Hey, oh, that's what's going on.

It's probably my there.

We go.

The.

It's only appropriate to start this episode with some context because we actually tried to film it once and then Jared got a phone call.

That quite literally changed my life.

When we started filming that episode, you weren't a dad, and now you are a dad.

Dude, this, this pod and this, this shootout and what we're doing is going to hold a very special place in my heart because yes, when we first tried to film this, First off, we were having such a great time.

We were just laughing and and geeking out over tones.

And that morning I had to go to the doctor and they said, oh, they looked at my wife in an ultrasound.

They said, oh, this baby might need to come out.

And she goes, just go do the pod.

Nothing's going to happen today.

You'll be fine.

I was like, well, call me if anything happens.

And then I thought I had my ringer on, dude.

It wasn't on.

It was on vibrate.

Yeah, it was on vibrate.

So that didn't help.

And then she calls and says, you know, we have to go to the hospital right now, which I think you have that footage.

I'm.

Going to check your phone, I saw it light.

Up.

Oh, did it.

Oh, shit, She said call me back.

So let me call her.

Really.

Oh, she called me three times.

Fuck.

All right, you got to go to the hospital.

It's time.

I think's wrong.

Baby's fine, but like.

They just said it's not worth the risk.

Holy fuck it's happening.

It's happening.

OK.

Sorry.

I'm coming home.

All right.

Love you.

Bye.

Dude.

I'm so fucking sorry.

Most epic podcast cut in history.

Listen, you gotta go have a baby.

Listen.

We'll resume this episode later.

My wife is pregnant and I'm going to go have a baby.

Flash forward like 6 hours later, I was a dad.

But with all that being said, the power of rock.

Your tone is like 6% better after being a dad after.

Tone, dude.

Now, now when people say, oh, this guy's like got like dad tone or he's like, he just listens like dad rock.

It's kind of true, man.

I can't.

I can't say I don't you.

Know dude, I got I got another little memento for you.

Oh.

You son of a gun dude I love.

It check it out from Uncle T.

Uncle T ABCD dude.

I'm going to put him in that later dude.

Oh, thanks buddy.

He's.

Ready to rock now officially.

That's so funny.

ABC little baby Jet.

All right, let's do this bro.

So we have a clon centric episode for you.

This is going to entail a shootout.

It'll dabble in our history with the Clon Centaur.

What makes it so special or not special at all?

And I have here a curated collection of clon clones.

This is a serious collection, my guy.

I've spent years in Odyssey with the Clon Centaur, acquiring some of the greatest specimens that I could find, and these are apparently them.

So we're going to go through these pedals.

But first, Jared, I want to talk about the Clon Centaur, what it means to you.

When did you first become aware?

That 4 letter word man cloned.

I want to get that tattooed on me somewhere I think.

OK, my whole back story with the clon started way back in at the end of 2007.

Long story short, I was going to Berkeley in Boston.

There was a kid there named Ricky.

Don't know whatever happened to Ricky.

Ricky, if you're watching this, what's up, man?

He.

All knew Ricky.

You know Ricky, but dude, he had the killer gear back then.

Like he had like APRS.

I don't know what I said last time, but I called it like a select.

A super select.

He had a super select PRS.

Private stock Super select.

Private stock, you know, crazy on but he I remember he ran 2 vibro verbs and we were all like whoa dude.

He listen to Mike Landau dude.

He's got that wet, dry.

Wet, Yeah, dude.

He's wet, dry, wet, dude.

And we're over here like, with like, front men, Fender front men, dude.

And he had a clan.

And I remember I didn't even realize what it was all about, but he was telling us one day at lunch, he's like, yeah, dude.

I ordered some other ones from this guy who makes them here in Boston and he said he couldn't fill in my order and it's been like 6 months.

And then he told me he's going to kill himself.

And I'm like, what the hell is going on here?

So I didn't think anything about it until flash forward probably 20/17/2018 when I got to try a clown out.

And I was like, I've just been a tube screamer guy.

You know, I've, I've, I haven't delved that far into, you know, different overdrives.

Of course I've, I've tried them all right at this point like a rat.

I I had a I remember I had that Satriani.

Oh, the Saturator.

Yeah, dude, I love that pedal.

That's a killer pedal.

I wish I still had it.

MXR, you know, Dunlop stuff, whatever, DS ones.

But then when I found this, I was like something about this.

And since I play with my fingers at this time, it was like a perfect kind of like culmination.

I remember a friend of mine in 20, end of 2018, going into 2019, he actually let me borrow a clon.

He had like 5 of them, 5 silvers.

All.

I remember is I played it and I hit that first note.

You ever have it where you hit a note and you go and it just keeps going?

Yeah.

It was one of those moments I was like like, there's that magic feedback Y thing where all of a sudden and it's not even like necessarily like check this out but it just happens and you like surprise yourself.

That happened with the Klon and I used it probably for like 2 years.

When he goes, hey man, I need that pedal back because I think because of you may I don't know who it was because of.

Well, that brings us around to my introduction, because that was right around 2020.

Give me the scoop I bought.

A client centre in the COVID times because we're all trapped inside and I was just going through my laundry list of ideas because I had literally nothing else to do and I just kept coming across what is a client?

What's, what's the deal with the client?

There were videos on YouTube detailing the history and what it is.

It's historical value to artists and things, but why it was so valuable was just because of how rare they are.

Yeah, there's 8000 or so ever made by hand, Bill Finnegan in Boston.

In case you don't know the history of the Klon, there's your one O 1.

But these are legendary pedals due to their rarity.

So there's an exclusive context and that is probably what attracted to me most because I was looking through other famous rare pedals like a Fuzz Face or like an Arbiter fuzz old wah pedal like a.

68 box script, which is like Hendrix issue.

I think it comes back to like that.

It's like Hendrix stuff.

What did Hendrix play?

What did Eddie Van Halen play?

What did Stevie play?

So like old TS-9, old TS-8 away.

It's those are a lot of money now too.

So that's the conversation that the Klon is the king of.

It's the.

It's the holographic 1st edition Charizard.

Yeah, of the guitar pedal world.

It really is.

And when I bought it, it was about 4800 bucks.

I think it came up to 5 grand after I'd pay the import duties from Luxembourg.

That's where I bought it from.

I've made, I thought, every video possible, but I've never really collaborated with such an avid clon user as yourself.

You've been around the world with your clon and that's pretty much all you use.

Well, yeah, that's all I use.

It's not just a gimmick to you.

We're going to explore what about the clon can be considered a gimmick when we get to the shootout.

So this clon that everyone's staring at right here, Joe Bottamassa gave me that clon.

This one, right?

Yes.

So after my friend took the one back I was like could you call a clon head?

You heard Clawn head.

Yeah, you're like you were a clawn head.

Before you had a clawn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's how it happens.

I was like, I need that tone.

So I went and got one of those.

Have you heard of those Syria tones?

No, they look just like it.

OK.

And I was like, OK, cool.

But there's something about it.

Love it or hate it.

It's like playing a 59 Les Paul.

It's like playing a 100 Watt super lead, an original.

When you have that, it gives you something else in your whole mind.

Of course, what you're doing right now is putting on display the absolute brainwash that we as gearheads.

Drank it.

I drank the Kool-aid.

I drank.

The kool-aid as long as we could, but what you're also describing is something very real, which is ceiling that activates something different in your brain to play a certain way.

It's not necessarily the sound as different as we may a foreshadowing, it's that the player is different because of whatever brain chemistry is happening because they clicked on a switch.

Yeah, it makes me hold my breath because it's like when I the first time I played a real deal 50s gold top, a good one, and I played it on stage.

And I just remember that feeling where I was like, holy shit, the pearls in the in the treasure chest, man.

And I remember I said to Joe, I called him desperately one day.

I remember I was at home and I was like, hey dude, do you have a clon I can borrow for a little while?

Because like you're the only person I know that would probably be like, yeah.

And what, within 2 seconds he's like, yeah, of course I do.

I get the clon.

I bring it home and I text you and I'm like, I plug it in and right away I was like, I had my first hit again.

Nice.

I was like, that's the sound that's stuff.

And then he I text him.

I was like, dude, thank you so much.

I will take care of this.

Like, you know, I will let out of my sight kind of vibe.

And he goes, and I said, if you'd ever, you know, want to sell it or whatever, you know, maybe down the road I could, you know, I could finance it.

Yes.

And.

I'll give you a dollar a day for the rest of my life.

7500 days.

What are they worth now?

Like 5 to 10 grand we'd.

Have to look it up, probably something like that.

But then he texts me back and he goes and he, I was about to go on the road myself and he goes, hey dude, listen, the money that you'd spend on a clon will do better for you actually having your tour be a success.

The clon is a gift for me.

Wow.

And I couldn't believe it.

What a guy.

What a guy.

So I love you, Joe.

Thank you, Joe.

That's the story of that clon.

So that also is like now a personal, you know what I mean?

This is a silver faced clon or just a silver no horsey clon?

Is that what?

You call it, I don't.

Know I don't know if there's a proper name.

A silver clon.

I have a golden horsey.

You got you got the big doggy.

I don't know.

I think there's an even bigger long tail Centaur than this, which is long tail.

This is technically.

OK, hold on, hold on.

Tell the people what that means.

Well.

This is a short tail.

It's kind of cut off.

You can see this one is emulating a long tail, this little baby.

We'll go through what these petals are in a moment, but yeah, there's an even longer extension of the Klon Centaur tail on the artwork, and mine is a shorter one, but still, I think sought after.

Oh yeah, So we have a silver like that and then there's a gold, which is no logo.

Then there's like a bronze, like a it's even like a dark, almost like a penny looking color yours right there, which is our horsey short tail.

Then we have a horsey long tail in gold and then we have a silver horsey long tail.

Which is the rarest?

I'm pretty sure that's the rare dog.

Silver Horsey.

Those never comes dog, a friend, a friend, rarest horse, rarest pony.

That's the shell pony did a friend of mine was like, what is your tone?

And I think at this point I was playing to like a 5150 like Eddie Head and I had that and I had a Les Paul and I was like, it's literally we, I turned the pedal off and it was just kind of like regular amp sound.

I was like, it's that pedal that night.

He's like, he told me he's like, dude, I went and bought a silver, like a silver Horsey.

And I was like, yeah, how much did that run you?

I want to say you probably paid.

I think you said close to 10.

10 grand, the rarest of the horses.

I don't even think that there's anything different whatsoever in the genetics.

It's only the way that.

It looks, let's show the people, or if you're listening, we'll let you hear what exactly the Clon is, what it does.

We have a Fender Princeton and we have a Marshall JCM 800.

We can switch between amp sounds because the Clon does something different to a clean amp versus, Oh yes, sounds.

So we'll just start with the Princeton.

Just describe how you would adjust your tone with a clean amp and a clon.

OK, since I'm an absolute derelict who has no morals or higher society things, I would probably push this amp as hard as it would go, yes.

It would go all the way up.

It'd go all the way up and then I'd pop the clon on it.

It just depends what the amp gives me.

I mean, I've had it where I go on a stage, literally plug in the clon.

It's like I use that almost as an amplifier on even if an amp you're playing through bad amp because it's like, oh man, I got to play through this.

I don't even know it, but on the fly you can it.

Just overrides.

It overrides tone exactly.

It overrides with syrup.

So this will give us a very clear idea of what the Clon's actually doing.

And then we'll put it in the Marshall, which is more of a traditional way you would use it.

So right now we're here's our our tone from little bit of reverb.

That's great.

So let's see what the clon does.

You want to hello.

The.

To my ears right away click that thing off.

Give so much life to it but really enhances what the amp is already giving you, which is a beautiful clean.

I love that amp, the Fender Prince.

Amazing, by the way, it.

Just turns up all the goodness of the amp, which I think is what every Clon clone tries to do, is emulate that feeling of giving you the amp sound that you love already and just enhancing and make it a little easier to play.

It seem like your dynamics were so much more articulate.

Yeah, so even even like on a player level where and I'm not even going to say just the OG does this because whatever, but when when you click that pedal on it all of a sudden just gave me like that extra juice.

But also like I, I was playing this and I started to.

And that's not just a volume boost, there's something magical in the mid range.

Oh yeah, let's say I'm playing like something bluesy in this amp right here and I'm on the neck pickup.

Now this doesn't sound bad.

Give me some Clawnded.

It's like it makes everything a little bit easier to play and also like it just hones in on certain frequencies that are super pleasant to hear.

And as we push the gain up, we were at about 10:00.

So we'll start.

You can start grooving at 10:00 and I'll move it on.

So here's where I was and what's happening too.

I hope it's being translated, but it's not turning anything Brill or sharp or like oh man.

Just feels right under your fingers.

So we're dangerously close to the sweet spot of what most people will say is in the clon pedal, which is gain around

2:00.

This is what I've read Clon Centaur lore centelore we have.

Centelore.

There's actually a little mark on yours too.

So if I don't, if you notice, look at here.

You see on mine there's that little mark.

I was there when I got it, but this is about the range.

Right.

Is there a little mark on mine?

There's a little one, but yours is a little further up.

I don't, I don't know if I'm just discovering these like see what I want to see, or if every client has a different mark on it and that's where you got to put the game knob like I watched.

This movie last night and he has to examine this book this guy bought.

It's like a supposedly written by the devil.

Yeah, there's only two other in existence, but he's going into it and looking into all these little parallels and they're like, not all three of them are the same.

There's little Marks and where the marks are, it's the same shit with the Quan dude.

So you're sweet spot, it's

generally around 1:00 to 2:30 and we'll hear what that sounds like.

And this is generally where you'll hear the clipping at its potential, I suppose.

And remember, we're going through a really, really clean amp.

I'm getting the clip.

You're on that clip zone, dude.

Dude, it is your spot, I'm telling you.

You know, I never noticed that and for me to play with my fingers and pop it has like a it has a bounce dude.

Once you hit that sweet spot, it's like when you get a car that like runs really good, like an old car and then you're like, all right, 6566 I'm in the zone.

It runs just per.

Yep, just just for fun.

We'll see what the Max game just feels like.

I'll go slowly up to Max.

Here's our regular sign.

Here you go.

It's insane man.

It's it's it's own amp.

It's insane the range and I think that I fully drank the kool-aid and I'll admit it, but you can't deny that how cool that is.

And the other part about this, that pedal, I don't know the exact serial number offhand.

I'm not like Rick Neilson where he's like T9433, but that's from the mid 90s.

And they say like the Clown was one of the first boutique pedals.

So think about it like easily 30 years old, built by hand and it just does that.

Like price aside.

In like Laura side, that's a great pedal.

That's just a pedal anyone would like to own.

Sure, yeah.

So it makes sense that we have many, many, many, many, many clones that have come out on our markets for really I think maybe since that kind of clon resurgence in the.

I blame you a little bit.

Bro I I take responsibility.

Yeah, you're, you're one of the punks.

I'm glad to be part of it and I didn't know.

I didn't know what was happening.

But your video too, I remember watching it during the pandemic where the dude from JHS Josh, yes, he pops in.

He's like partying.

I was like, this is gold.

That was one of my favorites.

He got the original first clon.

He's he's a great dude.

The thing about the clown for me is you could say that I represent the posers of the world, the people who know nothing.

Like I don't go out and use it on stage necessary.

I use it in my own stage, put it that way.

But my interest in the clown, my perspective was I don't know anything about this other than that it's rare and all my favorite guitar players or guitar heroes use it.

So there has to be something about it.

And discovering through the lens of somebody who really doesn't know much beyond what you can find on the Internet, I think was really the impetus for me going down the clon rabbit hole, clon Centaur hole.

I'm going to, that sounded weird.

I'm going to say this though, you're not a poser bro, because watching you in that video, when you plugged it in, you started to play.

I saw the excitement translate.

You saw the light in my eye, Yeah.

Dude, I saw you have that little look in your eye, you know it's flickering.

It was like your first time with the clon and I saw it dude, and I know it.

So can we really quick before we get to the full clon clone shootout, can we just compare yours and mine our clones, our clones?

You want to compare.

You want to compare clones.

Put everything at noon to start and we're going to go back and forth.

One will be my clon, 2 is Jared's.

OK, here we start with one.

I don't know if anybody those were two back-to-back.

If you're watching, then you could see.

If you're listening, you probably didn't hear much of a difference.

I didn't really.

I didn't really hear any difference.

You kind of turned my gain up a hair I feel like to match yours.

Yeah, I might have given you either a little bit much or a little, but it's they feel exactly the same.

They feel and and under the fingers like I couldn't if I was standing on stage playing and you were, you're in the back like, Hey, I wouldn't know.

I really wouldn't know because they they have the same breath.

And now here's that other part of it, like as we start to compare clones, I'm lucky to have one of these originals and lucky to play it, and I will do so as long as I'm able to have it.

But that's not to say any of these are bad pedals or anything.

No, you don't need a clon.

Let's let's make that very clear.

That original circuit, it's, it's something so amazing that I think that that's why it's celebrated so much.

And with all these, it's like what?

My Clon's only $64.

It's like, that's great.

I got to ask another wish clon.

I think that's what this is.

This is a wish clon.

Is it wish.com?

Yeah, wish.com.

So I I got, we'll just use your silver face, silver clon for the purposes of this shootout.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we've got the OG clon, the next in our lineup.

This will be pedal 2.

This is the Stumat Ghost Drive, which is a pedal that you assemble yourself.

So you made that?

Yep.

How long did it take you?

12 minutes for real.

Yeah, holy, super simple.

That's really cool.

We have the The Wish clon.

The baby.

Make a wish Foundation clon and I don't know where I got this to be honest with you.

I seriously, I think it is from wish.com.

This one is another fucking clon clone.

That's the name of it from Acorn amplifiers.

Yeah, they're highly self aware company them.

So we have not a clon up next from JHS pedals another you made it right.

Build your own clon.

How long did that take you this?

One was about 14 minutes, but I was I was really interested in the switch we.

Got to go through all.

That yeah, yeah.

Finally the Wampler Tumnus which is a different presentation the the newer version of this pedal looks different.

This one is a really great pedal.

I've had this one for almost 10 years.

Now when I think I've heard of that pedal a ton, people that tell me oh they have a clon clone, they'll say I have a tumness or I've heard we don't have one here but an Archer.

Yep, I've heard Archer was was J.

Rocket.

J Rocket Audio, I've heard those are amazing.

I saw those one time at A at a NAMM show I think.

And I was looking at them and I was just kind of studying them and the guy looked at me.

He's like, you good dude, like the J Rocket guy.

I was like, I'm great dude.

And that was at the end of our conversation.

I just felt weird.

I was like, I don't know what else to say.

J Rocket short and sweet.

So we will find out just if any of these clon clones can hold up to the original.

Never been done before, whether or not you have a clon, what it does to your playing.

We'll see if that can actually translate.

So we'll start with the OG here and I'm going to put everything as far as gain goes around.

Nice dude, what are your thoughts?

As we move through these pedals, I have all the knobs about equal.

As we know there are some slight discrepancies with where pedal manufacturers choose to put their five volume versus another one, but that was about close.

As far as volume everything, I feel like some need a little bit more gain to truly activate.

So at a lower gain level you can hear the character of the pedals more I think.

So the ones that didn't have the strongest character at that gain level I think could bode for how they perform.

But I could be wrong about that.

Maybe they just don't have the right sweet spots dialed in yet.

I agree with that underneath the fingers.

OK, I know what the silver feels like.

Of course, the Stu Mac, you came up on that a little bit.

It needed it.

The wish.com pretty good that acorn, the right term isn't it's dirtier, but like it was already starting to break up the nauticlon.

When you click between the acorn and the Nauticlon, it was a lot cleaner and and it's it's way it was, it was still super punctual, but it was cleaner.

And then the Tumnus, that one just had like a really nice.

That one I almost thought the claw was on.

Yeah, I.

Almost thought the claw was on.

Was the claw on that?

Tumnus was very good out of that for as a player I would say my 2 favorites were the acorn because it was already giving me more than I was asking for so I was like oh hey how you doing?

And the Tumnus.

OK, now we're going to go to sweet spot.

Now I don't think any of these petals have little sweet spots on them like your OG one clearly does, but the sweet sweet spot?

Somewhere between 2:00 and 2:30.

Let's hit the bass boost on this one.

Phase boost on that.

Oh, what's that actually OK.

They all sound pretty good, right?

Different strokes for different folks.

I feel like though the Ghost Drive, the Wish, and even the Acorn, they start to sound like a different pedal a little bit.

Yeah, right around this sweet spot search, we start to reveal the true nature of each of these pedals because that's as we laid out, that's where the Clon shines, is this type of gain stage.

So this is not necessarily, like you said, a bad sound coming out of any of these pedals, but not a Clon clone.

It not a clon these.

These these ghost drive wish and acorn great sounds, not quite measuring up nearly as well.

The not a clon I think was doing OK, but when we kicked on that switch became sort of a different pedal.

Yes, the Tumnus I think overall is the best so far.

The Tumnus.

And what's funny is it's one fifth side.

Yeah, it's just a little guy.

It's just a little a little fawn.

It's just a fawn.

Centaur Ling.

Yeah, it's what do you call a mini sentence?

He's only got 2 legs.

Little Centaur Ling.

He.

Hasn't grown his ass.

That's the thing, and this is no slight on any of this stuff, but when you clicked in those three on the bottom here, Ghost Drive, the the Wish and the Acorn, I started to get the feeling that it started to go somewhere else, like vocally, if that makes sense.

With the Centaur, the original, as you push the the gain up, if you start that thing again, the original and put the gain all the way up, raise it lower.

That to me feels like the same pedal just being turned down.

I felt like with some of these ghost, these ones once you started to get the certain threshold.

And that's an amp thing.

Ideally the way you describe your perfect amp is it sounds good at any stage.

Sometimes there's amps where you turn it up, it's a sweet spot.

Then attenuators made that possible to do it at a reasonable decibel level.

But and good amps will sound good cleaned up or pushed.

Good amps also have really great sweet spots 100%.

So this is again, it's almost an amplifier in itself.

So let's.

Remember where we're starting.

Can't reiterate it enough, so now for fun we'll turn the gain all the way up.

Yes, do it.

We haven't really dabbled.

There's a treble knob on all of these which could activate certain frequencies in these, but for the sense of shootout it's really more about the gain situation.

The treble being neutral I think is an accurate way to display these, so we'll go gain maxed out.

Max of Gaines.

Let's go, baby.

This is always my favorite thing to do.

Turn the knobs all the way up.

All right, games are maxed.

We'll start with the OG Kabam.

The.

The.

Get that OG one more time.

What are your thoughts?

Well, the ones that weren't quite impressing me and all other stages of this shootout were sort of the standouts.

When you turn the gain all the way up, it's almost like that's the best version of them.

Again, into this clean platform.

This is surprising to me, actually.

I didn't really like the toughness as much in that state.

Or is it possible to get some sort of fatigue?

I felt thewish.com kind of.

We both looked at each other.

Well, like the wish thing, all of a sudden it was just like it just like opened it up.

The wish came true, yeah.

Our wishes finally came true at full game.

The way to run the Wish Clown is to turn the game all the way.

Up the original it sounded great, you could tell it was being pushed as far as it could go.

Ghost Drive was OK, it didn't retain a lot of the at least when I was playing it didn't feel like it was retaining a lot of the clarity.

Wish had a shit ton more treble.

It had a lot more like of that high end thing.

The acorn kind of started to almost like have like a mid scoop to it.

I've had I've felt that the Acorn is by far the most modern sounding in the most agreeable I would say to a modern guitarist.

Yeah, I think that Acorn is really ticking the boxes for like if you wanted to get a Clon clone that probably sits amazing in a rig, that'd probably be it.

At least it's another one.

Well, it's another fucking clon.

The Nauticlon sounded pretty good.

Yeah, I I think that that had a really good.

It's a nice, nice foundation.

Yeah, no, there I no no complaints on that.

I still am trying to think is that like a regular and then a base boost?

Is that what that is?

Well, it was a volume boost and it's over near the volume, which is in the wrong spot as we've said.

So perhaps some sort of instruction manual reading would reveal, but to my ear it boosts the volume and maybe some sort of.

Let me hit it one more time, yes?

OK, let's see.

So negative meaning off I guess.

Dang.

That plus like a boost.

It's like a boost dude.

Boost of all things.

It's like a clon boost.

Remember where we start.

The fact that all these pedals are doing what they're doing to me is very impressive.

So that's your Marshall.

Clean, sound clean.

Clean.

Yeah, I love that.

What's your clean sound bro?

Sounds great.

So traditional.

The Spot.

Demonstrate how you might, because this is maybe an amp platform that you would more normally have for sure when you're playing your own music.

So how would you interact with the amp in the clon in this way?

OK, so here's my.

This is what I would do.

Instinctively, I would.

So that to me, me, it feels a little bit on the bright side.

Instead of touching the amp, I would take that treble and put it down to about 11:00.

If you would do that, kind Sir, just to cut off a little bit of that top end.

And then I would put my gain at

about 12:00, take the treble down a hair more.

And then I would, I just rock my absolute guts out.

But I would use my, I'd use my volume knob.

See, the way that I like to play, especially with the clown, it's so user friendly that I can use everything that's on the guitar now if I'm if I'm going, if I want to lighten it up, if I put that volume at about 6 1/2.

Then if I want to raise it up now I'm at 10, enough clarity if I want to hit a riff on the bottom end.

But then also, if it's already still too much, I can back off on my guitar a little bit on that.

Set it and forget it.

And just so we can understand what not to do with a clon, we'll push the preamp up and just see how useless this works.

I guess if you were, if you were like wanting to cut something in a studio or something, you're like, dude, I want like the craziest sound I can get.

You can do something like that.

But I think that when you get there you're you're basically taking a really great thing and just giving way too much of it.

What's the amp sound like when you had it right there?

Was that where you were at just before?

So like right there that amp is like perfectly opening up.

I put that clown at about 11:00 game just you can play all your Yeah, see that's that's the shit my friends right there.

That is what I like.

That's the good stuff, That's the good stuff.

So what did we learn about these Clon clones?

About the Clon in general?

Have you gathered any new information for your vault, or have you simply reaffirmed everything you thought you knew about the Clon Centaur?

What I do know is that you don't need a Real McCoy clon Centaur to get there.

These were all satisfying sounds.

These were all satisfying sounds and honestly, when you're playing with, let's say you're playing in a track like at home or you're jamming with a drummer or a bass player or you're on stage, all of these pedals are going to get you there.

They're going to get that sound because that I always say like that last 5% is just really something that's like it can get lost in translation very easily.

So to all the naysayers, I agree with you.

I I don't think that you need a clon Centaur.

We fight hate with love.

Yes I will fight your hate with my love, but with that being said I still think that that OG clon for what it is, is exceptional in every way possible and it is a an absolute Swiss army knife of a tool as an OverDrive pedal.

You know, as a player, we look at these things, you know, fondly as collectible things, but also these are tools.

And this is a highly sophisticated tool that you use on the daily as far as I'm concerned.

Like this is a tool that you have to have working for you and it it, you rely on it for so many things and it's important to you.

So that's what gives it value beyond the monetary or the exclusivity.

It's just something that you can rely on and it's a time tested object.

And yeah, 100% and also man like I don't think it can be beat.

There can be variations of it.

You can let us know if you thought any of these pedals matched it.

I thought they all did a great job at certain points, but the point is the Klon Centaur seems to be the standard that we never were.

Like that didn't sound as good.

And not only that, but it's like if you take away all the price of what it is and the lore and everything, it's like that's granddaddy.

And those are all the little offshoots of Granddaddy.

Yeah, but the Granddaddy knows I don't think there will ever be another OverDrive pedal that's going to hit the market that people are going to go, whoa, this just changed the game.

That's a challenge to all of our pedal manufacturer friends.

A.

100% because take all of these, you know, overdrives and and distortions and fuzzes.

It's like, is there anywhere left to go?

I'm sure there is, but and I haven't seen it yet.

So like that was probably the last to me.

Besides, you know, you like your tube screamers and I don't even not going into Fuzz Face and Big Muffin all that.

But it's like that set a standard that I don't think has been beat yet.

It's all about the artwork, that's what I think.

Dude.

Plus it's a weapon at a show.

If somebody wants to come at me, dude, I could pick up that brick of a pedal and just Chuck it.

Somebody in the head.

With it also, it should be said that that pedal has been around the world with me probably 15 times.

The enclosure is no joke.

And that thing is tough.

I've spilt beer and sweat all over it.

And like that thing's been through the ringer, so the quality is good.

So let us know what you think about the CLON in general.

Let us know your thoughts on this comparison, the shootout, and whether or not you're going to try and finance one.

I'd really like to continue to see that market thrive on the old Clon marketplace.

Dude 11 last thing here in Nashville this was about 6 months ago.

I was out of town.

My friend hit me up is this a good deal?

And it was a clon, 3 grand, a silver, and the guy was going to pick up in East Nashville today only what?

Somebody needed some money.

Yeah.

We got the good.

Man yeah dude, we got it.

Dude.

Your clown sounds fucking amazing too though.

They got.

Their own things.

You going to keep it?

Yeah, at least until everything goes wrong.