unbelievable being a song, I guess.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, is it highhold of the Darryo or highwood of the Mario, I think it's Darryo.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he said, don't ask me what either of them mean.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think he said Mario because he was thinking about like his friend, Mario and Luigi.

[SPEAKER_17]: Mario Battale.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, other news.

[SPEAKER_09]: you know some of these some of these stories are like things that are really like precious and like oh this is the first time that this happened and that we're still dealing with it today other ones are like shit you haven't heard about since the day that they were reported okay um this is kind of the second one uh this is a headline back to the dart gun [SPEAKER_09]: The defense department is developing a rifle that shoots darts.

[SPEAKER_09]: A top Pentagon expert said yesterday that the darts only in inch long and about the thickness of pencil lid are capable of inflicting a wound almost a severe as that caused by a dumb dumb bullet.

[SPEAKER_17]: I guess I don't know what a dumb dumb bull it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think it just sort of like fragments when it hits you or like it expands or something.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like a whole point?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but it's different.

[SPEAKER_09]: Defense experts believe the darts are not banned under the Geneva Convention against dumb dumb bullets.

[SPEAKER_09]: Although gaping, the wound bay inflict is not as deep they said.

[SPEAKER_15]: What the fuck is this?

[SPEAKER_15]: Because that's what I was going to say if it expands, that makes like a bigger hole in you.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, but no, they were basically like new Geneva convention loophole question mark.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, let's see Weird just going through the Geneva conventions and going like okay, we can't torture them, but can we Blow up little bits of their skin [SPEAKER_09]: The darts have little fins that keep them stabilized in flight, but when they strike flesh they turn end over and into the wound.

[SPEAKER_09]: The early results were obtained in a project known as Special Purpose Individual Weapons.

[SPEAKER_09]: The darts were said to be propelled from an explosive cartridge like a bullet, but to travel at a slower speed.

[SPEAKER_09]: Quote, the weapon could be used as both a rifle and shoulder-fired grenade launcher at the army said.

[SPEAKER_09]: Fully loaded, it is expected to weigh no more than the current M-14 rifle, and will significantly increase the effectiveness of the combat soldier.

[SPEAKER_17]: That is really funny, because just like what have we made a funnier looking bullet?

[SPEAKER_15]: And also it can be a grenade launcher.

[SPEAKER_15]: I don't like I can upgrade in the same.

[SPEAKER_15]: Don't worry.

[SPEAKER_15]: This won't even kill you or you could add this attachment and shoots grenade You know for if you just feel like I don't want to kill all those guys with one button You're gonna do it really easily You could not kill one guy or you could totally kill a bunch of guys exactly same gun.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's your choice [SPEAKER_09]: The British still do this, but back in 1963, American newspapers apparently had like a random photo of a hot chick section still.

[SPEAKER_09]: Really?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, this is from the San Francisco Examiner headline, Elka in the flesh.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the picture of her is like just in a sweater, like not at all.

[SPEAKER_15]: She's not even in a bikini.

[SPEAKER_15]: It's just literally like for due to living the small towns being like, hey, there's shit's this hot, just so you know Yeah, yeah, she's laying on the grass in a sweater like okay just so you'll know Deborah I could move out of here any time I wanted and meet someone like Alka [SPEAKER_15]: Go lay in the grass with alcohol, she's like, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_17]: There's other women in this world, Deborah.

[SPEAKER_17]: We have four children.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, well, I bet she could raise her.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so, so, good.

[SPEAKER_09]: Elka summer, a German born actress flew 6,000 miles with three trunks of clothes to play a nude in a movie, a shot in the dark.

[SPEAKER_09]: Quote, I don't act completely in the bear, she says.

[SPEAKER_09]: She wears a costume quote, briefer than a bikini after being chased into a nudist camp.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is not naked, but you can't imagine it.

[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_15]: This is her fully closed, but everything else she does almost naked.

[SPEAKER_09]: Hey, yeah, does that guy could really imagine?

[SPEAKER_15]: That would it should be called just imagine.

[SPEAKER_17]: Does that skin go all the way around your body?

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I certainly hope so.

[SPEAKER_17]: Does that sweat a stop at your booth?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: You lift it up and it's just straight bare muscle.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, no!

[SPEAKER_17]: I thought...

[SPEAKER_17]: That's what I asked that question, you know, hypothetically, I mean, you know, it's an arbitrate, what's the name of a question that you don't mean to be answered?

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm a rhetorical.

[SPEAKER_17]: Retort that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Retort that.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's the one.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, so silly.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, next story, a year of mourning for Jackie, Mrs.

John F.

Kennedy plans to observe a one-year period of mourning for Slain Husband and will have no public engagements during that time.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was announced yesterday.

[SPEAKER_09]: Wait, you mean she's not going to have a rally where she goes on stage with like fireworks and, uh, and like just Jackie crying and leather pants.

[SPEAKER_17]: Just putting like saline in her eyes so it drips more giving deep hugs to the vice-president Running your face all day's hair.

[SPEAKER_15]: Just rubbing the back of his bald head.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, don't tell Lady Bird Don't tell Lady Bird.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm doing this [SPEAKER_09]: She will continue to wear black during the year.

[SPEAKER_09]: Pamela, sorry, Pamela turned her her press secretary, said Mrs.

Kennedy did not plan to make any public appearances thus ending speculation that she might campaign for her husband's successor, President Johnson.

[SPEAKER_17]: Man, so wait, when did she become O'Nassus?

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, she married that guy.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_09]: When was that?

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: 70s?

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, and didn't think the honestly of 90s.

[SPEAKER_17]: Did people hate her for that?

[SPEAKER_15]: Was that a thing where everyone was- I was gonna say it was like the 360s six day.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_17]: That could be a good thing.

[SPEAKER_17]: Well, I've done my morning period.

[SPEAKER_17]: I feel like I'm doing a good impression of her, but I'm probably- She has a very strange voice.

[SPEAKER_09]: Does she?

[SPEAKER_17]: Like, she would say bird, a bird, right?

[SPEAKER_17]: It's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's like a weird finishing school, have a reality mixed with like, Tony New England.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's very strange.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is Kennedy and her two youngsters, Caroline, six and John Junior, three will spend Christmas holidays in Palm Beach, Florida, as they had planned when the president was alive.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, good for them.

[SPEAKER_09]: I hope the work's out all right for him.

[SPEAKER_15]: I hope a none of them dying to play in crash They got married five years after or she got married five is ten five is that feels for so cool Yeah, no, that's plenty of being breathing room.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I mean he's dead not her exactly She got a live [SPEAKER_17]: with oh NASA's I don't know how we would have felt about it being a Greek but you know who knows uh Greeks are not white that's what he would have said.

[SPEAKER_15]: I told you if you're going to break your heart just like they smashed those plates on the floor Yeah, he's going to break your heart and say, well spa But also YouTube talking about his voice and her voice is like, what did that house sound like?

[SPEAKER_15]: It's so weird Jackie odd She's like, who I have hollow bones?

[SPEAKER_15]: I'm just imagining her like the girlfriend from 30 Rocks Yeah, hollow bones Yes, she has a bones Yes [SPEAKER_09]: Finally, headline, the prince opens up Prince William of Gloucester held a formal press conference yesterday at Stanford University and thus shattered another favorite tradition of the British royal family.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, this whole episode is a lot of, you know, there's a bit of, we have the new world and the old world.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're trying to understand each other.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is all about, with unruffled candor, he expressed his views on everything from the [SPEAKER_09]: I'd heard such things happen in the United States to whether the girls are as pretty as England's.

[SPEAKER_09]: I should think so, yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: In England, women aren't necessarily pretty, so much as they are, um, domestic slaves.

[SPEAKER_17]: The sexual prisoners who we keep in our pocket can't, less we need them.

[SPEAKER_17]: This is my, this is my new accent I'm doing right now.

[SPEAKER_09]: the 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I will.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'll watch it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I actually don't really know much about it other than that.

[SPEAKER_09]: It like made him loopy.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I think they had treatments for it by this point.

[SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, the 21-year-old grad student doesn't regard himself as a royal non-conformist.

[SPEAKER_09]: He was just trying to be fair to other Bay area newspapers after, okay, we're going to tap pat ourselves on the back for getting an exclusive last week.

[SPEAKER_09]: Good job.

[SPEAKER_09]: The first British royal prince to attend a school in the United States.

[SPEAKER_09]: William is finding his classes a bit tougher than perhaps he expected.

[SPEAKER_17]: What, what school did he go to, Stanford?

[SPEAKER_17]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_17]: The American.

[SPEAKER_17]: It'd be very funny if it was like San Francisco State.

[SPEAKER_09]: Arizona's the ASU.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's very easy.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'll make sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: She goes!

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go wild cats.

[SPEAKER_09]: The American student he said is slightly more dedicated than those he roomed with at Magdalene College of Cambridge University.

[SPEAKER_09]: His dormitory room, which he described as Spartan, is more expensive and less comfortable than his two room-sweeted Cambridge.

[SPEAKER_09]: Cost of attending Stanford, he said, are two to three times as high.

[SPEAKER_16]: The prince is set by roommate Auturo, sells me cocaine!

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm going to a kega later and I expect to have sexual relations.

[SPEAKER_17]: I will say those bumps make you terribly chipper.

[SPEAKER_17]: I smoked out of a five foot bone.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day.

[SPEAKER_09]: wearing brown suede boots, a tweet sports coat, and a blue black tie, the print-sipped coffee, while about 20 newsmen questioned him about his reaction to the Snottercase.

[SPEAKER_09]: He answered, possibly there are more people in the United States willing to pay out money readily.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think on the whole, we're less violent, other remarks, on Oswald's murder.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like everyone else, I was most surprised this sort of thing could happen.

[SPEAKER_09]: On his friends, we talk about the normal things students talk about politics, religion, and sex.

[SPEAKER_17]: And the women that we keep as sexual prisoners in our basements, I'm sorry, I don't know why.

[SPEAKER_13]: Do I stop bringing that up?

[SPEAKER_13]: Have you met my friend Jeffrey?

[SPEAKER_13]: He has his own island.

[SPEAKER_15]: I'd have to be like at some point as him.

[SPEAKER_15]: I would be like, hey, I'm a 19-year-old part of royalty That's in like Jen pop at a college.

[SPEAKER_15]: Maybe stop interviewing me about kidnapping.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, like keep it on the law Good boy.

[SPEAKER_17]: Now the real question is what parents pay for me?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, be so [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, on football, I didn't see any matches, perhaps it was because I didn't feel personally involved.

[SPEAKER_09]: On California, I didn't realize it was quite so civilized and industrialized.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: On marriage, I don't think that eventuality will occur soon.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh man, look at that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, look at it.

[SPEAKER_09]: He died seven years later in a plane crash.

[SPEAKER_09]: What's a sad story?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: He'd probably do what he loved.

[SPEAKER_09]: Screaming in terror.

[SPEAKER_17]: I died doing what I love, telling my sexual prisoners to stay in their coffins.

[SPEAKER_17]: Anyway, so that's what's going on in the news.

[SPEAKER_17]: So now we are properly contextualized and before we get into the beat by beat, I want to say here is a little bit of a Draper D story based on a Frankie Lyman and the Teenagers song.

[SPEAKER_17]: Enjoy this.

[SPEAKER_17]: I just told you I met someone named Henry and you're a seal Bad and bad, so you met someone and now I don't know how it feels Bad and bad, so you've been unfit for two Bitch, I'm bout to kill you Cause the family is now in pieces And my job is down to the soil on it, but [SPEAKER_17]: But I'm ready for a fire Better, better You are worse than that horse who took my dad's life Well, okay, and good luck to you You lost me stuck up through you Better, better for him No more, better for me And I hope inside is fine [SPEAKER_17]: So, of course, there is more to that than you say, who ya, what did I say?

[SPEAKER_17]: Who ya, I said, you, you waspy stuck up true, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I thought you're doing the sopranos away.

[SPEAKER_09]: They pronounce who a, [SPEAKER_17]: No, no, no, no, no, I couldn't fit that word in, so I said prostitute because it worked better.

[SPEAKER_17]: Anyways, there's a full version of that song for no fucking reason at the end of the podcast.

[SPEAKER_17]: But now we talk about it.

[SPEAKER_17]: We're talking about the final episode of season three.

[SPEAKER_17]: Vince break it down.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_09]: What?

[SPEAKER_09]: Let me blurb you.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, blurb me.

[SPEAKER_17]: What are your general thoughts on this one?

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, I love Mad Men's art, but I also love when they just lean in to being good TV.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, you know, this is an episode about divorces, Betty from Dawn, Sterling Cooper from the British.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, that's very, uh, doing an art.

[SPEAKER_09]: But mostly the episode is about putting together a super advertising team and sticking it to the accountants.

[SPEAKER_09]: And who doesn't love that?

[SPEAKER_09]: That's just good TV.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would say this episode is weirdly one of the more sympathetic to Don giving us all this background for his sort of world view.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think the writers tend to think that Don is like a better guy than I do as a viewer, but I think it works and I also appreciate that Matthew Weiner seems maybe less pathological about always having to remind you that Don is actually not a good guy [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, every three seconds with Tony soprano, but yeah, it's a great episode.

[SPEAKER_09]: I enjoyed it a lot.

[SPEAKER_09]: I like if I was watching this in real-time, I would be upset that I had to stop at this episode on a way to whole season just as it's getting good.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: I agreed completely.

[SPEAKER_17]: Katrina, tell me your general thoughts.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I really enjoyed it, and as someone who has worked at agencies and also been laid off, I was just really excited to watch, like Vincent, I enjoyed the real TV part of just watching them, put the team together.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_15]: And, um, [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I did, yeah, I just really enjoyed this whole season.

[SPEAKER_15]: So I was kind of excited to watch the culmination of a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and this show is, you know, it's very like, uh, you know, [SPEAKER_09]: about the death of the American dream.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's very like critical of mid-century America, but like at the end of the day, nothing brings us together like ripping on the British, and that's been a consistent theme throughout this series.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_17]: It always works, I love it.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I also love this as like, this is a perfect season finale type of episode in which like you've got all of these threads that have been like, [SPEAKER_17]: You know, uh, pulled on since, I mean, really since the beginning of the series between Betty and Don and then also, you know, tugging on him.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and then since the, uh, you know, the, [SPEAKER_17]: a acquisition by the British ad agency, Putnam, Powell, and Low.

[SPEAKER_17]: And like, you see throughout the season, like, no matter how good they are doing as a company, it's, you know, everything's very precarious because the British don't seem to really give a shit beyond the kind of like, you know, what we look at is like a private equity firm nowadays, like just, [SPEAKER_17]: They're doing everything they can to bump up the numbers so that they can sell for a higher price.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, they're flipping it.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, flipping it.

[SPEAKER_17]: And yeah, I too found myself being excited at then putting the team together, even though I'm looking at it from someone who does not work at an advertising agency.

[SPEAKER_17]: you know, it was just like, yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm excited for them to build something, even though I couldn't give a fuck.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's sad that this conflict between, you know, the people that just want to flip companies and, like, loot things and make...

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, make money in the short term on paper versus, uh, versus the idea of creating a product that people actually want to buy and, you know, doing capitalism the right way I guess like it's, it's kind of crazy that like this was already, an already thing in the 60s or at least already a thing in 2009 that they were tracing back to the 60s and it feels like it's only just, uh, snowballed exponentially since then.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it made me think a lot about or what you're saying about the common enemy.

[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like the other common enemy was being against like you were saying like profit for the sake of profit.

[SPEAKER_15]: It was kind of like even the team that they put together were the people that have subliminally at least for me because I'm way too close to it would be like like there was one episode a while back where [SPEAKER_15]: Um, they were talking about, oh, when they all went to, uh, off for the weekend together and they were like, oh, we have this last minute thing, but we're going to a party by and somebody's, he was like, we haven't gotten any promotions and then, um, one, the other guy was like, I've been here six years longer than you and Peggy just goes no one respects creative and just keeps writing.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like she doesn't even stop and so I felt like at the end they kind of represented the people that Like Vince was saying it's like we want to sell stuff But we know want to be proud of the products that we were creating right and like do the job right and they kind of represented that in the American sense [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's definitely a difference between wanting to make a thing that people want and get paid for it.

[SPEAKER_09]: And there's a difference between that and just making something that looks good to other investors, which is like 90% of what people do now.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're just looking to get bought out by someone who thinks that they love your pie in the sky dream or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not really about anything concrete that you've done.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's weird for me, like, I'm impressed by the show's ability to make me give a shit about advertising, right?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, like the business of advertising because like throughout this episode, once they realize that there's one way in which they can avoid being, you know, gobbled up by McCann, which is the bigger, um, [SPEAKER_17]: advertising agency.

[SPEAKER_17]: They're like the one way we can do it is if we, you know, kind of like pool our resources together and, you know, create our own thing.

[SPEAKER_17]: And in order to do that, one by one, Don has to sell everybody on this idea.

[SPEAKER_17]: So it was kind of like flexing [SPEAKER_09]: the you know advertising can be amazing type of muscle where you're just like yeah you're you're watching him sell it to Bert and then Bert and him sell it to Roger oh I think this this episode was probably did so much damage to two people that like getting them into advertising and thinking it's like some sort of altruistic yes pursuit or that like you're making a this heartfelt thing [SPEAKER_09]: I tend to agree with Duck where he's like, oh yeah, go right, a prose poem to a potato chip.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, that's true, the product here is like not something great.

[SPEAKER_17]: Right, but I think you're right, I think it's like this, the way in which this episode I don't know runs is it does make you go like, man, oh, it'll be so cool to [SPEAKER_17]: You know, being advertising, which is not like a job as a job, but it's like I'm impressed with its ability to make me be like That does sound kind of nice to like build something that actually has a future as most of a podcast But um [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, so I really enjoyed it.

[SPEAKER_17]: I also really love the culmination of the Betty and Dawn, you know, marriage break up.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love the divorce, seeing the scene in which they take the kids aside and say, mommy and daddy are gonna be separate now.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know, I love Dawn realizing [SPEAKER_17]: you know for the first time accidentally his Roger got drunk that Henry is some guy who's been stopping his wife.

[SPEAKER_17]: That was it was just so great because there was just so many of those moments where it's like you know I I had forgotten oh yeah he has no idea about this so he's going to be and for Roger Sterling to be the guy that knows all of them him and it's like double double [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, who I love hate Rogers so much and I'm so mad they made he's so wonderful.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's so hard not to love him But yeah, just uh, you know, we start off this episode with Dawn waking up in Grandpa jeans old haunted room.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's the room.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think that he stayed in when he was living with Dawn and Betty [SPEAKER_17]: for that short period of time earlier this season and then immediately we cut to a meeting between him and Conrad Hilton who tells him that you know both Putnam Palin low and Sterling Cooper being sold to McCann Erickson.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he says something along lines of like, well, Cooper will be put on an ice flow, whatever that.

[SPEAKER_17]: What does that mean?

[SPEAKER_17]: Does that mean just like to drift out into?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's what the myth about Eskimos doing that to the old people, where it's like, all right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, Grandpa, go live with the polar bears now.

[SPEAKER_17]: Just like what?

[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know about this room.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't think I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, you've never heard put it Put it's put someone out on ice.

[SPEAKER_17]: I've heard it, but I think this is the first time I ever said what does that mean?

[SPEAKER_17]: Who does that?

[SPEAKER_09]: So I mean, I'm not sure if that's a real thing that they actually did or just some sort of like myth that was passed down But yeah, it was like oh, yeah, you take it old person that can't contribute to the So the the tribe any more and you let them just float away on an ice flow [SPEAKER_17]: What like but like not before they're dead like pre-emptive ice vowel how well yeah I think so we can't beat you anymore pop pop pop pop Not enough room to feed you we gotta we don't have an ice flow big enough for all the people that need to be on when right now Dude, I know a lot of young people deserve to be on a nice flow [SPEAKER_17]: Um, yeah, so I loved that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, and then he also in the same breath calls Don, uh, says like don't worry.

[SPEAKER_17]: Don, you're a prized pig.

[SPEAKER_17]: Which is just, I love the way that he looks at other human beings.

[SPEAKER_15]: That was what to say.

[SPEAKER_15]: Their relationship is like the closest Don will ever be to treated like a woman.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, like he just, yes.

[SPEAKER_15]: He's so we he calls like he has no respect for his time or space and just like oddly objectifies him and when he gets upset He gaslight him like it so yes, yeah, but he also appeals to his fellow his nature as a fellow hillbilly [SPEAKER_17]: yeah well that's his like manipulative trick is to uh is you know to be like what are you complaining you like some like some sort of boy it's like you're a sociopath yeah he's like what are you some sort of liberal [SPEAKER_15]: That's why it was like I built everything by myself and I was like you call people at all hours of the day and night to do your writing What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, what you've built on the backs of literally everyone that you've used up like a fucking leech and [SPEAKER_15]: It's like Don's mostly dead inside and you've broken him emotionally.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like somehow you got this completely like this person who does not feel because he's like, well, what's worse than my dad getting kicked to death by a horse?

[SPEAKER_17]: And you made him feel small.

[SPEAKER_17]: It is wild.

[SPEAKER_17]: And Don is pissed.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like Don actually like starts, you know, calling him out.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's like, this is how you know, this is the ICU.

[SPEAKER_17]: This is why you call me son, pretend we're family and all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_17]: But he doesn't go so far as to like ruin the relationship.

[SPEAKER_17]: He just, you know, kind of Expresses himself and then the scene ends with him going, all right, have a nice holiday Which I was like, all right.

[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's doing this right before Christmas [SPEAKER_17]: So, Dawn then has a flashback to the time that his dad broke with his like farmers co-op, which is kind of like a, you know, ends up being, we see a few different flashbacks from him and his father, and I think, [SPEAKER_17]: I'm not entirely sure what they're going for here, whether he's like, you know, if I follow in my father's footsteps, I'm going to be kicked to death by a horse, or if it's like, you know, my dad didn't want to be grinded to death by the gears of capital, I think.

[SPEAKER_09]: right right but you know i i'm just wondering if the co-op was you know for him something that he regretted his dad pulling out of her was yeah it was a little hard to tell like whether pulling out of the co-op was a good idea or a bad idea because like his dad's he gets drunk and he decides he's going to take his uh...

grain up to Chicago [SPEAKER_09]: And I think the idea was that he was going to get a better price in Chicago because maybe someone over there wasn't going to chisel him so bad, but yeah, we never find out whether that was winning business proposition or not because he, you know, got kicked a death by a horse.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I love that before he did he gives his son Don or I guess dick an old timey like bottle of a juke a juke that's like all it was no had you know liquor had a taste on it You know liquor had a taste so much better out of a clay jug [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, yeah, I mean, you're really living plus you can get drunk and hoot on it afterwards.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_15]: I can not imagine and I do think that was obviously part of what he was like, I'm going to night and it's like you're drunk and it was just like, [SPEAKER_17]: There's a lot of things that would have been a decision that were bad that I'd nothing to do with the co-op It could have done that in the morning and it might have been fine like yeah like straight up If he had somehow wiggled his way out of being kicked a death then some other final destination style death was [SPEAKER_15]: Um, he's Don Draper is the original part of Bloodline.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: It begins with him watching his dad get kicked to death by the horse.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, so, uh, Don, uh, the next day goes into, uh, Bert Cooper's office and tells him about, uh, the fact that PPL is being sold and so is their company.

[SPEAKER_09]: And we're very right early conversation with each other.

[SPEAKER_09]: Let's say.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I mean, I liked it.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's for a season finale that the way I feel about it is I kind of like getting a little more text text and a little less subtext.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I agree.

[SPEAKER_09]: Just say it.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, TV.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it was like dialogue that you don't think they would actually say in real life, but the dialogue you'd want them to say.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so you allow it.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, Cooper is saying, you know, like, why should I risk the fortune that I've amassed, you know, to build something new when I'm so old and like who knows what could happen and Dawn says in very TV writer Lee fashion that you guys all like to build yourself.

[SPEAKER_17]: elaborate mausoleums or something like that in the golden tomb that you that you trapped us in.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he's actually able to sell Cooper on the idea that like they need to build something of their own.

[SPEAKER_17]: So they go over to Roger's office and just a really great scene between Roger, Don and Bert and I have that right here.

[SPEAKER_19]: Right here, there we go.

[SPEAKER_19]: He probably feels bad about the president getting shot on his watch.

[SPEAKER_19]: Now, stop reading the paper.

[SPEAKER_19]: He's obsessed.

[SPEAKER_19]: Most interesting girls ever had in the book the repository.

[SPEAKER_17]: Just pausing real quick.

[SPEAKER_17]: Who's he talking about here?

[SPEAKER_15]: This is why his wife.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: No, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_15]: Darkhead girl.

[SPEAKER_17]: No, yeah, no.

[SPEAKER_17]: But I mean, what in the paper, who is the person, the subject of the article?

[SPEAKER_08]: You said it.

[SPEAKER_17]: You felt bad about the president being shot on his watch and then yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I was wondering if that had one of the guard one of the guys who didn't actually get shot or Because didn't one of the guys that was in front get shot one of the secret service guys get you or it could have been talking about LBJ because it all happened in his home state.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't really know [SPEAKER_17]: And then also, but he's talking about the book Depository.

[SPEAKER_17]: So I maybe it's a guard at the book Depository.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: It all interests me, but not enough to you.

[SPEAKER_15]: You're just as bad as his wife.

[SPEAKER_17]: I know.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't listen.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't give a shit about no book Depository.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was just like the political or the historical version of when they give you like the very end of a joke.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then the Hillbilly says, yeah, I didn't always give me that kind of word.

[SPEAKER_17]: He already come to the woods to hunt, did you?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: So here is the rest of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: The can is buying PPL, and is absorbing sterling Cooper along with it.

[SPEAKER_07]: What?

[SPEAKER_19]: Conor and Hilton told me this morning.

[SPEAKER_19]: Christ.

[SPEAKER_19]: And now you're sniffing around because I have a golden pork chop dangling from my neck.

[SPEAKER_19]: It's more than that.

[SPEAKER_19]: You don't burt stun for?

[SPEAKER_19]: Now it's about burt, huh?

[SPEAKER_19]: I want to see what you look like with the tail between your legs.

[SPEAKER_02]: You sold your birthright show.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can marry that trollev.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is your pitch.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, move along.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love, I love just watching this scene where Dawn is trying the approach like think about poor bird and he's like, ah, come on.

[SPEAKER_17]: That won't work on me and bird is like, let me try this one on for size.

[SPEAKER_17]: Your wife is a whore.

[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, do it for him and he's like, nah, he's like, well, what if I'm a dick?

[SPEAKER_17]: Does that work?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, so they, they're trying this.

[SPEAKER_17]: They work it out, though.

[SPEAKER_17]: They work does make me laugh a lot, though.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like his reaction to stuff is he was making me laugh a lot in this picture.

[SPEAKER_09]: He was America's first weep as we've discussed.

[SPEAKER_09]: He loves Japanese and Japanese culture.

[SPEAKER_09]: Really?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Throughout, he's just like, you know, he's a katana guy.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah, that's what I imagined.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh goodness.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's got the anti-fucking poster of a woman being fucked by tentacles.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, I forgot.

[SPEAKER_15]: He does have the Fisherman's wife.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I believe some, I believe the art of war comes up at some point.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, I didn't even catch that.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's so funny.

[SPEAKER_15]: Classic.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I don't know if you ever saw that HBO documentary about the, like, like, the father and son team that, like, we're basically cue it on.

[SPEAKER_09]: Are are cueing on?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, like he's those guys a thousand percent.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, but then what happens is the thing that we say we always love to happen in shows and movies is when the characters that we like are friends and they become, they become, become friends again.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're like we're going to assemble a team.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it was great like seeing them because like Cooper says to him like Don is like go get Roger and he's like you go get him and and straight that made me laugh to yeah Don doesn't want to be in the room with him still because like do you want to do this or not and so in that moment you know he goes and he talks to him and Bert is actually the one who is able to sell him [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, he makes a good point, you know, and to be fair, like they don't actually make the plan to put the team together yet.

[SPEAKER_09]: They still have to, at this stage, they are still, like, stymied by the idea.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, they don't know that they believe Lane at first, because Lane says, you know, PPL is not being sold, but yes, they're selling off, they're selling off Sterling Cooper, but then he realizes he's wrong.

[SPEAKER_17]: Right.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: And so Lane doesn't know at this point that he, in fact, is also on the chopping block.

[SPEAKER_17]: So yeah, they have a meeting.

[SPEAKER_17]: Meanwhile, Betty, like Don comes home and Betty tells the kids to leave while she has a conversation with Don.

[SPEAKER_17]: And she says, she tells them to shut the door.

[SPEAKER_09]: Have a seat.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Literally, this episode is just multiple scenes where people say [SPEAKER_17]: of the episode and she tells him that she made an appointment with the divorce attorney and that he should do the same.

[SPEAKER_17]: And Dawn's response is like, you should probably see a doctor.

[SPEAKER_17]: You're clearly having some sort of period related, you know, induced hysteria.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: There's, maybe you should be locked up in a mental asylum.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean before he became like a total conservative psychopath Adam Krola had a really good bit about how like with every break up If you ask the woman like how it went down she could like pull out a PowerPoint and it was like okay, and be like okay This happened and then this happened and then this happened and all this added up to blah, blah, blah And if you ask the guy he just says oh bitch went nuts.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly exactly [SPEAKER_15]: Wait, that was before he was a concern.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that's almost, you know, and that's almost not misogynists, which is pretty good for Adam Corolla.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, I think it was critical of the man.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was critical of the man.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was critical of the man.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: But yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: It was.

[SPEAKER_15]: Very interesting to see I was loving all of Dawn's reaction during all this just knowing the way Dawn has been living his life the past three seasons Totally and you stop blinking a girl like two weeks ago [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, like left her in your car and he's like We talked about how she almost died because he forgot to poke holes in the top of the car He just left her in there and didn't really like the water bowl.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, dude And yeah, and like the way he's acting, you know, he says like, you know I'm not gonna let you break up this family and she's like you broke up this family and then you know And he's like, oh, yeah, damn.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, this is all because you didn't forgive me and it's like forgiving for what?

[SPEAKER_14]: What are we doing?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was going to say the stuff she doesn't even know about.

[SPEAKER_17]: Right.

[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he never has.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's only like apologized vaguely for being disrespectful.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he's acting like, I can't believe this is happening.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and then later this is the rest of the episode is him realizing that he has to apologize and not just past faults and Open up to people.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, the whole episode which I love I love that about this episode is He's put in a situation in which he needs people which is something that he does not like in his life He doesn't like ever needing people.

[SPEAKER_17]: He wants to be completely like self-sufficient [SPEAKER_17]: And so in every situation, I mean, listen, I get it, bro.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was gonna say relatable, don't you?

[SPEAKER_17]: I get it, dude.

[SPEAKER_17]: But like, you know, first he has to like talk to Roger and then Roger is like, I'd like to hear you big.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then he has to talk to Peggy and Peggy is like, you didn't even ask me, you just told me.

[SPEAKER_15]: Okay, but can I just say one thing about Peggy?

[SPEAKER_15]: Please.

[SPEAKER_15]: She is like, she's a Scientologist.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, is she in real life?

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like she's and she does have a That kind of blank stare her to a big and blue.

[SPEAKER_15]: Um, but she has like emotional groundhog day with dawn specifically every meeting they have she's like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_15]: You're not very nice to me.

[SPEAKER_15]: He's just like, who do you think you've been working for this whole time?

[SPEAKER_15]: Dumbdumb, like, are you in or out?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I mean, to be fair, he did, he was like her benefactor and he did show up when she had her illegitimate child and was like, listen, come back to work whenever you want.

[SPEAKER_09]: We'll never speak of this again.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_17]: He gave her the great advice of, uh, it will shock you how much, uh, what does he say?

[SPEAKER_17]: It'll shock you how much this didn't happen.

[SPEAKER_15]: Sounds like if anybody knows anything about secrets, this will be as gone as you want it to be just for tending.

[SPEAKER_09]: Just put it in a little box inside of you and then just throw away the key and never think about it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Stop it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, get it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Get as tight as you can.

[SPEAKER_15]: And then you'll hallucinate the cries of your forgotten child.

[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: the cancer can't metastasize if you preemptively cut the bottom half of your body off.

[SPEAKER_15]: No, and you're right about him, like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_15]: I understand they have a relationship, but it's also like, who do you think you're dealing with at this point?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she always chooses, I think, strange moments to stand up for herself.

[SPEAKER_17]: And this is one, [SPEAKER_17]: and which she accidentally was correct and that she did have like leverage.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, this whole season is her like doing the right thing at the wrong time.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: And not realizing how bad her timing was.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then this time, it finally like worked out for.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, but yeah, so like Don has to basically, you know, get people back in his life, you know, and apologize to multiple people in this, uh, in this episode.

[SPEAKER_17]: And, um, yeah, so Betty and Henry meet with an attorney who goes over the grounds for divorce in New York State, 1963.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I just, I fucking love this scene.

[SPEAKER_17]: I have a clip.

[SPEAKER_02]: The only grounds for divorce in the state are absence of a spouse in curable insanity life in prison or adultery.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, so life imprisonment, life imprisonment, or incurable insanity.

[SPEAKER_15]: And you can fix it, pop those pills and get back in the house.

[SPEAKER_17]: I just love, I love.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love watching a New York like judge, adjudicating a divorce and he's looking at like He's looking at the husband who's just like smearing poop on the walls and he's just like, I don't know Give it a week.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think I think I think we could cure this seems pretty terrible to me [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, my favorite part of this scene is that they all keep misinterpreting like which level of wasp are there at, where he's like, he tries to reference something real and they're like, no, no, no, we are level seven wasps.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is another thing that we do not talk about.

[SPEAKER_17]: You mean, you mean when the lawyer mentions the, yeah, yeah, here I have the rest of that.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, he hasn't been faithful.

[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't matter anyway with both parties at fault.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, no, we haven't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we aren't- Ken, what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the governor needs another scandal, and I think- I am sorry for presuming.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mr.

Stranger, that was wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: State of New York doesn't want anyone to get divorced.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why people go to Reno.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's painless, I'm at my second wife.

[SPEAKER_17]: I, unlike, wait, did the lawyer just say that he went to Reno to get a divorce and while in Reno, he met his second wife?

[SPEAKER_15]: I was not doing this.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I mean, you could pick one up while you're there.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_17]: You're divorced and get a brand new wife.

[SPEAKER_09]: Some crazy shit happens over there.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, you go to Harris.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, you could either get kidnapped because you're Frank to not just son or you might need a new lady.

[SPEAKER_15]: What a city.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's my wife in the world.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's now all never.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like Frankie says I did it my way anyways.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, so yeah, I enjoy that he's like, that was, sorry, what you should do is go to Reno and then you can get divorced.

[SPEAKER_09]: That felt very much like the Eric Adams thing where he's like, New York, the greatest city in the world.

[SPEAKER_09]: You could wake up and start a new business or what planes could crash into a building.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: 911 could happen or just you could go to Sabaro.

[SPEAKER_17]: Is that Brent?

[SPEAKER_17]: And sure is.

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[SPEAKER_17]: And we're back as mad yourself a man talking about the season finale of season three of Mad Men with our wonderful guests Katrina Davis How you doing?

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[SPEAKER_17]: I hope it was ice-free, too So let's get back to what happens in the office?

[SPEAKER_17]: Lane good old Lane price is calling Singen [SPEAKER_09]: It's a guy's name is Saint John.

[SPEAKER_17]: I was going to say, what are English people do that?

[SPEAKER_09]: They just, they're, it's, they're good.

[SPEAKER_17]: Consentions like one of those names, like at first I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_17]: And then I was like, that's a like badass kind of name.

[SPEAKER_17]: Singen doesn't that sound like a sort of a rap name?

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: I enjoyed thinking about Syngen being a sound-cloud rapper.

[SPEAKER_17]: Syngen is when you put Cody into your gin.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, so he tells him, hey, just so you know everyone at Stirling Cooper knows.

[SPEAKER_17]: The word is getting out.

[SPEAKER_17]: Of course, they thought that Putnam Pal on low was also being sold, and Singen is like, oh, well, I guess I better tell you, you also will be subject to the ice flow challenge, and he basically tells him he's fucked, you know, and that he is also going to McCann.

[SPEAKER_17]: Which I think he knows was not going to work out well for him because I think his job is what like CFO or some shit You know idea like he's the finance, you know guy, you know there and so I feel like British niss officer Yeah, I don't I feel like you know you don't just get absorbed by another company and they're like let's get an extra CFO in there So he also knows he's screwed [SPEAKER_15]: You can't file me, I'm the head of Britishness.

[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: Well, you're going to find another thing.

[SPEAKER_15]: I can only be sacked.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Terminated.

[SPEAKER_15]: He can also be terminated.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: A redundancy.

[SPEAKER_17]: So, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: So, Lane is like freaking out.

[SPEAKER_17]: He is telling.

[SPEAKER_17]: Cooper and Roger and Dawn, you know, like I'm being fired too, but, you know, there's nothing we can do about it.

[SPEAKER_17]: We're fucked.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know, he's got that British attitude of, you know, just I guess that's the end for me time to [SPEAKER_15]: And my life, I was going to say I was hired for my spinelessness.

[SPEAKER_17]: So Exactly, so job well done, and And yeah, and then he says something Don and Lane you while they're fighting something is said that spurs an idea Inside of Don's beautiful brain and I have that scene right here [SPEAKER_13]: Should file even trying to involve me in this conspiracy?

[SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead!

[SPEAKER_07]: It's only thing you did well here.

[SPEAKER_07]: John, let it go.

[SPEAKER_13]: I did a great many things, yeah.

[SPEAKER_18]: Have another.

[SPEAKER_18]: It's 930 for Katzig.

[SPEAKER_09]: Who's he talking to when he says that?

[SPEAKER_15]: I think he's talking to Lane.

[SPEAKER_15]: Cause he's having a cigarette.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I had more stuff.

[SPEAKER_09]: I thought he was such thing Don was having a drink.

[SPEAKER_09]: I couldn't tell it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I couldn't tell either.

[SPEAKER_15]: I did.

[SPEAKER_15]: I did think it was one of those two things.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Is it too early in the morning for a cigarette?

[SPEAKER_09]: All these people do is smoke.

[SPEAKER_09]: What is he talking to?

[SPEAKER_17]: I know.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: I have no idea what that's in reference to.

[SPEAKER_17]: But I just go, hey, you know, 63 people just said stuff.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know, all right, here's the rest of that.

[SPEAKER_06]: 9.30 for God's sake.

[SPEAKER_17]: Jesus, that's right.

[SPEAKER_06]: You have absolute authority to fire anyone.

[SPEAKER_06]: Fire us.

[SPEAKER_06]: Fire us.

[SPEAKER_06]: Several contracts.

[SPEAKER_06]: Let us go.

[SPEAKER_06]: you do that?

[SPEAKER_17]: I'd sack me.

[SPEAKER_17]: It turns out he can do that.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'd sack me wrong.

[SPEAKER_17]: Would you sack me?

[SPEAKER_17]: I'd sack me.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'd sack me so hard.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's just dancing naked in front of a mirror with his dick tucked in.

[SPEAKER_17]: And anyways, and one of Berks come on over.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, he goes into Bird's Office, he got to come on over, so he could tuck his sack.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, yeah, so Lane starts negotiating, kind of buying in, and this scene is just fucking great, because it's like you, you know, you're seeing Lane as being kind of like, [SPEAKER_17]: the last guy in the c-suite who's like not into it and they're able to sell him on it because he's like this is a really brilliant idea and he starts immediately going like okay let's get some accounts together and then he has five minutes all of them.

[SPEAKER_09]: It shows you how male friendships work, you know, like you just throw around some insults and you get really mad But then you kiss and then everybody's Everybody, you know, take their shirts off and browse down for a little bit.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that's just like I miss where they kissed Yeah, oh, yeah, they kiss oh, yeah, okay, let's cut that out one second.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_17]: You walked out.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, you missed the kiss in part No, I do really appreciate.

[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like it was like [SPEAKER_15]: If Oceans 11 and that one step where you have to apologize for everyone in rehab, put new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, [SPEAKER_17]: So, yeah, they, you know, they say, okay, we're going to do it.

[SPEAKER_17]: We're going to all be fired.

[SPEAKER_17]: And Don gets Peggy, and he says the title.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then he tells her that they are starting their own company and Peggy pushes back.

[SPEAKER_17]: Don didn't even ask her.

[SPEAKER_17]: Don just starts, you know, barking orders at her.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like get everything together.

[SPEAKER_17]: And Don is like he's so mad that in this moment of like, you know, I'm about to take over the world that that Peggy is pushing back, that he threatens her with like, [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I guess I'm going to call, you know, Curtin Schmitty into the room, which is like, it's such an empty threat for Peggy, yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Peggy is like, yeah, sure.

[SPEAKER_17]: You're going to call those two fucking boats.

[SPEAKER_15]: Bring up those dinguses.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: What are you going to say next?

[SPEAKER_17]: Bring Paul Kinsey in here.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_17]: Kinsey, you know, practice me up later.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I love that Paul scene.

[SPEAKER_09]: I love that the show finally acknowledged that Paul is terrible at his job Yes, and no one would actually like what like he hasn't done anything He hasn't had one he had one good idea this entire show is like posting on pretension.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think yeah Yeah, 100% it's so funny because Paul is one of those characters that [SPEAKER_17]: Um, like looking at it from like kind of a wider view, uh, with the, with more women in the workplace, you see how it's threatening to Paul in this way where he realizes like, oh, he's, [SPEAKER_17]: not any more talented than anyone.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's just another archetype of a guy you might want to work in like, you know, in advertising, as opposed to being any good at literally anything.

[SPEAKER_17]: And so he realizes, like, oh, shit, man, I'm like, I'm kind of a fossil in that way.

[SPEAKER_15]: He is the kind of open-mic that complains when they have like one woman on a show.

[SPEAKER_15]: Because he's like, no, that really would have been my spot.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_15]: And they just needed another dude.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was that dude right exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: You know now every show has to have a woman on it And I could have been on there being the most mid comic you've ever seen That that is like straight up who he is But yeah, so Peggy doesn't budge and like leaves the office meanwhile dawn and Roger visit Pete [SPEAKER_17]: And this is a great scene because Pete is also being combative and also, again, is forced is done to apologize, you know, he is like, he skipped work because he had a meeting with some other fucking company.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, and they meet up with him.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, govie.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was ugly.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, govie.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, and they basically say like, hey, we're gonna start our own thing.

[SPEAKER_17]: Tell me about your saddle bag.

[SPEAKER_09]: I guess like the one question that I have about this episode is why they went to Pete and not Ken Cosgrove.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think because I mean, because Pete clearly tries harder than Cosgrove, but Cosgrove, I think is acknowledged to be like better at the actual job.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think it's because Don understands that when it comes to Pete, he, um, I don't know, he has sort of a relationship with Pete that is based on more than just, like he doesn't really know Kenny, Kenny just, uh, and Kenny annoys him.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think he, he, I think he correctly surmises that Kenny is not as desperate for as approval as he is.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's what I was going to say.

[SPEAKER_15]: He can't control Kenny the way he can be.

[SPEAKER_15]: He can't be.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Even in this scene, he like needs to hear.

[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, what do you think?

[SPEAKER_15]: He wants to hear Don be like, you are good enough.

[SPEAKER_15]: Because I feel like Pete is the definition of the word sniveling like Makes he just gets under my skin so bad that even when they got there I was like also like why would you pick him?

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I get it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I think yeah, I've discussed this before But I think Pete's such a perfect character because he [SPEAKER_09]: So perfectly anticipates this archetype of the like gaulless loser male that is sort of we're sort of beset with this Character in culture like the very like Elon archetype where it's like this person can have everything but because they have like their they're inherently Rizzless that they have this like permanent [SPEAKER_09]: Permanent adversarial relationship to the world because it's like why it's because they're just constantly losing with humans Yeah, it's like I can have everything but people still don't like me because I'm fucking gubnoxious.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that you're so right fucking [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and he really wristless.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and he I think, you know, he is realized that a little bit.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, I think there's part of Pete that knows that that is what he is.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's like this constant sniveling dog who's just begging for a crumb of approval.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he, you know, he's doing the thing that I think a few others are doing like Lane throws his weight around a little bit because I think this is worth more than a partnership I want my name on the door stuff and like Lane is, you know, he wants his name in the lobby.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, well, that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_15]: So Pete is funny.

[SPEAKER_17]: Peter's trying to do the same thing that Lane did, of course, unbeknownst to Pete, but he doesn't really have, you know, the leverage that that he would need in order to, in order to actually demand anything, but he does say, I want my name.

[SPEAKER_17]: I want my name and the lobby, whichever one was just like, do you understand what's starting a business from scratch?

[SPEAKER_15]: That was the best.

[SPEAKER_15]: They're not gonna be alive.

[SPEAKER_16]: It's not gonna be a lobby, you fucking idiot.

[SPEAKER_16]: Idiot.

[SPEAKER_15]: It was so good.

[SPEAKER_15]: And I do even want to hear a point about like the Elon of it all.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like he does have an ability to like macro out and see trends coming.

[SPEAKER_15]: And like...

[SPEAKER_15]: To be able, I feel like even we'll see what happens, obviously, but I feel like Dawn's control over him in a good way would to be would be to allow him to be like, take the win of you as a person.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like even if he finds it, I feel like even him and Kenny whenever they were like, you guys are going to like split up the things and work together.

[SPEAKER_15]: If he would have worked with Kenny, [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: They would have been unstoppable because Kenny's likable and he has foresight, but like he was so focused on not getting what he wanted.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: True.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I like that Trudy and the scene like stops him from from like having a temper tantrum.

[SPEAKER_17]: It just like he's in the middle of like about to be like, I don't need you.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't need anybody and Trudy is like, hey honey, could you help me in the kitchen for a minute?

[SPEAKER_17]: Every one understands, like Trudy is here to make sure you don't have a tantrum.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and also she's like, I need somebody to support all the hair under these tall dorky hats.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like you need a job, do you know?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, and so yeah, he basically agrees to do it and he's shows them that for right now in his saddle bag which he does have he has 8 million in clients so far.

[SPEAKER_17]: They are going to a bar together, Roger and Don, and Don opens up for the first fucking time in his life about the divorce.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, just about anything, really.

[SPEAKER_17]: But he starts talking about the divorce and Roger immediately is just like, Oh, so it's real.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then he's like, what?

[SPEAKER_17]: And he's like, you know?

[SPEAKER_17]: Henry Francis, and he's like, who's that?

[SPEAKER_17]: He's like, God damn it!

[SPEAKER_17]: I love that scene.

[SPEAKER_17]: I have that clip.

[SPEAKER_19]: So it's true, huh?

[SPEAKER_19]: What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_19]: Henry Francis.

[SPEAKER_19]: Who?

[SPEAKER_19]: Right when things are almost normal.

[SPEAKER_19]: I need you to tell me what you know.

[SPEAKER_19]: Margaret's friends with his daughter are they sleeping here, either?

[SPEAKER_19]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_19]: It sounds like it's serious, I was going to tell you.

[SPEAKER_19]: No, I wasn't.

[SPEAKER_19]: I thought you knew.

[SPEAKER_19]: I'm sorry I told you.

[SPEAKER_19]: Believe me.

[SPEAKER_17]: I just love they're like, I was gonna tell you, no, it wasn't.

[SPEAKER_15]: No, it wasn't.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, what did I do?

[SPEAKER_15]: I love when Rogers just aggressively honest.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, he can't help it.

[SPEAKER_17]: Because he's drunk.

[SPEAKER_15]: And I loved all of the soap opera parts of this episode.

[SPEAKER_14]: I was just like sitting at home, like, and going, and like making all the, like, [SPEAKER_17]: I love watching Don Kitties, yes, so immediately after the scene, Don comes home to a sleeping beddy and basically physically poanks her out of bed, he shoves her all she's asleep which is such a funny move.

[SPEAKER_17]: It is like wow and and it's like the first time you think like oh shit [SPEAKER_17]: It's just a part where it's like, oh, it is the 60s.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's going to beat his wife.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's like such a playground.

[SPEAKER_09]: It starts, well, yeah, that's where it, you know, that's where it goes.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it starts with such like a playground shove where you like, don't even shove someone in the chest.

[SPEAKER_09]: You like shove their shoulder like out of anger.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it's also, it's doubly funny because she's like, in bed, that's right.

[SPEAKER_15]: Just shoving a sweeping person who doesn't even know that this is a grussian.

[SPEAKER_15]: They're just like, what?

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hey, idiot.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that was for him that was literally him like coming up the stairs and seeing her and just being like Oh, I could just shove you and he didn't Yeah Yeah, the curse is she's already lying down.

[SPEAKER_17]: Alright, and here's that scene which is just fabulous Oh, that was Henry Francis Stop it Stop it What the hell is he?

[SPEAKER_10]: Why do you care?

[SPEAKER_17]: Because you're good and everyone else in the world is bad I love that live [SPEAKER_17]: That is what he's the most mad about.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, it's that you did it to, and I felt that you were so perfect this whole time.

[SPEAKER_15]: Which honestly, for what he's thinking of, he was kind of right up until like what a couple months ago.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I mean, but also he's mad because he's like this whole time.

[SPEAKER_17]: You've been like how could you cheat and I've been feeling bad when I shouldn't have felt bad cheating's fun And you know it That's so funny He's acting like she cheated on a diet that they went in on together.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's like [SPEAKER_17]: Bro, this is the idea that you are mostly mad about like you've this whole time I was like oh, I'm the devil and you're the angel.

[SPEAKER_17]: Well guess what looks like we're both a little dirty fucking devil's aren't we?

[SPEAKER_17]: I just love that god bless them [SPEAKER_05]: You're so hurt, so brave with your little white nose in the air, all along you've been building a life raft.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, really white-shaimed her.

[SPEAKER_14]: I wonder what...

Don, so mad he became black.

[SPEAKER_17]: I think for him there's got to be like there is something about Betty that where she even looks at like even if you are a white Christian Protestant If you're she's pure as driven snow.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, if you are poor she's like you're you're your ethnic because you're poor Yeah, like you're white, but your wallet isn't right [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly exactly exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: She's the widest even like even like January Jones's natural accent sort of plays into that I mean, it's yeah, yeah, it's all I ever noticed where she's just like Yeah, because she's from the Midwest right?

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's no it's like she's from the upper planes It's not like a Chicago accent.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's like the Dakota It's a very Minnesota [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, oh yeah, the other scene where I noticed it was when Oswald got shot and she was like, why is going She does say that It's like that one vowel sound that that exposes the entire accent like when people from like New Zealand or Australia say like, oh, oh sounds Yeah, you see that the Instagram gram where the girl says poop [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah, pup.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: The Upper Midwest Plains version of that is like, ah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_15]: She did.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: What is called a sad goose.

[SPEAKER_15]: She just likes the room.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: But yeah, she, uh, yeah, she's, she looks at him, I guess, as ethnic because he's poor, and so he's got some sort of resentment.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's like, you put your little white nose in the air.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, he never forgave me.

[SPEAKER_11]: Forgive what?

[SPEAKER_11]: That I've never been enough.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got everything you ever wanted, everything, and you loved it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm not good enough for some spoiled mainline brat.

[SPEAKER_11]: That's right!

[SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to Reno, and you're going to consent, and that's the end of this.

[SPEAKER_11]: Don't threaten me.

[SPEAKER_11]: I know all about you.

[UNKNOWN]: You're poor.

[SPEAKER_12]: Sorry, sorry.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was not ready for that like I didn't know what he was going to do because like you said up at one point I was like oh shit, it's he gonna like smacker something like I mean he was mad So I feel like that was yeah I feel like especially for this time he was like patting himself on the back for not smacking or he was like yeah I got a little more in left [SPEAKER_09]: He was third grade mad right there.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, they're having two different fights almost.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like those fights where you just say different things that each other.

[SPEAKER_15]: And it's like, is this an acting exercise?

[SPEAKER_15]: Neither of you are saying anything that has to do with the other.

[SPEAKER_17]: you're a hoar and you think you're so good and you're white i'm going to re-know two ships passing in the night you're worse than that time my dad got kicked it out by a horse uh...

you never he said something but you never forgave me and she says for what it's like she doesn't even know there's new stuff she could have forgiven you about from like [SPEAKER_15]: Yes, you're as thick skin hasn't even regenerated from the last time you slept with another woman What are you even talking about right now?

[SPEAKER_17]: Dude if I smelled your dick right now, I would smell someone else's pussy juice.

[SPEAKER_17]: We all know it [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_15]: And it would be a little bit like crayon because she's around him all day long.

[SPEAKER_17]: But that's dick smells like a crayola box.

[SPEAKER_17]: But yeah, that fight I just thought was wonderful.

[SPEAKER_17]: And the button with your horror, you know that.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's just like so, it's, I can imagine that maybe there's part of them that was like woke up in the morning and gave themselves credit for not doing like, [SPEAKER_17]: I guess overt violence.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, he did yank her out of bed, but I know he didn't slap her But there's the other part of me that goes like he woke up in the morning and said, oh That's embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_17]: I just like yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean the best I could come up with was you're a whore and a slut in a skank Oh, and you're ugly and I hate you like to me.

[SPEAKER_17]: He knew how weak he sounded from that.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, what feel like if he stayed He probably would have cried like what you want just went into [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, I assume you've had breakups like that where it gets like the where the last conversation is like the most petty that either of you have been with each other Yeah, I don't think I've ever called anyone a horror at least not, you know, like without no wanting to be called a horror [SPEAKER_09]: I remember like, I remember breaking up with one of my longer-term girlfriends.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're one of the last things she said to me was like, I'm taking back the queason art I bought you.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was like, I birthday your Christmas present and that was just like, okay.

[SPEAKER_15]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_15]: I got enough fight with a guy who was dating at a beach house, and then I tried to storm off, but there was a screen in the way.

[SPEAKER_15]: And so I just bounced off of it.

[SPEAKER_15]: And then I had to reopen it to get out.

[SPEAKER_15]: And that was like, I'm never, you're just like, I'm going to live this.

[SPEAKER_09]: You lived out a Mitch headberg bit.

[SPEAKER_15]: It was really, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: The Mitch headberg bit about like you can't, you can't get in a fight in a tent, because then you can't slam a door.

[SPEAKER_15]: You can't slam a door.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, it was basically that but was sliding.

[SPEAKER_15]: It's even weaker.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I pretty much have lived my entire romantic life doing everything possible to avoid ever having a big blow up breakup.

[SPEAKER_17]: So, I don't know if I've ever, like the worst I think I did was [SPEAKER_17]: a girlfriend broke up with me and I had a picture of her on my wall.

[SPEAKER_17]: I said, okay, and I gave her the picture back and then she started crying.

[SPEAKER_17]: I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_17]: You broke up with me.

[SPEAKER_17]: I did not understand.

[SPEAKER_17]: I was like, why do I just want to do avoid the crying?

[SPEAKER_15]: I was about to say, Matt, you're so bad at this.

[SPEAKER_15]: You were like, here, take your picture and then it works.

[SPEAKER_15]: She cried.

[SPEAKER_15]: You were like, oh, well, come on.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I think I was supposed to be mad, ding-dong.

[SPEAKER_17]: I, I didn't want her to cry from it.

[SPEAKER_17]: I thought it was like, well, okay.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hey, here's something to remember me by, I guess.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: Anyways, uh, and then I called her a whore.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, to even it out.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: So then Harry shows up in the next scene with Pete and you know, doesn't know what's going on and they basically tell them like, hey, whether you like it or not you're in on this conspiracy and we will lock you in the store closet.

[SPEAKER_09]: We will actually kill you.

[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and we'll cut your throat like the fat piggy.

[SPEAKER_15]: Because also it's like, how come he's the only one that got that kind of update?

[SPEAKER_15]: Everybody else, like he was like, how come everybody else knows why they're here?

[SPEAKER_15]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because, because Harry's like Matt, where he has, you know, you have to order him around a little bit.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like me.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: I do have to be ordered around.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm someone who it's like people know they can like, he'll go along with it.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's easy.

[SPEAKER_17]: to be fair he was not upset about it like they know it's like I mean I'm in so he's just sort of happy to take orders that's a kind of yeah yeah they know they can just like pull him along and he'll do it anyways because if they don't they'll all stand up and stare at him at the same time and he would literally shit his pants [SPEAKER_17]: Um, so, uh, later we see Don and Betty gather the kids and do like a classic divorce conversation.

[SPEAKER_15]: This fucked me up.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, this one was hard.

[SPEAKER_17]: Sad.

[SPEAKER_17]: Cause like Bobby is like blaming himself is like it's just because of the time that I love your cuff links and it's just to see like the immediate thought process of a child.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was it was rough.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think they should have said yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like yeah, sorry.

[SPEAKER_15]: Honestly, I'm so proud.

[SPEAKER_15]: Don wasn't like no, but good note for later.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, good note for later.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know what Bobby.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is because of the cufflinks and that's why you should be good and listen to your parents.

[SPEAKER_09]: This could happen again.

[SPEAKER_15]: Don just takes the out because he doesn't want to talk about feelings.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_15]: I'm out of here.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: He should have said more or less.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, the kid oh yeah, it was and it wasn't the only factor, but yeah, I'm not going to say it played no part in this look.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm not going to blame it all on you But yeah, Sally meanwhile is like really mad and it's just like get away from me and [SPEAKER_17]: Betty has said that Bobby has said the whole scene is just a real.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's a real heart breaking scene especially because you It's like the only time in this episode where you see Betty Like display some emotion that isn't like spite Like or still showing emotion.

[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hangers me and makes me uncomfortable Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she like covers her eyes and you're just like oh, man, she is [SPEAKER_09]: And it doesn't, doesn't take much for Sally to blame her mom for something.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, how does she take it go?

[SPEAKER_15]: Sally is, the beginning of like a mine hunter or something.

[SPEAKER_17]: Something's going on.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: So then, uh, Don, after dealing with that, he brings his ass over to Peggy's place and uh, Don and Peggy talk.

[SPEAKER_17]: We say the title again.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, and he explains why he doesn't want to work at McCann.

[SPEAKER_17]: And that is, um, going to be a clip that I play in our segment that we occasionally do [SPEAKER_17]: What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know why I don't want to go to McCain?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can't work for anyone else.

[SPEAKER_07]: No.

[SPEAKER_07]: Because there are people out there who buy things.

[SPEAKER_07]: People like you and me.

[SPEAKER_07]: And something happened.

[SPEAKER_07]: Something terrible.

[SPEAKER_07]: And the way that they saw themselves is gone.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm going to understand that.

[SPEAKER_07]: But you do.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that's very valuable.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, is this something I'll quit it?

[SPEAKER_09]: Play that again because I have no idea what that is.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: I win until the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to go to McCain.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_17]: Why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can't work for anyone else.

[SPEAKER_17]: No, it's not that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Because there are people out there.

[SPEAKER_17]: There are people out there.

[SPEAKER_17]: There are people out there.

[SPEAKER_17]: People like you and me.

[SPEAKER_17]: You and me.

[SPEAKER_17]: And something happened.

[SPEAKER_17]: Something happened.

[SPEAKER_17]: Something terrible.

[SPEAKER_17]: Something terrible happened.

[SPEAKER_07]: And the way that they saw themselves.

[SPEAKER_17]: They're looking the mirror and they see.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's going.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm going to understand.

[SPEAKER_17]: You do and you understand that and that's very valuable.

[SPEAKER_17]: I okay, truly.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I'm lost my best guess If you listen to that he is Making that up as he goes along and he doesn't know where's going [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah And they just cut a scene where the door shuts and he just looks in himself like Whatever I might die my work who knows [SPEAKER_09]: He's just that guy that's just so used to getting by on good looks and vibes that he's like listen I I don't know where I was going with that.

[SPEAKER_17]: I really don't know No, it's not because I know I thought she was gonna say yes by then.

[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know what I said Usually we're fucking by this point [SPEAKER_17]: When I asked her, you know, do you know why I don't want to work at McKin and she accidentally answered the correct answer was just because I hate working for people I just said no and I didn't know where it was going to go.

[SPEAKER_15]: Every word was one foot after the other.

[SPEAKER_17]: Every word really was because there are people who buy things, people like you and me.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then something terrible happened that changed the way we feel about ourselves.

[SPEAKER_17]: And that's gone now.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like the war?

[SPEAKER_17]: And you get that.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's the fuck he's talking.

[SPEAKER_15]: It was like the only thing I'll say, it or not only, there's so many different but it's like just in terms of the job.

[SPEAKER_15]: When I first heard him say that, I thought he was trying to say, [SPEAKER_15]: emotionally or because she from jump knew that they needed the voice of a woman for that thing.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like kind of the way they told Pete that he sees things before they happen.

[SPEAKER_15]: I think he was trying to tell her that she has a version of that for speaking to new customers because she was right and that entire room of executives was wrong.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, or just the only thing that I buy by a birdie thing?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, the only thing I got from that is like, listen, Peggy.

[SPEAKER_09]: we're both poor and we know we know what it's like uh to be poor and not poor anymore and these other people they don't get it because they were never poor like I miss but that's like that's like me reading between the lot of lines.

[SPEAKER_15]: It really just reminds me of like what things happen like to us as individuals.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: So but mostly it just reminded me of like a Trump riff where you have no idea what he's dying and he's like the toilets you know you can't flush him anymore.

[SPEAKER_17]: you take a poop and it's just this you keep flushin' and flushin' I have to flush the toilet this four times and you guys know what that's it listen folks there people who want to buy things okay and something terrible happens something awful and it changed them forever I, and this is all adding up [SPEAKER_17]: And nobody gets that except you get that and it's very valuable.

[SPEAKER_14]: Oh my god, stop!

[SPEAKER_14]: Why is it live?

[SPEAKER_15]: That's so good.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's so creepy.

[SPEAKER_17]: I'm not sure if he's talking about the terrible thing being Kennedy being assassinated or the terrible thing being at that time Peggy gave up a baby.

[SPEAKER_15]: Why?

[SPEAKER_17]: We pulled this secret secret secret secret secret secret life.

[SPEAKER_15]: That's the biggest secret thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: You had a secret baby.

[SPEAKER_09]: I had a secret life.

[SPEAKER_09]: My dad got kicked by a horse.

[SPEAKER_17]: Kick to death by a horse, kick to death by a horse, kick to death by a horse.

[SPEAKER_17]: All right.

[SPEAKER_17]: Anyway.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's dead.

[SPEAKER_17]: Dead.

[SPEAKER_17]: The way that they see themselves is gone.

[SPEAKER_17]: Terrible thing.

[SPEAKER_17]: Anyway, so she agrees, I guess.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I mean, where he really sells her in that scene is like, what if I say no, you'll never speak to me again.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he said, I'll spend my rest of my life trying to hire you, which I'm like beautiful.

[SPEAKER_17]: He was probably so grateful because it's like, oh god, I need something else, please That was she gave me an out thank god.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and that is all Peggy's wanted in terms of p wanting nothing but the approval.

[SPEAKER_15]: She's like, I just want you to like be nice and treat me like a person Yeah, I just thought I'm good at this and you don't realize what a tall order that is for Don Draper, but like sure want that I guess [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you could just know that at this point you've done so much work better than these num schools.

[SPEAKER_15]: It's like at some point just look at the evidence, but whatever, right, women from the 50s.

[SPEAKER_17]: Right.

[SPEAKER_17]: And he understands that, you know, she's good, but he also is there's part of him that likes knowing that he has someone who's like, [SPEAKER_15]: He doesn't want fellow independence.

[SPEAKER_17]: He wants, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: That's why I think that's one of the reasons he also doesn't like Kenny is because like Kenny doesn't need him, you know?

[SPEAKER_17]: So Rodgers like, hey, we need a little bit more help getting all this together and calls up Joan.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, awesome moment because you're just like, you know, Joan has been putting a shitty position.

[SPEAKER_09]: DSS, DSX, not gonna, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: No, are you trying to do a knockers?

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah [SPEAKER_17]: That's really good actually, and yeah, so she's been in the situation where she's like she does need more work because her husband joined the fucking army and she shows up and you're like, yes This is the team I want so happy the only competent person at that whole [SPEAKER_15]: Roger will stay around because she's the his reason for living.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's like, yes I know where the bodies are buried and I brought a bag of lime everybody just calm down I got real.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, and I love that then Dawn shows up with Peggy and you're like, yeah The team's all here and you look at Pete and he's just like I cannot get away from this [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, oh my god, it's so funny again with Pete's ego and it's like Pete you're not that great You need people shut up like she's not obsessed with you broke home.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah So yeah, and I love that like Peggy like Rogers like I'm tired I want some coffee Peggy you go get me some coffee.

[SPEAKER_14]: He's like she's like no I love that so much.

[SPEAKER_14]: She doesn't even look up no [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then they got Sterling Cooper.

[SPEAKER_17]: The next, you know, day, uh, it is Monday.

[SPEAKER_17]: Lois is screaming.

[SPEAKER_17]: We've been robbed.

[SPEAKER_17]: She's crying.

[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, and like Lane, um, Lane gets a call from Singin.

[SPEAKER_17]: And we have, I love this too.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, it's so good.

[SPEAKER_15]: The, the, It's been a dorm at the old time.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, it is so, I mean, it's just one of those like the, uh, feels so good to watch.

[SPEAKER_17]: Here's that scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're fired.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're fired, but costing this company millions of pounds.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're fired for insubordination.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're fired for lack of character.

[SPEAKER_13]: There ain't good.

[SPEAKER_13]: Happy Christmas.

[SPEAKER_15]: There ain't a good.

[SPEAKER_15]: So British I love that that's the British version of fuck you fuck you.

[SPEAKER_15]: You're cool.

[SPEAKER_15]: Fuck.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, [SPEAKER_17]: Damn it.

[SPEAKER_17]: I like a little baby.

[SPEAKER_17]: A little baby when he's just, it's like him realizing like, you know, Peggy is just, you know, just better than you.

[SPEAKER_15]: So much better than him.

[SPEAKER_15]: So much better than you.

[SPEAKER_15]: He fucking, you know, it's, uh, he's just, You don't even write down your ideas.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, you don't write down your ideas.

[SPEAKER_17]: You forget them and then just hope that like, you know, you'll be able to rift something in the moment like he is terrible and he, you know, it's like the final insult to Paul, which is like that you were not asked to join the cool new company.

[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, he's so jealous.

[SPEAKER_17]: Um, and then last two scenes, Don calls Betty.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's no longer calling her a whore.

[SPEAKER_17]: He tells her he's not going to fight her over the divorce.

[SPEAKER_17]: And she, she, there's a pause and she says, you'll always be their father, which is like, [SPEAKER_17]: I mean, she cannot stop herself from saying, from being the coldest person in the world.

[SPEAKER_17]: Because like, you'll always be their father.

[SPEAKER_17]: It sounds like it could be a nice thing, but it also is just stating a fact.

[SPEAKER_15]: Right, you're just saying a thing that also doesn't really have anything to do with how she feels about him right just saying a thing we had kids together.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, we had kids together.

[SPEAKER_15]: RDA and I don't deny that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, yeah, it's just so it's such like a fucking cold moment because you just realize like, [SPEAKER_17]: you know, even in this like, you know, Dawn is attempting to be tender, attempting to be understanding, giving her something, and she, the sweetest she can be because of her waspine nature is to just say a fact.

[SPEAKER_17]: Well, you'll always be their father.

[SPEAKER_17]: So she nailed it though.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she did.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, you know, for her, that's the nicest thing she could say.

[SPEAKER_17]: And then there's a montage, Betty flies to Reno with Henry and the baby.

[SPEAKER_17]: Carla is taking care of Sally and Bobby which like I looked at that and I was like Jesus Christ that's fucked up like can't Don while you're gone take care of the children that are his I mean the craziest reveal to me during this whole thing is like [SPEAKER_09]: Don comes home drunk and he does that he does that shove on Betty and then you see that they have like a I don't know like a four-month-old Infant room.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes Room like me thinking back to that time like as a parent.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my god like the idea of like being out of the house doing Corporate fucking espionage at that point.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's just coming back to yell at your wife drunk with the baby in the room.

[SPEAKER_17]: So much going on [SPEAKER_17]: do it.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's so funny because it's like, like, Francesca and I have had fights while the baby was, you know, it was young and we would have whisper fights.

[SPEAKER_17]: Like, no matter how mad we got, we were just like, well, we don't want to deal with that fucking thing.

[SPEAKER_15]: Exactly, our one common goal even in this moment is to get that baby asleep Exactly, exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: Just to have the baby I don't care how many times you forget to take the trash out in them right exactly.

[SPEAKER_17]: I could have like fucking Accidentally run your mom over with my Kia and I still would have been whisper-fighting All right, it's broken She'll never be just like never [SPEAKER_17]: But yeah, so then Carlos, you can't take care of Sally and Bobby, and Dawn walks over to his new Manhattan apartment, the pussy layer, 2.0, fucking shucky town.

[SPEAKER_14]: Don't do that, don't do that!

[SPEAKER_14]: Because I was so sad when this happened real time, and then you just said, he's so cute, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, well, you know, that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, listen, he's free.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's free, man.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, but he's so sad.

[SPEAKER_17]: He's gonna reconnect with mid, maybe.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, maybe we'll reconnect with mid, maybe he'll get it.

[SPEAKER_15]: What's teacher, lady?

[SPEAKER_15]: She just disappeared.

[SPEAKER_17]: I know, teacher lady has just gone at this point and I'm just like, why?

[SPEAKER_15]: And isn't she still Sally's teacher?

[SPEAKER_15]: I guess we'll see what happens.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, oh, she's dead because he forgot to poke holes in the car.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's right, she died in the car.

[SPEAKER_15]: He died in the car.

[SPEAKER_15]: No, because she checks on him because I thought she was going to go bonkers.

[SPEAKER_15]: I think she has, I don't know, she's got a crazy streak in her.

[SPEAKER_15]: I thought she was going to come in the house, but she like played at cool.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was like, oh my god, are you okay?

[SPEAKER_15]: But I was like, what is happening?

[SPEAKER_15]: Like the whole time she was at home.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was like, where is she?

[SPEAKER_09]: One of our commenters pointed out that I guess Matthew Wiener's original idea was that she should die in the car Like with that that he actually pitched that no you mean like yeah, they park in the garage with the with the ignition Running or something yeah, like no, she dies it like she falls asleep and dies of heat stroke or something like that That was at the winner pitch that apparently.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, or that's what we want to overcome it.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love that idea Check that one.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_17]: It's just like yeah, it'd be fun [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you know what Donnie that this one is life mistress blood on his hands for sure, yeah [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, so that is the episode, um, is there anything we missed, uh, a favorite scene that you want to talk about, a least favorite scene you want to talk about, or something we missed Vince?

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, we talked about my main favorite scenes, which were like the book depository joke and, uh, Dawn like shoving Betty while she was in bed.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, [SPEAKER_09]: The one we didn't talk about was the first time they talked to Lane.

[SPEAKER_09]: I forget what, I forget exactly what Roger Sterling says, but he's like, calm down, we have T.

Right, right, right, yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Katrina, favorite scene, at least favorite scene, or something we didn't talk about that you want to talk about.

[SPEAKER_15]: Um, I think my favorite was definitely seeing Joan.

[SPEAKER_15]: I was so happy because I feel like also a threat through of this season has been her being good at everything.

[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_15]: Like in the John deer scene, like she just constantly a jack of all traits and everything.

[SPEAKER_15]: So I just loved her having like a triumphant moment at the end of all this.

[SPEAKER_15]: Now that her baby husband is gone and I love any time Roger calls her [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, that's mine as well.

[SPEAKER_17]: It was my favorite part.

[SPEAKER_17]: And I think right before that the scene where Roger and then they're all there and they're like, Ah, we need to we can't get into this room.

[SPEAKER_17]: Are we need to know where these files are and he immediately is like, I know exactly who to call and it just reminded me of [SPEAKER_17]: the scene that they had together in which Joan calls him for a favor being like hey could you uh if you hear of any job opening somewhere can you let me know and he says you know I'm just glad that I can be the guy that people call for favors like that you can call for favors like he likes that and I love that he returns the favor um immediately and it's just like I know exactly who to call is very sweet they belong together [SPEAKER_17]: I know, but yeah, if I had to give this episode a letter grade man This is gonna shock you guys Hmm, because I know what is it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know me what it is.

[SPEAKER_17]: No, no, no, I know you have to tell me It's I will talk you have to tell me.

[SPEAKER_17]: So obviously we do a bit where we obviously give it the same grade every time and stuff like that And like you know, it's fun and we laugh and stuff, but this time I'm I'm honestly I'm giving this one a B plus Vince, what would you give this episode of you?

[SPEAKER_09]: Wow, I can't believe you did that like that's just a shocking turn.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I hate that you did that and I don't think we can be friends after this Oh, as for myself I'm gonna break from that and give this one a solid be put That's stupid and yeah, Katrina if you had to give this a letter grade and you do what would you give it?

[SPEAKER_15]: You know, for enjoyment level, I would give it an A, but because of what Vince and I talked about earlier about if you were watching this real time, this would have not given me enough of a fanat like, I would have wanted more.

[SPEAKER_15]: So I'm gonna give it a B plus two.

[SPEAKER_17]: Wow, wow, three B plus is equals one giant B plus it is a B plus episode of madman and an A plus plus plus plus episode of mad yourself a man Katrina Davis Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and talking madman with us of course.

[SPEAKER_15]: Thank you so much for having me of course.

[SPEAKER_17]: Where can people find you?

[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, you can find me at Katrina Savad, SIVAD.

[SPEAKER_15]: It's just Davis backwards on everything.

[SPEAKER_15]: And I just started posting clips on Reddit and I'm trying to put more longer sets on my YouTube.

[SPEAKER_15]: So any of those things.

[SPEAKER_17]: You will find all of those links in our show description.

[SPEAKER_17]: Please follow her on all the social medias.

[SPEAKER_17]: And yeah, Katrina, lovely having you on.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, thank you for coming on.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hey, Trillon.com, let's broadcast.

[SPEAKER_17]: $8 here gets you a shout out.

[SPEAKER_17]: You got a prep school name from good old Vince Mancini.

[SPEAKER_17]: And Vince, we have a lot of names this week.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, geez.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, people were eager to get one in under the wire.

[SPEAKER_17]: And so we have a few.

[SPEAKER_17]: And so I hope you have that hat on because we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 names, all right, and we're starting with Ace McWicked, that is the only name I could find on the account and Ace McWicked.

[SPEAKER_09]: This guy really needs a nickname.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I know he paid a new zeal and dollars maybe though.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, he's from in we call this guy's dead Because he's from MZ Z is dead no, Z is well red I don't know we call this guy the killie [SPEAKER_17]: Anyways, all right, next name, this is a shoutout for someone who did signed up their friend for a shoutout, or wife for a shout-in, in fact.

[SPEAKER_17]: So we're going to shout out Brinley Cohen, who emailed us to let us know that Brinley was the one who signed up Natalie Cohen, which is a name we gave a shout out to earlier on.

[SPEAKER_17]: And, uh, Brinley is another female listener and wanted to let us know that, yes, we do indeed have female listeners.

[SPEAKER_17]: So, Brinley, or sorry, Brinley, call in, give a name.

[SPEAKER_09]: Mmm, we're calling.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're calling them all.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think we called Natalie this side.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to call Brinley, um, the executioner.

[SPEAKER_17]: Whoa, Brinley, call in, the executioner.

[SPEAKER_17]: Judge Jerry and Brynn Lee.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay next is Andrew Robertson.

[SPEAKER_09]: Andrew Robertson would a name so many avenues for Nicky.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're calling this guy Iceland.

[SPEAKER_09]: Why?

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, because his name follows Icelandic naming convention.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, Robert's son.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_17]: Robert's son or Abu Robert, if you would, if you prefer.

[SPEAKER_17]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, next is our listener Riaz Abdullah, who by the way pointed out that he knows he speaks Portuguese.

[SPEAKER_17]: So he very much enjoyed my girlfriend, Mipanima, that starts off with Portuguese singing about...

Yeah, I didn't even go back and listen before.

[SPEAKER_17]: You got to listen, it's in Portuguese.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, which you've described as a deaf Frenchman speaking Italian speaking Spanish, but either one Oh, sorry.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_17]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_17]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_17]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, Italian is just someone speaking Spanish rapist to me.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[SPEAKER_09]: So reasabdala.

[SPEAKER_17]: Hey, we call this guy the reasler.

[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, I can't do better than that.

[SPEAKER_17]: Four more names.

[SPEAKER_17]: Kyle to Haven.

[SPEAKER_17]: De Haven.

[SPEAKER_17]: Oh [SPEAKER_09]: We're going we call this guy Lair because he's going back to his Lair or his he's going back to Dehaven You get it That's what I would have done But I'm an idiot okay Megan Lawson Oh This is the Lawson she's [SPEAKER_17]: You can't son of you can't do Iceland again dude.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no, I wasn't thinking it like She's making me horny.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm don't I don't know Losson Losson [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, this is why I limit us to like four at most.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, that's a tough one Megan Lawson, we call it dread because she's laying down the loss and oh, I like I am the loss I am the loss and Timothy Peagrum [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, P-Gram, I love sending the P-Gram.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, here's my piss in a letter.

[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, my god, this guy.

[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_14]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_17]: We call this guy water sports.

[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, thank you, Timothy B.

Grimm, and finally our last name is Justin and Fenson.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm Fenson, Jensen.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, we call this guy the consonant, because the name has got too many of them.

[SPEAKER_17]: The consonant, Gardner.

[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_16]: Ah yeah, ah yeah, keep going.

[SPEAKER_16]: Ah yeah, ah yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I love that song, dude.

[SPEAKER_09]: Was that in the constant gardener?

[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's like throughout the whole thing is yeah.

[SPEAKER_16]: Ah yeah, ah yeah, it's so good, dude.

[SPEAKER_09]: I haven't still never seen that movie, so like my two references are the fact that Elaine from Seinfeld hated it and then also the Rob Delaney.

[SPEAKER_17]: She hated the English patient.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, we'll same thing kind of same uh and then the Rob Delaney tweet about the constant gardener too Still fucking gardener.

[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that's good to eat and those are the shoutouts for this week and the season the season is done [SPEAKER_17]: The season has done everyone, and if you waited patiently to hear your name and you didn't, seriously, email us, and we will fucking respond, and we will, you know, we will do a shout out, you just fell through the cracks.

[SPEAKER_17]: So please let us know if you did fall through the cracks, fracast at gmail.com, and patreon.com.

[SPEAKER_17]: slash broadcast please subscribe now so that you can be listening to us even through this season break of mad yourself a man so do it now listen to what's every week you don't want to miss it because you'll miss us while we're taking a little break so do it patreon.com slash broadcast Vince what is a google voice number four one five two seven five zero zero three zero all right everyone thanks again so much for listening and until next time [SPEAKER_17]: I don't think about you at all.

[SPEAKER_17]: I told you I met someone named Henry, and he couldn't see you Bad and bad, so you met someone, and now I don't know how it feels Bad and bad, so you've been unfit for two Bitch, I'm about to kill you, because the family is now in pieces And my job is down to you [SPEAKER_17]: We're a fire, better, better, you are worse than that horse who took my dad's life We're okay, and good luck to you You lost me stuck up through you Better, better for him [SPEAKER_17]: I'm at the number one ad man in New York City You look at the world I saw you met someone who leaked your flavor list to Better, better, so you met someone who likes islands while he screws Better, better, so you gave him your heart to Guess he likes them cold and blue And you do, for seeing me in Reno [SPEAKER_17]: So you're rid of me, the man who, in your life, better better Hanging crats on me and someone's saying, why?

[SPEAKER_17]: Ooh, ran, hallelujah, my dick don't belong to you Better better for him, pussy pussy pussy for me [SPEAKER_17]: All right Vince what why?