[SPEAKER_00]: Five, six, seven, eight paladinos.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it feels like we're saying Antonio Leo, so I was saying that.

[SPEAKER_00]: What a deep cut.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two young people are very different.

[SPEAKER_01]: And two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Antonio Leo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the paladinos.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here we go.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been walking up to go more to save, Tara, I'm here, I'm Tara, this is Hailey, Hi Hailey, Hi Tara, we both should have him read today.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, we thought, I remember saying, we were like, oh, good morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: With the bread day, it's red day, it's red morning because we are doing a morning record, which is very abnormal for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: We usually record at 1 p.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: Eastern Standard Time.

[SPEAKER_00]: So on the 2nd Thursday at 1 p.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: Eastern Standard Time, you think of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: You think of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you think 1 p.m, I hope you think of me.

[SPEAKER_01]: But among other things, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have among other things famously.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Terran, when we were together in Ann Arbor, we were like, if we had another podcast, it would be called famously.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be called famously.

[SPEAKER_01]: We say it all the time now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Famously.

[SPEAKER_01]: Famously, with Terran, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, that would be really fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Famously podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned.

[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we normally don't do it because the people near me, they get their landscaping done on Thursdays at 9.30 a.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: So actually we usually don't do it because we're, we like to be like white awake.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I love to be awake.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons we tried to avoid it, of course, and forgot about this morning when we hopped on is that [SPEAKER_00]: Alienscapers sound.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just doing their job, but man are they loud.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love people for some reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're career.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're profession.

[SPEAKER_01]: The loudest one loud.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, loud loud.

[SPEAKER_01]: Still love them shout out to the land scalpers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Truly, honestly, it's a lot of hard work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I watch those videos on TikTok and Instagram of like the guy that goes around in most people's lawns for free, but he like works off of the contributions that people and maybe like the views [SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_00]: He goes and does it for free for people who can't necessarily afford landscaping and their Laws are overgrown and man is it satisfying to watch because you're watching him essentially like clean up These these overgrown yards and it's really sweet when he tells the people who live there that they're getting it done for free [SPEAKER_01]: never been on that side of TikTok.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful side of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Charity landscaping?

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or like really community service.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's called charity.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's community service.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that he he, he like relies on community to [SPEAKER_00]: Bring it back to that often to see some people who are like elderly and don't necessarily like know who to go to They live alone and it's harder for them to get to get out and get the work done and it's really cool So anyway, it is very satisfying so shout it all over the people's out there positively But it because I was like when I said I was like now it sounds like a mean at charity case, but no I understand [SPEAKER_01]: It feels very Gilmore to like be in community with your with your pals, but I like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Love this episode about Amy and Dan started landscaping.

[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we got to give the people that they want and they want to well-rounded episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, landscaping.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no, we're here today.

[SPEAKER_00]: We gathered you all here today because we have made our way through the entire series of Gilmore girls on our Patreon doing the recap episodes, we're of course now in the midst of our rewatch on Patreon, but we have been wanting to do like an Amy versus Dan episode where we talk about all the episodes that they wrote.

[SPEAKER_00]: And man, so many.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so, so many.

[SPEAKER_00]: Building this chart yesterday was so much fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: I color-coded it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tare not into a little spreadsheet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a spreadsheet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I color-coded it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was so fun to go through all of my DVD boxet booklets and go through every episode because we of course at the beginning of our recap episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you've been with us on Patreon or if you've listened to Gilmore revisited, we would say who wrote the episode who directed the episode and when [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we would talk often in the moment about Amy episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dayan episodes, but like it wasn't until I looked at this entire spreadsheet that I was like, holy shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have writing credits on so many episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get it to not directing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's like so much of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: When we say like Amy and Den's hands, we're in everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: It really just goes to show that they were like taking the writing credit because they were doing so much of the work on the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: But also working on every other episode as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to see like the actual heft of work that went into the credits that they have is [SPEAKER_01]: and saying, when Tara and I were approaching this episode because of course they wrote for six seasons, RIP season seven, still there, but RIP, and then of course they're a viable, they did a split, they did a winter fall, summer spring split.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were like, we cannot just cover all of the episodes they've ever written in one episode because like we'd be here for days.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing as like having like the entire show in one podcast episode it feels like because it's like there's so much nuance to the show itself, but they are the background of the show, the backbone of the show, if you will, that like everything that really happens came from the two of them, both good and bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there are definitely some episodes, especially on Patreon, that we were kind of like, hey, this was really tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or like there's jokes that were made that like maybe I would miss the credit as it came by in the in the beginning and I Let hear something else like others in Amy episode and then we get to patreon and Tara would say it was an Amy episode in the DVD book that and I was like I knew it It's just like little tells of like little jokes that they make that like [SPEAKER_01]: are so specific to them in both good and bad ways, but we were like we can't talk about all six seasons and they're a viable of every episode they've written because there's so many of them and it's just so expansive.

[SPEAKER_01]: So today we are just going to talk about season two because coincidentally they wrote the same amount of episodes in season two so they're definitely easy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But before we get into just season two, Tera, Little Miss Numbers Tera with her green visor, Calculator and spreadsheet is gonna read off some stats about Amy and Dan episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big number's girlie.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I know, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always saying that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I give her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I'm here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I love kind of, especially with things like this, looking at all the numbers, how many episodes they wrote, how many they directed, what they wrote, and directed, what they worked on together.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fascinating to me because we've spoken to two different writers and also, you know, Stan and Sheila, we've also talked to Valerie Campbell.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked to a lot of people who've worked on this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And who have worked for me and Danny Owen Grantley, and we've also talked to, you know, we talked to people at Paley Fest, who Alex Borstein was very, very honest about the fact that like, being on an Amy and Dan show, whether it's Gilmour Girls, Marvelous Mrs.

Mazele, even Gideon Glick was like, you know, being on a 12 and Mazele, you know, it's a lot, [SPEAKER_00]: because the paladino is put their heart and soul and everything they have into their shows.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to see that kind of come about on paper, like directly in front of you is really fascinating because of course we know they have their hands and everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But to see how much of their hands were in like the actual writing and directing credits of this series.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just is a testament to the fact that, like, they are the show, they are the Gilmore girls.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to diminish the work that the writers in the writers room contributed to the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because there are actually some episodes here that I genuinely thought were like writing credits go to Amy and or Dan.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was surprised that they didn't, but we'll get into that in a second, on the whole, there are 153 original episodes of Gilmour Girls, and then of course the four many movies, whatever you want to call them.

[SPEAKER_00]: in a year in the life, which bring it to 157.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of the 153 original episodes, which does include season 7, they wrote 88 original episodes between the two of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: That includes Amy, Dan, and then episodes that they wrote together.

[SPEAKER_00]: 92 total because if you include a year in the life, they collect if they wrote that entire leg of the series.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so out of the 153 episodes and 157, it ranges between 58 and 59% of the series.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if you take season 7 out of it, I was about to ask you to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this morning I was like, why are we including season 7?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were cut her out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to do it for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were 131 original episodes that Amy and Dan were there for and they wrote 67 to 68% somewhere in between of the original series.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that crazy?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's two thirds.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's such a testament to like their vision and that it's just kind of impossible to replicate it without them, because like season seven, I'll give it to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: They gave it their best fit, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it really feels like it kind of like Peter often.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The effort, uh, decreased.

[SPEAKER_01]: Though, that's just me speculating because my enjoyment of it decreased.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to talk to a season seven writer in a like genuine capacity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like a gacha gacha journey.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to talk to David as Rosenthal specifically and you're like, how was it kind of taking on that task?

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I'm sure it came with a lot of [SPEAKER_00]: not only responsibility, but a lot of pressure, and he had worked with the Paladinos that I don't want to put you know, feelings on him, but I'm sure that had to be not only a tall task but very emotional.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe our just a lot of pressure to take a show that you could clearly work on with someone else who, like, it was their show, it was them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, on top of that, as I was doing this, I kept getting really, or as I was kind of preparing for this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I prepared for this episode by mostly watching season two episodes last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm a little tired.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I say it's like 2 a.m.

[SPEAKER_01]: watching.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Tara I was like so in it that like I kept trying to skip episodes so we're covering for every watch club But I was like, okay, I just want to refresh my memory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me watch a scene 30 minutes later I'm just like stuck there staring laughing so good That's time.

[SPEAKER_00]: We I have to tell you pause on this conversation really quick But it does have to do with what you just said So I work at death becomes her and my friend Amy who's a dresser there Came to me a lot from paladino [SPEAKER_00]: You imagine it's like your locker just got I'm just watching laundry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Amy's in the corner with the top hat on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah No, my friend Amy was like came to me last week.

[SPEAKER_00]: We before she was like, okay Be real with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Should I watch Gilmore girls I said Amy it's the perfect time to watch Gilmore girls.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's never seen if you been so she was like, okay I said I think you'll like it, you know, I was like, I don't know what your taste is in television I think you're gonna really like it and she was like, okay [SPEAKER_00]: I come into work yesterday because of course we were in an arbor and I hadn't seen her in like over a week She's already on double day and she just puts her phone down.

[SPEAKER_00]: She goes girl I'm hooked I'm like good, okay, and it was just so funny because like she then is like taking her break while I'm still kind of, you know Sorting the laundry and she just said their headphones and just laughing [SPEAKER_00]: Just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it, just love it [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have course of course, it's just like to watch it again, like fresh and dulling yeah, no, no, no, I will trust we'll get it for the Christmas special that is inevitable at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Lauren's been saying about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's been on the outlets talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one person left to convince and that is I would say Amy, but maybe it's actually Alexis might be Alexis.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're going to be together as we're recording this tomorrow is when oh [SPEAKER_00]: Lauren is going to start.

[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't talked about her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Amy's going to be there.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, should I go?

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, tomorrow is such a big day for fan girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Lauren Graham is finally getting her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

[SPEAKER_01]: Amy's going to be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: The life of a show girl comes out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then on Saturday is the 25th anniversary of Gilmour Girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, Sunday.

[SPEAKER_01]: What did I say, Saturday?

[SPEAKER_01]: I meant Sunday, of course, the fifth looking at a calendar in my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know October 5.

[SPEAKER_01]: So exciting.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have happened two weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for us right now, very exciting time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very soon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're really excited.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I can't believe she's going to be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I kind of, I think she's speaking.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, where do we watch that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking to you because a red pressure just got hers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I loved watching it because I'm in the middle of watching the nanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love the nanny so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a fantastic show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the two girls who were the daughters in the show were there.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the actress who plays Chessie in parent trap was also there, but oh, actor Ogosh his name.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can never remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that sounds very regal.

[SPEAKER_00]: The actor who played Maxwell Sheffield.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote like three or four posts about her because she also happened to get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think on her birthday.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's late.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wow, that's a clean friend, pressure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the night gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, yes, we have a big week coming up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it will have already happened for you guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: But for us, it's coming up this weekend, which is really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: And for those reasons, I mean, there's no way that Amy and Lauren haven't talked about this, but we have a lot to say about what we think the Christmas special can and might be later this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did this festive business, back to business.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was just really excited that Amy, when you were talking about like, I was just sitting there giggling.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm so happy with the same thing yesterday with Amy just sitting next to me, had phones and giggling.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's different, Amy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, talking about Lauren getting her star and Amy speaking, I'm already crying because they kept getting emotional while was watching like because we were preparing this to talk about Amy and Dan and remembering that we had met them and they were quite literally the kindest people and they were so nice if there's anyone that we're going to meet of course, Lauren and Amy and Dan and Kelly of course in Alexis.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the the the core three and the duo of Amy and Dan like meeting them is like was like peak podcast to peak us peak our lives and so the fact that it was just like they were so nice and we were so worried that we were like is this going to be weird are they going to hate that this is our lives and now They loved it and they were so kind and Dan said he was going to listen and Dan if you are listening [SPEAKER_01]: And it's mostly because I jokingly call Dan, Tara's enemy, in various episodes of Patreon because I think overall, I think that you like Amy episodes more than I do and I like Dan episodes more than you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm really interested to see how that shakes out specifically in today's episode because like I said before, there were certain episodes that I was anticipating one of the two of them to write that they didn't have, but there were also episodes that I thought [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you remember what came about that I was like, Dan's your enemy?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because when I went up to Amy at the 2020 shoe Emmy Awards and I talked right, it wasn't until like, I feel like next day, then that I know it was until the next day that I was like, Dan was standing there the whole time and I said, absolutely nothing to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, horrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you were like, Dan's your enemy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, but he wasn't your enemy before that, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Dan has never been my enemy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love the things he writes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love the do-well.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're such a bit, go to your familiar with a bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really excite to talk about the episodes he wrote in today's episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, back to the numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the numbers.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Dan would like the numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Amy wrote 44 original episodes of Gilmore Girls plus two episodes of the year in life and she directed 15 original episodes plus two a year in the life change in that she does now two of those 15 original episodes she did not write so 13 she was writer director and two of them she was just director and that was for love daysies and tribuners and [SPEAKER_00]: and there's the rub.

[SPEAKER_00]: Love Daisy's intro doors is a Dan Paladino episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote it, which is crazy to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And because I thought that she wrote and directed all first and then episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's the rub, but which we've talked about many times before, because you know it's one of my favorite episodes, is a Sheila Lawrence episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: So had her on and talked about how that was like, one of our, one of the best, what I love so much about that one is like, that one is so Sheila Lawrence, which like, oh, totaled.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's why she got hired to be a writer is because she has that same like quickness.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that like that's a duo that I would have loved to see a lot more of, is Sheila writing Amy directing, [SPEAKER_00]: What a good app.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know such a good app.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as I was going through a lot of these, I was really focused on like the writer director combo.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to get more into that in future episodes of like repeat combos where you can kind of see the fluidity and the through line in some of these episodes and how they mirror each other in some ways that I just find so fascinating.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Amy wrote 44 original episodes and I thought that was going to be like vastly different than how many episodes Dan wrote.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Amy created the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a show partner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's the little top hat lady.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is Gilmore girls.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Dan wrote 39 episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, neither of these numbers include the episodes they wrote together.

[SPEAKER_00]: So 44 to 39, I was like, whoa, I was expecting a larger, a larger gap between that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was expecting a very different ratio.

[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, you know, two a year in the life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he only directed five episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe he only directed episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also wrote and I also believe that he didn't start directing episodes until season five [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he didn't step into the director role until season five.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's the thing that We we realized and paleo fest is like not that realized paleo fest I think I'm just comparing it to your experience of like ignoring Dan like by Dan.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just didn't even like I didn't honestly I didn't even know what he looked like if I'm being honest and first or third of course They're they're together.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was just so overwhelmed [SPEAKER_01]: To be fair that's so fair and you and Amy probably same height right there damn it's a little taller But when when we were at paleophast talking it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see them Look up Peek too peek alone, but when we are paleophast Dan hilarious [SPEAKER_01]: hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, and so dry, but like in a very, he's the price list.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so kind, the two of them, hilarious.

[SPEAKER_00]: He could just us for a damn episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, for real.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I know what you're going to do with that, Dan.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that goes to show that like this is really a paladin or show.

[SPEAKER_00]: The paladin is because I know Amy gets a lot of the credit as she should as she should.

[SPEAKER_00]: She should.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to give credit where credit is due.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dan had his hands, Daniel, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: He prefers Daniel.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does he?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he say that a paleo fest that he prefers Daniel and Amy made a joke about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, he won't tell you for years that he prefers Daniel.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can alternate just to make sure that we get a little bit of rap of both names in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but he has had such a heavy hand in the creation of the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I wish I could go back to 2022.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's top monster older and be like, you did such a great job too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Amy and Dan Daniel shared writing credit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dan Daniel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something in me is telling me that he prefers to be called Daniel, Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not Dan.

[SPEAKER_00]: But here we are.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the two of them shared writing credits for five episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: That damn Donnery, the incredible singing lore lies, which surprised me for some reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love [SPEAKER_00]: I directed Dr.

I think Miss Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of just like you love Jamie Battern.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're love to have you stuff it on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they shared writing director responsibilities for only six episodes in the whole series.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they would have done a lot more together, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: still fantastic, like the two of them in partings together, like that just has to be why.

[SPEAKER_01]: A beaver, that was definitely him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, it's, I mean, it's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: How does a beaver eat ones them?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to know.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be on an episode of the pit, such a girl they're upset at.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: I know we don't want to get into every single episode that they wrote because we'd be here for days.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in season one, that was the least amount of episodes that the two of them wrote together besides season seven, of course, because they unfortunately were sitting there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But actually, right, any of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from season one through six, they wrote 11 episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: one of the two of them, if not both of them, collectively wrote 11 episodes out of the 21.

[SPEAKER_00]: So 10 of them were written by other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: But as we move through the other seasons, they are writing all but like six, five, six, seven episodes, they're writing all of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the most amount of episodes that they wrote in a season, I believe a season three.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what I like about season two is they wrote the same amount, which really works well for us and our purposes today and what we're going to be talking about, but also season two just so good, it's just so good and the episodes that I was actually surprised they didn't write are there's the rub of course we knew that but we knew Sheila wrote there's the rub and I was surprised they didn't write like mother like daughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: or Richard and Star's Hollow.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm more surprised at like mother-like daughter because that is a buff, that is a sleigh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: One is a banger of an episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were watching it for the rewatch club.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this has to be an Amy episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, I believe it's Joan Bender-wise who wrote it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, actually, I'm going to get my...

It is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Joan Bender-wise.

[SPEAKER_00]: And directed by Dennis Erdman.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not even directed by Amy or Dennis or Edmund, yeah, but it also feels like one of those episodes that like they of course Like when Stan was on he talked about the writer's room and like how much of an episode you have to like Like workshop with someone you take it off you get the writing credit, but Amy was there.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was all with course But this one just we know even though they never writing credit.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had their hands and everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had a pen on the page 100% But it was just really fascinating to me [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe even secrets and loans, I was a little surprised by it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's the rub, I think, is one of those ones that speaks volumes to writers like Sheila Lawrence, who are able to inject the language of the show in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And really align with the vibe that Amy and Dan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of want to have Sheila on again.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was just so fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Big children for diversity.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's like moments when she was cast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which she wanted to treat friendship bracelet.

[SPEAKER_01]: She wanted we had a bunch of friendship bracelets to trade with people at our L, at our L show.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she wanted to trade friendship bracelets too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, because she's a major Swiftie.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh love you Sheila love you Sheila Lawrence love yeah, but this is about Amy and Dan and so today We have a bit of a game As much as we love Amy and Dan the duo as much as it was so much fun to talk to the two of them having them bounce back and forth on each other Banner wise one day we will be doing it with them on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's called manifesting [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to have Amy versus Dan today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we kind of, you know, we went back and forth on whether or not we wanted to put Amy's episodes against themselves, dance episodes against themselves, and then come to like their best episode for season two.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're only doing season two because if we did all of these episodes, imagine freaking 80 plus episodes down and we just, we can't, like we can't do, I think that the thing is, is like, I want to talk about it so specifically that to like put all of their episodes [SPEAKER_01]: episode of ours, it feels like you'd be too general very vague, so we're gonna get into it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I hope that you guys like.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's something you enjoy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to go through each episode first and tell you guys who wrote it, slash directed it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not of season two, just the ones that they wrote.

[SPEAKER_00]: and that four season two is 14 of the 22 episodes that are in season two.

[SPEAKER_01]: The other reason we couldn't do Amy versus Amy was because it was an odd number.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is an odd number.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does when you see because we are going to do a little bit of a bracket today because putting things up against each other is easier when you have a little bracket.

[SPEAKER_00]: there is an uneven amount because it's seven and seven so it's hard but I have I have a plan okay we love a plan season two episode one is Sadie Sadie we all know and love it and of course to see episode where the days user everywhere in town Laura lies telling Luke that Max proposed to her she accepts Max's proposed on door on door coupon can and so this is the episode where she [SPEAKER_00]: except smacks his proposal and that was written and directed by Amy Sherman Paladin now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah episode two hammers and veils when worry of course goes and builds the house she's in summer school.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I also should mention Sadie Sadie's redeemed redeemed comes to dinner at the Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they have the whole blow up with Richard, but then at the end of the episode, Emily finds out that [SPEAKER_00]: more lies engaged and didn't tell her because Sukey's not her a party which happens in episode two hammers and fails Where they have the big town party worry goes and is doing summer school and doing the house building and she and didn't get into a little fight and All so speaking yes, Lane is going to Korea, which is also a through line of Sadie Sadie [SPEAKER_00]: And Emily and Laura ligand to a huge blow up in hammers and fails because yeah, vails coming from Laura lie deciding whether or not she wants to work at fail and at the end going to her mom to reconcile and her saying sure tiara your head's much too big for a fail.

[SPEAKER_00]: That episode was written by Amy Sherman Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: episode three.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this whole prologue, the first five episodes were written between the two of them, which I love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because we always love to call it the prologue.

[SPEAKER_00]: Red light on the wedding night when we get the bachelor at party of Laura Lai Gilmore and Emily's there and me shall and Patty and Rory and Suki.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love love this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's also a house that's light.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she calls Chris.

[SPEAKER_01]: When that man jumpscares into this season, go on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Off you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: He appears quite a bit in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: He does.

[SPEAKER_00]: He does.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is also the, this is also the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're starting to look at the bad light.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Lucas being kind of a crumudge in about it, and also about lower-rise wedding, and he builds her the hubby.

[SPEAKER_01]: he dies because he felt bad about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to be a friend which like a heartbreaking and then red light on the wedding night and then of course she calls it off and she comes into his room and they end it by leaving and going on a road trip they don't know where they're going but the wedding is off.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that one is off, but you know what's on the chairs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing but chairs in the back of their Jeep and their drive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, lots of chairs, lots of lawn chairs don't know where they're playing on going, but hey.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was written by Daniel Paladino, the road trip to Harvard, which we all know and love.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the road trip to Harvard.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was written by Daniel Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they each salad that prologue up and the first two were written by Amy the second two were written by Dan I think it's very beautiful because we always refer to that as the prologue before season two really kicks off with Nick and Norris and Nancy and that is the arrival of Jess Jess of course kicking off his relationship with Laura and a really bad way of kicking off his relationship with worry.

[SPEAKER_00]: in a really exciting and enticing way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look at all my, I would say get into their first real fight or disagreement rather, and just coming to tell really spicy things up, shakes things up and goes back to school.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where he goes back to school, she has to write an article about Max Medina, because Paris is on the war path, but the best part is, boy, I looped you reconcile, and that is by pushing just into the lake.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you and your partner are fighting, just try pushing a teenage boy into a lake and see how that looks.

[SPEAKER_00]: You really hope, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was written by Amy Sherman Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next Paladino episode that we get is the ends and outs of ends.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this one really surprised me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just watched it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just recorded it for rewatch clubs so that should be coming out in a few weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I absolutely adore it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was an Amy episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: A Dan episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would have said, Dan, because there are so many Star Trek references.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there are.

[SPEAKER_00]: So right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because as we were going through Patreon with Goma revisited, there were so many moments.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that we were like quote-unquote making a list of like Amy and Dan's favorite things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if we were less ADHD or like had been doing this with more than just the two of us, we might have actually made a real list, but it was a fictional list where we were like, oh, there's, oh, this, that Star Trek was definitely on day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, definitely.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the episode where Jess does the fake chalk outline outside of Dosey's market and pages of phony murder, Neo Returns, the duo of Loreline Suki really gunning for opening their own in.

[SPEAKER_00]: kind of comes to a head when they go to Fran Weston who is the title search, the title search on the Rachel property is they call it the dragonfly comes back as Fran from Weston and she sets it that she can't sell them the property and can she's going to keep it forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love their favorite love more than that episode with Fran.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just not understanding death or us thinking she's immortal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think she's a witch.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know and something a fairy has happened [SPEAKER_01]: because she was like, Dad, I don't know, she's leaving.

[SPEAKER_00]: But gay people aren't like, I don't like vacations.

[SPEAKER_00]: One time I went to California, it was hot in the bus mall.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, me over turns, Laura Lytel's her, they're going to open their own in and she says, I'm going to sell the independent send.

[SPEAKER_00]: It sends Laura Lytel to a tailspin.

[SPEAKER_00]: She and Luki, Luki, Luki, Luki, Luki.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a big fight.

[SPEAKER_00]: And amidst all of this, Luki is kind of being persecuted [SPEAKER_00]: and we get an incredible town meeting.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a great episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, that's how, that's another Dan aspect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dan does town meetings, so they're not the Amy doesn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Dan, your Paladino's town meetings are...

[SPEAKER_00]: elite elite and you can tell in the revival because a lot of the ins and outs events and the episodes that he writes throughout the rest of the series throughout the series you can tell that dance all over these town meanings.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so good at writing them and the ins and outs events is arguably one of the best town meanings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know we talked about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: last year when we broke down our favorite tell me names yeah that was such a good episode I love that episode but the ins and outs of ins is so up there it's probably in my opinion the best tell me anything we get it's turkey book is a very dry [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, can I tell you, I think that with Dan, it makes sense that he wrote this episode one because of the town meeting, but also because the end of the road trip to Harvard is Laura Lye being like suki let's do this, let's open our own in, and so to have him write the episode where that's kind of being fleshed out a little bit more, they're realizing there's almost no hurdles in front of them and that's really scary.

[SPEAKER_01]: because it's like walking next to a cliff without a railing and you're like, oh, I get to just, I'm gonna fall on purpose.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, I'm gonna, I gotta jump, I'm gonna leap.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that Dan, not that Amy doesn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dan does short lines, like little quips, like really good, that there's one later this season, that like I watch last night, that it's just like little tiny lines, two words that someone says, [SPEAKER_01]: And it takes you out.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were just like destroyed, side-swept.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was cackling at these episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's why town meetings done by Dan are so good because it's people interjecting and it's the back and forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the bouncing off of each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's one character suddenly having a comment and another character responding who wasn't the original person being spoken to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's really what he does so well.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like little quills.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so totally agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of through lines, I do feel like Dan is tasked with a lot in this season specifically, is tasked with a lot of the town through line, whereas Amy is tasked with a lot more of the Jess.

[SPEAKER_00]: through long and you can kind of see that as we continue to.

[SPEAKER_00]: She loves Jess.

[SPEAKER_00]: She loves the character of Jess.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell the next episode that is a Paladino episode is the Bracebridge dinner and I thought that this was an Amy episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is a Dan episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dan Paladino wrote the Bracebridge dinner and I'm like, [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of our favorite things are just these teeny tiny lines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a damn line, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a warmer.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a warmer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode that is a Palatino episode is a tisket atasket, and that is an Amy Sherman Palatino episode, again, big Jess episode, because I feel like, you know, we, Nick and Norris and Nancy, which is an Amy episode, introduces Jess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we got a little bit of that Jess flare in the ins and outs of ins and in the Bracebridge dinner, but he really comes so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: He, like, really comes to the forefront again in a tisket atasket.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had to double check, but on that list of things that we love, or the rather that the Paladin knows love, is Ella Fitzgerald.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, this is an Amy thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: A Tiska to task it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ella Fitzgerald.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she loves Ella.

[SPEAKER_01]: She loves Ella.

[SPEAKER_01]: She loves Ella.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's so I feel like that's perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ella Fitzgerald and Jess Mariana.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do they have in common?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure of the Paladin.

[SPEAKER_00]: But loved by Amy.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is, it should have been Lorelei.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the episode where they meet Sherry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sherry, Tara, it was not about this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, you liked this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were not about Sherry.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's that conversation in the kitchen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where she's like, we don't have to be friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even have to know each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've never actually seen you before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm closing my eyes right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's like, you don't even exist to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Girl, this is your partner's daughter's mother and she's cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all like she's being an absolute like yeah, which to you She's being so nice which they do in that episode call her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's a witch Because of her skirt because yeah, because they're fabric.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a Dan Paladino episode It should have been Laura Mai and we get a nice little fight at the end of this episode between [SPEAKER_00]: No, lower line Chris.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was talking about Emily and Lorelie because she's like it's shut up in you because Emily is so pissed that worries not at Friday night dinner and she brought Kristen's dad She's like are you are you oh gosh, what did she say?

[SPEAKER_00]: or you just, or you just, or you just that humiliated, it's how she does it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like are you in denial, or are you just that humiliated?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's humiliated about what?

[SPEAKER_00]: But Emily really gets into her head and then Lorely subsequently has that fight with Chris.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's lots, lots of fighting here at the end of it should have been Lorely fighting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of fighting.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is Lost and Found.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is when Rory realizes that her bracelet is gone from a tisket atasket and Amy episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's when Dean realizes Rory's bracelet.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rory doesn't realize.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been lost, but also Jess and Luke are looking for an apartment, which is also lost, because they never find one.

[SPEAKER_01]: They never find one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this is also, Laura, like, called Jess a little jerk.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he comes over and cleans her rain gutters when Luke, you know, basically says like just can do it and worry encourages her to kind of give him a chance and then everything falls apart when she sees just come out of worries room and then [SPEAKER_00]: Where he finds her bracelet in the room and she's like you took a didn't chew and they have that confrontation where she looks absolutely fabulous in her front yard and so good I wish I looked that good in my front yard I know when I was confronting people Me too Um, but that doesn't mean you need your mobility in our episode It's an Amy episode if I've ever seen one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 100% [SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is there's a rub, and as we've mentioned, Amy directed it, she'll erode it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are not counting that episode in our measurement of the, you know, of this bracket because she'll erode it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She'll erode it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't make me wonder though, which we don't have to do right here right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is how many of our top 10 episodes from the previous episode, I guess, two weeks ago now, when we did the top 25 episode, how many of our top 10 were Amy and Dan episodes?

[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because Sheila, there's the rub was in the top 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like that was, but we can add it at another time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going through and figure that out.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is Dead On Glows and Vegetables, which we famously love on this podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very, we call them No Plotchus vibes episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very Tony Episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very big, Tony Episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this was written by Daniel Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is the episode where Luke's uncle passes away and the girls have to take over the diner.

[SPEAKER_00]: We also get, got all the diners saying, I guess, I love that episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: We also get the second town troubadour return where he has the farmers market and he's taking business away from Taylor and Taylor's all upset.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they have the town meeting where the town troubadour is there and he's like, hey, I helped you out.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, you live me twisted for a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote a song about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Taylor Live Me Twistin.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: The war veterans, the war reenactors, they are dodging Luke because they don't want to play Louise funeral, Laura Lampens is them, they show up at the end, just kind of leaves the door open so that Patty can set up a little wake for Louie and it's a fantastic episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other other through line in all of this is that Emily has taken over Suki and Jackson's wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: and they are going all out because that's at the end when they kind of have a little confrontation about it because she is sending like Suki way out of her budget like by thousands of dollars so they have to like pull back in but this is at the end where she's like I'm probably standing in your reception hall when she's at Luke's and you're like [SPEAKER_01]: Not no.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not true.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what I love about this is that like Laura is with Suki.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like really defending her, but also it comes from a place of like her motherly figure or her, her actual mother.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is her motherly figure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: Her actual mom is, you know, kind of taking over something.

[SPEAKER_00]: Laura has personal feelings about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily in a [SPEAKER_00]: like Emily's trying to help you out.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's taking over, she's planning my wedding, which she says too, Emily at the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that does feel like it kind of holds hands with the ins and out of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's conflict between Suki and Lourlite.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not so much conflict in dental uncles and vegetables, but in the ins and out of things, there's conflict with Suki and Lourlite because Lourlite is dealing with something else from a motherly figure Mia.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is really clouding her judgment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as present in dental uncles and vegetables, but I do like that there's a little bit of that through line there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a little bit of that conflict [SPEAKER_00]: Almost acting as a surrogate mother to suki and more like surrogate mother was Mia and Emily definitely had feelings about that and we get that at the end of Inns and Out of Inns so yeah I liked that there was a little thread of [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that like sort of like simmering storyline really does well for Dan, also because of how me, that this is the townies episode and he does townies episode so really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode that the Paladino's wrote is teach me tonight and that is an Amy Sherman Paladino episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is when Roy Tudor's just and they crash the car and we get a huge blow up fight between amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Luke and Lorlay and this is when I when I was going through this yesterday, this is when I really wanted to pit Amy episodes again themselves because I would love to put Nick and Norris in Nancy and teach me tonight against my mother because we're talking about the bookends of of Jess's introduction versus Jess's departure in a way obviously he comes back, but his outroduction is outro.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just they're such good episode and it's like it's teach me tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a great episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, when I watched that last night, I was like, wait, is this on my top 10?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, it's like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it when I watched it last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cause you know, I love honorary breaks of honor.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just that, but it's like such a good episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what I love about it up against Nick and Nora Sidnaancy is that we're talking about like, [SPEAKER_00]: Laura Lye and Luke's first small fight versus Laura Lye and Luke's arguably one of their biggest fights.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a tiff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like a little disagreement that they have about jazz.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So glad you learned the secrets to parenting by Brace Bridge dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like from what you were doing in Nick and Norris and Nancy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then in this one, it's like, go to hell, back atcha, back atcha, because like it's been simmering this whole time and now it is finally coming out and it started in episode five, Nick and Nora Sitnancy.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very fascinating to me how that all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, kind of yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's made me think of like other seasoned storylines and how they simmer, like between Luke and the Online, like season six the way they simmered.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very different reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was also because of one of Luke's child figure true.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm interested to see how that aligns from a writing perspective, because seeing the threads of storylines and how they correspond to the writer of these episodes, has been really fascinating for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is Lorelai's graduation day and that of course is when Lorelai graduates, where he goes to New York City, she skips school and goes to visit Jess and then she misses her mom's graduation day.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a Daniel Paladino episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that moment when Laura Lyle looks out and her parents are watching her?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the finale I can't get started is written and directed by Amy Schermen Paladino.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Sukey's Wedding.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is when Chris and Laura Lyle reconcile and it looks like they're going to get together and then of course you took it wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Sherry pregnant Jess and Bory kiss after he comes back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bory also finds out that she is going to the, uh, she's going to Washington for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to DC because she, her in Paris won the student election.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just love he said, Sherry pregnant Jess and Bory kiss.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rory, Washington.

[SPEAKER_00]: So those are all 14 episodes the Paladino's wrote in Season 2.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I also mention there's something, because I took a little notes last night as I was watching, so I watched five episodes last night, which isn't saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I watched it should have been Laura Lye, and that one is very musically inclined.

[SPEAKER_01]: that is the CD drop and when it starts they're like kind of arguing about music and it's like music was meant for us and they're being such music snobbs and I like couldn't stop laughing during that one but I was like oh this is so damn coded this is not so bad yeah [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it's like, I feel like there's a lot more, um, at least from my experience of watching through Gamoria visited.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot easier to point to a moment and be like, oh, that's Dan Paladino in a way that's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Like the townie aspect of it, or like when they start making certain musical references that you're like that so Dan, I think that the Amy version of that is a lot of like older comedians, but there's also like tells of like [SPEAKER_01]: not such good things that like, if a joke goes on for like four or five lines too long, and we should have cut the scene already, it's a Dan episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like especially in season six for like, oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, check.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was that Dan?

[SPEAKER_00]: That was Dan.

[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, when there's like a little bit of like body shaming or judgment on someone's appearance, you kind of do like a, is that an Amy?

[SPEAKER_01]: I need to look and you're like, yeah, that was an [SPEAKER_01]: So like there's a lot of like really good things that you can tell, like like just things that they enjoy that you're like It's start to notice as you if you take notes on your favorite shirt like we did Between them, but yeah, just right such a good episode because all four team of these are so good really strong I'm really interested to see how you set this bracket up for you know and Middedly now that we've talked about it There's a part of me that wants to switch things around, but I am not going to just gonna go with what I what I did [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is what I built.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is honestly, give them bows.

[SPEAKER_00]: I gave them a king bow and I gave them a blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue bow to see if they get in the blue [SPEAKER_00]: No, she's a pink because you're a girl that that's in that is in season three when they do the could catch her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew with somewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just did like pink to represent Amy, blue to represent Dan, a little bow for each of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I put the, if you're with us on YouTube, you can see all of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I put the circle with the episode picture in there so we can, [SPEAKER_00]: Do that in these boxes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to move.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes like overwhelming crowd.

[SPEAKER_00]: The image overall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now the sick good bracket.

[SPEAKER_00]: This good break you as we were talking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Oh, no, I want to change some of these.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to leave them as is because it's going to take a lot of brain power to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing that I want to note is that because it's 14 total seven and seven.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could only put six of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could seven.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could only put six of them against each other and leave one out for each of them and I chose a tisket a tasket and the Bracebridge dinner.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I chose these is because they are on our top 25.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I learned our top 10 and I was gonna give you the opportunity if you wanted to to switch them out for something else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause basically what's gonna happen is they're gonna be outside of the first round.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they will go up against the bottom two brackets here.

[SPEAKER_00]: They will go up against whoever the winner on one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I think that those are good ones.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like your reasoning as to why those were left out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That that's I think that's a good one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because looking at them, I'm like, I don't know what I pull out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the ones of of these episodes ended up on our top 25 as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just was like so fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that it's just gonna task and brace for dinner.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like some of the highest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially when we've asked people, like we asked people in Ann Arbor and um, just people who have commented.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are highly uh, highly answered.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, those are answered quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're going to start with Sadie Sadie and Amy episode versus the ins and outs of the ins and outs of the ins and outs of the code.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tara, that's really hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I kicked it off with kind of a toughy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I love and denounce events, but I will say in the rewatch recently, I didn't love it as much as I thought I had, but I doesn't necessarily mean that it's not better than city city.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I quite like city, city.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great, I love the beginning.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love when the mob is following, [SPEAKER_01]: but in Xenotvins, town meeting, is this a preference of what style of episode that you like?

[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like really pity like a really good town episode with Dan, against just like really emotional, Sadie, Sadie, like a Luke and a Lauraly moment were like, you know their end game, but they're, he's finding out, she's marrying someone else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Drama, you know I love the drama.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is your instinct?

[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is the ins and outs events.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that, but the ins and outs events is a damn good episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a damn good episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Daniel good episode, excuse me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh man, I want to say Sadie Sadie, but I think it's the ins and outs events.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's, oh, it's that town meeting.

[SPEAKER_00]: That town meeting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Town meetings pretty good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the next one is Hammer's Invails, another Amy episode, versus it should have been Laurel-i.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is one of the ones I watch last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: I watch it should have been Laurel-i, because we recently watched Hammer's Invails for rewatch.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is a good time for us to talk about these and two like this, too, because we're in the trenches of prepping this version or the season of the rewatch club, which will be available to y'all, think in the coming weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I were not watching it should have been the royal eye for three watch clubs, so I did want to watch this one, and I loved it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was laughing.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one where they have the CD drop, Brad Langford comes back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which, when the paper teacher does the coin flip and uh, Paris is pro-assisted suicide, and Brad's like, what a surprise.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the conversation at the end of Friday night dinner where Richard and Emily are kind of grilling Christopher about what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, when did you become an expert on mold Emily?

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I love that one, but hammers and fails is also very good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also great episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got hammers and we have fails.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true [SPEAKER_00]: My instinct is hammered in fails, but I also didn't recently watch it should have been Laura.

[SPEAKER_00]: You did.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last night, I was laughing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I'll turn this on while I'm doing some other work that we had to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe I'm clouded because I watched that last night, and was having such a delightful time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I really love timers and veils too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're telling me Lane showing up that suitcase isn't the best thing that could happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we meet Tom, we meet Tom the contractor.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not quite Tom yet, but yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, but he's, that's a hammer.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just love the party.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love when Oralai goes into Luke's at the end and he's doing the catch up bottles and she's like maybe you could come out and the little girls are dancing to level keep us together on the gazebo and he sits down next to them while Oralai is dancing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought too much is everywhere I go.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just love that scene, like I love that shot, like it's so cute, but I think because I don't like Sherry, like in this Sherry was over-eager, despite the fact that her hair looked beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, because I like all the other parts of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the CD drop, Michelle, like, why were you involved in this?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'll let her get settled into this.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Hammer's Inveils is just so the end of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say hammers and vails too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll toss her in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact that it should be in Lorelie, is very, yeah, it's a good episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that in this instance, it should have been Laura Lye, like, but it's hammers and vails, but it should have been Laura Lye.

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next episode is Nick and Nora, Sid Nancy, Amy episode, and the road trip to Harvard, a day and a episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: This one's hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know this one's hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love the road trip to Harvard.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know you do, but Nick and Nora, great episode as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nick and Nora, this one's, this one's hard in the sense that it emotionally is hard, because it is Nick and Nora.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's Nick and Nora.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're telling me them going to the treasure cat is going to Trump just being poached in the lake.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know, but the road trip to Harvard is very beloved.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard, it's heartbreaking to, it's heartbreaking to put these two next to each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are next to each other in the series, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, unfortunately, we're so sorry, Daniel.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love that episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have even convinced Miss Tara that it's better than she previously believed.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's Nick and Nora.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said a Nancy and said, and Nancy, I also the photo that I chose is Luke pushing Jess into Blake.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like how how how we like I know she goes to Harvard that's her dream.

[SPEAKER_01]: My dream just being pushing to the lake with his Dorito body, you know, his Dorito body is so true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm going to move over to the other side and I'm going to go bottom to top because the top one is very challenging.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do lost in found in Amy episode versus dental goals and vegetables.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this one, Dan, I remembered.

[SPEAKER_01]: This one's really hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Boston found this great because in my notes, I wrote house hunters, house hunters, house hunters and gutter girls, but downicals and vegetables is an incredible episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is very like townny forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that it does fall into some of the category of some of the parameters we put in the category of no plot just vibes because Yeah, we don't really hear about a lot of it ever again.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does move the plot along some.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as no plot just vibes the secrets and loans, but it does fall into a little bit of that category.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, for this one, as much as I like Lawson found, having watched it last night, hold hands and skip after, like that is such a fantastic end to that episode, sledge hammering the wall.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you think about it fully before you did it Luke know, but do I admire your passion?

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's dead on girls and vegetables because it's like so cozy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the town really coming together on behalf of Laura Life for Blue because they're not doing this for Louis, the reenactors, that is, they're doing it for Blue.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like the town meeting, the second town troubadour becomes a farmer's market.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love what it does to [SPEAKER_00]: At hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee, at hisee [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but I don't know where I would have switched it because like I would be other ones like it was also obvious.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love red white red red white white white white black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black [SPEAKER_00]: We also get that scene with like the double date almost between Dean and Ryan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, more likely.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll teach his facts about how to date again tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very sweet tasting at the beginning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Suki's going to make the cake.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just honestly just hood winking, fran, the immortal.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also knew you could win Roy Brick's time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's teach me tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've got the this one is like so Amy because it's when they get the binder of movies that are proved or free because you're early again again because the and like I love that cold open because it's when they're in the market and there is chitter chattering like they're just chatting crossword puzzles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me feel stupid and we're like so don't do that do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's so Amy, the when they read off all of the fake movies and like here about like the plot of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's I was cackling watching this again.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a film by Kirk like this is where we get this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's also when we talked in last week's episode with Bory and Luke.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is that moment where he comes to ask her to talk to her directly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're in peril.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're in cones this in cones versus huge fight jump scare by yeah Yeah, no, I love fighting in the street.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And personal hikers Hell by car so I think that we know what the answer is [SPEAKER_01]: It's a no-brainer in season tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Miss Amy, you nailed it with that one, girly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like have to rethink my, my personal top 25 that I'm watching that one because I was like, oh, wait up a sod.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is really hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know you did this one last and I was like, think, God, yeah, we would have been here for 45 minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get started in any me episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Laura lies graduation day at Dan episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, these, this is the penultimate and ultimate episode of season two.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the season finale, versus the episode right before that, which when we rewatched this episode, [SPEAKER_00]: on Gilmore revisited and recaptured.

[SPEAKER_00]: We said this was one of the best episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was surprised that it wasn't on our top 25 admit it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch this last night?

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was when I remembered and knew a lot about what happened in it because we loved it so much and revisited that we like referenced it a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I knew the other ones, but I wanted to like get back into the nitty gritty of like the jokes and things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I also want to rewatch this.

[SPEAKER_01]: This one in particular with you, the other one's not that I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: care, but I was like, no, it's just that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's some of them we're not going to rewatch with the watch club.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that one, I just love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like the writing is so good in that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also like such a lower life forward episode, which I feel like Dan does a lot of maybe [SPEAKER_00]: more so boring yeah he speaks to the fact that he identifies with three more and so I feel like Amy does task herself with writing more lower-line episodes yeah i'm gonna be honest i think that despite the fact that lower-line graduation days and impeccable episode i can't get started is [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get started as so good is that girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is that girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope to God you're wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we get the town.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get we we mentioned this like elephant's Gerald, a Tisket a tasket.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get started.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's also Ella.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know, suki and Jackson getting married him coming out with the killed [SPEAKER_00]: where he gets her cast taken off.

[SPEAKER_00]: Christopher is there.

[SPEAKER_00]: He shows up.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's starting to show up more.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get this hope.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of joy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're singing Kirk sings, but Betten Patty sing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Laine has finally, like, really, she's starting to get into the drums and we get, we get school.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get children.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get the election between Paris and those other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: whose name's I forget.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Lori is running like she convinces worried to be her running mate so that she is more likable.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love yeah we get metal in in Louise.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get chiltin.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get the two of them going off to DC together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Their friendship is kind of solidified.

[SPEAKER_00]: Paris and Lori just comes back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's I can't get started.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: But one boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Jess is asked her why do you come?

[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't say goodbye.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then he comes back and they kiss.

[SPEAKER_01]: She kisses him.

[SPEAKER_01]: That one really is a call in response.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like if if he had come back, just like without that, it would have been great.

[SPEAKER_01]: But knowing that he came back after she came to see him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes me really excited to watch the beginning of three and it's like you came to see me when they're in the supermarket.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're probably right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just love Lloyd's graduation day so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like Dan, you nailed that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: You did such a good job, Mr.

Daniel Paladino.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was heart-wrenching just the conversation between [SPEAKER_01]: Realizes she likes Jess, she wants to punish herself, but also that look, that look out into the audience and her parents are so proud of her, and then she gets one of those special little envelopes from Richard.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, Seth McFarlane is in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it is a good episode, it's a good episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good episode, and that's why it's really hard to put these two up against each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I'll say I can't get started, but from the episodes we've picked, is there one of these?

[SPEAKER_01]: that you would switch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like a Dan episode, you would switch with Lorealized Graduation Day.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, like, we chose the Internance of Intense.

[SPEAKER_01]: Would you pick Lordly's graduation day over that?

[SPEAKER_00]: We chose the Internance of Intense.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, we picked the Dan episode over here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that Lordly's graduation day?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of pitting Dan against Dan.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going off-script Tara.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_01]: If would you pick, if we're like pitting those against each other, Internance of Intense and Lordly's graduation day?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would still keep ins and outs of ends.

[SPEAKER_00]: Personally, I love group Lorelei's graduation dates fantasy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I've had it three months ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: Will maybe feel a little bit differently, but yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm looking at them and I'm like, there's nothing that I would like put before it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like dead uncles and vegetables maybe, but I love that episode too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here I am advocating for a Jess episode, but we're in season two, I love, I love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Personally, I would probably put it over Bracebridge, but I'm not going to on behalf of the thousands of people who would yell at me in their car.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel confident.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so moving into the second half of the bracket, we're gonna put the ins and outs of the ins, up against hammers and bales.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't even feel like that's what argument is with the ins and not events.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the ins and not events.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's in the not events.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have a phony murder in the hammers and fails or do you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're putting two Amy episodes up against each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Nick and Norris and Nancy and a Tisket a TASket.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a specific answer for this.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is your answer?

[SPEAKER_00]: My answer is a Tisket a TASket personally, but I know that's not going to be your answer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask you why?

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we kind of had this conversation in the top 25.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is it about a Tisket a TASket that you don't feel is a strong episode?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's in the top 25, is it not?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you did not want to rank it very high.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just personally, I don't feel very drawn to this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have not yet rewatched it in the rewatch club, so maybe I will feel different when we get there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't rewatch it for this, because I was one of those that I am so uncertain about how I feel about it, that I did want to rewatch it live with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just like the introduction of Jess here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do love that line.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to about hard for a Tisketa task.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love New York and Nancy, but like we're talking about, we're talking about a town event that is arguably one of the most beloved town events of the entire series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're putting two damn episodes against each other in this one.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's dental holes and vegetables and the bracelet dinner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me why it should have been teach me tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I watched it last night and I had the fucking best time of my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like honestly like I was one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the best episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it so much, but I also love teach me tonight, but I know it's I can't get started, but maybe the teach me tonight high full rise out there somewhere for me on behalf of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see, we'll see what the people say, but for now, I agree with you that it's I can get started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why I like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why I love a Dan app.

[SPEAKER_01]: But a Tiska to task it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Tiska to task it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it though.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you conflicted?

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were going to just get a task.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love Jessica, but you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is that it is that town.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the phony murder.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fall.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh, his turkey burgers are very dry.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's me, uh, it's that me and Emily at the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: A TISKINATASKIT is more centralized to just the town, which is honestly why it's surprising that it's not an Amy or not a Dan episode rather, but it's such a strong gestory line and looking more alive, which I feel like maybe is a little bit more of an Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is personally for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is not easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also not easy is I can't get started the season two finale against Bracebridge dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because we just recently watched Bracebridge dinner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did we waste all this time going through this bracket when really should have just been the bottom two against each other?

[SPEAKER_00]: So to be honest with you, I figured it was going to come down to the bottom to cast each other, but I was like, look, I can just fast forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an Amy versus a Dan, like it's an Amy versus would you argue that the Bracebridge dinner is Dan's best, and that a Tiska de Taska does Amy's best of season two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've landed here because that's where we've landed.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that my taste in episodes, I'm more drawn to like dead uncles and vegetables.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, more life graduation day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but there's two down episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know I would never do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not me.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not who I am, but But I think if I was having to choose between the two of those, I'm going Bracebridge dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is the last bridge dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like those looks at their exchanging [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Emily and Richard of it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Gilmore Girls moment, the trio in the room.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to task it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love a little basket.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I like before things happen, better than things happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like worry and Jess finally sitting down and having a moment together.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: These are basically you.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are huge for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The besties decide.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that you were able to get through this episode at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're something that needs to get up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to give you a lot of agency with some of my input, but giving you a lot of agency.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing was, there's a lot of my agency was like, I know what the right answer is, but this is my answer, but the right answer is this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to redo it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think the Blake, I think that I would say the British dinner, which like plot twist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, okay, I think we should put that in here, because I'm very torn, because these are two of my favorite episodes of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: We can put both in there and then see what the best he's have to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's leave it here and see when we can let y'all know at the beginning of the next app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the people landed on Luke, but can I be honest, I think the people are going to say brace bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they are too, but it is interesting when you put it up against an episode that's also very beloved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I loved kind of getting down to the nitty gritty of Dan and Amy and the episodes that they've written for the entire series because that's, you know, the research that we took the beginning of this, but to also talk about season two, which is one of the most, one of the more popular seasons of the series and one of the better [SPEAKER_00]: where we would argue that like the series really kicks up and [SPEAKER_01]: But I think my favorite part of talking about this was finding the links between Damian Damian Damian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's another one that's my absolute fave arc, and it exists between another two out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is Dan Paladino and Kenny Ortega, and you jump by Jim Jack and let, [SPEAKER_01]: Let me hear about Lakers ringing out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's say that the games again, they were like about Lakers ringing out because it's like Like almost adds this like parallel nature to them with like that duo.

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