[SPEAKER_00]: 5, 6, 7, 8, Richard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Richard and Star's Hollow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Richard, actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gilmore to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi everybody welcome back to go more to say with Karen Haley.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Tara this is Haley.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Haley.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Tara.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking particularly wichy today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, well, in our world, it's Halloween.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like eating this world.

[SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_01]: In our world?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in me girls when she said girl world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in our world is Halloween.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for y'all, it's in November.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this is feel like it's a thumbnail.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, yeah, definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on YouTube with us, you can see me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're on audio, you're on streaming, pop over to YouTube and say, it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wearing a, I'm wearing red today, which is probably very sinful.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're wearing crimson.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't call this crimson per se, but no, it's just where Emily says, yeah, you're wearing crimson.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wearing red.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very different.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm wearing a sweater from Nulee because we love Nulee in this house with a dog that's wearing a football jersey so I feel like it was very tight couples big night out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it also feels like very dean because it's it's of quite naughty like this dog could be dean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wears like numbers on your shirt all the time, not like jerseys, but yeah, but like that was a big early 2000s thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was because everyone else on the show, but I immediately saw that and I was like, is that Dean?

[SPEAKER_01]: You were like, no, it's Richard or mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's veteran's day today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your service.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a veteran, it's very important to celebrate those people in your lives or not in your lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: People you see on the street, say, hey, thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also really like peak, peak, peak fall.

[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing to me says, if you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am an autumn more like Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so excited to talk about him today because we've never really done a deep dive episode on [SPEAKER_01]: No, like why, I feel like a lot of next year, like especially prepping for this episode, because I watched so many of his monumental episodes last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was making poison apples, of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw your picture.

[SPEAKER_00]: Making poison apples while prepping for tomorrow's episode was really funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it, but I'm having to sell them differently because both my knees and nephew have seen snow white, so I can't call them poison apples because they are fearful.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I digress, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where was I?

[SPEAKER_01]: episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Preparing this night made me realize how many like deep dives I want to do, like from just prepping for Richard there's so many things that he says or people say around him that I'm like wait we have to talk more about that but we can't I can't like fit it into this episode because it's going to be a whole episode into itself.

[SPEAKER_01]: and I've been wanting to deep dive Richard Gilmore for quite some time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I feel like even from just prepping this, I'm like there's so many other layers to him of his relationships with other people, but just like this is really just an episode that's just him and me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: His relationships with other people are ones we've explored.

[SPEAKER_00]: His relationship with Emily, his relationship with Laura live with Lori, especially when we first started the podcast back in 2017.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did a father-like daughter episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've done an Emily Richard episode and we have more planned for next year than I'm really excited about.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when you brought up this idea of doing just an exclusive Richard episode, I was like, this is perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the perfect time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am an alum.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it is autumn.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, as it turns out, it's autumn.

[SPEAKER_01]: All the autumn things are happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Halloween for us today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanksgiving is coming up.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all the good things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, speaking of Thanksgiving before we actually get into the Richard of it all, we do have Thanksgiving merch that is coming out, or has already come out at this point that we've recorded it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not entirely sure what day we're dropping it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, [SPEAKER_00]: Be sure to check out on Instagram or on our website at www.mortissay.com.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have some fun Thanksgiving merch, and we've never done that before, which is so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: That seems like so crazy to say thanks to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: For this very thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanksgiving center, show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, family.

[SPEAKER_00]: Family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the main holiday feels like Thanksgiving.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't skip the roles, of course, as you will see.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of like a play on our fall essentials, but with the Thanksgiving essentials center around.

[SPEAKER_01]: Up, what else?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's cutie.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're really excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: So head over to our website or go to Instagram to see a preview.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're really excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of kicking off this idea of doing things giving merch, maybe annually, maybe next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have a little Thanksgiving merch to release as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Love a good Thanksgiving shirt give me something.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna wear after I eat all that turkey.

[SPEAKER_00]: See that's what I'm thinking Mostly sides.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to wear the don't skip the rolls shirt while I'm cooking and then I want to put the other one on [SPEAKER_01]: the like more like doodily one as we call them after I've eaten.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna get a shirt the fits and then I'm gonna get an oversized shirt for later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having a second piece of pie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll cut it up on the couch with my little t-shirt on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my dream for all of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into Richard Gilmour.

[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of wanted to talk about the history of who he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've learned a lot about him on the show, which is so funny because we're to see him come from, you know, because Richard, the Ed Herben, who plays the character of Richard Gilmour, may he rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had a contract with the show because he wanted to be [SPEAKER_00]: what is what would be the technical term for his role?

[SPEAKER_00]: guest star, not a guest star.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think his his special appearance, special appearance, I think is not what he says.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that was because he wanted to be able to use from the East Coast and Connecticut, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Connecticut, yeah, or at least living in Connecticut, but he wanted to be able to be by coastal in that way, spend time with his family.

[SPEAKER_00]: and I commend that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's so important.

[SPEAKER_00]: Especially at that point in his career, I really want to be a part of the show, and a big part of that, like being the patriarch of the family, that it centers around, I think, is a key player, but it's interesting that he's such a key player, and yet he's not in all of the episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: We learn a lot about him, and yet I feel like, you know, because the relationships between Laura and Emily are really the central focus of the show, [SPEAKER_00]: He's got one foot in, one foot out, he's on the outskirts, but he's so, so involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we learn a lot about him despite the show really being about the Gilmore girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's weird is we learn way more about this character than we ever do about Emily.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was like in way more episodes than he is because she is like a regular player in the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also a great man with the show that she was [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know if this was dictated by Amy and by the WB or specifically by Ed and Kelly, but they also had similar circumstances where Kelly writes about this in her book, the third Gilmour call that she wanted to be back on the East Coast in New Jersey with her husband.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, she would split her time between filming out in L.A.

and be back on the East Coast.

[SPEAKER_00]: But...

[SPEAKER_00]: Kelly, of course, they worked so well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just like both had high priority of their family, which is interesting to like play the parents of these like or of this the main character and like spend a lot of your time being with your family back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Back east where the show is technically set.

[SPEAKER_01]: Love that for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I was thinking about that last night when I was watching all of his monumental episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I was like, what do we know about Emily like in this same regard?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because we know so much about him and his family and his parents, kind of his upbringing, that we only know about Emily from like...

[SPEAKER_01]: implying kind of what she has said.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit dusting in season seven, which you can like give or take while they're not that's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: But even when they're like at Yale doing the little tour, we learn way more about Richard's side of it, rather than where Emily's coming from, in that way, we know about where Emily lands as far as, like, how she's pertinent to Richard's story and how the two of them met and how the two of them ultimately got engaged.

[SPEAKER_00]: but we don't really learn a lot about Emily's history and we've talked about that in yeah, our episode deep diving on Emily Kilmar.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's kind of fun because it leaves a lot of room especially if ever there is a prequel series about these two characters.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does leave a lot of open opportunity to kind of build Emily's storyline.

[SPEAKER_01]: so flexible there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can kind of do anything, but I kind of love it because her in relation to him, I so much of who her character is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know it's a season seven line, but she's only ever been Mrs.

Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like the idea that like you kind of transition like out of her life, or out of her life before Richard and she really is just his wife, um, and that's kind of who we see [SPEAKER_01]: her history kind of disappears a little bit into that, which is a character trait in itself.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's a lot to be said about Richard in that regard of how Emily supports him.

[SPEAKER_01]: But let's back up to the beginning of his life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we want to start with talking about his family and his upbringing, who he was growing up and kind of what we've learned.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he was born in January of 1943, and that is an estimate based on the episode that will do peg because they are celebrating his 60th birthday.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, that is what we can surmise about Richard Gilmour's characters that he was born sometime in January of 1943.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I say January 14th, that's just when that'll do pick air.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is the air date of the episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was born to Laura Ly, the first Laura Ly Gilmour, who was married to Charles Abbott Gilmour.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we only know that that name of his father, because his father doesn't come up nearly as much as his mother does, of course, because she is though dead in the first couple episodes of the series, she is revived and quote unquote dead.

[SPEAKER_00]: but Charles Abbott Gilmore is listed in her obituary when she does pass in the raining lorley in season four.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the only reason that we know Richard's father's name.

[SPEAKER_01]: We also learned it when Emily is going through all of the papers because she asked what tricks is made in name was and she learned that it was Gilmore and she says no because they were [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she and Charles were second cousins.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were in deed, but which is all I can think of as Exactly, so it's very obvious to the audience that Richard has a very very very deep affection for his mother [SPEAKER_00]: and too much so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Though it first she's initially deceased.

[SPEAKER_00]: At least they're speaking of her as if she's deceased and the first was my mother.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was my mother.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that was in Kill Me Now.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, yes, he describes her as being an extremely accomplished equestrian, a distinguished patron of the arts and she was also world famous for her masquerade balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which I need that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want that story line.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Emily and Richard Prequel.

[SPEAKER_00]: If Emily shows up to one of Tricks' hospice famously, Tricks doesn't like her, there has to be an episode where Adam has great ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Adam has great ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like Emily and Pamela and her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Tricks doesn't know that it's her.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's giving gossip girl, but like, it's kind of what I want from the people.

[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want like the marvellous, Mrs.

Mezel meets gossip girl meets like, you know, collegiate, get more girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that's exactly what I thought of when I thought of the masquerade ball is like Emily coming up in a mask.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blue dress, of course, or maybe like, I don't know, like Cinderella.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a total of the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: So so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I wrote the third lore life.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tricks is alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because she says in that episode in the third lore life, you talk about me like I'm dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, okay, that's a nice little.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a nice little sign-off.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did act like she was dead for a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Tricks lives in London.

[SPEAKER_00]: He adores her.

[SPEAKER_00]: He calls her tricks.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's her nickname.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even if her name is Lorelei and Grand is what Lorelei calls her.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he refers to her as being brilliant.

[SPEAKER_00]: He worships this woman.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we get a little history on their dynamic growing up.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do have a reference to when he was 10 from Sadie Sadie when he's lecturing Dean.

[SPEAKER_00]: But on his 10th birthday, Tricks told him life is a battle, [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that really sets up who Richard is as a character.

[SPEAKER_00]: Life is a battle, and you either enter it armed or you surrender immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: Immediately.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that really informs what he says to Dean at the table in Sadie Sadie season two episode one.

[SPEAKER_00]: when he's kind of going off about how Dean is not basically not good enough for Rory.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says when I was 10 years old, I knew exactly where I wanted to work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I knew I wanted to go to Yale and put a nice suit every day and be a very important man in a very powerful firm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew I wanted to travel and see the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see La Traviata and at the La Scala Opera House.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to walk the ruins of Pompeii.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to travel the far east.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like I don't even know if this was intentionally done.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that quote on his tenth birthday that tricks says to him, you know, you either enter it armed or you surrender immediately.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really informed him being like, okay, I know exactly who I want to be where I want to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: his father was a your your father was a gal man you know when he's in his late 50s that's a very different version [SPEAKER_00]: of who a person is growing up.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of, there's an evolution, obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've had some things happen between 10 and 50.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's here kind of the origin story in a very benign way.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very until we started researching for this episode and it never really took those things to heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's backstory, but it wasn't something that I connected to.

[SPEAKER_00]: themselves until I really thought about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, when you were 10, [SPEAKER_00]: That's huge for you, was a big deal for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also believe, I looked this up, but I couldn't quite find where they exactly is going to ask you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is also when his father passed away.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I watched the raining lure last night, and maybe I missed it, but the only real reference I could find to his father dying was that he was his first custom suit that got made.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he lied to his mom and told him, [SPEAKER_01]: that it didn't fit anymore and that he outgrew it because he couldn't wear it anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But everywhere that I looked up online, it said that his father died when he was 10.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was so interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's like where that came from.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where that came from.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys may be else, let us know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's reference in another episode, the footnote for it on the Gilmore Girls Wikipedia was from the Raining Lore Live that I couldn't find it in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe I just am missing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm not seeing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I love you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also couldn't find it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't find it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was like, is this just an assumption?

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do love the idea that that is the case because it's pretty consistent that like 10 years old keeps coming up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's, of course, that's when trick said life is a battle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then that was when he said when I was 10 years old, I wanted to be someone very important.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then when we get to let the games begin, that's when he references that when Laura Lai was 10, she came into his office and took his diploma off the wall and said, I'm going to go to Yale too and she didn't give it back for, I don't know how long, I imagine he got it back because she left, but regardless, that was when she was 10 too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so when you imagine she leaves, she's 16, she just 17, she just had worry.

[SPEAKER_00]: She leaves and they're devastated and he goes up to her room and opens one of her, her like nightstands and his yelled upon us in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it has to be like, frame, it's going to be big, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: maybe it's just leaning against the wall and he has to take it back to his office.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hard hard tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: As a dog might say, rough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the dog and my sweater was a rough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I just ten kept sticking out to me because he kept repeating it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like like in Sadie Sadie when he said that like when I was ten years old, but I just love that it always starts with it put on a suit because in presenting lower like no more when he's talking about becoming obsolete.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is I don't want other options.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get up every morning and put on my suit and go to the office and I'm like that was so foundational for you But like when his father died, that was when he first got his first costume suit And so it's like that's why I think it's ten because like it always comes back to him being ten years old To getting this information from his mom to wearing his first suit to then having this dream of being a Man who puts on a suit and it's very important and goes to work and works at a very powerful powerful firm [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that is so interesting, and you need to go to therapy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need therapy, not a custom suit.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, not a t-shirt, but it on a suit, yeah, put it on a suit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's true, and you know, I know it's a very generational thing to [SPEAKER_00]: have your dreams be so so affiliated with what you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: And for Richard, I don't think that is any different.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that that then kind of trickles down to his views on what those around him and his daughter, his granddaughter, the people they associate themselves with should be doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you that like there's definitely a complex there, but I also think it was just a very it was just of the time It was yeah, it was his identifier and I think that that is also how he identifies Other people that is how he For lack of a better term judges them and categorize yes, he likes a babysatie [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he likes that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He likes doing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He likes a stereotype, but at the same time he wants his daughter and granddaughter to live outside of it, which I find very interesting because he wants he kind of likes the world when it kind of fits where it needs to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, but at the same time he doesn't want to fit into any of those places, but he wants you to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will say about that later, oh, we have a lot to say, that's what we're here, more to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing I really learned about his childhood was in Bracebridge dinner when he liked to go on the roller coaster.

[SPEAKER_00]: He started taking Emily to Coney Islander that they had gone to Coney Island, she's like, that must have been your other wife.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I love it, and it's because he is finally feeling, and this is, of course, Emily doesn't know this, the audience doesn't know this yet in Breastbridge, and her, but he has retired, and he is feeling the sense of freedom, which is so interesting going back to like, I wanted to put on a suit every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want, I don't want to do anything else.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want other options.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get up every morning and put on my suit every day, and this is the first time in his life [SPEAKER_00]: for lack of a better term, like puts down when it comes to Emily and her life and what she does.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's kind of like going back to that, and I think that that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it kind of wants too long, but no, it doesn't last very long at all, but he wants to obviously use time as what he wants to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he wants to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: But kind of going back to the beginning, after we learn about his upbringing, we do learn a lot about his education in schooling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, a lot of that is centered around the fact that he went to Yale.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that becomes a huge plot point in the show in regards to Lori.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what we learn about him, he was on the fencing team in college.

[SPEAKER_00]: We learn that in love and war and snow.

[SPEAKER_00]: He [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I almost married a lot of young people, because Emily was very third times a charm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, oh, maybe we don't, we haven't learned about anyone else, but yeah, we need that prequel.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, so true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just because I'm thinking Lucinda Lester, Penalyn Lott, Emily Gilmore, that's only one to that we know about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are the ones we're informed about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he says his years at Yale were absolutely the most gratifying ones of his life.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says that to her to worry and let the games begin and I love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He really, really love, you can tell he loved his time and college.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was so exciting for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every time, Laurie talks about, especially once she gets into Yale, she talks about the things that she's doing where she's staying, what library she's going to.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is like their way of connecting, which they are already very, very connected.

[SPEAKER_00]: he loves to connect with her over those things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he really feels like those were his glory days.

[SPEAKER_01]: The glory days for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much that he was involved in because he in let the games begin.

[SPEAKER_01]: The reason they're going to Yale is because there is a reunion of the Wiff and Poofs who called like the Beatles.

[SPEAKER_01]: But with the first time we came in about it, yeah, yeah, I love.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like going through that with them because let the games begin as a pretty monumental [SPEAKER_01]: His backstory, yeah, they're kind of like taking him, or he's kind of taking them on this tour, based on his experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: They went to an art gallery, which we learned from Emily, was where he did the frown step back wrinkle and sigh.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would talk about the paintings that he'd seen in Paris in the colors of tition.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like you would see, think that he was so worldly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Richard says, they'll think I'm some kind of flothario.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting the impression, listen to Lester, Penaland Law, Emily, get more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Someone was someone was a little ethario.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well Emily says so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, well you were, you value were.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like he was a young single man who wanted to experience life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And women, and this is why in our second episode, we compare him to to Mr.

Logan on the figure.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's just so much about him.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was one in particular.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what was it?

[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of you jump because [SPEAKER_01]: Emily didn't, so she doesn't steal him as she gave him a choice, and I just, that's something that always comes up in Logan's Logan's arc and Logan's storyline, but like I was like, oh, I missed my TikTok days when I was watching it last night, so I was like, oh, I want to do, I want to do some parallels, but I was like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: As it turns out, I have a new Gilmore girls outlet out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's stressed.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you see some Logan and Richard parallels on the reels and near future, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he definitely has other interests in Logan, which we did talk about in in our episode about paralleling them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'd ever catch Logan in the weapon poofs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, you don't even know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he also draws some parallels in his history at Yale to Marty, which we learn in Ted Coples Big Nine out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, do we ever?

[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, do we?

[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, do we ever?

[SPEAKER_01]: And also, in let the games begin, I will say we get the first reference to Penal and Law.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Ted Coples Big Nine out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Litty a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, before we move on to the information we get in Ted Coppall, he does share that he was pinned.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was engaged to many a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Invitations were sent out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he, [SPEAKER_00]: saw Emily in her blue dress.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was game and that was it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she showed up as if at his fraternity party, which like in the prequel, would be the iconic moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like that's the moment we would be building towards is like the fraternity party Emily showing up blue dress.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said he had no choice when he saw her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which I feel like sometimes that kind of reminds me of Ori and Logan is like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know choice.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's your choice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your choice, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she, she didn't choose him, but he, he sure is how chose her.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's for quite some time.

[SPEAKER_00]: True.

[SPEAKER_00]: But moving on to the information we learned in Ted couple's big night out, which is the football, the Harvard Yale game episode in season four.

[SPEAKER_00]: He starts that episode out with, uh, Rory and Paris sitting with them at.

[SPEAKER_00]: in the dining hall, and that is when Ashra Fleming and Periscope, I mean Ashra Fleming was one of Richard's classmates, which is interesting, but what he shares with these girls about his time here is so controversial, because I'm like, you and your friends, what kind of mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: You were kind of bully.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were kind of like a boy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bullies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he talks about how his, they tied Richard's roommate one night in between two mattresses and threw him out the window.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they did it every night for a month until he transferred.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what did this, what, what did this guy do to you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said he was because he was chubby.

[SPEAKER_01]: like guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay that just like admittedly that just seems like so much effort to tie him between two mattresses every night.

[SPEAKER_00]: That kid needs to go to therapy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's about therapy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that kid has to go to therapy because Richard Gilmour thought that they were didn't go to therapy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really remember that, but wow, wow, wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That that kid is like super successful, has like a super loving wife, an amazing family, and just goes on vacation all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's slightly medicated probably.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you play my music.

[SPEAKER_01]: We also learned in that moment, in addition to him being a bully, is that he's been going to the Harvard Yale game for like 32 years or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: 30 chires, it's tradition, and kind of when we move into the things that he values, I think tradition is definitely one of them, tradition, tradition.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he loves a fiddler on the roof reference.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing we learn about him when Marty approaches later in that episode in their tailgating is that he was naked for an entire month his sophomore year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said, to protest the dress code.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was the dress-like minded young men decided to protest the new dress code by wearing silk ties and nothing else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was just that they had to wear silk ties.

[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't wear anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Could be so they decided, we're going to wear silk ties.

[SPEAKER_00]: and nothing else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing else.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were written up by the Dean of Admissions and threatened with expulsion.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were also suddenly very popular with the ladies.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, Richard Gilmore, you were so authorial.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were so cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were all getting much better to experience life.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could see Logan doing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Logan would be naked for a month.

[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like there's like a call and environment would just were nothing but a silk tie every night.

[SPEAKER_01]: See, I think that Logan would do it in protests.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Finn and Colin would just do it because but I love his reaction to hearing that Marty.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, did I hear my daughter call you naked guy?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like one night naked does not just not a naked guy make or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get the exact line.

[SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, you're just throwing this information out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Willie Nilly, to anyone who wants to know.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still lost some things I never needed to know about my parents.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also when he's like a really popular with the ladies, I personally, if a man was naked for a month.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to do it for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have a lot of questions for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a different time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was an all-male school, also.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the ladies who wondered it now, where was he naked?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Always for a whole month, no close, not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the prequels for.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of questions.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be an HBO series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it starts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just like, uh, hello.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very worry and Marty of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how they met, do we?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, but that would be a really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'd want to know that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like all the way from that to him proposing and her saying fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I any.

[SPEAKER_00]: So moving into Richard's career and his legacy, that is kind of how we're introduced to Richard.

[SPEAKER_00]: because everything that we just talked about are things that come out throughout the series.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what we learned at the beginning of the series and coming out because that's when we kind of learn a lot about Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our introduction to him in the pilot is not so great.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't make a great first impression to be completely honest because he is really serious.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so proud of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just the thing he says at the dinner table.

[SPEAKER_00]: are just not great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time we get to episode three coming out when when Emily suggests that the two of them go golfing and he reluctantly goes in hands up bonding with worry and that really upsets more a lie he doesn't want to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't but he ends up having a wonderful time with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do think part of it is because Roy is very fascinated by what he does and this is when we learn what he does.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he is the executive vice president of the German, Driscoll Insurance Corporation and he oversees their international division which means he travels a lot and I thought that that that was a really good way for the writers to justify why Ed Herman would be special opinion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that it was a really, really good way to implement his absence into the story because there are a lot of references to him traveling and he gets to go to some exotic places, some not-so exotic places, Akron.

[SPEAKER_01]: Akron, sometimes he's in Prague, other times he's in Ohio, very different, a very, very international insurance is happening in Ohio, but, yeah, who knows?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: But by the time we get to season two episode six presenting Laura like Elmore with the W.

Tomball and he's obviously very cranky and we talked about this a little earlier.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's being faced out and he's very agitated about it and he's been into facing out.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did he invented the term and he he is [SPEAKER_00]: taking a lot of it out on Emily, which is what he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty far for the course if we're gonna make golf puns on his interest here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when things sort to kind of go right in any, like I guess realm of his life, it kind of ends up being taken out on his wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is very fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think part of the reason that he is specifically in this episode, so agitated is that he keeps saying, like, no, I have to go do this because he's like, I don't know, almost like clutching onto his job now at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I have to go in early.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go do this because this is what I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is who I am.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's doubling down.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is certainly the ripple effect of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said, it's really taking [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's ten years old he decided he's insulting her 100% and it just feels like that thing of going back to ten years old He decided he was gonna wear a suit every day and never changed his mind and like that's his whole life Which we get a little glimpse of like after he retires [SPEAKER_01]: or after he announces retiring because Emily has no idea what to do with him because she said we got married, we went to Europe, got back, he went to work and it's been that way ever sense and so she doesn't know how to spend the day with him because he's kind of getting on her nerves.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, but it's because he identifies and like I feel like a lot of people can [SPEAKER_01]: identify with that as they get older that like your whole life is your job and so like what are you going to do when you stop working and that's definitely hitting him really hard because of the season two for the most part before we get to back in the saddle again is about him being phased out because he invented phasing people out he has the parking spot of the guy the last guy that he phased out and so he feels it and so from [SPEAKER_01]: something occurs in his life at work and that is that he resigns and he's decided he's going to retire and he doesn't tell Emily about it obviously but when they do talk about it he was really glad to have done it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh and it was like he worked himself into this anger that he was like [SPEAKER_01]: No one values the work that I've put in here and you're just going to phase me out and It was the first time people at work saw him smile.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I find what he says to Floyd which is the introduction of Floyd's dials We just don't know yet boys ever He says he just in describing his resignation.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says a detailed all of my years with the company [SPEAKER_00]: all of the travel I've done, all of the weekends I put in, the sacrifices I made, including time with my family.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can tell that like that really did take a toll on him for the firm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the more I talked to the angrier I became and then suddenly I heard myself resign, just like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so fascinating to have him relieve himself and release himself of this responsibility because he's starting to create this laundry list of all of the things he has sacrificed for a job that doesn't value him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that that is sometimes the reason why people go into business for themselves which is exactly what he ends up doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's like it's interesting to think that like he had this like big relief from resigning from his job to several episodes later being like, you know what, I'm done.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with all of this because I think sometimes you just need a break.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just need to like, especially break from like the situation that he was in, where like they basically were telling him that he lost his value there, that like you were gone, you were being phased out eventually, you were going to have to resign or retire, [SPEAKER_01]: in order for you to bounce because we weren't going to have you working here anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that lasted literally just a couple of episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and you can tell he's a little bored.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously he starts to feel this sense of [SPEAKER_00]: As you mentioned before, feeling obsolete in Richard and Stars Hollow.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I never thought about retirement.

[SPEAKER_00]: I never once imagined that I would go from being a productive member of the human race to a decrepit old drone sitting at the club at three in the afternoon drinking brandy and playing cards.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is not who he wants to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not until back in the saddle again that he really realizes, I don't want to be retired.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to get out of that situation I was in.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was making me miserable, working doesn't make me miserable, working makes me feel productive like a productive member of the human race.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that he comes to that conclusion.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am glad that he comes to that conclusion.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do wish that he could have come to a middle ground of like, yeah, you don't have to be working to be a productive member of the human race.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can have other interests.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that he just doesn't know anything else.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it needs that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it isn't Richardson's Hall of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We learned a little bit more about him.

[SPEAKER_01]: We learned that he wakes up at 5.30 a day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say after this, I had like, what are Richard's habits?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he, he loves a great fruit that man, great fruit, fruit before breakfast, AIDS digestion, I disagree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do a citrus on an empty stomach.

[SPEAKER_00]: Citrus on an empty stomach is hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I really love a great fruit.

[SPEAKER_01]: A brood-blade grapefruit, say, let's see.

[SPEAKER_01]: We did talk about this in return, Saras Halloween, the rewatch.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think, to be recently covered in a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he, he also I'm recognizing in, [SPEAKER_01]: um, help wanted, which is, of course, when he goes back into business, because back in the saddle, again, was basically just him being reinvigorated by a student project, and then gotten to a little tussle with Helen Charleston.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did about it, and not like really like reignited something for him that was [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit dormant, a little bit unsure, but he was like, no, no, no, I really do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need my own business because I got way too invested in the school project.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how we felt about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't seem to feel that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in help one did he's going back into business for himself, the Gilmore group, if you will, and he can't find an assistant because he's not going to pay his previous assistant [SPEAKER_01]: that won't make your dinner for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, so Laura, I help some.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this is when I realized he, his life is entirely run by women, but I don't think that he values that as much as he values what he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, at home, everything is Emily.

[SPEAKER_01]: She plans their entire social calendar, their standing in societies and totally etiquettes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like literally she wrote it down and she was like, we're gonna have, what is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Lamb chops and he's like, oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like upset by that And then they're having roast but everything is planned But then he doesn't even know how to buy like paper for his office.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like it's one room of paper and help wanted when Laura likes him to office depot because he was like, where do we get pens?

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay between Margie Emily [SPEAKER_00]: Laura Lye, the maid, she's just an eventually Karen, because Karen eventually Karen isn't who we never hear about ever again.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is his wife?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they run his life.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it really made me realize that when they're on like the they're version of Office Depot, shout out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you used to work Office Depot, is that right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Office Max.

[SPEAKER_01]: Office Max is one of the offices office retailers, but they're both like Costco, but it looks like the Costco version yeah, but the thing is is like he's like how do you know how to do all this I'm like because she's not an idiot [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think she has to learn on her own.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you think of how many pieces of paper in your office Richard, you think you're going to get one room of paper.

[SPEAKER_01]: You meet done by the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, oh, we'll get a couple of pens.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, you're not thinking big.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like so impressed by her.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think all throughout the episode he was like, oh, we should start a tab so we don't pay cash every day and she's already set it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, you're really anticipating my needs like that fact like that fellow mash he says.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think that he doesn't take into account just how much his life is run by women, which I liked realizing in this episode or rather researching for this episode because I was like, wow, he is really like the Patriarch of their family really upholds like Patriarchal values like he really leans into that definitely of the time that he grew up in definitely from his education going to like an all mail IV [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his life is run by women and if any of them disappeared, he wouldn't know what to do himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to your point, there is a reference that's made in the incredible singing lore lies when it comes to his past and kind of his movie days before he became the successful businessman working an insurance that he [SPEAKER_00]: is when we meet him in the pilot, he made a terrible investment in Dubliner's paper corporation, according to tricks.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you were first immediately, he made me think of Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder Mifflin, Dunder M [SPEAKER_00]: of course you're going to take it as a child, like it's like you're going to allow your parent to take care of you most of the time or maybe not depends on who you are, but I think that when a parent comes back and holds that over your head and uses that as like a criticism, oh, don't support that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that is to your point, another just like added to the list of the [SPEAKER_00]: when he was 10.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, past 10, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Richard was 10, you know, tricks really did.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was the backbone of their family, and she raised him, essentially.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then also pulled him out and build him out of a bad investment that he made.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to be fair, though.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was 27, and he said that was, quote, unquote, the time to make risks.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he already had that house that they live in.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, because he said, you would have lost this house.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what was interesting, I was like, so he's relatively successful at 27.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that like he had that big of a house, like that he could afford that and then was making bad investments on the side.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then on a side note, I love that episode so much because of Emily's face during it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you paid it back in two months.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, and I paid a bag of two weeks that you're just sitting there like, like, like, looking like, oh, my god, this is my favorite sport.

[SPEAKER_00]: My show's on watching her during that entire argument.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it is sadly the last conversation that Richard and his mom is before she wishes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really good in terms of the drama for Richard because the last conversation he had with her was a fight, but I find it very interesting if like we're talking about his relationship with Tricks as he's gotten older.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like he loves his mom?

[SPEAKER_01]: This man adores her and she seems to have been quite hard on him throughout his life, especially at 10 being like [SPEAKER_01]: My parents took me to Disney World at 33, so like, you know, but the thing is is I don't understand where their closeness comes from, maybe it's just from her encouraging him and like having that like sort of like, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Faith in the Gilmore name because I think that there's something some joke that she makes it's not a joke to her But it's a joke to us that Gilmore has had strong a me and systems because Emily has a headache But the thing to Emily's to like bring Emily up is like she Fucking hates her She is so mean to Emily she's never said a nice caring word about that woman [SPEAKER_01]: not even too Richard, but like that's where it's so interesting that like the dynamic of women in his life, it's like he always favors his mom over his wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think that that's one thing because there is like a lot of traits about Richard that I am not very fond of, but I think my least favorite of his is how he always acquiesces to his mother's anger or like [SPEAKER_00]: he's like, that's really what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's that he dismisses it and ignores it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't, but if you think Emily brings it to his attention, she's like, talks about that horrible woman, and he's just like, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, but I will say that like, [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of does this, he really should be defending his wife in my opinion, bar none.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I really don't feel like about my wife like that in my house, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when Emily talks about it, he does allow her the space to do so he's like, that is my mother and you will not speak about her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least that we've seen.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not just missing it in the regard of like, yeah, he's just missing it by not standing up for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he at least allows Emily and this is the only caveat I'll give is that he at least allows Emily the space to also that he knows exactly how Emily feels about his mother and I know he knows that it's justified.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he does too and like he lets her vent about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he's like don't talk about my mother like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like well, we're just talking facts about my mother at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he does my stand for in the middle on those things, which by standing in the middle, he's standing on tricks aside.

[SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree, but it's interesting because with anybody else Emily comes first.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if she wants the first cup of tea, she will have the first cup of tea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that when she would normalize, uh, turns down the sanders?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Payton Sanders.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't think of his name.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like John Ham, John Ham, John Ham, John Ham, John Ham, which some people might know him better as John Ham than Payton Sanders.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because, yeah, in that regard, he does, he does step up for her, but he does, but I do think he feels an allegiance to his mother.

[SPEAKER_00]: She raised him, she built him out of this, you know, bad business investment.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has always been there for him, even if she has been hard on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he feels this allegiance to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: that maybe makes it difficult for him to want to stand up to her?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will say he doesn't have any siblings that we ever hear about.

[SPEAKER_01]: That we hear about.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to imagine that, like, if at 10 he lost his dad, it was just him and his single mother against the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, like, what that might do, because are we not very fond of another single mother and her daughter, and them against the world in a very different capacity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I that it that something I've never really like thought about too much until this exact moment that Richard doesn't seem to really Value.

[SPEAKER_01]: Loyalize a single mother in that same way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you know, it does make sense is to why he Identifies with Rory and has such a strong connection with Rory.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, if you want to talk about L and R and L and R L or L and Richard or L and [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, you're thinking thoughts of this morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why he's so impressed by her is that despite the fact that Lora didn't necessarily follow the path that he laid out for her worry has still [SPEAKER_00]: gone in prepared for battle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, you're so right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I never really drew that parallel until you said that until you talked about how Laura like the first was effectively a single mother.

[SPEAKER_00]: If we are to believe that Richard's father passed it ten.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, if he was to time keep saying that past it, when Richard was 10, no, not when he was 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they still were second cousins, which that still blows my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, I do feel like Richard is more prone to protecting the Gilmore name.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't necessarily think that when he's with his when it's like Emily Richard and Tricks he necessarily feels like he needs to protect the Gilmore name in that regard not that it's not a reason for him to not stand up for his wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he definitely like I'm thinking back to Christopher Returns stand up for [SPEAKER_01]: which I cannot stop thinking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess in a couple of weeks, the episode with Hannah Grace, the author, and Gilmore to read about air.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was talking about things she likes about Richard and she says he likes when he stands up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she meant physically.

[SPEAKER_01]: She liked how tall he was, how tall.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very tall man.

[SPEAKER_01]: She meant when he stands up for his family.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just genuinely can't stop thinking about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, [SPEAKER_01]: One of my less intelligent moments on the podcast, there have been many.

[SPEAKER_01]: There have been many.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could listen about Barack Obama's parade tour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Archibald.

[SPEAKER_01]: Archibald.

[SPEAKER_01]: Archibald.

[SPEAKER_01]: Archibald.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's Archibald?

[SPEAKER_01]: But that one was like, oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: When he sends up big man, tall man.

[SPEAKER_01]: She meant for his family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which he does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: In Christopher's return.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that moving on to what he values, I do think that like the family name, the Gilmore family name, is something that is so high on that list, like, but terms and conditions apply.

[SPEAKER_00]: Terms and conditions do apply, you know, it's fine print.

[SPEAKER_00]: I value family of a terms and conditions apply.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like my first up to people, especially like men specifically strobe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is something we talked about though when we are prepping for this is he will believe you until he sees it despite [SPEAKER_01]: being told by other people that it's wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like was strobe, like, or I know that strobe hates her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Until he sees it with his very eyes and grabs him by the lapels and kicks him out, he's like, you're not leaving.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kicking you out to strobe, which I love.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the same thing with Mitchum.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, oh, that was all misunderstanding.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Mitchum was like, no, it really wasn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really told her that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really told her that she would be a better assistant and doesn't have what it takes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like Mitcham doesn't doesn't hold a back.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, oh, you know, he would have died.

[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like no, he wouldn't have because that's a Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it really takes seeing he has done the same thing to Dean.

[SPEAKER_00]: This family has standards.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I live up to them and we expect that everyone you surround yourself with live up to them also.

[SPEAKER_01]: but it's also that thing of like, he values people standing in society.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he has no standing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also no commitment to education, but we know that strobe.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was bound for Princeton.

[SPEAKER_01]: He like really values that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mechum, he's Mitchum.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like he really values that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But a question that I had for you is an episode that we watched recently, of course, was haunted leg.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is when the Friday night dinner stands Richard and Christopher comes over and we witness the scene between them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we really see Emily witness kind of crispying the worst.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris, how do you think that Richard would have reacted to that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we would have had like a strobe Mitch and moment where it's like, get out of my house?

[SPEAKER_00]: God, I can't even picture it because Emily does it so beautifully.

[SPEAKER_00]: So well, Christopher, you need to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I almost prefer that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love, I think that's one of Emily's best moments and I wouldn't want to take it away from her.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just more like the reaction because for some reason, he really values Christopher.

[SPEAKER_00]: that comes back in Lazy, he's a crazy days of summer season three episode one when Laura Lye is like, we're not together anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: His girlfriend is pregnant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Richard immediately is like, yeah, of course, Christopher is going to do that because Christopher always would have done that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to do it with Laura Lye.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to do right in him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he that's a true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder if witnessing that because he's a witness set is really what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do wonder if witnessing that in the following episode would have changed his outlook on Christopher as a whole because we don't I don't think [SPEAKER_00]: get a lot of, I mean, until season seven, if you want to consider that, canon, we don't really get a lot of Christopher's opinions on Christopher after that episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really just very Emily forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is because Emily could witness it as she did and haunted like and still move forward with her plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it's a good show up in season five.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've never [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what she says, so what she calls them, I forgot the word she uses, but yeah, she's never thought much of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like she's a lot more willing to just let things go, whereas he once he sees it, he can't answer you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Game over, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I always wondered if he would have seen that if he would have moved in that direction.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, he always thinks very highly of Christopher, at least until that moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think [SPEAKER_00]: The reason that he feels so highly about Christopher, things so highly of him is because adding to the list of Richard's values is he believes in order.

[SPEAKER_00]: He believes in quote, following the proper procedure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Chris, when we see the flashback and dear Emily and Richard, we see that Chris was very sheepishly, but very willing to follow the plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that is something that Richard values.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he says something in regards to the grapefruit actually, and Richard and stars hollow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are many things in life that we don't like, because she's like, I don't like grapefruit.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, the benefits that they give that far out way, the, you know, the displeasure of actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Having them, and I think that that is exactly, it's such a pertinent quote to who Richard is as a character and how he lives his life because that is exactly what he wanted lower line Chris to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we don't always like the things we have to do, but we have to do them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that that is a very generational thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100% and like a lot of a lot of Richard's values, I feel like the writers really nailed him very well of like he's very contradictory to what he Values and his actions upon them and I think it is like he really is just rooted in like patriarchal values that like we're instilled in him from [SPEAKER_01]: his mother and like from his own upbringing that I feel like it makes a lot of sense because I think that with Chris it's like the potential like you you agreed with me and you were going to go along with me which says a lot more than the fact that you never showed up like you were going to but my stubborn daughter as he calls her stubborn girl all the time like because she couldn't go along with it he like Chris couldn't live up to what he wanted to do which was in [SPEAKER_01]: And so, like Chris always wins over that, even though he didn't do anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he never showed up.

[SPEAKER_01]: He never went to Princeton.

[SPEAKER_01]: He never did anything that he needed to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to do everything he needed to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: His visitors thought there was, is almost like, doesn't matter to Richard.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, well, you wanted to do the right thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the quote unquote white thing and I think that he's very hard and fast about those rules.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Chris, I think Richard is very black and white.

[SPEAKER_00]: Emily is also very black and white, but when she went into things like what happened with Christopher or like the nuances of other situations, I think she She is much more apt to maybe see the other side more than Richard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she's very little bit like it's a very small small margin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, but I think she can see Laura lie a little bit better than Richard can.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that sometimes he covers up his eyes a little bit, which I, I, is interesting because he, some things he values family, of course, his standing in the community and in society.

[SPEAKER_01]: He obviously values power and wealth because that's what he, [SPEAKER_01]: It was invested in 10 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Suites are really important to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, loyalty, loyalty.

[SPEAKER_01]: But on the flip side of that, he's annoyed by his social responsibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's annoyed that Emily has all these things that [SPEAKER_01]: are on their social calendar that he doesn't want to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to go talk to these dumb people.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he wants to be a strong upstanding member of his of like the society of Hartford.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not just like in his local community, he wants to be important amongst these people.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't want to be a part of all of the quote unquote frivolous things that Emily has planned for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's the only reason that they are able to do that is because she goes out and she's a part of the DER and she's on the symphony fundraiser board.

[SPEAKER_01]: And all of these are the things that she invests her time in so that the Gilmore family name can be very strong.

[SPEAKER_01]: in society.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't want to be a part of.

[SPEAKER_01]: And to that point, he doesn't want worry to be like her, despite the fact that his life would fall apart if she wasn't doing what she did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So true.

[SPEAKER_00]: In season 6 we see a lot of that and we talked about this a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: on Gilmore revisited when it comes to season six, because Richard says a lot of things about worry that does align with Emily and her life, and it all comes to a head in 21 is the loneliness number, where he's 21st birthday party, when he's soaking in the study and all upset with himself for not going with Laura Lysplan.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he and Emily are left to have this conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I don't want her to be like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want her to be in the D.A.R.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm planning these frivolous parties and she goes, you don't want her to have my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, that's not what I meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, that's exactly what you meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, that is exactly what you meant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you view what Emily does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Despite the fact that she's your wife, and this is literally what she signed up to do for you, and you're feeling your life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you view the things that she does as less important.

[SPEAKER_00]: And less important than Rory going and getting an education, even though Emily also got an education at Smith, she's sure did.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Rory going out and being a foreign correspondent, that is very valuable to him, which is so interesting because I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's like, well, then how, in what ways do you value your wife?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something in there, there's a complex in there that also gets in the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: A trick also frowned upon Emily and who she was and it's like, why?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why does Emily get steamrolled so much of the time when things go bad?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't take Richard and perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't take Richard at someone who wanted to be married to a person who was doing exactly what he was doing, who was like going out and conquering the world and how to curve her own.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needed someone to be at home.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he needed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't have done what he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that sort of thing is like, his standing in society, a lot of his legacy as it Gilmore has built because of Emily.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, like his work and like the...

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the insurance world that he has done and like they're standing in society as possible because of the work that he's done.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, their place there is because of what Emily built and I think it's interesting when we get to season six.

[SPEAKER_01]: It really is reflective of that like for for Richard seeing is believing because he like, like, like, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to figure out how to say like the potential of worry at the end of season five when he like let I think that it was Richard who let her drop out of Yale.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was like this potential that he could see in her that he was like she's going to make the right choices.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to do the right thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But as the season six sort of progressed, he was watching it and he learned from Mitchum what had actually happened and he was kind of seeing the truth of the matter and he was like fuck, I messed up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, this is not how this is supposed to go, but he seemed so sure of himself when it was like the potential of it like the same with Chris, it's like he was gonna go along with what he said and there was the potential of him but like in actuality in like the finding out the truth [SPEAKER_01]: And then the action of it, he was like, oh, well, this is wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: This is wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he has his little pity party in his study.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that for him, he likes to think the best of a situation of someone that he's always maybe thought the best of Christopher, despite the fact that he got his daughter pregnant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, thanks very highly of that man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you do say to Laura Lye in Christopher returns.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't be naive.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think I love the boy that I thought are pregnant.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think I love him?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, but you like, you do.

[SPEAKER_00]: You do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you low-keyed deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a narrator.

[SPEAKER_01]: You do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then like that team thing, I feel like the same idea comes back with Lori, like in season six.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, this is not what I wanted for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did not think this through.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the best of this situation as it turns out, it's the worst version of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's always been the worst version, but I like to see it kind of.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like that he lives for the hope of it all sometimes that man and it's wrong, it's wrong, yeah, but of course as we go through this series, we learn about his family, his time is Yale, you're a year old man, like that's literally stuck in my head saying that his work, like his, uh, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: family relations to all the women around him, but he also has a lot of very strong interests.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he loves golf.

[SPEAKER_00]: He loves golf.

[SPEAKER_00]: He loves fixing cars.

[SPEAKER_00]: He does fixing antique cars is something that he really enjoys.

[SPEAKER_01]: It happens when he retires and then when he he and Emily separate, which we didn't talk about much in this, but like we've talked about the two of them before.

[SPEAKER_01]: and we'll probably well again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he also talks about collecting stamps.

[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to organize his stamp collection in Richard and stars.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a reader, strong reader.

[SPEAKER_00]: He loves reading the paper, loves literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's the series that he's been reading for like years and years and years?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a Roman Empire, the rise involved, the Roman Empire.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: His Roman Empire is the Roman Empire, as the saying goes, and I think that's why he relates so much to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's investing, sometimes not in the best way.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a chumberry man.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a chumberry man myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was all the rage when I was in school.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of my favorite things about him is how much he loves Chuck Mary loves Tom Barry and he also loves classical music Mozart You know humming the Mozart improd the story tells in the bracelet dinner That's spooky when they were playing share They were blasting share out of their boom box and he was like, oh, I stood there and hummed Mozart [SPEAKER_00]: He's looking good for your man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Richard, you can't possibly believe it's because you were humming Mozart that they moved.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because there was a man across the street humming at them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was not, that was not very highly, highly regarded.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you will, he seemed kind of insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the last one I had was cigars because he got him a humidor.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then tricks quickly followed it up and got gave him his father's humidor, which so tricks of her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But those are his hobbies that I remembered.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also in season five when he separated from Emily Jordan's a barbershop quartet.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can tell that the whip improves really hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm really fat on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Richard definitely, what I love about these hobbies and qualities about him is that it really humanizes him because of all the things we just discussed and the complications of his values and the way that he acts on those values throughout the duration of the season, it can kind of villainize him in a lot of ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there's a lot of discourse out there that he wasn't a good dad wasn't a good [SPEAKER_00]: partner in some ways too Emily, but then there are a lot of ways in which I feel like he is and was and it's very complicated, very nuanced.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think that like the I am an autumn of it all from Rory's birthday parties.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think also endears us to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think his hobbies do the same.

[SPEAKER_00]: That you're just like, oh Richard, it's just like [SPEAKER_01]: He had a cutie grandpa, doesn't even get mad at him, but no until we do get mad at him and you're like, oh, okay This also made me like, I really next year want to compare his relationship that he has with Laura lied to the relationship He has with Rory I know because like it's always said that Emma has a Laura like her all and Richard is a Rory girl And I really want to like dive into his side of both of those because like there's a line that he says Rory is top priority in this house Yes, he does [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, I would like to talk more about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that is our analysis on Richard Gilmore.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in going through all of these, we...

[SPEAKER_00]: We're fascinated by like a lot of his relationship, not only with Emily and Lori, but with Laura Lye and something we've talked about very often the last few years on this show is like all of the things that Laura like could have said about her dad because as I mentioned, like yeah there are definitely some moments where it's like Richard is kind of not great, especially in the pilot and like and not always team Laura Lye, not always team team snide remark.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's easy for us to, and I'm sure it's easy for Laurel I to remember the not so great times, and that obviously comes back in winter when they do the flashback to his funeral in a year in the life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Laurel I of course tells a story that's not so much a fun memory, it causes a huge blow up between her.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Emily and it's like, wow, you could have said so many other things and you could go through all of this in preparation for just an exclusive Richard episode I was like, there's so many things that that we could have said Well, it because on Gilmour revisited it was like a little bit of a joke where we like she could have said that but then it became like very serious that we were like, well She could have said that we knew she was drunk, but she could have said that [SPEAKER_00]: You could have just stayed asleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could have just stayed asleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're going to have a gomer to consider episode in a couple of weeks about a year in the life, because we are coming up on the nine year anniversary of a year in the life, which I know doesn't feel like monumental.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like the 74th anniversary of the Franklin.

[SPEAKER_00]: But between the show ending in 2007 and the revival airing in 2016, that was nine years and we are exactly nine years removed from the revival so it feels very simple.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do a little a year in the life, go more to consider and talk about some of the things that Laura like could have said about Richard, which I'm really excited to [SPEAKER_00]: Ask our besties about.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a little question box on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_00]: But also if you have thoughts, please give us a call on our voice mail number 605784653.

[SPEAKER_00]: There she is.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I were to tell that's the number of calls, so check the voice mail.

[SPEAKER_00]: perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will keep my ears open for that one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Keep your eyes peeled.

[SPEAKER_00]: But before we talked about a year in the life specifically and Laurel, I am Richard's relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to do a deep dive armatured.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you guys enjoyed if you do enjoy our part.

[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you enjoyed Richard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had a lot of fun kind of dissecting him and really getting into the nitty gritty of who's character is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, if you want to check us out and watch us, if you're listening, obviously you know you can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, anywhere you listen to your podcast, but you can also subscribe to us on YouTube and watch if I'm wearing a sweater that has a dog with a [SPEAKER_00]: the ball jersey on it or exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Haley's wearing a little fall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it looks like a witch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Haley looks like a little witch in the woods right now, which is her dream.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can check us out on YouTube.

[SPEAKER_00]: But as we mentioned, we are really excited about our Thanksgiving merch that is coming out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Go to www.yelmortissade.com to check it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't skip the rolls.

[SPEAKER_00]: The rolls.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't skip them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what says Thanksgiving more than an episode about food on this show?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not much else.

[SPEAKER_00]: And something that I've been really, really excited to do is talk about the way that, I mean, food at plays a really big role in this entire series.

[SPEAKER_00]: But specifically, the way that food plays a role through two distinct characters in the [SPEAKER_00]: and we'll have more to say on that in the next episode.