[SPEAKER_01]: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, this is the number of the cops up to 8, I'm so elated, oh my god, is a breaking news podcast, 9, 9, okay, here we go, hi everybody, welcome back to the more to consider with Tara, I can say I'm Tara.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is Haley.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi Haley.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi Tara.

[SPEAKER_02]: I nailed it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, you did a great job.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did a great job.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah's laughing because we were trying to figure out what word to say, I feel like cycle through a few revival.

[SPEAKER_02]: I said, year, cause we're going to talk about a year in the lives.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I said thanksgiving cause it's Thanksgiving week here in the U.S., how do you think?

[SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, oh, it's been nine years since some revival came out.

[SPEAKER_02]: She said to say nine and I was like, you know, I love a number, especially what comes after eight, nine.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the gas for the terror gusts.

[SPEAKER_02]: When she realized we were in the same night, I was so elated, elated, wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: She descended from a bubble.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was so excited.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a beautiful realization.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it was [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Gilmour to Consider.

[SPEAKER_01]: It also halfway through the intro I realized that this was not Gilmour to say it was Gilmour to consider because we are going to be considering some of your thoughts today about it here in the life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Famously we finished a year in the life we finished this series on Patreon earlier this fall and some tend to pull episode about it and now we are here to have some more things to consider especially after last week's Richard episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: or two weeks ago or two weeks ago, Richard's episode because last week was food fights.

[SPEAKER_01]: God, I love that episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's especially because you're scaring Pedro.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if anyone loves that line as much as we do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's so many little bits that it's like everyone's like, this is the line you guys like.

[SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[SPEAKER_01]: So funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's with the finger too.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the emphasis.

[SPEAKER_01]: Melissa McCarthy is a genius, a comedic genius.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to hear us an L when I believe it's the, I believe it's our birthday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, we give ourselves a birthday as a podcast because minds December 3rd and you're December 9th.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's December 6th.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the musical guest I didn't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember who it was, but I randomly turned on SNL The other night because Olivia Dean was the musical guest and Glenn Bowie's thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she looked gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she did look beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw your post on Instagram Very much gorgeous lady love her music if you haven't listened to her [SPEAKER_01]: highly recommend, highly recommend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started, I did want to acknowledge that the actors who played Mia Elizabeth Franz sadly passed away, I guess at this point when this episode here is a couple of weeks ago and we're so sad to hear that because original Mia from season two, she's amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Mia and our hearts and I'm really sad, really sad.

[SPEAKER_02]: especially because in all of the reporting from it the she's a Tony board winner, but that was placed secondary and almost every report about it to her being a Gilmore girl star.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like oh my gosh, I just love that like that has become such like a monumental credit for people and she is a monumental character.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know who told me about it was my dad.

[SPEAKER_02]: He sent me a screen shot of it and he goes he was like I'm not sure he saw it on Facebook.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was like I don't know if this is fake news [SPEAKER_02]: And I lifted up from this like, oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of our listeners reached out to me, yeah, breaking news from Ed, I know one of our listeners reached out on Saturday.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was at a wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw it and I was so sad and I went to text you but I got distracted because we were in Florida at a wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's just really sad.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, lots of prayers to her family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I did want to acknowledge that before we got into Chase episode because I know that we record these as you all know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So far in advance, I always want to assure the like we hear something that's kind of like quote unquote breaking news.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about it as soon as possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then it's up, you know, somewhere somewhere in the conversation in the next couple weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: But as we mentioned, it is Thanksgiving this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: So happy Thanksgiving to those of you who celebrate here in the United States.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had our food fights episode last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this week we wanted to kind of take it back to, like I said, the episode we did in September and our Richard episode that we did two weeks ago in talking about a year in the life.

[SPEAKER_01]: And mostly kind of [SPEAKER_01]: discussing what Laura like could have said about Richard in that flashback in winter, which we've talked about a lot on this podcast, the possibility of prospect of like, what could she have said we have to do an episode about that?

[SPEAKER_01]: And here it finally is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things she could have said.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's, well, I actually will get into it because we asked our besties on our Instagram story and you guys delivered.

[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all deleted.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was a highly answered question box, but if you, if you don't know, it might be kind of weird to think, like, why did you guys not do your food fight episode this week, the week of Thanksgiving?

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is because this week, it has been nine years since the Gamarko's Revival a year in the life came out, which is the amount of time that passed from the original series to the revival coming out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like the same distance on either side, which I quite like.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I think it's just like a fun low celebration, not especially it's 25th anniversary of Gilmour rolls this year, the ninth anniversary of the revival feels like a weird, so you're crazy now.

[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds crazy, no?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels, it feels right to, because nine years after the original series of a revival aired, nine years after the revival, [SPEAKER_02]: This is weak.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here we are.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're really hungry anniversary, but I can more like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, more like and rory and lame and spooky and Emily and just post that recently.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't, but they were selling something about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were selling similar shirts at the press, at rock paper scissors.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you send me a picture of her recently?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I, so I can see it in my mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: Huh, are you sure you didn't post it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is this what I dream about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: These are the dreams I have, yes, yes, they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can you send me a picture of you in it to see if I'm making this up?

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been post it this week that this episode actually is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just a post a story for everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very important, very important information.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I...

[SPEAKER_01]: love thinking back and reminiscing about the anticipation of that revival.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so such an exciting time in everybody's lives, especially if you had been watching the show like we did when it was originally airing or in reruns on ABC Family and only to be met with this amazing revival announcement.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just so exciting.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really cool to think that this time nine years ago we were all gearing up to experience the revival, which of course we had some [SPEAKER_01]: mixed feelings on as you can listen to in our year-in-the-life episode from September, but what we all feel pretty I think pretty unanimous on is that Laura like had an array of options of fun memories She could have shared about Richard in that flashback in winter when Emily is asking everybody who is still present at the end of the funeral [SPEAKER_01]: the celebration of life, you know, in the evenings, those of you, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, do I call it a party gathering?

[SPEAKER_01]: The people who were left by the end of the night.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's asking everybody to go around famously in a circle and share their fondness memory of Richard and Laura Lye is drunk and I just woke up from a nap, not a great state of mind to be in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a purposeful nap?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, but could she have stayed asleep still?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I was in percent.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was that man's name?

[SPEAKER_02]: Who was a sleep?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like murder or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah But we were like just go his route.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just pass out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: They probably would have woken her up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Emily herself would have shaken it shaking her away [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been fantastic and when you're shaking or like she'll do her face up against her.

[SPEAKER_03]: She'll remember me!

[UNKNOWN]: Of what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Your father!

[SPEAKER_01]: My father!

[SPEAKER_02]: You've never lived on this!

[SPEAKER_01]: When this, you know, when the time comes to her, even though she tries to dodge it, she has absolutely no idea what to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just so fascinating to us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about this in a revival, nothing more, back in 2022.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating to us because we watched the entire series.

[SPEAKER_01]: We watched Enduring Moments between the two of them, which, yes, of course, were maybe fewer and farther between the moments he has with Emily or Lori.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, like Richard and Laura Lye would say are kind of at the bottom of the tone [SPEAKER_01]: when it comes to fond memories and soft moments between the two of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're really there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so we turned to all of you to give some opinions about what you thought she could have said because we certainly have them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited to get into it today.

[SPEAKER_01]: But before we start, I wanted to play a voice mail that we got on our voice mail line.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, call us beep us if you want to reach us with a hot take.

[SPEAKER_01]: but okay I think that this voice mail really does kind of hold hands with our episode from a couple weeks ago all about Richard Gilmore and kind of a poll that I posted on Instagram the week that we release that episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: on the public's opinion of him, how they feel about the decisions, the poll, of, you know, if Richard is a good man, misunderstood, maybe the puppet master.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let's hear from our bestie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are a non-bestie?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are a non-immist-bestie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sorry, I got kind of on my last one, but I haven't opinion on what more like [SPEAKER_00]: So there's lots of times that they spend things that Richard did in the negative light.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they make it look bad, I think he's been badly throughout the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he was always a family man.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was always there for his family.

[SPEAKER_00]: The times that he's bought strobe and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, he cared about worry immensely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he set up that interview and it like, [SPEAKER_00]: surprise her, but he was doing it so that she could have a good education and guess which learning is going.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he uses connections to help his family all in the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here was extremely resourceful, and he never turned down, Laura, or whatever they asked him for help.

[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what, and I think one of the sweeter moments in the show is when he brings [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that's such a cute little moment and like, I guess like an overall bad time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was a lot going on during that time, but she brought her, or she brought her the billhouse, which meant a lot to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there were lots of things that she could have said positively.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, contrary, I, I love Richard.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's great, um, yes, he makes mistakes, but so we all sort of realized, I, [SPEAKER_00]: I personally think Richard was great to worry, and therefore great to more lie, and sorry, not to bring your eyes around with something else, but everybody gets mad at him because of the Christopher famous morning to make him work for the company whatever, I don't think that's a bad thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was just trying to set up the best possible future for his daughter and his granddaughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to, again, use his resources, use his connections to set up the best possible life for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was extremely helpful, and I will never, ever be convinced otherwise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't try to change her mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: But here he's never ever be convinced otherwise.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love someone who stands 10 toes down on what they're feeling.

[SPEAKER_02]: We do.

[SPEAKER_02]: But here's a thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would never regret Richard for trying to find a solution of like the he can come work for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's just being resourceful.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's on the other end of that where he's like, [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher always does what's right like though that the whole like in season three when Laura like goes over to dinner and she ends up walking out because Richard is like yeah of course because Christopher is going to do it right with Sherry and his new baby and he was going to do it's right with you and worry but you were the one that puts the problem and I'm like yeah okay [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's the thing is that while I agree with this color that Richard does tend to be painted in somewhat of a negative light with some of the choices that he makes or the things that he says, the criticisms that he makes of his daughter because Laura Lye as a character does fundamentally paint her parents in a negative light because that is the story that she like that is that's her story, that's her story.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's her story.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I do agree that there are a lot of things that he does, where it's like, oh, well, that was, that was kind.

[SPEAKER_01]: And despite the fact that he's done maybe some other things on the whole, he really just had the core of it all cares about his family.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, I do think when it comes to, yes, like, I don't think a lot of people are mad that Richard wanted.

[SPEAKER_01]: Christopher to work for his company and set them up for success.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the aftermath of Richard then putting Christopher on a pedestal because he was going to follow the plan and Laura Lye did it and subsequently She gets kicked off the pedestal like Richard [SPEAKER_01]: Christopher is always going to be up here and it's funny that he kind of contradicts that I know we talked about this two weeks ago he contradicts that in Christopher returns when she's like well you love Christopher and he's like you think I love the guy that got my daughter pregnant yeah it's like well you just were like yeah you kind of do but you know taking it back to their other point with the doll house the doll house was such an endearing moment however [SPEAKER_01]: It was met with, I need something from you.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I actually have a lot of thoughts about a lot of the things that people submitted because that one was highly submitted.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was, yeah, and it is a sweet moment when he's like, I figured you would want this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I need to talk to you about Rory.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So now you realize that the choice is that you made, that went against what I wanted to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those didn't work out for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so now you're offering me an olive branch in the form of this very large, [SPEAKER_01]: gift that you know is very sentimental to me, but it is being used as leverage to have a conversation with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's why I'm really excited to this caller, like, made me even more excited to do an episode next year of, like, Richard relationship with Worry versus Richard relationship with Lora lives.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because something that I know that this is about a year in life, but like, in this moment, this caller said that Richard would do anything for Lora and Worry, and it immediately made me think of a house is not a home season five.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Lora came to Richard and Emily and said, Worry, dropping out of the aisle, I need your help.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not staying for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to help you flash, flash for what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Flash forward later in the episode, he slides with worry and worries shopping out of you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's like that idea of like he's bringing in the dollhouse.

[SPEAKER_02]: Laura, I wanted the dollhouse because her mom is going to get rid of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Richard brings it to her because he knows she wants it because he needs her help with worry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which he already was the one that, like, brushed it off previously, brushed it off as too.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's simple a word for what he did for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, throw it in the trash, bring it, tossed it out, burnt it again.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, holding that was his fault.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm so with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: It still always comes back to Rory.

[SPEAKER_02]: It always comes back to Rory.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I do agree with this call, although very much a family man.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, very, I would still consider him to be like a, look at, and, you know, to the most part.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for the most part, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think similarly to Emily, he and Emily make choices that are very, [SPEAKER_01]: Good for the family and a forward facing way for him as I said two weeks ago Doing the right thing is very important to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's the right thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he is decided.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right Doing what he wants [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that that came from grand and kind of her indoctrination of that mentality into him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's generational as we talked about, but he really values that, especially when it comes to a front facing, like, this is about the Gilmore name.

[SPEAKER_01]: In that regard, I also think he's a family man, but when it comes to actually being there to support his family emotionally, I don't know that he always shows up.

[SPEAKER_01]: in the way that they need him to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe for Lori and sometimes for Emily, but I don't ever really see that with Laura, why?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the memory she shares of going into the trunk and he went to a different country.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I disagree with her [SPEAKER_01]: In the sense that like I wish she hadn't shared that, I think there were other things she could have done.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it was intentional as, as intentional as Emily paints it to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: When they have that fight after all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting about this idea of lore life sharing this at his funeral, which I like that this color also couldn't decide but this in but this gathering was called it is a funeral thing is they referred to it the after party the reception the leftovers the people who think it about [SPEAKER_02]: Is that I still I know that a lot of people disagree, but like I think that war like came back from hating her mom Like I just think that the amount of things that we have learned about what she said Like even in like Thanksgiving speaking of this week when Sukey's like oh hi Emily and Lorla's like oh Joseph Stalin is behind you like there's no way that you think highly of your mom And I just think that her default is to hate her parents [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just so interesting that from 2000 when the series started to 2016 when this came out that there was a real no core character development that like it's still defaults that she's matter her parents.

[SPEAKER_02]: that when she's drunk at her dad's funeral, the first thing that she thinks to share as a memory is something that was hurtful to her, something that was hard on her, that it wasn't even in her drunk and state being like, oh, any of these ones that people put in today, put in the quashabox for us, that still her core in the revival.

[SPEAKER_02]: Marking like a real frozen in time, which we have said many times is what their rival feels like it's like there was no growth there that it feels like her core Like idea about her parents is still rooted in Distaste and dislike and disdain for them [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, yeah, I still disagree with the hate of it all the hatred.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I appreciate that you San Tento's down on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think she hated her.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I just think that she, [SPEAKER_01]: always saw the worst in her parents after a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she always believed that their intentions were bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: Selfish, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in some regards, maybe taking it back to this voicemail where this caller said, like, I know that a lot of his actions were maybe painted in a bad light.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that that's because we see it from the lens.

[SPEAKER_01]: The show is from the lens of the two world girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that the way that we're introduced to the character of Richard is not the best, and I said that two weeks ago as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, we start off with him being at that dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: That first Friday night dinner, he is so edgy to her and flat out mean.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I will give to like the first episode, the pilot is a lot more, uh, biting than the rest of the series, like for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: they already positioning him and poising him to be the kind of man who is judgmental, does not appreciate his daughter, does it respect his daughter?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just has a lot of disdain for her and therefore it makes sense why she has a lot of disdain right back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like what came first of the chicken or the egg kind of conversation because if she was treated like that, her entire life, I could understand why she had [SPEAKER_01]: her mom, the relationship that she has with Emily, is a lot more nuanced and complicated.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think than the relationship she has with Richard, she's still complicated, but there are a lot more layers to it with.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's a lot more hands on, if you will.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are a lot more handlers with Emily, whereas I feel like Richard was maybe a little based on what we've witnessed [SPEAKER_01]: So a little more hands-off and subsequently there's just kind of a wedge between the two of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that is what makes the moments that we think she could have said all the more heart-felt is to see the softness between the two of them because it's rare that we got that.

[SPEAKER_01]: When we do see it, it is really nice because we first get that softness, not even just with Emily, like in the series we first see that softness that soft side of Richard come out because of Brory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that that is why he in turn cares so deeply for this girl because she brings outside of him that his own daughter didn't or that we know of didn't or wasn't willing to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, who's to say, we'll never know, right, because we didn't get those flashbacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got the flashbacks from a very limited point of view in one episode, and we get some stories.

[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the story, she does ultimately end up calling her mom to tell her about Richard is a very endearing one, and it's sweet, but they never talked about it again.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not the relationship he has with Lori.

[SPEAKER_01]: His relationship with Lori is very, it is a true, like, oh, we are building this on the foundation of next to nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we have built something very beautiful in our relationship.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very progressive.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's why Richard starts to soften towards Laura Lye.

[SPEAKER_01]: I because of Lori.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally, totally agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that some of the moments that are the softest between Richard and Laura lie come from a like starting to understand each other more in a way that they didn't before and or resolving maybe some past, [SPEAKER_01]: conflicts between the two of them and the first one that comes to mind is in star cross lovers and other strangers when she's Bradford is downstairs at dinner with them showy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we're trying to set out for a bowl of lower light on a date.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, dinner because lower not lower light.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, lower light.

[SPEAKER_02]: Rory is on her three month anniversary date with dean.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so Emily is like, yeah, she can go because she has an alternative to your emotive.

[SPEAKER_02]: Always.

[SPEAKER_01]: Always.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Richard finds him in sufferables.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, that's that we have understanding each other a little differently than they ever have before.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Richard's watching what's happening with Emily sees that Laura lies like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he says, we're sneaking out the window.

[SPEAKER_01]: That probably, as she says to him, like you're probably having a horrible lower life flashback.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry that we fought last week, which was in Christopher Returns when he gets in the fight with Strobe and defends her and then they go on to kind of have a bit of a confrontation, the two of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that she says like I'm sorry that we fought last week, but like please do not make me go back downstairs and like talk to that man because that man is boring.

[SPEAKER_01]: being like, oh, no, come downstairs or Emily, she's up here, she's trying to sneak out the window.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he doesn't rat on her.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is a beautiful moment, especially when famously, you know, we love this line, she goes, thank you, Daddy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very cute and well, endearing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is like a moment from the question box.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's probably the most submitted moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: But here is my question for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: How would that have come across to Emily for her to be like, okay, want to try to set me on a date?

[SPEAKER_02]: We were here at the house and you tried to set me up with Chase Bradford, and I was trying to call out the window because I didn't want to be on this say and I didn't want to be here and he saw me and he didn't tell you That is felt better.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, definitely fair That is not Entire shining a bad light on Richard [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: It, I will say the, the, um, the story shins of telling in fall is also something I'm really didn't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's more of that that felt like he helped her in her moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was like them, uh, conspiring against Emily.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because Emily set this up and she didn't want to be down there and so well, I mean, Emily, Emily already knew she left.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know for the most part.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would have just been more confirmation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know if that moment would have made Emily feel better because you're like, oh, well, your dad was helping you, but like Against me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that would land it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is definitely not at the top of my list.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very sweet moment, but it's not the one that was the number one most submitted moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was because that moment between the two of them is so iconic.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: First time we hear Laura like Hall, Richard Daddy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she loves to do that, but I'm just, I'm thinking of that moment in terms of like Emily one in memories of him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: Everything was supposed to be something that she didn't know, but I don't know how that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a better than what she said.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but it's just it's a anti Emily thing totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder how that would have landed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I actually feel that way about a lot of the memories that she has with Richard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on that note, I'd really love to kind of move in sequential order of like the moments that I that kind of stood out to me that I assume are besties also maybe mentioned.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but ones that I do feel we're appropriate to share because the next one that comes to mind for me is in help on did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like for me that probably would have been the moment to share.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I just think like it doesn't [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't say anything negatively to Emily or or undermine the relationship that she had with her husband or the one that she has with Laura lie or anybody for that matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that all she had to say was I loved being able to help dad set up the Gilmore group.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was the first time that I felt really seen by him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was the first time that I felt like he respected me as a business owner.

[SPEAKER_01]: and because all of those things I think are true from my vantage point as an audience member, I felt like that was Richard witnessing her at work, especially after what happened in Richard and Star's Hollow, like that was not a good moment for the two of them because he kind of did what was her childhood.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where could you look?

[SPEAKER_01]: Check it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And subsequently, to then have her be the one to guide him through signing his own business.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think is I that that's number one for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the top of the list for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what I think she could have and should have said.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like it's the moment when she feels like he recognized that she's a very competent person.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we also kind of recognize that he's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Margie was going to buy his paper, Loreland up having a biocuse.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to buy one pack of paper.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also very sweet because he bought a bunch of nope post-it notes for Emily, because he noticed that she put him on her mirror.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like there was like a little nice memory there, but in my like, if I could play Loreland's advocate here in the same way of being the devil's advocate, is that like how did it take you so long to realize that I'm a competent Vincent's over that like this took that long.

[SPEAKER_01]: three, three, four years.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know I've been doing this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been doing this business for quite some time, but I think it's just like the juxtaposition of like recognizing like, whoa, she is she is doing quite well at this.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like when once something that someone submitted from that moment when she was like, you back the sweet, like that was like a really small moment to like see him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, of course, it kind of went downhill.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, like, there is that, like, lens to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But overall, I think they had a really nice time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that while Emily knew about it, I think that, like, having that thought there, I just would have loved for her core, like, to stay in for her parents to have, like, moved, like, just, like, moved on, or, like, had a more fond memory.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I definitely, definitely agree with that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess on the, you back this week.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: the next moment, of course, that comes to mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of an Emily and Richard moment, but it then ends up becoming a Richard and Laura Lai but wait, but it's it's how proud they are for when she graduates from oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Business school.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just and I love again speaking to like the thank you daddy of it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love when she when he gives her the envelope.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she's like, oh, he goes back and also I think live on.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just find that to be so special and so sweet and it just was a really sweet moment that was not tainted really by anything or again doesn't undermine Emily and her relationship with either one of them it really does speak to like she was like I she could have said like I was so [SPEAKER_01]: Touched at how proud he looked when I looked out into the audience when it graduated from business school both of you, but he gave me an envelope afterwards.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually sensed out when I was in my talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, well, I think about it in terms of like the retelling of it because you have to know she would say it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't sure if I wanted to invite all because I didn't know how you would feel about it, but when I looked out and saw you guys there and saw how proud of you were of me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, for dad to pull me aside afterwards because he had a gift for me that he wanted me to spend on something fun because I just worked so hard like that was such a big moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, like I just, I could see that, like I just don't see anything bad about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I could start with, like I thought this was going to go poor, like I didn't know that I wanted you there, but when you were there, I realized how important it was to have you there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that makes me am.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why does that make me so emo?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is very emotional.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm trying to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: One of my friends posted that her boyfriend fell asleep during that one when they were watching it for the first time and she said, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I followed up, but, you know, men's jail different, you know, men should start in jail.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Before we move on though to, you know, moments throughout the rest of the series, I also feel like part of the reason that I would still go with help wanted over the moment at graduation is outside of, of course, like the check in the money and like the spend it on something fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is an exclusive moment between the two of them, but help want it as a whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: is more of a, like, them starting the Gilmore group and her helping him was an exclusive moment between the two of them were as, yeah, Lorelai's graduation was also made better by the fact that Emily was also there was also proud.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a parent moment, like two parents and then obviously they shared that one special moment together afterwards.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that becomes exclusive.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think like, [SPEAKER_02]: I would probably include the person that I was talking to in the moment too.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're so right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that both of them fit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd especially Emily, but like, yeah, there's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, totally agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of envelopes, one of the next moments for me that I think she could have mentioned, but would have definitely struck a nerve.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is in happy birthday baby when he takes her out to lunch and gives her the check because he had made an investment in her name when she was born I love the idea that like he was so excited to have a daughter that he made an investment in her name Like there's something so yeah about that That's but but see that's why I like the envelope even better because he's like spending it on something fun not like Invest this in something that you can like you know in 35 years from now take out and have 75 thousand dollars [SPEAKER_02]: Which feels like what he would want her to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but I love that, you know, they have this moment together where she's like, oh, I can get Jimmy choose.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are those?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shoes.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay, I really hope that you spend it on something else, but Germany, do what you want.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's your money.

[SPEAKER_02]: Someone in the question box said the sweet memory of the account he opened for her when she was born.

[SPEAKER_02]: a sweet memory for Richard and for Lorelie, but not for Emily, because she didn't know about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's something she didn't know about that like upset her.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in ended up upsetting her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that one, that one is maybe share with your friend Suki about your mother, or about your father who recently passed, who Suki would be very present during this [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's like something she would do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Suki, tell me some good memories about your father.

[SPEAKER_02]: He once gave me $75,000.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a great memory.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Were there any others, you know, from these first few seasons, that people mentioned?

[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people actually mentioned the fun flask.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, yeah, I would have to talk to Victor now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like that one's again, a hard one, because that one ended with Pendulum Law and her leaving, because her parents were mad at her.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like everything kind of has this little like haze over it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Several people that I was shocked by said about being the naked man.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, uh, is that a good memory for, for Lorelie?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's the one you want to bring up right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so either I guess like after that guy, what's his name?

[SPEAKER_01]: The one that Emily ends up kind of Jack Jackson.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was it John.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jack Smith.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he also shares like a very similar story so she could have piggybacked off of them and like yeah Learning that my dad was the naga guy in college is honestly stands out You know, it could have been funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we didn't have to necessarily been I don't know that you would have loved it Emily was looking for endearing she was looking for a nearing like you know one time I did find out my father was naked for a home on [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I don't, I don't see that as something wanting to bring up now that he's gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let that memory fade away.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally going back to the office, supplies the amount of people that the, I think my favorite thing about a question box is the way that people explain things.

[SPEAKER_02]: You called it office depot.

[SPEAKER_02]: You called it staples.

[SPEAKER_02]: You called it office max.

[SPEAKER_02]: This applies to our, and I think that that's like one of my favorite things is going through.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we're like, you're all saying the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're seeing it very differently.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, something that like started this series that a lot of people talked about was the fact that Richard and Emily paid for Chilton and I think that that's something that Honestly of all of the memories that like could have been spoken to, I just think that Laurel, I should have talked about Laurel.

[SPEAKER_02]: that like the entire like center of her world is Rory and the way that Richard loved her and the things that he did for her and that the only reason she went to children and the only reason she went to Yale and as much as I didn't want her to at the time he advocated so much for her to go to Yale and her going there was like such the right decision because she could be close to home and she could be a Yale man.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like her grandfather.

[SPEAKER_02]: Her grandfather was a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that is like...

[SPEAKER_02]: It changed her life, worry, and lower life's life for her to be able to go to Chilton.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think that, like so many people wrote that in and I like hadn't really thought about that, that like centering, worry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you took worry golfing when you didn't want to.

[SPEAKER_02]: You took on worries, school project and back in the saddle again, when you didn't want to.

[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these things like touched me because you loved her so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, yeah, I think that Laura like really understood that too, because like in Sadie Sadie when she's so mad at Richard for the way that he treated Dean, she will realize the first one to step back and be like, uh, I'm not, yeah, like far beyond for me to agree with.

[SPEAKER_02]: My dad, but he loves you, you don't want to be in this situation with him, and it leads to them reconciling of sorts.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, I think that she could have centered worry in any of the moments.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: even not that you'd want to bring where you were dropping out of Yale but the fact that where you felt like she had someone to go to that wasn't the war lie I mean she was very resentful that it was her parents but I think if you could step back and be like the fact that where you felt so comfortable coming to you and defying me that I think that she should have centered that I totally would have liked that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Someone else said when they found Grant and the jogging suit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, not Grant.

[SPEAKER_02]: Grant was not in the jogging suit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Grant and the man in the couple jogging suit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to, I think Emily would have loved that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, she would have.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I love, I do really love the moment between Laura and Richard after that.

[SPEAKER_01]: when they're just sitting there together because Emily goes upstairs to talk to grand and they do have a very endearing moment together.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do have like a laugh over it and what do they ever?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think that that could have been fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that would have been like the most endearing moment for Emily but oh she would have been so endeared that Richard was laughing at his mother.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm making fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's so true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did really, really like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, first I was like, wait, why are we happy about this?

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I like went back to that scene with it, laughing about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, oh, that actually is quite cute, but a lot of them were.

[SPEAKER_02]: This seems like from the early seasons, but as we make our way into the later seasons, until like season five, one something that really, really cracked me up, and it's like, not making fun of anyone here, but someone instead of vowel, like a vowel renewal, put vowel, like A-E-I-O-U.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so they said they're vowel renewal.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, that reminds me, A, take E to be your I-I-U.

[SPEAKER_02]: hilarious, that is so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Really got me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think that's the moment that she would share.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not the vowel renewal, the vowel renewal, because that was the vowel renewal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That ended quite poorly, didn't it?

[SPEAKER_02]: It did end quite poorly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that what Emily was really seeking during that moment was a fond memory as she says in the fight like a fond memory between a daughter and her father.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think she wanted it to be more personal to the two of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or I don't know, just like honestly anything that wasn't what she said, because if we're going to like the doll house in season six, so the setup is that Emily just like by any means necessary wants to be in contact with Laura lie and by doing so she's going to just send things to her house get rid of things and so she's telling her she's going to get rid of her doll house and if she doesn't come get it, she's going to toss it, donate it and so she's like whatever do that, but then Richard brings it over.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's to talk about Rory.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think had she brought that up to be like, okay, so my mother, she was going to throw away one of my most prized possessions from my childhood.

[SPEAKER_02]: My dollhouse.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know my mother?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right, it's you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so dad brought it over.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was just a means to talk about Rory because you guys had let her drop out of Yale.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it really was him.

[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of wanted to go along with the plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, he didn't want her to be like you anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we brought my dollhouse over so we could fix it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that could have been a really kind of like, I don't know, it's like, would we have preferred that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect stories in the revival, because both of these memories that she ends up sharing, the one about the steam trunk, and then the one in fall about going to the movies.

[SPEAKER_01]: We never saw those things, neither of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, would it have been more interesting if she had shared stories that we had seen?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's a question that I have for you to your question that we have to solve before we answer your question.

[SPEAKER_02]: that I added the beginning of this episode that I wanted to wait to ask you about.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a question, it's question's option is what we have here, too, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I gave it a jingle, maybe it'll happen again in the future.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it also sounds like like a lot of orders.

[SPEAKER_01]: D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d [SPEAKER_02]: This is much like law and order.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a procedural.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as it stands what she said in the revival.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: No good.

[SPEAKER_02]: If like we're if we're sitting there, Terran Haley are also at this funeral after party reception situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're sitting there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Lauraly says it's assembly.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are talking about it the whole right home because that was horrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Horrible?

[SPEAKER_02]: Horrifying horrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, [SPEAKER_02]: But from like a story perspective of Lorelei saying this, do you like that she said it for what it created in the story?

[SPEAKER_01]: course of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do I hate it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but based on the drama that Amy created to propel a new chapter of Gilmore Girls, which in my opinion would not be complete without some sort of conflict from the past between Ali and Laura Lie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Would you have preferred, though, if in that moment, she's sharing something and deering about her father, her father?

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's disparaging to Emily, Ola, you were going to get rid of my dollhouse and he saved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that, like, the drama that kind of ensued, because, of course, this happens in winter in the flashback scene where she says this and [SPEAKER_02]: Emily and Laura, I really get into it after everyone leaves.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have a really mean knockout dragout fight and Emily says some horrible things to Laura lie about her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Are they unfair?

[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's quite rude to say to their face.

[SPEAKER_02]: She can have this opinion to herself, but regardless, do you think it would be more interesting for it to be that she showed up and shared something about Richard?

[SPEAKER_02]: But the legacy of that is that Emily is the witch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because I think that it would have been a much more interesting journey to therapy, you know, I think the idea of like I thought we were okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought all these years, later, we had finally buried this, and we were okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had overcome it, we had overcome it, and now to learn that I'm still the villain in all of the stories you tell, even the story you tell about your father, where he brings you to her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what she said.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's kind of what she gets mad at her about, because she's still the villain.

[SPEAKER_01]: But she is also getting mad at her for disparaging her father in front of other people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you hate us that much.

[SPEAKER_01]: You hate us that much.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it would have been more interesting if she said like, you know, is the only time you're ever going to say something because she does say like, I hope that you just say something remember to say something fond of me at my funeral or something to that effect.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been interesting if she was like, is the only time you're ever going to speak highly of me when I'm gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that it's a little harder, you know, I could see it being more realistic at this juncture, you know, nine years removed from the end of the story, ten years if you wanted, you know, not count season seven, that like post ten years after Friday nights are right for fighting where they all air their grievances and for the most part.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say all this for given, but we've moved forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're moving on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Emily is buying a house for her Luke, even though they don't end up moving in.

[SPEAKER_01]: She and Richard are like making a point to start making plans for Luke to be a part of the family.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've accepted him, they encourage this relationship now at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so hard for me to believe that 10 years removed from that, Laura Lai is still going to tell a story like that about her father or her mother and more realistic for me to believe that she would tell a story that she thinks is a fond memory where she is still painting her mother in the light of maybe being a little bit of the villain or drudging up old.

[SPEAKER_01]: grievances, which I guess she does do when she talks about the seabird trunk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like she is judging up old grievances, but the defense of that is well, I was drunk.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, you you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you [SPEAKER_01]: Like, not in the sense that she would speak ill of her parents, but that she would go out of her way to be like, to tell like a bad story about her dad at his funeral.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just that that seems too far for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's I don't know that it's too far.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just like don't like if she is drunk and grieving, I think that she's just a different version of herself.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: After like 10 years after Friday and it's all right for fighting, they haven't like fixed everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's always trauma to unpack, but I actually think that it would have been a really interesting journey for her and Emily.

[SPEAKER_02]: For Emily to kind of feel like I don't want the only time, you say something good about me is to be at my funeral reception after party, you're sitting around talking about me and someone asks you, is there going to be anyone that's going to ask for a good memory of me?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is anyone going to sit here and ask for people to share things about me?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a real worry to have, and I think that that could have been born from that, because [SPEAKER_02]: I would be much more convinced that Laura Lai would get drunk, start telling a memory about her dad, be like, oh, this was because something bad happened between us.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then say something else and be like, oh, but this is because something bad happened between us, like start telling all these things, that like we've seen, that like Chase Bradford, oh, you sent me a phone a data didn't want to be on.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, Oh, the doll house.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but you were gonna throw it away.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I gave it to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I would believe that she's telling these stories of like, I have these fond memories of my dad, but all of them were because of you being horrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in some way that like was unnecessary, not horrible every time.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I would have bought that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would have bought that more than her, more than what happened because what happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did not buy it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just was like, really disappointed that I'm like, we're still here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're still here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is life, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is sometimes family trauma and drama is like, no matter how many years past, we are still in a place where like my childhood, speaking from the vantage point of [SPEAKER_01]: It still haunts me the way you treated me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it will always take the driver's seat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I really believe that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I thought, yeah, it was gonna say, I don't think that's out of character for Laura, like, it's just the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: She told her, I don't know if she was trying to be funny, or what, and it just like didn't land.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, well, definitely didn't land.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't land.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't land.

[SPEAKER_01]: But her being like, I was drunk, and I was tired, is like, yes, okay, but I think that it would have been more interesting now that we're talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: For her to be telling a story about her dad, that paints her mother in a negative light, and it brings up so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: of that old, achy stuff that's still sitting beneath the surface between the two of them, that propels us into the story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or on the flip side of that, in that moment, she was drunk.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was tired.

[SPEAKER_02]: She probably felt like a kid to lose her dad to be in his house, to be in the house.

[SPEAKER_02]: She grew up in and kind of think about those things and kind of had like a more of a journey.

[SPEAKER_02]: through her own grief, through her own understanding of why she went back to that place.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's way too much therapy for Gilmour rolls, but like yeah, so like I do think that it would have like honored Richard, but decentered him from the story because that's kind of what we have to do to move forward with Emily, despite the fact that her storyline is completely about now being the widow of [SPEAKER_02]: Richard Gilmore, but I do think that that would have been interesting, definitely would have landed them in therapy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: No question about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, what happened was clever and, you know, Amy using it as a means to get them into this, like I said, a new chapter of conflict and drama between mother and daughter, I think [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she, she did it.

[SPEAKER_01]: She accomplished what she said.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she'll.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if that's what she was going to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: She did it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the drama.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think as we've talked about this, this is actually something that I think is a little more realistic to the character.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna make sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: It also lends to like the drunken tired nature of it too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to tell a story and as I'm telling it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this isn't going so well for the person I'm telling this to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys have thoughts and feelings on that front and if you would prefer, if you're like, now I love what she said for the conflict.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Call us because we're going to have some Gilmour to consider as during the internal quote-unquote break.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we would love to hear what you guys think.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will add to this that a couple of people said from season seven when Emily and Richard sing for Rory or that Richard acknowledges that are remarkable person would inspire all of this talking about Rory's in Van Buigage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the graduation, I do love the moment when he's like, lower-lying your daughter is graduating from college, like, take your moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been something really in doing as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but the thing to that is the aim you didn't write that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't stand a chance to stand a chance in the revival.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why is a good submission in terms of if we're thinking of the relies life?

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, he's not only the most part of it, because that's the name of the game.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, every single person said, Chase Bradford, someone called him Creepy Chad, question mark.

[SPEAKER_02]: I knew exactly who you met, Bestie.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that there's like quite a few things that could have been mentioned here.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wish that we had been keeping the list of them through our time on revisited because like so many times that we save us.

[SPEAKER_02]: We set it all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I tried to search back through my notes, but like looking back on my notes for revisit it now.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was like notes that I mean knowing that was about to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like 45 minutes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a kind of thing of like it was like fresh in my memory.

[SPEAKER_02]: So looking back and like who wrote this down.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is absolutely nonsense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also, I stopped doing individual pages.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would just like, in my notes, I would take the episode that we had just talked about and I'd read edit it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have any of my past.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have like maybe season one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I made a new note for every episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: I should have done that.

[SPEAKER_02]: My note sap is just basically, Gilmour, we visited.

[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now I should have done that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the other one was when he stands up for her and Christopher returned.

[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, when he stands up for her to struggle, he comes back around and kind of like, shoves that face.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: That ends up that one's not a great form between the two of us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just scrolling through trying to see if there was any one Anyone else that submitted something someone said the meat on a stick club?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, when they were like separated.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had the meat on the stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got a stick [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you also can't mention that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I loved going to the pool house when you that guys were separated and we'd have drinks there and that doesn't seem like something good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does add to like the, yeah, bad memory, but good memory.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the one here that someone that not a lot of people mentioned was when he helped her with her insurance at the end when they caught fire.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that one was one.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was a sweet moment to care for her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again another moment like I wasn't talking to mom, but dad showed up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you didn't have to mention that part And I think maybe that's part of it is like there's these memories She has that like you don't have to mention the other part of it, but she does like I was talking to you because you had done this thing What was it?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't that time it was that time that you did that other thing we weren't talking and dad came over and he helped me because he's the favor You know, yeah, that would totally get her upside [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been really, oh, no, I want to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

[SPEAKER_01]: My gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: But on the whole, there were a lot of things that she could have said that we did see as an audience.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that at the top of the list, like you said, like, the big three are the moment in star cross lovers and other strangers when she's climbing out the window.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he lets her go.

[SPEAKER_01]: She said a frantic on her.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's proud for creepy Chad.

[SPEAKER_01]: Creepy Chad.

[SPEAKER_01]: If that works for you, I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Setting up the Gilmore group together, which I think is like just apex for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the moment in her graduation, I think which is the following episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: The three moments are like top tier.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the other one is when he sets her up with my arm strong, that's true.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things she could have said.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really put that back in her face, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't do that back in her face in how many croaks.

[SPEAKER_02]: the beginning of it's good though, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is what our caller that, you know, the voice mail that we played at the beginning of this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she was trying to get at is that like, a lot of the things the good things that he does are either painted in a negative light or followed up with something negative that accompanies them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that is the difficult part about Richard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like, with the good comes the bad advice first up.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what makes him such a nuanced and complicated character as it does with all of the characters that [SPEAKER_01]: the Paladino's wrote on this show and that's the point is that I'm the eggs are layered and I think that's what makes this show so timeless is that [SPEAKER_01]: They're all very nuanced and very layered and with the good, with the good comes about and with the flaws come the really positive attributes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that Richard Gilmour is an Emily, are both very strong examples of that on this show.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everyone is a really strong example of, I have to go to therapy because you didn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: You would have gone there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have had to have gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I do know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, do I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: my headphones are falling oh man oh wow but we do truly hope that you enjoy your time with your family you're chosen family on your own wherever you may be with him to be with if it's just a Thursday for you also cool but we hope you have a good one and next week [SPEAKER_01]: is the first day month kick off.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of birthday week.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tuesday to Tuesday is birthday week.

[SPEAKER_02]: This this time my birthday is on Wednesday.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll have my episode on December 2nd, but Tara's episode is actually on her birthday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which is really fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we will be doing the typical, you know, Gilmore Girls X Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it is not the one that you think it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the one you all think it is, because I know that the Swifties out there are just waiting for us to dissect the life of a showgirl because of course that came out very recently.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very recently.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you remember, we're having a red year this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're having a red year.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know who else had a red year?

[SPEAKER_02]: Was it 2012?

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, 2012.

[SPEAKER_02]: 2012?

[SPEAKER_02]: I was Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then we'll have more to say on that in the next episode.