[SPEAKER_00]: And hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quark, decks, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Armin Schumerman, Robert Duncan McNeill, Garrett Wong.

[SPEAKER_04]: And myself, Terry Farrell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ford slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so rare that all four of us have together.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is really wonderful.

[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you just mentioned Patreon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just did an interview with Jonathan West.

[SPEAKER_00]: Terry, you weren't able to make that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was at the bat.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: You had to deal with dog.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're dealing with right now ourselves, but back to Jonathan, what an incredible interview.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys aren't patrons, you should check out some of this bonus material.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was an incredible nearly two and a half hour interview with Jonathan and he said to us, he had never been asked.

[SPEAKER_00]: never been asked to do an interview, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's his first interview request.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe that?

[SPEAKER_04]: He's a honey bear.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's a honey bear.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Such a lovely human being and has a lot of great experience and knowledge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our track.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great arm and do you agree?

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think anyone who's been watching all of us talk for now in a number of years.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be very interested in what Jonathan has to say because he sees it from a different point of view than we do.

[SPEAKER_01]: And some of his insights and recollections and anecdotes were fresh to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't never heard them, and I've heard a lot of stories.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, if you can see it, please do.

[SPEAKER_01]: You really appreciate that I don't think it would be two hours, but the two hours of John for talking about doing the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's about his career, which is really quite phenomenal.

[SPEAKER_02]: really.

[SPEAKER_02]: We could have had him on for another two hours.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his, his career pre-track is already amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got some birthdays, don't we?

[SPEAKER_02]: We do have birthdays.

[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, we have Doro Bishop.

[SPEAKER_02]: Doro Bishop on December 15th, which happens to be my birthday as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, my birthday double ganger.

[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, Doro.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, double ganger.

[SPEAKER_00]: Darrell happy birthday December 15th.

[SPEAKER_00]: You and Gary are going to have a big party.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming to your house.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming to your house.

[SPEAKER_00]: We also have Randy Hawk on December 19th happy birthday Randy happy birthday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Randy happy happy happy birthday.

[SPEAKER_04]: Randy happy birthday December 19th, Fennel Sagittarius and we have Catherine M.

Prioli December 21st.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's winter solstice.

[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, Catherine.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.

[SPEAKER_04]: My niece Brittany's birthday is on the 21st, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Catherine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Catherine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Have a great birthday celebration.

[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Katherine.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and we also have on December 22nd, Izzy Jaffer, happy birthday, Izzy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, Izzy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Izzy, have a very happy birthday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Izzy.

[SPEAKER_02]: David Wayne Deal, it is your birthday.

[SPEAKER_02]: December 23rd, happy birthday, David.

[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, David.

[SPEAKER_01]: David, many happy returns.

[SPEAKER_00]: Have a great birthday, David.

[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have a little poetry, a little art, and culture shall we say?

[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go with my limerick cultured poem for this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Warf sees Grilka, and thinks his feelings are true.

[SPEAKER_00]: his cursed house left his honor torn in two.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he helps quark to fight.

[SPEAKER_00]: A story Sereno could write, till feelings he's buried finally break through.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very good, but it's, if I may, because I am who I am, a story that Rustan could write.

[SPEAKER_01]: True, that is true.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in America, it's Sereno to Bourgeois.

[SPEAKER_01]: In England, it's Serano to Bourgeois.

[SPEAKER_01]: Serano, it's Serano.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a very serenostory though, I feel like it's a very serenostory horn from the storyline.

[SPEAKER_04]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_04]: My poem, acquisitions, mergers, love, mere acquisition, I protest, lust, and passion be my guest.

[SPEAKER_04]: Roll play, blurred lines, finds clarity, friendship, binds, [SPEAKER_04]: hidden desire, shakes her foundation and gives way to love's liberation.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's lovely, lovely, beautiful.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love your poem, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You feel like poetry, mind just feel like, [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's a limerick.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's different.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a limerick.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got it's it's supposed to be different.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, but that's nice because you do a limerick.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do a poem.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then we have Mr.

High Co.

And then we have our expert in language, arm and shimmermen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have the whole package.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the dream team.

[SPEAKER_04]: We do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't just anybody special.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here be my haku.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my haku.

[SPEAKER_02]: Quark.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pursus Grilka.

[SPEAKER_02]: Chief and Kira get awkward, dacks, and warf hook up.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you a dog, Bridges?

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we can all sign off now, because that's the entire episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the whole episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're done, and you've got it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any etymology for this because the words are rather simple and parmak is not a word that I can look up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I have something else.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a poem.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I did, but I don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I do have is this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the name of the episode is indeed looking for Parmach in all the wrong places, which is probably ripped off from the song title looking for love in all the wrong places, which was written by Wanda Malette Bob Morrison and Patty Ryan is recorded by American Country singer Johnny Lee.

[SPEAKER_01]: Paul McCartney said, this was the best song ever written.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was featured in the 1980 movie Urban Cowboy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wanda Malette, one of the writers, was a second-grade teacher who was inspired by her students to co-write this song with Patty Ryan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bob Morrison helped to publish the song after the demo was completed.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not an emology, it's background.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that background.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was fascinating.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is referencing that country western song.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the perfect thing to do, Arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so interesting that it was a second great teacher, like not a question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: amazing writer.

[SPEAKER_02]: This episode was written by Ronald DeMore, directed by Andrew Robinson, and this is what's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that he had already directed an episode for some weird reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did not realize that this was his first first, first, and ever of any television episode episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he talked to us about that in his interview that we did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did an interview with Andy and he talked about how he directed theater.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he directed me in theater.

[SPEAKER_01]: He did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: What did you do with him?

[SPEAKER_01]: A wonderful painter played called the birthday party.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thank you, Andy, because I won the award in Los Angeles for the performance.

[SPEAKER_04]: So congratulations, Armin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was it was it was it was a combination of me and and what Andy gave me as a director.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've read somewhere that Andy was awarded.

[SPEAKER_02]: He also got an award, right, Robbie?

[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about it on our interview.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you're a patron, you can hear these interviews.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're still there, they're all there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he talked about in the interview that when he won an award for the birthday party, I think he won a director award.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a drama-log award or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he showed that to he had talked to Rick Murman about directing.

[SPEAKER_00]: and it was that production I think maybe Rick saw it or read about it and that was a big part of Andy getting an opportunity to direct DS9 which is massive because he's not a series regular as well if you think of it that way so it's pretty amazing for him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And though, Andy Robinson's character, Gerek felt like a regular character.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he sure did, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: He sure did.

[SPEAKER_04]: It, you know, it's just like not having Sirrock in this episode to not have Andy in this episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's still feel, I mean, there's episodes where all of us are light.

[SPEAKER_04]: If I watched the show and, you know, was the first time, I would consider him a regular character because he's just part of [SPEAKER_04]: The promenade, he's part of the station.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's part of that whole lore of what's going on in our community.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what your show did really well was create a sense of community that all of these recurring characters did feel.

[SPEAKER_01]: important.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because we boldly stayed in one place.

[SPEAKER_01]: We move around.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so the people that lived on the station that were important to the station to the stories had more opportunity to recur over and over again.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the writers became very interested in those characters and began to develop them as if they were series regular.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very smart move on their part.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, uh, guest stars, Rosalind Chow, as Kaco Brian, Mary Kay Adams, as Brooke Joseph Ruskin, as Tumek, yeah, film Morris, film Morris, as the Klingon GQ model, faux-pock.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was terribly good looking.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, typically when you throw an actor into Klingon makeup, it just changes everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: But with Phil Morrison there, he was a good looking Klingon.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've just, the best looking on I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would have to say so.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say the obvious everyone knows this probably that Phil is Greg Morris's son, Greg Morris from Mission Impossible.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Greg and well, all of them, and Joe, Joe is one of my mentors.

[SPEAKER_01]: I Joe is one of the people that formed my ethos about life, about living, Joe's, Joe Ruskin is fast away now, was indeed a great, great, great man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Mary Kay Adams.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in love with Mary Kay Adams.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they're all fine too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: So working that episode was just a joy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I bet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she's gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wish they would have been just a tiny bit smaller for her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Phil Morris for a second.

[SPEAKER_02]: If no, I already wax poetic about his good looks underneath that.

[SPEAKER_02]: clinging on makeup.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Robbie and I had the chance to interview.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've we've had it film more us on this show.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was on the original series in one of the episodes as a kid with his sister.

[SPEAKER_02]: The original Star Trek series.

[SPEAKER_02]: The original Star Trek series and he was telling us some of the behind-the-scenes there and it was [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome, eye opening, and again, another interview that we have on Patreon, so check it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there in the library.

[SPEAKER_02]: Are there in the library?

[SPEAKER_02]: On down people.

[SPEAKER_02]: You will be amazed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Phil and I had the great pleasure of doing a sign-fled episode together.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: trivia.

[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of doing an episode of DS9 based on C.

Rednode de Befraak was Michael Dorns evidently.

[SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[SPEAKER_02]: This episode has the longest title of any DS9 episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a long title.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very long title, my goodness.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Sarak Lofton does not appear in this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every barely makes it as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_04]: And same with Renee.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was very quick.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Was it just that once he was there, when he comes in and says, is it contagious?

[SPEAKER_02]: And when you talk about Parmach, right, you say that to Warf.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he literally had the smallest part in that episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, then Renee because he has that short scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just the one scene with Kira.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, jumping in we're in the corridor, but she's walking down the corridor.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will point out that if you look behind the sheer down the corridor as it curves.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little dark break, and then the rest of the quarter.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's because it's a photo backing.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a real long quarter because it's like what they do in the Jeffree's twos or some of those sets.

[SPEAKER_00]: They put a photo backing to make it look like it goes much further.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was it that obvious?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did it stick out?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you could see the break in the dark, how the floor sort of ended in darkness, and then got light again, and that's what the photo is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the telltale sign?

[SPEAKER_02]: If it gets a little dark, then light again?

[SPEAKER_00]: Usually it's the floor, the ground will give away set extensions of green screen extensions.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to look at something else as well when people go back and watch this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because Andy is indeed a great theater director.

[SPEAKER_01]: This episode in my mind is directed by someone who is a theater director and not a TV director, not putting Andy down.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different point of view.

[SPEAKER_01]: A most of the shots are two shots compared to other episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot less close-ups in this episode than there are on others.

[SPEAKER_01]: Andy has a theater director wants to see the whole scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so if it's a two character scene, he has both characters in the frame.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that happens a great deal in this episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you see in real time the reactions rather than piecing them together.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a theater director's point of view.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see the the whole front.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see the stage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, there are close-ups.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: But not as many.

[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's interesting you bring that up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I experienced when I was watching your play, just recently, Armin.

[SPEAKER_00]: that I I was aware that I was choosing what I was watching as the audience you can choose oh I want to watch kitty and just she's reacting but I'm watching her work and then you know that's a wonderful thing about theater just to remind everyone like go to the theater you get to pick your own edit you're not spoon fit the close-ups you get the two [SPEAKER_00]: You watch and what character you want to follow is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's fun to go more than once.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to see the same performance twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Support the theater.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Bashir's walking down this corner with the photo backing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he hears him.

[SPEAKER_00]: some arguing or something we we can't tell who it is really but he stops he's trying to ease drop a little cork pops out a little this is my Terry we established him as a busy body before does he even he is Mrs.

Crabbit he is in this episode yeah nosy parker oh my god nosy parker he tries to ease drop cork catches him but your ask cork can you hear what they're saying [SPEAKER_00]: like quarks response.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, how could I not in quarks right there with the past years?

[SPEAKER_00]: And can hear every word quarks says she's angry and he's trying to run her life basically and then Kako appears.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we realize it's not Kako and Miles are doing quarks says it's the other [SPEAKER_04]: great line my I loved when quarks said this I loved it so much when bishier first asked quark what are they saying quarks says let's use a little discretion shall we which is like what is now he wants to be a description it made me laugh out loud it made me laugh out loud it was in it was [SPEAKER_04]: Armin, you're just always spot on.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love watching your work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Neeterra.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're arguing about her spring ball racket and we can tell in this scene that she wants to just act like normal and miles just trying to control her and make sure this pregnancy goes smoothly.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't want to play spring ball, but now the cake goes there, Quarks says the show is over and they're going to get into their feelings and [SPEAKER_00]: Have their share our feelings talk quarks.

[SPEAKER_00]: So shows over show is over.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she's a little disappointed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I mean good.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says Very very cute scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the replamette next we see DAX and warp discussing opera clean on opera [SPEAKER_00]: I will give my two cents about Clingon Opera.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like Clingon music.

[SPEAKER_00]: I never do whenever they play it or sing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I find it very unpleasant.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's the point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you like opera, regular opera?

[SPEAKER_00]: I can appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say that I like it a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I was in high school, a local theater director asked me to be the lighting designer for the opera company in Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to be the lighting designer when I was in high school.

[SPEAKER_00]: for an opera production.

[SPEAKER_02]: And really appreciated it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just say one thing on the prior prior scene that we moved on from the corridor scene, I just want to say with the superior hearing capabilities of Faranghi.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like every alien secretive organization, like the obsidian order, has one Faranghi in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every unit has to have a fringy, is there secret hearing weapon, they can hear things that no one else can.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Garrett, that was something over the course of the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had hoped that they would take advantage of, and they rarely did.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is an often mentioned, but but on occasion, it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can hear everything that's going on in a room, and no matter, you know, even very far away.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even though our men couldn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, but I always thought that was a, you know, superpower that they could attend.

[SPEAKER_01]: And missed opportunity.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they never really didn't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can I say one thing about opera when Max was like eight, we found a program at the Philadelphia Opera House and we started going on Sundays and I would read the libretto to Max and we did this for years and [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, I loved it so much.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did Max enjoy it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he'd dress up.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was really an amazing experience and not something.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to see one opera as a kid, as a school kid.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was like something you signed up to go see.

[SPEAKER_04]: Set design were remarkably modern or just very interesting how they got creative.

[SPEAKER_04]: And every year there was one in English and it was like, [SPEAKER_04]: it just wasn't the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: It needs to be in, you know, it's an alien or German.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it just sounds so simple and English and it sounds so much more beautiful and I don't know if people feel that way when they're not, when it's just not your native language, does it sound better?

[SPEAKER_01]: I speak several, or try to, anyway, I try to speak several romantic languages, which I can't command right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You do?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're amazing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Italian is the most beautiful sounding language I have ever experienced.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a beautiful, just the sound of it is just terrific.

[SPEAKER_01]: French is a little bit more staccato, and German is actually rather ugly language, but forgive me for all you Germans out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Italian is malifless.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, ooh, nice word.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, mulliffless.

[SPEAKER_02]: Terry called arman amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call arman blorius, which is more on point for this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love letter to you today.

[SPEAKER_02]: We do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to I want to more of these.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so they're in the replamette, and we basically learn Warf is very traditional, and Dax is kind of surprised, because he was raised so non-traditionally, but he's clingy to his old ways of traditional opera.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we start to see that Dax has some subtext going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: She likes a man with contradictions.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's very good at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: From the very beginning, it's a wonderful stuff that you're doing there, Terry, because you're saying one thing, and yet we can see in your eyes where your mind is at.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dad's acting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Worf's looks over.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a cling-on-warp woman come out with two cling-on guards with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: A beautiful cling-on woman says that she is glorious.

[SPEAKER_00]: Worf is just blown away.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Dax follows as well, which is a nice little runner coming up.

[SPEAKER_00]: She...

[SPEAKER_00]: is not really happy about him just popping away, but she follows, and they head out to the promenade, we're spying on her DAX pops in.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like that theatrical staging with DAX popping in super cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then not realizing she doesn't have the right view.

[SPEAKER_02]: It pops from the other side of the screen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that was Andy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, but it was so natural.

[SPEAKER_00]: More armen love here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Armen, you've done that recently.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some episodes where you pop in, you pop into the scene, you say something, and then you drop down out of a frame.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've done it twice recently.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to the bar.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was when you would put the commercials, the quarks commercials on the Rumplamat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Quarks is great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's all.

[SPEAKER_00]: That thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And not a quarks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Kira's very, she threatens you.

[SPEAKER_01]: What else is new?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: This jump around warf to see get a view was also very similar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very similar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're watching Grilka, you move closer, and we see that Grilka heads over to Quark.

[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like they might fight for a moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And instead, they hug.

[SPEAKER_00]: very affectionately and then DAX remembers oh that's quarks that's why.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was extraordinarily happy to see Mary Kay Adams said we had had a wonderful time in the previous episode she is just a incredibly nice and wonderful person of very good actress as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's quite extraordinary in this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: The hug is genuine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually an arman-marry K enthusiastic, more so than Rokan and Kork, which is one of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, we've definitely felt it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like man.

[SPEAKER_02]: It worked.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, it was an ad on, not a disc.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was an ad on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, DAX remembers that after this hog, oh, that's Quark's X-wife.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Worf grumbles.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is not happy about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look at his face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Inside Quark's Quark gives her a drink.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Quark teases a little about Worf's prune juice.

[SPEAKER_00]: You bring a little sprune juice here.

[SPEAKER_00]: She tastes your cocktail.

[SPEAKER_00]: Says it's delicious.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she shares the war, this war clinging on Federation War has cost her house a lot of money and he offers to look at her books and help.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she agrees.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's very grateful about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thelpock pops in here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we play the game, which I thought was very good writing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a game.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is what she's come for, but she's not going to say it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that that's what she's come for.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't embarrass her in front of the other two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kling on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if this is what you want, if I know you're here on a social visit, he says, uh, but if he want me to take a look at it, I will.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this way, we get around any onus from Phil's character, uh, not the Joe would have any problem, but, uh, but Phil's character.

[SPEAKER_01]: Philp, I wasn't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Philp, I was really respectful.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: You treated her.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if she weren't a Kling on, I would say, and she was a human, I would say you treated her like a lady.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, Quark is very respectful and interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell all the subtexts.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you can tell that the two of you have an understanding or a chemistry or you can communicate with subtext with each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good writing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thopock does walk up to tell Quark at the very end and he says, help, grow, and you live.

[SPEAKER_02]: fail, and I will kill you myself, which made me think if we were meeting with the CPA about our taxes and if they didn't do it right, we killed, I mean, just made just very funny to me that that's the way the Klingon's work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, unlike your CPA analogy, there is, forgive me, there is racist tension here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, that here's a clean-on who doesn't like for Rengue.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is all through the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: As I'm watching it, I see the prejudice from several people.

[SPEAKER_01]: But certainly, this is one of the things that I think motivates though pocket this moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things I think that was missed in this episode is that we are in a war with the Clingons, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're walking around, nobody's paying any attention.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no tension to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That they're a Clingons on the station.

[SPEAKER_01]: There shouldn't be.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a war going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they may mention of that though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Dax that's something in the beginning about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, she does things must be better.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a group.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bit of a ceasefire and some negotiations going on.

[SPEAKER_02]: So are you thinking when they come on the station, people should be kind of giving them a bit of a double take because they are the enemy, you know, we're in the, in the most, we have most tension with the clingons at this point in this series, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: There should be some acknowledgement of that is what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps in the missing scene is that perhaps they should have been met by Odo or someone to to make sure that there's no cost.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Good idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Though Park threatens Quark there at the end and we go up to Obstacks and War for coming up the lift, Dax is telling War fall about Quark's marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did notice in this scene when you guys landed Terry that the over-the-shoulder your arms were down and on your coverage your arms were up.

[SPEAKER_00]: and maybe because I'm a director, those little continuity errors to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I forget that's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I stop listening to you out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does pull me out.

[SPEAKER_04]: It pulls me out and shows, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that usually the script supervisor is the one that points that out and then the script supervisor will say, Oh, we've already shot this side and your arms were crossed or already shot your arms are down because that took me out a little bit from listening and just for people watching, you know, that maybe you've experienced that as well, like you noticed those things and it just takes you out a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the scene, we learned that Quark bragged that he killed Grilka's ex-husband, even though it was really an accident, he sort of took credit for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And since she couldn't lead her house, she quickly married Quark and kept control of her house through him because she couldn't run it at the time by herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: But eventually she convinced the council to give a real control and then divorced Quark on the spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Worf hears all this backstory and says Quark [SPEAKER_01]: He's quibbling about my honor when the reason he can't have Grok is that he's dishonorable.

[SPEAKER_01]: His house is dishonorable.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's about to jump into the frying pan.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: The next explanation is pretty much just a synopsis of the prior episode that we saw.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have to see everything in detail.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's interesting that they would repeat all that stuff because the fans already know that in a way, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not all the fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not all the fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is syndication after all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they could jump.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's episodes air them in different order, things like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, that episode is called House of Quark.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's important.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Dax mentions here that Wurf has Parmach.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, showing Dax knows all about the Clingons.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's an honorary Clingon, basically.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she mentions this Parmach, and that's when Cisco arrives with a baseball, and he asks his Parmach contagious.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, no, it's just love.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it means with aggressive overtones.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like the little detail.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a question for Terian Robbie on this.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to me, Avery tosses the ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a cut.

[SPEAKER_01]: Teri catches the ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't we watch the ball arc over to?

[SPEAKER_01]: I know Terry can catch the ball, so that can't be the problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you cut in the middle of that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you cut from one to the other?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a technical reason is that you would have to light one direction and then turn and light the opposite.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you'd have to light two sides at once, which might have been more difficult.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked to Jonathan West about that yesterday about, you know, lighting for just lighting one direction.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's much faster than if you have to pan all the way to the other side.

[SPEAKER_01]: And could not that have been shot as a two or a two shot or a three shot?

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: But you might have had to be pretty far away to get the whole thing too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Which might have looked funny to jump from the two shot of me and warf to all the way over.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that your point though, their arm and is a good one, is that sometimes when you've got action happening between one side of the set and the other, it's better to be wide and see the whole action.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little more awkward to cut that ball mid-air.

[SPEAKER_00]: It can lead to kind of a missed-timeed feeling, even if we can't put our finger on why it feels.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I felt that was a strange cut right there.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it didn't like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like it was no more than a foot apart.

[SPEAKER_04]: The two actors would maybe Yeah, it also couldn't have been like over a very shoulder tossing it to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, me and Warf, every tossing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seemed like a strange cut to cut in the middle of the ball action.

[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't feel quite timed correctly or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe they had to cut it that way because it didn't really work the other way.

[SPEAKER_04]: They shot it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe what we're talking about ended up on the editing floor to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, [SPEAKER_00]: Dax says, well, strange things have happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax stands up for Quark in this scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: What thinks it's a marriage of inconvenience is what he says.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she says, well, may not be a marriage of convenience.

[SPEAKER_01]: It may not have been that convenient for Quark.

[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for standing up for him.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm grateful that gave me those words because I would.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the infirmary, Bashir is giving Miles a mask to help cure a sneezing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like when when column tried the mask.

[SPEAKER_00]: He gave it a give it a time sneezed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir offers to play, you know, invites Miles to play World War II basically on the holiday again.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're usual [SPEAKER_00]: And Miles says, no, he can't, he's got to deal with the cure stuff and the pregnancy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But sure, let's it slip, he knows that they're fighting, he and Kira, and Miles says, oh, you know about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like Bashar going, well it's a small station.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, no, it's actually a really big station.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wears his sweatshirts.

[SPEAKER_04]: I totally laughed, of course it's huge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a huge station.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bashar gives him some herbs for swollen ankles.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we see that he's a bit of a hypocondriac that miles has all these concerns.

[SPEAKER_00]: Soul and ankles, the sneezes, and miles even knows that the herbs last time [SPEAKER_00]: uh...

didn't agree with her and but she was like wow you know everything he'd and then miles left to slip while was helping her out of the tub which is a little intimate for friends but she was very surprised that they're that familiar miles says they're very mature adults they're just trying to have a baby together were just being mature adults that's all [SPEAKER_01]: Sure us did you learn lines blurry blurry but she is like an eighth grade boy right now What is he's used for the best year but the shears in reality married to the pregnant woman So I enjoyed it a great deal because The same says yeah, did you look you know is coming maybe from Bashir maybe maybe that's coming from [SPEAKER_04]: same with the ease dropping at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a little kind of parallel to yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, reality.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it, but she heard the ending because you probably looked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: He also asked for a cream for her rash, too, didn't he?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Behind her thigh, it was like, how would you see that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we get from this scene that Miles O'Brien is intimately involved with Kira and Ries.

[SPEAKER_00]: And unaware that any of this could be inappropriate.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's just completely unaware.

[SPEAKER_02]: We go to quarks next.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, what a scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: This scene made me laugh so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously wearing quarks, wolf comes in, decides he's going to make this huge, clinging on, uh, spectacle in order to get, yeah, to get the interest of Groka.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's, so the first thing he does, he walks up to mourn.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who we love, we love mourn.

[SPEAKER_02]: And literally says you're sitting in my seat, and just throws him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like WWE wrestling style thrown through the air at Marthellus Shepherd double was that smart or someone else you think [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go out on a limb and say I don't think it was Mark because it because she was licking of the glass and all that business.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen Mark be that animated.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a stunt double then.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was like maybe a bit with a glass and what if Andy gave him that business to do that's also very much like a [SPEAKER_02]: They would have had to found a stunt double that was exactly Mark Ellen Shepherd's dimensions because I'm sure they don't have four or five more in suit sitting there, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's got to be maybe not.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hilarious, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what's missing is Mark hitting the floor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should have had a sound of.

[SPEAKER_01]: But some of the least is sound.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, even if we didn't see it, it should have heard him.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if it is Mark, they didn't even want to give him that.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's armament.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not even an impact sound.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: It became cartoonish to me because I didn't hear a reality, a real sound, a falling.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just cartoonish to me and you're at so funny armament, they didn't even give him that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That may be laugh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, Warf is trying to make this huge ovation towards Groke, he talks about, what is that smell?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a pile of rotting foreshack, which is clearly some type of cling on something?

[SPEAKER_02]: But, it does kind of get their attention.

[SPEAKER_02]: He turns around and he challenges Thopak.

[SPEAKER_02]: He tells him, you should stand while I'm talking to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing starts to escalate and it is [SPEAKER_02]: It is actually two Mac, who sort of brings everything down.

[SPEAKER_02]: He says, come here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Warf, son of moke, come join me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they have their little private conversation after the sophomore war for war.

[SPEAKER_01]: The dignity of Jill Ruskin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's saying that is Joe Rusk, the dignified people that I ever knew.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is why they hired him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a small thing, but for me, very touching, very touching.

[SPEAKER_01]: To see my old friend be actors he normally did, an incredibly noble person.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's so great about his, his, you know, the way he plays Clingon, armen to me, is that he doesn't lean into the caricature of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You see it?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying there's no, with him when he speaks, it's nice show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Joe's acting, if you watch the many things that he's done, is always a lesson in less, no less and gets away with it less, less is more for Joe and he works perfectly for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he allows his voice, which is just resonant to just be what it should be.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Michael on Sarah was that way, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a depth, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I think it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: The soulful depth is coming through.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he pulls Warficide and has this conversation about Warficide that he didn't mean to disrespect anyone and took Max like, no, you didn't show any of that, but I don't think you guys would have been a good match.

[SPEAKER_02]: Warficide, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, have you ever pursued a Klingon women?

[SPEAKER_02]: And Worf says no, which is not entirely true because I think the mother of his child is half Klingon from TNG.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not true.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Susie Plexon, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Plexon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Plexon.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just love the fact that too much pulls him aside.

[SPEAKER_02]: Explain to him the whole situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: and at the end raises his voice, and he says, it is the wish of Lady Groka that you have, that you leave us now, son of Mogh, and do not return, so he goes back here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's all for Malibu, of it, all.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all about his, that Worf's house has been shamed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and so it's never going to get a chance.

[SPEAKER_03]: Never, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she'll never mate with him, your house is shamed, and you know nothing about our clingon culture and our women, you've been raised by humans, [SPEAKER_00]: it'll never happen.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he said it in such a stoic way that it wasn't like a slap in the face.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a gentleman's offer to save his dignity and just move on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that war of could save, you know, face.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you 100% Terry, and I think there was a slight problem with that, not with the performance, but if you can imagine any other thing on saying it, you can imagine the seriousness of that being, the story of all that, yes, that kind of performance, Joe does not work that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't, the victim at the end that, you know, ladies and gentlemen, Grylka doesn't want to see you anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would have not seemed so different than everything else.

[SPEAKER_01]: if indeed he had done it the other way I'm agreeing with Joe that he had that he did right but but I can almost hear the writer saying why didn't he do it this way it's because they claim they yeah the way other claimants would do it I'm sure Andy's explaining because it was just a better performance this way but it does seem a little out of left field that last part as though something happened and he changed his tone of voice [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was surprised that it wasn't traditionally clinging on the way he was sharing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was very respectful.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says to a dwarf, there's no shame that you haven't did.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I liked it because I wouldn't have liked dwarf to feel, I mean, he's already putting himself out on a limb that he's just Gaga over her.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just, I, it made me feel better that it was the way it was.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: To your point, Armin, I think that often there's missed opportunities in playing Clingons grounded.

[SPEAKER_00]: and simple, that this kind of bombastic, you know, over the top, quite out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's almost like the lady-dough protest too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like they're not as strong as they really are.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to pretend to be strong.

[SPEAKER_00]: What I love about Joe is he was strong in a very simple way.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was not [SPEAKER_00]: bombastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a nice color that we don't often see from clingsons.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see them work.

[SPEAKER_04]: They rounded.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the unicorn of clingson scenes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so rare to see a de-escalation of tension amongst guns.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's completely here in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the column confidence is so powerful and you feel that with Joe's performance here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we go to the mess hall next and the mess halls on the defiant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not the replamette, the mess hall.

[SPEAKER_04]: I liked how they showed the defiant docked on the outside right before we cut to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was, I just thought that was cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like it when they have those exteriors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Warf is living on the defiant.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we're there.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the mess hall.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Warf says he feels like a fool.

[SPEAKER_00]: DAX wonders if he's more ashamed that he doesn't know about Clingon women and then quirk arrives and wants some DAX advice.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks that he and Grilko have something really special.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Dax's advice is just take it slow.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's classic cling-on rituals, and they take time and Dax mentions in here.

[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks it's just for sex and how well finish that word used in Star Trek.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to be that direct about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just bring light to Arman's entry in scene?

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, thanks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Arman, you're entering the scene was great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because of just the way Warf treats you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's like, what do you want?

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, I want to talk to DAX.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that's all right with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you're delivery of bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was on the floor.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, thank you for standing up to him number one.

[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you for the just timing of it all.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not about you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for myself and for my character, I mean, how much abuse can you take after four years?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't blame you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't blame you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good job for the entry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, while Dax is giving quarks some advice, war off by himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's angry that quarks going to have dinner with Grylka.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's not just, it's like a, a private dinner.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a very private dinner.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited about it for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or if it's not excited, I mean, cork, you, I mean, cork.

[SPEAKER_02]: Armon, you know, as a casual character, I just called you.

[SPEAKER_02]: cork, you know, you know, that at this point that, [SPEAKER_02]: He is also in love with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it might do.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't know this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought when he set a very private dinner that he was purposely rubbing that in.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, he's not a property.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's sharing with the only person that treats them like an equal.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's sharing with the fact that, you know, he might get lucky that night.

[SPEAKER_01]: God, yeah, that's just that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You would be sharing with you and Dax.

[SPEAKER_01]: Warp has nothing to do with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Warf, who cares?

[SPEAKER_01]: I've ordered about, told him off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Warf jumps in to this advice while Dax is trying to give some advice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Take it slow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just be yourself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be respectful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Warf is like, wait a minute.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knows that she's from the Mechravak region.

[SPEAKER_00]: So warf's like trying to, you know, think about.

[SPEAKER_00]: clever ways to deal with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, it kind of feels like warf is remembering this out loud, not with the intention of helping quirk, but sort of one of those things that you're like, hey, like I think he's still in his head trying to figure out, it's sort of like what he would do to quirk her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if we had played that, [SPEAKER_01]: And I could have said, I heard what you said.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, but I just whispered it, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he talks about her family from the Mecherva region.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's this elaborate tradition about a fresh leg of Linga has to be fresh.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so Quark hears this.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, well, what if that doesn't work?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jack says, well, doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then her guards may shatter every bone in your body.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I like your response at the end there, Armin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way of telling the audience, this isn't just about sex.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't give me much, but that's one of the times where I could just say, no, I'm really interested.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if it means that, then I'm happy to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, in a sense, plays into the Serenotabershire Act plot on.

[SPEAKER_01]: It does, and I'm a braggled little in my youth.

[SPEAKER_01]: I played Serena.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh, I didn't think of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You would be a great Serena.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see you soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you are.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my goodness.

[SPEAKER_02]: Armin and Robbie, do you remember the one time when we were talking?

[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie and I were saying, Armin, have you ever played in a romantic role?

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember what we were talking about the other day?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is, and you said no.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like this is kind of, [SPEAKER_01]: you know, because it's because Cirono never gets the girl and we were talking about kisses and stuff like that we're just a kissing for Cirono in this and Cirono.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, but at the end of that, a court did get no key at the end of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: You look at E, yes, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I lied.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I lied.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not a traditional romantic lead, but you've got a romantic story.

[SPEAKER_04]: You did.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like that you're a character that you and Grilke are working Grilke have history.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's something kind of great about that, because even though the situation wasn't romantic, you still took care of her honor.

[SPEAKER_04]: by marrying her.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's something in that that is powerful for grilled meat.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And for your, I wish you had been on the writing team.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm good at brainstorming that I'm really good at.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the, one of the thoughts of our writing team was there were no women on the writing team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't have any women, did you?

[SPEAKER_01]: We have laser clink.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have laser clink.

[SPEAKER_04]: Probably.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Laura.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: A woman with her husband.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't in the room.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, there should have been a woman in the room.

[SPEAKER_04]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: How about a couple?

[SPEAKER_04]: A few.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: This scene made me feel so uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this uncomfortable scene in Kira's room.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's getting what begins as an ankle massage.

[SPEAKER_00]: What did that remind you guys of?

[SPEAKER_02]: That initial tableau of what you see.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a prior episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anthony and Cleopatra, I don't know, our men Bashir when she is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was alone whenever heard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she's laying on exactly and that thing when it when it wall turns around, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's getting an income massage from Miles O'Brien.

[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, as we've talked about, my notes here is just an awkward massage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's in here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Intimate.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it might occur sort of lose themselves in it, and Kiko pops in a couple of times doing housework and is oblivious.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's my summer if the whole thing is just.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, this was uncomfortable for Terry and I, and as I'm watching that scene, I think it's uncomfortable for the two actors as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, who is a wonderful actress, I don't think she gave herself, and I don't blame her.

[SPEAKER_01]: she gave herself over to this either.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's acting that she's enjoying it, but I think she's not really the actress isn't enjoying it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, as he gives her massage, he moves up her leg a little further.

[SPEAKER_00]: He moves to her back.

[SPEAKER_00]: They end up close to each other talking about Ireland and how they'd like to go to Ireland and cure what would like to go with him and they suddenly both [SPEAKER_00]: feeling romantic feelings, and we shouldn't be.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an awkward story to play.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is, yeah, this my missing scene has to do with this, but also noting that she no longer calls him chief, she calls him Miles, which is a big tell.

[SPEAKER_04]: do you think it would be less awkward if the scene began with her in her work uniform but her pants rolled up that he's massaging her feet that way and so it's not an anything like that maybe everyone would have been at ease at that point oh okay he's just she's but I think they're making an awkward purposefully of course yeah they're doing an unpurpose but yeah I think that whatever her maybe not her uniform certainly it's a [SPEAKER_04]: But not in a pajama.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not in a pajama.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a little shame.

[SPEAKER_00]: What are the negligee?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a short silky night gown to this thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: In a very pregnant with a very pregnant woman.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And someone who's not her significant other.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know when I was an actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I would get a scene or I get a director coming over within a adjustment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't agree with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't agree with a scene or I had a director say, hey, this time try the blah blah blah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would just go, [SPEAKER_00]: Great, okay, and I would ignore it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would ignore the note, or I would see a scene and I would go, this is horrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is not good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like the direction of the story or the things they have my character doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would, this is gonna sound bad, but I would almost purposely tank it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would almost choose to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not taking that note because I don't agree with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have the argument.

[SPEAKER_00]: This seems like a scene, my point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the actors liked this scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they like this story generally.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt a bit like whether it was conscious or unconscious, they were sort of not supporting supportive of this story, didn't feel like they were.

[SPEAKER_00]: Committing to it, giving it any extra work.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen actors when I'm directing do that, if I will say, hey, let's try it and go, uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we do another take and they did not make it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, I know what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've been there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to give Kudos to Rosalind Chow.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also I thought that the way they felt caught when she comes in was too big because I didn't believe that Kaco wouldn't have recognized that awkwardness that her husband like hands off like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So something obviously transpired, which I would have picked up on, I don't [SPEAKER_04]: And, I think, unfortunately, two four k-go's character generally you saw them fighting, bickering, a lot of the times, a lot of the times you didn't see them in a happy relationship.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, I think there was also a, for me, uncomfortable feeling as an audience member that I was really happy for O'Brien, [SPEAKER_04]: to be happy and relaxed and they seemed in the scene like, oh, it's sweet, but I felt kind of dirty and bad feeling that because it's kind of set up that way because their relationship had so much strife about her wanting to leave the station about, you know, all of these things that made her life cakeos life more difficult.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just it was a joy to see him in a happy relationship.

[SPEAKER_04]: But not the right one, like I wanted to see that between Caco and a Brian more often because they were the couple on the on this station and it's too bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this whole B story to me just just doesn't resonate well and I had a little bit of trivia regarding the B story, although the A story in this particular episode was a big hit with fans.

[SPEAKER_02]: of the B story involving Obrion and Kira.

[SPEAKER_02]: According to more, quote, that was one of the most real storylines we've ever done.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were flesh and blood people in a very believable situation, reacting believably.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so sorry, but except for Caco, I just don't believe that she'd be that oblivious.

[SPEAKER_04]: Supportive yes, because her baby and O'Brien's baby are in Kira.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ron's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a very interesting story if they've given it more time and really let's rest the [SPEAKER_00]: how complicated life can get and how the nuance of these things.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was not executed in a nuanced way or or a complicated way.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was dealt like it was a be a simple B story, a two-dimensional B story and it's much more complicated.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they showed it was complicated between Cara and O'Brien when this tension gets created because of their situation.

[SPEAKER_04]: But again, [SPEAKER_04]: and cakeo because of this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really think that if there were a scene where the two of them talked about [SPEAKER_04]: boundaries or whatever, maybe.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, we'll get to that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about that there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to the bridge of the defiant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kling on opera is playing through the calm system and warf is singing and dancing along with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I don't love.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, how, how, how.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just no, how, how.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not so favorite music.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't that bad for me to be?

[SPEAKER_04]: I love it for war, but I don't care for that music either, but I love it for Worf's character to for him to be lost and loving it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was good for his character.

[SPEAKER_02]: Am I the only person to think it sounded nice?

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it sounded bad at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did like it, but that's neither here nor there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's alone on the ship, oftentimes when we're hearing music, we get caught up in that in memories that flood our brains about, we don't even know what the specifics are, but we know the music moves us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes when we're in a certain mood, certain types of music moves us more than other times.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so whatever the opera singer is singing seems to move worth because it's imitating what he's going through or what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that I thought was really quite good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, me too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I liked Michael and the scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't love the music, but that doesn't [SPEAKER_04]: Like that doesn't mean that what it doesn't like it doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't mean anything, but I did very much enjoy watching Michael Doran's character.

[SPEAKER_04]: Worf have this private moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah That's a gift for his character.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well cork arrives apologizes for interrupting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like when he says [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to ask.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll watch some of the singing in Quarks, like I'm not even going to ask.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and you have to understand he's probably heard the singing before he came into the room because of his year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Quark does share.

[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks him for the great advice.

[SPEAKER_00]: It did work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Quark fills him in on all the details of the date and Warf is just living by carelessly through all of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very serious now at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, very sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right out of the [SPEAKER_00]: and Quark says he's close, he needs Warf's help to kind of finish this and Warf agrees in the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can help you.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have we have work to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand why it happens in Serenope because we're is all set up in the play, but Warf doesn't like Quark.

[SPEAKER_01]: so why does he help him there's there's something there has to be a reason about why and and that's missing there and it isn't my close playing something something should have happened to say this is why I'm going to help it because the [SPEAKER_01]: we see throughout earlier on in the episode in the earlier episodes, Warf does not like Quark.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he helping him?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, he wants to get some vicarious thrill out of it, but to help someone he doesn't like, that that's just doesn't make sense to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, they're needed to be a quid pro quo.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like they're needed to be something that Warf needed from you, that it can only get [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and thank Terry, that's brilliant.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you should have been on the writing staff.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what happens in the play, which works so well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what, what, you know, gets from Christian is what was her response?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how did she respond?

[SPEAKER_01]: So that every time, you know, helps Christian, he always gets the playback so that he gets a secondary response.

[SPEAKER_01]: but that never happens in this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Except that it's one time, never reports back to Warf.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: There should have been a sequence of reports.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then you could have built that chemistry and that payoff for Warf of why he's doing this every time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So just something, he gets a report back.

[SPEAKER_04]: For us too, we feel more hungry to find out what's happening next.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not just for court, but for Warf.

[SPEAKER_00]: They do have work to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the Hall of Sweets, and in the Hall of Warriors, the Klingon Hall of Warriors, Kork and Dax, are basically playing Kaelis and Lukara, fighting enemies while Warf sort of paces around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's practicing his fighting with some prompting.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's tries to speak Klingon, and Warf is coaching him, but says, you know, you've got to have the feelings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're saying the words, [SPEAKER_00]: Warfare calls the story of Kaelis and Makara, their epic romance, Quark wants to quit until Dax says, well, the night ended with craze sex, and then Quark says, okay, one more time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of a comedic community to the same.

[SPEAKER_01]: Prior to doing this episode, and I knew that there was a lot of fighting with the bat lift for Quark, Dan Curry and I got together on several occasions, [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he did for you, too, Terry.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he taught me how to use the batlet correctly the way he would use it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Dan Curry was the person who invented the batlet.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've designed it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very grateful for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I practiced for days around my pool with the batlet that day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you take one home?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He gave me one to practice with.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you still have it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, mostly what he taught me to do was to let the weight of the bat lift go where it wanted to go and just to follow.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were very smooth with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the fighting is me.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a stunt there's too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I could see our stunt people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you could.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could tell when first of all my body looks different than hers and her hair is jet black.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think I started to pay more attention to it because Robby, you've mentioned it a few times in other episodes, was that you or was that the stunt double, so I watched more carefully.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just, it's tiny tells, but it's not huge, but there's, you know, but once you are paying attention, you can see it, but you have to be paying attention.

[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely read about Armin doing all this extra practice with the batlet at home, but what was most interesting to me, and I want to ask Armin if this is correct.

[SPEAKER_02]: Shimerman also worked with the MIM artists to help him make it look as if the batlet had a mind of its own at the end.

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember every time the batlet move from warf and cork would allow that movement to sort of move.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was work with the MIM artists [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: As I'm watching the episode and seeing that later in the future, I've seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, how did I do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it wasn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: I remember working with the batleth, I just, there might have been a Myanmar, just there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Am I okay?

[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't remember.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, look great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, you prep for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You clearly did a lot of rehearsals.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to security office next for Renee's residual scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's very frustrated with a Brian that miles is falling behind on all his work.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Kira's defending miles in this scene.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: little two defensive of miles, Odo gets his sister.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bloody, flirting scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Massage, Massage scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: Odo gets suspicious, suggests that she's growing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little too close to miles.

[SPEAKER_00]: She does call him miles in the scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says, no, we're just like family now, but Odo does not buy it.

[SPEAKER_00]: that lies, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which part of his family are you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Sister, daughter, cousin.

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even go to love her, but he just stopped red cousin, which is great.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going on joking about miles and ribbing Kira about what seems to be an affection for miles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let us remember and we've already seen this in a prior episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Odo has a thing for Kira as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, um, this should have hurt him a little.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's another man in your life besides, uh, I would have wanted to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something I felt when I was watching the scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: To your point, I felt like that, that he was hurt with the further investigation, which part?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which part of your family?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was his way of dealing with his heart.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was anger.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anger.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, is what it was that he, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, [SPEAKER_01]: I we all know how much I love Renee.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just thought it was Renee playing the clown, which he's very good at.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and I just thought he was playing the clown in that scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we move on to quarks.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have Thopoc and two Mac there waiting for Grilka.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thopoc is really outraged about quark.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just quark.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's any fringy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for rangy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he does say.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so easy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's disgusted.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not just jealous because I can feel that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to make kind of defense you a bit though in that moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he says, you know, calm down, mind your place.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your little lady's guard, nothing else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't judge her.

[SPEAKER_00]: He defends you.

[SPEAKER_00]: He defends Groka for what I, you know, as he should.

[SPEAKER_00]: He should defend you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they come down the stairs laughing, Groka and Quark.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great laughter, by the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great laughter.

[SPEAKER_04]: Weed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's real.

[SPEAKER_04]: They love to be.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's their real laughter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful.

[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: They come down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Quark admits that he wants to acquire Groka in this moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very for Rangilike.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's turned off by that, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: But then he pulls it back again, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying you're the most valuable thing in this entire sector.

[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially, I find you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm a great, great, I'm able to assess my value better than anyone else.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you're worth more than all the Latin them in this.

[SPEAKER_04]: more than just a one-dimensional for ringing what you did well I've never thought of your character as a one-dimensional character I think he proven that episode over episode over episode over episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much please always it was all my agenda always you know [SPEAKER_01]: I really like Mary Kay, and I had affection for her, not love affection, but affection is friendship, and I wanted to do something really wonderful for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: And not only was Quark wanted to do that, but Armon wanted to do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, I would add your consummate professional, and even if you didn't like her, you would be putting this into the story, that you liked her, just made it easier because you didn't have to work on finding something to like about her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, they toast and as they're toasting each other, growth and quark, thopoc, throes quark, and the table to the ground.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he says I just can't stand for this anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Challenges quirk to the death.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my word.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm surprised that that neither two of them like no grill cause says anything after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you kind of played that too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were like, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're down on the ground and you're looking around like, aren't you going to say something?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you are the lady of the house.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did they cut to grow?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a reaction from grow, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's blank, but it's almost like...

[SPEAKER_02]: It was almost like, well, that's just what happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Klingon culture kind of a look is what I read from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would have been a little stunned.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe she was stunned.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, no, it did kind of look like a cling-on response.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the O'Brien's quarters next.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another awkward scene in an awkward story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Miles' home from work early.

[SPEAKER_00]: He and Kiko start a little...

[SPEAKER_00]: sexy time romance uh cure interrupts this she interrupts a little coldly she's uh she's uh she's trying to be all business here she's going on a trip she's gonna go to beige or for a few days and miles is [SPEAKER_00]: very happy about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: You should do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Go far away.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's relieved.

[SPEAKER_04]: Which is also out of character for how he's been behaving.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's sick.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little sick coming.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I disagree with the run more.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great story.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to treat it with the nuance that it deserves, but this is a strong version of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the gravity that it deserves.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Kiko can't stand this.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, no, no, no, no, you can't just go to Bayesian by yourself.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't go alone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Miles, you're going with her and he says, no, no, I can't possibly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's already set himself up because the scene started with him going, I don't have to work so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: which is antithetical to what Odo says about his missing interaction.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who are we to believe here?

[SPEAKER_04]: Her response is Kiko's, it's sort of like all of her responses to this point could also point to her having an affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why doesn't she give a shit about all of it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, why is she so relaxed and pushing him away, pushing him and carry together, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And if we go back a couple episodes where she insisted that Kira move in with that why she's okay with the fact that Kira's going away for a number of days what happened to that need to be made the baby Yeah Yeah Well, she said she has a book a botanical thing she has to attend so that's why she's sending miles to be close to that baby and is that botanical thing on the station is it on Bayes or where is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't say.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't say.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, there's the thing too, that if this was what you were saying Ron Moore was saying, there is so much that could have made this like, wow, life is complicated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: But those complications don't happen by accident.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have to discuss these kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is not just a...

[SPEAKER_04]: This isn't a real relationship right now, and this is me off, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: The way Kiko's reacting is similar to as if she doesn't care because she has another guy on the side, named Morn, or whoever, but it just still got no sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you don't understand.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's still, you're right on your music.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's confusing, but she's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: What a layer that would have been.

[SPEAKER_02]: That she's got enough air that she's been dealing with, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: My goodness.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for bringing that up.

[SPEAKER_00]: She insists miles go pack your bags.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going with her to Bayjor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy, then also, but a comedy moment, and we're in a sitcom, Miles and Cara, both looks stricken.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the mess all next.

[SPEAKER_00]: Quirk is panicking.

[SPEAKER_00]: Things that he could just win this.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to demand that that they'll pop kill him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they'll pop won't be able to do it because that's dishonorable and worth subs.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not going to work.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me try, but not going to work.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, were they talked about that's what that happened in House of Quark where he did the exact same move there, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the movie he used and it will not work this time.

[SPEAKER_04]: And who saved him?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Herman.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nice detail there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nice intention playing a nice clear intention.

[SPEAKER_00]: We cut to the hall of suite with Dax's idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: We see Quark and Dax are fighting, but now we notice the quarks wearing a Feringy headband back there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Warf is also fighting and he's got some kind of VR device or something on his head.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Quark wins.

[SPEAKER_00]: He defeats Dax, which is crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We realize that Warf is kind of puppeting cork, I guess, with this VR device, and it seems to be working.

[SPEAKER_02]: Armin, I know that you told us that little backpiece on Frankie Heds was used to hide the fact that there's the [SPEAKER_02]: So why, and that you were the only one that had a full back that didn't need to be hidden?

[SPEAKER_02]: So why did they give that to you in this part of the episode?

[SPEAKER_02]: To hide the device?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just the device itself.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, God.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Terry will win in a moment or two.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go behind there and turn it on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the back underneath.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because otherwise the clingons would see it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Quark goes to bed and [SPEAKER_00]: What is it about her?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he tries to describe it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she comments, well, she sounds like a statue, like just some not one real human.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Dax says, you know, you should maybe try to find someone more fun and more attainable.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she's getting pretty, pretty direct about her agenda here.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for someone a little more at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That too is a wonderful line is what and very obvious about what where she's coming from.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like our storyline.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did too.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the three of us that triangle of the three of us, I like it very much.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was really fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to the Hall of Warriors next.

[SPEAKER_00]: Grilka Thopak and Tumak.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tumak are waiting quirk arrives.

[SPEAKER_00]: A nice VFX transition on that door when you come in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm not sure why they needed it though.

[SPEAKER_04]: They wanted it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm not sure why they needed it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm not sure why they needed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm not sure why [SPEAKER_04]: that I have that outfit when I did blood oath for war at the first time.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you looked glorious.

[SPEAKER_01]: You did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: You really did.

[SPEAKER_04]: You looked super great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Bob Blackman.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great outfit.

[SPEAKER_00]: We cut over to the hall of sweet where warf is wearing this VR device.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I made a note that, you know, he could have just put on those Rayban [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they should have been.

[SPEAKER_02]: They should have been.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've already been invented.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's meta version 1,000 at this point, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So if we only knew like all the pads, if we only knew.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Worf's got his VR.

[SPEAKER_00]: His Star Trek VR device on this kind of necklace thing or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dax is there.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says he's in position.

[SPEAKER_00]: And back to the to the Hall of Sweet fight quarks as he's here to win Grilka.

[SPEAKER_00]: very traditional quarks on of kildar why are you here and the swing of the batlet I thought as you're talking there it's a dance curry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Dan clearly good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was you practicing It was me practicing yes by the pool by the pool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it felt like you were by the pool.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a man's whole relax to work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't that a cool pool?

[SPEAKER_00]: So Quark does his fancy twirling of the batlet, the fight begins and Quark immediately is is winning because we're cutting back and forth.

[SPEAKER_00]: We see warf doing moves and and puppeting through this VR thing, Quark's moves.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's winning when suddenly on warf side, his VR glasses get caught in the batlet or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: It breaks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Quark realizes it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's on his own and he screams wait I loved your scream But when you stop the fight, Dax and Warford trying to fix the VR on that side.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's remember that Thopak compliments Quark on on his ability with the bat lift.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a major surprise for him [SPEAKER_00]: Even though in the in the sci-fi story, Michael Dorm's character was supposed to be popping you, you had to make those moves look as good as they were.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's true, 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Quarks says, way, he screams, way, and then he claims the right of proclamation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of the right of proclamation.

[SPEAKER_00]: and he says it's a pharyngey custom.

[SPEAKER_00]: Grilka says, look, he's honored our traditions.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should hear, you know, we should hear what he has to say.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he says the right-to-pocket proclamation is a speech.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to make a speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just very funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just love Joe Ruskin's reading of that line.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never heard of the right of proclamation.

[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it's just so subtle and so simple, but it was so great.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love, I love his speech.

[SPEAKER_00]: It had a lot of Shakespeare influence in your speech there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Big surprise.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you know Shakespeare so well, so well done to you.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can see.

[SPEAKER_04]: as an actor that you're searching for, what to say, but the conviction of what you're saying is like, hmm, so even though when you listen to it, it's like, wasn't quite makes sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: What are these things that you're excited about?

[SPEAKER_01]: You sell it so well.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've done an up Shakespeare in place where I've gone up and I've had to make Shakespeare.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was experienced.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in the middle of this improvised Shakespearean speech about bats of love, hanging in caves, and aquariums, and all of the fertile sand, suddenly you feel the VR come back online and you stop yourself, you're like, okay, enough talking back to the fighting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you quickly win this fight, you disarm a pho-poc, he's down in the ground.

[SPEAKER_04]: I tell Warf, no more showing off this time, just get it over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get it over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get this over.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Warf is like, I wasn't showing them off.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, but again, Kudos to Armin for showing us when he's doing the proclamation, the actual VR working again is that it pulls him over.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we buy it.

[SPEAKER_02]: We buy 1,000 percent on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a slight problem with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we've heard it yet in the episode, but later on, we will get this.

[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to kill Thopak, and because he's furious and has been fighting.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's really not for Angi behavior.

[SPEAKER_01]: For Angi are very proud.

[SPEAKER_01]: I find this out later, so it's sort of, [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I know this thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brandy don't kill other people, other beings.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he wants to kill him at this moment is only stopped by DAX, as I remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: That seems to me like, that's wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: He should [SPEAKER_01]: Threaten him, yes, but, but shouldn't really be eager.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's pulling, I'm pulling against the back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want, I want it to go down.

[SPEAKER_04]: And more, it's not doing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Warf that started.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Warf that started.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Warf that started.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But why does Warf stop it at that point?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he knows that about you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it does, I'm playing it as though I want to kill him and that's wrong, but I didn't know that at the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe that just ignites, you're so ignited with passion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he was trying to kill me, so yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's different if you're defending yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just shoot this episode, Armand.

[SPEAKER_02]: And have you do it again?

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, instead of killing Thopak, you take his batlet, you offer it to Grilka, and she grabs your collar.

[SPEAKER_02]: You grab her, it's hot and...

Ah, well, but then she just charges Thopak, so his honor is satisfied, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Before the grabbing happens.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, here's your batlet, no, get the towel.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the heck out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need some sex at home.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need voles, crazy voles time.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and they grab each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: We cut to the hollow sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dax is disconnecting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Warf, back to the Hall of Warriors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Quar can grow a fall into the floor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very hot and bothered for each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the hollow sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dax gets worth disconnected, but she hasn't get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She speaks cling on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dax and Warf fight.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm starting the ritual.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're starting to start doing the hard it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look, Carl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's Akiyaroos.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's you.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shooter, bat-leth.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm making this happen now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're making it go right into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll throw them to the ground, grabs him by the neck.

[SPEAKER_00]: So both of these storylines are happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: Having the same ending, the hot and bothered ending here.

[SPEAKER_00]: What must a holiday be thinking?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sweet passion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just as Dax brings Worf into her, we cut to the runabout.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say when I first say what I say, I can't find a plan.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: When Worf turned around and realized because he knows as soon as I say that, [SPEAKER_04]: But when he turns and reveals that he gets what's about to happen, I just thought that was such a beautiful, well nuanced moment by Michael Dorn.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was like all the lightbulbs of like, [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: What have I been thinking?

[SPEAKER_00]: What have I been thinking exactly?

[SPEAKER_04]: She's right here.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that was really great because ours has built on friendship.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's very similar, which I think it's really neat.

[SPEAKER_04]: we both have history with each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this isn't coming from wars, like just looking at her being God God.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is about built trust and it's when we get the advice you gave Quark, get to know her to ask, learn about family, learn about her past.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's well earned payoff that's happening right now between Dax and Warf and for the audience too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what's not well earned pay off.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've run up a scene with my skincare.

[SPEAKER_00]: You, they come in in their vacation outfits.

[SPEAKER_00]: He asks about the house.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be staying at.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's got a very funny description of basically the most romantic place ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's done for romance.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh, who didn't want to go there after she described it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was like miserable describing this place.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: sitcomy, but funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they both are miserable thinking about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Miles says, nope.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going.

[SPEAKER_00]: She agrees she's going to go see Shukar.

[SPEAKER_00]: She changes her plans.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go see Shukar.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Shukar.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where's Shukar, Ben?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this whole episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So much for realistic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have a moment where they acknowledge to each other, you know, it would have been nice in another life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's also a moment where they're almost we're miles almost kisses her at that point.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's the one who's holding the boundaries stronger than he is.

[SPEAKER_02]: He sure did.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, after he says, it would have been nice.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not miles.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, yes, northeast.

[SPEAKER_04]: get out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the way she says get out was I think so that felt like the the most real moment in their little storyline.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because there was she was serious.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not funny anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: But she wasn't mean she was firm.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I just thought it was a beautiful delivery.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's so interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just two words.

[SPEAKER_04]: Two words.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it but it was a lot of information and two words.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we're in the infirmary.

[SPEAKER_02]: It cork is completely just worked over.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but he's really beat up.

[SPEAKER_02]: But happy and we have to bring that to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I got to say, Armin, there's a laugh in here that you give when you're like, [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha that that was that hearty lap was the all man it was so good it was a 10 it was an 11 out of 10 in terms of year it just the laughter from Mary Kay Adams earlier coming down the steps when you guys are flirting your laughter at the end here so genuine so lovely and just wonderful and for sure obviously realizes what's been happening and he he doesn't want to hear any of it right he's like oh don't tell me the details [SPEAKER_02]: And at that point, that's when we get to see Dax and Warf come in all disheveled.

[SPEAKER_04]: We need to look even worse than they did.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been worse, yes, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a thing that you do, Terry, that I thought, oh, brilliant, brilliant.

[SPEAKER_01]: After you've come in, and you start playing with the hair, with Warf's hair, oh, I love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I went, oh, absolute.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's brilliant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: New piece of business there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Good piece of business.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it shows intimacy.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly how I love him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, who pulled the hair down?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, great, great scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like the run into, but she asks Quark, and then he goes, no, I don't want to think about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he asks them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stop asking people that question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so orphan decks go over to the bio bed to wait for Bashir.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they discuss what happened a little more privately.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're supposed to get married.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love this thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think they wrote this really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was very sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very easy to play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, traditionally they're supposed to marry now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is worth.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's worth.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it actually wants to take a day by day though.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, neither one of them are very traditional.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the great points of this, and I'll bring this up later.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Dax points out to Wolf that he's not as traditional as he thinks he is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a great learning lesson for one of our characters in our show that he may think that he's the tradition of Klinga.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in fact, he over does at times being the traditional Klinga.

[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks this is the honorable thing to do because that's what Klinga wants to do, but in reality, no, the real Klingons don't really act that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: they give this service to it, but they don't act that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he tries to emulate that behavior always.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the great lessons that Dax teaches worth is that you're not traditional.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not.

[SPEAKER_04]: You weren't raised by Klingons.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I like to when she says he has these questions he wants answered and she's I don't want to answer questions right now because she's in that moment of good place.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah right and when she does say take it one day at a time.

[SPEAKER_04]: It really shows how much more attached warf was than he realized because he says I do not like the uncertainty of that arrangement.

[SPEAKER_04]: One thing's for certain, you've stopped thinking about grill cut.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now this is the healthy grown-up relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he breaks up and I break up.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like I get it.

[SPEAKER_04]: The laugh was great, the two of us.

[SPEAKER_00]: The laughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: His laugh was so hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: All the, again, a grook is laughter, corks laughter, the dax is laughter and warf laughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, warf laughter so hard that when we cut to the space station out in space, you can still hear him laughing.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's how loud it is laughter was.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want to just say to you as actors to just produce a laughter out of nowhere is a really [SPEAKER_04]: appreciate how wonderful it is when laughter sounds natural.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's really no different than the tears.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think people think, oh, it's a laugh.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's really easy.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is if you have another acting partner where you know to tell each other a joke or recalling a funny story, those are necessary things to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I think we did a good job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did a great job, I just had a memory of and I don't remember what scene it was, but we were in the mess hall and the scene started on Voyager.

[SPEAKER_00]: The scene started with some laughter and it's so hard to do you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so Ethan Phillips, every take would tell a joke just before we start.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, every tank of like, what is he going to say this time?

[SPEAKER_00]: What are we going to get this time?

[SPEAKER_02]: We came to the end of this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so exciting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to both arm and enterry for being guest host together, which is so exciting to have to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're together.

[SPEAKER_02]: What is your theme slash less and slash moral for this episode, Robbie McNeill?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, coming off that final sequence in the infirmary where everybody's beat up and I wrote down the path to love can be painful and confusing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, true.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good, that's good, that's good.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Terry, you got one?

[SPEAKER_04]: I do, speak your mind and tell people how you feel.

[SPEAKER_04]: rather than keeping it all shut in because.

[SPEAKER_04]: You never know what the response might be, and it's worth being a little embarrassed and to share your feelings.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, speak up your mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Minds a third cousin to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: My is instead of falling in love with a traditional ideal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, go after someone more suited to your individual taste.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, perfect.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have to.

[SPEAKER_02]: The first one is when it comes to love, sometimes what we are searching for is right in front of us is one.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other one is live in the present and take things day by day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Our Patreon poll winner for the theme moral of this episode is submitted by Andrea May.

[SPEAKER_04]: What we think we want isn't necessarily what we need.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's very, very well said.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is the end of our podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Next time, which is next week, is not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the following week is the next episode that will upload, and that will be Norther Battle to the Strong with Terry and Special Guests, So Rock Lofton.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, that'll be fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are so lucky.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Have a wonderful day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: See you later.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bye.