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Welcome to the next episode of In Bed with Cody and Sound some Nerve.

That's the full name.

That is my name, some nerd.

But good, you look really good.

The hair looks good.

You too?

Yeah?

Your haircut today, I know.

And I even got to go get a petticure.

I haven't done a petticure in a while.

That was really nice.

And also she didn't try to talk to me.

I personally when I'm getting a pedicure or haircut, well, our haircut person, I like, he's like become a friend.

But like if it's a pettica person who I don't know, I've never talked to you.

I'm like, you just just let's just let's just sit there and relax, you know, I just want to sit there and relax.

Zone.

But this place we go to, it's called Hammer and Nails, so it's like a nail salon and haircut place.

It's completely marketed for men.

Yeah it's not.

It's not like your typical nail salon.

I guess that, you know you you might see.

Yeah, you pay like a membership price once a month and like you can you know, haircuts or petticurros or facials or you know, all kinds off.

Like they don't even have any nail polish there, you know, Like, yeah, I and I actually like to do a clear coat sometimes, but I forgot that they like today She's like, oh no, we don't.

We'll buffer it and make it shiny, but we don't do a clear coat.

So she's want to like this faggot.

Yeah, I don't like that word.

I get.

Yeah, I don't like that word.

That's where we offer.

But we took it.

We took it back, did we.

I don't know.

We can say it, but I still don't like it.

But other people I don't like.

I don't like it when other gays say it.

I don't like when gays, I like, you call me sis, Hey, sis?

I gay?

I don't.

I don't know.

I don't just really like that word.

I like saying it, though, get in the chills.

I don't know.

What do you guys think.

I don't know.

I feel like, even if we took it back, I don't like to hear it.

I like it more than the word queer.

I don't know.

But anyway, onto our topic.

I don't know.

I don't think anyone says hey, queer.

Everyone's like, I'm queer.

Queer.

Party you know, yeah, you want to say party?

Oh god?

Anyway, this is we're approaching canceled cancelation culture right now.

So there was a time where I was not allowed to drink coffee, but I was allowed to baptize dead people.

And then they said sex before marriage was next to murder, and now I do both.

But on camera, I'm talking about being raised Mormon.

So this episode is about being an ex Mormon, and you're, you know, an ex engineer.

Almost now we're extra extra gay.

I'm not an ex engineer, but you know, everyone asked my religion growing up, and I just say I was too poor.

My parents had to work on Sunday, you know, and then that's the end of the conversations.

And Mormons weren't allowed to work on Sunday.

Yeah, we would have been even poorer.

Yeah, you know.

I think that's why a lot of people think, like Chick fil A's, Chick fil A is by Mormons, but it's not.

But you know Mormons.

It was like, really, really Catholic, right, No, it's Christian, it's Christian anything.

Yeah, I mean I don't really care.

Catholic and Christian?

Are they different?

Yes?

Oh my god, get us canceled again two times in an episode.

I'm sorry, someone's gonna cancel me a gay man who does porn for not knowing the differences between religions I know, Okay, when some people doesn't don't know the difference between World War One and World War two.

Okay, that's that's the main politics.

I would really rather not debate politics with you.

I don't like Daviati Paul's with anyone.

That's that's what air where I keep my mouth shut because I will instantly put my foot in our mouth.

I put the effort to learn and learn things that are real.

I mean I just with that, like it goes in one ear and out the other.

I cannot retain it.

Like I still don't understand.

I still could not tell you, like, like, what does fiduciary mean?

If I'm gonna I'm going to like face my whole life and decisions on a book that somebody wrote, I'll just follow, you know, one of the Harry Potter novels.

Well, we can get we can get into the books.

We can get into We're going We're gonna get in all the books.

Okay, So for for I guess I want to start with just kind of for those who don't know, Yes, I was raised Mormon and what comes along with that.

So then a lot of times people think like, oh, I'm raised in Utah, which I wasn't.

I was still raised in southern California.

There is a strong Mormon presence all over the United States.

You know, there's just down on the street from US here in West Hollywood there's the huge Mormon Temple and Santa Monica Boulevard.

When we drive down to San Diego, right off that freeway, you see that it looks like Elsa's Castle.

I was gonna say, it looks like else it looks like Eli's castle she builds when she's singing let It Go.

Yeah.

Yeah, So that's there, you know.

So and those those actually are not like the like when you go to church on Sunday.

Those aren't the places that you go to church.

Those are like the special higher up parts of the church that you can really only actually go into if you hold position a certain place in the church, or actually you have to be a member.

But so for me, what what what being Mormon?

You know was it wasn't just about being at church and you know, being just a member.

It was it was on Sunday.

It was a three hour church session which included like meetings with the kids, meetings with your church leaders, and then there was an overall hour and a half sacrament meeting with all the members in your city where they did the whole sacrament and all that stuff.

And that's not where it ended.

Then Mondays were something called family home meeting where you would meet with Mondays.

Mondays, yes, this is every Monday.

Gray was when my mom and I watched Melrose Place.

No, this is when we had family home meeting and so on.

Apart from just like waking up and saying a prayer when you woke up in a prayer before you went to bed family home meetings where you would on Monday nights you would get together and you'd read some scriptures and you would have a lesson like and it was usually just with your family, like your parents and the kids.

Would your mom do that?

Yes?

Could you watch TV?

Like after it?

It wasn't.

It wasn't like Mondays You're not allowed to do.

So it was just like a you know, like a good like half hour to an hour, which to like a five year old, seven year old kid like.

Feels like forever.

Oh my god.

Yeah.

So and that was you know, Mondays, and then Tuesday and Wednesdays.

As you become like an adolescent, they put you in something called young Men's and that's where like every Tuesday Wednesday you're meeting with kids of your age.

Actually you go to church and you do activities, whether that's like volunteer work, that's like you could play like you know, sometimes it's like we get together and we play dodgeball or basketball, you know, that kind of stuff, but it could also be volunteer work.

And then Saturday, a lot of times, you know, they'd invite us to like voluntarily clean the chapel and then then it'd be Sunday again, and so it's like they really spent.

And then once you're in high school, they do something called seminary and that's where you get up two hours before school starts, which is already at fricking.

We made it to school, and I lived ten minutes away, so school started seven thirty in the morning.

So I'm waking up at five to go to what's called seminary at six and do like an hour long lesson with kids my grade at church.

And we're meeting, we're learning about scripture, and then we're and then we're.

Going to school.

So like this wasn't just a you go to church every Sunday.

It's like your your your whole life.

Is being So you were at the church a lot of times without your parents.

Yes, Like, even if I was religious, with the way the world is and seeing how much sexual abuse is happening in these churches, I would not be sending my children to these churches without me.

There is no way in hell that would happen.

I will I mean, I will say that.

I mean, I granted you don't, it's not you don't hear that stuff about the Mormon Church.

It's a Catholic church.

That stuff.

Yeah, that stuff doesn't necessarily happen with church leadership from what I'm aware of.

But I mean I think with the Catholic Church, you hear like the pastors or whatever, right.

Yeah, but I think I think some of that has to do with those people or has to be like celibate for not that this is an excuse, but like those people have to be celibate for their lives.

And then they're you know, sexual energy.

But that's not to.

Say that like sexual abuse doesn't happen in the Mormon Church.

I think sometimes it can.

Like I've seen it, I'm not seen I heard of it happening with Mormon families.

And I think that Mormon families tend to brush things under the rug.

I mean like that, you know, like they they're like almost like you know, it's that whole like blame the victim, that didn't happen, let's live in, let's let's present ourselves a certain way.

If that was a prerequisite to be Mormon, my family would qualify, that's for sure, because that's how I grew up.

Well, you know, like we're I'm really close and well, we're really close with my cousin, you know, Daniel, and.

Black gay Mormon.

You know, doesn't anomaly that mean it's not Mormon.

No, I just I guess I don't know if he'd want me to say on here, I don't know, but he he's talked about like his his his family specifically, and I've seen it happen.

I've seen it happen with our because we have eleven aunts and uncles in our whole family, Like they present and when you see them out, they're so sweet, they're so like my kids are the best thing ever, Like everything's going great, blah blah blah, and then behind.

Closed doors, it's it's chaos.

It's chaos.

Find out one's doing porn like us.

Yeah, So it's it's a lot about it's a lot about the lies, the secret lives of Mormon lives, which is another thing that we love and wanted to talk about.

And I guess we can kind of segue over there for a second, because we are really fascinated with that show right now, and it's got its own perspective.

I'm just fascinated to talk about this in general.

I'm not even involved.

Yeah, because I never I I didn't go into adulthood being Mormon.

So a lot of my memories are from childhood because I did get excommunicated.

At you didn't go on your mission.

I didn't go on my mission, you didn't go to Korea, and like, yeah, they're K pop and stuff.

No, I don't know, but but I still I still love I've been to love watching that show.

Well, yeah, but we love that show because they're so like going against the grain of Mormonism.

Well, you know, half of them, some of them pretend to be pure Mormon, but you know, you know, they're they're just a new generation of Mormon, and I think that's kind of what they're trying to express.

But honestly, at this point, it's not even about the religion.

They are just catty girls.

Like they're all fake as fuck.

Like it's great tv.

You know, get their coin, so appreciate it, entertaining to watch.

It's fairy at this point, Like, well, the first season, you know, there's a lot of Mormonism involved, and now there's like we're barely talking about me and Mormon at this point.

Oh yeah, because there's just so much backstaff.

Now it's just now we're just now, we're just like in the families, and you know, it's it's we barely are talking about being Mormon.

But they do talk about so they do, like they do talk about.

The scandal and all that stuff, which when they actually describe what happened in the scandal, it's very mild.

But then they do talk about, you know, a lot of them are are doing things before marriage that you're really not supposed to do, and and that that was just like something that I was raised as a big no no.

Like yes, being gay was considered a complete temptation and not an identity at all.

So you have to you know, completely question yourself worth about all of that.

But also sex before marriage was very heavily taught.

It's very very heavily taught, like I think more so than a lot of religions, profusely that you that is a big no no.

And that's and that's why so many Mormons they date for like two months, Like I have a lot of Mormon cousins.

Yeah, they dated for less and less than two to three months, and they are all of a sudden engaged and they're married at like the six to eight month mark.

And they are baby making machines.

Like literally, we went to your grandma's funeral in saug City and like twenty twenty, twenty twenty, and none of those girls had babies, and now they each have like three.

It's like the craziest thing I've ever seen.

But you know what's really funny.

I grew up in like rural Pennsylvania, Amish Country, Pennsylvania.

I am not Amish, but I grew up around the Amish, and there was one girl in my class who was Mormon.

I had no idea.

I had no idea about the Mormon religion at all growing up zero.

So even when I heard this she was Mormon, everyone just compared her to being Amish because that's all we knew.

Yeah, Like I just.

Figured Mormons were Amish, you know, and like the more modernized version of Amish is Mennonites.

Like that's all I knew.

And there's Catholics and Baptists and the Zion Church, and you know, Mormonism was is pretty much non existent where I'm from.

And I actually learned about Mormonism when I became gay because so many gay men were Mormon.

Isn't that weird?

They're so against homosexuality.

But the reason I learned about Mormons was because I came out well, which is such a crazy thing to think about, because like I learned it because of gay men.

You know what, they're like producing gay man as fast as they're producing.

Well, you know what I'll say about that perspective.

I think it might feel like that more so because sometimes when you're you know, like Christianity is such a big, big religion, but there's so many people that I identify as but they're not like at church every Sunday, like if you're if you're Mormon, like you're Mormon, you know what I mean, Like it engulfs your life, and I think people people view it as a like a cult sometimes and and that's because like the things I just described, it's not just church on Sunday, it's all these other things.

And I think that's why even now.

When we meet people who don't know that I was raised Mormon and we tell like it just gets brought up.

They're like, you are raised Mormon, Like they're so fascinated by it, So it becomes almost like like it's it's an identity thing is first.

So I think like that's almost why it feels like you're meeting lots of gay Mormons, but percentage wise of the gay Mormons you meet versus like just gay Christians or maybe gay anything else.

It's probably not that much different, but it just feels like that because Mormon Mormonism is such an identity to people that are Mormon and race Mormons, so right, I don't know, that's just a thought.

I went to your how do you feel about this?

When I need a game a gay person and they say, oh, it was Mormon right right away?

In my head, I'm like, oh, that's why you're like that?

Is that?

Like, do you think that's like a negative or a positive?

I know I've only heard that term when people are like, oh, like the gay Mormons I've met are always so nice.

So they're always very attractive?

Number one, they do they there are there are a lot of game.

I will say it.

Gay Mormons that were.

In general tend to be very attractive, especially the women.

The women Okay, well I mean the women I've met.

Because you're confering it to the s.

Also your family, like most of the girls i've met are attractive, like your cousins and your sister, and you know, yeah, I mean, I'm not talking about like the older women.

They're beautiful older women, but you know, think of myself.

A great friend.

No I I was.

Maybe I'm just being mean, but I I just remember the Mormons that I grew up with, Like I don't know, I just feel like they were kind of plain.

Alls I know is my I have I'm going to get killed.

I have family.

My mom has a lot of sibbings and the oldest is she's married to a pastor of a church, like this multi million dollar church in Ohio.

And like they are.

They do not get botox, they do not even put makeup on, they do not wear jewelry, they do not like they don't do any of that.

So to be such a devout anything to a religion, it's just weird to me that they're like getting boob jobs and facelifts and like all this stuff that's so unnatural in my opinion.

But like still I don't know standing on business when it comes to like certain things in the Bible, and it's just like I don't understand.

This is why I have such a problem with people or super religious, is they pick and choose the things out of the Bible that they want to focus on and then the things that you know would affect them negatively, They're like, Oh, that's not a big deal.

And that's I think why I have separated myself from religion completely.

Granted, I didn't grow up with a religious family, so I mean, I can't really compare to like you or any of our friends who like grew up who went to church every every Sunday or whatever.

Honestly, the only time I went to church was when I was grounded, because I knew that.

My parents wouldn't come in and kept me.

It was literally you could ask my mom, She's like, oh, you mentioned that.

I was like, we knew you were the smartest on this family when we were ground you and you would go to church.

She's like, what are we gonna do?

Come and pull you out of church?

One?

Am I better?

One of my better ideas?

For sure, I was just trying to get close to God.

You know, I'm sure you were sure you were I honestly, it was the singing.

I like the singing, you know, and Mormons love the singing.

I like to go and sing.

I didn't care what I was singing about.

If I didn't believe it, I went to sing.

That's why I went I love to sing.

I was, I was, I was sorry.

I was just thinking about when you said that, like singing, and it brought me back to like there was a lot, there was lots of singing.

At the Mormon church.

And I remember there was a room by I probably shouldn't talk about that yet.

I don't want to talk about it yet.

Anyways, secret a secret, Secrets are no funds.

Secrets hurt someone.

Well, I wanted to.

I wanted to segue into just talking about like sex shame and like the gay guilt that lingers.

And I think this is with something I know a lot about.

This is Yeah, it's with any religion.

I think, you know, like I said, I am not Mormon anymore, and which oftentimes people find surprising because I feel like it's known inside and outside of the church how hard it is to get excommunicated and what that means.

Yeah, we literally watched how hard it was for Whitney Rose.

Yeah, ask me just just like just you house the Salt Lake, so like so easy for you.

I just pissed off the right person.

You should wear it as a badge of honor, No I do.

I actually I think we should get that letter.

I'd frame it.

I do want to get the letter framed.

What I actually what I did find out and I never did it was I called the Los Angeles Temple where they hold.

All the record.

You called.

I did like recently, yeah, like five minutes ago.

No, like a few years ago, before I met you.

I just I forgot to go do this.

I forgot to go do this.

Was they said.

They're like, oh, yes, we do have on file that letter, because what excommunicating means is because I was baptized.

When you get e communicated from the moment church, it means that you are no longer baptized.

Like I can walk into a church and go go to church, but I'm no longer considered a baptized member.

So they do have on record the letter that they sent me saying that my records were being removed from the church, which I like lost because they sent that to me when I was seventeen, And you're probably like, fuck this, I was, you know, No, I was, I was, actually I was.

Actually I was more just like whatever about it?

I do.

My mom actually cried, and my mom didn't cry because because I got excommunicated, and this is why I love her, you know, rest in peace.

She cried because she just didn't want she was so pissed off at the church for doing that.

She's like, there were so many other avenues that they could have taken prior and like, and I also hadn't gone to church in like six months at that time, and she's like in her mind, she was just sad for me because she just didn't want me to be mad at the church because.

It wasn't even the church.

You probably just when you be mad at whatever higher power you could believe in.

And yeah, and also because my mom had had had a time where she didn't go to church for like a decade, but like she just she just didn't want she didn't want me to be upset with, you know, having that connection to the church.

And and and then more so, she I remember like listening to her call church leaders be like why did you not just leave him alone?

Like she was, But she never once came to me and made it seem like it was my problem.

And that's why I love her for that.

But I don't know, but so, yeah, I do have as I do have access to the letter.

I have a father who's like, you're not my son get a DNA test, you know, so that's a good parent.

Yeah, fuck you, dad, You suck that.

You just did your I did did here your DNA.

I can't wait to take a photo and send it to him and be like, I hope you're ashamed of yourself because.

Granted, if it will come back someone that was a Christmas gift from someone, right, I got it my elephant and our friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Honestly, if it would come back and it would say is my father, that would be the best feeling in the world because.

My dad is trash.

You know, we're gonna go back for the Mormons now, It's fine.

I love segueing, you know, Yeah that I mean he he buried he.

He buried his green.

That's not the right says that socialism.

Uh no.

So I wanted to tell very quick story like I don't know if I've ever told you this, but like even even self pleasuring as a teenager or as a person is considered a sin.

I don't know if you told me.

You either told me or I learned it from secret lives and more.

Yeah, so you're not supposed to do that, and if you do that, a lot of course, when you turn twelve and all of a sudden you're like, whoa hormones?

Whoa?

Things are?

Things are?

Yeah, and you have a big dick, so you're probably like, what am I supposed to You're probably like what am I supposed to do with this?

Like things are really filling up.

So I do remember constantly, of course, because once all those feelings come, I mean I I remember, once.

You get erect you have to come to get it down.

I did.

We should talk about the craziest places you had to like actually get off as like when you're that age because you don't have a lot of privacy.

My god, I don't know if that's appropriate yet.

I actually came in a place that's so embarrassing.

I didn't know that I came.

I didn't know what was happening.

But then I got older and realized what happened, and I was like, oh my god.

I did that there.

That's so bad.

Actually for me, I I orgasmed.

I I could orgasm for the first two years of doing it before I actually ejaculated, so because I hadn't fully gone through puberty, so like the first two years, like nothing came out.

It was great there was no cleanup.

It was just like being bang boom done and then like you shoot yourself two years in like far away.

Wall.

Two years in, it was like it like shot at me and I was like almost threw up because I was like what is this?

And then like I didn't do it for like two months or something.

But yeah, it was great.

I was like, oh gosh, but that.

That is a sin.

That's a sin to the morm Church and something I had to do.

Yeah, you are going to hell?

Was I know, I am a Jackhof prison.

I already bought a condo there.

So you have to like you have to actually so in order to pass.

So when you're twelve years old, let me just tell this because I keep it getting distracted.

When you turn twelve years old, you become what's called a deacon.

And the deacons twelve to fourteen they bless, they bless the sacrament at church.

You know, the bread the body of Christ and the water is the or.

You know, we don't do wine, wine, blood, we do we do water.

So water is the blood of Christ.

And so in order to bless and serve the sacrament which is served by the twelve to fourteen year old young boys, you have to be like like worthy, so like you're supposed to tell you're supposed to tell your bishop if you're doing anything that makes you not worthy to bless or pass the sacrament or or take the sacrament.

Like if you know, when you're passing out the sacrament sometimes people like skip it over them because you're not supposed to take it if you're not a member not worthy.

Well, I know I wasn't remember the Cothice church, but I would still drink the wine and then I'll get yelled out.

So you know, there was a time where I was doing it frequently and I thought I was sinning.

So I had to you have to, like I had to tell my bishop, Like imagine, I mean you're but you're a thirteen year old boy talking to a forty to fifty year old man being like, yes, I'm masturbating.

And he probably masturbated.

Like this is just like the thought of it looking back is just like this is not this is not appropriate.

And so for something, for something, you know, but but you're when you grow up, you're in that you're you.

You you feel guilty.

You know, no I would have lied, but I also grew up with a family that really taught to lie.

I mean about it a lot, but like there were just a couple of times where sometimes you gotta lie.

I'm sorry, sometimes you just have to lie just makes things easier.

I just gotta do it.

I mean, I don't disagree, but.

There are somethings that like hurting people, like a friend's feelings or you know, if you're like.

Time you masturbated in their bathroom during Thanksgiving?

Did you come in that?

Did you worry you jack over the bathroom?

No?

I wasn't, like you know what I mean, why would you?

What would that help by telling anybody?

Well, I thought I was doing the right thing of the time, of course, so then I you know, then of course then you can't.

You can't bust the sacrament.

You can't bust the sacrament, and then you have to go like sit in your seat and like you know, no, no one knows what you why you're not passing this time?

I mean, you're told you're a boy.

Why would what else would have you done?

Me I swore or something or or like smoked a cigarette.

I don't know, But isn't that wild?

Like that you're supposed to you're supposed to tell things.

Like me about this religion.

I just I can't believe this is it's real, to be honest, it's crazy that people live their lives this way, like there is so much more out there, Like I don't know, it's just it's crazy to me, but you do you boo.

I did, I did me, And that's why I had to tell my bishop.

I did me, and I tell my bishop.

I didn't tell them ever, that I was attracted to the same sex, because that was a whole other layer.

Oh my god, you have been thrown into the kitchen to clean.

Dishes or you know whatever.

I know it's different now, I mean, we're we're talking about God.

I'm getting so old.

This is twenty years ago, twenty plus, maybe twenty five years ago, so things are a little different now.

I mean, and you watch Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, which I didn't want to talk about.

So love that show.

Yeah, I'm we are on the season finale.

We have watched nine episodes, not's nine.

Episodes, Like I'm just so, I'm just so obsessed with that.

I'm gonna be honest.

I'm gonna be honest.

You know, we we had a reality show.

We did the whole thing, and you will you will take anything to bring that up, won't you.

Well, I'm just I like, I like, I like to talk about my experiences when I'm talking about something.

Yeah, you know, I like to show that there's a reason that I know what I'm saying.

But like, to me, was my girl season one?

Like she was my girl, loved her, And you know, we didn't watch the show when it first came out.

The season two and you know, all the spoofs and you know, spoilers were coming around, and it's just like, oh my god, everyone hates to me, what like she must be horrible this season, and yeah, she's doing some shady crap, but like she's obviously standing on business.

She's there for business, she's there to make money.

No, she's doing shady crap, but she's doing shake up.

Honestly, I I don't completely disagree with her.

I'm sorry.

I like I like Tiller, Franky Paul.

I think she's great.

I think some of the Ship to Me's doing is fucked up, but it's like.

Yeah, it's fucked up.

I just nothing Taylor's doing is fucked up.

I just don't.

I mean, to me, it's like let's port each other by kicking Taylor out.

The Swingers, the Swingers scandal, like, now that there's other girls involved coming on the show and talking about it, it's like, you know what, that was really messed up, especially knowing how strict the Mormon community is, like her blasting everyone's business, naming names, like that's a little messed up.

Like I don't I don't know.

That's a little fucked up if you actually think about it, you know, I guess when.

But then when they describe what happened, like the Swinger scandal was they would sit on each other's laps and make out with each other's significant others, and then they would have they had intercourse next to each other.

Which that's like a Tuesday for me, baby, I know, I know it's not near.

They make it sound so terrible, but they make us sound so terrible.

The ship they're doing is like what we did in high school, Like, you know, not a big deal.

But I just where I'm not I don't complete.

What I'm saying is, yeah, DEMI is doing some ship, but I'm not like completely like, oh you should be an outcast, Like I'm not just totally on that anti Demi Train.

I'm not anti any of them.

I think they're all they're all doing perfectly classed, they're all doing key all.

They're all doing fucked up ship to each other.

They all have amazing moments, they all do have good hearts, but they all do crazy ass shit to each other and it's so entertaining.

But I will say, and I don't think she'll ever see this, but Miranda, you're my girl this season.

I was so skeptical of you coming on because I thought it was a cloud thing, but like, no, she's my favorite.

She's killing it.

I still don't know if I can get behind Whitney because Whitney feels so like that person, like that that X that screws up so bad, and they come in just being like, oh, it's fake, I'm changed, and they just expect you to forgive them right away, and when you don't, they're like, oh, you know, and it's and it's like you have to earn that gradually over time, and she's like expecting it right away and that gives such like sociopaths.

There are two people this season who are back to get redemption and fix the reputation, and they are doing it in a way that is so obvious and it seems so fake.

And his Whitney and his gen's husband, Zach, like they are just they haven't, in my opinion, haven't learned anything.

They in my opinion, it looks like deep down they don't feel like they've done anything wrong.

They're just saying the things that they think they need to say to like get were liked better.

Yeah, wants Zach wants to blame all the girls.

Oh god, he wants to blame all the girls.

I will tell you what I mean.

They have been actually offered her.

They are trashing they are trashing him.

No, I'm just saying they have been awful to Jen.

But like he did not help that situation at all.

Like that that original lunch that he had with Demi and Jesse, he went into it trying to defend himself and he should have just been like, Jen's not here to to defend herself.

So we're not going to talk about anything about what Jen said.

We're going to sit here and address what I said about you, and I apologize and let's move forward, and let's drop it.

The fact that he let them talk about his wife, and he talked about and gossiped about his wife when she wasn't there to say her piece.

I think was totally wrong.

Well it's on I swear went side honestly, Like they're trashing him, he making him look so bad.

But he played them like a fiddle.

He did play that.

He literally he literally got them all fighting amongst each other.

So who is she gonna run to him?

She's gonna run to him because he wants to rest her.

He got all you mad at her and like he just he made you all look like foles, like literal literal fols.

The manipulation game with him, it was it's insane.

It's insane.

He actually he literally he's terrifying.

He looks like a serial killer.

Yeah, I haven't put my finger on it quite yet, but he looks like some animated character from some Disney something that I cannot put my finger on it yet, like some bully in some movie with like the big face and that beaty mouth.

I don't know, just I can't put my finger on it.

A guy who fucked over Anna and frozen like he's acts all sweet innocent, but he's actually just vindictive and piece of shit.

Yeah, I just I know Taylor's has her crazy moments, and I do disagree with her blasting them on social media about like the seas, like it was just a classic your feelings are valid, but your reaction is not valid, and she needed to just own that her reaction was not valid and just apologized for that.

But I don't know, I think Demi.

I think Demi is going too hard.

Demi's going too hard and she's going to feel like she's not She's just not being very supportive.

Honestly though, TV after watching bost seasons, Like if I had to guess the ages of these women based on how they're acting, like I would guess that Taylor is like seventeen, though she doesn't in my opinion, she doesn't resonate mom vibes.

She doesn't resonate mature woman who's thirty.

Like it's just it's coming off a little bit like like immature.

She is very she's very immature energy, and I like a lot of I mean, I feel like my parents were married for forty years, married at like nineteen, and now they're single, and like they're very very immature emotionally, you know.

Yeah, So it's like.

I think that's the pro Like I mean I've thought a lot of boyfriends and a lot of relationships, but I feel like I've matured emotionally because of those relationships, you know.

Yeah, And people that have had less relationships, when they come out of them, they're like the age they were when they got in them, you know.

H And that's that's the vibe she's given off, Like she's given off I got married at eighteen, and now I'm single and I'm acting eighteen.

Well, I think, actually what they say, and I've heard this before, it's it's actually a lot of it's like addiction.

Like when you when you when you're addicted to something like whether it's alcohol or opioids or whatever, like you kind of that's where your brain stops, you know, like your brain stops at that moment that you were like maturing wise, it stops.

So people that you know, maybe in the early twenties, were addicted to drugs and alcohol or whatever, that's that's where they stop maturing.

So when they get then when they get sober, they're kind of starting like at that age.

And I feel like, I mean, Dakota and her.

Both have struggled with addiction, and I feel like that's why their maturity level might seem like behind some of the other girls that are not doing that.

I think I think a big issue too.

And if they don't settle down with this, it could ruin the show and it might not be on as long as people expect it.

Too.

Is they're really really letting the fame get to their head.

Yeah, and not just like to the point where they're like like acting that way on social media.

It's it's in the episodes, like it's in the show, Like they're breaking the fourth wall, you know what I mean.

It's like they're.

Literally the conflict and the arguments that are going on is about being famous from the show, you know what I mean, Which is why I'm watching it.

And that's the thing I don't really love about this season.

Like I like the warmon drama.

I like the friendship drama, like the TikTok drama.

Not they're like, oh, I'm I'm the fan favorite, not you, you know, I'm the fan favorite, not you.

Like, I hate that we're fighting about who's the most popular on the show.

On the show I'm watching Like that bothers me a little bit, Like I don't love that.

It's also just not a good look to sit there and call yourself the fan favorite, like yeah.

To mean, people don't mean I would have actually agreed with you that you're the fan of People don't want to, but now I want to.

People don't want to call the fan Like when someone starts to like people, people like the fan favorite because they're humble.

When you start to get cocky and call yourself a fan favorite, then people want to be against.

You because they're like, well, fuck you.

If you think you're the fan favorite.

You're the fan favorite until you say that you're the fan Yeah, you have to say you're fan favorite.

Doing what are you doing?

Because honestly, in my opinion, she was the fan favorite and she fucked it up.

She fucked it good.

Now she's a villain.

But hey, hey someone needs the villain.

You need a good villain, because Whitney wasn't a good villain.

Whitney villain.

Whitney was like the psychopath villain this week this season, I'm like, you're scary in a whole other level, like that wipe that smile off your face.

Yeah, because also Whitney, once she became the villain, she just stopped going to things.

To me, He's like I'm here.

Here, I am at this event, even though I'm not wondering now Whitney's like I'm going to show up to everything and just be super nice.

It's crazy.

Whow It's just like gets so full one eighty and it makes no sense.

But you know what, God, I love it.

They're doing a great job.

No, I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

All right, Mormons, more Mormons, more Mormons stuff.

Well, I don't know.

I mean I had to.

I mean I think as a gay man, you know, we go through a lot of shame.

I guess, like like I was saying, and being a raised Mormon, I had shame around just like masturbation.

So that's crazy, you know, I had to unlearn a lot of that.

And I don't know.

Here we are, like seventeen years later from being excommunicated, and we're filming content and I'm doing all this stuff that's.

Like really liberating.

I used to I used to like masturbate, watch porn and masturbate with my.

High school guy friends.

Oh I went with my Mormon friends.

Yeah, we went touch each other, but we would masturbate together.

So I was like, I'm always thinking, was that like a gay thing or was that just like a teenage boy thing, like do straight that straight teenage boys do that.

I mean the guys I did it with are straight, so I mean, I guess this is a street straight to straight now.

Well, but the one thing I at sleepovers that like, uh yeah, no young men's a young but the young men's weak activities some of them were sleepovers.

And I remember when I was like fifteen sixteen, there was like a group of five of us I don't know, I couldn't tell you, but a handful of us, and we all decided to masturbate in the dark.

And it was that we would all like moan when we like you know, got off, and the last one like lost the game.

And that's crazy.

Definitely wasn't the first, but I definitely was the last.

And I do remember boy scouts.

I remember going camping and playing Truth or Dare with some of the boys and like going to a tent with one of the boys and we would like we would we would pleasure ourselves together.

We would like none of it was like touching the other person.

We were all like fourteen fifteen, you know, but like you know, we like, yeah, we just did like that's that stuff happened, and so for me, like being like I knew I was gay, I don't know what.

I don't know what what it is for them at this point, I haven't talked to those people in twenty years.

Maybe it was just a point of exploration, you know, maybe they're fluid.

But for me, like I always knew I was gay, and so that was like there was a lot of shame around that every time it happened, especially like with being Mormon, if you've watched Secret Lives and Morning Wives, all of it's tied to your worthiness and being worthy to go to the temple and get married and have a family and and and live in.

What they call the celestial Kingdom of heavens.

No question, do you know, Like being so circumcized is wrapped around some religions, like you know, I think the Rabbi literally circumcises the Jewish children, you.

Know, yeah, I think it's just also become an American thing is American thing.

But where I'm from, you know, growing up, we shower after sports together, and you know, I said, the jacking off thing, and there literally was one.

I didn't realize what circumcision was until high school.

There was one kid in my whole class that was not circumcised.

Yeah I didn't, but people were called people would call them skin tip.

It was his nickname.

I know.

And now I'm thinking back as like I love I love latinot tunk with an uncut dick, like you know what I mean.

It's like, it's just like so it's just like another point of like unlearning bad habits from a conservative area.

Like but just I mean, it's a stupid example.

But like I mean, if that was me, I would have cried.

You know, he probably did cry.

Yeah, I'm so sorry if you're watching the skin tip.

But anyway, as you call them skin tip, but whatever, Oh my gosh, I appreciate a skin tip.

Well, let's play a little game.

I love games.

Let's play a little game.

Let's lighten the mood a little bit.

We're gonna play a game called Mormon MythBusters Busters.

We're gonna play a game called Mormon MythBusters.

So I'm going to describe some Mormon beliefs and Cody or scenarios, and Cody's gonna tell me if they're real or not.

Okay, oh my god, this is gonna be good.

Ok So Number one, Mormons believe they'll get their own planet after death.

Way, can we pause for a second.

Yeah, dude, dude, dude.

To cut this.

What's the mine man?

Forty five minutes?

Okay, well you okay, go ahead.

All right, We're gonna play a game now, light in the mood.

It's called Mormon MythBusters.

So I'm going to re read a list of Moron beliefs and Cody is going to tell me if they are real or fake?

A right?

Are you ready?

All right?

Number one Mormon's believed they'll receive their own planet after death.

Yes, I yes, that's true.

I knew that because when you said you were excommunicated, I didn't want to make a joke.

But who's going to run your planet?

Oh my god.

Yes, it's called exaltations, and it's based off early teaching.

I do remember growing up top this.

You do have to be.

You do have to be admitted into admitted into the highest level of heaven.

So it's for the most righteous of righteous.

We'll get their own planet, like Jesus.

Well, my religion that I follow, I get my whole whole universe.

Okay, you know, catch up?

Yeah?

Yeah, all right.

Number two God lives near a planet called colub I'm going to say that's false.

It's a weird thing.

That's real.

So in the Book of in the Book of Mormon, it's mentioned in the Book of Abraham.

Oh so, like it was, we didn't really even go over the Book of Mormon.

Today you could probably spend we could probably spend five episodes talking about Mormonism.

Honestly, I don't want to do that.

No, I know, but there's just you know this stuff.

Okay, So you can't drink.

You can't get into heaven if you drink coffee.

False, it's real.

The Word of wisdom, which is a which is a you remember the choose You remember that, well, you have to you have to repent.

But like how many times can you repent like you drink?

You just have to confess your sins.

So if you have a coffee every day and then repent like you still yeah, yeah.

But the word of wisdom, the word of wisdom, like the choose the right or any of that.

It was.

The Word of wisdom was like a saying about all these things that you need to do to which one of them was prohibits hot drinks, tea, coffee, Okay, they baptized dead celebrities in the temple.

No, so this is real.

So they they they there's records of baptizing and Frank.

I'm sorry, God, God did not God, God had no idea what a celebrity was.

Yeah, I not that that's see.

This is why I just cannot stand with this stuff.

It's not that they're baptized like so how the baptisms for the dead work.

Mormons are big on genealogy, finding out who your ancestors are.

So if you if you are linked to an ancestor so someone who is related to an Frank or whatnot, you can have them baptized into the church.

And what they do this is I did this when you're twelve fourteen or twelve to sixteen.

They bring in like the boys of the church, and you go in and you're baptized at the temple.

But you're baptized like as someone else.

So they say you're you're you're basically being the body for the soul of this person.

I baptized you into the Church of Jesus Christ for this family, and then they baptized you.

So so they have baptized you and Frank, they have baptized, but she's Jewish.

Yeah, it says even Hitler, but they later took that one back.

The fact that they even baptized and Frank makes me want to vomit.

I don't know, Like that's disgusting.

Like Frank's story is about being Jewish Jewish courage, like the whole Nazi bullshit, like like that is so fucked up, like you're trying to take ownership of and Frank, Like you should be put in jail.

Someone should book prison for that.

All right, Mormon teens received purity certificates from the bishop.

I mean yeah, at this point, I don't yes, that one's fake.

Okay, Okay.

The Garden of Eden was in Missouri?

No, yes, okay, that's that must have been so Joseph Joseph Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, taught that it was in Jackson County, Missouri.

Remember that was in the Book of Mormons.

I believe you think was in Jackson County.

There is in the it's in the musical.

Like the Mormonism, isn't there, Like they think the Bible and they make they like do like a kind of like a prequel like a sequel.

No, the book of Mormon.

What it is is, so you know how in the Bible, when Jesus resurrects and he comes and visits people actually okay, actually don't okay, So what happens.

I don't want to be quoted on this, But when when Jesus in which is in like Asia, Europe, whatever, in Israel, on Jerusalem, all those continents and countries, That's what the Bible is about.

The Book of Mormon is about after he dies and his resurrects, resurrected, and he visits all them across the seas, he comes to America.

So it's it's him.

The Book of Mormon is about all the people that he visited in America.

That's what the Book of Mormon is about, is all the stories that happened in America leading up to him and his appearance.

That is the dumbest thing I think I've ever heard.

So and I coming to America.

So it's about him coming to America versus the not like sailing to America.

I think it's just that he, you know, flew like as as as as Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, he comes and just visits America versus the Bible is all about.

Him being over in Jerusalem and all that.

I hate it so much.

That's what I remember.

I'm sorry if I'm wrong about any of that.

Please don't like come for me, but.

I think that's the basic Jesus.

Yeah, no, because I think I remember one of the one of the one of the early stories from the Book of Mormon, because it starts off with Lehigh and Nephi and it's about their family and they sail across the sea and they wind up in America and they becomes they become the Fights and the Lee Heights.

Yes, it's basically like their prellude to like, who actually are the Native Americans?

Somebody was on streams when they wrote this.

I think that's kind of what it's saying, is like these were the people that were here, like the Native Americans.

How they were already here when Columbus arrived.

That's why they're dark skinned, because Jesus is not white.

So again, I really don't want to be quoted on any of this.

I'm sorry, but like that's what I remember.

We're not an educational podcast.

But the Mormon book talks about all the people that sail to America.

The Mormon book.

The Mormon Book of Mormon talks about the people that sell to America, and I think that's who everyone who was here, you know, before the Europeans came over, and the Book of Mormon leads up to Jesus coming to America.

All right, anyways, So Mormons aren't allowed to wear red clothing.

False.

That one is false.

Yeah, because they have red dresses on the secret lives.

Okay.

Mormons can't trick or treat because Halloween is Satan's birthday.

That's false.

That one is false because their kids sugar treating on moremon once.

Yeah, Sex before marriage is second only to murder in seriousness.

Yeah, that one is taught in certain manuals and talks.

Yeah, it is compared by certain church leaders.

Sounds like something crazy.

They believe.

Black people were not allowed to hold leadership or the priesthood before the.

Nineteen seventy eight I'm gonna say false.

I thought it was the eighties.

No, that's that's true.

It was nineteen seventy eight.

Ok So nineteen seventy eight.

Before that, black people were not allowed to have leadership and were considered like, you know, it just they they were they were then and all of a sudden there was a revelation from God that that black people could hold the priesthood now and hold leadership in the church.

Which I think is discussed any black Mormon.

I'd be like the fact that this once was a rule.

Yeah, how could you ever possibly go along with this?

Which they also talk about in the play.

It's I believe that in nineteen seventy eight God changed his mind about black people.

That's like the lyric in the song.

So nuts, let's see, you must confess masturbation to a bishop.

Yeah, you just said that.

I did say that, all right.

So Jesus visited America after his resurrection.

After his erection.

Yeah, after his resurrection, that is true.

That's central to the Book of Mormon's story.

But with his erection, he could not masturbate.

You do know, wait, you do know that how Jesus died on the cross and then he was dead for three but he was dead for three days and then rise from the dead.

Yeah, So that's that's what it is.

It's pretty much you know what you did to as he went to a gay pride weekend and he's like, I'm dead and then he woke up Monday, and went like he's alive and oh my god, he was just Molly a week.

Oh god.

All right, Well, if you haven't stopped listening by this point, let us know what you went through growing up religiously.

If you have any interesting I would love to hear people religious we know if we have any, if we have any Mormons listening, I would love to hear some crazy interesting Mormon experiences that you went to send me.

Send me an email, send me a message on Instagram, YouTube, wherever I'm going to find them, I'm going to respond to them.

I want to hear.

Hopefully, we didn't put our foots in our mouths today.

We try to keep everything.

Sorry, I'm a little I'd drink a little bit, so I was starting to make.

It well, we mean, well, I was raised Mormon, so I went through all this.

I just need a little religious education, you know.

Yeah, and I need to stop making jokes about it.

Well that's all we got.

Thanks, we'll see you next week.

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