1 01:01:28,208 --> 01:01:30,125 Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. 2 01:01:30,625 --> 01:01:31,666 I'm really excited to 3 01:01:31,666 --> 01:01:33,458 have as my guest today 4 01:01:33,875 --> 01:01:36,208 uh vina kukarni-rankin 5 01:01:36,791 --> 01:01:40,458 vina has is a musician and um 6 01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:43,583 She has a couple of bands that she will 7 01:01:43,583 --> 01:01:44,625 also tell you about in a 8 01:01:44,625 --> 01:01:45,833 minute, but I had the fortune 9 01:01:46,375 --> 01:01:50,041 The great fortune to uh sit in and listen 10 01:01:50,208 --> 01:01:52,916 um on a rehearsal, um 11 01:01:52,916 --> 01:01:54,000 a couple of weeks ago 12 01:01:54,750 --> 01:01:57,000 And I was so struck by the way 13 01:01:57,041 --> 01:02:00,708 I also struck by the way that you um 14 01:02:01,791 --> 01:02:04,750 Talk about music it felt like you know, 15 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,500 it's been rehearsed before but you were 16 01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:08,041 still refining it or 17 01:02:08,041 --> 01:02:09,500 you're still working on it 18 01:02:09,916 --> 01:02:11,708 and you were kind of 19 01:02:12,708 --> 01:02:15,250 Making it happen in real time 20 01:02:15,708 --> 01:02:18,708 And it's the closest thing I like for me 21 01:02:18,708 --> 01:02:20,291 the analogy would be 22 01:02:20,291 --> 01:02:21,416 watching somebody paint 23 01:02:22,208 --> 01:02:25,041 And what I was really struck by is the 24 01:02:25,041 --> 01:02:28,625 way you the way you describe music the 25 01:02:28,625 --> 01:02:30,916 way you describe the process 26 01:02:31,416 --> 01:02:33,500 felt so visual to me 27 01:02:33,958 --> 01:02:36,458 That I just immediately thought like oh 28 01:02:36,458 --> 01:02:38,208 and I I remember I just like closed my 29 01:02:38,208 --> 01:02:39,708 eyes and I could see the music 30 01:02:40,041 --> 01:02:42,541 Because of how you described it and then 31 01:02:42,541 --> 01:02:45,333 you asked me what it looks like to me 32 01:02:45,333 --> 01:02:47,541 So I was like, okay. I have to have vina 33 01:02:48,541 --> 01:02:51,625 So dina welcome to the show and let's 34 01:02:51,625 --> 01:02:54,250 start with if you can just um, tell 35 01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:55,833 everyone a little bit about yourself 36 01:02:57,416 --> 01:02:57,750 Well 37 01:02:58,291 --> 01:03:01,041 Hava, i'm very happy to be here. This 38 01:03:01,708 --> 01:03:03,750 Is something new for me? 39 01:03:04,833 --> 01:03:06,625 And actually you were 40 01:03:06,625 --> 01:03:08,333 sitting in on the first 41 01:03:09,375 --> 01:03:12,375 Rehearsal iteration of that piece believe 42 01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:15,125 it or not. So we'll talk about that later 43 01:03:18,416 --> 01:03:21,291 Well, I am a pianist by training 44 01:03:22,458 --> 01:03:23,500 very western 45 01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,833 classically trained since age five 46 01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:28,333 And i've had the privilege of 47 01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:29,875 studying at indiana university 48 01:03:31,083 --> 01:03:32,500 the university of michigan 49 01:03:33,333 --> 01:03:34,416 With most of my 50 01:03:34,416 --> 01:03:35,833 degrees in piano performance 51 01:03:36,541 --> 01:03:38,583 And finally one in piano pedagogy 52 01:03:39,666 --> 01:03:41,291 Here at the university of michigan in an 53 01:03:41,291 --> 01:03:43,041 arbor. So I love teaching 54 01:03:44,291 --> 01:03:45,958 I finished my degree in 55 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,291 2005 since then that was a long time ago 56 01:03:51,875 --> 01:03:52,708 My teaching and 57 01:03:52,708 --> 01:03:54,666 playing have evolved a lot 58 01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:56,041 and 59 01:03:56,916 --> 01:03:59,791 Long story short. I love improvising 60 01:04:00,833 --> 01:04:02,416 I've always been a jazz fan 61 01:04:03,166 --> 01:04:03,625 and 62 01:04:04,458 --> 01:04:05,458 it's 63 01:04:05,458 --> 01:04:06,500 completed me 64 01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:09,333 completed my skill set and 65 01:04:09,708 --> 01:04:11,916 wishlist to be able to create on the spot 66 01:04:13,333 --> 01:04:13,625 And 67 01:04:14,708 --> 01:04:16,250 Have the freedom of 68 01:04:17,583 --> 01:04:20,500 Not having to get it perfect but still 69 01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:22,708 having a framework for these pieces 70 01:04:24,208 --> 01:04:24,625 so 71 01:04:25,666 --> 01:04:26,916 What you heard in that 72 01:04:26,916 --> 01:04:28,625 rehearsal a couple weeks ago 73 01:04:29,875 --> 01:04:31,583 The jam session was that 74 01:04:31,583 --> 01:04:33,583 I did actually have a plan 75 01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:37,708 But with the other members particularly 76 01:04:37,708 --> 01:04:39,375 particularly with bobbuk 77 01:04:40,125 --> 01:04:42,250 Babak solomani on santur 78 01:04:42,916 --> 01:04:43,458 We were 79 01:04:44,041 --> 01:04:47,791 also scripting the large scale format 80 01:04:48,916 --> 01:04:50,625 Of how this piece would go 81 01:04:52,291 --> 01:04:53,750 I came there simply with a 82 01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:57,875 prompt that it would be called 83 01:04:58,041 --> 01:05:00,416 A bukang liwayway 84 01:05:00,916 --> 01:05:02,416 Which in tagalog means 85 01:05:02,416 --> 01:05:05,583 dawn morning morning breaking 86 01:05:05,958 --> 01:05:08,875 That was it so we did have 87 01:05:08,875 --> 01:05:10,875 quite a visual inspiration 88 01:05:11,416 --> 01:05:14,291 And it helps for us to have some ideas 89 01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:18,375 That was it. So you were seeing us work 90 01:05:18,375 --> 01:05:20,958 with I would say some basic 91 01:05:20,958 --> 01:05:23,291 elements of creation if you can 92 01:05:23,791 --> 01:05:25,875 Tell me tell us a 93 01:05:25,875 --> 01:05:27,625 little more about the band 94 01:05:27,625 --> 01:05:29,458 The instruments in the 95 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:31,833 band and the genre of the band 96 01:05:32,125 --> 01:05:32,916 Sure 97 01:05:33,208 --> 01:05:34,875 Sure because you said you're you're 98 01:05:34,875 --> 01:05:37,875 trained classically, but this was this is 99 01:05:37,875 --> 01:05:39,875 how would you describe it? 100 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:42,125 Aga udilim 101 01:05:42,791 --> 01:05:45,416 We are myself on keys 102 01:05:46,458 --> 01:05:48,291 And I would say the main 103 01:05:48,916 --> 01:05:50,500 flavor that really 104 01:05:51,333 --> 01:05:52,625 Gets people's attention 105 01:05:52,625 --> 01:05:54,166 and makes their ears sit up 106 01:05:54,708 --> 01:05:55,666 Is bobbuk 107 01:05:56,166 --> 01:05:58,791 Solomani playing on the persian santur 108 01:05:59,708 --> 01:06:00,375 which is 109 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:03,333 I guess one would call it a dulcimer 110 01:06:04,041 --> 01:06:05,458 Where the strings are 111 01:06:05,458 --> 01:06:06,833 open and they're struck 112 01:06:08,458 --> 01:06:09,583 He's highly trained 113 01:06:09,583 --> 01:06:11,333 although he has another job 114 01:06:12,916 --> 01:06:14,166 And it's amazing what he 115 01:06:14,166 --> 01:06:16,250 can do so he comes with a deep 116 01:06:17,666 --> 01:06:20,791 Iranian persian training with all of the 117 01:06:20,791 --> 01:06:24,125 scales and melodies that were part of 118 01:06:24,125 --> 01:06:25,833 this training. So when I have ideas 119 01:06:26,375 --> 01:06:26,458 I think it's because 120 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:30,500 Almost immediately it's he's it does 121 01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:31,750 sound like he came with something 122 01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:34,125 composed, right? I understand why you 123 01:06:34,125 --> 01:06:35,041 thought it was written 124 01:06:35,041 --> 01:06:35,583 but he 125 01:06:35,583 --> 01:06:39,208 Took an idea and ran with it very quickly 126 01:06:39,208 --> 01:06:43,166 And then we have our wonderful bass 127 01:06:43,166 --> 01:06:44,416 player frankie bennett 128 01:06:44,416 --> 01:06:49,541 And finally chris pike on drums who 129 01:06:50,875 --> 01:06:53,333 Just one or two years ago graduated with 130 01:06:53,333 --> 01:06:55,916 a jazz degree at university of michigan. 131 01:06:55,916 --> 01:06:56,875 So he's our young man 132 01:06:57,708 --> 01:06:59,250 And has really serious 133 01:06:59,791 --> 01:07:00,625 jazz chops 134 01:07:01,666 --> 01:07:04,458 Which is wonderful. So we are 135 01:07:05,708 --> 01:07:08,208 Also struggling to explain our music but 136 01:07:08,208 --> 01:07:09,375 I would call it jazzy 137 01:07:09,375 --> 01:07:11,166 world music very simply 138 01:07:11,958 --> 01:07:15,208 Jazzy world music music. Okay. Yeah, and 139 01:07:15,208 --> 01:07:17,916 I would add like this sort of um 140 01:07:18,208 --> 01:07:19,666 loungey down tempo 141 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,291 Um, I love it 142 01:07:26,125 --> 01:07:29,166 That's that's amazing can I ask so you're 143 01:07:29,166 --> 01:07:31,166 you're trained western 144 01:07:31,166 --> 01:07:33,875 in western, um, right 145 01:07:34,625 --> 01:07:35,208 and 146 01:07:35,875 --> 01:07:36,708 obek 147 01:07:37,791 --> 01:07:38,083 correct 148 01:07:39,416 --> 01:07:40,708 He's trained in 149 01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:43,250 The he said he's 150 01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:45,000 iranian persian tradition 151 01:07:45,916 --> 01:07:49,166 Yes, same is it the same tradition as the 152 01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:50,708 western tradition the scale 153 01:07:50,708 --> 01:07:53,291 it is it is not I would say 154 01:07:54,625 --> 01:07:57,750 In terms of relating it to my influences 155 01:07:57,750 --> 01:08:01,500 it's more similar to indian classical 156 01:08:02,708 --> 01:08:04,083 music which is 157 01:08:04,416 --> 01:08:06,083 Highly systematized but 158 01:08:06,083 --> 01:08:08,333 improvised at the same time. Wow 159 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,291 so 160 01:08:10,083 --> 01:08:12,208 Again, i'm not an expert. I'm simply a 161 01:08:12,208 --> 01:08:14,833 fan although my dad is indian 162 01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:18,250 Indian classical musicians 163 01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:21,083 and iranian classical musicians 164 01:08:21,916 --> 01:08:22,291 are 165 01:08:22,875 --> 01:08:25,375 Rigorously trained in scales and rhythms 166 01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:28,000 and melodies that are connected to 167 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,041 certain collection of 168 01:08:30,458 --> 01:08:30,875 notes 169 01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:33,541 And then they use those 170 01:08:33,541 --> 01:08:36,791 materials in real time to improvise 171 01:08:37,250 --> 01:08:38,458 Where so I would say it's 172 01:08:38,458 --> 01:08:39,791 more akin to jazz training 173 01:08:40,291 --> 01:08:40,458 Okay 174 01:08:42,416 --> 01:08:44,666 And jazz musicians here everywhere are 175 01:08:44,666 --> 01:08:46,208 very rigorous in their training and I 176 01:08:46,208 --> 01:08:47,041 have not gone through 177 01:08:47,041 --> 01:08:48,708 that i've had a couple of 178 01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:51,291 lessons and classes and 179 01:08:51,291 --> 01:08:53,000 I listen to it every day 180 01:08:54,458 --> 01:08:57,208 and so I have a comfort 181 01:08:57,208 --> 01:08:58,833 level with improvising and 182 01:08:59,708 --> 01:09:01,416 Maybe one day i'll call myself a jazz 183 01:09:01,416 --> 01:09:02,500 musician. But right now 184 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,208 i'm just a musician who 185 01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:07,041 Loves creating on the spot 186 01:09:07,833 --> 01:09:08,958 Can you um 187 01:09:09,833 --> 01:09:12,708 so I I understand that improvisation is 188 01:09:12,708 --> 01:09:14,250 in a sense creating on the 189 01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:16,500 spot and sort of reacting to 190 01:09:16,958 --> 01:09:20,208 What just happened like each note that 191 01:09:20,208 --> 01:09:21,875 gets the next note kind of thing 192 01:09:21,875 --> 01:09:23,291 But can you talk more 193 01:09:23,291 --> 01:09:24,250 about the difference? 194 01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:26,416 Like what what is it about improvisation 195 01:09:26,416 --> 01:09:28,958 that you gravitate like why you gravitate 196 01:09:28,958 --> 01:09:30,208 towards that and how 197 01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:31,291 is it different from? 198 01:09:32,625 --> 01:09:34,000 more traditional like non 199 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,500 improvisational because I 200 01:09:35,541 --> 01:09:35,583 I 201 01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:39,791 I'm just like i'm a consumer of music 202 01:09:39,791 --> 01:09:42,458 But i'm so ignorant when it comes to it 203 01:09:42,458 --> 01:09:43,958 and and the more you talk 204 01:09:43,958 --> 01:09:45,708 the more like I I have so many 205 01:09:46,625 --> 01:09:48,916 It sounds so much like painting to me 206 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:50,375 so 207 01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:53,708 Well, this analogy is going to be rich 208 01:09:53,708 --> 01:09:56,166 for me as a takeaway. It's exciting 209 01:09:57,916 --> 01:09:59,208 In the conservatories 210 01:09:59,208 --> 01:10:02,041 of music composed by 211 01:10:02,083 --> 01:10:05,833 Uh written down once upon a time it was 212 01:10:05,833 --> 01:10:08,625 mostly curated as european composers, but 213 01:10:08,625 --> 01:10:09,291 there's so many 214 01:10:09,291 --> 01:10:10,708 composers in every continent 215 01:10:11,583 --> 01:10:13,833 That bring their culture and 216 01:10:13,833 --> 01:10:15,500 inspiration and talent together 217 01:10:16,083 --> 01:10:17,375 those notes are 218 01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:22,958 95 99 of the time written down 219 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:26,833 It's like memorizing a 220 01:10:26,833 --> 01:10:29,166 script to a shakespearean play 221 01:10:29,208 --> 01:10:30,875 Wow 222 01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:33,583 right, but those words are 223 01:10:34,375 --> 01:10:37,083 Performed with quite a bit of variety but 224 01:10:37,083 --> 01:10:40,291 verbatim you don't expect your main 225 01:10:40,291 --> 01:10:43,375 actors to go off cuff and improvise 226 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:44,958 When you're going to 227 01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:46,750 see romeo and juliet or a 228 01:10:48,541 --> 01:10:49,958 One of the other plays midsummer's 229 01:10:49,958 --> 01:10:51,458 nightdream you expect to hear what 230 01:10:51,458 --> 01:10:53,458 shakespeare wrote and that's the same way 231 01:10:53,458 --> 01:10:55,333 you expect to hear a bay tov and sonata 232 01:10:56,166 --> 01:10:57,791 with 233 01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:00,041 Emprophesized improvised 234 01:11:00,041 --> 01:11:03,375 forms there's a huge gamut here 235 01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:08,875 much like visual art and I would say the 236 01:11:08,875 --> 01:11:11,958 music that I tend to listen to 237 01:11:11,958 --> 01:11:15,208 Uh, be it jazz or funk 238 01:11:16,166 --> 01:11:18,375 again huge genres of 239 01:11:18,875 --> 01:11:21,500 Music that encompass wildly different 240 01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:23,750 sounds or say indian classical 241 01:11:24,666 --> 01:11:26,083 There are 242 01:11:27,625 --> 01:11:29,291 Frameworks that they stay within 243 01:11:30,333 --> 01:11:34,083 So there's a selection of notes and what 244 01:11:34,083 --> 01:11:34,958 we call harmony 245 01:11:34,958 --> 01:11:36,625 underneath that the musicians 246 01:11:37,291 --> 01:11:38,458 play off of 247 01:11:39,125 --> 01:11:41,041 So they have a palette. Let's say 248 01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:44,333 of colors that they're coming back to 249 01:11:45,625 --> 01:11:47,083 And shading those colors, but 250 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,000 those notes or colors and 251 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,625 rhythms they go together and 252 01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:55,333 They're playing with it really and 253 01:11:55,958 --> 01:11:57,041 messing with you 254 01:11:57,958 --> 01:11:59,916 Maybe referring back to the rhythm 255 01:12:00,583 --> 01:12:02,208 Maybe scrambling it up 256 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000 And typically at the beginning or the end 257 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,750 now i'm thinking more traditional jazz 258 01:12:08,041 --> 01:12:10,166 You'll hear an iteration of 259 01:12:10,166 --> 01:12:12,166 the melody the original melody 260 01:12:12,666 --> 01:12:13,625 Which is especially 261 01:12:13,625 --> 01:12:15,708 true for vocal jazz, right? 262 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,791 So the tunes that you love what we call 263 01:12:17,791 --> 01:12:19,625 jazz standards you'll hear 264 01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:23,125 Ella Fitzgerald scatting and at the end 265 01:12:23,125 --> 01:12:25,791 you hear the melody as she presented it 266 01:12:25,791 --> 01:12:27,125 at the beginning of the track 267 01:12:28,583 --> 01:12:29,500 You know the analogy at 268 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:31,166 some point breaks down but 269 01:12:31,166 --> 01:12:33,166 I think 270 01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:35,708 improvisational to me 271 01:12:35,708 --> 01:12:37,958 feels very much like 272 01:12:38,458 --> 01:12:40,458 creating you start with you 273 01:12:40,458 --> 01:12:42,125 know a blank canvas and you 274 01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:45,041 you know, you put some initial marks on 275 01:12:45,041 --> 01:12:48,500 it a color wash a few lines and and uh 276 01:12:50,541 --> 01:12:54,625 as as the as the image grows, um 277 01:12:55,875 --> 01:12:56,666 What's there? 278 01:12:57,333 --> 01:13:00,541 Sort of dictates what goes next and and 279 01:13:00,541 --> 01:13:02,083 then you kind of step away and say like 280 01:13:02,083 --> 01:13:03,875 oh, this is a little heavy over here 281 01:13:04,416 --> 01:13:07,166 Or it's a little too dense over here. 282 01:13:07,166 --> 01:13:09,333 Let's break this up a little bit. Let's 283 01:13:09,333 --> 01:13:10,791 let's add a little more like 284 01:13:11,125 --> 01:13:12,125 richness here 285 01:13:13,708 --> 01:13:14,083 So 286 01:13:14,833 --> 01:13:15,208 you know 287 01:13:16,458 --> 01:13:19,208 That's it's kind of what I was hearing. 288 01:13:19,958 --> 01:13:22,333 It's just fascinating to me 289 01:13:22,416 --> 01:13:23,291 that um 290 01:13:25,708 --> 01:13:26,916 You can be you know 291 01:13:27,708 --> 01:13:29,458 When you when it's something that you 292 01:13:29,458 --> 01:13:32,291 like do well understand well practice 293 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,500 get better and better, um 294 01:13:35,916 --> 01:13:36,333 and 295 01:13:37,083 --> 01:13:38,041 You know, some of it is 296 01:13:38,041 --> 01:13:39,708 intuitive. Some of it is 297 01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:41,875 Some of it is language that's very 298 01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:43,708 specific to that discipline 299 01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:48,291 But at a certain point especially if you 300 01:13:48,291 --> 01:13:49,833 want to get like really really specific 301 01:13:49,833 --> 01:13:52,083 about what it is that you want 302 01:13:52,333 --> 01:13:54,375 um, well like where 303 01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:55,958 it's like a feeling or a 304 01:13:56,583 --> 01:13:58,416 emotion or um 305 01:13:58,750 --> 01:13:59,583 like a gesture 306 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,333 The way the way that our brain processes 307 01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:07,166 it it just feels to me like 308 01:14:07,166 --> 01:14:07,916 it processes it the same way 309 01:14:08,416 --> 01:14:08,958 Um 310 01:14:10,416 --> 01:14:14,083 Whether like the perception is happening 311 01:14:14,083 --> 01:14:15,083 through your ears 312 01:14:15,083 --> 01:14:16,833 through your eyes through your 313 01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:19,541 Hands, you know, I think like I think 314 01:14:19,541 --> 01:14:22,041 there there there would be a very similar 315 01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:25,458 kind of analogy that can be made to um 316 01:14:26,041 --> 01:14:28,583 Dance and you mentioned shakespeare. So 317 01:14:28,583 --> 01:14:32,416 certainly to performance to acting. Um 318 01:14:33,333 --> 01:14:34,416 There's this innate 319 01:14:36,208 --> 01:14:36,875 kind of 320 01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:39,583 A need to express 321 01:14:40,416 --> 01:14:42,083 That's a human. I just like 322 01:14:42,083 --> 01:14:44,458 this human need to express 323 01:14:46,041 --> 01:14:48,541 An idea I just something that is like 324 01:14:48,541 --> 01:14:49,750 it's it's the thing that 325 01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:51,416 happens before the thoughts happen 326 01:14:51,833 --> 01:14:52,958 it's you know, that's 327 01:14:52,958 --> 01:14:55,666 this really raw thing and 328 01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:58,750 You know, I love that. Have you have a 329 01:14:58,750 --> 01:15:00,333 medium that you're good at 330 01:15:00,916 --> 01:15:03,291 And it gets translated. It's almost like 331 01:15:04,041 --> 01:15:06,250 Yours gets translated in one language 332 01:15:06,833 --> 01:15:09,166 Mine gets translated in another language 333 01:15:09,166 --> 01:15:10,791 a dancer will translate it 334 01:15:10,791 --> 01:15:12,250 and get into a third language 335 01:15:12,833 --> 01:15:15,333 Um, but we are saying 336 01:15:16,041 --> 01:15:17,666 Like a similar thing 337 01:15:18,250 --> 01:15:21,250 It's so primal and you see it in kids 338 01:15:21,250 --> 01:15:23,500 like in young kids, you know, and they 339 01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:25,291 all scribble they all 340 01:15:25,708 --> 01:15:28,833 Right. I'm saying they all try to dance 341 01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:31,708 and it's it's it's just it's there 342 01:15:32,208 --> 01:15:33,208 and so when 343 01:15:34,958 --> 01:15:37,041 Recognizing like I think that's what I 344 01:15:37,041 --> 01:15:39,625 connected to is I recognized what you 345 01:15:39,625 --> 01:15:41,166 were trying to communicate 346 01:15:42,041 --> 01:15:42,500 and 347 01:15:43,083 --> 01:15:46,041 Um to me like especially if I close my 348 01:15:46,041 --> 01:15:47,125 eyes, I could see you 349 01:15:47,125 --> 01:15:48,791 talking about something visual 350 01:15:49,458 --> 01:15:49,958 um 351 01:15:51,208 --> 01:15:52,333 That's amazing 352 01:15:53,458 --> 01:15:54,625 Oh, I really love that 353 01:15:54,625 --> 01:15:55,833 especially where you said 354 01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:57,166 the 355 01:15:58,333 --> 01:15:58,583 unconscious 356 01:15:59,750 --> 01:16:01,791 Thought before we verbalize it 357 01:16:03,291 --> 01:16:04,250 I like that a lot 358 01:16:04,916 --> 01:16:07,666 You asked me a bit a few moments ago. 359 01:16:07,666 --> 01:16:11,000 What attracts me to improvisation? 360 01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:14,000 Along those lines 361 01:16:15,083 --> 01:16:17,125 To me it feels 362 01:16:17,916 --> 01:16:20,041 spiritual spiritual and religious 363 01:16:21,375 --> 01:16:21,791 to 364 01:16:22,833 --> 01:16:23,875 Well, first of all 365 01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:26,541 For me at this stage, 366 01:16:26,541 --> 01:16:27,625 I don't know of other 367 01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:29,583 improvisers 368 01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:33,000 Feel this way. I do feel a little bit 369 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,083 like i'm falling off a cliff 370 01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:38,625 Taking a dive not a not a physically 371 01:16:38,625 --> 01:16:41,125 dangerous one, but something where i'm 372 01:16:41,125 --> 01:16:41,875 Vulnerable. I don't 373 01:16:41,875 --> 01:16:42,833 know what's going to happen 374 01:16:43,541 --> 01:16:45,583 So there's that exciting feeling 375 01:16:47,458 --> 01:16:49,500 Then there's the excitement of thinking 376 01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:53,125 what will bob eck frankie and chris do 377 01:16:53,875 --> 01:16:56,125 I don't exactly know what they're going 378 01:16:56,125 --> 01:16:58,583 to do either. Although I have an idea 379 01:16:58,583 --> 01:17:00,833 I mean we certainly compose a piece and 380 01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:02,375 the one you heard will 381 01:17:02,375 --> 01:17:04,791 work on that a lot. It'll be 382 01:17:05,291 --> 01:17:07,833 Iterated reiterated and it'll evolve into 383 01:17:07,833 --> 01:17:09,666 something that is a little more 384 01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:11,750 standard for us 385 01:17:13,166 --> 01:17:15,000 And yet we'll still be riffing on it and 386 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,500 improvising. So there's 387 01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:18,208 that nervous feeling of 388 01:17:19,375 --> 01:17:19,625 Okay 389 01:17:20,791 --> 01:17:23,416 God, let's say and that in my case i'd 390 01:17:23,416 --> 01:17:25,541 say that I trust you i'm gonna 391 01:17:26,416 --> 01:17:28,458 Take that step off the cliff 392 01:17:29,375 --> 01:17:30,333 over the water 393 01:17:31,375 --> 01:17:31,833 and 394 01:17:33,375 --> 01:17:34,666 Close my eyes 395 01:17:35,458 --> 01:17:37,958 Trust the skill and training i've had but 396 01:17:37,958 --> 01:17:39,250 also trust that something 397 01:17:39,250 --> 01:17:40,375 beautiful is going to happen 398 01:17:41,458 --> 01:17:42,458 And i'm going to also 399 01:17:42,458 --> 01:17:44,083 respond to the vibe in the room 400 01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:44,250 So 401 01:17:46,916 --> 01:17:49,000 It's exciting of course to gather with 402 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,333 these musicians in rehearsal 403 01:17:51,541 --> 01:17:54,791 But to have a performance and even having 404 01:17:54,791 --> 01:17:57,833 you and your partner there 405 01:17:58,333 --> 01:18:01,208 Change the energy which is really neat 406 01:18:02,416 --> 01:18:03,750 We're responding to 407 01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:05,375 the collection of people 408 01:18:05,875 --> 01:18:06,166 Yeah 409 01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:08,541 And events of that day 410 01:18:08,541 --> 01:18:11,291 I want to pick up on 411 01:18:11,708 --> 01:18:14,958 something before I forget the the dynamic 412 01:18:14,958 --> 01:18:17,500 of working on this with 413 01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:19,708 other band members, so 414 01:18:20,416 --> 01:18:21,500 In a sense, you know on 415 01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,208 you and I could tell that 416 01:18:23,958 --> 01:18:25,208 The four of you really 417 01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:27,500 It's almost like telepathy 418 01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:29,833 At least especially with 419 01:18:29,833 --> 01:18:33,208 especially Boba. Um, it felt like 420 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,375 especially the two of you 421 01:18:35,958 --> 01:18:36,250 like 422 01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:39,833 Had a almost like a telepathy thing going 423 01:18:40,041 --> 01:18:42,958 Um, I love them like 424 01:18:42,958 --> 01:18:45,291 this understanding, um 425 01:18:46,291 --> 01:18:47,708 You know, we joked at the time 426 01:18:47,708 --> 01:18:49,750 I was thinking like if I had like three 427 01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:51,333 other people sitting next to 428 01:18:51,333 --> 01:18:52,708 me while i'm painting and going 429 01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:54,375 Oh, can you add a little more blue here? 430 01:18:54,375 --> 01:18:56,333 I'd be smacking all of them 431 01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:58,041 because it's just 432 01:18:58,083 --> 01:19:00,291 uh, you know that you know because so 433 01:19:00,291 --> 01:19:01,125 that's that's where the 434 01:19:01,125 --> 01:19:03,333 analogy ends and I think for 435 01:19:03,541 --> 01:19:04,416 A lot of musicians, 436 01:19:04,416 --> 01:19:06,000 especially if you are in a band 437 01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:06,750 um 438 01:19:07,875 --> 01:19:11,583 The dynamic of working together feels so 439 01:19:12,666 --> 01:19:13,208 important 440 01:19:14,041 --> 01:19:17,333 Um, yes, and i'm assuming there's 441 01:19:17,333 --> 01:19:18,333 sometimes a little bit of 442 01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:20,000 a compromise that happens 443 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,125 But at the same time it's like four large 444 01:19:23,125 --> 01:19:24,083 brains working on 445 01:19:24,083 --> 01:19:26,875 something and yes, you know and 446 01:19:28,666 --> 01:19:30,666 How long did it take you to find 447 01:19:31,541 --> 01:19:33,666 that that level of dynamic 448 01:19:33,666 --> 01:19:35,833 with your band members and 449 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:37,916 How do you know how do 450 01:19:37,916 --> 01:19:39,291 you know when you have it? 451 01:19:41,958 --> 01:19:42,375 Well 452 01:19:42,375 --> 01:19:46,083 It is a skill to learn 453 01:19:46,083 --> 01:19:48,375 how to collaborate and 454 01:19:49,208 --> 01:19:50,083 my skills 455 01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:51,708 in collaboration 456 01:19:53,291 --> 01:19:55,000 Have had decades to bake 457 01:19:55,916 --> 01:19:57,083 In different forms and 458 01:19:57,083 --> 01:19:58,333 with different people 459 01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:01,583 Aga o delim is relatively new 460 01:20:02,833 --> 01:20:05,083 Boba and I started jamming together 461 01:20:06,333 --> 01:20:08,833 I think in 2022 only and 462 01:20:08,833 --> 01:20:10,416 he and I were connected 463 01:20:11,083 --> 01:20:11,541 by 464 01:20:12,125 --> 01:20:13,916 Justin Snyder a wonderful 465 01:20:14,833 --> 01:20:16,666 Avant-garde I would say very 466 01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:18,541 edgy pianist that I teach with 467 01:20:19,291 --> 01:20:20,708 Justin connected us and 468 01:20:20,708 --> 01:20:22,458 bubba and I started playing 469 01:20:23,625 --> 01:20:24,625 Hit it off immediately. 470 01:20:24,625 --> 01:20:27,083 There was a kinship in 471 01:20:28,791 --> 01:20:30,541 Personality and 472 01:20:31,958 --> 01:20:34,166 Interest in improv and curiosity 473 01:20:35,208 --> 01:20:38,208 I guess interest in american sounds 474 01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:39,833 international sounds I 475 01:20:39,833 --> 01:20:41,375 was extremely excited 476 01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:43,708 of course by his skill level 477 01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:45,416 but his own background with 478 01:20:45,833 --> 01:20:46,291 Iranian 479 01:20:46,875 --> 01:20:48,666 Scales and I could 480 01:20:49,541 --> 01:20:51,875 Hear some overlap with indian classical 481 01:20:51,875 --> 01:20:53,833 which i've always loved listening to 482 01:20:54,791 --> 01:20:57,666 But my ability to work in a group started 483 01:20:57,666 --> 01:21:00,916 with chamber music as a classical pianist 484 01:21:01,458 --> 01:21:03,083 And then as a church musician 485 01:21:03,833 --> 01:21:05,833 Here in the an arbor the christian reform 486 01:21:05,833 --> 01:21:07,250 church. I've been part 487 01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:08,625 of a contemporary band for 488 01:21:09,458 --> 01:21:11,625 Wow over 20 years 489 01:21:12,875 --> 01:21:15,041 Where I met my other main 490 01:21:15,208 --> 01:21:17,000 collaborator collaborator 491 01:21:17,375 --> 01:21:18,458 Jean bernard sarin 492 01:21:19,125 --> 01:21:20,291 for quanta musique 493 01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:22,375 And there we would 494 01:21:22,375 --> 01:21:24,208 discuss things in rehearsal 495 01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:26,958 Younger band members who were often were 496 01:21:26,958 --> 01:21:28,125 teenagers volunteering 497 01:21:28,125 --> 01:21:30,041 thought we were arguing arguing 498 01:21:31,083 --> 01:21:31,916 But we weren't we 499 01:21:31,916 --> 01:21:33,416 were just working it out 500 01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:36,625 All that work 501 01:21:37,416 --> 01:21:38,375 Has helped me 502 01:21:39,083 --> 01:21:41,791 Be willing to give things a try just try 503 01:21:41,791 --> 01:21:44,250 it out. Just try it out. So in the 504 01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:45,541 rehearsal that you heard 505 01:21:47,041 --> 01:21:47,375 the 506 01:21:48,375 --> 01:21:51,500 Four of us musicians were not necessarily 507 01:21:52,708 --> 01:21:53,583 Understanding what was 508 01:21:53,583 --> 01:21:54,708 in the head of the other 509 01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:58,250 And that was okay, so 510 01:21:58,666 --> 01:21:58,958 boba 511 01:21:59,750 --> 01:22:01,625 Had a different tempo 512 01:22:02,166 --> 01:22:03,333 We started to talk about 513 01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:05,166 doing something with five beats 514 01:22:06,333 --> 01:22:07,958 And we we tried it and 515 01:22:09,291 --> 01:22:11,291 One thing that's going to help us a lot 516 01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:13,750 especially with a group like 517 01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,166 agaudilim and my other 518 01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:19,083 Uh project quanta musique 519 01:22:19,708 --> 01:22:23,916 We record our sessions. So and hearing 520 01:22:23,916 --> 01:22:25,458 what worked what we liked 521 01:22:26,458 --> 01:22:26,791 and 522 01:22:28,083 --> 01:22:30,041 I'll like things but I might change the 523 01:22:30,041 --> 01:22:32,166 order around so I might change my panels 524 01:22:32,166 --> 01:22:34,125 put them in a different order 525 01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:38,041 So that reiterative process 526 01:22:39,708 --> 01:22:42,000 We don't have to get it right right away 527 01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:47,166 Yeah, so I've enjoyed also getting older 528 01:22:47,166 --> 01:22:50,625 to just chill out you just mellow out so 529 01:22:50,625 --> 01:22:52,208 there are funny stories of 530 01:22:52,583 --> 01:22:55,583 Especially with chamber music just the 531 01:22:55,583 --> 01:22:57,416 angst of feeling that well, we have to 532 01:22:57,416 --> 01:22:58,833 play the phrase this way 533 01:22:58,833 --> 01:23:01,416 with agaudilim we are 534 01:23:01,541 --> 01:23:03,208 Scripting everything 535 01:23:03,541 --> 01:23:04,625 and 536 01:23:05,125 --> 01:23:06,250 somehow 537 01:23:07,375 --> 01:23:09,333 Having a sense of what you want 538 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:12,625 And just trying other stuff 539 01:23:15,250 --> 01:23:16,000 Really helps 540 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,833 I think hearing the expertise of all 541 01:23:18,833 --> 01:23:19,875 three other musicians 542 01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:22,416 I can I can trust that 543 01:23:23,083 --> 01:23:24,666 Something good's going to happen even if 544 01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:25,958 we don't necessarily 545 01:23:26,166 --> 01:23:28,500 Do what was in my head right away 546 01:23:28,875 --> 01:23:30,708 Can I ask? 547 01:23:31,375 --> 01:23:32,833 For you personally at 548 01:23:32,833 --> 01:23:34,333 this point in your life 549 01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:36,625 And with your with your 550 01:23:36,625 --> 01:23:37,916 music you teach right? 551 01:23:38,875 --> 01:23:40,208 I do quite a bit 552 01:23:40,875 --> 01:23:43,250 Um, you have two bands you're 553 01:23:43,958 --> 01:23:46,208 Pretty committed to it. How would you how 554 01:23:46,208 --> 01:23:48,541 do you define success for yourself? 555 01:23:51,625 --> 01:23:54,833 That is such a great question there's 556 01:23:54,833 --> 01:23:56,375 several answers to that obviously 557 01:23:58,708 --> 01:24:00,916 With the bands with 558 01:24:00,916 --> 01:24:04,208 cuentum is ik with agaudilim 559 01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:10,916 Enjoying ourselves on stage is huge 560 01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:15,625 That is a large component of success 561 01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:21,583 We do want to have audience accolades 562 01:24:23,541 --> 01:24:25,500 Being asked back for repeat performances 563 01:24:26,958 --> 01:24:30,041 There's some classic things that are 564 01:24:30,041 --> 01:24:31,833 connected to making a living right? 565 01:24:32,416 --> 01:24:34,541 But yeah 566 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,208 Success is in the enjoyment 567 01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:40,875 In the feeling that 568 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,750 I guess that we finished some things 569 01:24:44,583 --> 01:24:45,708 That it got past 570 01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,916 the idea stage 571 01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:52,500 Recording making tracks a 572 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,166 cuentum is ik has an album out 573 01:24:55,541 --> 01:24:57,375 Agaudilim has singles out 574 01:24:57,375 --> 01:24:58,666 and will soon have an album 575 01:24:58,750 --> 01:25:03,333 Um, I'm still searching for it too. I'm 576 01:25:03,333 --> 01:25:04,625 still in that process 577 01:25:05,208 --> 01:25:07,000 Does it change as you get older? 578 01:25:08,416 --> 01:25:10,166 Oh, yeah, definitely 579 01:25:11,916 --> 01:25:12,416 Definitely 580 01:25:15,041 --> 01:25:15,541 Especially 581 01:25:17,041 --> 01:25:19,250 Being a classical musician who was 582 01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:21,208 Born in the 70s and 583 01:25:21,208 --> 01:25:24,000 raised in the 80s and 90s 584 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000 piano competitions 585 01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:27,875 For classical pianists were huge 586 01:25:29,041 --> 01:25:30,458 Now I would classify 587 01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:32,750 those as really macho 588 01:25:32,958 --> 01:25:35,375 events and what I mean is 589 01:25:35,791 --> 01:25:38,083 classical pianists will memorize their 590 01:25:38,083 --> 01:25:39,625 whole 60-minute program. 591 01:25:40,041 --> 01:25:41,833 It's very impressive and 592 01:25:43,291 --> 01:25:45,333 Most undergrad music majors 593 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,041 At the universities, let's say michigan 594 01:25:48,041 --> 01:25:49,208 will knock your socks off. 595 01:25:49,208 --> 01:25:52,416 They're really amazing and there's 596 01:25:52,416 --> 01:25:54,458 thousands of thousands of musicians so 597 01:25:54,708 --> 01:25:58,375 Once upon a time winning those 598 01:25:58,375 --> 01:26:00,041 competitions was 599 01:26:00,041 --> 01:26:01,958 important and building the cv 600 01:26:02,583 --> 01:26:04,583 But now 601 01:26:04,875 --> 01:26:08,500 Having a unique sound that I enjoy 602 01:26:09,375 --> 01:26:12,458 Having enough concerts on a regular basis 603 01:26:13,291 --> 01:26:15,833 The fact I would say that 604 01:26:16,750 --> 01:26:18,541 Great lakes performing artists 605 01:26:18,541 --> 01:26:20,541 associates. It's a non-profit 606 01:26:20,541 --> 01:26:22,166 management. They they manage us 607 01:26:23,041 --> 01:26:25,875 And that's wonderful to see that we get 608 01:26:25,875 --> 01:26:27,458 good concerts through 609 01:26:28,166 --> 01:26:28,875 great lakes 610 01:26:30,250 --> 01:26:32,958 I would call that success and also 611 01:26:32,958 --> 01:26:34,791 understanding that not everybody's gonna 612 01:26:35,458 --> 01:26:37,416 Like our sound it's not going to be 613 01:26:37,416 --> 01:26:38,541 everyone's cup of tea 614 01:26:39,708 --> 01:26:41,583 I can definitely say that for other 615 01:26:42,166 --> 01:26:44,125 musicians who are clearly 616 01:26:45,666 --> 01:26:47,750 Exceptional but not necessarily my taste 617 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:50,000 there's room for all of us 618 01:26:50,166 --> 01:26:51,875 That 619 01:26:53,666 --> 01:26:59,250 General frame helps me relax in this is 620 01:26:59,250 --> 01:27:01,625 our sound this is what we're really into 621 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:04,375 So 622 01:27:05,375 --> 01:27:06,541 Yeah, it's a it's a 623 01:27:06,541 --> 01:27:08,416 very easy on ourselves 624 01:27:09,125 --> 01:27:11,083 definition of success I would say 625 01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:14,000 But but yeah also getting paid 626 01:27:14,958 --> 01:27:17,250 I know I would can deny that you know 627 01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:18,708 starting to earn more and more 628 01:27:19,458 --> 01:27:20,541 For one's art 629 01:27:21,208 --> 01:27:23,833 We all know that that's necessary 630 01:27:25,291 --> 01:27:28,875 It's necessary, but also there is a 631 01:27:28,875 --> 01:27:29,875 certain level of 632 01:27:29,875 --> 01:27:32,666 validation that comes with it 633 01:27:33,541 --> 01:27:33,958 And 634 01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:35,000 You know 635 01:27:35,625 --> 01:27:37,708 For me personally that was something I 636 01:27:37,708 --> 01:27:39,791 struggled with for a very long time. Like 637 01:27:39,791 --> 01:27:41,208 I I had a really hard time 638 01:27:41,708 --> 01:27:43,875 Thinking about my art as a commodity 639 01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:47,208 And I still try like when i'm when i'm 640 01:27:47,208 --> 01:27:48,666 working on a on a painting 641 01:27:49,375 --> 01:27:51,500 I try not to think about like oh is 642 01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:53,291 someone going to buy it? 643 01:27:53,833 --> 01:27:56,083 because that that messes with 644 01:27:56,625 --> 01:27:58,250 Creativity it messes with 645 01:27:58,250 --> 01:28:00,625 it messes with um intent 646 01:28:01,208 --> 01:28:01,750 um 647 01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:03,875 But when somebody does 648 01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:07,666 You know spend their hard earned money to 649 01:28:07,666 --> 01:28:09,791 buy something I created because they want 650 01:28:09,791 --> 01:28:10,833 they love it so much 651 01:28:10,833 --> 01:28:12,083 They want to live with it 652 01:28:12,666 --> 01:28:13,958 And look at it. Oh, yeah 653 01:28:14,875 --> 01:28:17,666 Um, so yes, there's the money component 654 01:28:17,666 --> 01:28:19,083 on of it that that's 655 01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:20,791 like great if I can do that 656 01:28:20,791 --> 01:28:22,583 I don't have to like be a barista 657 01:28:22,583 --> 01:28:23,916 somewhere on the side 658 01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:28,375 But it but on another level it is it is a 659 01:28:28,375 --> 01:28:30,041 confirmation and a validation 660 01:28:30,041 --> 01:28:31,875 that what you're putting out 661 01:28:32,625 --> 01:28:33,416 resonates 662 01:28:33,916 --> 01:28:34,333 deeply 663 01:28:35,041 --> 01:28:36,916 You know, um with someone 664 01:28:36,916 --> 01:28:39,750 else and I can I can imagine that 665 01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:41,750 You get some of that 666 01:28:42,583 --> 01:28:45,333 When you're performing because you were 667 01:28:45,333 --> 01:28:46,250 saying that even just 668 01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:47,875 having us come and listen 669 01:28:48,708 --> 01:28:51,375 Um change the dynamic and I can only 670 01:28:51,375 --> 01:28:53,208 imagine that when you're performing and 671 01:28:53,208 --> 01:28:55,625 you can see like you're in real time 672 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,416 You are seeing how your music is 673 01:28:58,416 --> 01:28:59,875 affecting your audience 674 01:29:00,666 --> 01:29:03,583 and that kind of feedback loop of like 675 01:29:05,708 --> 01:29:06,625 It resonates 676 01:29:07,125 --> 01:29:09,416 You know what you're putting out is being 677 01:29:09,416 --> 01:29:11,708 consumed and appreciated and you can see 678 01:29:11,708 --> 01:29:14,291 that and how that feeds into it 679 01:29:14,291 --> 01:29:15,916 And if you're getting paid for it and 680 01:29:15,916 --> 01:29:17,250 somebody's booking you saying 681 01:29:17,916 --> 01:29:20,250 We love you. Please come back and we're 682 01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:21,666 paying you to come back 683 01:29:22,083 --> 01:29:22,833 it's 684 01:29:23,458 --> 01:29:28,041 It is on that level not just um us, you 685 01:29:28,041 --> 01:29:29,375 know a transactional 686 01:29:29,916 --> 01:29:31,791 Like uh, it's not just a financial 687 01:29:31,791 --> 01:29:33,833 transaction. It's also, um 688 01:29:34,791 --> 01:29:36,833 On another level just a 689 01:29:36,833 --> 01:29:38,625 very kind of reaffirming 690 01:29:38,875 --> 01:29:42,333 On a on a deeper level at least for me. I 691 01:29:42,333 --> 01:29:43,875 would agree with that the 692 01:29:43,875 --> 01:29:45,833 words you used were reaffirming 693 01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:47,333 Having someone 694 01:29:47,333 --> 01:29:49,208 resonate with your creation 695 01:29:50,416 --> 01:29:51,958 That connection 696 01:29:52,416 --> 01:29:56,208 Yeah, so having a listener or viewer 697 01:29:56,583 --> 01:29:58,791 Want to purchase your work 698 01:29:59,833 --> 01:30:00,333 for me 699 01:30:02,208 --> 01:30:03,291 It is those things 700 01:30:04,416 --> 01:30:07,541 On the level beyond financial need that 701 01:30:07,541 --> 01:30:09,125 it affirms and it says hey 702 01:30:09,125 --> 01:30:11,125 we resonate with what you did 703 01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:13,458 um, so i'm gonna i'm gonna 704 01:30:13,458 --> 01:30:15,958 shift gears a little bit and 705 01:30:16,416 --> 01:30:17,875 We've been talking a lot about 706 01:30:18,875 --> 01:30:20,000 You know the music and 707 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,333 the art right that I want to 708 01:30:22,750 --> 01:30:25,416 Kind of shift it more towards the artist 709 01:30:26,666 --> 01:30:30,166 Okay, the artist and the practice and 710 01:30:30,166 --> 01:30:32,083 that kind of like artistic 711 01:30:32,083 --> 01:30:33,916 growth or artistic journey 712 01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:34,958 and 713 01:30:35,458 --> 01:30:38,375 so we're about the same age and 714 01:30:38,875 --> 01:30:40,750 had you know other 715 01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:42,708 chapters in our lives and 716 01:30:43,125 --> 01:30:43,666 um 717 01:30:44,333 --> 01:30:46,875 So like looking back at your at the arc 718 01:30:46,875 --> 01:30:49,208 of your sort of life in your musical 719 01:30:49,208 --> 01:30:51,666 career to the so far 720 01:30:52,333 --> 01:30:53,833 What are you like? 721 01:30:54,333 --> 01:30:56,250 What are you most proud of? 722 01:30:57,541 --> 01:30:59,291 One of the constants 723 01:31:00,666 --> 01:31:01,708 that actually 724 01:31:02,583 --> 01:31:03,958 helps transform 725 01:31:04,666 --> 01:31:06,708 whatever I do 726 01:31:07,625 --> 01:31:08,166 Is 727 01:31:10,166 --> 01:31:11,250 Originated with my 728 01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:15,416 classical playing and that is 729 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,458 Putting it all out there on the stage 730 01:31:22,916 --> 01:31:23,125 So 731 01:31:23,458 --> 01:31:25,666 Allowing people have said that i'm a very 732 01:31:25,666 --> 01:31:26,958 expressive performer 733 01:31:27,833 --> 01:31:31,500 And I mostly would play list and Chopin 734 01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:32,750 and Rachmaninoff pieces 735 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:34,541 and that 736 01:31:35,208 --> 01:31:36,125 carries through 737 01:31:37,208 --> 01:31:37,708 to 738 01:31:40,083 --> 01:31:43,250 My performing now even if it's not a 739 01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:45,250 classical piece even if it's with a band 740 01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:46,875 so 741 01:31:47,625 --> 01:31:49,208 staying true to that 742 01:31:50,833 --> 01:31:52,958 You know really being expressive and 743 01:31:52,958 --> 01:31:53,625 connecting with the 744 01:31:53,625 --> 01:31:56,416 audience is of value so I have this 745 01:31:57,458 --> 01:31:58,541 I would say value 746 01:31:59,625 --> 01:32:00,416 I don't know if it's a 747 01:32:00,416 --> 01:32:02,000 mission statement, but 748 01:32:02,875 --> 01:32:04,416 Whatever I do. I do 749 01:32:04,416 --> 01:32:06,416 want it to resonate with 750 01:32:07,208 --> 01:32:07,583 audiences 751 01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:10,208 So 752 01:32:12,583 --> 01:32:15,875 Especially with Jean Bernard Sarin, Dr. 753 01:32:16,125 --> 01:32:17,875 Jean Bernard Sarin, my 754 01:32:18,541 --> 01:32:18,750 collaborator 755 01:32:20,083 --> 01:32:20,958 for Quantum Azik 756 01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:21,958 we 757 01:32:22,958 --> 01:32:24,500 started our collaboration 758 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,125 as as Quantum Azik in 759 01:32:28,791 --> 01:32:30,250 I think 2014 760 01:32:32,250 --> 01:32:35,583 2015 so it's about 10 11 years and 761 01:32:36,708 --> 01:32:37,666 our concerts 762 01:32:38,708 --> 01:32:39,750 emerged into 763 01:32:40,666 --> 01:32:41,791 the 19th century 764 01:32:41,791 --> 01:32:43,583 salon style concerts where 765 01:32:44,583 --> 01:32:45,083 There's 766 01:32:45,875 --> 01:32:48,375 A duo piece. He's got an amazing voice. 767 01:32:48,583 --> 01:32:50,916 So we might have a piano and duo piece 768 01:32:51,625 --> 01:32:52,666 then we might 769 01:32:53,375 --> 01:32:54,375 talk a little bit 770 01:32:55,416 --> 01:32:55,708 about 771 01:32:56,333 --> 01:32:57,125 the thematic 772 01:32:57,958 --> 01:32:58,791 aspect of the 773 01:32:59,291 --> 01:32:59,833 concert 774 01:33:00,875 --> 01:33:01,833 and those type of 775 01:33:01,833 --> 01:33:04,208 concerts that have a theme 776 01:33:04,875 --> 01:33:05,333 and 777 01:33:06,291 --> 01:33:07,750 You were breaking down the fourth wall, 778 01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:10,500 you know, we're talking with the audience 779 01:33:11,625 --> 01:33:13,458 Involving them with maybe a little bit of 780 01:33:13,458 --> 01:33:15,250 sing-along here and there 781 01:33:16,833 --> 01:33:19,041 I've been really most happy with those 782 01:33:19,041 --> 01:33:21,416 type of concerts those have really 783 01:33:22,708 --> 01:33:25,666 Felt great. I had the privilege of doing 784 01:33:25,666 --> 01:33:26,750 one for my dissertation 785 01:33:27,541 --> 01:33:27,833 in 786 01:33:28,416 --> 01:33:29,833 around 2004 787 01:33:31,041 --> 01:33:33,166 at the carry town concert house that 788 01:33:34,708 --> 01:33:36,000 Had a simple concept of 789 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,583 going from a dark hall into light 790 01:33:39,708 --> 01:33:41,500 and the music that I chose 791 01:33:42,666 --> 01:33:46,375 Started in a dark place and ended up with 792 01:33:46,375 --> 01:33:49,041 the later works of composer fronds list 793 01:33:51,041 --> 01:33:53,083 And those programmatic aspects 794 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:54,291 have 795 01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:58,625 Been part of my I would say pride and joy 796 01:33:59,458 --> 01:34:01,083 with Quantum Azik and 797 01:34:01,666 --> 01:34:02,416 And even classical 798 01:34:02,416 --> 01:34:04,541 concerts, so I enjoyed this 799 01:34:05,708 --> 01:34:07,625 Programmatic or extra musical element 800 01:34:08,708 --> 01:34:09,125 so 801 01:34:09,916 --> 01:34:13,208 Realizing, you know, perhaps that could 802 01:34:13,208 --> 01:34:14,583 be a guiding question that 803 01:34:14,583 --> 01:34:16,041 helps with when people are 804 01:34:17,125 --> 01:34:19,458 Say, what do I want to do next with my 805 01:34:19,458 --> 01:34:21,666 arty? How does this really? 806 01:34:22,583 --> 01:34:23,416 up the connection 807 01:34:24,416 --> 01:34:27,333 with the viewers or listeners 808 01:34:28,166 --> 01:34:30,041 and I and I hope that could be 809 01:34:31,375 --> 01:34:34,083 Something that opens the door for artists 810 01:34:34,083 --> 01:34:35,916 that are saying 811 01:34:35,916 --> 01:34:37,875 what's next with what I do 812 01:34:39,833 --> 01:34:42,000 I'm hearing a lot that 813 01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:45,208 Music isn't just your chosen like 814 01:34:45,208 --> 01:34:47,625 artistic expression. It's your chosen 815 01:34:47,625 --> 01:34:48,916 form of expression or 816 01:34:48,916 --> 01:34:50,250 communication altogether 817 01:34:51,041 --> 01:34:54,041 Yes, it sounds like you are happiest when 818 01:34:54,041 --> 01:34:55,208 you are collaborating 819 01:34:55,208 --> 01:34:56,750 with other musicians 820 01:34:57,666 --> 01:34:59,125 collaborating with the audience when 821 01:34:59,125 --> 01:35:00,541 there's when that 822 01:35:00,541 --> 01:35:02,000 channel of communication 823 01:35:03,125 --> 01:35:06,291 Is open and you can communicate 824 01:35:06,958 --> 01:35:08,000 So directly and 825 01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,250 viscerally through the music 826 01:35:10,666 --> 01:35:11,583 You got it 827 01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,291 I'll have to come back to you 828 01:35:14,291 --> 01:35:16,916 to distill what makes me tick 829 01:35:19,833 --> 01:35:20,333 Um 830 01:35:21,375 --> 01:35:22,500 If you don't mind me 831 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:25,208 asking I know that you've been 832 01:35:25,833 --> 01:35:26,291 recently 833 01:35:27,208 --> 01:35:28,333 dealing with some health 834 01:35:28,333 --> 01:35:29,833 issues health challenges 835 01:35:30,666 --> 01:35:32,291 and um 836 01:35:33,250 --> 01:35:34,333 I'm I'm curious 837 01:35:35,583 --> 01:35:38,125 I I know i'm i'm sure it's pretty obvious 838 01:35:38,125 --> 01:35:41,250 how those challenges might be 839 01:35:41,541 --> 01:35:42,666 affecting your ability 840 01:35:42,666 --> 01:35:44,333 to perform your ability to 841 01:35:44,791 --> 01:35:45,208 You know 842 01:35:45,833 --> 01:35:48,291 Be at your best, but i'm curious how 843 01:35:48,958 --> 01:35:51,833 In the other direction is your music is 844 01:35:51,833 --> 01:35:54,125 your art helping you? 845 01:35:55,458 --> 01:35:56,666 With your challenges 846 01:35:57,916 --> 01:35:59,791 I do feel the best when i'm playing 847 01:36:00,875 --> 01:36:01,333 and 848 01:36:02,666 --> 01:36:03,708 jamming with 849 01:36:05,125 --> 01:36:09,041 Creating performing I was diagnosed with 850 01:36:09,833 --> 01:36:11,541 late stage ovarian cancer 851 01:36:12,791 --> 01:36:16,750 End of april and may this is so recent. I 852 01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:18,166 didn't realize that yes 853 01:36:19,125 --> 01:36:19,583 Yes 854 01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:21,916 it's the chemotherapy 855 01:36:22,791 --> 01:36:23,333 has 856 01:36:24,416 --> 01:36:26,416 Required me to keep take a break from 857 01:36:26,416 --> 01:36:29,666 teaching. I haven't minded it. I'm i'm 858 01:36:29,666 --> 01:36:31,416 i'm thankful that I I can 859 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,416 Take a break, although I miss 860 01:36:34,083 --> 01:36:34,583 teaching 861 01:36:37,041 --> 01:36:38,333 I guess it's in 862 01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:39,541 highlighted 863 01:36:40,875 --> 01:36:41,208 my 864 01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:42,833 joy 865 01:36:43,833 --> 01:36:45,000 and desire to 866 01:36:45,458 --> 01:36:46,583 perform even more 867 01:36:47,625 --> 01:36:49,916 And to teach i've you know, that's a 868 01:36:49,916 --> 01:36:50,958 whole other conversation 869 01:36:51,833 --> 01:36:53,083 I've been envisioning ways 870 01:36:53,083 --> 01:36:54,458 to teach more effectively 871 01:36:56,791 --> 01:36:57,500 And more 872 01:36:58,333 --> 01:36:58,750 financially 873 01:36:59,541 --> 01:36:59,791 successfully 874 01:37:00,916 --> 01:37:02,666 And that's been fun to take a break and 875 01:37:02,666 --> 01:37:04,291 say how are how am I going 876 01:37:04,291 --> 01:37:05,416 to do things differently? 877 01:37:06,416 --> 01:37:09,041 So actually this enforced hiatus 878 01:37:10,791 --> 01:37:12,208 For cancer treatment 879 01:37:13,625 --> 01:37:16,250 Will probably change my teaching methods 880 01:37:16,958 --> 01:37:17,958 more than anything 881 01:37:18,791 --> 01:37:20,041 but playing 882 01:37:21,291 --> 01:37:22,750 It's been interesting. I've 883 01:37:23,333 --> 01:37:25,458 Thought oh like I can't 884 01:37:25,666 --> 01:37:27,083 Not be playing with 885 01:37:27,083 --> 01:37:28,458 the band with the bands 886 01:37:29,125 --> 01:37:29,541 and 887 01:37:30,250 --> 01:37:31,166 creating things with 888 01:37:31,916 --> 01:37:34,500 Quanto mazique or aga delim is 889 01:37:34,875 --> 01:37:37,666 Really healing it truly is medicine 890 01:37:38,708 --> 01:37:40,708 Which is exciting to bring to a concert. 891 01:37:40,708 --> 01:37:42,458 I've always felt that 892 01:37:43,625 --> 01:37:46,500 We all have our music that heals us 893 01:37:47,458 --> 01:37:47,833 and 894 01:37:49,041 --> 01:37:50,583 You know, perhaps that is 895 01:37:51,458 --> 01:37:53,125 another general frame 896 01:37:54,166 --> 01:37:55,958 These are personal to me, but I think it 897 01:37:55,958 --> 01:37:57,833 might resonate with other artists that 898 01:37:58,791 --> 01:38:01,416 What is healing what makes you feel 899 01:38:01,416 --> 01:38:02,375 better? What makes you 900 01:38:02,375 --> 01:38:04,875 want to be in a gallery space? 901 01:38:05,958 --> 01:38:06,750 you personally 902 01:38:08,416 --> 01:38:10,958 You know to be authentic to really stick 903 01:38:10,958 --> 01:38:12,375 to your voice and trust 904 01:38:13,375 --> 01:38:15,666 That it's going to connect to a certain 905 01:38:15,666 --> 01:38:17,583 segment of the population 906 01:38:19,125 --> 01:38:22,166 That I think when you're doing your 907 01:38:22,166 --> 01:38:23,333 studies as a younger person 908 01:38:24,083 --> 01:38:24,958 I 909 01:38:26,166 --> 01:38:28,583 Don't know if many of us I wasn't this 910 01:38:28,583 --> 01:38:30,250 prescient when I was young to think about 911 01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:31,291 these questions, but 912 01:38:31,958 --> 01:38:32,500 getting older 913 01:38:33,291 --> 01:38:36,250 Taking a break from you know, typical 914 01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:37,541 ways of doing things 915 01:38:38,708 --> 01:38:40,625 in my in my case it was 916 01:38:41,291 --> 01:38:43,875 Practicing classical music which might be 917 01:38:43,875 --> 01:38:45,708 alarming to some of my colleagues. I I 918 01:38:45,708 --> 01:38:47,750 just didn't do it as much for many years 919 01:38:48,333 --> 01:38:52,166 Or in this case an illness, you know, I'm 920 01:38:52,166 --> 01:38:54,500 taking a break then you 921 01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:55,833 have a chance to think well 922 01:38:56,333 --> 01:39:00,750 What is what are some guiding principles 923 01:39:00,750 --> 01:39:02,708 for when I come back in 924 01:39:02,708 --> 01:39:07,583 To my practice whatever that may be 925 01:39:07,583 --> 01:39:10,416 Yeah, i'm sure also that when you're like 926 01:39:10,416 --> 01:39:12,375 immersed in your art 927 01:39:13,208 --> 01:39:13,625 and 928 01:39:13,625 --> 01:39:14,791 it's just 929 01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:18,583 The time when everything else falls away 930 01:39:19,375 --> 01:39:19,791 um 931 01:39:20,666 --> 01:39:23,666 And you're not you're not focused on the 932 01:39:23,666 --> 01:39:24,416 illness. You're not 933 01:39:24,416 --> 01:39:26,125 focused on those things that 934 01:39:26,916 --> 01:39:27,791 on your limitations 935 01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:29,750 Absolutely 936 01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:32,041 That 937 01:39:33,041 --> 01:39:34,791 I believe is universal for 938 01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:36,000 a 939 01:39:36,958 --> 01:39:39,708 Person going through a hard time. Yeah to 940 01:39:39,708 --> 01:39:42,000 not deny it but to have 941 01:39:42,875 --> 01:39:44,041 To look for a way to be 942 01:39:44,041 --> 01:39:45,583 immersed in something they love 943 01:39:46,250 --> 01:39:46,500 I 944 01:39:47,041 --> 01:39:50,916 I wish if there was more of a notion that 945 01:39:51,458 --> 01:39:54,958 Just engaging in art actually making art 946 01:39:54,958 --> 01:39:57,416 expressing yourself artistically in 947 01:39:57,416 --> 01:39:58,958 whatever happens to be the 948 01:39:58,958 --> 01:40:00,375 thing that you gravitate towards 949 01:40:01,125 --> 01:40:03,500 That it does heal you 950 01:40:04,083 --> 01:40:05,041 And if you're not 951 01:40:05,625 --> 01:40:08,125 If you're not sick, then it makes you 952 01:40:08,125 --> 01:40:10,375 even better like like it 953 01:40:10,375 --> 01:40:11,583 can take you even higher 954 01:40:12,166 --> 01:40:12,625 and 955 01:40:13,458 --> 01:40:15,041 Just like you know 956 01:40:15,041 --> 01:40:16,750 We're just only now beginning to 957 01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:19,125 understand as a society and not 958 01:40:19,125 --> 01:40:20,208 individually but as a 959 01:40:20,208 --> 01:40:22,416 society that like what you eat is 960 01:40:22,666 --> 01:40:23,750 Who you are like what 961 01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:25,208 you put in is what right? 962 01:40:25,375 --> 01:40:27,583 You know that you should eat healthier if 963 01:40:27,583 --> 01:40:28,833 you want to feel healthier 964 01:40:29,208 --> 01:40:31,458 You should exercise if you want to feel 965 01:40:31,458 --> 01:40:32,708 healthier and be more 966 01:40:32,708 --> 01:40:34,083 like have more vitality 967 01:40:34,708 --> 01:40:36,958 um, I think it just it 968 01:40:36,958 --> 01:40:39,208 should be part of um, like 969 01:40:39,208 --> 01:40:39,500 a 970 01:40:40,666 --> 01:40:43,416 health plan the national health plan 971 01:40:44,041 --> 01:40:47,250 To I could not agree more, you know, like 972 01:40:47,250 --> 01:40:49,166 you need you need to 973 01:40:49,166 --> 01:40:50,875 have a creative outlet 974 01:40:51,708 --> 01:40:54,333 Because it will heal you it will make you 975 01:40:54,333 --> 01:40:55,416 feel better. It will make 976 01:40:55,416 --> 01:40:56,625 you healthier altogether 977 01:40:57,041 --> 01:41:00,333 like mentally and physically I think 978 01:41:01,625 --> 01:41:02,208 Imagine 979 01:41:03,375 --> 01:41:04,625 What you just said 980 01:41:05,541 --> 01:41:07,916 this creative outlet being a core 981 01:41:08,791 --> 01:41:10,958 To every child's education 982 01:41:12,083 --> 01:41:14,250 It is in some places and times 983 01:41:14,583 --> 01:41:17,125 Yeah, it was it's not I can only think of 984 01:41:17,125 --> 01:41:20,000 it being a positive thing. Yeah. Yeah, so 985 01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:22,000 Let's just put that out there 986 01:41:22,750 --> 01:41:25,583 Yes, I would agree with you on this, you 987 01:41:25,583 --> 01:41:27,125 know, we we we we've 988 01:41:27,125 --> 01:41:29,166 created it as as a thing now 989 01:41:29,166 --> 01:41:30,916 It's out there. Um, this has been 990 01:41:30,916 --> 01:41:33,166 amazing. I could keep talking forever. 991 01:41:33,166 --> 01:41:36,000 Thank you so so much for taking the time 992 01:41:36,583 --> 01:41:37,125 um 993 01:41:37,875 --> 01:41:39,875 I'm I feel personally that 994 01:41:41,250 --> 01:41:41,708 You know 995 01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:45,625 For me music especially classical music 996 01:41:46,375 --> 01:41:49,041 It's it always is a little bit. It's a 997 01:41:49,041 --> 01:41:50,208 little bit intimidating 998 01:41:50,875 --> 01:41:53,375 um hearing you guys 999 01:41:54,333 --> 01:41:54,750 um 1000 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:58,083 Compose together and play together. Um, 1001 01:41:58,083 --> 01:41:59,125 it was a really big 1002 01:41:59,125 --> 01:42:00,500 learning experience for me 1003 01:42:00,500 --> 01:42:02,666 but not not like academic 1004 01:42:02,666 --> 01:42:04,708 learning but this kind of 1005 01:42:05,291 --> 01:42:07,458 You know, if there's like this boundary 1006 01:42:07,458 --> 01:42:09,625 of like everything that I know about 1007 01:42:10,875 --> 01:42:13,833 music and expression in that in that way 1008 01:42:14,166 --> 01:42:16,958 Like that boundary just kind of grew just 1009 01:42:16,958 --> 01:42:19,000 like oh, that's wonderful 1010 01:42:19,291 --> 01:42:22,500 From that and you know in part because I 1011 01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:24,875 could I was there and I was experiencing 1012 01:42:24,875 --> 01:42:26,791 it in person in part because 1013 01:42:27,291 --> 01:42:29,375 It it just struck me 1014 01:42:29,875 --> 01:42:30,750 Again, like how 1015 01:42:30,750 --> 01:42:32,750 similar it is to art making 1016 01:42:33,541 --> 01:42:37,666 um, and just talking to you now and um, 1017 01:42:37,666 --> 01:42:39,833 you know hearing hearing more about the 1018 01:42:39,833 --> 01:42:41,666 dynamic of it and and 1019 01:42:43,833 --> 01:42:45,583 What it means to be a musician 1020 01:42:46,416 --> 01:42:47,458 You know and what it 1021 01:42:47,458 --> 01:42:49,375 means to be a painter 1022 01:42:50,166 --> 01:42:52,666 and on on so many levels 1023 01:42:54,416 --> 01:42:55,333 It's 1024 01:42:56,500 --> 01:42:57,708 It's the same there's 1025 01:42:57,708 --> 01:42:59,250 a real similarity to 1026 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:01,250 the creative process 1027 01:43:02,916 --> 01:43:05,875 And openness to surprises yes, absolutely 1028 01:43:06,875 --> 01:43:07,208 Yeah 1029 01:43:08,166 --> 01:43:08,625 um 1030 01:43:09,375 --> 01:43:11,708 So I'm we are going to link 1031 01:43:12,250 --> 01:43:14,041 Um to both bands 1032 01:43:14,583 --> 01:43:15,291 Can I ask? 1033 01:43:16,041 --> 01:43:17,583 Those those uh the 1034 01:43:17,583 --> 01:43:19,333 band's names do they have 1035 01:43:19,916 --> 01:43:21,416 meanings and what language 1036 01:43:22,500 --> 01:43:22,916 Yes 1037 01:43:23,833 --> 01:43:24,250 so 1038 01:43:24,791 --> 01:43:25,958 cuento nazique 1039 01:43:27,416 --> 01:43:28,500 cuento means 1040 01:43:29,291 --> 01:43:31,041 story in tagalog 1041 01:43:31,583 --> 01:43:32,000 Filipino 1042 01:43:33,125 --> 01:43:35,666 And mazique means music in 1043 01:43:36,166 --> 01:43:39,541 Haitian creole. Oh, okay. So this points 1044 01:43:39,541 --> 01:43:41,166 to the backgrounds of me and 1045 01:43:41,708 --> 01:43:42,250 johannard 1046 01:43:43,458 --> 01:43:44,333 story music 1047 01:43:44,333 --> 01:43:48,625 And we do that that's what we do then 1048 01:43:49,125 --> 01:43:50,125 aga delim 1049 01:43:51,458 --> 01:43:52,708 it has a uh 1050 01:43:53,625 --> 01:43:54,875 a long story which we 1051 01:43:56,166 --> 01:43:58,458 Share in our concerts, but that's also 1052 01:43:58,458 --> 01:44:00,958 tagalog filipino for 1053 01:44:01,750 --> 01:44:04,041 sunset and it literally means 1054 01:44:05,625 --> 01:44:09,875 The light or darkness snatching the light 1055 01:44:09,875 --> 01:44:12,125 but it's just become short for 1056 01:44:13,041 --> 01:44:13,333 um 1057 01:44:14,875 --> 01:44:16,958 I think snatching the darkness is 1058 01:44:16,958 --> 01:44:18,833 snatching the light away