This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.

This is Unspoiled covering Supernatural Season three, episode three, Bad Day at Black Rock.

In this episode, yet again, John Winchester proves to be keeping secrets from the Suns, and the secrets are real weird.

We've got a rabbit's foot, and I'm so glad Dean's on the show and does everything I would also have done.

Welcome to Unspoiled to Welcome to the show everyone.

I am Natasha, I'm Rashan.

Yeah, this episode was super fun.

I'm sad sorry that you couldn't make it to the live because I was having strong reactions.

Oh and I think you would have enjoyed it, but you can watch it later.

Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed.

This is a fun episode.

I mean, there's some dark stuff brewing that you know we are going to be concerned about, sure, but this episode is a lot of fun and Dean being all of us with like immediately going for scratch off tickets like yes, yes, please, yep.

And the worst part of this whole episode was not the guy getting impaled by the big fok, it was her absconding scratch off tickets.

Sean when you watch that live.

I am scoot him while she's taking them because it's like very obvious watching that that's what's happening.

And I'm just like deep, deep, Dan, she's taking him, don't do something And no, no, Deane didn't notice.

He did so sad and yeah, it just it really stung.

Yeah, that sucked.

This is the sort of thing that used to get me so bad when I was younger.

Whenever there was like an episode of TV where there's a wintering winning lottery ticket and then they lose it, and that was such a trope in the nineties.

For some reason, he was, Yeah, so now we've got to go dumpster diving and we think we found it, but actually I had the numbers wrong, or we did find it, but then the dog jumps.

Up and eats it, or or the I play every day, but for some reason something happened and I didn't play this one time and then my number hit Like that was also a big, big thing.

It was always so upsetting to me that we had we were on the verge of the lottery and never we're saying to win same and then Roseanne, they win and they're allowed to win.

Yeah, and it ruined everything sucked after it, and I was like, oh, that's why we don't do that.

It just makes everybody like not relatable anymore.

I see.

Yep, it was really interesting to like get older and finally get my wish and then it be a very monkey's paw sort of situation.

That has always been like really triggering for me.

Is a kid watching TV when they when the struggling family that you love.

Comes really close up to yeah, and then it flitters away.

That was always so upsetting to me as a kid.

I would get so so upset by agree.

And I guess it doesn't take like a master's degree to understand what's going on there.

Yeah, real mystery, right, I wouldn't understand is why, But it's just this weird thing that would happen.

Us why I was upset about people not getting to safety.

So okay, let's let's start this one off Bad Day at Blackrock.

It's a sort of interesting thing because these episodes tend to be sort of puns, and I don't know this one.

You know what's Bad Day at Blackrock?

Is this referencing something it feels like it is and then I'm just missing it?

You know what I'm saying, it's not anything that I am aware of.

Okay, if it is, let's see, I will let you know.

Let's see if I can find anything.

Okay, it's not a big deal.

It's funny.

Somebody out there will probably put it in the old discord if there is something.

There's an old film called Bad Day at Black Rock, which is a into the old Wikipedia is a nineteen fifty five Oh my god, dude, I know you need money, but like not right now.

Oh my god, a nineteen fifty five western.

The film is a crime drama set in nineteen forty five.

The plot a one arm stranger comes to a small desert town and uncovers an evil secret that has corrupted the entire community.

Hmmm.

Sounds fun, and that's what that says.

So maybe if I dig into it a little bit more, maybe there's a con going on.

Maybe there's a thief in the movie.

Okay, but that's what that is.

So so.

Going skipping the recap, which is what I've been doing.

Uh.

Episode starts out with a guy visiting some in prison, and you see the guy like through the grating as they give him what do they call it?

The search with the wand you know what I mean, where they're like detecting what's that called.

I don't know.

Anyway, I thought briefly that this guy was Dean, just for like a split second, and I was like, wait, were we in jail again, guys?

But no, this is some dude we've never met before who is unwell.

And Gordon, it turns out, is the person he's visiting, and.

We were just wondering what he's been getting up to.

I was, I was, I was, and Gordon is on his bullshit again again.

I can never got off it.

That's fair, look, I'm saying again, because he had been put somewhere he couldn't make any trouble, but evidently that didn't last.

So now here he is telling this dude that the Winchesters are the problem, that Sam needs to be killed, and he just straight up says this shit on like a phone that records things very much.

We are just suspending reality, right, Yeah, we're just going to pretend like you cannot put a hit out on somebody and also say we need to get me out of here.

Yeah, get me out of here so that I can kill this guy I really want to kill.

And then and what's so funny is that, like both times this guy goes and talks to him, he says, Sam Winchester must die and then just hangs up.

And I was just like, Gordon, you know what, You're such a fucking drama queen dude already.

But yeah, this whole thing is this guy like trying to tell him.

Everybody says that they did what they could, just stop it, that they closed it again.

You know, he's reporting apparently what the majority of people seem to believe, which is really reassuring for me because you know, I was feeling a way in our first episode about this fucking blaming them for everything, and it appears that's not really like the consensus.

But you know, there is an Asian out there.

We know now there is poisoning people.

It's it doesn't really takes a lot to get this guy on his side.

Yeah, it's like, well, it does take a lot in a way, but it's so bizarre that also, I can't really blame him for believing what he believes by the end of this, because that sit looked insane from his POV.

Everything that happens feels like there is no explanation except that he stepped in and did stuff, so I'm like, ah.

By the end of the episode, yes, but I mean just the first conversation with Gordon, where Gordon is like, you need to go guy, Gordon is basically like, look, I told you six months ago that there was a war coming, and now look, so I'm infallible at this point.

You have to do what I say.

Yeah.

He's like kind of doubting it initially and then gets one over and when we see him talking to this other dude, is pretty much like, that man saved my life so many times and has been right so many times that I basically owe it to him to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and believe, and then gets one over in his own right where he's truly buying it, and in a moment that I find very funny because at the end when he's talking to Gordon, it seems to me Gordon realizes that he has somebody on his side, but that man is not well.

There's a whole like, all right, I guess I see what we're gonna have to deal with with you.

But I will keep you close because definitely, but you are you, my friend, are not well?

There's something wrong here, and it's like you are not.

Well, yeah, I want so much for somebody to be like, yes, see, Gordon, the only guy who agrees is this man acting like this.

Don't you think that says something overall about like where you're saying, Yeah, you know, I feel like you should really take a look at that.

What this is the same thing that we want to say to like the Republican Party, look at who else is on your side and just reflect.

On that a bit.

Let me think it through.

Just think about that.

So then we go to the Boys and it's an argument between Sam and Dean about Ruby the Demon.

I was very relieved that Sam tells Dean about this, because I wasn't really sure if he would.

I would understand if he didn't, I wouldn't think it was a good idea, right, but I would really get why he wasn't, you know.

So I'm kind of I'm glad he did it.

It's definitely a kind of storyline where they could have had him keep it a secret and then turn that into the drama, but they decide to have Sam just be up front with it instead.

At this point, Yeah, so I was a little relieved, like, oh, Okay, we're gonna do the story a little bit differently than what I was expecting, because I fully expected that to be like something that Sam doesn't fess up to right away.

So I remember being like, oh shit, all right, we're just going to do it then.

Okay.

So basically, Dean is of the opinion she's a demon.

You should have just killed her.

I can't believe you're listening to this bullshit.

And Sam says, but she said that she could help us, and it's like, give me a fucking break.

Help with what?

And Sam says, help you with your deal?

And I was very much don't say it out loud, Sam, Now this might be unreasonable, but like I really don't know what the demon know about and what they don't, so just don't say it.

Just talking about it like the car could be bugged, genuinely, we don't know, you know, it could be we we don't know how we noticed.

She says, she's keeping a very close eye on them, but we have no idea what that looks like in real time.

So yeah, your instinct there.

I'm gonna say, fair Martin, thank you.

I appreciate it.

So let's see.

Then he gets a call and it's actually their dad's phone ringing in the glove box that Dean keeps charged up in case one of Dad's contexts tries to get in touch with them, which is, I think a really good idea.

I want to just pause for a second before we go to the phone call and talk a little bit about Sam's.

Logic.

One Ruby.

Gauzine is very much like, of course she would say that that she could help save me.

That's like your argula, right, like, of course.

That's what she's going.

How good you fall for that?

And Sam says in response that no, I'm not talking about trusting her.

I'm talking about using her.

She, you know, seems to have more information than we have, because we don't have any information.

What do you think about Sam thinking that he can use a demon?

This is?

Isn't this also when Dean just goes, are you feeling all right, buddy?

Something like that, because like it's just so mercenary, an attitude that we don't really see from Sam often, but I personally, because I don't know what demons are capable of, and not the idea that you can use one, I don't think it's out of the question that it can be done for the record, but I don't think our boys know nearly enough to be able to do it.

They only just have learned a lot of things about demons very recently.

I'm sorry, kids, but you are not in the position when you do something like this.

You have got to really have all the knowledge and have mastered that and then you can play with it.

But if you don't have it, I'm so sorry.

There's no way.

There's no way.

You are just setting yourself up to be fucked in the ass at some point.

So I get what he's saying, and I don't think it's impossible, but I sure don't think it's possible for him.

So is this Hubris words Hubris?

Yes?

I don't think it's so much Hubris as dishonesty.

I think that he just wants to say this to convince Dean to give Ruby a chance, because he thinks it sort of appeals to Dean and that it's not really true to the way that he would behave interesting.

I just don't he's trying to in this moment.

His priority is trying to convince Dean to listen to his idea, and so that feels like what the priority is for me, is just calming Dean down from being pissed off right now and getting him on his side, and so it Yeah, for me, it's like I think it's wishful thinking, and I think that he isn't.

I don't think he even really believes it.

I think he's just saying what he needs to to get Dean to calm the fuck down.

Okay, all right, So it's just my.

Interpretation though, Like it's perfectly possible that he really does believe it, and that he's, you know, undergone such a personality shift that he really fully has brought into this idea that he's telling himself, which I still think would be born out of wishful thinking.

But there's different kinds of you know, like wishful thinking comes in many forms, That's true.

That's something we don't actually have enough space to Yeah, but you're right, it does come in many forms.

All right, Well, I just wanted to check in on where you think Sam is in this, like what what he really believes.

And this is mostly about convincing Dean to work with Ruby and trying to convince him that they can be in control of it of the situation, whether or not Sam actually truly believes that.

Okay, so the phone rings right and it is that you're right, and they get a call that their storage locker has been burgled.

Burgled what a weird word, and I never get to use it.

Yeah, this is the wildest storage facility I have ever seen.

It's gonna had an elevator.

This thing is like in an old mine shaft or something.

I don't know what the fuck this setup is.

But they go like down into a basement area and the storage area itself is like multiple rooms as well.

It's huge.

It's huge.

I don't understand what this is.

Storage department compartments.

I mean they at best, maybe if you get a huge one, it looks like a garage, one big square room.

Usually they're much much smaller than that.

This thing had like nooks and crannies and all kinds of infrastructure that were showed eves and shit.

The energy that I'm very much getting is this is not copasetic.

This place is run by a fucking front that very much turns a blind eye, like because they're like, oh, yeah, somebody broke in, and we know that because it's like the door was hanging open and we saw that it was full of weapons and like landmines and shit.

But just close the bad of our business.

It's fine.

We're very used to such contents.

We value a privacy of our customers exactly exactly.

It's just such a strange reaction that I was like, all right, yeah, there's something not right about this place.

I love the idea of front businesses, just.

Like I'm obsessed with the theory that Mattress Firm is a giant front.

I just had all thing like, yeah, look, we Marshall and I bought a purple mattress from Mattress Firm several years ago now, and the experience that we had was so fucking weird that I can't explain it other than that has to be au front.

Like the snow rise and they asked you soda mattress.

They didn't know how to do it.

It was like they had no idea what to do.

Now that we had paid the money for it, they were supposed to deliver it, and they were trying to pull back on that, saying we had to go and get it and like all of the shit.

And I finally tweeted at them, and it was a whole thing where we were like getting a discount because it was a used mattress that had gone through this like intense uvy like system that's supposed to sanitize it, but you get like one thousand dollars off.

It was significant and we were like, all right, well let's do that, and then all of this shit happened.

They tried to basically back out of delivery, and I tweeted at them, and within like three hours of tweeting at them, they came back at me with what's your dress.

We're sending it today and it's a new one for not even they can do the old one.

You're getting a brand new one in packaging.

And I was perfectly satisfied obviously with it.

But it was just a weird, Like I called the actual place we purchased it from like six times and I could not get anybody to give me a straight answer, and then on Twitter it solved in two seconds.

It's just weird.

And then they closed like a year later and the place is empty and it's going to be a spirit Halloween.

Probably you bought one, like what it feels like.

And there's there's a story that circulates sometimes on social media, a posts from Tumblr where it's a woman talking about this time that she I say, a woman, I actually don't know that, but it's a person who had gone to a restaurant that it was like an Italian place.

Them and their friend just went in and sat down and it took a really long time for anybody to like acknowledge them.

But there were dudes coming in the door and going straight to the back, and at the time they weren't putting it together.

And now looking back, this person's like it obviously it was a front, but we didn't know that.

We just came in and that this like old Italian woman comes out of the back and is just really friendly and sweet, asks them what they want and says that they don't really have a menu, but just tell me what you're in the mood for and then bring this these incredible dishes out and this person is like, this is one of the best meals of my life, I swear to God.

And then at the end, when they're like waiting for the bill, the old woman just comes out and says, Oh, don't worry about paying for everything.

It's just a pleasure for me to cook for you and have people enjoy my food.

And this so on their way without even charging them anything.

And at the time they were just fucking mystified.

I didn't like, why is this happening?

But now they're like, obviously, anybody fucking goes in there.

And we sat down and waited twenty minutes while somebody like emergency dialed their nonah and we're just like, can you come in real quick?

We got somebody anyway, it feels.

Very filly codd to me for some reason.

I wonder where that happens.

I'm thinking Brooklyn probably, but you know, but it feels very filly to me.

I don't know why.

So, yeah, they go in and there's like a fucking puddle of blood on the floor as well.

Booby trapped.

Yeah, it's it's not as booby trapped as I thought, because like they discover this one booby trap and they just sort of step over it and saunter on in and I would have been very paranoid.

There's a second round, because if I'm John Winchester, I'm definitely putting multiple absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, but uh, they quickly begin to realize like, Okay, Dad had a whole thing here that we didn't know about, and I can't help but be so like, why wouldn't you tell them about all of these supplies?

This is expensive equipment that they could put to good use.

YEP.

I love his reaction.

It's just sort of a like tired exasperation because like m hm, dad and his fucking secrets.

Yeah, this man, like did we even know him?

Do we even know him?

Is his name even John Winchester at this point is our last name?

Even in Chester?

Who am I?

What is this swear?

Am I?

I just want to mention he skipped a part where Kubrick, who's the Hunter, goes to visit Wardon.

I keep forgetting His name is Cooper Goos really like calm down.

He's in his RV with his partner explaining the job.

And this is when he talks about like Gordon saved my ass a bunch of times.

I try to blah blah blah blah.

But the guy, his partner, is looking around at r V and he starts playing with his little Jesus.

And it is a weird Jesus.

I don't know what this thing is.

Is it like a plushy?

Is it an astray?

I don't know what this is.

It's like made out of what looks like ceramic.

It looks like ceramic to me, but it appears and it's concave, yeah, like an ast a kid.

Look like something a kid would make a camp.

Yeah, you know.

But don't play with my Jesus is something I used to say, he.

Don't play with my Jesus.

It's just probably solid advice in general.

I do find it funny the way that this guy is looking at it like it's the most fascinating thing, because it's like a little weird, but it's not so compelling the way he's like, oh, from side to side, this this weird artifact, what could it mean?

He's in an anthropology site or something.

It looks almost like it's like thick enough to have something inside it, Like, you know, I could see this being filled with somebody's ashes.

Oh it didn't.

It looked more shallow than that.

To me.

It's you could fit ashes and real small stuff.

But it's at least like half an inch thick at its thickest point.

I guess it's like an as straight to me.

But it's sitting up.

It's got like a stand.

Yeah, like it but like if you laid it flat on its back, the concaves would come up around the edges of the circle a little bit.

Yeah, and that's like if you lay it flat on its back.

That's what it looks like to me.

Like it's too curved to be like a coaster or something like that, you know.

I mean, I guess you could put a cup in it, but usually absolutely not.

No.

Nothing could not hold a cup, No way, it would not.

No.

No.

I don't think it's even wide enough for the base of most cups to fit inside it.

But he's fascinated by it, and I like to think it is I don't know.

And it didn't pop up.

It didn't pop up on the screen when he was talking, which was weird because sometimes it'll do that and then like it'll say the name one time, and did not do it for the rest of the episode.

But I think it is his his fascination.

It's kind of like, not so much that the piece itself was interesting, but remember when Elaine finds out Putty is listening to Christian music, and it's just literally.

Is such a freak.

I swear to god, I didn't appreciate it when I first watched that show, but when I rewatched it, it's just like, what is this dude?

He is a Bonker's character, Like somebody like that in real life would be like what what?

But so that's what that's the energy I got from the way he's looking this thing.

It's just kind of like when you find out somebody that you kind of know has a side to them.

That you were unaware of.

You're just like, yeah, like oh you're Oh, you're the kind of guy that has this, which I.

Really want to know how you are at all?

Like how are you acquaintances with this man?

And don't know this because it feels like he's pretty intensible.

Gordon doesn't seem to be.

Gordon seems to be a little surprised as well.

Yeah, I guess that's True's just so I don't expect him to notice anything about anybody unless it's threatening, right.

This guy Cobrick also has like bumper stickers.

When his bumperstickers says how would Jesus drive or something like.

That, I didn't see that.

It's hysterical and.

This is me I'm gonna put I'm doing too much now because this is not in the script, but it's giving born again.

It's giving Oh something happened to you since last time I saw you, and now you're you're over here.

Now this is your entire personality.

Yeah yeah, oh I'm familiar for Sean.

Oh I sure, I am.

So.

I keep warning Steve, like I said, as I get older, don't be surprised if I just decided to announce one day, I've accepted Jesus is my Lord and Savior.

I found him, you hear me.

He was in the garbage displaces.

I don't know what people do with putting him down there all the time.

Oh my god, that's like that fucking one of the Vonaget books.

I think it's slapstick.

Has a cult in it, and uh the cult.

One of the things you have to do is you're always looking to your left and to your right because you're always looking for Jesus, like the idea that he's like going to show up any second.

Okay, So they just like they walk around and they're constantly looking from left to right because you know, like if you if you fucking blink, you might miss him.

Concept but their name is like the perpetually seeking something or the others.

I forget what they call themselves.

And then their little symbol is like a little two headed Christ figure with like looking to one head looking to the left, of one head looking to the right.

I love that it's Christ looking now, like he's the guy that you're looking.

Why he need be looking, He's the one.

What sound very confusing.

But so yeah, so that's my take.

One, that's my take on.

Kubrick and the Jesus trinket for lack of a better word.

And then we have the boys going to the storage.

Yeah, and oh my god, this elevator you guys, I'm saying shaft.

Yes, see what I'm saying crazy, It's real weird.

It's just a weird setup.

The uh, the building itself is just like this block concrete, like nondescript building, like four or five stories high, with.

Like all these dark windows.

And then they go inside this fucking thing and go down the elevator and then yeah, there's cars and shit.

It's like it's not just the basement, it's like a parking garage.

Yeah, it's really strange.

I don't know why this is set up this way, like why the show made this choice, because I've never seen a storage facility that bears any resemblance to this whatsoever.

So my assumption that this is shady as fuck.

I'm assuming is what they intend me to think, but like it's not acknowledged by anybody in the show.

So that's part of what blessed me.

Is, Like, the boys don't go this place is real weird.

Don't you think I would expect them to at least say something, And it's just treated very much business as usual.

And I'm just like, how so, I am very surprised that the like they react to the existence of the place, which is fair, but they don't react to like the weirdness of the play.

And so yeah, so they're looking around and Dad's.

Just got like all kinds of shit, Like you said, there's all kinds of weapons, there's files, there's kids ship from their childhood.

There's like a little trophy that Sam one playing soccer.

I think.

He's so excited when he sees that, Say.

That is the tiniest fucking trophy too.

It's so little.

What the hell, guys, you have to go out of your way to find a trophy that small to gift to kids.

That's like effort, that's that's the well it says they won, but it's giving participation trophy.

Yeah, I mean when he said we won.

I genuinely was like, that is not the winner's trophy.

Yeah, that doesn't feel right to me.

But maybe you know, I've never sam I never played organized sports.

Maybe everybody doesn't get to take home the nice, big trophy, so maybe everybody gets a little keepsake token to take home.

I played soccer and field hockey, and I never got a trophy at all, even when we won.

That didn't happen like so usually.

The trophies are like school property and they go like in a case or something for like all the accolades at the schools won over the you know, their history.

Perhaps at least that's what TV told me.

I didn't vote, you know, to any schools that had any like athletics that won anything.

But TV told me that there's always a nice glass display with all the trophies and the pictures of winning teams, you know, throughout the years.

So I have to I have to operate under the assumption that is accurate, because TV doesn't lie, of course.

So eventually they get to this spot where all of these boxes are lined up and all have like symbols on the outside, clearly meant to indicate something is being kept inside in a way that I very much was like thinking, is this going to be a Ghostbusters episode where like all the boxes just bum and a bunch of it's going to just start flying out?

Yeah, exactly.

And I kind of was like, that doesn't really make sense because we just had the gate of Hell open and let a bunch of stuff out, so we're sort of already doing that and we don't really need another thing.

And indeed, it does seem that it's not where we are going.

Yes, there's a bunch of shit that's in here, and it's worth stealing guns, knives, all kinds of shit, but it's one of the boxes that are missing, and Sam is the one that blocks the symbols that this binding magic, and that's how they know that, like whatever is in there, these are boxes, yeah, you know, and one is missing because there's a very glaring spot with no dust, which is very convenient, But the way.

That everything is coated in this like quarter inch thick layer of dust is really funny, Like why is it so dusty?

Is it literally a coal mine?

Are you somebodeds to investigate this place?

There's something environmentally not okay here, I think.

I mean it's not even like when he rubs his finger across it, that shit looks like cigarette ash.

You know, it doesn't really look like this black?

Is it black?

Yeah?

It's it really does sort of look like Yeah, that's just cold dust coming from shaking off the ceiling from whenever the little carts roll by on their tracks.

So then we cut to our thieves.

Yeah, and you could not have cast better for a scumbag, low life petty criminals than these two actors.

I thought the blonde dude was for a moment you McGregor from Trainspotting.

He just looks like him for a second so much, and I was like, wait what, And then I very quickly realized my mistake.

Do you know I have never seen train Spotting?

I haven't either, Oh well, there we no.

But I just know the look of him because I've seen the poster or various images a lot.

Okay, yeah, I'm trying to think if I even can picture him in that role, and I can't, and I can't get a visual in my mind, greeps where we watching thirty rock guys.

I often think about what it must be like for somebody who doesn't have the frame of reference for a lot of the references we make on this show what it must be like to you because Rashaan just being like a cat, get it in my mind, grapes, what the fuck do you think she's talking about?

Like, that's gotta sound like she just had a stroke.

You know, I know exactly what this is, but it must it must be a little mystifying.

It really must be like I hear that correctly.

No, I'm not blaeving you, because I did this all the time as well, you know, but I am always so aware of how like there's got to be at least forty percent of my listeners who have no idea to talk about, and I'm still gonna say it.

I acknowledge that they don't know, and I think I probably should tell them, but I'm also gonna still say it.

But anyway, So, yeah, these dudes are there.

They clearly didn't expect the risk that they wound up taking on by robbing this place.

Getting shot was not something they had expected to be a potential outcome.

Oh yeah, there.

They are outraged at the way the steaks rose in a way that they were unprepared for.

And they are also contemplating why give the woman who hired us the thing when we could just sell it ourselves and cut out the middleman, which is always, you know, the danger of hiring thieves to do Yeah, yep.

I love that they are like holding her personally responsible for getting shot, and that's part of the reason why they feel entitled to her off.

Yeah, they're just like, well, now she owes us, and so you know, so she uh, we find out later what the deal is with her.

We'll get to her.

These guys are opening this container.

The dude who winds up actually touching the rabbit's foot is actually against opening the box in the first place, And and I love their reaction because this dude opens it so slowly and so dramatically that, of course, you know, I'm thinking something's gonna leap out at him, that it's going to be a hole, and he is almost behaving like he thinks that too, even though he really shouldn't expect that.

I can expect it, because I know what fucking world worries, right, right, but he shouldn't be so concerned.

I was sort of like, why is it that you feel this way?

Though?

Is his fucking disgust at what's in the box?

Yep?

It's a fucking rabbit's foot.

I'm gonna die for a rabbit's foot, understand.

And it really like, not only is it just a rabbit's foot, but they have really made it look like it ain't shit it is in the box.

It's all so jinky.

It's all like I mean, I guess like a rabbit's foot it is one hundred years old, is going to be the word for wear.

But my god, if like they could have just had to post a note this that ain't shit like in this box, Like that's.

What if you think about, like how everybody was so desperate to hold on to it because losing it meant that you, uh don't have the luck anymore.

There's probably like blood embedded in the first you know, as gross as fuck.

Somebody definitely shoved it up their ass for safekeeping so that they didn't lose it.

It's still lost it anyway.

That's one of my favorite parts about this.

The idea of this this curse, the sort of mythology around this rabbit's.

Foot, is that part of it is that you're going to lose it.

That that's just wrapped into the curse, and that's like the way it works I love that.

It's like because they don't really delve into it in this episode, but if you thought about it outside and think about all the ways a person would go to what lyns they would go to try to make sure they never like I joke about shoving up their ass, but like all the things a person would try to do to make sure they never lose it, and they'd lose it anyway, because that's just part of.

The fucking deal.

Yeah, I really really love that, and I absolutely would be the person to think I can beat it, I'll figure it out, I'll fix it.

It won't happen to me.

This is a line in a book that I was covering recently that was like he was bullied by the belief of everyone under the age of twenty that for him things would be different.

And I just had a moment of like I had to stop and go, oh, Jesus Christ, like that's all it is.

That really hurts Yep, I can't believe you just said that to me like that is nothing in the middle of a podcast.

I think it was from the expanse that didn't expect me to fucking he recording, like you didn't just shatter everything fucking rude.

Yeah, it's a uh, I am constantly just like yeah, not me, though I'm different.

It's it's different for me.

Rules are different.

So anyway, ah, this results in this like fight and the dude winds up grabbing the rabbit's foot and there's a sort of whoosh, and we get a little sequence of like him playing cards with his friend and it always being him that wins, and like not just that he wins, but he wins with such a proportion like inane, yeah, four kings, like however many flushes he got in an hour, Like it's it's clear that the tides of turn and it like everything's coming up milhouse now, which again is another weird thing to say if you don't get the reference.

Now, I'm gonna be thinking about that all the time.

But before they are playing cards and stuff, they're making so much noise with the fussing that their landlord comes over to yell at.

Them, and I forgot about this whole thing.

And then it turns out that he's like a medic, or he was a medic in the army in Vietnam, and so he's there to like help the sky's gunshot wound and take care of the bleeding and give him the care he needs, which is the first like bit of good luck that we see happening.

Yeah, it must be your lucky day.

So then we have the boys catching up with him quite quickly because we need to get to see how this works.

And I was just clocking this like as I'm watching it live, I'm going, oh my god, we're about to have like a whole crazy sequence Like that reminds me sort of Domino appearing in the uh Deadpool movie.

I don't know if you watched that.

Did you watch?

I watched the first one.

Okay, in the second one, there's a character I think she's called Domino, and her whole thing is that she has incredible luck.

That's the black girl, right, And then yeah, she's got like black and silver pain or black and white pain or something.

Something like that.

And it's done in a really fun way where she's in a separate scene from Deadpool and he's just driving talking to somebody about whether or not to let her on his team, because just having good luck isn't that exciting or cinematic, And then you cut to her and this insane series of events that happens that's extremely cinematic and to watch, and it just sort of undercuts everything.

And I as soon as I realized, like, that's what we're doing, I was like, oh, this is gonna be great, and it is so much.

It is great.

It's so good.

I loved it so much, except for eventually when his dude is by himself, because I knew that very bad.

As soon as you see that fucking prong or whatever, you're just like, oh this is when I saw the.

Fucking bottle on the floor.

Oh sure, sure, I was just like, oh, he's about to trip.

And then he doesn't, and I'm like, all right, well he's gonna though, and then he puts the prongs up and I was like, oh, you just made it worse.

And who stores ship like that?

Wan face up like that?

Like I don't even put my knives in a dishwasher that way they had, I mean, you put the knife, shark part down, shark part down.

They would on its side, like yeah, this is this is this is this is insanity sticking it a fork like that.

But sorry for the sirens, guys, it's all right.

So yeah, the boys burst in and this apartment has got like newspaper wallpaper.

Yeah, it's a little weird.

It's like it's like poor people insulation.

But so the boys burst in.

I think they're like freeze, like trying to pretend like they're cops, you know.

And then we get this fucking sequence and it is.

Chef's kiss yep.

It is so beautiful.

It's like the cartoon nature of it, the fucking the way that they're getting tackled and knocked it when he when he fucking points the gun and it just cracks Dean in the face and like he just goes down.

He like just shoves Dean and the gun hits the floor and then fires, and then the bullet bounces off of like one thing and another and like hits it.

It's it's great.

I love all this and the exactaggerated nature of the way the scene falls, like such a prat fall, Yes, exactly exactly.

There's a moment where Sam gets tackled from outer frame and it's also like that too.

It's just like it's like he weighs like a pillow.

This guy just knocks him over, Like this guy like he's not like six fucking ten, you know.

It's so funny.

And then the way that the guy.

Like at one point, he like bangs into the bookshelf and tosses the gun.

The gun goes flying out of his hand and it just lands in Sam's hand.

Yep, Like just goes flying through the air and lands handle first, eating Sam's open Paul right with his finger on the fucking trigger.

Yep.

And this is when Dean is like, boy, that was lucky.

Is that a rabbit's foot?

The way that these two just laid themselves out.

The one guy has the he pulls the trigger on Sam and it just jams, doesn't go off at all, And that for Dean, He's like, that's my gun and that shit does not happen.

So, yes, this is a this is actual good lucks ye.

Yeah.

And he's on it immediately, Like the very next scene, he's coming out of the fucking gas station store with like scratch offs and on a mission because he knows what's up.

And let's all, I know, we said it at the beginning of the episode, but let's all take a minute and appreciate how real it is.

The first thing you're going to do, let's go cratch lottery tickets.

Absolutely, it was so funny because like I immediately thought to myself, Oh, they should go to Vegas or something, but I forgot about something like the lottery.

So I was like on that general wavelength, but I wasn't thinking immediate enough.

So when he comes in and he's got the tickets, I was just like, oh, nice, Okay, yes, this is the way, because it genuinely I wasn't thinking about it as I wasn't thinking it through as well as Dean was, which is something I'm probably never going to say again.

Now Sam is like reluctant.

He thinks that this is this is like nonsense, like he's he's been grudgingly scratching off the tickets, and he says, because Sam's thinking, this is a curse item, so it can own because they don't understand how the curse works.

So for Sam it's like it can't possibly be anything good, and so he's scratching and he's not expecting anything at all.

This is like a waste of time as far as Sam is considered.

And then sure enough, the very first ticket they hit for twelve hundred dollars, twelve hundred dollars, which if I hit right now for twelve twelve hundred dollars is nothing and when I tell you, if I hit for it right now, how that would just change like several significant things in an instant.

Twelve hundred dollars.

Yeah, I need to start playing a lottery.

Maybe I'll go get some scratch offs.

Have to do honestly, Yeah, you know what?

Why not?

A number has been chasing me for like a week.

I keep seeing the same number over and over and over again.

And I'm not going to say it out loud, but I looked out and it says it says that it's like I went to like numerology, and I went to like angel numbers, and it says it means be kind to yourself.

Oh right, I remember mentioning this.

Yeah, but no, no, this is a different thing to happen, but the same message to say, Well, well, right right, So.

The universe is definitely trying to tell me something.

But so all right, so then we we leave.

I love that as soon as we get to oh yeah, there's a consistent message I'm being told changed the really quick.

Nobody wants to hear about that.

You guys, you guys know me.

You've been listening to me long enough.

You know what my deal is.

It's still it's still the same.

My deal is my deal, but I'm working on it.

I'm working and i made some really good strides this summer.

I'm not even gonna front.

Yeah, I'm proud of my She has two guys bear witness.

So uh, but we go back to the low budget thieves and this is.

The amazing that's what they are.

Yeah, it definitely.

It kind of feels like, where did you find these guys?

Lady?

Like, listen, she fucking was not trying to spend a lot of money.

She was like really doing she really did because she, uh, she could afford to buy better quality and she chose not to.

So we this is when we see the guy get up, go in the kitchen to flashing cold order on his face and trips and in pails on the I don't know exactly what to call that piece of utensil.

It's like a barbecue fork that works.

It looks like something you would use for like, you know, a grill.

Yeah.

I think that's exactly right.

I think you nailed it.

I am not like, you know, remember that big knife the haead And I was like, why would somebody have that in their kitchen?

And then turns out I had one in my kitchen.

I forgot about that.

Yeah, how much time I spend in my kitchen up even though the fusing, Oh that's funny.

How is it that we're friends?

There's so many moments like this time, just like what for us to be so similar?

We are wildly different people.

Well, it's very funny to me.

And we yeah, and so yeah, that guy goes down and he goes down hard.

It is unpleasant.

And then his friend this is not funny.

But for some reason, the way he's screams is also very cartoonish to me.

It's just, yeah, this guy really went for it into the comedic angle on he great, he really really did, so he like goes for it, but it's understated enough that it doesn't feel like overdone.

Yeah, like you really believed that this is exactly what this guy would have done.

Also, I would to mention only because it comes back later when they first go into the apartment, before.

The high jinks really get out of hand with the fight.

Dean is just like I can read people, and yeah, you might be a petty thief and a liar, but you.

Come back killer and it works.

And then the second time it doesn't work.

I did really appreciate the kind of acknowledging winds, Like this guy is called the scumbag.

This is somebody who's like he's aware.

Yeah, yeah, you don't have to say it though.

So they uh, Dean's got all the lottery tickets.

He is fucking happy as a pick and chip because they've got like a lot of money.

Was like, you got to catch those in now.

Why aren't we going to the store right now?

Don't even leap right there in the car right now.

But instead they are men on a mission.

Sam is on the phone with Bobby to get some intel on this rabbit foot, and Bobby is the one who lets us know what the deal is with his rabbit's foot.

It is old world Hudu style serious magic.

It really works.

And the problem is that when you lose it, not only does your good look go away, but it sort of boomerangs and you get like bad luck ye, which is very different than just oh, your luck goes away.

And Tim is like, all right, well, I just won't lose it, and he's like wait, no, no, no, everybody loses.

Oh wow, that's a novel idea.

Nobody in the history of this rabbit's foot has ever come up with not lose it?

Amazing, Sam, you're a genius.

I'm going to put it in my coat pocket, and now everything is fine.

The fact that he puts it in his coat.

It's this important.

And you not only just put it in a pocket, You put it in a pocket of a piece of clothing that you regularly removed from your body when you do indoors.

What the fuck, Sam.

Why are just sticking it?

I don't know, in your pants and down.

Your pants, down your pants.

I wouldn't even do it in my bra because my bra my boobs moved so much I could see them just shoving that thing right down.

But stick it in my pants.

Boom done.

I will have to say I've gotten to the right age and eat that.

My boobs are perfect pockets now.

It is one thing I really appreciate about appreciate about getting older and having gain weight, is I can actually hold shit in my boobs now.

Oh yeah, they are very They are very clutched sometimes, so I don't put cash in there because that's gross.

But I don't even carry cash anyway, though, so.

I really don't have cash anymore either, which always bite me in the ads because I always forget to take it with me when I go get my nails done, and then I have to tip digitally, which I know for the kids, doing everything digitally is like cool.

But the time it takes me to fucking Venmo.

This poor woman her tip for my manicure, it's it's it's.

Tragic for everybody that has to watch me do it, and I just every time, I'm like, fuck, I should have went to the ATM first.

So the boys go to this little place.

Oh you know what, I just really so when I was watching this, I was like, oh, okay, so like it's making up for the I.

I sort of had a different idea in how this goes because the way the Bobby said puts it, not only does it even out your luck, but it's like the point is that you are killed in the end.

This is explicitly made to kill you.

Yeah, that's why it's cursed.

Yeah.

Yeah, So it's not just like it's a good luck charm that can go bad.

It's like the point is that it kills you, but lets you have a good time first.

Yeah.

And there's a story that I covered with Miles.

It's one of the side stories in the Sukie Stackhouse series, and it's a kind of a fun, weird one because, like you know, in that universe, there are witches, and there are a couple different people that come to her about having had some really really bad luck with things lately, and they're sort of asking her for advice separately.

But she starts to notice a pattern with it and eventually narrows it down to, oh, all of these people are insured with these two particular insurance companies.

Meanwhile, that one insurance company over there hasn't had to pay anything out for like a year.

And she finds out the guy who runs that insurance company is a witch.

And he gives every new client a lucky rabbit's foot as like a welcome gift that is actually charmed, and it makes it so that they don't get into accidents and their homes are more safe, and YadA YadA, and he just thinks that he's doing a good thing for his business, but he doesn't realize that basically, the way this operates is that luck is a finite resource, and by pulling all of his good luck towards these people, he is ruining the dynamic.

Ever, so all of the other clients at other places are getting fucked.

They are having the most unlikely disasters because everything is thrown completely.

That's yeah, I really liked that one.

And he's so bummed because like, once Sookie figures it out and comes to him, he's not like a dishonest guy, so he's not trying to like, you know, once he realizes he's gonna undo it.

But you definitely see the sort of wistful like, man, I really had it all for a second, you know, like but yeah, so I kind of had wondered if that was it, if it was like it just it has to rebalance, and you took so much good luck that now it must even itself out.

But it's actually the point is for you to die, so there's really no getting around that, you know.

Yeah, yeah, that's what makes the sort of.

Oh my god, people are angry.

It's just so much, so much.

But but yeah, that's what's so like interesting about the idea of the rabbit foot is that its purpose is to get you in a.

Situation where you will you'll buy you know.

That that's the end game for it, uh, and that you have like.

The the sort of like hmm, that's what I want the elation of have of experiencing great luck that we see and then having it turned and do such a violent like one eighty is especially like especially cruel, you know, like somebody is really ride and wave and then boom it crashes and next thing you know, you're impaled.

Ones you sense in your kitchen, so and that there's and that it's sort of inevitable also is part of the deal, right, like you know, and Bobby is selling them initially there's no way that he knows to get out of the curse.

Now we all kind of know that once Bobby is on the keys, he'll figure it out.

He's gonna find something.

But when they first reach out to him, he doesn't have any any ideas and says he's going to have to, you know, get hit the books.

This is the only thing that bothers me about this, which which part that Bobby is able to come up with something in like the same day they ask practically.

Why doesn't John find this, and then like all of this could have been avoided.

Yeah, John's got stuff locked up somewhere.

And apparently Bobby knows and helped him make the boxes.

Yeah, like Bobby, we could have just destroyed it, and you kind of just sidestepped this entire fucking issue, Like I was just I know that it's just for the plot, and I get that, but it I want there to be an explanation within the show that tells me I thought I couldn't do it because of this, but I recently found out an additional piece of information that means that I can do it, and this is something I only just learned.

Or now I know whatever.

When they find out the curse how to break the curse.

Off the top of my head, I cannot remember how Bobby really is that information.

And if we see that scene or if we just get the boys saying out loud Bobby found something he knows how to do it, I can't remember.

It's just Dean saying Bobby found a way to cleanse the thing and that should do the trick, okay.

And it's just really like casual.

It just feels so it's not even an involved.

It just seems like they just burn it.

I mean, it appears that just took it to a graveyard like a whole, sprinkled some leaves on top, you.

Know, like and specifically, but it's really not complicated.

I just I was.

Complicated part as the chick showing up.

Yeah, I really wanted there to be like an element to this that was particularly strange that would explain why we hadn't already figured this out, you know, And there's nothing like that, and it's not a big deal, but it does feel frustrating sometimes with this show where a solution is easy almost and yet nobody thought of it yet, like this is just a brand new idea, Like come on.

I think it would have been better if it would have It would have made that part easier to digest if they had not involved Bobby in making the boxes and knowing and being aware of the storage area, because if Bobby doesn't know, then there's no reason for him to look into it.

And Thennet explains why, you know, he didn't know how you could break the curse so easily, but by setting up that he's aware of these boxes.

You though it doesn't explicitly say he's aware of the fabbit's foot, he is aware that John has found things that are dangerous enough to need to be locked away, which then suggests that Bobby agreed there was nothing else to do about it except lock it away.

Yeah, so yeah, a little bit of a misstep.

Now, to be fair, we don't know when John got this.

We don't know.

Yeah, we don't have any And I am perfectly willing for the record guys to believe that John wouldn't tell anybody about stuff that he found, Like this is not a man who shares things.

So that's part of it, is what you said about, just like, don't have Bobby say that he has made the boxes for him.

And the only thing I was going to make a point about as far as like not being aware of just how long ago Bobby made the boxes, Like how long this storage unit has been a thing.

I mean, you could say, well, they've got all this old shit in there, so it's had it for years, because you know, they never had a home to keep shit in.

So he must have had it from when Sam was a little kid and made and got the trophy and Dean was found the shotgun that he made.

He made a fucking sawt off shotgun himself in the sixth grade.

In sixth grade.

That's crazy.

But uh so it's possible that Bobby twenty years ago didn't have all the books and knowledge that he knows now, you know.

But but because the show doesn't want to spend any time filling in those blanks for us.

I agree, maybe not having Bobby so intimately aware of this place and of these boxes, you know, maybe we shouldn't have had that, you know.

Yeah, yeah, Like that's always the thing, guys.

It's like, I don't have a real problem with the the thing that happens, it's that the show chooses to not acknowledge the thing.

That's usually where I sort of bump up against like you guys inserted a line that if you just hadn't put that in, we wouldn't have this problem.

Yeah, you know, it just frequently feels like you guys sort of missed the opportunity to keep this from being a problem in the first place.

And it would have been very easy.

And you know what, I've not really clouded the.

Issues since you've been bringing it up.

What I've noticed is whenever they do this type of thing, it's in service in the moment of providing a backstory, but they only go like halfway with it.

Every time they do this sort of thing where they insert a line, you're just like, well that in the moment that line lent itself to the scene, right itself to the story, but then a few beats down the road, you're like, we completely drop it, and it's like, well, why did.

You even bring it up there?

Yes, exactly exactly.

It's like you didn't have to do any of that, though.

There have been many episodes so far where we've just been sort of like, you could have just not said and then all of these questions.

It would have been fine.

But you know that's because they probably are like writing scripts a day before they film.

A lot of things tend to go maam, what was it?

There was something recently I was hearing about this guy who is a showrunner and he was admitting to be writing the script on set while they were filming.

So Sae, yeah, so you know that is This is not me throwing shade.

This is me acknowledging this is how it works.

This is what they do.

And that's just sort of I loves frustrating when there's so many gully waters out there that they had the beats of the first couple of seasons plotted out and you just be like, no, no, they didn't.

They had They had the broadest of plotted They had the baseline, that's what they had plotted out.

Was like them they had the bass.

The rest of this they only began to fill in and occasionally they've got like a baby crying sound effect that you're like, that didn't need to be there.

What is this?

You know, put in a police siren.

I hate when there's a siren in a song, and I'm thinking that there's a siren in life, and I have to like take my AirPod out and look around and be like, is that real?

No?

Oh, okay, yeah, you know it's very like jumpy Okay.

So we have the boys going to lunch.

We have the diner scene.

This is so funny because these two are looking at the waitress in such a way that I was like, you both need to chill out, because my god, And as she was leaning over, I was like, she, well, in his pocket?

This is so weird.

The first thing, before they even sit down to the table, we have to mention that they walk in and they are the one million customer, so there's all this fanfare and their picture is taken.

When you saw the picture being taken, what did you think to yourself?

I literally said out loud, well, there's the episode image.

I'm using this, but it did not occur.

To me, the way that it would backfire.

Oh, it didn't know if I wasn't thinking about that.

I was just thinking about how funny their faces are, because.

The first thing I thought was, sirs, you are wanted by the law.

You cannot be if you don't hide your face behind it giant check.

What are you doing?

The way that like, look, these guys being photographed is like the one millionth customer.

Normally nobody's gonna see this photo, you know, like normally this is nothing.

But it's the bad luck that causes our guy to want to go to the exact same restaurant, you know, and then look it up.

It's great.

It's so good, it's so great good.

So yeah, so they get in this place is called Biggerson's, which.

Is a all right, So.

I'm gonna tell you guys something that I'll probably regret sharing on the on the podcast, but it was really funny to me when it happened.

So I went to my in laws and uh, we were talking and there's this amusement park in Jersey that they were telling me about, and the place is called Diggerlan.

And I kept saying what, and then they would say Digger Land.

I said, what, No.

So the place is called digger.

Land, and it is like it's got like bulldozers and and like like like heavy moving equipment trucks where you can like move big piles of dirt and stuff and like you know.

But yeah, so they could just place and it's called Diggers.

It's like at chappelle skit.

It reminds me.

I remember I texted you that I think I listened to two different episodes of the same thing, but it was there was a snapped episode and the suspect's last name is Nager, oh dear, and everybody in the episode that they're interviewing has a really strong, subtle year and I just kept being brought up short and then like realizing like, oh, oh right, right right, it's fine, it's fine, and then like ten minutes later being like, oh it's fine, it's fine.

Oh yeah, but yeah, language you gotta see my face.

Oh god.

I would love it if you just like immediately heard what you heard and refused to go and nobody ever understood why you were upset, and you didn't understand why they were fine with it, and it's just was a whole thing that would be very funny.

Oh, and their faces when they realized when I when I was having difficulty with they got a dun.

I'm sending you a screenshot because like the two of them and their face is at the exact moment that they take that photo.

It's just the perfect encapsulation of both of them.

It's like they're playing each other in their memories.

In that one episode, do you see that Sam's.

Yep, Dean is so excited and then excited.

He's like balloons.

Yeah, he's so thrilled.

I was genuinely surprised it takes as long as it does for him to snatch up their rabbit foot, like you know what I mean.

But uh, he waits until it's necessary, which I respect.

He's just willing to be there for the ride of Sam's good luck.

He really is.

Yeah, I mean he's concerned whatever good happens to Sam happens to him too, you know, the right attitude.

So uh so, yeah, So the hot waitress comes over, she pickpocket Sam.

They realize it, uh, but it's a little bit too late.

She has already made a break for it.

There's a reveal of her pulling off this wig and we were like, she's not who we thought she was.

It was so obviously a wig.

I think that was like part of what was weird for me in that scene.

And oh my god, what when they're running out after diner and they realized she's taking it and says over everything, and yeah, he falls like a couple times he falls outside.

Yeah, he's the way deed stops.

And it's just like this heavy size is wow, use everything bad happening to you, it's also happening to me now.

And when he stands up and he's like he skinned is me so bad that his jeans have holes in the knees now, which is very funny.

I've done that.

I've fallen so hard that I ripped the whole of my jeans.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm telling you that that that Postcards made was falling.

I have absolutely fallen and ripped skinned my knees so bad that I ripped the whole right through jeans.

No, yeah, it was.

And I did it in front of a bus full of people.

Yes, oh god, I'm so sorry.

I was.

I was running for a bus.

I was running downhill for a bus and tripped and fell.

Bus saw it happen, and then the bus just drove away.

And then a music playe oh.

That bus driver was like, I do not need luck like that, and like you guys, I was coming from work, so like half of the people on the bus were people I worked with.

They had got to the bus in time to make it and I was like behind them, like.

It was on the tip of my lips to be like, well, you'll never see those people.

No, I thought it was motherfuckers.

The next day, Yeah, I'm sorry.

I fell two times on my with that job.

I fell on the very first day on my weight to the job.

I fell running getting off a bus trying to run for another bus and broke my glasses and my finger.

And then from the same job, leaving running for a bus, I fell and fucked my knee up.

And that is why I was sewing.

Doesn't run anymore, especially for buses.

That is so sad.

I'm so sorry.

It's hard being me.

I am not graceful at all.

Yeah, I'm not graceful either, but I don't have that bad luck with that.

It's it's I fall.

Maybe it's just because your legs are so long.

Listen, I got I got the Ichabot crane.

That description you read is I had to my my legs would wait too long, and I have a short legs.

For me, it's always like kind of an opposite problem.

Every outpaces me all the time, walking, running anything, any seat, I'm probably going to be dangling a little bit.

It's like, and it's very uncomfortable, like your feet not being able to touch the ground, your legs start to fall asleep, and h pants always fit wrong.

I have the exact opposite problem.

My legs are so long I can't sit comfortably unless my legs across.

I wish we could just give each other bits of ourselves and even everything out.

That would be ideal.

Yeah you know, anyway, all right, so we will runs out and even falls down.

This is Maggie from Walking Dead, by the way, because I couldn't place her.

Yes, it is, thank you for that, Yeah, thank you for that.

That's exactly who that is.

I couldn't place her either.

But really, she goes about this the entire wrong way, because what she's attempting to do in the moment is distract them with her hotness so that she can pickpocket him, and he's so focused on her hotness that he doesn't notice.

But what she should have done was made herself look as frumpy as possible, and therefore me she would have been invisible.

Yeah, and then you just don't even see her and you can she can do whatever and you won't even like remember yep, but.

That's a secret that we're not allowed to acknowledge though that like you know, it's.

There's a there's a skit I think it was from The.

Black Lady's Sketch show mm hmmm, where there's a super spy, like a super duper government agent spy.

She's like the best in the business, okay, and the reason she's so good is she's a black woman, so nobody ever notices her.

They never see her, makes.

Sense, And so there'll be jokes where like she's in the room and people were talking about like what she needs to do, and there waiting for her to get there so they can execute a plan, and she'll be like, guys, right here, this is.

What it's like getting older and fatter.

You know, you just begin to be like background.

It's not even you're not even really a person anymore.

You're just filler.

It's true, but it can be useful weirdly.

So listen, I as a person who doesn't like to be perceived.

I initially bucked against that, sort of like, oh, I guess I'm just not like fuckable anymore in that way, But now I have really embraced it.

You're right, I'm not fuckable.

Leave me alone.

And when I say I'm not fuckable, I don't mean by your standards.

I mean you're not allowed to fuck me.

And I am not interested in get away from my my space.

Please just leave.

But it doesn't really kind of full so they follow her.

Well, they have to find her by going back to this the remaining dude, right, because they find out about the weird way that the other guy.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, we have Kubrick and his partner trying to figure out a place for lunch, and like you mentioned, they opened a website to look at the menu and the boys are right there, and this is when we see Kubrick kind of give like a look up.

We don't really get it in the moment, but it's clearly him being like god.

Is, Oh, I definitely got it in the moment, did you.

I don't think I didn't really clocked it.

That was like a this is I've.

Been down this road, Sean, and I've seen all the times.

I know what's going on, yep, sure do.

So they go again, this poor other guy that we don't know what his name is, Like we know Kubrick.

This other guy is just fucking like nothing.

He's just there to like be the reason for Kubrick to ever have to speak.

Yeah, pretty much.

But there's the there's sort of a weird energy about the scene with them deciding where they're gonna eat that I think is supposed to suggest that maybe Kubrick is like a gooraphobic, where this guy is having to really convince Kubrick to leave the trailer, Oh, go eat somewhere out and Koprick seems really hesitant about it.

Yeah, because he's like, oh, I got anything you want and canned and the guys eat an RV.

Dude, what do you what?

We're going someplace to eat food, get out of here.

Hmmm.

That's interesting.

And he really has to kind of talk him into it and be like this place is good, like and the menu is online, I'll show you, like he's he's making an argument.

Yeah, yeah, And I just thought that was interesting, Like we don't get much more about that in this episode, and I don't know if we'll get more about that later, but it seems like there is something with this guy.

I think you're onto something because the fact that he stops all this food in can form suggests that that's how he gets down, Like he doesn't go out to eat.

He you know, he's living on like rations.

He's hunkered down in this RV that has everything he needs.

It's like mobile.

Yeah, it does definitely suggest that he's living a sort of I don't know if prepper is exactly the right.

Word, but just very insulated.

Yeah.

Yeah, and especially if he's got like a religious bent going on where he feels like, you know, the apocalypse is coming and that's what this is, and he's got to be prepared for, you know, the chaos.

And so he's got this like I don't want to say armored vehicle because that's like a bit much.

But he's got this this vehicle he lives in.

It's got everything he needs, all like insular.

It doesn't mean anything or anybody else.

Yeah, I think you're definitely.

Picking up when something that's going on there.

I thought it was interesting that the show doesn't really delve into that any further, and I'm wondering if it's going to come up later or if it's just like a little they don't tend to add stuff for no reason though they're not real big.

I'm like, let's just explore this character that's a side guy for no real reason.

Like it feels like there's got to be purpose behind that.

But we'll see, We'll see him again, I see again.

Sure, Absolutely, this is Gordon's only guy on the outside.

Absolutely, he's got to be in the mix for a while.

And we have to add that, you know, religious mania to make him a little bit more frightening, because, let's be real, people who are motivated by God's will are the scariest people alive.

I mean, you're not wrong.

It is a never really goes anywhere good historically speaking, hasn't worked out for us yet it has not.

Yeah, that's the funny thing about, you know, doing God's will is you have to be convinced that you somehow know it, and the fact that you think you know it is an indicator that that's part of the problem.

It's a bit of a problem.

Yeah.

So they go back to the thieves to try to figure out who this woman is, and we find the remaining partner is grieving hardy pouring went out for his homie.

I was so touched, honestly, because I just like didn't expect him to be so broken up, and he seems genuinely really like really really so sad.

This was my bud, you know, Like.

Yeah, we were more than just roommates.

We were friends from padres, we were business associates.

We were you know.

And when they come back, they're like asking for help, and he's laughing at them because of course you right.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, as soon as Sam walks in the door, Deans being all serious and it's no intimidating and like did see him fucking chips over like an extension cord and takes out like.

A radio and yeah, it's like, there's no way that you could have planned this to take more stuff down at the same time.

Yeah, the radio, he tries to turn and catch it, and he winds up knocking into the lamp and he sort of like is hugging both the lamp and the radio as he goes down and takes the side table with him, and Dean just sort of like without turning his head lamps over and then proceeds as is nothing he says.

All he does is.

He doesn't even he doesn't look back.

He just goes, you're right back there, Sam, and Sam goes, yeah, we haven't gotten to it yet.

But another thing I used to say all the time from this show is I lost my shoe.

That delivery, Sam is so good in this episode.

That delivery was so like it's very much the rueful regret of like a five year old who was told not to do a thing.

Should have known better, did know better, did it anyway, And now he has to tell his parent and he's embarrassed.

It's as soon as he started scraping his shoe off, I was like, you are gonna lose your shoes him, but he look, I get it.

Having gon on your shoe is annoying, but it's really not that big a deal.

Just fucking go with it.

Just leave it alone.

It could be so much worse, super bad luck right now, Just why are you tempting fate this way?

Yeah?

Yeah, very much, so very much so.

So this is when Dean gives the big Later, when he's just left in the hotel room, Oh god, that's so funny.

The guy ends up giving a name because Dean convinces him that you know this thing is actually very dangerous.

My brother is gonna die.

You saw what happened to your friend.

This thing killed your friend.

Oh, somebody's up.

It's because I banged on the table.

Oh how dare it is my fault?

Yeah?

I disturbed him.

He's trying to rest man.

He works very hard, considerate putting in a four forty hours a week being cute.

I think that's easy.

Forty hours a week, ma'am round the clock.

Okay, do you even pay overtime?

Osha?

Oh wait, they don't exist anymore.

I pay him and choose and and nose boops.

Medical care Yeah, fucking yeah, you know what.

I don't even need to give him treats anymore money.

Uh So, eventually this guy gives up the name Legosi and they hook up with Bobby, and Bobby explains that this is a woman that they know named Bella something, and.

It doesn't matter.

She's Logosi, it's.

Fine and did she's a thief and that she knows about their world, but she's not a hunter.

She just you know, takes advantage.

Yeah, and this is also oh wait, wait, wait wait, I'm gonna go back because we just got to close the bumper stickers because there's a cut to Kubrick and a guy talking outside and it's a close up on the back of his RV.

So he's got one that says, how would Jesus drive?

He's got one that says, don't make me come down there as a quote, and it just says God, like God said, don't make me come down there.

And then there's one that says Bethlehem or bust Oh my God, bethelhemmer Bus is pretty funny, don't make me come down there.

It's sort of puzzling because like, that's what you guys all want.

I thought, right, It's like what is?

What is?

What do you want?

Your whole thing is like God's coming.

He's coming, I swear he's coming.

Well, I guess in their defense, it's Jesus who's coming, not God.

Look, but then he cannot get into that because that's just confusing, and I don't think they even know what they mean.

Frankly, we really start to get in the weeds.

But religion just decides to overdo it.

It's like when you it's like people trying to it's like people head cannon and a supernatural fandom, you know, And I'm just like, oh, well, you know, yeah, I guess that doesn't make sense.

But it could have been this, and they make up this entire thing that I'm like, yeah, it could be, but nobody said that.

Nobody.

That's not like, you know, that's what religion is except for the Bible.

Let's just fill in all of these blanks with stuff that nobody ever said.

Yeah, that's what religion is.

Is fan fiction.

I mean, the Bible itself is fan fiction, but it's the og fan fiction, so we respect it a little bit more and pretend it's canon, and then everything building around that fiction yeah funny, which is fine.

Fanfic has its place.

I just don't think that we need to go so hard about it.

I mean, they would counter that's why you have to go so hard for They sure wouldn't.

They would be incorrect.

It just feels sometimes like are you having fun?

I feel like you seem to be enjoying yourself either.

I don't know.

That's the takeaway from me oftentimes is that.

You don't seem like you're having a good time, and everything you're telling me, it seems like you should be, I don't know, happier than you are or something.

I don't know something.

But it's been explained to me that that is not that is not hot works.

It has been explained to me that it has There's a bit in the expanse as well where he runs some one of the characters runs into a former missionary and he's talking to him and the guy's like, oh, yeah, I really don't like prosblytize anymore.

And the guys like, well, that didn't really stop, and he says, well, it doesn't.

But the thing about it is that you begin to realize that trying and not trying result in the same thing.

If you are trying to convert people, they are very resistant because you're coming at them in a certain way.

But people who are ready to accept Christ are going to be ready.

And if you're not trying, the people who are ready are ready, and the people don't want to hear it still don't want to hear it, so you just kind of wind up in the same place, but without making yourself really pushy and unlikable meantime, And that seems very real to me.

Yeah, yeah, I met a couple of people who I'm sure you have to who like mission trips is like a big part of the deal, and it's always people I'm always like you, but really.

But you, I'm always always surprised at who it is turned out opted for that path.

Even though in my own family's own church, there's uh a what do you call it, there's like a a focus put on missionary work, like not like I don't know if every religion has like how how to what degree it's it's sort of like promoted I think Yale.

Yeah, so Judaism is allegedly like doesn't it discourages you?

It does a few times.

Yeah, place hard to get.

It's not just throwing itself at you.

Yeah, exactly.

But yeah, my church had a to the point where when I was a little bit, there's like a periodical that comes out it's all about mission work and you would get it like quarterly or whatever, and we would have to they would ask children to read what they call it mission stories.

They're always like written for children and they're like very easily indigestible and they're very like basic, and you would read they would pick you to.

Read for like a service.

It was always like a like a big deal.

And I used to get picked all the time to read mission stories and it made my grandma.

I'm so prown for me to stand up in front of church and read from the little thing.

But yeah, that's just a a that's a weird side quest for religion to be, Like, not only do you have to like believe, but now I'm sending you out to make other people believe, as opposed to like spending the time developing your own personal relationship and having your life reflect your values.

Instead it's just like, oh, go get more people.

Yeah, it's like it's a shame because I understand you know, it's honestly, it's the same thing as literally making any positive change in your life that you become the fucking cheerleader for that thing.

Like I started eating way more protein because I realized my muscle mass is higher than an average and all I could talk about to people is like, you should eat more protein.

I am the worst about it.

And it's like like I'm like this with that.

You know, I feel better and feel happier because I'm doing this thing, and I just want the best for everybody around me.

I want you to feel better and good too.

And this helped me so much and I know it will help you.

So it's like I understand that it's really well meant, it's a human a place of genuinely I want life to be as better for you as it has become for me ever since this change.

And I totally appreciate that.

But I just just you know, and like there's probably something good for me to keep in mind, is that when I behave this way, it's like me being a missionary.

But for protein just nobody wants to hear it.

I mean, we do get really excited about the things that make positive impacts in our life, and there's a desire to go and like share the good news of whatever that thing is in your personal life.

It's just very human of us.

And then there's also like some depending on how you interpret, like spiritual instruction to go out and spread the gospel.

Yeah, which you know, I have my own personal feelings about I'm not in authority by any means, but you know, have my own opinions, and I think that that has been wildly misread.

But yeah, it's just like we like to look at this new thing.

I found this thing that's great.

It changed my life.

Yep, you know you should do it too, anyway or anything that I do that for I'm sure there is, but.

I can't think of anything except trying to get people to watch The Simpsons and seinfelds, Yeah, I guess that one does count.

That's funny.

So so yeah.

So they are outside of Vickerson's Kubrick and the other guy and they have just missed the boys.

And this is when Kubrick comes right out and says, we're gonna find them.

You don't have to worry.

And the guy's like, why are you so sure?

And he says, because there's a higher power at work here.

I know it now.

So now this mission is no longer just during a solid for Gordon, right, yeah, now, and now this is a mission from God, which, in my opinion, takes it up a notch.

Oh yeah, Like I said, it makes it feel a lot more sinus.

It certainly drives this man personally more.

And I don't like to see that.

I want him to be half invested.

I want him to be kind of like, oh, you know, if I run across and I'll take him out.

But I'm not really gonna put myself out about it.

Right, But now it's like, this is my full time job.

It's a mission, and I'm like, focus now yeah.

Yeah, so we got that going for us.

The boys leave with the lead.

They call Bobby.

Bobby says, uh, great news.

It wasn't easy, but I found a heavyweight cleansing ritual that.

Oh he does say it okay, so it's misremembering.

That's all we get, though, we get it.

We get an acknowledgment that it was difficult, but it was done.

And then he has to tell Bobby that it's good that you found that, because it turns out Sam.

Lost the foot like ten minutes after he told him he was going to lose it.

He lost it.

It was like saying that he just wouldn't lose it made him lose it, you know, it's immediately.

And then he says, uh, because Bobby is the outrage, and he's like, listen, it was a hot chick that stole it.

From us, Like should have seen her?

Like that is you know that that like what could we do?

We were helpless, our hands were tied.

Right, And so he describes her, and one thing Deane says is she was sharp, you know, good enough to con to play both of us.

And she only gave the guys the thieves name, which he says Luigi and Sam just says he's scraping come off of his foot Legosi and Bobby knows who this is.

Like we mentioned earlier, she's got a reputation.

It's Bella, and it's just kind of like Bobby's whole air.

It is just kind of like, ah shit, Yeah, like this chick's gonna just muck up the works.

And we find out that Bobby's dealt with her once or twice, and she again is just she's in it for her own game.

Yeah, And Bobby says, the last I heard she was out of the country.

She was in the Middle East, but now she's back and it's bad.

Yeah.

I feel like one of them is like, is she a hunter?

And Bobby sort of like chokes, no, Yeah, she knows what's up.

Absolutely not a hunter.

Yeah, Dean asked if she's a hunter, and then Bobby says, well, I know some people that might know where to find her, and that's lucky for us again, and then I love to that.

Dean says, thanks Bobby again because yeah, damn right again.

Yeah, this guy is really more of a father to them than their father, to be honest.

And useful, you know, even if you take away the father figure aspect.

He's just actually useful, which John Winchester was not.

Look, I know that.

Did you get your your postcard the day he should be in I haven't got it, yell.

I don't think so unless Steve grabbed it and didn't give it to me.

He might be on my table with some other nail.

But I don't ever seen it yet.

But I saw it when you posted it this.

I'm gonna read you what I put on the back ahead of time, spoil it a little for you.

So they went out last week, so they should be well.

There was that holiday weekend, so that probably slowed everything down.

But you know, the front of it, for those who haven't seen, is a picture of John Wintester with send him Back to Hell super imposed over him in read letters.

And it's time for me to yell at John Winchester again.

And I hope that y'all ain't tired of this because I suspected something I'm going to be doing for the duration of the show.

I have embraced the haterration.

I have drunk the hater raid, and I consider it my mission to spread the bad word about this unholy father.

I knew that we'd see him again, but his behavior was even more underwhelming than I had expected.

And yeah, it's probably because Jeffrey Dean Morgan didn't have much time to film his little cameo.

But I maintained that this is method acting, and like John, he figured out how to do the absolute least.

And I stand by all of it, and I hope that you guys enjoy your postcards when you get him.

The fact that he doesn't hug Sam to this day is though, just like, oh my god, dude, I'm so disgusting, you learn nothing from your time in hell.

Hug your son.

Damn it.

The fact that we have to say, hug your son honestly anyway, So let's see, I'm trying to jump ahead to the part where that's right.

This is when Dean parks Sam in the motel.

Yeah, motel.

What constitutes a difference?

Again, I used to know that, and now I don't know.

I think I always used to say, for me, the distinction is whether or not the access to the rooms are interior or exterior.

That's my definition, but I don't know if that's the actual definition, right.

But hotels are always the kind that you you know your door leads right to the outside, okay, And technically Cabana Bay is more of a motel than a hotel.

Does it count as the outside if it's the courtyard, Yes, okay, because it's whether it's you know, if it's in the interior of a completely owls like situation.

They have to use a card to get into that courtyard, so it's like there's still a level of security there is what makes it sort of different from my in my mind.

But I see what you're saying, and yeah, that that's it's Cabanda Bay is a really like much more of a hybrid of the of both experiences because even while the doors are exterior to your point, you need a key to get into but actually you don't.

You need a key to get into the pool.

But when you're at Cabanda Bay, you come out the lobby that those doors just open right into the courtyard and you just go to whatever wherever your room is and.

You don't need a key to get into the like little walkway.

You don't need a key until you I don't know if they have keys at the elevator or not.

I can't remember.

I'm so sorry, guys, nobody cares.

They really don't but anyway, that's always been my working definition between a motel and a hotel.

Gotcha, Okay, I accept that.

I like that.

But uh so they find this chip.

The info is that she lives in Queens.

He parts Sam into the hotel room, tells him not to touch anything, don't even scratch your nose, which he does immediately.

He does instantly, like just to test it, which I'm like, really, sir, at this point, why would you even do it?

I feel like it made his nose itch When I could see that.

It's like being like, don't yawn, you can't yawn.

Yeah, that's what That's what I felt.

And we see that the RV is in the parking lot of this motel.

Now, did you think.

They were following the boys or did you understand that this was just again more bad luck they happened to choose the same hotel that the.

Hun Oh saw it as bad luck?

Did you?

I didn't.

I was like, oh, they they've been following though.

I don't know why I missed that, but I totally didn't get that they just were already there.

Yeah, I definitely you know, this is the sort of thing where it could be that they weren't even like staying in the same place.

It was just that they happened to be strolling by the motel.

You know.

That's how bad the luck is.

It's that it might not even be as intense as that they were staying here.

But yeah, I just this was bad, bad luck.

I just want to call out too, now that we mention it, the hotel rooms, every place they stay, the motel room, this is another weird one.

Yeah, I noticed this as well, and I was just sort of like, I'm just gonna this.

Whole setup is very, very strange and have never you know, It's just it's it's got this weird thing happening on the wall that read cut out into the wall.

Behind Sam with a little shelves.

It's got these weird like wrought iron things around the beds.

I just don't know what's happening here.

It's very strange.

Yeah, I'm sort of feeling like they hired somebody to do these sets who's a lot more excited about the motel thing.

I mean, it just seems like they're going for it.

I think I think at some point early on they were just like, you know what we're gonna do.

We're just gonna make.

Every room as bombers as we can, and just like every episode is just gonna be a little bit different.

But also, yeah, so we see Sam just sitting in his chair with one shoe.

It's just sittiful.

And we followed in the Queen's and this girl, this girl's apartment.

Yeah, it's nice.

It's this is a nice place she's got, and she is on the phone with her buyer.

She's got a Siamese cat, which I felt like I was supposed to tell us something about her, but I don't know what exactly, just.

As she's so high class because guys are like, yeah, reed, and then you and you have to pay extra.

Yeah, that's not a rescue, you know what I'm saying.

She didn't get that from the distribution service.

No, that's not a cat that just rolls up into your yard.

Like she went with a check book for that cat.

I think you're right.

I think that's one hundred percent exactly what it is.

And she's a playing hardball with her buyer who is trying to intimidate her, and she's coming off is very tough because eventually she gets her way and gets the price that she wants and she's got the rabbit's foot, she's smart enough not to touch it.

And then there's a little activity on her security cameras.

Yeah, so she gets her gun, which she keeps in her wine fridge, which.

I thought was really God, I don't really get where that's coming from, but I'm not mad at it.

It was just I was trying to think if there was like a reason, like, you know, can can Is it because it's like temperature controlled or like low humidity or something there.

I don't know, but I like it.

It's just I feel like it's something to be like the last place somebody would look for it, you know.

Yeah, that's fair.

And her doors jar and she's peeking around her place and there is a error message on her alarm.

System and a little post it note it says turn around, yeah, and there's Dean.

Right, and now we've got two very hot people giving death glayers pointing guns at each other.

Yeah, and then go right.

And then Sam is still to his credit in the chair, and the air conditioning unit starts to make this weird sound and start smoking, and he just says, oh, man, come on, I didn't but man, delivery of it, I didn't even I didn't.

I didn't even do Nothing.

That really got me was like his delivery throughout all this whole episode is so on point.

It's just excellent.

It's so good, and I should mention that I was sort of like, Dan, you're not even going to leave the TV on?

Listen.

I thought he was going to put the TV on and like give him a sandwich or something.

He's just like, no, we can't risk the television being acted.

Right, you can't have food sandwich, yeah, which probably is the right call, probably right, It was still not enough, and he does this thing to his body Sam does when he's saying like I didn't even do anything, where it's like he's like fighting to like not move, like he's about to get up and then stopping, and so just kind of trying to see how bad is this gonna get?

Maybe I can get away with just letting it just same out, you know, And finally finally it starts to crackle and pop and then erupt into flame.

He grabs a comforter to put it out, and I was like, oh, that's just gonna catch on fire.

It doesn't, but I was for sure certainly.

That looked like the most flammable fabric that you could possibly find.

I am astonished that shit doesn't light up.

I mean, come now.

So he puts the fire out, and then the cameras on his face and you get like a woosh and you see like his face is all a glow.

His fucking arm was on fire.

A glow.

A glow is exactly the word.

He starts fighting put the fire.

Out with his arm.

He grabs the curtains to put the fire out.

It is getting all twisted around and like knocking himself out, and the curtains come to him and it's fucking Kubrick and his partner outside of the window, looking like we.

Didn't have to do anything.

You know what this is giving for me?

And you wanted to be my life, right, that's a hundred percent the same energy.

That's oh my god.

So Sam is out cold on the floor under the curtains.

We go back to Dean, who is so like at gunpoint with Bella and he is giving her the business about the way she lives her life, that she knows what's going on in the world and she doesn't want to help or protect anybody.

She's just out for herself.

Yeah, it does seem like he kind of gets to her she's a I procure What does she say?

I procure high value items for yeah?

And he's like, yeah, thief.

She says, yeah, A great thief.

I felt like there was a flicker there when he first says like, you don't want to help people, where maybe she does have more of a conscience than she is pretending to have, so she might be redeemable, Yeah, at least a good ally.

Would you be here for a redemption arc for her?

Are you interested in seeing her?

Okay, So this is gonna sound really nitpicky and weird, so I apologize ahead of time because I recognize that she is doing something with her mouth when she talks that is so distracting and weird that I would want a redemption arc a cat burglar who fucking knows well she's not a she didn't burgle the place, but because she's saying like, I'm a great thief, and I'm like, you didn't even do it yourself, But I would if I wasn't finding her so particularly annoying this episode, and I'm not really sure.

It's almost like she's trying to hold her mouth as why dos she can while only talking with the center of her lips, and I don't know if this is like because she's she Like, I'm pretty sure that accent that she has is her actual accent, so I don't know if it's meant to be like part of enunciating what she's saying really clearly and it's like an actor thing.

But I just it irritated me so bad and I don't know why, and I would I would be down for a redemption arc if she stops that, because otherwise I'm just gonna be constantly distracted by it.

I don't remember her doing this and walking dead, so.

I have to say I didn't notice anything.

I bet you didn't because nobody would but me because I'm a freak.

So oh fine, and that's funny, just like, no, I'm the only one to notice is that weird shit?

Because I'm fucking weird myself.

Like, if there's anybody out there who also was like, yeah, what was that, I would appreciate you letting me know that you also noticed it, because I as I was getting annoyed with her, I was getting annoyed with myself for getting annoyed because I knew I was being very silly I just sometimes a thing just gets under our skin a certain way, and I don't know what it is.

What did they call those pet peeves?

Yeah?

But that going Yeah, I think maybe I was thinking of void.

Was it something with a P P going forward?

I don't know.

Yah, I can't think of what the word is.

But yeah, I can't think of what the word is.

But anyway, So then we go back to Seam and Kubrick and the way in which there the one guy is like, dude, you should have seen it.

We didn't even have to touch you.

You just went apastic and knock some snap out.

It was like watching Jerry Lewis try to stat Cheers, which that was a bit I did not understand.

Somebody had to explain to me that he's a very physical act like com oh.

Gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very like slapsticky, you know.

Yeah.

And then Kubrick has his little monologue where he announces to everybody that he is on a mission from God, like, yeah, at first I was just working for Gordon, but it's bigger than that.

Yeah.

And he's also smacking Dean around, I'm sorry, smacking Sam around quite a bit.

His face is all bruised up.

He's very much giving.

I have a boner right now, and I don't like it.

Oh, dear m h, I.

Don't know if I noticed.

That means way too much enjoyment in smacking sound.

Oh, I see he likes it.

Oh it bothers me for someone it's funny.

It's not funny, but like the fact that a person could in one breath say, you know, they're very religious, they're want to make sure from God to doing God's work as will et cetera, and yet in the same moment be so incredibly violent and be hurting someone.

But I guess if you have decided that person is opposition in opposition to you, then then you can just do whatever right you can just doesn't matter what you do to them because they're the bad guy.

I think that there's a significant portion of like religious people who that is what their religion is for, is to justify them doing things that are awful that they know are awful unless they're directed the right way.

So, yeah, and there's just something there's something about the glee.

It's really uncomfy.

I don't like it.

Yeah, I mean he is Kubrick is like glowing with this revelation that he feels his head like he is it has broken something inside him, like answered questions that he was desperately searching for, you know, Like it's suggesting that this is a man who is stepping out on faith and then had his faith seemingly confirmed by like stuff, tangible shit that's happening in his life, and it's like the proof that he always needed.

And because he's gotten it, now he's got this this self assuredness, this righteousness that's the word I want.

This righteousness.

That really only comes when people really feel like they're in line with what their God wants them to be doing.

And it can be in some cases very divorced from reality, you know, like you are behaving in a way that is the antithesis of everything you say is good and right about the world and your God, and this is how you're behaving.

Make it make sense.

The way they make it make sense is, oh, well, those people are deserve it, actually exactly exactly.

Yeah.

So we cut back and forth and we go back to Dean and Bella and uh, when he asked her, how did you find it?

Because you know, how did you know it was in Dad's locker?

That's a fucking fair question.

And I was starting to think they weren't going to actually ask it because we were getting.

Kind of long into the episode.

Yes, yeah, but it does get a dressed And turns out what she did is she contacted the spirits of some of its victims who were very tuned into its location and probably you know, I very much thought that she was going to say, your dad told me, Oh, you mean like as being like a smarty pants.

No, like she's looking at the at the Luigi board, Oh and ghost John tells her.

Yeah.

For a second, I thought she was going to be like, yeah, your dad.

I was about to be like, oh, you motherfucker.

That is how little you think of John Winchester.

That's how low your opinion of him is.

Damn.

I didn't think too far ahead about why he would tell her.

I'll be honest, I don't have good reasoning here so straight because he ain't shit, he ain't ship, So of course it was in summary, your honor.

Damn, you really did drink the hate read.

I said what I said, you got hater ration and holiration this podcast read.

That is so good for like the four people that are going to get that joke.

Look, see, this is what I keep saying, a lot of people won't get the references.

But you know what, that's all right, that's all right.

I'm gonna say it anyway.

So Dean and Bella are having their standoff and they're going back and forth, and then finally we get to reveal that Dean now has the rabbit's foot and chooses to touch it because I guess he feels like it doesn't matter because Bobby's got the spell, so it's all.

Good, and he needs an edge on her.

And so he's able to get away because she can't hit him.

She's shooting bullets of flying they're not hitting him, and he gets away.

And then we have Sam again, still being tortured, and they want to know.

They think that he opened the gate on purpose.

They want to know, what is your plan?

What's going on?

And Sam is trying to convince them that no, actually, we try to stop it.

I don't get visions anymore.

I wasn't in on it.

Kubrick doesn't want to here a word, just keeps smacking him around and uh desperately asking like, when are the demons going to attack us next?

Where's the next attack?

Coming from and the guy whose name we don't know is in the background and.

He's watching Ron Ron's we already got a Ron we had Iron Ron, did you Ronald Donald?

Oh?

God?

Okay?

Uh, Henry, all right, Henry.

So, Henry has got a look on his face that's, in my opinion, a little like maybe we're going a bit too far here, buddy.

Yeah, yeah, you know, like I'm working with Kubrick, but but I'm not the same as him, you know.

Kind of like.

And uh, they're going and he just won't listen to anything Sam is saying.

Sam is trying to convince him that you got it all wrong, and this man is just like, I'm not trying to hear you, and as a matter of fact, I'm done with you now, and pulls out a gun and puts it to Sam's head and Henry is like, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, and Kubrick starts to talk about all the coincidences and how that's all proof of this being a mission from God.

Oh his name is Creedy, which is why we can't remember it.

Henry is fine, and he is going to shoot Sam in the head, and it's about to happen.

There's no doubt in my mind this is about to happen.

And Dean comes in just in time, and this is also delightful.

It's his good down tells Kubrick, there's something you don't know about me.

Oh yeah, what's that?

Well, today's my lucky day, and he tosses an ink pin and it fucking lands right in the barrel of the goddamn gun, just like, yeah, it's the kind of thing that kind of makes me want to go to Kubrick.

Hey, Bud, where's your God?

Now?

Was that also?

God?

What's up?

And Dean looks delighted like that was.

All for This episode is just how Dean is just such a creature of the moment that, yeah, it may be that this is cursed and things could go bad, but I am enjoying the shittest race for right now.

And I really appreciate that because same Sam got scared instantly and couldn't let himself enjoy his good luck.

He just couldn't.

Yeah, but that is not a problem for Dean does not have any trouble leaning in to pleasure.

So then Henry tries to swing Dean just casually moves aside and he ends up barreling into a wall and knocking himself unconscious.

And then Dean tosses a remote control and clocks Kubrick right in the middle of his head and boom, drops him like a sack of dirt, and then says, I'm Batman.

Again.

Delivery, guys, I'm Batman.

Cracked me up so bad.

I'm so sad I didn't get to see this live.

I'm really sad.

I have to watch it when it's available.

God, I hate that I missed it.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

It was a really good time.

I had a lot of fun.

I really like this one.

So then we cut to them destroying the rabbit's foot and they've got some of the ingredients they mentioned, some bone ash and some pepper and something, and Dean is frantically scratching as many scratchers as he can before they burn this fucking rabbits hood rabbit's foot, and he puts them in his pocket.

What I thought was going to happen was that he was going to drop them into the fire somehow, because like, it's one thing to scratch them before, but you don't cash them in before.

I'm sorry, but that is about very poorly.

Right, And I guess in his mind, like, well, the rabbits food's going to be destroyed, so there's no more bad luck, so nothing bad can happen to the tickets, which is just not It's.

Not about the rabbit's foot anymore.

It's just about what's smart.

Exactly agreed.

So they get interrupted by Bella and she's got a gun on them, and Dean tries that monologue again, you may be a thief, maybe a scumbag, but you're not a killer, and she answers by shooting Sam in the shoulder, yeah, with no hesitation, which I loved.

I was genuinely like, Dean, she's already tried to shoot you, very sincerely, tried to shoot you like four times.

And the only reason that she missed was because of this thing.

It was not because she was like pulling her punches.

She genuinely was trying to kill you already.

What do you think is happening here?

Just a weird moment of uh, you know, sir, Yeah, just like you're just trying to play her little tricks here.

Yeah, he's not gonna work.

You're completely misreading this situation.

And she tells him, listen, I can't hit you.

But I can't miss Sam and he has no choice, but it seems to give her.

The rabbit's foot.

What did you think about this turn at the very end there where he tosses it to her and she catches it.

I thought it was sort of a weird choice because, like, now she's got such an edge on you in the like you know, when we're about to maybe fight it out, considering how bad it goes for the people who don't have the luck for me.

It just sort of felt like, I know that you feel like I'm condemning you, but we know that you're about to kill this thing, and so right now you've just given her a little bit of really great luck in the moment that I feel could backfire really really easily, right, I know, I don't know it was.

I think it was a gamble on his part because he has to and he's right though it turns out to be right.

He has to bet that her survival instinct long term is going to outweigh anything she does in the interim.

In the short term, he's banking on the fact that this is a woman who does whatever she has to do for self preservation, and if that means destroying this this rabbit's foot to make sure that the curse doesn't bite her in the ass.

She's absolutely going to do it because she gets how the rabbit foot works.

She understands that even if she uses the luck to best them in this moment, within a day or a week, it's going to turn around on her.

And it's just not He turns out to be right.

So, like, you know, it was just like, for a moment, I thought, even if she does destroy it, that doesn't mean you guys don't wind up dead first, right, You're just gambling that she's going to choose to destroy it before she tries to take you exactly.

That's the gamble.

And I wouldn't be totally comfortable making that camble personally.

And this lends itself to wondering about how redeemable she is because she was shooting at him when she was in when he was in her apartment.

She was shooting to kill.

She wasn't like aiming at his fucking knees, yea.

And she could have taken the rabbit's foot, shot both of them, and then just dropped it in the fire they had already started, right, But there's something in her that makes her choose not to do that, not to take them out, And the question becomes, what is that you know, when she was doing the math in her head about what her next move was going to be, how did she weigh what she weighed?

Does she really care about human life?

And like, wouldn't shoot them, you know, because she's really not that kind of murderer.

Like, it's one thing to shoots somebody who broke into your house that's stealing from you.

It's another thing to shoot to unarmed people that are just standing there.

Yeah.

Is it more?

She did the math and there's nothing to gain, and she's only in it for gain personal gain, and killing them doesn't enrich her at all.

I think it could be a combo.

Yeah.

And also like if she does, if she is willing to murder them on the spot for real, for real, then there goes that redemption park.

Yeah.

So having her go along with this and be like, oh, shoot, she got me, I guess I got to get rid of this rabbit.

Foot that leaves her open and much more.

I don't want to say neutral territory, but I'm gonna call it neutral in the sense that she's not on anybody's side but her own so that leaves room for her to exist in that space where if she had been like, no, no, no, no no, I'm gonna shoose you wofe in the fucking head right now, I don't give a fuck.

If my touch to rabbit's foot, then that's like, what else do you do with her?

You know?

I always like a like out for myself, but very skilled character, you know, And I'm glad at least that they have her doing some pickpocketing stuff.

I just find it frustrating that we involved these other thieves at all, because again her talking about what a great thief she is when she didn't even do the job herself in the first place.

Is the reason that they did it this way, obviously, is because we have to have the robbers have the bad luck so that we get to see how this works.

You know.

But it is sort of strange when you step back and look at the way that this is going to be clearly sort of it's just her.

Those guys weren't even part of like an operation that she had going on.

They were just hired for this one job.

I need a little bit more to like see how competent she is at all of this they set her up with like the accessories of somebody who's very skilled, incompetent, because she lives very nicely.

You know, she's got money.

She still has Grabbitfoot for one point five million dollars, so she's got access to this clientele.

Bobby knows her, so they they don't show us.

They do a lot of telling.

Yeah, they don't really show us why she's so good at her job.

I always assumed she got the two clowns to go in for her because they're patsies, rude, and the reason that she picked somebody, she picked people that were so like disclosed good, so disposable, and not very good at their jobs, because a wiser hipper, more established thief would have been like, why are you sending me in there?

Why don't you go in there?

So she has to get like two dufices who don't ask the question, you know, why can't.

You just go get it yourself?

You know what I mean?

And then of course she's assuming that breaking into the storage locker will be easy, but John has probably got some shit in there waiting for somebody to do that.

That was my main thing was like, at first, well, the rabbit's foot's in a box.

You don't even need to touch it, so, you know, And it really, I think, does come down more to what she suspects is going on with John's own personal security system.

That's always been my kind of assumption for why she doesn't just go in and get it herself is because she knows that John's going to have that place fucking booby.

Trapped all hell.

Even though it looks like it is only the one turns out, but you know.

Yeah, it really should have been.

There should have been some more.

I love, boys should have barely escaped with their lives.

I love.

After she shoots Sam, Dean is like, you can't just go around shooting people, and she's like, he hasn't shot a few people, and there's literally nothing that they can say to it.

She knows just who she's dealing with, she really does.

So yeah, so this is when he tosses her rabbit, but she catches it, so now she's fucking in it, and she has no choice really but to let them destroy it.

And it looks like everything is done except that she makes a move towards his jacket.

She like means on the gravestone that his jacket's draped on because he like, again, the two of them putting incredibly valuable shit in their fucking jacket pockets like imbeciles.

He puts these tickets in his jacket pocket and then takes the jacket off.

It's fun over on.

Yeah, it's unreal disgusted.

And she is did she say at the end when they're like whenever after it's done, and she's like, yeah, but I'm out one point five million dollars and now I'm on a bad side of a psychotic billionaire And then yeah, she leans on the gravestone.

It threatens them next time, I just hang you out the dry and then she goes walking off.

Jane says, don't they just say, don't go away angry, just go away.

Yeah, there's a moment of just like, yeah, I'm sorry.

I don't really feel bad, Yeah at all, not even a little bit.

I am really curious about the psychotic billionaire, real really curious about that is because that's definitely going to be somebody we've got to contend with.

I think it's it's the fact that there's somebody out there who knows that things like this exists and has that kind of money to go about getting it.

It's a John Marcombe it is.

You're right, you are correct.

For those of you who don't get that, that is a Dresden Files reference, and you should be reading those books and listening to.

Us talk about them.

You should, because it's feel like supernatural and you're not reading Dress and Files.

I don't know what's exactly exactly.

I mean, you see it's it's like a perfect companion.

Oh yeah, completely, they definitely exist in the same universe, Like.

If I wish that Dresden was on the raidar radar of the people behind the show, because the crossover that we could have gotten.

Unreal.

But yeah, so they walking out of the cemetery.

Job's all done.

Dean remembers, Hey, it's not all bad.

We still got forty six thousand dollars in scratch off tickets.

Surprise, now you don't.

And we see her car heeling, and we just get one hearty son of a bitch, and then it all wraps up with Kubrick going back to Gordon to tell him that he was right about everything.

Sam Chester.

Winchester is more than a monster, He's the adversary.

And Gordon is like, word, what the look on Goda?

Guys, right, well, glad to have you on for I've got a step very carefully around this man now noted.

That's great, that's great.

Ah, yeah this guy yeah and so yeah, so they're there.

You got to figure out how to get me out of here, because, like I told you before, Sam Winchester must die, and that is how our episode ends with him hanging up the phone after relief.

That's it himself, sir, Yeah, come now, so we had had some conversations.

I really, oh, go ahead, sorry, I know that this won't happen.

So this is not me being like wishless or anything.

Really, It's just something that I think could be very fun to deal with.

And I might be tempted now to like include a lawyer character in the story that I'm writing.

But like Gordon was arrested coming at Sam and Dean with weapons.

It is now in jail.

But how did he get convicted?

Because these guys can't testify because they could get arrested because there's a worn out for both of them by that point.

So exactly how did this all occur?

Well without you for for for Gordon, we don't need a air quotes victim for him to be guilty of multiple crimes when they catch him, sure, and he's so he's probably locked up for things like unlawful carrying of multiple weapons.

Probably this is this is what I'm saying, though, I want to know, And this is not me like saying that the show should tell me.

It's it's just that I want to know, gotcha.

I want there to be like a side story where we find out all of the bonker's charges that his character gets filed against him, even aside from the boys, because maybe he's been caught on camera other places and he's got maybe some like homemade explosives or crazy shit, you know, Like I would love that because there's so many things that in stories like this where you're dealing with supernatural stuff, we just kind of like handwave, like, oh, yeah, so and so inherits money because they that person died.

Well yeah, but that person died in a really weird way that doesn't leave a body.

So how did the insurance people pay it out if there's no body?

How do we prove this?

And I know that all of this sounds super boring, but there's a way to make this a very fun story, you know, where you have a lawyer who knows about supernatural stuff and who gets called in explicitly for cases like this where oh, they got turned into a vampire and then staked and then they just like disappeared.

Okay, okay, we got to figure this out.

How do we set this up?

You know, like I encounter this sort of thing all the time.

You know, they got they got eaten by a shape shifter.

Bet we'll figure it out.

You know.

I want to see the lawyer who's like always in it on this kind of the technicalities of getting things done when the supernatural means that your usual methods of proving to the authority figures are not possible anymore.

And I just think that could be kind of fun.

You know, how exactly do you work all of this out?

Because this is something that in the Sukie Stackhouse novels, there is a supernatural creature that is related to her who dies and leaves her a bunch of money, And it did occur to me at the time.

When that type of creature dies, they don't leave a body, and I was sort of like, hell, exactly, you know, so yeah, I'm just like I said, this is not me criticizing the show for not telling me this stuff.

It's just that I enjoy those sorts of details because it takes a lot of work with your imagination to answer those questions and solve those problems.

And it's why they don't bother with them on a show like this, Right, it is a pain in the ass and you don't want to deal with it.

But because it's a pain in the ass, that's what could make it so interesting to see play out.

You would think, like we've talked about the hunter community and how we wish it was a little bit more organized, but unfortunately it's not.

It's made up of people who come to hunting, usually by a tragedy, like you know, the ones that we've met so far anyway, and there's no likes it's it's decentralized.

But if it weren't, if it was more of a cohesive unit, more of a collective, but where information is shared and.

You know, there are sort of like rules.

I guess you could also start to begin to build an infrastructure to support.

How a fucking so you could have a natural lawyer lawyer exactly, yep.

And maybe if which is in this universe or something, you can like enchant items to look like a body just long enough to convince somebody who's coming to like verify and you know, just like create an illusion or an enchantment or whatever and summon back their spirit and and have them talk to somebody as if they're still alive, and then they like shortly after or something like that.

You think about, like if you think about the season ending of two, right when all those kids just showed up in that little town, the little ghost town, So they all just disappeared from their lives.

Yes, and this is exactly has no idea what like they're dead now, they're all dead.

We know that.

That's what I said about the demon people too.

The demons, the seven Deadly Sins take over real people and those people have families stuff that are now like where the fuck?

And they will never find out what happened to them because they get buried in a mass grave.

You know, like I want to deal with those sorts of loose ends, the logistics of it all.

Listen, you know you are It's true.

We know.

I I am what I am?

Yam what I am?

I forget what I was going to say now, Oh I'm so sorry.

It's okay.

That's my man.

Ask you something about we were talking about Gordon and him being like, all right, I'm going to incriminate myself and hang up on you and the funk.

Where was I going agreeing to take this guy into his little plan?

Oh seems like, yes, thank you?

That worked.

My question was going to be uh.

We talked a little bit about it at the beginning of the episode.

We see how Gordon is able to get this guy on his side.

Do you think that there is more recruitment going on?

And how successful do you think this sort of slander that the Winchester's caused this whole shit hole or shit show to happen.

How much traction do you think that version of events is going to get.

I think it could very much end up in a like split of the Hunter community, a schism, and it would be interesting if that were how it worked, you know, if there were like distinct groups that take sides.

Because I've been very defensive about the boys, and I stand up by all of that, but it does look really suspicious.

It's really weird.

The one thing that I would suggest is to produce the bodies of the other candidates that were killed and be like these people were there, but all that is is like, oh, here's people I killed.

Yea, it doesn't make good.

Yeah, the only other option is Bobby being taken at his word.

But we see that Gordon just assumes Bobby is being played, yeah, you know, and that he has been played for a while.

He seems to think by John Winchester and that that's just been a thing.

So I feel like, yeah, it's not it's Sam just being like I don't have visions anymore.

That's not compelling, that's not convincing.

Kubrick was unmoved, yeah, you know, like the I think the Yellow Eyed deem An act respect of everything is sort of what's getting lost in translation here.

And I'm not totally sure how much of that Gordon is aware of.

He's been tracking so many of the other candidates that I would think he knows about it, but I don't really know how many details he's got and if we were able to really convince him that that demon is dead and it's done, but I don't think there's really a way to do that, and anything they try is going to be seen as a trick.

They're kind of in a no win situation.

Yeah, like, how do you prove that you didn't do this thing that looks very much like you did a thing in all the evidence that you could provide to back up your clean actually isn't as strong as you think it is.

Yeah, when presented, you know, it looks really strong in the moment.

Yeah, look at all these dead kids, you know, but then without the context and out without proof, it just looks like you slaughtered a bunch of fucking kids.

If you tell people the truth of the Yellow Eyed Demon, the whole truth, that also doesn't look fantastic.

Yeah.

If you start telling people that Sam drank demon blood when he was an infant, even though we are not convinced that that means he's part demon, how would other people take it?

Yeah, you know, that might not look great.

And I just like the difference between what Gordon is saying and what that other couple had been saying.

The other couple was like blaming the boy's incompetence for the portal getting opened, and that is a very easy thing for me to argue against.

That's just them being like you weren't on your ship.

Arguing that it was done on purpose is a really insidious accusation because there are so many ways that you can, like, actually you say this, but you meant this, and I Gordon is so convinced.

He is just so confident of his stance on everything.

Of God, even though he doesn't frame it that way.

Yeah, which is why it's so funny that he's all like looking at.

Yeah, he has the nerve to be like, oh boy, I did sort of want to be like Gordon, Look, this is you baby, right, what you sound like when you're talking to people, like you're getting the you experience right now.

Oh that's what I'm going to say next time, like Marshall gets mad at me for doing something he does, I'm just gonna say, you're getting the U experience right now and see if he understands what I'm talking about.

Something crazy.

You said his name, and I just got a text from him.

Oh.

At the same time, you said, when Marshall does my.

Computers a ding it it's something that he's sending me.

Simpsons, It's gotta be.

But uh, yeah, you're getting the you experience.

Yeah.

I feel like he'll clop what I mean when I say that?

Well, all right, kids, not long.

But it was fun.

Yeah, it was fun.

I had a good time.

This is a very fun episode, all right.

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