[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Sutton's of a God, a DCU podcast, I am a son of a gun.

[SPEAKER_01]: My name in full is Alexander Good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's good, the lawyer's going to have to tell your family about that, bro.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hello, I'm Justin and look just checking my driver's license in real quick.

[SPEAKER_04]: Justin, go ahead, hold on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we must be brothers.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's your name, third guy?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Pete.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and legally, Pete is our lawyer.

[SPEAKER_01]: He can't say what his last name is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't say what our father is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you'll have to find out as we talk about daddy's little show, which is now out on HBO Max.

[SPEAKER_01]: Episode four, need I say door of peace maker if you haven't watched it.

[SPEAKER_01]: all these puns, these puns are killing me real bad jokes on us and for teams pun more like right now come on anyway if you haven't watched episode for on HBO Max do go watch it because we're gonna spoil it but not a lot go it on this episode as piecebaker returns for not a lot how dare you [SPEAKER_01]: That's one big action.

[SPEAKER_01]: See you there you piece maker comes back from DC to only defined Argus closing in on him and eagerly mean while he realizes he needs to take the quantum unfolding chamber and take it to a new location which he does without a bio they take it to its grandpa's shack.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the big revelation we find out here through a flashback is that Augie did not build the thing and also probably did not build his helmets instead they stole it from an alien who they killed the woods where they were hunting with their kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk more about that as we go on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, hardcore [SPEAKER_01]: finds out that she's been blackbooked, thanks to Amanda Waller from season one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also kind of season two, and also probably the suicide squad, she fights that out from Rick Flag Senior, who recruits her and tells her to get back in the good graces.

[SPEAKER_01]: Argus is Lee, she's going to have to give up peacemaker leading to a potential confrontation at the end here, but I do want to start off with a particular plot point that I didn't mention the recap here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Red said while played by Michael Rucker gets hit on the head, and get tricked by John economist into thinking that it wasn't Eglie who hit him on the head, [SPEAKER_01]: who has been talking about multiple eagles every episode not exactly right but like way closer we made fun of you a lot and it turns out that like multiple eagles is actually a plot point of the show.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well I mean technically it's a lie that is told but the idea that [SPEAKER_00]: I felt very seen I felt like Alex got a shout out to and I felt like this was my shout out where it was like no, there's only one eagle for all you dumb people and Alex was the house a shout out appropriating Native American culture [SPEAKER_00]: No, Alex, he was like, it's a 99-folding world.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how the world's work and D.C.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, that felt like they was directed towards Alex where he was like, how many world, what is this Apolly Pocket universe?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is going on?

[SPEAKER_01]: I literally never said any of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I did a pretty much about how there's an ID died worlds before, so I think the shout-out he's talking about is just information.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do like information, that's one of my favorite ways of finding out things, honestly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just getting information, same.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh, let's not get to stay on the redsade wild thing for a second just because that is a biter very silly part of the episode obviously he's doing an intense amount of cultural appropriation and racism really lean and into it really leaning into it in a way that's like let's walk in a line I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh good, he's dead and we can stop doing this horrible bit, but don't get me wrong, you know, the the actor I think was great, but you know Yeah, my good book is very good and it's, you know, fun, how like, you know, he's like misguided for especially the beginning of the episode and economists calls him out and like we're having fun with it We get him eating a very hard piece of ego shit [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're almost like a pre-leaning snap that I heard that was yeah, yeah, well, why is it so hard for days four days old, so Well, not talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to mention I listened to the Peace Baker podcast for this episode and apparently you mean the one that you're quote unquote dad does [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for legally advised me to say quote of the good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That protects you, right, legally.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, our courts are our court admit it admissible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, our courts don't case close.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: If there is an, there is an air quotes or a pinky promise, I mean, what are we even doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, just be clear, Pete's a playground lawyer from the fifth grade.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did it where I've the law school.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's just the kid who's, I just know what the streets are.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what you mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they, you got paid in pixie sticks, I believe.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a fun dip, fun down.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: That can't really, I can't believe that's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's such a great coffee.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw your ad, by the way, on the subway, the other way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nugies call me.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's no problem with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get you with Nugies, the Nugies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let you give the Nugies you deserve.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 1-800-SW, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, what I was going to say though, Kudi's faction called me.

[SPEAKER_01]: You may be you may be I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I let me just get out this if you're making a saying that I love about Eagle poop apparently The first thing the props department delivered was just like goop and James God's reaction was like no Have you never seen Eagle poop before and then he started furiously googling pictures of eagle poop and sending it to the props department [SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, apparently, he was not happy with what they delivered either, but that was better than like the Goopy thing that they delivered before.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's all the information I wanted to put out there about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're almost like white chocolate that he kind of like just broke off in the night.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a hopeful guess for him from you.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the, I think it was a different, more milky kind of poop.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it was the same.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's just an extension of the same seed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's about that later.

[SPEAKER_04]: But what I want to just get into all of it like the, so like that's like they were starting to sort of get to the comedy of an economist was like poking at a calling, calling out the culture appropriation.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then they cut to the scene at the end where he, [SPEAKER_04]: We cut to like a, you know, music piece where Michael Rucker is dancing, doing like some, uh, I don't know, I guess like.

[SPEAKER_04]: Native American shamanistic type things or property stuff up for a collection of appropriation version of that, but it put it works and then they also use it to find out where actual What piece maker is actually hiding and there's to me there was no joke take here Yeah, it was just this guy is actually powerful and that's cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the first during the story [SPEAKER_00]: though because you were like all of this is just an old racist dude but then it turns out like oh he has powers.

[SPEAKER_04]: So just to take what you're saying there so you're saying like them take away messages like that's funny to be racist but it does work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no bro that's not what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you were just saying the joke was that this guy who we thought was a joke actually [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I think what Justin is trying to get towards this more of the racism side of the power side, so they won't be able to speak.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm speaking just comedically, like they don't pay off the joke there, if they're going to make it a joke.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like, I think, you know, it is not, it's not cool to do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's meant to be a joke, I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just surprised they didn't make it a joke at the end when they very well could have like Pete's saying, but instead it's played so straight, it was just a surprising choice to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure how this is panning out.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like we talked about, I think you brought up last episode, just did you were talking about sort of the silver age nature of this, that the work characters like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll reiterate the thing that I believe, I said last episode, which I agree with you, that's probably the vibe they're going for.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this show is coming out in 2025.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you've got to recognize it in some way and the amount that they recognize it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if they're going to introduce this character, which somebody please listen and correct me when I'm wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely thinking about the call that raises in the last episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've touched on that here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's cultural appropriation or misappropriation is probably the correct term.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is, [SPEAKER_01]: what they were starting to get towards like Pete was saying with like economists digging into him also throwing out terms like china man instead of Vietnamese and whatever definitely like going for having their cake and eating it to humor there when he conquests out and seemingly dies get his head hit [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, okay, that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we killed the cultural appropriator.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Pete, I think what you're getting towards is like, no, we actually give a more power off of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And just what you're saying is like, there's no end to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe next episode we get.

[SPEAKER_01]: It being punished in some way for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I keep thinking that though.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the canary in the coal mine words.

[SPEAKER_00]: This racism is a clue that the other closet universe is very racist as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I mean, I was definitely thinking about, like, maybe the DCU is the racist universe of the other universe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just based on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think what I said before is like, [SPEAKER_01]: you got to make a decision there right you can't be like right we're doing funny racist jokes but also it's bad to be racist like choose lead and go with it and the lead I'd rather you choose is not going for the truly tasteless jokes version but actually making some sort of statement there.

[SPEAKER_04]: right well that's what i'm saying like it's just a little muddy when you'd expect like they're definitely positioning him to be like dumb and wrong and backwards i think but they're not being explicit with it they're being sort of like they're flirting with it and then like big uping giving him power that you would think it would be more a joke is the part where i'm like oh that's structure took me out of the show as a strange [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping it would be a thing where like it kind of most accidentally kills them right and then later Maybe they're sitting around joking and then they're having a beer kind of a nice bonding moment And I'm like hey kind of a great job in killing racism or whatever, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're like hey, but we can't invent these things where a kind of most has to protect you still alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fun [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something that's going to be very comfortable to be.

[SPEAKER_04]: You ain't just on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Alex, that's so funny because, yeah, then like if you're saying, it kind of must have to be like, do the culture of preparation stuff and he'd feel bad the whole time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Good joke.

[SPEAKER_04]: Great joke.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a little plus up for Daddy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me throw out one of my favorite things here, though, which is his name for Nation that may or may not end onto this because I don't have enough of it, but not to go back to the podcast, but James God did very casually mention.

[SPEAKER_01]: that [SPEAKER_01]: And let me actually give a little bit more here because I don't think we talked about here the fact that vigilante in season one was a different actor and they shot most if not all of the scenes and then it wasn't working out and they recast the part with Freddie Stroma and re-shot all of those scenes and then Freddie Stroma redubbed all the dialogue for vigilante and costume.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go back and watch season one, vigilante and costume was like bulkier than [SPEAKER_01]: actor, which is crazy and the actor I'm blanking on his name right now, but at least they've said, both said it was actually mutual creative differences where they couldn't quite exist come to terms in terms of the humor of the character, so ultimately they reach the decisions like this isn't working, we need to part ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: same thing apparently happened with Red St.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wilde, where they shot most of the scenes with a different actor, and then it wasn't working.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how mutual this one was, but the actor was recast kind of the last heck when Michael Rucker, who James Gunn has worked with, on pretty much every project, and very quickly came in and re-shot all of those scenes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the speculation part of the part that I don't know about, but I do wonder if the [SPEAKER_01]: I feel uncomfortable about this and they eventually got to a point where they had to bring in Michael Roker instead.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what sucks about that, I don't think it's a deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't fix the...

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the racism, they didn't, they didn't crystallize the bit, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a different actor, but we're still in this very murky, weird situation.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and I bet you it will pay off.

[SPEAKER_04]: It'd be crazy if they were like, this guy's actually really cool and good.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's going to be what happens at the end of the season, but it's just when you receive on an episode by episode basis, which is what TV is.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of a failure of landing the plane internal to this episode that we're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I'll also throw out there, and I know Pete's going to take exception to this, but also I don't think a lot went on this episode, and whatever they're doing, they could have probably pressed the action down here and included what's going to happen next week.

[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, to get through whatever is going on with RedSaint Wilds a little quicker.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let me just run down all the things I have in this episode so you can shut the fuck up.

[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[SPEAKER_00]: First, I'm going to count, oh, you're counting them?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll give you something to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't joke, joke, joke, don't count his things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell me what doesn't count how the fuck you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're the one that said nothing happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you understand shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of lines of dialogue that happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we got a fly back to a childhood, where we got to see a hunting accent gone awry.

[SPEAKER_00]: We introduced an alien who kind of helped explain the whole classic with the first thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still on the first thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we need to do a full recap.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, let me just, let's just say, like, why we're doing that episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: While you were doing that, Pete, I blinked, farted, burped, and smiled.

[SPEAKER_04]: Does that seem like a lot of happened there as well?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's about a long time since he've done those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is that matter?

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is more important than we know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the point is that, maybe you've been having farted in 35 years, and this is the first time you've ever...

So I just wanted to ask you...

So I just wanted to ask you, maybe you've ever done it for family.

[SPEAKER_01]: On the PSBAG or podcast, they talked about Justin farting and burping, and how it hasn't happened for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And other podcasts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.

[SPEAKER_04]: that's about what he's saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a big clap point.

[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying though I think that maybe we can agree on is there was like a lot of internal recap in the episode with piecemaker sort of telling in the story of everything we've seen this season to add a bio [SPEAKER_04]: and we do get some cool stuff but I do think this was a bit of a treading water episode setting up and you know part of it is us knowing the rhythms of TV and comic books where it's like there's going to be another shoe that drops on this pocket dimension.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that they didn't give it to us is that so I think is a strange choice as well because Not enough happened here to feel like we ate a meal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like we just took nipples on that You guys when you're done taking turns slapping me in the face.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk about this fucking episode Okay love to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna believe this.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are also talking about this episode [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're doing a lot of talking around what actually happens is that's what I love the fact that in this episode, it kind of most stands up for itself.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has a kind of a big, like, fuck you who wants a moment, which I very much felt seen in.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the fact that like, we're learning a little bit more about the kind of history with flag and hardcore, and all that kind of stuff was very interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: This dad is this backwards racist guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: How is he making all these helmets?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we got that kind of piece here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Yeah, and the ads and peacemakers sit down was a little re-cappy But I also liked it because they talked about their friendship that whole reveals she put an ad in a fake magazine was hilarious, but also setting her up [SPEAKER_00]: like really wanting to see if this dementia is real or not, which I'm hoping when she walks in like we've talked about before, she will be like, yo, this is crazy racist.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been there two seconds.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're absolutely right about all that, Pete, and I just felt like it was a set-up episode to get to something that will next episode be really fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's the nature of a lot of just television now where it's like they look at it like a season rather than to a TV used to be where it's like let's make a really good episode and then we'll do it again next week so it's just I think it's just part of it and there every series has this like little middleing episode not every but a lot more successful ones make more TV TV but this this is doing that this is like just setting the table for the next what we have four more episodes [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, former episodes after this, I think a really good example of what this episode was like was John Economist procrastinating on putting in the record the entire time I was Honestly with artists like come on already.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just do it or oh I got I was yelling the opposite.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like you stalled don't blow it man They would need you [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know you're takingception when we say anything negative about anything, but we like this show and I do like this show and there's funny things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just hate you and I hate that.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of stuff that I liked and said so too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let me just launch one more criticism and then let's get to some of the positive stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: I also thought it was strange like this episode, we had a cliffhanger last episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, our guest is coming for peacemaker.

[SPEAKER_04]: Good, good cliffhanger.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then they come for him great.

[SPEAKER_04]: He escapes barely.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cool sets up the door.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's doing goes back to Marcioli.

[SPEAKER_04]: What a fucking great.

[SPEAKER_04]: But then like then the the Michael Rooker stuff and now they already know where he is again.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, we just did we just did this like now they're going to go get him there.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, let's just get it felt like not only this episode not move forward the stuff that some of the stuff it did move forward on felt like we just did this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The major action of this episode was moving a door from one place to another, which is not the most hard to do, very hard to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But let me say I liked that the yellow sparkly CGI was awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: I liked that effect.

[SPEAKER_04]: The way that happened was cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: And to peace point, I liked the mystery of the fact that there's a little space purse that [SPEAKER_04]: You can make a door anywhere, the alien stuff, like the fact that helmet, like putting that as a little mystery in here I think that's that's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like it's a sick space purse.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can I'm also wondering like those dials You know, I mean like he's kind of creating a maybe a new pocket dimension with each door I'm not sure like you see dialing up the racism is he dialing down for each new dimension?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I mean I think [SPEAKER_01]: the thing the way it works is that's basically like a key that transfers the door from one place to another that's not how key works but you understand what I mean but basically like he's a key yes locking key so it is creating a portal to the quantum unfolding chamber which itself has 100 doors that take you to 100 dimensions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pete is this what you were referring to earlier.

[SPEAKER_01]: including the DCU, including the DC2, where the kyphotic alien comes from, the one who is burning the rat-cat creature, and then also, I mean, we don't know if they come for the same dimension, but like where this alien, we see them kill in the opening scene, that likely comes for another dimension as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: I initially, by the way, thought this was an imp, but this is not an imp, this is just an unknown alien.

[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a lot like Sean Gooden doing Weasel from Creature Cavendons, and the suicide squad.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought it was at first.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to find Weasel in the woods, but nope, it's an alien weird alien.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with tiny little penis, if you look close enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: What?

[SPEAKER_01]: And you always do watch it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you know that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you amazing?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm using it to look, you pause, you see.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you don't assume it on craches?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like mode on HBO bash, you could say.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was just going to crotch mode for a half an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're the one telling me not a lot of happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, other than the alien penis, I've been staring at it for a last 20 minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not an answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: When they change the name back to HBO backs, they're like, HBO backs now with crotch mode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's going to be a nice one.

[SPEAKER_01]: HBO on its main size tailing penis.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh...

nice little uh...

i'm forgetting the exact reference here but they talking about like pausing and looking stuff up uh...

they mentioned they're meeting a couper bird park at heartly and vermont uh...

i think it's paul couper bird was a peacemaker writer like back in the day and uh...

heartly also as a reference i thought initially they were talking about it [SPEAKER_01]: or Pied Piper, the Flash villain, but there's actually a, I think, a writer who worked on peacemaker and Suicide's comics, who has a last name of Hartley Vermont is nothing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the character Sasha Boyz's great comics.

[SPEAKER_04]: The wink pit was good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like to this scene at the beginning where they're all just like talking shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I feel like this show is good at.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is like everyone being sort of being a vague dick to each other and then respond.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really like the payoff of that in this one Sasha of the winks.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was maybe her only moment in the series so far where she's like interesting and fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, otherwise she does, I think someone mentioned this in our Patreon Discord, why she's just seems like she's mad all the time and like impatient.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, and this is a character from the comics, if you're going to bring this character over, I hope they're going to have a plan for her to be some.

[SPEAKER_01]: yeah i agree because right now she's just in the straight man roll and that's it and i guess somebody needs to be in that technically particularly when you're doing the talking shit scenes like all the stuff with our guests felt very seasoned one to be we've talked a lot about the difference in humor with season one season two that was straight up just like [SPEAKER_01]: people digging into each other and rally out each other seed that they would have done there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And personally, I prefer the humor and like peak called out the adabio piecemaker scene where they're talking about the soldier or fortune style magazine.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was funny without piecemaker doing like, you're so stupid for doing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, he was like, very nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's an [SPEAKER_04]: Totally creepy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it makes me hearing you say that makes me think like this episode is probably my least favorite And it coincidentally, it's the one that moves away from the emotionally driven story coming from peacemaker Like we don't get a lot of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's recapping it to out of bio, but we don't get a lot of like moves there And I think that's in telling because I think the humor is different.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think the story is different [SPEAKER_00]: The him getting upset at ads for not being disgusted by his outfit was hysterical.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was really nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys just continue to shit, let me start talking about the episode in a more appropriate manner.

[SPEAKER_00]: The tax message that he kind of most tries to send a piecemaker was hysterical.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was long, which is a funny choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that peacemakers taking the time to read it and can put stuff together, hysterical moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was laughing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and some reason Eagle is not leaving without the baloney was a fun bit, um, because he baloney on the red.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's younger.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, here's the thing, because I, for some reason, I'm like, baloney, yuck.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I eat salami, it's often as I possibly do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that, and I was just watching his episode, and I was like, ew, don't let give that ego baloney, that was like, I eat, like, it's like a worse than baloney.

[SPEAKER_04]: Salami, baloney's like salami that's been in the blender for like one second.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that this is a lot of the I always feel like I could be wrong because I think I've had Baloney maybe once in my entire life saying that's something weird when I was like I should try Baloney.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess people need Baloney and yeah, I will never corner.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine, but salami at least has spice in it like it's more spicy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I like it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there we go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listen.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not trying to make the list.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not turning my nose back.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm literally saying why don't I eat below.

[SPEAKER_04]: I try to open the bullish.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing wrong with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because people have successfully painted it as a cheap meat, whether it is or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a similar thing that affects spam, which everybody's like, oh, it's meat and a camp.

[SPEAKER_01]: But spam is also great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like spam is also a game, so salty, but like spam fried rice.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I say, I like spam, I like slimy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like every salted meat, but for some reason, I haven't really gotten into baloney.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was, I'm just having to change my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really like the one, kind of most spit on flurry and flurry got really mad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, who spits on another person?

[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that was a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not to go back to the baloney, but I'm still thinking about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's maybe like TV and movies from the 80s successfully pushing [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, Polori, sandwich, a little bit of a bug about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's something about the Oscar Meyer Weener Mobile, the which pushed Poloni a lot in our youth, that I was like, something's off here.

[SPEAKER_04]: They were pushing it too hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the tons of longer, just want for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: what do they want for me while we're talking about uh a winner mobiles i really loved ads like cool it was almost like a buick uh wagon but it was like a car to love it.

[SPEAKER_04]: don't see that us are talking about something and you make an even more esoteric flag right now is sweet car there i love it.

[SPEAKER_04]: why you guys haven't found him below anyone i want to say a car's name and stand.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a great interview number on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was a funny car for her to be driving around.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like we could accept that we all have different interests and slight in different ways and they're all acceptable in their own ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess probably not.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do, that's a great point and something for all of us or one of us to reflect upon.

[SPEAKER_04]: One moment, Tim Meadows, I thought was funny, the ginger cool stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: Having him get so mad at the space I thought was unnecessary, like, gear change for the character, like, he's so like out of the vibe, like just doing bits.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then when he freaked out, I was like, yes, I love that heightens it to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, have we talked about my favorite, and I'm sorry to anybody who believes this, but crazy theory about this show that's out there right now, which is that Tim Meadows, Lexed Flurry, is actually Martian Bad Hunter, and the reason people are theorizing these marches.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen this like multiple times, particularly on Reddit in different threads, where people think it because they're like, he's so weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I would venture the reason he's so weird is he is a comedic character out of comedy TV show not because he's a martian who doesn't exist on earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the bird blindness and yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it would be an interesting thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it just sort of points to an inability to understand from comedy for a lot of people versus being mixed with like poison theory, Brad, which by you, we all have on this part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one hundred percent.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's like some things are a theory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Some things are just like, this is fun jokes and this is a character with [SPEAKER_00]: They are talking about a lot of aliens.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's numerous alien characters on here, but you see alien characters are like not DC Comics characters.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are a weird dude who likes to burn rat cats, and then a weird alien with a shriveled penis who has a silver fur.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know if he's penis is shriveled, Alex, his species may.

[SPEAKER_04]: That may be a grave.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was cold in the woods.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was out there doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: That sort of space persaz is a penis warmer.

[SPEAKER_04]: The penis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let me write penis warmer down.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: Here I come.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how did you guys feel about hardcore, you know, where it was like, cut to hardcore and she's still fighting dudes and parking lots, drink a bottle of beer.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: What were we just talking about?

[SPEAKER_04]: Tim Meadows, character.

[SPEAKER_04]: The Martian Manor will move on in a moment.

[SPEAKER_04]: But this is actually something you might like to talk about because it's part of the D.C.

[SPEAKER_04]: stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you, Alex, that it's probably just a comedy thing, but both things can be true.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would be surprised if they would burn Martian Manhunter as a character.

[SPEAKER_04]: On A to Meadows an actor that you couldn't really throw into a big, more serious, style action movie as Martian Manhunter and B in just in this show.

[SPEAKER_04]: But maybe, but also maybe, [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm being very dismissive to people online.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like [SPEAKER_01]: It is part, we have been trained at this point to look at all these things not for the thing we're currently watching, but what the next thing is of the thing after that of the thing after that, and my feeling is Tidbedo's has bird-pliedness because bird-pliedness is funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's calling a John Aconobo's Ginger Cool because it is funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is not a clue to a bigger thing, similarly to how like, [SPEAKER_01]: everybody is coming every single frame of every single episode and every single lot of dialogue to point to the earth x theory that dc2 is a racist dimension which some of the things certainly point to that but not everything does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the things are just [SPEAKER_01]: things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's okay to talk about theories.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, just kind of let it be sometimes an adjoyed for what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's also funny to me that I'm the internet of it all when it's like, everyone's like, aha, this is the clue that points to this being a racist dimension.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, we already have enough evidence.

[SPEAKER_04]: like you can stop gathering evidence of like this pencil looks racist.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, yeah, yeah, there's all other stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of surface things like they're all white people of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all like people screaming the biggest clue.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, just like not to keep on this, but I do find this sort of fan behavior very fascinating because I get sucked into it all the time on this very podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, without calling anybody else in particular, I was watching this TikTok for a woman who was talking about a theory about this show or this season being based on Alice in Wonderland.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I'm going to throw out there that I've been watching the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, one of the first things that happens is piecebaker pulls up if this weird place for the Justice Gang auditions and white rabbit comes out and white rabbit is a weird character throwing there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she's the person that sort of leads them down this whole that ultimately leads to another dementia that's sort of like magical and absolutely wonderful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, this is really cool and interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually I really like this idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is something to play with.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she started to get into like, and I started to think about it more and notice all these things like, they cut off the other peacemakers head and who else cuts off heads is the red queen in Alice and Wonderland.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, all right, I think you're going to far and then there were a couple of other things you're following out there at that point I was like, [SPEAKER_01]: You're, I liked what you had to say at the beginning there.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was an interesting, like, not a theory, so much as a thumbatic thing that maybe James God was thinking about while I was writing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we could stop there.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to analyze absolutely everything in every episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you are correct that it is a going down the rabbit hole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are dealing with like going through the looking glass almost literally through the portal door.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that could just be like, [SPEAKER_01]: themes were resonating off of versus specific references from episode to episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's all right.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also the, what is it that Jim Carrey movie, the number 23, whatever, where it's like, if you look for these things, you know what I mean, you can kind of [SPEAKER_00]: work yourself and drive yourself crazy because it doesn't stop when you turn it off.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't believe it, but you just did a reference that was too deep for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know that movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, that's number 23.

[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw an information coming.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was made in his period where he was like, I'll do any movie that's not a comedy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he made this movie that was like, I don't remember being good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it's a fun rabbit hole to go down with it is very precious in that how all of our the internet has root all of our brains and we can be like those conspiracy theorists are crazy But I believe this episode of peacemaker was actually an allegory to General Lee's final charge during the Civil War and here's nine things that will prove my kings Yeah, you know what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just locked up number 23 and I do remember that movie I just didn't forgot about it, but the thing that they were talking about have seen it [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do remember the poster, very specifically saying that a movie theater.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there was, there's a great comic for anybody as a check-in-out called Batman Dark Patterns.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is coming out from DC right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does a bunch of like three issue arcs cases for Batman.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the third arc I want to say was named Paradolia.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is I'm reading it right now, but the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus and basically what it means is like seeing a pattern where there is done and I think that's [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes we are correct, sometimes we are right on the body with this theory, sometimes we are way off, and I think there is this tendency to literally or figuratively go down the rabbit hole with these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: As long as, and here's what I think about, because like I think about this a lot, we used to do this a ton, particularly with Riverdale, where we went down like absolutely insane paths for theories.

[SPEAKER_01]: As long as at the end of the day, if you're like, well, that was entirely wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got a boon out from there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's totally okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have fun with that thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're like bad at the end of the season with likes and flurry Does not turn out to be Martian bad under because of bird blindness Then that's the point where you kind of got to check yourself because you were writing the thing not following the writing where it's going [SPEAKER_04]: Well, plus you're enjoying a thing you ostensibly liked at the outset, way less if you're mad that they didn't do a pretty unlikely thing at the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: And to be fair to us, I think all of our Riverdale theories were justified in a hundred percent.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've learned, sometimes theories like there are multiple birds turn out in different ways that we expect.

[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so hardcore flag is senior here.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a bad idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you paying attention and contributed to the discussion going.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we covered going down a rabbit hole well enough, sir.

[SPEAKER_00]: If we get bring it back to the rabbit hole, that we're all agreed to talk about.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a divot, really.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the layers here that we got with the flag, hardcore relationship were very interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just their kind of back and forth was pretty cold and icy, but man, just heartbreaking news for heart court, you know, being black bald and flag really easy to be like, hey, this is me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all wollers.

[SPEAKER_00]: She did it on the way out the door.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, well, she's not there anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you following with her orders?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you running jitter?

[SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I thought that was pretty, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: was pretty cold, blooded, and I'm worried, you know, I got a little harp when hardcore was walking away and was like, fuck you guys, you will guys all suck anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: That maybe she's going to keep driving and not fuck over our guy, but I doubt it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the thing with hardcore is I've had a hard time getting into her storyline because she's so hard, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, she's right in her name.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I prefer a soft court personally.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what I'm playing, especially for tennis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right there on the same page.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like, you know, she's [SPEAKER_04]: It's a classic arc that we've seen a lot of times where like this person can't deal with their emotions.

[SPEAKER_04]: They fill the void by punching stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: And but then eventually it's going, she's going to make the correct emotional choice.

[SPEAKER_04]: So she's going to honor her emotions.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it just feels so sort of wrote.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I wish there was more detail and layers to her stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because I like the actress.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like the character in theory.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they're keeping her on her just a tight track.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, [SPEAKER_04]: Let's who's in maybe they'll do twist at the end and she will make like fuck over piece maker at the end of the season But like it just doesn't feel like they're gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll see because I mean there's there's love is in the air You know, I don't know piece makers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know piece makers gonna end up with this hardcore or another world's hardcore, but if she's so [SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say that's an interesting thing that they start to get towards but don't really complete the thought when adabio and peacemaker are talking that he should absolutely not be dating the hardcore to from the DC to unless he tells her who she really is.

[SPEAKER_01]: who he really is who he is and they continue a relationship from there once she has all the information on the board it is deceitful she thinks he is somebody other than he is and I'm curious I think they will deal with that at some point and she will probably be grossed out and horrified by it so [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there is a future at least in this season for hardcore and peacemaker certainly not with hardcore too, and probably not with hardcore as well because she is still stuck on the death of Rickflad Jr.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just like Rickflad Jr.

[SPEAKER_00]: I see stuff feeling for peacemaker.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, they drunk and they hooked up on the party mode, but I don't know if that's feelings.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, I mean, I'd say my experience that is the most intimate form of love you could never have.

[SPEAKER_04]: A part of it on a party bow.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: What on party bow hook up?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's role my own Juliet without all the killing each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, she's been originally rooted on a party bow and then they made him change it because they had it been invented yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were called party frigates at the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, we don't know what a pontoon is asshole.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's Queen Elizabeth.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing it here.

[SPEAKER_04]: We write a asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you jacky asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and one, uh, well, I do think, because I think, uh, hardcore two is also hiding something if my theory's correct that she actually is not crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's the racist side.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, I'm like two reveals deep down my personal level.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like if this is Earth X and it is like a racist universe that we're pretty sure it is, I feel like she's gonna end up being a realist part of the resistance, allowing the peacemaker to not be revolted by her.

[SPEAKER_04]: That'll be something she reveals and then he'll be like, funny, you say that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've got another dimension and I killed the guy that you have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me throw something else out there because I have seen a little bit of that, particularly because hardcore, Keith and Oggy are all presented in the opening credits from DC2, as well as the main versions.

[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously there's going to be some focus on there.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's also been a crazy about a speculation about Keith, maybe being the Keith [SPEAKER_01]: or something like that, which I might be in to think is interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: But my personal suspicion at this point, and I know this is like...

[SPEAKER_01]: sort of digging the same hole, I bet digging all episode, but I think it's going to be a benchmark straight forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a Nazi-de-measured.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're all-de-measured Nazis.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think an absolute best vigilante is part of the suds of liberty in the other dimension and is exactly the same as he is in the mid-de-measured.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because we already got him wondering, he was like, oh, I wonder what I'm like in there.

[SPEAKER_04]: and it's probably like legitimately exactly the same like that would be it's funny I feel like it be funnier if he was like a badass super clear headed on it dude who knows how spiders eyes work [SPEAKER_04]: So, but I agree with you, it's one of those two choices, which everyone is funnier.

[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I also, I did really like the toss away line from Adabio.

[SPEAKER_01]: She walks into the shot just like, oh, it's spiders.

[SPEAKER_01]: Adrian, love this place.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Really establishing that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but interesting, talking about theories, like, there's this in the Adabio piecemaker scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: She goes way out of her way to say, that's probably a world that messes with your mind and gives you exactly what you want.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_04]: Why would?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing we just don't think is accurate.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was very strange to have put a flag in it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like it was the opposite from that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was James Gunn being like, Oh, people might speculate about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let me throw off this possibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: And piece bigger was pretty definitive about it's not that, which was a way of moving on from that particular plot point.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it was just strange to me because [SPEAKER_04]: If anything I would, why would that be your first thought?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why would that be your first thought?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she was, she was grinding.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was trying to kind of rust with this idea of like, he is broken and he's mentally projecting a closet where he can walk into and be with his family.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the next step is like, oh, if he's maybe it's a world that kind of does that for you, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it was a strange line, it struck me as in a scene that felt like it was almost all recap.

[SPEAKER_04]: She says this wild idea and there's a beat after it for Peace Maker to think about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it could have been a joke with a sort of a bum style reaction, but I don't know, it struck me as odd.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about throwaway lines that were fun when he was stalling at the door, a condom I was being like, it sounds like a cat is an adjor, he's like, all right, but afterwards we should really get to that if that was fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: Great way to confirm your line.

[SPEAKER_04]: Another line I liked calling Judo Master at Little Kung Fu Bulbasaur.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now is the is judo master like the Kenny are they gonna kill Kenny every episode is that kind of the fun of judo master I didn't kill him.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying like piecebaker landing on him and knocking him out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well you looked dead and then the episode we saw him last time We thought he was dead and it's [SPEAKER_00]: like well, yes, I think it's a similar.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not actually dead, but I think the bid is that he gets absolutely wrecked all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: That fight seemed by the way very fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: The judo master, he's maker one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well staged.

[SPEAKER_01]: I liked sort of like consistently kicking the football down the field and going after it with a silver case and that being piecebakers focused versus judo master.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good stuff there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, judo master calling the race is due to what he said [SPEAKER_00]: It was a really funny line, but yeah, I like that whole kind of back and forth there in the van.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else about this episode?

[SPEAKER_01]: We want to call out in particular.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will call out our episode of the podcast that occurred to me that going back and defining Parodolia is probably the most podcast they've done in 18 years of doing podcasts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to throw that out there at a apologize for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't put that out there because that's probably true.

[SPEAKER_04]: Too much information.

[SPEAKER_04]: You over eight on information.

[SPEAKER_04]: One last thing I wanted to say, we talked a lot about how, in the previous episode post credits scene was like clearly an improvised scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was very fun and funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: This one, which was the eagle should.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: This one felt the opposite.

[SPEAKER_00]: This one felt like a scene that was written and meant to be played like he was improvised I felt like it was just an alternate take where they had this long one and then they cut down One and used that's what Justin is saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, but I I feel like when in the tomato scene And what what felt genuinely improvised this one felt like the he knew what he was saying and it was forced in Prove So like I was like, oh [SPEAKER_00]: the last joke this eagle eats better than I do that is a good line that's a very fun line and use when I'm your time you see somebody like all look at this dog it's got better clothes than I do you know whatever it's a fun bit [SPEAKER_00]: No, you've been somewhere and you've seen like a really well taken care of dog or a really well taken care of Yeah, like a really well dressed dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you how long did it do it?

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're sitting in the top Pretty well dressed animals walking around I don't know what what what piece of clothing I saw here with a top hat.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm one time waiting in right there Nothing, no, but that's just a top hat like you are I assume wearing more clothes than just a hat on a regular basis [SPEAKER_00]: What's your house in just it's happened I've walked on in a barrel before with suspenders on it, so I don't know what you're sure We've been you're having a hard time out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right That's probably by the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was pop-up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do a great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there is this fun kind of parody going on Work DC does the flip now and now they're doing the after credits where they're kind of winking at that whole kind of bit [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, Marvel has not invented after credit seeds or Ed credits seeds, and they did this in the first season as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like to flip, just like they're doing a flip.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're doing after credit seeds, just like they're doing after credit seeds, you tell me, guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now that's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess actually Marvel did invent opening credits and closing credits.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the first movies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for saying that I was right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember back at the day when they first showed off Iron Man the first movie in 2008 and people were like, Whoa, is this real?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is he coming towards the picture?

[SPEAKER_00]: The ocean is a blade mentioned blade never heard of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, guys, do we have to have all of our fights all the time?

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess we do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess we do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just real quick to put out our theory hats that are the only things we wear.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to see happen in episode five?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll mention this is the last episode that was sent out to critics.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last three episodes have been held back from press.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also James Godson is PR agent for some reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: I assume they have it now after they heard that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the last episode before some apparently big, crazy things go down.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think it's what we've said, like we're going to get the dimension, the story behind the dimension here, uh, revealed, and then that's, I think that's when the whole story will really touch off.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've really liked this season.

[SPEAKER_04]: This episode was a divot for me, uh, so I'm hoping it can pick back up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait.

[SPEAKER_00]: Stop hitting the scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you fucking asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm, um, well, this is what we're talking about this season is a whole issue.

[SPEAKER_04]: But golf into this, Jesus Christ, uh, divot can be unrelated to golf.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, we're when else do you do it make a divot?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well you see divots look a tiny hole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I'll golf course, where do you talk about golf or anywhere?

[SPEAKER_04]: I think anywhere you see a tiny hole, you can call it a divot.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you call tiny hole when you're not on the ground?

[SPEAKER_04]: A tiny hole you asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, I'm most driven that tiny hole.

[SPEAKER_01]: And sorry, just to explain a divot, and this is pretty interesting, is a piece of turf cut out of the ground by a golf club and making a striker.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think Pete is right here, though, I've seen a lot of theories online, and it's interesting that this actually connects.

[SPEAKER_04]: early 16th century of unknown origin and did should I keep going should I keep doing no really see why you are information crazy yeah here's a thing though he you said on a golf course but you can actually swing a golf club anywhere well well that's it's proven that yeah but you call off into it [SPEAKER_00]: So either way we're talking about golf.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I think that I'm I'm pulling for a romance sooner rather than later.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see these crazy kids start improving their lives in ways I can get behind and I don't care if it's one hard court or the other or one well I guess there's only one piece maker now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well technically there's 98 more but I just [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to either get into the dimension and call it racist and move on and then kill off rocket's character so we can kind of have a nice last three apps, but we'll see what's going to go down, but I'm also hoping that EGLE takes out tomatoes.

[SPEAKER_00]: How many more Eagles will we see Pete this season?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to...

Oh man, I'll always not need more.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, and one from each to bed, shouldn't?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's solo beasts I heard in this episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: From a trustworthy source.

[SPEAKER_01]: The truth.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, I want to see some sort of comedic resolution to the Michael Broker thing that it's just starting to create at me a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if we can get that, I'm going to feel good about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But...

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, otherwise what you guys said, let's move on with the DeBedgethig, let's have the other shoe drop so we can move on because I never like it what it's like.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're holding back the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just get to the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like whatever the story is.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the story is racist DeBedgethine, let's get to it and figure out what that means for peacemaker, let's stop.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hopefully not spit our wheels too much longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to youtube coming out we would love to shop the about piecemaker apple spotify android or the app of your choice to subscribe listen and follow the show comic book club live dot com for this podcast many more until next time daddy we love you [SPEAKER_04]: Daddy, we should call them dad, but now we call them dad, but now we call them dad, and that's better.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is better.

[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, what do you guys, uh, what should we be calling Jennifer Holland to is married to him?

[SPEAKER_01]: Should we be calling her mommy or mama or what is mama?

[SPEAKER_01]: Mama.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pete, what do you legally think we should do?

[SPEAKER_01]: No.