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This is Unspoiled covering Supernatural season three, episode six, Red Sky at Morning.

In this episode, we've got a spooky ghost and a pirate ghost and a mysterious death.

This episode has it all.

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Don't you Frid Welcome to the show everyone.

I am Natasha, I'm Rashan.

Alrighty.

This reminded me so much of that Instagram realized that you of that float the pirate.

Flowers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so cool.

It was very pretty.

I still link to that in the chat on the live did you broadcast so that people could see?

Uh?

Yeah, I missed a live and I don't remember why.

I must have like work must.

Have been I thought you were there.

I don't think maybe you weren't.

I don't know.

I wasn't there for this one, but we've been having some like difficulties at work, so I may have been like jacked up from that.

But so I don't know what you thought of this episode, Like I generally have an idea because I watched you watch it, So what did you think?

So this is a weird one where it's like, while I'm watching it, I'm having a good time.

But I will be honest, guys.

I woke up this morning and I thought to myself, Okay, gotta go record Supernatural.

And then I was like, what episode is it?

Huh?

What episode is it?

What happened?

And I kept trying and it took me a minute before I finally remembered, Oh, there was that real handsy old lady.

And that's the part that I like that was memorable, not even like.

A little bit good old girt girt.

Yeah.

Yeah, So full disclosure, this is not an episode that I ever think about.

It doesn't stick out for me.

There's some bits that are funny, but it's it's this is like a real episode for me.

I don't hate it, but there's nothing really to love about it.

That's exactly.

I was watching it having a good time, but like immediately forgot it.

And usually when we have an episode like like that, this sort of seems like it's underwhelming at first.

It's because they're servicing the plot moving it forward, you know, and we and I don't even feel like we've got a lot of that either.

We got like some conversation about the futility of you know, killing the Crossroads demon in the last episode and the boys arguing about that but not much else.

Yeah, yeah, it felt like it was in service of getting the Burglar.

Lady back, basically an opportunity to see her.

So let me ask you this.

If that's the point of this episode, right, is to reintroduce us to Bella, the Burglar Lady, what do you in your if you were to use your your best part of your imagination, where could this potentially be leading us eventually?

She Because it's like weird that she's on the inside of the supernatural world but not a hunter.

H So I wouldn't be surprised if it was like, Oh, I was raised by a dad who was a hunter, but then he died and I had to make my way in the world, and I knew how to do this stuff, and he taught me how to sneak and snunk.

That's my past snak, snunk, snunk, snunk.

He taught me how to do that, and I was adopted by like a Faganesque sort of figure who that was like the main way that I brought value to my existence.

And so I continue to do that to this day.

Okay, Okay, that's it.

That's the best I got, all.

Right, Well, I mean it's more than the show's given us so far, so kudos to you.

There's also the fact that, like, we still have this whole weird thing with their mom's friends who and that hasn't been brought up again.

Even though I thought they were kind of like interested in that, the boys, it feels like they were interested then they completely like lost interest.

So it could be that she was like related to one of the people who died somehow, you know.

But there's just like the way that she has been brought into things.

It feels like she's meant to be something.

Okay, So I just wish I liked her better.

I liked the idea of her.

Yeah, but no, well I can't say I don't want to influence you.

What don't you like about her?

Let me see if it's the same things I don't like about her.

Well, Okay, first of all, I already said about the mouth thing, and this episode it was like happening again and.

I still didn't notice it.

I very validated that some people in the chat were like, it's all I can see anymore, not just me.

And also again with the like she's a master thief, but she doesn't do the stealing of the thing.

She steals it from them when.

They steal it.

And I just even want to see her.

Be the master thief, Like what exactly is it that your skill set is.

Because she says it's like a con man, which that would be cool if that was the way that she was presented was much more that, but it's not the way that they chose to like kind of you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, she tells Dean that she needed them as a cover, which is not entirely true because she didn't just need the cover.

He actually went in and did the stealing of the thing, Like she just needed them to cause the diversion so that she could sneak away and steal the thing.

Then that makes sense.

But yeah, no, I agree with you one d on that I'm not a huge fan of Bella.

It's not the mouth thing that I'm curious if it is.

It on like a subconscious level, And I just didn't even realize it because I didn't thock at this episode either.

When you pointed it out to me, I saw it, But I watched this whole episode and never once was like, oh, she's doing nothing with her mouth again, Like I just don't see it, but I find her.

I don't know if it's the actress or the character or a combination of the two that's just not working for me.

But I feel like she's supposed to be more than their giving.

Yeah, you know, like she's all.

Very awkward when this happens.

How they're trying to like do a thing and it's just not happening, and you're like, oh, show I get what you want, right, it's work.

Yeah, And I don't.

I can't put my finger on why exactly it doesn't work.

I don't want to blame the actress because I feel like the right.

Performance is fine.

I don't know.

Maybe that's the stamming thing, is that it's fine.

It's just fine.

It's just like not, this is not a good critique.

It wouldn't it wouldn't pass Mustard in an academic setting, but for a podcast, I think, just she's not giving, and that's all I can say.

You know, She's just I think that I was so quiet I was.

Reflecting on our tument here that I think that my critique of like we don't see her thieving is kind of like part of the bigger problem.

They don't give her enough to do.

They have her be sexy, and they have her always screw them over and be a little, you know, a little scamp.

It's very bugs bunny, very like road.

I don't like good jokeiness or you know, it just feels like I want her to be a little bit more exaggerated.

I was going to say, like, this is a role where you could kind of go over the top and it would it would work.

Yeah, like you know, like just like playing like playing it really hard, you know, like really leaning into it.

Yeah, I think too, since she knows about the supernatural world, you could have her actually doing a like little bit of a supernatural thing using magic for gain, you know, because they use magic really when they're fighting demons and stuff.

That's what they're using to counter it.

They're doing it to help people, though, So what if she figured out a way to use magic to distress people so she could steal things.

She used the tools they use to help people to somehow you know, scin the opposite, and it would be part of the fundamental conflict between them is because like this episode, it's a hand of glory, which is used for it's used by robbers.

So as soon as she says that it's a hand of glory, I'm thinking she wants that, like she's gonna want to take that.

And when she says like, oh, you'll have to burn it.

That's the only way, I was like, yeah, that's not you want the thing obviously, And it just feels like they wait too long for the part where she is on the opposite side of things from them, so and they keep behaving like oh twist, no, we know she's going to fuck them.

That's what her character is.

So the whole time they're working together, I don't ever really believe they're on the same side.

I believe working toward the same goal, but like it's it would be more interesting.

I think if she had access to some spells or abilities of some kind that it was like, you could use this for a good thing to help people, and she was just like yeah I could.

I'm not yeah, and I you know, we had them be when they first meet her and find out that she knows about the supernatural and what she's chosen to do with that is just make herself rich, and they kind of give her a lot of like, you know, tis tists, shame on you kind of.

I can't believe this is what you you know, you're doing with your life and with your knowledge.

But then they just like don't really keep that as the theme exactly.

Yeah, So yeah, I guess is they just don't go far enough with her if we're if we're gonna do this, like take it to eleven.

Yeah, otherwise it just feels like we want a hot girl because we need some eye candy for this episode to be more interesting.

You know.

Yeah, I'm surprised.

I thought for sure you were going to say that she ends up, like you know, like maybe there's a romantic thing that comes up that ends up complicating the story or know, or that she ends up because Dean is in a tuxedo in this episode, and that is the one good thing about the.

Same the way that he acts like he doesn't look.

Like he doesn't know he like, come on, come on, sir.

I need you to be so fucking for real right now.

But I was surprised that you didn't include anything like that that you're not that is that because you're just not interested in seeing it or you don't really think the show is going to bother because.

I'm not interested.

I think it's a given, Honestly, if you have a hot girl in this show that there's going to be some romantic entanglement.

But it's boring, so I didn't even mention it.

I don't care.

I think that's fair.

It's like I have come to realize I don't dislike romance period.

I just don't like romance when it feels like, well, we have to because we have two people of the opposite sex on this very heteronormative show, and so obviously that's gonna be a factor.

It's just very tedious because it's never a factor due to these people having this incredible chemistry.

It's never a factor because it actually feels like it's important to the plot.

It's a factor because we need there to be a kind of conflict that comes from this, and thus it always is associated for me with a really contrived storyline.

Okay, last question.

If she has sex with somebody, is it Dean or is it saying.

I think she is more drawn to Dean, But I could see that Sam would be like the sleeper, and that she would unexpectedly be like, oh, actually, you know, there's more to you because like, you know, Sam's acting up a little bit more he used to.

I mean, he's he's making some choices.

He's quitting his eyes a lot these days.

I feel a stank face.

Man.

That ship is so funny.

Somebody needed to coach him how to not make stang face and still look tough a handbook.

But yeah, I feel like I am seeing I would I could see it honestly, as like, well, let's make it that Dean is into her, but then Sam sleeps with her to have there be the jealousy.

It is conflict.

You know how we get to the conflict because that's where the story always is, all right, So so this episode is the premise is ghost ship, right, and which which is called Red Sky at Morning, which I don't know if anybody in a chat already gave you the background on that.

I know if you knew it already from your some of your your proximity to sailing communities and Connecticut where it is red Sky.

At Morning sailors take warning, Red Sky at Night Sailor's Delight, which, as far as I have been able to tell, this nonsense, but you know that.

Is not rooted in science.

Is telling me it's not at all.

I have seen some red mornings that were gorgeous later on in the day, and I remember thinking specifically red sky at morning, uh oh, and then waiting in nothing nothing, having that specific at the time.

Because this is it's like ingrained in me somehow from a very young age.

I was unfamiliar with this expression.

I don't think I've ever heard of it in real life, or not that I ever to know itice of that's so funny that you just grew up with it and actually thought to yourself, Oh what sky yep.

So it opens what a woman jogging at night and then she goes to drink.

What I think is the most disturbing part of this whole episode is she drinks from a public water fountain, one like the peer or something.

And I was just like, oh girl, what are you doing?

Because that's where we are in twenty twenty five.

I do drinking at a public water fountain is at no go.

Yeah.

There's a trail near us that has public water fountains, and I always stop at them because they have a little low bowl fountain for dogs, uh huh, And I always look at it and just shiver to myself.

Do you get water for the dogs from there, Yeah, but not for you.

So it's okay for the dogs.

You don't have the dog.

Cod they're probably having other things.

But uh, you know he's vaccinated it it'd be fine.

But yeah, the whole Like, later on we find out that there's like a reason behind her being targeted supposedly right, we saw at the moment, I was very much like she didn't even do anything, she just saw it.

This isn't fair.

Yeah, I really do stand by that because, like, ultimately the reason behind it is so lame.

It's so right.

It ends up and this is not made clear, but my assumption is because this first woman, whose name I think is Shila, gets targeted because it turns out she was just the driver in a terrible automobile accident where her cousin died and she survived.

Now, they don't say that she was reckless, or that she was drunk or anything like that, just that there was an accident and a car flipped over.

That does not feel like something that she should be targeted and punished for.

That's very different than the two brothers who die, who who are suspected of like killing their father.

I think mm hmm.

That's a very different thing than you know.

Yeah, And then the thing with Bella is what is it?

Is it her parents or they don't even know what they don't get They try to ask her and she's just like, that's none of your business, yep, right, And it's.

Weird because they're like, so like, oh, would you kill And I'm like, one of the people that was targeted that you know about.

It was an accident, So why are you behaving?

Is if she fucking murdered a person on purpose?

Right?

I know that's not necessarily.

True, but it does tell the audience that there's some sort of tragic something and it puts like a weird suspicion over her because even though we know, you don't And that's what feels like the show is like, the show tells you that it could have been an accident, or at least implies it could be an accident, And yet you do the thing with Bella later that's supposed to color my opinion about her, maybe, but you've already told me that she could still be innocent and be targeted.

Yes, So it didn't really do much for me.

No, it just undercuts the whole thing, Like it would be.

What I think they maybe should have done is have it be that there's an assumption that woman killed her cousin.

Maybe have it be like, oh, she we think she was drunk driving or something like that, you know where, and there be a sort of like it's a suspicion but not proven.

And so we have a bit of perhaps Bella is responsible for a death, but like a little bit indirectly, or you know, like just add in a factor that's more ambiguous.

But it seems very clearly to be a real accident, a genuine things went wrong kind of accident.

Yeah.

The way, the way, the way that Gert tells the story doesn't suggest that there's like unanswered questions.

No, you know, it's it's done in like a very this is what happened.

It was a terrible thing, and you know it's just something we've had we had to learn to live with, or it's something that Sheila's had to learn to live with, or she's never you know, gotten over the guilt of that, or you know something.

Yeah, and then we cut to this is I think so as the boys are arguing again, and the way it opens is Dean being like, so, really You're not going to say nothing, You're just gonna pretend like that happened.

I've been waiting since, you know, two towns ago for you to say the fuck you did.

Yeah, he counted the number of bullets, which it didn't occur to me, but it should have because there's a very limited number.

So yeah, you know, yeah, I do appreciate though, when he's like, so did it did it fix my deal?

Listen?

I would do you think I wouldn't have led with you out of your deal with a demon if that were like, come on.

Sir the way, And in Dean's face is like hopeful, like, but but did you do it?

You get it done?

Uh?

Tina is just like what does he say to him?

So, why did you shoot her?

If she couldn't because it wasn't like she said she she demon tell Sam I don't hold the contract, And so Deana's like, well, why did you shoot her?

Because she was a smart That was great?

I love that, So I was not that it was really really funny.

It was a good moment.

Yeah, because honestly, if that isn't low key absolutely true, like it felt like she just kept taunting him and he just sort of lost his temper.

Yeah, he was done.

Here, he was done.

You can't fucking help me.

What is the point of view?

And you're too fucking slick with your mouth?

So you know what we're done here?

Bang?

I feel like you know what?

Yes?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Now does this count as trying to uh squeltz the deal?

Are there?

Doing it without his knowledge means that it doesn't count.

So we're sticking with okay.

But you know, if if she were like, that's not the letter of the deal then or the it is the letter, but if it's like not the spirit of it.

I don't know though, if if she was the one who said I will do that if you try and now she's dead, maybe the person who holds her the contract doesn't feel like that.

This is so I think I asked you briefly last episode, but since it's uh you mentioned it now, just so quick refresh on.

Do you think we see the boss now because Sam has killed one of his workers or do you think we just get another sort of generic demons in charge of the case or do they have to like speak to the manager now.

I think that I think they'll see an upper level manager but not the CEO.

Okay, that's okay.

So they're gonna have to lodge a couple of complaints before they see the CEO, and it has to involve like the BBB or something like a real official complaint.

So they end up in this town that I don't even know how we how they find out how this gets on their radar because it just kind of cuts to them in the House of Girt and.

Like, or maybe we do and I just forgot it.

But I'll be honest, guys, I'm not going through the effort to go back and trace.

Yeah, forgot.

And so the woman Sheila dies in the shower, and we do see that.

We see her get attacked.

Somebody comes from behind and puts her in a headlock, and she meets her devise in a steamy shower and there's a whole thing where they meet her and then she just she says.

They ask her, because you know, they have to do the weird questioning that make it like not weird, So they're like, does she have anything weird happened to her?

Did she mention anything strange?

And it turns out she had mentioned that she had seen this boat, yeah, and it was there, and then it was gone, and she said it disappeared right before her eyes, and we are all just watching kind of like that's a weird thing to tell somebody that you've seen a boat.

I then thought it was weird the way she relays it to them.

Right, she does.

She just says, well, she saw a boat, and that's the way she says it.

And I'm like, she saw a fucking ghostly ship come out of the fog and then vanish.

You don't just say she saw a boat.

Well, and that's the story you're telling.

And it just kind of the way that she goes on to eventually describe it.

It's so undramatic, and I'm like, that was a very dramatic.

Weird.

Why are you like behaving like it's not you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's strange.

It's really weird because because what they're doing is that they're making a The joke is that she's saying.

They're saying to her they're weird shit, right, Like we know the boys are only in town because it's weird shit.

And then they're talking to this woman and she's relaying a story about some weird shit.

But she's not acting the way a person should act.

When they're talking about hearing some bonker shit.

But then the joke or the twist is that this woman is being so casual because she assumes they are working with her reccultist, Alex Alex.

So the woman is already hipped to the supernatural in a weird way, which is why she's being so sort of cavalier about the scot ship, which you know, because she's already in the know.

As an audience you're watching, you're just like, why is this old lady being so weird?

She saw a boat?

You know, saw a boat, ma'am.

You know that it was more than just like she didn't see somebody out, you know, for an evening.

Yeah, what do you call it?

It's not a stroll when you're on a boat.

Is it a joint when you're on a boat.

I feel like they have their own special word for that.

Cruise.

Maybe a cruise.

Maybe that's what it is.

They're not just on a night cruise, that John cruise, Chark cruise.

But so it feels like that's what they were going for, and it just kind of it is just lends itself to just a very weird interaction.

Yeah, even as you know that she's in the not it didn't It still didn't really work for me the way that she framed it.

Yeah, and there's she's talking to them like the case is closed, there's nothing else to do here, and then she's this is when she starts like manhandling Sam.

And this whole thing this is so there's a moment in the chat and I'm sorry to call you out, Austin Orminio, but he put in the chat something like, I hate to be that guy, but imagine the genders are reversed.

And I said at the time, like, we don't have to imagine because I'SO not always what it always is.

That's why it's funny is because you don't see this direction almost ever.

It's not a like it shouldn't be funny, like it shouldn't be, but it's played so goofily, and it's because it's so rare.

That's the joke.

That's why, that's why it works, That's why it can see.

Also, it's a joke because and I don't know if people want to get into this, but we're going to get into it even though we don't have time.

Because an older woman is so inherently unattractive and gross.

That's why it's a joke.

And that's what I mean.

It's like, well, this, this plot of it being like a much older man hitting on flirting with a much younger woman is a thing in so many TV shows and movies and books, and even not like as a joke, necessarily he will actually wind up as her love interest.

Yes, even though it's insane, yep so, but yeah, there's like so many I was talking about this with Marshall just yesterday.

There's this movie, I think it's Halloween Town, and you know, the it's partially set in the real regular world and partially set in this magical Halloween world.

And there's an older sister who like works at a grocery store or something in her downtime, and she's being constantly sexually harassed by her boss, who is at least twenty years older than her, and it's just part of the movie.

It's not really treated as like horrific.

It's treated as this annoying guy, you know, who, Ugh, what a headache to put up with this, But it's not like a problem the way that it should be because she's an actual teenager, right, you know, And I think about when I was I wasn't even twenty yet, and I was working at the good Speed Opera House at the time, and there was a bass player for the one of the orchestra and he was like in his late sixties and he tried to get me to come home with him after a cast party at one point, and I was literally like nineteen years old.

So yeah, yeah, that's why this is funny, because we deal with this all the fucking time, but you don't see this very often.

This version of it exactly also not for nothing.

But Girt looks damn good and she's got a beautiful head of hair.

I was running as a.

Wig another old woman who I'm like, I hope I look that good.

So we get a little bit of background that people cite this ghost ship or a ghost ship.

It appears to happen every thirty seven years.

People spot it, and then the people who claim to have seen it.

There's just a rash of people who drown, and the drownings are always like unexplained because there happening in situations where you shouldn't be able to drown.

And then Sam also gives us a lot of like some more around ghost ships and that there are apparitions, apparitions the Flying Dutchman, which I heard of, the other ones I had never heard of.

I don't have a lot of ghost ship notledge, I'm sorry.

And they are wondering who this other person as Alex is it's in town, and whether or not it's another Hunter or I think they say a player, you know?

Is that a player?

Which is a weird, you know, way to frame it, but okay.

It kind of makes sense.

But like the fact that they actually mean hunter is more confusing because I would put fella as a player where she's like in the supernatural.

World, but not exactly.

The specifically mean a hunter.

So yeah, yeah, that's the way to do that.

I agree exactly.

Like the way they say players suggested they're thinking it could be a hunter or somebody else in their world, but I don't think they're thinking that at all.

I think they mean hunter.

So why don't you just say hunter?

I think that's for us as the audience, you know.

But they stroll back to where their car should be, and the car is not there.

It's not there.

Dean does not like it when his car is not where it should be.

He gets really upset.

He starts having a panic, and then we get to reveal it's it's it's Bella.

Bella's in town and had their car towed because it was in a tolway zone.

But it wasn't.

Nope, it was when I was done with it, I didn't think that was funny.

So, yeah, so she's in town, she's working the old lady, and they want to know what her angle is and she's like, there's not.

There's just a lot of old women who believe in charms and seances.

And I thought this was funny because I do know that, especially on the Eastern Seaboard, there was a time period where it was all the rage to like have people of like families with lots of money who would like host seances and dabble in the occult and the supernatural.

So I thought it was really funny that they're playing kind of like on that.

Nope, I believe it was sort of like follow up after the Civil War and a lot of people trying to contact family members who they had lost, and then you know, eventually there's subsequent wars and it kind of has a revival after those as well.

For a minute, and you know.

Yeah, grief and yeah, right, and I know from what was that show, Penny Dreadful that have been like across the sea as well, Like there was a sort of thing in Europe and where they went through the same kind of like everybody suddenly that needs to talk to somebody who's dead, and a lot of them got scammed out of a lot of money, which I think it's funny when Richie will get scammed, So I'm gonna chuckle.

We get another weird drowning in a bathroom.

I thought for sure he was going to get attacked from behind and his head was going to get shoved into.

They are setting it up to make you think that, and I appreciated it.

I like the fact that they were like, oh you thought you really thought you right?

I want to know why is his bathtub water?

So like this is green water?

I didn't see water.

No thank you, no, no, thank you.

We're leaving the bathroom immediately.

He's spending way too much time loitering around this this area.

Yeah, he's just like I would just he's trying to pull the plug on the tub and it's not working, and he's just sort of staring and like, well what do I do?

And I was just thinking about what I would do and what I wouldn't do.

Yeah, you know, So this hand comes out of the water, he grabs him by his neck, and he's done so really fast.

Also, like his eyes get really weird and red and it's so weird, like this skin like on his forehead changes, like see all the veins and like, I'm not I think.

It's supposed to be an imitation of the hanging where you're oh, your eyes begin to bulge and you know what I mean, like that kind of effect.

I guess his cause of death for him is also drowning though right, it's not like ligature marks around his neck or anything.

No, they're really mixing things to do.

That's not funny, it's just there's so when we cut to the brother who is talking to someone off camera turned out to be Bella, and he's going through what he's been told and it doesn't make any sense.

How could he drown this way?

And the boys show up as fake police officers and rescue this grieving man from her incessant questions and I think Dean calls her a roach.

Oh yeah, no, wait, he says he apologizes for the fake reporter, And it's like they're all like roaches.

Okay, I'm thinking of something else that I watched where somebody was like, oh, they're like roaches, and I was putting that in Dean's mouth.

But now that's something.

Okay.

It's weird that the roaches get so like somebody comparison is made to them.

They are carrying feeders and also impossible to get rid of, and also gross.

They're so roasted.

Yeah, I feel part of me feels bad.

I'm just like, it's not their fault.

They exist because God decided that they should exist like those fat but also.

That is on my kid like feelings.

Cannot I can't.

I understand that there are things that are good and required for the ecosystem, and I can also want to have nothing to do with those things.

And I am not going to apologize.

I am not going to apologize.

They simply shouldn't.

I shouldn't have to interact with them.

It shouldn't be in my house.

How about that?

How about they be outside, be outside, be outside where they belong.

It's their home, this is my home.

The one exception I always make is spiders because they eat the things that I don't want in my house.

Well, that's different.

They're they're they're on our side.

I agree, But a lot of people don't feel that way.

Oh well they're wrong.

I agree, they're strongly.

So while they're interviewing the brother, the living brother, we find out that they have also seen the ship, and he has such detail.

Dean is just like, that's a lot of detail for somebody, you know, relaying a story.

And he's like, oh no, I was out there too.

Yep.

They were out night cruising.

Were they jauntily cruising?

They were jauntily cruising?

Their hats tipped, that's what it was.

Oh my god.

So now they know there's a ship in town and they got a new victim.

So we got to keep our eye on him because he's going to die, and we have to save them because that's what we do.

We're here.

Unlike you, Bella, who thinks this is funny.

Bella, she calls that man cannon fodder.

Yeah, she's just immediately like red shirt, don't care, yeap, don't waste your time, and you know what they are going to waste our time, ma'am.

It turns out because we have souls, damn it.

I'm like somebody like some people, so they try to save this man.

Spoiler alert, they do not save this man.

They fail, they fail hard, and they take it really broke by because you know they are meant to save people.

It's like, and look, you are meant to save people.

But also folks have free will, and if you didn't want to accept your help, it sucks.

But that's how that's how it goes.

And for reasons that I will never be able to explain.

Dean tries to get at her by accusing her of not getting enough hugs from daddy, which I feel like you, sir, don't want to bring up daddy to.

She throws that immediately, right, what is he thinking?

What are you?

Very much a case of every accusation is a confession, you know where it's like you thought of that because that's your problem.

That's why it was the first thing you jumped to.

Because you need therapy over this.

Yep, sir, yep.

But you don't want to have that conversation, No you don't.

And she says to him every which she should have, which is basically, did you get enough from yours?

And then she tells them you don't fucking look down on me, because you're no better than I am, which part of me is like, well, wait a minute, let's not get crazy.

Let's not let's let's get crazy like they they are better than you are.

But she accuses them of being motivated by vengeance, and so they don't get to have the moral superiority because they are acting out of vengeance and obsession.

I think that she's right about that with Dean, but not Sam.

Oh.

I think Dean that's been true for him.

That's part of why he is so much less balanced about it and was able to be influenced by somebody like Gordon.

You know, I like Gordon's the epitome of that.

M hmmm, all right, let's talk about you.

You sound so far away?

Where'd you go right here?

Oh?

Okay, you just sounded like distant.

Let me check my chure.

My mic is plugged all the way in.

So Gordon was able to influence Dean and get Dean to like lean into his let's call them his less desirable traits in a way that he wasn't able to influence Sam.

But now Sam seeing means a little bit more hardcore.

I've really hesitated to use that word in relationship to Sam at all.

It's something right, Like, we don't know what to call it yet, but there's something going on with Sam.

We don't know what it is, but he he's seems to be acting a little bit like he's shooting demons now.

So Gordon was convinced the Dean was like the Antichrist basically, you know, he's going to cause the end of the world, and we got to get him out of his misery.

Right, But that was that was before Sam.

If they were to meet up again, what do you think Gordon would think of new Sam.

Well, he already thinks that they are like responsible for opening the thing and need to be stopped and YadA YadA.

So I think he'd see new Sam and be like, see this is evidence that I'm right, or is just gonna think he's right.

This is not a guy who rethinks his position on shit.

This is a guy who any new information he gets he manages to warp into the box that he needs that to go into.

Okay, So for Sam, he would be like, yeah, see he's become more ruthless and cares less and it would be very hilarious coming from him, But he would not see the irony in that at all.

Follow up question, what does new Sam think or want to do about a situation like Gordon.

That's the thing is that I think that Sam has I'm continuing on with my theory here that Sam is giving the benefit of the doubt less, but not that he has like completely gone over an edge or anything.

Okay, I think that he is, just he was so much more hesitant in the past, and he got literally stabbed in the back over it, and so it's led to him being like less inclined to be patient and see how things work out because he knows how badly that can go.

But I don't think that he would align with Gordon either, And I think that a part of that would come from the fact that somewhere Sam knows he's different and he wouldn't want to do such a dramatic turnaround that it could be pointed at as evidence and he would know that was what it would be, you know what I mean that he would be sort of like himself away, so to speak.

But when you say it like that, it sounds like he really wants to but he has to stop himself, and I don't even think that's really true.

I think that I think if I'm gonna be honest, what I would call what has happened to Sam is he's wised up.

Sam was very frustrating for me before because I understood his bleeding heart sentiment a lot, but I also felt like, bro, sometimes you just got to take action, dude.

And I'm liking where he's going, okay, you know, but I don't like where Gordon is.

And I do think that there's a very big difference.

So I think that he would still not feel good about Gordon, and he would see how Gordon is as like a model for what he wants to avoid.

Still, do you think he has gotten Sam has gotten wise, wisened up enough to where he'd be like, Gordon has to go because he's unhinged and he's out of his mind and he's threatening us.

Yes, you think you think Sam's got it there?

Definitely?

All right?

I mean Gordon literally has tried to kill them a.

Couple of times, a couple of times, a couple of times.

I think even old Sam probably would have felt like that.

Oh you do, I think at this point now?

Yes, but this new Sam absolutely no question to me.

M all right, all right, all right, all right.

So jumping back into this episode, we we they don't save the man.

As we mentioned he the man comes out actually and challenges them and tries to escape them because he's afraid of them.

And the pirate ghost shows up in the car and I see, you know, this guy is spitting out water.

The boys run up, they get there, but it's too late.

It's very weird because like the first woman that gets killed, she's in the shower, and the second guy it's like he's by the tub.

So they make it feel like there has to be water present for the attack to happen.

With the woman and then the man.

It's like the water was around as a traveling medium for the ghost, but then this one, it's like the ghost doesn't need that after all.

Turns out he could just show up anywhere, which it touches you.

I find it irritating just because, of course the first the first victim had to be a woman, then because it was in the shower, and it's never dude who gets killed in a fucking shower.

It never is.

It's always a woman.

Is that right?

I'm trying to think now, I think you might be on to something.

Mm hmm.

I'm willing to stand by that if somebody can prove me wrong.

Fine.

Part of me is like, nah, I've seen a dude bite it in the shower before.

I know I have, but I can't think of an example off the top of my head.

But I feel like, no, I've seen it, Haven't I seen it?

Have I seen it?

One of those kind of things.

It's just like you're saying that, like, I'm sure it's out there.

But it's not common, rare.

It's always like I should be able to be able like no, to remember the times such and such, but I can't.

Of course, I'm probably the worst person for that particular type of experiment because I can never recall anything that maybe maybe it won't be as as as one hundred percent confident in that.

But but the point that you're making, I think stands.

Yeah, you know, because yeah, there might be a handful of examples.

But again, like the reversing the roles of the older woman hitting one of the much younger attractive man and being like weird and creepy about it, like, yeah, that's happened before, but it's not enough, so the work, the joke still works.

Yeah, we have a Sam who's feeling like he just can't save anybody lately, and we get Dean.

I think this is when Dean actually apologizes, or is that later in the episode when he's just like no, as much as that, it'sward the end of the episode when he tells Sam that he would do the same thing.

We don't get that until the end of the episode.

But again, this episode, there's a lot going on, but there really isn't.

Yeah, so now we need to get the boys to go to the party.

So she shows up and she enlists their help into getting this hand of glory because this will stop the killing.

Yeah.

It's a hand that belongs to a man who was hanged after Kangaroo Court on board a ship by his brother who was like the captain.

Now, Sam has been raised researching shipwrecked lore and whatnot and has got the three seven year cycle.

But she comes with, oh, yeah, because.

This guy is thirty seven years old, which I'm like, that's not really even okay.

Yeah, right, so somehow she has scooped them on research as well, right, right, she's so good that she gets the hand from them, she gets the info, you know, she gets the car toad.

But we don't see her doing any of these things.

We just have her telling us that these are things that she's done.

So it just and the whole thing was like, oh, I needed you here for my cover.

Well, if you needed them, why are you getting their car, toad and stuff?

If you are trying to ask them a favor?

If you know already where the Hand of Glory is, why don't you just go steal it?

If you like, there's just the whole way this goes doesn't really work if you think about it at all.

And even the research about like the ghost, she's here for the Hand of Glory.

So it would make sense to me that she just knows about the legend already because she is a thief who procures magical items.

Yeah, I'm sure she had all of this before she even comes the town.

Yeah, So then why does she need to talk to anybody?

Why is she at this old lady's house?

Why is she talking to the brother?

She doesn't need their first hand accounts of a ghost.

She's after the hand, which is what she's here for.

She should know where that is already.

The ghost stuff really has nothing to do with her objective if you step back, you know, so, Yeah.

It's I don't know, I think within what you just said, is what?

So she needs to get this hand right.

But she understands also the fact that like people are dying, and she doesn't seem I mean, she doesn't care that people are dying.

Right.

No, initially she doesn't care.

I won't say that she doesn't care, but she very much has an attitude of like them's the breaks.

Yeah, not like I can do anything about it, you know.

And it's hard for me to argue with because, as we see, they don't succeed.

So maybe she's not wrong.

I don't know if she's aware.

But Bella there has to be at least two deaths before the brothers are able to do anything.

Ever, I mean that those are the rules, you know.

So we have her, Dean and Sam and going to this gala at the museum where the hand is held, the hand is held.

Where Girt holds Sam's hands.

When I get real tired, I'm just gonna say.

Joke, joke, joke.

So they get to this sware and we have a very handsome Dean and a very attractive Bella.

We have a very uncomfortable Sam and a very horny Girt, and there's a bit of my my, my wife can't handle her liquor, so we need to get upstairs where the hand is held my wife.

Oh god, ten years late, more than thank god.

I don't even know what that's from.

I just know it's a thing.

Oh, I've never seen that.

It's bad, I thought.

So people loved it.

Oh yeah, I loved a lot of I was never interested and I have never seen it.

I was like, just this is gonna be fucking to pull me Intope, what is that dynamite all over again?

Yeah?

That was another one.

People hype that movie up to me so bad, and I was I put off watching it, and then I finally watched it, and I was like, this, this is what I had to hear about nonsop.

It felt like eighty years No, thank you, And.

You're Elaine with the English patient.

Oh my god, I'm listen, just all right telling people you've seen it already.

So eventually we have a mission impossible type situation where Dean has to get this hand out of this very elaborate wired alarm system situation.

He's able to do it.

It's a perfect opportunity for her to showcase her skill.

This is what she's famous for.

Right, But but yeah, and it works.

He gets the hand, they get out of there, they get back to they're going to meet and burn the hand.

But he no, he doesn't have it.

He's got a glass wrapped in velvet.

The way that he said velvet like.

Velvet.

I don't know why I love velvet.

I don't know why I said it that way.

I think about George and how much he loves velvet like all the time.

I literally just one Friday, was thinking about how much I have in common with George Constanza.

As I was eating a block of cheese and wishing I had something velvet, I was just like, I am fucking George Custanza.

As I was eating a block of cheese and wishing I had something.

I was walking through my apartment with a piece of.

Well like a you know, and you just wanted some velvet to touch while you ate your cheese.

I just was like, Oh, this cheese is so good.

I wish I had sexual thing.

There's no like it.

Even in the block of cheese made me think of Constanza.

And then thinking of Costanza made me think about how good velvet feels.

And then I was like, oh, I wish I had some velvet.

George was right, like George knows the important things that like you how to really live?

Oh man, everybody everybody doesn't do that.

You know, walk around your house thinking Stanza was right about those things.

God, that's so funny.

The things that, like, in terms of pop culture, just wedge in your brain.

Every time that I leave toast sweat on the counter, I think of Marty Crane.

Do you remember that whole fight that he has with Fraser.

Oh my god, yes, it goes the toast sweat and the sponge situation.

Yep.

Yeah, that's when they realized they can't live together without Daphne.

There there's no buffer.

We just finished our Fraser rewatch.

Now we don't know what to watch.

It's very upsetting for us.

Every time you finish a rewatch, it's always just like but but there's no there's no more of it.

It over something And Steve was like, that can't be the end.

What I hate when they start just playing another thing.

I had this happen once, and I was like in the middle of a project and it was a show that I'd never seen before, so I just thought we were starting off with a POV from a new character, and then it took like half an hour into the episode and never seeing any of my familiars.

Wait, this is an entirely different show.

Oh wait, yeah, god, that is funny because it is a real thing that has that happens to us now, and it's just like it's not a thing that would have happened before.

And then now we live in a time where yeah, that's that's something that happens now.

Where you're TV.

It's just like you're watching this now.

Yeah, you know.

And like I watch a lot of procedurals where you see the murder victim or you see like the people who find the body, and it's always somebody that you haven't seen on the show before because they're just there for that one.

So it's starting with somebody I'd never seen before.

Was nothing.

I was just rolling with that, and then after a while I.

Should have realized that since it was Nathan Fillion I was singing and he is very famous, that probably he wasn't just a one song character.

But so it rolled over to Castle, it rolled over to Rookie.

Oh god, I didn't even know he was on that.

He's like the main character.

No shit, I only know him from I mean, I don't know I know him from other shit obviously, but I know he had that show Castle that ran for a while.

That was I've never seen that one.

It's another fucking cop and non cop procedural situation, you know, you know, not a cop, those those deals.

It was one of those where I think he played a writer, like a crime writer, and that made him useful to a police officer who was a woman, because you know, it's always you know, got to be that man and a woman you know all about because you got to have that sexual tension there or why why is are we watching so boring?

It's so boring, dude, it's so boring.

Oh.

Also, I want to quickly mention that one of the funny things that happens when Dean is pretending to be with Alex as a couple is she gets interrupted by the security and she pretends that they're fucking yes, and then then the security guard bumps into Dean in the hallway.

I thought this was going to give the game away, and instead the security guards like, uh, sorry about the fact that you're cheating on you at a party, dude.

But yeah, he s just something like, you know something, thank you for taking care of her.

And he goes, she's being taken care of them, all right.

I really thought that was gonna like just give it, you know.

And once again, the fact that Dean's the one that goes and does the thieving, he would have done really well pretending that he's fucking in that room, you know.

Like this, it just feels weird that they made the choices they made here, and I think it's all supposed to be because they have to have it in their custody so that she can steal it from you know.

But again, the end isn't really worth this just it feels like they're they're more concerned with the surprise that she stole it at the end, which to me isn't a surprise at all, than they are about actually characterizing her as a full person.

And it's just not I think they have their priorities in the wrong place.

Yeah, they have set her up to just be their foil, you know, which is fine, but they haven't bothered to make her anything else.

And to be fair, we kind of get that a little bit with Gordon, where they just sort of set him up to be.

But I feel like they did a better job of fleshing out who Gorton.

Was definitely and why you don't know anything about her and they didn't bother to do anything with her except the little bit that Bobby told her, which we don't really know how much of that is even true, and it's really not much information.

Obviously.

It's because she's supposed to be a mystery up to a point and they're meant to find out about this stuff later.

And I get that, but again, it just feels like we're sacrificing character building in the moment for a future payoff, and I don't feel like.

That was the right choice now.

To be fair, you know, you don't know what's coming, and it's possible that the show will do something and you'll be like, oh, oh, okay, but that feels like a really big gamble the show is taking.

It's not one hundred necessary.

Yeah, And I would go so far as to say that you can set up somebody as a character without giving us their details of their past.

Specifically, you can give them something else and then reveal their past and have the oh because of the fact that we've gotten to know them, so now their past makes even more sense because their personality was such that these things m equate, you know.

But well that's interesting.

Do you think that there's anything that would explain why she why she uses the boys the way she does because she doesn't like to your point, she could just steal the fucking meame.

I mean, nothing that comes to mind.

It feels very the show wants it.

Just just the show wants it.

Yeah, okay, well that's fair.

I mean, I can't argue with it because it's not.

This is not a great episode, you know, so they're not.

They don't really give me anything to be like, well but what about this?

So I'm prepared to eat my words.

But just from where I'm sitting right now, it just seems like they really want it to be that that rascal stole from them again.

And it was like she literally starts the episode stealing their car.

The fact that she steals the hand is not a surprise.

I don't know how to tell you guys this, but love, we saw it coming.

Just like I'm ready to, you know, admit that I was wrong, but I'm also ready to be vindicated.

It feels like like what it.

Comes down to, as with anything, is there may be something later that some people think makes all of this work and makes sense.

That doesn't necessarily mean that I am going to agree that it makes it work and makes sense.

You know, this is a I've run into this with like some one piece characters that are on paper really compelling and interesting, but they're not executed well.

So you can say, oh, I love this character because they did this, and they did this, and they did this, and that all sounds true, but when you watch it, they don't seem dope at all.

They are frustrating and boring and cry constantly and it gets dull to watch.

So I just there are times where that can be a real disconnect between like a fandom and their like kind of opinion on a thing versus somebody coming into it for the first time, because fantoms get very up in their feelings about characters we do, you know, And I'm not mad at that because I do this also, But like it's not You can have all the elements, but if you don't deploy them, well, it doesn't matter.

You know.

There are even times where it's the opposite, where you don't have the elements, but for some reason this character is great and works really well even though the elements aren't there.

If you like, look hard, you know, but for some reason, this character just totally works.

So it's uh, there's a lot of a lot of factors.

That go into whether or not a story ultimately works.

Yeah, and whether a character feels real or compelling.

I think that I am so excited for you.

I'm so excited my goodness, that I will say, uh, well, I really don't have to tell you because you've been in enough fandoms.

So when you talk about how the fandom can be protective of a property, you know that because you've experienced it.

You know, you've participated in it, You've done it yourself, so you know how that goes.

And I know that there are going to be some not speaking about this show in particular, but just in general.

The thing that people want you to see the most, you know, that moment where people can't wait for you to get to that moment.

Yeah, and then that moment happens for you and you're just like, Okay, oh that was an episode that was the thing.

You know, like that can be.

I feel like I know from being unspoiled on so many properties, that it's not always the moment that the listeners are like, oh my, you know she didn't do the thing we thought she was going to do when it happened.

I will never forget how Blase Brendan was about the Red Wedding.

It was just not like he saw it coming a mile away.

He had been warned by so many people anybody can die, and so he just like, yeah, so they all died, figure.

Like you all told me everybody was going to anyway.

Basically like, maybe y'all shouldn't have made such a point emphasizing that nobody is safe if you wanted me to think these people were safe.

The one thing I will say specifically about this show is that it has kind of Game of Thrones has this as well, but it's not the same because it's not finished.

But there was so much book, right, even though there's there's like five books or six books or whatever, but they're all so fucking dense that there's so many moments to react to that if one doesn't land, there's always an opportunity that the next one will.

You know, And because this show Supernatural ran for so long, I don't have any like as the Spoiled Party.

There's not just one moment, right, there's a many many moments.

So I don't I feel like there's less pressure, you know, if like something doesn't land, well, there's fifteen more seasons, so there's like no pressure.

Like, I don't feel like there's like, oh, she's gotta love this or she's gonna hate the whole thing.

I'm just like, no, there's there's so much story left.

There's so much story that it feels like there's no real pressure, which I think is kind of good.

You know.

I think it might be kind of similar to because one piece goes on for eternity.

Right, Oh my god, I'm on the episode eight hundred.

Yeah, right, right, right right, So yeah, Okay.

It's funny though, because, like, just as I was having an argument about the character that I'm talking about right now, who is viv for everybody listening, and Vivi is just a perfect example of a character who's really dope on paper, but watching her is the most annoying.

I was very like, at least I don't have to deal with her again.

She pops up in the next episode.

I haven't seen her in like a year and a half at least, maybe like two years, and then all of a sudden, here I was like, are.

You Oh my god, that's amazing.

It's also like for that it's a frustration of the author because he tends to make a lot of like the main character, the women.

Main characters often are very weepy and it can get very tedious to listen to.

You know, this is not about the episode, but there are a lot of like Supernatural has a lot of like sassy women have you, you know, like a lot of they don't always live, you know, they don't always make it to the next episode.

But there's a real kind of like, you know, just sort of smart, alegy, snarky like woman, you know, and it's a thing that it's a recurring thing.

Yeah, definitely.

And I don't know if that is like of the time were we were just doing that or all of our shows.

I think it was a response to Buffy in a lot of ways.

That show just like created a template for the hyper feminine badass, you know.

And I think that's part of why I also like kind of react the way that I do, because it's so played now that when you get this master thief that you never see thief, but you definitely see her in like a ball gown, and you get a demon who just happens to be in a hot blonde body doing martial arts.

It's just very like, oh wow, that's new, you know.

And I don't think it's the fault of the show exactly.

It's just I can't help but bring the baggage that I have from media to this.

Right, And it was just sort of happening at the time.

It was just sort of and and because it felt sort of fresh when it happened twenty years ago, now we look at it and we're just like, ah, you just sort of, like you said, took a template and just but you missed like made that.

We made Buffy Buffy, Yes, you know.

Yeah, it was like Buffy's entire character is built and her bad assery is like only a fragment what makes her who she is.

And then when you have all these other characters that that's their whole thing, it's just kind of empty.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And and then you're going to do us at the service because you're not even gonna show us her being a bad ass for real, right, it's gonna gonna tell.

Us let us that she is no, I swear, I swear.

Yeah.

So eventually the ball is the Gala is over.

Sam gets out without actually having sex with Gert.

Gert does tell Sam that this is when she announces two things, one the rumor about the brothers probably being responsible for killing their father, and the car wreck that Sheila had with the cousin.

And that is the last sort of connection that's made this one.

I'm playing.

Girt is really lovely.

Her hair is gorgeous close up on her, and she is just Sam, you would be lucky.

I'm Sam.

Yeah, listen.

She's also tipsy, and I love that in a woman is tipsy really well.

I said that while I was watching Live, Like she does just enough and isn't too exaggerated to make it be like, oh, we get it.

You're drawn like she is.

Just sloppy, just a little wobbly.

Even the way she's holding her champagne glass when they're dancing and it's kind of upside down dangling in her hand.

That's just a small detail.

But yeah, it just I don't know, it's just really I really enjoyed her.

And then Stein comes over and looks at Sam and says, you stink of sex.

That you stink of sex fucking cracked me up.

Oh my god, that got me.

I don't know why it's so funny, but I'm glad to hear it got you too.

The thing of all people, and how inaccurate it is in terms of what happened, but how it probably is true because this woman has pheromones I imagine that are very strong.

So I would not be surprised if she causes people to stink of sex, even when there was no sex that took place, because it's just that intense.

Oh, let me be a girt, Let me vehicir.

I also like the money too, I'm gonna just throw that in.

Yeah.

Right.

So this is when they realize that they've been bamboozled.

All he's got is sucking glass wear in his pocket, and Bella has made off with the goods once again.

And we're supposed to be shocked because we didn't see this coming because we're all idiots.

We cut to her.

We don't see her sell it.

We just see her with a pocketbook filled with cash, and she's in her car.

She's very smug and satisfied, and then she sees the ship done done due yep.

So now, much like with the Rabbit's foot, it becomes a matter of self preservation, which is apparently the only thing that motivates her to ever do the right thing, which again, I mean, I guess that's fine.

I don't I don't mind that about her, you know.

But it's very very funny to me too that she winds up like paying them, and she pays them ten grand and I was like, that's it.

That's why you think your life is worse.

Come on, But yeah, her seeing the ship was a fun twist that I didn't anticipate.

So I like that, okay, And uh I I was disappointed in the boys and how accusatory they are with her, because it just seemed to me, like, you guys just learned that it doesn't have to be the way that you're talking about it.

So yeah, I love that Sam points out that she in fact did not get one over on us.

She got one over or on Dean Dean on My fool of a book.

I really really enjoyed that, yep, because it's like not even necessary, but it is factual.

It's you know, it's it's once you uh, it wasn't me.

She didn't fool me.

You.

So she comes in and.

It's really just trying to advoicate some responsibility.

He really is he does not like the fact that she has made him look a fool more than once now and she's got the story she needed to cover.

They were convenient, she had a buyer already.

They're like, we'll just go buy it back then, and you can't because he's already halfway across the ocean, and she has to admit that she's seen this ship, and they are just like, oh.

Really, it's just yeah, it just goes on a.

Bit when I didn't think my opinion could get any lower.

Yeah, And then this is when you talk about them being very sort of self righteous and accusatory, and she tells them it's sent her their fucking business and you don't know me, She's right.

I I couldn't help but laugh at how they're all just like, oh, it could like there's nothing else to be done.

And then Sam is just like unless maybe there is, and he just comes out like so suddenly with a with a an alternative in a way that felt like, why didn't you just say this earlier, dude?

Like it just felt weird.

There's this like obvious drama that they're putting in here.

This this so let me ask you this moment, This moment is happening, right, is really bus Dean telling Bella as she could fuck off.

Basically there you call it a serial killers, your immoral, your thief deserve this?

Oh yeah, your baby.

Yeah.

And the whole time they're having this back and forth, Sam is listening and watching, but he's making a bunch of Sam faces, right, you could tell, who's already thinking about what his brother is saying and not really agreeing with it, because he's like, Sam, let's go, and Sam doesn't really like get up to go.

Sam is still just sitting there or standing there.

And then he asked Bella like what did you do?

Almost like tell me something that will absolve you so that I can then say hey, I can help you.

As she still refuses, she says, you wouldn't understand, and then Sam takes the heaviest of Sam's size and it's like, well, actually, there is this other thing we can do, and then you know.

So it's so it's suggesting that Sam is really conflicted about whether or not they should save her, and it's looking for an excuse to save her.

She won't give it, and then he decides to save her anyway, which is a very Sam, especially especially the old Sam, very old Sam Sam thing to do.

This is why I think it's the more that he's wised up.

I don't think he's changed fundamentally, okay, I think that there's just a part of him that.

Is less right, patient, less, less willing to take the risk.

There it is willing to take the risk.

Is it is it worth it?

I'm not going to put us in too much harm if this person isn't like worth saving.

But then when he doesn't get the out to her confession or whatever he thinks she's going to say that will explain why she got targeted by the ship.

He does it anyway, He does it anyway.

He doesn't know what I'm saying.

He really isn't changed.

H m hmm.

So now we're at the cemetery and it's all.

Definitely the same cemetery as the finale of the previous season.

Girl, Listen, see I'm looking so hard.

Don't be looking so hard.

Stop looking at this set so hard.

It's not a criticism, it's just funny.

Next time, they're going to arrange the stones a little bit differently, and they're going to beg you not to notice.

That's definitely what has happened here is that they've arranged things differently.

They're filming from a different angle, but it's just definitely.

The same place.

Right.

So things get blue meat, there's a full moon, it starts to rain, it starts to pour raining.

Sam is chanting and then uh, I think the pirate GHEs appears first and he tosses Dean aside, which is just poor Dean's head.

It gets smash against a wall or something.

Good thing so thick, I'm so glad it's not his face his face.

Did anything happen to us face?

The Seinfeld references this episode.

And they're not even all coming from me.

So the ghost has got a bella in his grasp.

Uh Dean.

Sam is still reading And it's funny because we don't know exactly what the point is.

We know this is like because when we find out Sam has a plan, there's another option, but they don't tell us what it is.

Yeah, so he's doing this chance.

We've seen him do exorcism before, but this isn't really like an exorcism type of situation.

So were you wondering what he was doing, like what the end result was going to be with you surprise that it turned out to be what it was.

Yeah, I'm not.

I like, I'm not really sure that if I buy it as because like it's basically he wants to take vengeance on his brothers to let me summon his brother's ghost that they can have like a ghost duke them out, you know, which, like, yes, it just feels a little silly to me, but it's fine.

It just it's you know, this is the this episode isn't super memorable because a lot of the things are just it's fine.

I guess, yeah, you know, I think I'm so sorry.

I'm just watching like the brother ghosts.

It's like, I'm sorry, and the other brother is just like I could give a fuck.

Yeah, that's sorry stuff, You're sorry.

I still don't know what that means.

He said.

It means.

You still say that to this day and I still don't know what that means anything.

He'll say something to me like I need to do something around the house or whatever.

I didn't do something around the house that I said I was going to do where I meant to do, and I just like, I'm sorry.

I still don't know what.

So they save Bella.

She gives them ten grand in nice bills.

So with the band around it, and she feels very much like I am better than you.

You did a job, I'm paying for you, so I don't because I'm not going to be indebted to you, which I to your point earlier.

The fact that she thinks of ten thousand dollars is enough is wild work, but okay.

Theme says that she is very damaged, that her whole way of thinking is damaged, and she says takes one to know one again.

He just keeps setting himself up.

He really does, like you really don't.

His approach to her, he.

It's revealing, it's revealing.

Yes, yes, And Sam tries to say, you know, we don't know where his money has been, meaning like we maybe we should be careful about accepting cash.

If it could be cursed, it could you know what comes with it.

It could just be traceable.

It could be traceable.

It could be you know, just going out spending cash and somebody gave you could be very dangerous, especially if it's all sequential like that it's all in bands.

But Dean is unconcerned, and they are making a beeline to Atlantic City and he is so excited, and this is when he apologizes to say him about basically just saying, hey, I understand what you did, I understand why you did it, and I had fucking if it was I would do the same fucking thing.

And he says, I'm not blind.

I see what you're going through with this whole deal.

And he says something really fucked up, like but after I die, you're gonna be all right anyway.

You're like, you're gonna have a life, You'll get to live, and I don't know what you think.

I uh, I'll be honest.

Even though I don't agree with him, I was just glad that he was actually saying the words, because I assumed this was how he felt.

And it's overdue that they actually have a conversation, you know, and that he apologizes and the apology, like Sam takes issue with of like you're still apologizing like in a way that centers me and being worried about me.

I want you to give a fuck that you are going to die, dude, ye and it's simply not going to happen.

Just says, I'm thinking about playing craps and that's the end.

And I was just like, ah, dean, nothing else to say for you, Sam says, and yeah, that's it.

That's how it ends.

Well, Sam makes a face, It makes a it makes a face.

Yeah, it's not this isn't really the sanky faces.

It's an exasperated thanky face.

It's it's the face, but it's a different motivation for the face.

This is not a this is this is what I can't fucking deal with.

You do face, and then we hit the credits.

But it's not really the end.

Wait, it's not the credits.

Oh, it did a it did a quick role.

Good, I'm glad you stopped at the credits.

That would have been very dangerous.

It does a quick auto play, but it doesn't do it the way it normally does.

Usually it is a whole thing before it rolls to the next episode, where you get a whole like this.

This didn't.

So it wasn't something I was supposed to say.

No, no, no, no, oh okay.

It's very very tricky though.

I'm glad you stopped soon as the credits happened.

Yeah, it was like it wasn't like a post credit.

Well, it's very much giving post credit, but the ID says the next episode with the next episode's name.

So like, So it's a it's a like next time on.

It's a it's a weird thing, like I can't even like I'm looking at my queue now, right, And even though I watched into the next episode, you know how to give you a little red bar, did you started an episode?

It doesn't have that, but while it was playing, it said it was episode seven with the episode's name, So I don't know if you supposed to watch that or not, but I'm glad you didn't.

I'm glad you didn't watch it.

Okay, Yeah, nobody in the chat like raised any alarm, so.

No, no, it's good that you didn't watch it.

And it's super weird because.

I feel like somebody warned me about how in upcoming seasons there would be a preview for the next episode.

Apologies, I can't remember who it was.

It might have been close, but this is ringing it back.

And this is again another thing that one Piece does where I have to really like back off from, like at the end, I have to keep on top of right when.

It says, yeah, get out, get out now yea.

Even the titles of that show can give things away.

So there's like a title card that starts the episode, and I have to be kind of careful to like not look at the screen when it's up and go no no no no no no no no no no by the narrator, because it'll be like Loofy shot to death next time on one piece and it'll just you know what, Why did you just say it?

Why did you tell me it's very difficult to be out here in these unspoiled streets.

They did not make it easy.

Yeah, my god, this next episode, girl, I wish you could watch it right now.

I do.

I wish you could watch it.

Write this minute, like just move up to live.

Well, not this minute because I have to go to work, but like sometime today.

You know it is about to be my birthday week.

We could change the rules.

You could change the rules.

You could do it.

This is your whole shit.

You can do whatever you want to do.

I can do it ever, I feel.

Like everything anything.

I'm just saying, when you decide to watch it, make sure you let me know absolutely.

All right.

Well, I just realized that I should have been getting ready with my new patron names.

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It's wild how good it is, and I have never seen in such a fun time and he is just as hot as ever.

It's insane.

I like, I wish he was in it more.

And it also features the actor whose name I'm forgetting, but he was killed very young by this weird freak accident where he was by his car against.

The Yeah, the kid, the kid that played check Off in the Start in the Star Trek movies.

Yeah, and he's great.

He was.

He was really What a shame, what a weird thing to have happened too.

It's one of those things that it's like that would be something that the boys would zero went on and be like he got killed by a mailbox.

Definitely a emon involved.

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Yeah, they sure don't.

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Ye, and the fact that no, I'm not even going to get into it, you know where I'm going.

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I might start hanging out for the noon noon Friday my time.

Yeah, so that's one oot my time.

Okay, So that's before I go to work, and I'm gonna start trying to catch up with you guys because I really want to hear what he has to say about the show.

It's been really really fun to cover.

I've been having such a good time.

The episode before this, last one that we covered was the one where Bill turns Lorena's head all the way around, and Miles was like deeply discussed by this, genuinely don't know if I could keep watching if we were doing it for the show, because that fucked me up.

Didn't like it.

I'm so like inured to it that for me, it's just a funny little joke that's in memes now.

But he was reacting to it much more sanely.

I will say that you can't.

You can't watch the whole series and come out sane.

No, Like he's like, by the time he gets the end of the series, you're just like, Okay, that was nothing comparison.

We hit it up.

So I cannot wait for tiy the weather when we get to that.

Oh he's gonna he's I kind of want to live watch that with him.

We'll see if I can pull that off.

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It's like me and Rashaan where it's inevitable politics is going to be brought into things.

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