[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, welcome to Gavin Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jackie, and I'm Katherine.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're sisters, moms, and Gilmour Girls super fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: So get your toe forky ready and join us for four Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hi everyone!

[SPEAKER_01]: Today we're doing a recap of a deep-fried Korean Thanksgiving, which is season three episode nine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, we don't usually do recaps here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not a recap podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is our first.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're a deep-dive, more a thematic podcast, but tis the season, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's that time of year for Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are thinking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: here here in New England, it's chilly, putting our gloves on.

[SPEAKER_01]: It feels very Gilmore girls outside right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we figured this was a perfect time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so part of why we love this episode and why we wanted to talk about it is because back in 2016, when the revival came to air, we decided to have a Gilmore girls party.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you did.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we got all our, our loved ones around who absolutely love the show.

[SPEAKER_02]: We threw a big party and we decided to watch a bunch of episodes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this one is one of the ones, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we had a ton of junk food.

[SPEAKER_02]: We tried to do it up like Laura Lye and Rorywood.

[SPEAKER_02]: So pizza, Chinese, of course we had way too much food, but that's how you're supposed to do it, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and so we've done it every year up until 2020 for obvious reasons.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we ended up watching this episode every year because we did it around Thanksgiving time.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it ended up becoming one of our favorite episodes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally and your hubby dressed up like Luke give her he does he dresses up like Luke so And he actually, you know looks kind of like Luke and then serves coffee.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really fun Especially with yeah, he has good scruff.

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do you think he would let us post pictures Instagram of him Let's ask him or we'll just do it just kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll ask him [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this one is, it's just so festive.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so they do, right at the beginning of the episode, they do a cold open to the girls watching Grey Gardens.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did not know a lot about this before.

[SPEAKER_01]: little eating, big eating, they're singing, you know, it's kind of like who are they and they they mentioned, you know, these are Jackie Kennedy's relatives.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you knew a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I had watched their revival with Drew Barrymore and found it pretty fascinating.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's very memorable and I thought it was interesting that they used it in killmore girls, but if you think about it, it's so fascinating because both the mother and it's her daughter, right, [SPEAKER_02]: Edith.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's big.

[SPEAKER_02]: Edie, little Edie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you think about it, Laura lie and we're both in more lies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, you're blind.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know why the peliginos chose to use this movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're the opener, but that could be a part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you're right and there's there's something in I have my beloved Gilmore Girls companion book and in that it says that Amy and Dan had a love of this documentary.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure why not not sure exactly where they got that from but apparently the peladinos liked it and they love to sprinkle in their own favorite pop culture references of course.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like Lorelei and Rory say, you know, the women are so free, they're kind of living life on their own terms and we see that with Lorelei so it makes sense to a degree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally does.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a cool opener.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we go to Suki at the end who's just absolutely freaking out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love this scene because the independence in is having Thanksgiving, but she's not going to be there and she's worried about her staff doing it without her.

[SPEAKER_02]: we know she's kind of a control freak about food yeah i mean she's being very chefy this is how all chefs are right do you watch the bear is that way i just started yeah yeah but i mean aren't chefs like this they're controlling their yeah you know mastering their kitchen and so i think it makes sense for her to be acting like this it does and when she goes into the trash pulling out so the time you know [SPEAKER_02]: the tops of green vegetables, my son is why did she decide not to be at the in four things giving?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why did she decide to stay home for Thanksgiving?

[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, well we'll get there when we talk about the Suki and Jackson Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's kind of a mystery.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big holiday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Emily shows up right behind Suki and surprises Lorelie and, of course, like Lorelie, I think she's playing a trick.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so we have to note, this is all coming off of the Yields of Bockel.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't watched this season in a while, the previous episode is when Emily and Richard took the girls to Yale under the pretense of Richard just showing worry around the [SPEAKER_01]: So, Lorelai's pissed about this, they haven't talked in weeks, and Emily's trying to get them to commit for Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently Lorelai hasn't gone to the last few dinners, and so that's it for Emily.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's not taking this anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: They will be at Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_02]: No excuses.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what I found fascinating though is that she reminds Lorelai I wasn't involved in what happened at Yale, and I want you there.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is as close as Emily comes to an apology, probably ever in her life with Laura Lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: She can't say, I'm so sorry your father did that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, she never did that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now instead she just says, I want you there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because she'll never say that Richard did something wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, she's going to stand by him first.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's where Laura Lie first.

[SPEAKER_02]: So everyone just put yourselves back together and let's eat Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so many [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, throughout the series, throughout the series.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, more like the stress, like, oh, hi, Joseph Nolan.

[SPEAKER_01]: When she's messing around with Suki, and this is not the first time she's compared Emily.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Joseph Stalin, and I feel like Stalin comes up several times, and the Russians, and, yeah, to that, I'm trying to place us at the time this was written, but, yeah, I'm not a history boss.

[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me wonder, and it's kind of interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then we had over to children and I'm so glad that we get a little bit of our children friends with Paris, Madeline and Louise, even though this is mostly a star's hollow focused episode, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly about the town.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly about the girls and what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I love that we have a little bit of them because I have to tell you Jack, this is probably one of my like top five favorite scenes of the show or like the top five that make me laugh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like top with Madeline in the weeds for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Madeline gets this look on her face.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of like guilty but sweet at the same time and says that was so distracting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why everything she said sounded dirty.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the way she says it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Showy calls delivery is so cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: Premium.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like innocent.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is, also it's, so it's the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, probably, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which at that time, when you're in school, you just like want to get out of there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you're seeing her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You really want to just get out of school.

[SPEAKER_02]: You want to be on break.

[SPEAKER_02]: You really not focused.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they start talking about college applications, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's supremely stressful, yes, and it's a foreshadowing of what's going to come later in the episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it sets us up for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm going to come back to this scene when we talk about the Gilmors, because there were some really relevant things that Madeleine and Paris were saying about applications.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to come back to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I love Louise's line also, yeah, and the Golgiobodies, isn't me or is that majorly pornographic?

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't leave me anything back to high school biology, and I crack out and then we swing back over to Kirk now we're back in stars.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, we are hitting everyone in this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: So much content.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we find out that Kirk has bought a cat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we see him coming out of the store with all kinds of cat stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he has named the cat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kirk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because obviously.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not confusing at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it just gives Kirk a fun little storyline for the episode and something fun to kind of laugh about.

[SPEAKER_02]: So a little bit of comedy for this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's funny that they come back to it like three at least three or four times.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're the episode and part of me was like, do we need this much about cat Kirk?

[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the comic relief.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Throughout that episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it gets a little intense for me, but it's you.

[SPEAKER_01]: like the bat when they're talking about what happened in the back toe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a little much, but okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we can laugh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sean gonna always brings us a few last years.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize that they're gonna have four things giving.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're about to tell Luke, sorry we can't come and he looks hurt.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like, oh my gosh, Luke's actually going to miss us.

[SPEAKER_01]: They really pick up on that quickly too, which is cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: They did.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like what they do [SPEAKER_01]: So Laura like kind of switches things around for tens that she switched things around.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that they can be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't realize how much he cared.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what that more later, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, Lori is grappling with her new relationship with Jess and specifically with PDA.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they kiss in the street and she's like, wait, it's too soon.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can't do that here.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and he says, she says, it's not right to flaunt it in front of dosies, which of course means in front of pain.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what he says there is, but I want to flaunt it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't help it notice the similarities with season five.

[SPEAKER_01]: after, so we're jumping ahead, but when, you know, after the Dean and Lindsay debacle, Dean and Rory given another shot, and he is now saying the same thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, hey, I don't want to flaunt this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess this is what happens in a small town when you walk around on the street smooching you have to be aware of who you're smooching in front of and they know everyone's watching yeah I mean I guess I appreciate that Rory is trying to be aware of what's going on yeah deans feelings right if it gets sweeter it it is and just obviously doesn't care [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to move this relationship forward totally and I think it's funny that Laura Lai has to remind worry that Dean's going to be moving on to and you see this look on worries face like oh I didn't I didn't even think about yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: and she recovers she will of course yeah but Alexis i thought her acting was good there was really showed all the emotions on her face of not realizing that he wouldn't forever be pining for her she does it so we still Wednesday um yeah moving to the night and stuff thanksgiving and they're walking around this yeah we see peasants for everyone yeah okay yep [SPEAKER_02]: And we're seeing so many characters again touching these Dean again So Laura I runs into him at dosies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and now Laura is wearing the most amazing camel coat.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I have a similar one and I'm thinking is it because of that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that in my head and that's why I bought that coat.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm very heavily influenced more So by Laura, like, then I realize in my life [SPEAKER_01]: I know for a while I was looking for a pink winter coat like hers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't find one though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, all right.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got to look for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so what do you think of this conversation that Laura Lye and Dean have in the grocery store where she basically says to him, I know that you broke up with my daughter, but you and I can still be okay with each other because we're going to see each other around town.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a small town.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a lot of feelings about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

[SPEAKER_01]: actually think it was very mature of Laura lie to do this because she's sensing that Dean wants to avoid her and he's a kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: What does he know about how to interact with adults?

[SPEAKER_01]: He probably feels all the shame and he's not sure why.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it was, I think it was mature of her when Laura lies not always mature.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do people think that she's like betraying Rory by doing this?

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel exactly the same way you do and from what I've heard people think that they have a quote weird relationship So it's crossing some boundaries.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard this before and I think it's ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've tried to create sexual tension between [SPEAKER_01]: Not only Lorelie and Dean, but I think between Lorelie and Jess, because like, Milo Ventimiglia is not that much younger than Lauren Graham when you add it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's closer and aged to her than to Alexis Bladell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: But...

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also thought it was mature.

[SPEAKER_02]: In this relationship, she is the adult, even though she's really not that much older than the kids are, but she's still acting mature.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't, as we know, from her seven nests on the Enneagram, she doesn't want to walk around her town and be uncomfortable with anyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: So true.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she's saying, let's be cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't speak well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we can just have a pleasant, [SPEAKER_02]: And then they're collecting presents for everyone that they're going to see that day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to eat meat, meat, meat, meat, meat, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always use that.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's get into the four things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a kick away with the first.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the first one they go to is the Kim's House.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of see this as the cultural Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_02]: If we're defining all of them in some way.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I did a little research on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so this is actually the first time that we see Mrs.

Kim host a party.

[SPEAKER_02]: and we're actually going to see the Kim's host many more parties.

[SPEAKER_02]: Weddings and, you know, throughout the series, she hosts, you know, lanes, wedding, a cousins wedding and the Chinese New Year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would love that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, these are really some of my favorite Mrs.

Kim moments because I think this is when we get to see her personality showcase.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because we know that Mrs.

Kim is tough as a mom, as a business woman, she has the strict set of rules that she follows and she expects her daughter to follow in life.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think what's really funny is that none of that changes when it comes to hosting a party.

[SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: For most of us, when we host a party, [SPEAKER_02]: We welcome people into our home.

[SPEAKER_02]: We want them to be happy and comfortable and at use But this is not the case with Mrs.

Care.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: She wants people to abide by her rules But to her credit, she sets out the rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they do know what the rules are when they enter the home.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you break it, you buy it 15% off for cousins or something like that, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like 10% for aunts and uncles.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I got that wrong, but close those lines.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's laying out all of the rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: Love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they know what's up.

[SPEAKER_02]: So in some ways, I feel like she actually doesn't want people at ease in her home.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she just wants them to primarily to follow in the rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And to behave.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's like number one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually noticed if you look closely at the setup on the arrangement of how she put the chairs in the table.

[SPEAKER_02]: So typically at Thanksgiving you think about eating around a communal table.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she has it set up where the chairs are in line facing the front of the room.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at the front of the room there's a table with all the food on it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it almost reminded me of church.

[SPEAKER_02]: like the food is the altar with yes and then everyone's staring at the food and so that it doesn't really encourage socialization no conversation and everyone's sitting with food in their lap it's just funny it's very funny it's kind of it's like sitting at school or at a presentation or it's like very corporate very [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I had a patriarchal, and I would actually, so I draw a line between Mrs.

Kim's hosting and Emily in their structure.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Emily also has a clear set of guidelines in rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she has cocktail hour, and you can have a certain number of drinks before dinner, dinner is at a certain time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a dress code.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't take your cocktails to the dinner table.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are so many rules.

[SPEAKER_02]: The difference, I think, is Emily does want people to be happy and comfortable in her home.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, if they don't follow the rules in Emily's home, she will judge them behind their back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she wants to say it to their face.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but Mrs.

Kim will.

[SPEAKER_02]: So someone breaks the rules in her home.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to just yell at them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: Emily will say something once they're out of your shop.

[SPEAKER_01]: very good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I don't think Emily actually wants people to be comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think she wants to give the appearance of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to appear a gracious host who has done all the right things and checked all the boxes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she really wants people to be comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: because since she can like kick them it's all about control for her because then she can kick them out when she needs to by just saying something that's like super polite on its face without being mean, you know, she uses the etiquette as we've talked about in the past to her advantage.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather have Mrs.

Kim.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just be like, it's the same deal, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And Mrs.

Kim, I think has a better excuse almost because it's not just her home.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's her place of business as you alluded to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is where she sells the furniture.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she actually has a lot of tables.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they could have had tables.

[SPEAKER_01]: It did blow the tables.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she doesn't trust these kids and the tables she wants to sell.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, these anti-tables, get away from my tables, get the chair and that is it, and I'm leaving.

[SPEAKER_02]: So my favorite part of this Thanksgiving, my number one favorite part, as we mentioned in the opener is Tofarky.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mmm, so I'll say here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am a vegetarian, vegetarian, you know, I do eat fish, but this is, you know, been for 10 plus years.

[SPEAKER_02]: So at Thanksgiving, I bring some kind of a vegetarian roast.

[SPEAKER_02]: You sure do.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we tell you, there are good ones out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if I've had tofu for key roasts.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't remember the brands now, but they are really good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you gave me healthy roasts or something like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they're not a sponsor, but maybe we should also be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're all good, and you make my things giving lovely thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a vegetarian too, so I appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you guys should try it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the tofu turkey is really funny because it horrifies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, lower life.

[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like the concept of tofu must just be extremely upsetting.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, can I tell you my favorite part and begin Thanksgiving?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Divergelsky.

[SPEAKER_01]: Girl, that's my number two.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's my number.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: I put tofu for key over here.

[SPEAKER_01]: He wants me to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: That can be your favorite.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think we can all agree that Dave Shines in this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: He does.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I think it is?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's because this is where we see him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's [SPEAKER_02]: all in, you know, feelings, because he's doing whatever it takes to date her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is showing it here.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is, and we see this, like, we make it to this at the end, but Lane, he's totally into all the conspiracy with her, you know, like the putting up the fake poster and all the, you know, you know, spies stuff they have to do behind the scenes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rain is very skeptical because remember it didn't go so well with Henry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, when they had to like write around the block for the basket thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Henry was like this is just a little too much for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where's Dave?

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't mind it doesn't mind the subterfuge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the word?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was good girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, thanks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Dave doesn't mind it and he embraces it and that and he's like, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to do you Lane Kims essentially what he's showing that day.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really think that's when he gets into our hearts And we know that he's there playing for five hours without a break without a break and that he starts playing He's always on That was my favorite and that's my other favorite part because We think he can just kind of strum it and Mrs.

Kims not gonna notice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, she's gonna know it.

[SPEAKER_01]: She notices.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's right at him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has to get back into his him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he wasn't really playing Bowie.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so charming.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because at the end, remember, he also soon Nirvana covered that song too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the unplug version is so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he says at the end, like I've got these cool Kurt Cobain cases.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like they kind of brought it all full circle.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was not like his Nirvana moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets paid 20 bucks for all of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't even care, I know, because Elton, mentally, he gets lame.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he should have at least $40.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, back then.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even back then.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't care.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why we love him.

[UNKNOWN]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: And my third favorite part of this Thanksgiving is, Laura Lies 7ness.

[SPEAKER_02]: So what I mean by that is her 7ness from the [SPEAKER_02]: In episode six, we talked about Laura Lyon, the Enneagram.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, love that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: So go back and listen if you haven't listened to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Laura Ly is a seven in our opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what I love is when she walks in with Lori, she just moves through this Kim home with ease.

[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about, this is a different culture where you shouldn't necessarily know everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: It seems that she remembers people from last year.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she is just throwing out people's names with ease.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, hello, so-and-so.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's unfazed by the unfamiliar food.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, by all these people that aren't her family.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's completely comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Laura, lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love, I do love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's nice to wait to show how far they go back together, even though Laura and Mrs.

Kim were never really best friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have the steep history together.

[SPEAKER_02]: They too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love how she walks into the room.

[SPEAKER_01]: They always connect them with their mom, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll come back to that a little bit later.

[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, when we see this Thanksgiving, the Kim's Thanksgiving leader is when Dave and Lene have their first kiss.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's just a great way to wrap up.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the cutest.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Lene's reaction is at all, well, I will kiss, bye, Bob.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then we move from there to Suki and Jackson's house and I'm already laughing I know it's so funny it's so they've got everybody outside in front which is kind of cool it gives you this feeling of like an ideal new England Thanksgiving even though [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's usually pretty cold here in Connecticut.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't usually sit outside.

[SPEAKER_01]: Although we did in 2020, we sat outside under deck.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got lucky that year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of bombing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were able to sit outside.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So typically, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she has her blanket and she's kind of cozy to up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you just want to sit on that picnic bench with her does absolutely do.

[SPEAKER_01]: and have whatever she's having.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we were kind of wondering why our suki and Jackson hosting, like how did that come about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because she is a chef, as we mentioned at the beginning, so it was, I feel like this was maybe Jackson's thing that he really wanted to host.

[SPEAKER_01]: We get the feeling this is mostly his family and friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: So same that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to take control of the turkey.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like Sui is giving up control left and right.

[SPEAKER_01]: She really is.

[SPEAKER_01]: A food.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is hard moment for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Giving up control in her home and at the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one actually gets plastered.

[SPEAKER_01]: She needs every single margarita because this is hard for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so Jackson says he's going to deep fry the turkey.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like in the early 2000s, this was still kind of a new thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're hearing about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot goes into that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think scientifically.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get the vet in the oil.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you have to be careful.

[SPEAKER_02]: You do.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you put it in the yard to get seriously probably smart.

[SPEAKER_02]: He does have a whole face mask and everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's smart.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's prepared.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a farmer.

[SPEAKER_01]: He knows what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you're always kind of like deep-frying a turkey.

[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like so this was a new fad at the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably delicious.

[SPEAKER_01]: People weren't deep-frying every single thing in sight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: That moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's very against it and lists all the foods where it's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: She does.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: In true chef form.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the interesting part is like the crowd again I think is supposed to be Jackson's family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he says something about he's shamelessly catering to his demographic when he pulls out the turkey and they do the countdown.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson's family is definitely written a particular way through the series and time and time again they become to visit.

[SPEAKER_02]: We meet his brother and they do or trade a certain way, like yes, kind of blue collar, yeah, rural and then they mentioned like monster trucks they do, but they're don't [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're trying to give them a certain.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they're this close to just saying their backwards or something, which is probably a term we know when use is anything more that's like what they wanted to portray.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like people out in the front yard drinking, yeah, drinking wild, blading the yard on five.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's like in jeans kind of casual.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one came dressed up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the funniest person in the scene for me that I did not know for like several times of watching it is you don't watch Breaking Bad, did you?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if y'all are listening, Badger from Breaking Bad is in the scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of Jesse's friends, and I'm sorry, I can't explain.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, he's [SPEAKER_01]: He deals drugs with him, but he's guys a nice guy, he's kind of, I don't know, almost like a little bit ditty on the show, he's kind of out of it, but he's a good friend to Jesse and he has a very specific voice.

[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, when I saw him this episode, it's like, oh my God, it's Badger!

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where Suki's comedy really shines, especially when they come back to her later.

[SPEAKER_02]: Total talk about, but oh yeah, she is.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is where you know she's going to be a star.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then we move on from here and we don't see that any food though that really bugs me Because I want to know what food suki has because it's got to be amazing Do you think she made all the sides?

[SPEAKER_01]: I do she had to keep herself busy somehow.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really do Keep her brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah occupied.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what was go like the potential disaster?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't see them leave.

[SPEAKER_01]: We see them show up at the diner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've been cool to see her sides.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now they're at the diner.

[SPEAKER_02]: We call this one the chosen family Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: this I think this is the shortest segment of the four and if you're just kind of not really paying close attention it might seem like it's just sort of funny three main things are happening here with Kirk and his cat and then the overanalyze kiss which means Justin Rory that everyone's paying attention to but then there's a more subtle storyline too of Luke caring about eating [SPEAKER_02]: earlier, and it comes up again.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's important to pay attention to, or you could kind of miss it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the other thing with this segment, I would argue, is that this is ultimately why Lorelei settles in Star's Hollow all those years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's an element of [SPEAKER_02]: caring here where those are her people that she's chosen and they're paying attention to each other.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're caring about the fact that that Kirk's cat is scratching him and they're paying attention to Rory even if it's sort of in a weird.

[SPEAKER_02]: point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, judgmental way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think in their own way, they all have this care and concern for each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like really no way to each other is as opposed to when she's with her family.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like a lot of pressure to be somebody that she's not.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's sweet and energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And here is where again Luke says, you know, no big deal if you're too full to eat, just have some coke or something, and Laura lives up on it again and says, no way you're the main event of my friend.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which we hear again later.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're the main event.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's making everyone feel better.

[SPEAKER_02]: You feel okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, and I think we talked about Luke earlier in another episode being more reclusive not having a lot of friends and family around.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's so sweet that he really wants to share things giving with Laura Lai and Marie.

[SPEAKER_02]: And here he has this little family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jess and Jess.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Jess and Marie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like that we call it chosen family because it really is kind of, yeah, a big reason why she settled in Star's Hollow and we would be with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we have some jokes going on, the flowers and the vase, and yeah, like we said, the PDA between Justin and Rory, which is, you got to give it a little something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bad bet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Always delivering.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could have received her voice even better than that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those were interesting, though, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like, you know, Luke's comment about, should we give thanks?

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, why?

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, well, that we're not Native Americans who got their land stolen and exchanged for small, smallpox-infested blankets.

[SPEAKER_01]: Luke's always keep it real here here yeah he keeps it real and it shows this level of awareness I think book like on behalf of the show but on behalf of Luke to that like okay they're doing this Thanksgiving episode and everybody's having fun and eating a lot but like you know they're aware too that the the story behind Thanksgiving is an exactly what we've learned [SPEAKER_01]: But then we contrast this, Jackie, with the revival.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Luke becomes kind of, no, what's the word?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have issues with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, almost like out of tune, out of touch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's as if he's clueless all of a sudden.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you're less than that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was not the word.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Luke was pretty sharp about certain things.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was not always about emotional intelligence, but [SPEAKER_01]: about other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Worlds have been the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The environment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, you know it was going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: History, yeah, and kept it real.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even though we hadn't watched a lot of movies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does feel like he loses all that in the Revolve.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of a shame.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they changed that.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, either.

[SPEAKER_02]: So are we leaving now, we're leaving our cute shows in family or everyone's paying attention to each other and we're heading to Hartford.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she called the Cold War?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: What?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a question round.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Cold War?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there something when they're standing outside?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're the house.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they show up at Emily and Richard's house.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and this is my favorite.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the best scenes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this episode is so chock-full of great moments.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Laura, Laura Ligos, here I'll be Laura Lig, you be Emily.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she was, oh wow, it's a piano player.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's Brad, I found him at Nordstrom, was he on sale?

[SPEAKER_02]: I found a little background music with add a nice touch.

[SPEAKER_02]: He knows every song written.

[SPEAKER_02]: Freebird!

[SPEAKER_02]: of course, such a good love, the asling.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so everything is like a fancy here, the atmosphere is completely different than anything else we've seen throughout the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like theater-ish, really is very theater-ish.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's ceremonial.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm ceremonial.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Richard and Emily created this thing, skipping just because they're supposed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not because they have a deep desire to be with their family or to give things just because they should.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because why did they invite the perusions?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have no, I don't, yeah, it's, so yeah, so we have like this couple from, you know, probably from Hartford, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to call the Anna since because one of them is Jennifer Anna since father in real life.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Parisians and like no one really knows each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're bringing together this group of randos that aren't friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like sort of kind of strange off the bat.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the privilege is just oozing to me in this scene when they ask the French folks is this your first American Thanksgiving?

[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, yeah, and then the Aniston's are like, it's about giving thanks.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot to be grateful for in this country.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, let's be clear, this was the fall of 2002.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a year after September 11th.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got like George Bush creating this war on terror.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like chaos, like in the Middle East, like trying to, it was just, it was not really a great time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you placed it.

[SPEAKER_01]: In our country?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, like, I was still in college, so, you know, slightly when this, like before everyone had Twitter on their phones.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I was slightly oblivious to things going on in the country, but you still know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: We knew the after effects of September 11, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it just feels like, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because then when they bring out the turkey, [SPEAKER_01]: They have all this help, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: They have all these workers there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've got all these people bringing in the turkey, carrying the knife, playing piano, the mates, the housekeepers, like, all these people who aren't with their families.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first- Do you Richard and Emily give a crap?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the first time I noticed this in preparation for this episode that they have three people come out with the turkey.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know that's not everyone working in the house that day.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've got all these grand gestures.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's so much to be thankful for.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like BS.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thankful for.

[SPEAKER_02]: all of our money and what's the privilege, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much so then I mean everything kind of moves toward the big blow up right from here at dinner where it comes out that worry has applied to other [SPEAKER_01]: And it's this really emotional moment, everybody gets heated and fired up, and it's kind of fascinating because we've talked about this a little bit in previous episodes, but you know, did Laura like really think that Lori could only apply to Harvard?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That just shows a lack of knowledge.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what's more important than that, even, is that worry hit it for more life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she didn't tell her that she had my daughter's schools.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I try to figure that out in this moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why did she hide it?

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we can see why.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Laura like blows up, but then I'm thinking, okay, but does Laura like blow up because of where she found out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's definitely because they're in front of the Gilmores that she blows up.

[SPEAKER_02]: If she found out in their home, would that have been a different conversation?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been different.

[SPEAKER_02]: We started thinking about past conversations where Laura like lost her cool or didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's sort of unpredictable.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is sort of a big moment in Rory's life senior year applying to college.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we see this very similarly when Rory tells a couple of seasons later when Rory tells Laura live that she's going to drop out of Yale.

[SPEAKER_01]: Laura, I tries to convince her, but then her [SPEAKER_01]: emotions spike pretty quickly through the roof and she can't even really like bring it down just to check in with like where is Rory?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why is she feeling this way?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's going on in her life?

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it becomes a little bit more about Laura lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like when she does the heels.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like when she doesn't know what to do in that moment and she has that loss of control [SPEAKER_02]: She just leaves, and that does also feel very certain.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he and Graham, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we have the same situation here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: She gets up and runs from the table.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so immature and inappropriate.

[SPEAKER_01]: So immature.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also that I feel like Laura like drives it to that place.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: She had so many opportunities to stop it from moving to that place, where she had to get up and throw her napkin.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: And run from the table.

[SPEAKER_01]: She could have just said, can we talk about this at home?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but she had to push her and say like what kinds of places did you apply to and I know those people were pushing her as well The guests were questioning.

[SPEAKER_02]: They kept pushing for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird that the guests who are grandparents would know what Chillin would expect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the innocence more yeah for the more lie [SPEAKER_01]: yes but like not that shocking considering she never really wanted to be that involved with children we know she doesn't read the news letter we know she doesn't want to go to parent events right they probably had you know college night come and learn about the application process yeah for parents literally didn't go [SPEAKER_01]: So what I think about in this situation, putting myself in root issues is I can't imagine being a senior in college and having to hide what I was doing from my parents.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like we have friends who maybe didn't have a lot of support in an application process like built in, they kind of navigated on their own and I give people so much credit for doing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But to have to hide it, yeah, from a supposedly supportive parent is a whole different ball game.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think another episode in the future, Rory says that Laura, I didn't put her on the conveyor belt.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I love about my house.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you think about it in this way, it feels like Laura like had her on her own conveyor belt.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she kind of did.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't know who was driven by initially and it feels like where he knows that Laura like can't hold space for her to make any changes in her life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it becomes a big blow up and that's hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a hard space for her to be in.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is, and even hearing Rory say those words at dinner, well, I'm pretty much counting on Harvard.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost embarrassing because I feel like she knows that's not true, deep down, yeah, and that she's saying that for the benefit of her mother, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know anyone who would say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty much counting on Harvard.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is where I want to come back to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why I think that children's scene was so important, not just for the Golgi bodies and the endoplasmic ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_01]: But because when they're talking about what they're going to do on break, [SPEAKER_01]: Madeline is like, oh, I have so many more applications to do, safety schools, backups, and then Paris says the word backups too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I had my applications and my backups in weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they both say the term backups as, as it's this like every day part of their lexicon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a normal thing for seniors to be talking about backups.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you would think then, if it was so familiar to them, the word would be talking about backups at home, too, and that Laura, I would know that word.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she doesn't know that word.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this shows a severity level that she has to hide.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: What she's doing from Laura.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is completely separate from the fact that, yes, we know her backups are ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_01]: Princeton, Yale, and wherever else, Sarah Lawrence, those are not backups.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know those are Ivy League schools, and she should have applied to an actual backup and maybe she did.

[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't get to finish her list, really.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: In the moment, I'm trying not to hysterically laugh and talk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, those back-ups, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's absurd.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unrealistic.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole thing is sad.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when you see Laura lay outside after she leaves the table and then Emily runs right after her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Laura says, I'm just, I just need a minute.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just have to digest this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like painful to watch her.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Struggles so much to get her head around the fact that her daughter might have more than one college.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's almost [SPEAKER_01]: That's just mature, but it's almost like self-aware of Lorela to say I just need a minute to digest this.

[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't always do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, rather than like emotionally aware, but at the same time I know what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: Rather than like just pick another fight with her mother or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's out of database.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so they leave Hartford and then they head back to Star's Hollow.

[SPEAKER_01]: We kind of revisit everybody at this point, but we obviously love the lean and Dave kiss.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then probably the funniest part is Suhi being toasted.

[SPEAKER_01]: How many words can we come up with for Dr.

Andrew Shios?

[SPEAKER_01]: Kathy, you're gonna do this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So many.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like boggled.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I love she goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've already gone through the five stages of grief.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember these two, but they were served on the racks and soats.

[SPEAKER_01]: In the kick, and do you notice when Rory laughs when she kicks?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like an authentic laugh.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Melissa McCarthy's physical comedy is coming out here and just how brilliant she is as an actress.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just happily scotch and scotch and scotch and scotch and scons and acceptance.

[SPEAKER_01]: love it so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we come back to Rory seeing Jess and gives him White the kiss as if she's like over the PDA.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, she's ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course it is night time now.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is night time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a full day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thought helps.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's dark.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, less eyes true true.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jess and Dean have this encounter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if how Dean is just like standing there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when the kiss is done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dark.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was he doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you there?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think leaving dosis.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, still it dosies all day, yeah, the timing doesn't make sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he would have been there for like 12 hours or something dosies would have stayed open.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, it's for it's for dramatic effect and then they get into it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another Dean Jess interaction.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually kind of like this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I like that Dean is becoming a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_01]: angry here and angry just kind of like confident in his, you know, like whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to bow down to the two of you anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be the nice guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he deserves to kind of be there at this moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: He does.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although I find his speech a little weird because when he says this is my town, I find that funny because he's lived there about a year or something and just has been there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know four months or something like your town.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not really a lifelonger.

[SPEAKER_02]: New Yorkers Chicago, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like setting him up for there's like, I don't know, worry pining and and they really want him to be throughout the rest of the series like this blue collar worker.

[SPEAKER_01]: They really don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not going to college all that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: They want him to be townny.

[SPEAKER_02]: They want to be townny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the beginning of that because I think is that where he says are you going to make farmer reference or yeah?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's the beginning of that change in his character.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you had to go to one of these, which one would you, which things giving you go to?

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, come on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Best food, margarita.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And a fire on the line.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like an actual fire on the line, that's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll hang out with you, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, those are some pretty awesome Thanksgiving's.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, before we wrap up, how about you got Tatsyde, where we like to talk about how Gilmore Girls showed up in our lives, so how did it show up for you, Jack?

[SPEAKER_02]: It never fails to show up.

[SPEAKER_02]: This one's kind of a small one, but my husband, for some reason, mentioned an arboretum.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if my daughter knew what it was.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, is that like trees?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought it was so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it reminded me of when Emily is trying to get texts to go to the arboretum.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she seems so offended by that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she does something like I don't need to see a bunch of trees.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she says something like, I'm not a bee.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be!

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes!

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the need to spend all day with plans.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes!

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be beautiful, but that's funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, they're not for tricks.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had, so we went away recently and I feel like I had a bunch pop-up, but we, um, we went up to Storyland and New Hampshire, [SPEAKER_01]: if people don't know it, it's like this amusement park for kids, way up in the white mountains, so fun, really cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I had so many moments, but one of them was we're walking through the entrance area and they have these kind of life, I don't not life-sized dinosaurs, but at least like seven feet tall dinosaurs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're friendly though.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've got their hands up like they're purple and green and one of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my daughter looks up and she goes Luke because it had their names on the front and then I look more carefully.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was cursive writing and I was like it actually says Duke.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was funny because remember when Jason mixes them up like, oh, let's go to Duke's for coffee.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they start calling Luke Duke.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, okay, Jackie, it got weirder.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm showing by by the way, I'm showing her pictures as we talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the dinosaur that was right next to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can you see this?

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a green friendly dinosaur and guess what her name was?

[SPEAKER_01]: It says worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding me?

[SPEAKER_01]: Rory and Duke hanging out next to each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Storyland.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be a fan.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this weird Gilmore mode.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're has to be a fan.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that was nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't leave us ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm going to tell you, I think we have time for one more quick one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: My other tassie moment was when we get home from a vacation, my husband is just like worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: He unpacks immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Laura Lime, remember when they got home from Europe and she's like, wait, you're going back to the real world already and that's always me like, wait, you're unpacking already.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to be unpacked longer than you, you know, like, give it a minute, it's like throwing laundry in and I was having such a Laura Lime moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to extend it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of adapted to his way of doing it now, though.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, it does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is good, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: For me, since you need a happy medium.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I, if this were Gilmore girls, I would not find the yellow.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, you would not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need to move on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something's going to be missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he would.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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