What's that at the bed.

It's spooky, Hey jooky.

I'm pretty sure it's dead.

It's coming this way.

Wait a minute, I'm ghosted.

I los nandaz.

Plase.

Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that I like about the baron normal.

Oh my god, Paul's sheer is on the show.

Paul freaking' Sheer And guess what, it's twenty twenty six.

Now, Wow, we've made it.

I hope everyone's having a wonderful new year.

We're starting off that's wrong.

And just wait till you see who we got next week.

This is going to be the year of ghost it.

I just know it.

Oh, let me tell you something else.

I gave myself a nice Christmas present this year.

I got a shipment of Sylvia Brown books.

I saw them on eBay.

I typed in Sylvia Brown Books on eBay.

I was like, you know what what row's like for Christmas this year?

And I found a whole a lot of them.

I think there's let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven to twelve Sylvia Brown books with everything ranging from Adventures of a Psychic Psychic Children the Mystical Life of Jesus, oh so many.

You know, I should do some bibliomancy.

Do you know what that means?

That's when you just sort of like open a book and wherever it lands, that's the message.

You have to sort of interpret that message.

Let's do some bibliomancy with Sylvia Brown.

Okay.

This is going to be from her book called Exploring the Levels of Creation, And there's a gorgeous photo of her on the cover.

She's just sort of looking a little Mona Lisa smile and there's stars behind her.

You can tell she's looking at this photographer going, you know your your sister's missing.

Okay, so let's see.

Okay, bibliomancy Sylvia, what message would you like us to have for twenty twenty six?

All right, right here it says, I know that communicating with children in this age group is never easy because of the hormonal changes that are occurring.

Most of the time, the young people in question don't even know what their own bodies are doing.

Wait, what the hell?

As my thirteen year old granddaughter told me the other night, Bagda that's her name for me.

Sometimes I just cry for no reason at all.

Okay, Well that's the message that we got from Sylvia Brown that you know, it's going to be a year of us being in our adolescence having hormonal changes and sometimes we're just gonna cry for no reason.

Thank you, Bagda for giving us that message.

All right, let's go to this conversation with Paul shere.

This this conversation's got it all, honey.

He's just he's such a pro.

This guy knows how to talk and it's good stuff every time.

So let's go to our conversation now with Paul Sheare and with the show.

Oh my god, I'm joined by I feel like it's appropriate to say, uh, podcasting, you know.

I'll take it.

If you say it, I'll take it because when.

You think about it, it's like that's that's an art form that like is in our lifetime and you've been there the whole time.

Yeah, I mean, I think that this business that we're in, you know, when you're performing, you are always trying to find things you have control over.

And for the longest time, I'd be performing it, UCB.

I still perform, you know, out on stage, but podcasting was like the closest way of having that outlet to just get.

Up and do something.

And in the beginning, no one was listening, which was kind of really fun.

You just had this kind of core group and it's grown and grown and grown, and now it's become this giant business.

But I feel like it's just another part of Yeah, you're an actor, you're a comedian, you're a podcast or you direct.

Like it's it's just another like tool that you need to have.

When did you start in podcasting.

Fifteen years ago?

I know that because this is the this month is the fifteenth anniversary of how did this get made?

Which is insane to think about because in the beginning, when we started.

You know, people will be like, wait, what's a podcast?

Of course, oh well, you got to go on the Apple Store and download the podcast app.

It wasn't already in your phone, and then you'd have to search for the show.

And then people weren't listening to it like on their phone, they were listening to it like at their computers at work.

Right, So it felt like you were doing a show and a black box speeder.

Like it just felt like, oh, we can say whatever we want and it's just a good chance to hang out with friends and do bits.

So I love it.

I mean, I don't look at it like it's a job.

I don't look at it like it's anything more than getting a chance to hang out and I don't know, just perform it.

Like again, especially in this moment where I feel like, if you know anything about this industry, it's in this moment of people are like, oh, it's contracting, it's this, it's that, But you get to go make something.

It's the equivalent of like a short film or comedy album that you're making every single week, which is awesome.

It really is.

I love it.

It's like I love it, like truly my favorite.

Well because I'm a phone talker, so I.

Just like, I just like this taw me too.

I realized also it's like where your life kind of like things change up for you too.

So it's like, yeah, I've had more conversations oddly on air of course, than probably I've had on the phone in the last ten years.

Well, it's always like, wait, did I was I have?

Were people listening when I had that conversation or was that one a private one?

Well?

Did you?

Somebody made this joke?

It made me laugh so hard.

Like now that they've added like voice memos on your phone, you're essentially like, well, now I have to listen to your podcast.

Like when you gave me a message.

Yeah, it really does.

People get to that cadence.

It's like all right, So anyway, I'm thinking, like, wow, it's like a three minute long I'm not even used to holding the phone to my ear that long.

To hear the voice smells.

Brought to you by.

My wife, who is the best or I would say easily probably over fifteen years, has never allowed you to leave a voicemail on her phone.

It's always full, and she's like, I don't I don't want it, I don't need it.

I will never listen to it.

So no matter what, there's been moments of things that I needed to get in touch with her, and it's like voicemail is full, and I'm like, that's it, And in a weird way, she's right, like a text, she'll get the text.

I don't need the voicemail and you can see that someone called exactly.

And it used to irritate me so much.

I'm like, why can't I get in touch with you?

But I guess you are and I don't know.

I love that she has just shut down the voicemail option.

I'm remembering right now.

The last time I saw you was we were doing Doug Benson's show at Dynasty's Typeria.

Dush during the night of the storm and that fire started the fire that was.

LA, which was still in twenty twenty five, which is crazy wow.

And I had to leave a little bit early from that show.

Because all of our phones were getting blown up by people that were like, this is real, this is bad.

And I remember driving home and all the traffic lights were out.

Yes, it was.

It was scary because at that point it was more of the windstorm part of the fire.

It was.

It was weird.

I remember driving to the theater.

There's like two nights where I remember like just dead La, but that idea of like driving to the theater and it didn't feel right and we were in there and I was like, Okay, we're going to do this show.

But again I felt like all the audience really did not show up that night.

It was a pretty empty house and that's a big, like telltale sound.

But then you were like, at least in my mind, I'm like, well, they're here, like they deserve a show, like they were not mad at the people who didn't show up, like embrace it.

But my wife is like, why are you doing the show?

Why are you leaving?

Shit's going down, Like you need to be at home, not doing this show.

And of course I did the show, and until it got to the point where my wife's like, everything is out in the house.

I can't find the flashlights.

You need to come home.

And I was like, Okay, are you like a vibe person?

Are you like, uh?

I think so, yeah, I mean in like what way to like in the in the sense that like, I definitely get vibes.

I feel vibes.

I feel like that's like and you can get the vibe of somebody very quickly.

I feel like that's me.

I feel like like from person to person it's one thing.

But like, do you go into a place in your leg bad vibes?

Weird about this room?

I think that room based vibes harder for me to get sure, But if I walk into a party, I'm like, bad vibes.

I can get that.

I can get the energy of people more than the energy of places.

Okay, now that being said, I mean I feel like we're talking about the same thing, which is like, what's the energy coming off of And maybe the energy is coming off of supernatural people.

Yeah, what if it's invisible people.

I'm down.

I'm not.

I am not against it at all.

As a matter of fact, for my friend's bachelor party, we hired ghost hunters to do a ghost rob Yes he was on the show, Okay, yeah, so for his bachelor party, that's what we did.

I well me I did.

I hired this mother and son ghost hunter in OHI and we walked around this house, this big air and b that Airbnb that we rented and.

Was it supposed to be haunted or no?

But we you know, it was like, you know, the thought was maybe we'll figure some stuff out.

Now, I'll tell you the theory that this ghost hunter had, and I want to hear your theory on it, because obviously you have a much larger point of view about it.

This ghost hunter was saying that if you personally have well this that you personally have a ghost that is with you at all times.

So yeah, you might be in a space, but that ghost that is with you is always with you.

So that's what she was working off of the idea, like not that not that like the spaces contained the ghost but the people contain the ghosts.

Yeah, there's a clip of Sylvia Brown doeeh, I won't make you pull it up.

Look, I'm a huge Sylvia Brown.

Fan and everything she says goes for me.

I mean I came home.

I was watching Dona Hu Montell Williams, Sally Jesse Rafael.

I mean she was on and she feels to me.

I grew up on Long Island, and she has a very Long Island energy, like a very like give me a cigarette, I'm gonna tell you, like cigarettes and light beer with a real there's a surliness to her that.

Yeah, but Long Island you have the Long Island medium.

Oh yeah, you can't get more Long Island than that.

Now, the Long Island medium is pretty special.

It's interesting though, right because I'm like, I'm so, here's it.

I'll tell you a little bit of a ghost story that I heard from a medium in Long Island, not the but not the law.

Well, you see, you've taken over the Long I mean that, you know, it's really see.

I think about that all the time, Like I used to be a drag queen that wasn't en route Paul's Drag Race.

So I was like in the field that people only know like the one reality show.

Yes, and I.

Used to say, it feels like being one of the other psychics on Long Island.

I hear what you're saying.

Yeah, right, everyone's like, we know, we know the lady, but you know who's busy, Theresa Caputo.

Right, and that it kind of like devalues you in a way because it's like you're not the you know, it better to be the Baltimore medium, Like move to Baltimore.

Right, That's the thing they got.

If you live in a city where a medium gets a reality show, go to another city, you gotta move.

You got to move because you're never going to be the You'll either you'll always be the other, right.

I mean, now, by the way, that's a great reality show, the other Long Island medium.

That's what I want to know, because you know there's other ones, and you know they got opinions about her.

Oh of course they do.

I mean, like this is my theory and all right, so we're going in because I need to hear, okay, yes about the what did the psychic in Long Island tell you?

Okay, I have two interesting things and I and we'll we're talking about it, all right, so all of it, it's fine.

So she was doing a reading for a friend of mine, all right, and so it was a one on one reading.

They were having a conversation.

But in the middle of that reading, the psychic said, oh, by the way, your sister, this is a message to your sister from your your mom, who's already passed away.

So the psychic was.

Like throwing something to someone that was not in the room, which I never really had heard about like that.

You're like, oh, by the way, as I'm having this conversation, they're telling me pass some information down the.

Line that pissed me off.

I'm like, I'm paying.

Right, well, that's what I'm that.

But then it makes me go, do I believe it more?

Do I believe it more?

Because it's like, yeah, you're paying me, And I'm like, I'm so sorry.

I gotta tell you.

You got to talk to your neighbor about using lawn mower equipment.

I'm not here for that, okay.

And now I will say that the other medium experience I had was yes, I did buy a ticket for Tyler Henry Stop.

Yes, yes, you are the second person in a row that I have talked to that bought a ticket to see Tyler Henry.

My last guest said that too.

Bought a tickets is Tyler Henry.

I love him.

I love Tyler Henry.

Tyler Henry is interesting and I find Long Island Medium interesting for the same reason, which is.

You have to make a show, right are you?

Are you inundated that much like I would almost prefer a show that like, hey, when I get enough, I'll get another episode out, but like you have to do it week after week.

But then I met up with Moby, and I say that like in a way that I'm not ever meeting up with Moby.

And this is a very rare occasion.

Occasionally Moby and I have been in the same space, and I would say that our level of noticing each other because we're both bald men, bald white men, and we have a connection just in general it's bald white men.

We have a secret society that we look at each other, we understand what we've been through.

Wait is Joe Rogan and this though, no, he's a different one, he's a different piece.

He doesn't have a bald energy.

It's funny when you say, Joe Rogan, I don't think of him as a bald man.

I think of him as a shaved headman.

Oh a different thing.

Yeah, that's not.

I mean, he is a bald man.

But I don't I don't, mom, be curious with your audience thincts.

I don't think that people would assume that Joe Rogan is bald.

He is bald, but when you think of a pantheon of bald men, like I don't think of the Rock as bald.

Oh right, well, also if you get famous not bald, I do think that that's different.

That is true.

That is true, right, that's our memory of that person.

Interesting.

So that was in this interaction with Moby.

I believe it's at the wolves connection.

This is the most saying.

The wolf connection is like a place where they a lot of people I guess like adopt young wolves and they're very cute, and then all of a sudden they like mature and then they become incredibly violent animals that you're not supposed to keep in an apartment.

And so they kind of rescue these wolves and they're like therapy wolves and they're up in the mountains.

I've heard about this, Yes, A beautiful organization.

But we met and I said, I saw your episode of Tyler Henry and I guess what I was saying was is it bullshit right?

Because like he's doing celebrities, let me let.

Me check in.

Yeah, And Moby in his episode was a skeptic and had certain secrets that no one knew, and Tyler Henry was able to sust the mountain.

When I talked to Moby, who was like, it was when you talk to someone who is it's like, oh, yeah, I've had an alien encounter, like you see on their face.

It's not a lie.

It's like it is, it's there, it's real.

And that made me believe in Tyler Henry more because then I came.

Home and I watch an episode with the kid from Breaking Bad.

And he's like, I got nothing, got nothing for you, And I was like, that's what I want to see.

Really he did do that, Okay that I like.

I like, I think I need enough of I got nothing for you.

See.

I do a ghost hunting show on YouTube where I go to haunted hotel rooms and sometimes I go to them and nothing happens, and I'm like, it's so tempting to just be like like whatever.

But I do think it makes it way more impactful when something really does happen that I can't explain if I if I don't fake it, you know.

I think so.

I think you have to have the it has to If you see it all the time, I think it loses its luster.

I think it's actually more impressive.

I think that's why magicians building fails.

Like you know, it's like, oh, he didn't get it, and then it's like, but I did.

Yeah, Like you need to have levels because sometimes when you watch somebody that's so good, you forget, like it's like you forget to applaud or you forget to be impressed with it because well, I'm now I'm just watching someone be very.

Very good.

Like I have a theory that before every Olympic event, you need to have a normal, n shape person compete in the town.

Let me see what the normal person could do.

Yeah, and then let me be impressed by Because I'm watching people off a diving board, I'm like, well, yeah, these are the best in the world.

How am I knowing better or worse?

Whatever?

Give me let me get in there.

Yeah, show me a person who's good dive.

I'm not saying just put like some you know, some shmow up.

There is never dove.

Give me like a fair to you know, an average an average, give me an average diver, Give me an average runner.

See what the average is.

That's fascinating.

Yeah, they should do that with a lot of things, like yeah, have like an opener for Broadway shows, have like a community theater and then and then you realize, Okay, these people are good.

That's I would love that before you go see like a classic musical.

So that's the that's before the overture.

It's just someone doing a very good job at its like again, it's not it's not about like it's not like watching high school production.

It's like, this is probably the best person this community theater has seen.

For twenty years.

Yeah.

Sure, but it's not gonna be Patti laplon.

Fe you are I mean, imagine Patti Lapone and Sylvia Brown.

Oh, they would have been prayed together.

She should play her and then musical.

That's not a bad idea, Like that Sylvia the musical.

And that she does interactions with the audience, and then we have Patty like improvising with the audience.

Well she does that anyway, whether it's in the script or not.

Way I took you way off, and I apologize for all of them.

No, it's it's good.

This is a good problem to have.

Okay, what I was gonna say about Tyler Henry is I also from hearing people firsthand, like your experience with MOBI.

I've talked to several people on this show and just in life.

Trust me, anytime I meet someone that I knows, ben to Tyler Henry, if I'm at a party or something, I'm like, tell me about.

It, be line over to it.

I want to hear the whole thing.

And they tell me, yeah, of course, it's longer, right.

And this is the thing.

I did a show with three psychics, and I remember thinking, like, it's such a bummer because a show, a TV show, you know, it has to be forty three minutes or whatever, and so you're only going to see the highlights.

So if people were to go to these people for a session afterwards, they're going to be like, on TV, it's right, right, right, right, But like in reality, it's longer and there's some misses, you know, they have to throw.

I have a very strong belief that no psychic is one hundred percent right all the time.

If they were, they would you know, they'd rule the world.

They'd be are right.

Well, I think it's a it's an interesting thing because you want to I think that the want to get connection is strong.

And I think that we are in a world, you know, I'm a I like entered into this like performance space through improv.

And improv is the whole idea of like the root of it is like yes and right, whatever you say, I'm saying yes to and I'm adding to it and I.

And that's Sylvia.

Sylvia has good improv.

Oh, she's a great at improv.

And here's what I will say about Sylvia that I love is that she is quick, I mean, which is the best part, but also doesn't waiver.

Like there's a thing where a woman was like my father called from an airport.

He was in Miami, and you know, and he he said he was coming home.

But then he never came home.

And we've we've searched and we can't find him, and you know, and where is he And he's like, he's alive.

He's in Minnesota.

And next and then and she goes and then like the host like does that make sense?

And the woman goes no, and it's like, but yeah, but I think like, and she doesn't give that much time to follow up, you know, so I feel like.

She makes choices, strong choices.

I I sometimes I coach and sometimes referee my kids soccer games, and my rule whenever I talk to a ref that's coming in like, oh, I'm so nervous, I'm like, don't be nervous.

Just be quick with your decision and that's it and move on, because it's like the minute you hesitate, like that was out of bounds or that was you made a decision and you go And I feel like there it's a good life lesson to be like, I made it.

I'm not wavering.

Let's move forward.

Sure, it's like, you know, it's the only way to be, but yeah, Tyler Henry And that's but I also feel like people want to hear, they want to connect, and when you go to the show, obviously it's like you.

You don't want to do the hits right.

You want to like, you know, you want to be like hopefully he's somebody is trying to get to me.

And I watch this, you know, I watched this happen where you know he's doing his thing.

He's like, I see this person.

It's a truck driver.

It's a this you know.

People are standing up, so it's almost like he's whack a mulling them down like okay, but they're like you sit.

When they're like, oh, I know a truck driver, right.

And it's.

And it normally gets down to about three, and that is when it gets really specific and goes and for a while that the two are up there and then and then one, and then it gets down to one.

At least that's the way of that.

I'm remembering it.

And there's a moment where there were two and they were both kind of fighting.

Know it's me, it's me, it's me, and and Tyler deb it's actually not you, it's that other person.

And he was wonderful with the person.

He's like, I know you're upset.

I know, and I'm just not it's not it's not for you.

It's not it's not coming for you.

See.

That's what bums me out is that my people never want to talk to a psychic.

I go to so many psychics and I'm like, where's my relatives.

They're like they said, bye, Well, this is.

My whole thing is I don't like terrat cards.

I don't like psychics.

I believe in ghosts, I can believe in aliens, I can do all this sort of stuff.

But psychics scare me because I I don't want to be told something that will get in my head in the wrong way, right, yeah, and I and I and and not that I'm susceptible, but you know, maybe it's true.

Maybe it's true, you know.

I remember like at one point my mom had seen a psychic and she came back and she said, oh, psychic said that.

You're going to be.

You're gonna be writing a lot, and you're going to be on airplanes a lot.

And even that it's vague, right, I'm writing, I'm on airplanes, two things that are true.

Ish, Well, yeah, they both are true there, But I.

Hate it even being funneled into like any kind of bracket.

I felt like it took away my own free will and not and not that because it's like it's in my head.

Well tell me I was gonna write and be on planes.

I guess, yeah, you know, and then you're fighting.

And that's what I think.

I have that issue with making like goal oriented lists for me.

I'm like my goal oriented lists are less about specific things, are more about general things.

Okay, I mean that's at least I don't know.

How do you feel about that?

Do you want to be told like you're on the right path, You're not on the right path.

I've been to psychics so many times.

Yeah, mainly because I need something to talk about.

I've been doing this one for six seven years.

I got I gotta talk about some Yeah, So I go to these psychics all the time.

And yeah, part of part of what I want is like when I have gone before where I'm first of all, never gone when I'm in a great place of life.

Right, oh, right, there you go, right, of course you want.

Yeah, there you're wrestling with something.

And I'll go to them and I'm just like what should I do?

Like I've gone a few times where I'm like up for a job and I'm and you know, those things are so there's there's so many opportunities.

I don't like to ever be like this is if this one doesn't happen, my life's over.

Like I definitely don't feel that way, but I'm sometimes I'm just like, am I getting her or not?

Because I got other plans?

Right, I need to make some choices.

Yeah, I got Yeah, I need to I need to take this other thing or whatever.

So I've got the psychics before and they'll just be like, no, you're not going to get it or whatever, and then I'm like, okay, great, then I'm gonna stop stressing about it.

However, I went to a very famous psychic one time and I did that exact same thing, and she said, you're not going to get it, and I did, Well.

That's the thing.

Now, can I going back to your first question about vibes, right, and vibes of ghosts or vibes of people, do you think that on some level?

Well, I guess I have two questions for you.

Number one, do you think that everybody that you've gone to has the ability?

I think everyone does ire with that, yeah, And I guess the question is what you're bringing into that meeting.

I think part of it is about reading people.

And I don't think that I'm not saying that to undercut that they can see something, but it is about like where you're carrying yourself, Like if you felt like I am not going to get this job, or I don't feel good about this, or I'm concerned about this.

They're almost reading that to be like, you're not going to get it because you're almost you're almost shading it.

In that way.

It's like when you carry yourself in a certain way.

That's my thought.

And so I think that some psychics may be really good at reading people.

Some psychics may be really good at reading the future.

Now, my wife went to a psychic who like predicted something about my book that came true.

But again it was it was funneled, it was funneled around.

It wasn't asked about it.

It came in a different direction.

See, if a say did that to me.

You'd be like, stick to the script here, it's about me and you.

Oh I've had that.

I've had a problem before where a psychic that just want to talk about other stuff and I'm like, babe, it's.

By the menut right yeah yeah yeah no.

But to me, I think I'm gonna start doing this to people.

I'm gonna be like I went to a psych it she tell me something about you.

Five bucks, that's what you need you need to I need to get it back.

Pay off.

Yeah, I paid you a minute that was your you're paying for their minute.

But I want to go way back to answer your question about the bachelorette parties.

Uh, ghost hunters, which, by the way, I should do bachelorette parties.

I'm adding that to my.

It would be great.

And it was so much fun because like, like we were trying to be like, what would be a fun thing that doesn't make anybody feel bad, like you know, it's we just want to like have a nice time.

And it was fun.

It was fun in a weird way.

It was like a great like.

It was a great like.

Uh, it made the whole weekend a blast.

That was a weird thing that happened.

Yeah, there was also pools and we had a great time and good dinners and whatever.

Now what if you would have conjured up some ghost strippers?

Well that you know, she really felt the pressure to be at the bachelorette party, so she was trying to like lean into I am, hey, we're gonna do stripper stuff, and we're like, oh no, no, you don't.

They don't have to wait.

She won't hire a ghost center to start stripping.

Well, she was like, I got the whip cream or no bits, no bits please?

You know, we didn't need the bit because she with her son like.

It was.

It was all she was in good fun trying to do it.

But it was like, yeah, now go strippers.

Well I guess do you believe that like objects like this object?

Right?

This could like could this ant be Anna build?

Oh yeah, okay, see you think so?

All right?

See I So I bumped into Matt Rife and be lined to him.

I don't know it Annabel or he bought?

What did he buy?

You know, he's like her guardian.

Well he bought the house with all the objects in it, the you know, the what could go wrong?

So again be lined right up to him, like this is what I will tell you why.

It was my introductory question.

I was like, are you touching that thing?

Are you like fucking with Annabel?

Like I But I didn't say that.

That wasn't my entry point, but it was like that was my thought, like do you respect Annabel enough like to have this responsible it's a huge responsibility if if Annabel is she's a big star, giant star, and she needs a guardian, I mean, she needs a proper guardian.

And everyone who's been involved with Annabel has reached an untimely demise, you know, So these are questions I needed to ask, and I will tell you that again.

Like that person I spoke to you, Moby uh, you see it in their eyes he had a respect for Annabel.

I mean it's also he's also doing ghost other stuff.

He's doing a lot of good and that's where I'm like, good, now, I'm more on board.

You gotta respect for You're not You're not opening up that case.

Good all right now?

But can Annabel do crowd work?

I mean that's we'll see.

I mean, here's a thing.

You should come to the show with good things because Annabel might come out after you.

Now is Annabel like trying to.

She's back backstage being like you butter not right.

Anyone who like fucks up this set?

Is Annabel protecting the owner.

I would think that potentially don't wrong, don't wrong, Matt and or the Wrath.

That's a scary Annabel.

Yeah.

Well, so do humans have ghosts that stick around with them?

I think a lot of people say yes there.

But there is a Sylvia Brown clip where a woman is very sincere and she's like, I keep feeling like there's like someone inside of me, and she's like going on and on about this, hoping that Syvia is gonna be like, yes, there's a person in you or whatever, and Sovia just goes that doesn't happen to people.

She goes, you need to go to a specialist.

You see, Like in a weird way, I think that she's right, that's probably the best advice that this person needs, maybe therapy.

What is this ghost story I heard that you have from a from childhood?

So you know, it's always interesting.

Did I see a ghost?

Have I had ghostly interactions?

And I feel like you know very much.

You know I'm coming to you.

Obviously you have a lot of experience in this field.

But I remember this thing so vividly, so clearly, and has a two part to it.

When I was a kid, I love camping out.

I loved like camping out to me was like I'm going to sleep in the living room.

I'm going to sleep over here, sleeping out wherever it was, but primarily in the house.

It wasn't like camping outside.

It was camping out in that I'm going to set up a bed over here.

And so one night, in the many camp outs I did my own house, I set up a sleeping bag in the hallway.

Now there was a hallway that was leading to my room, and on the other end of the hallway was my parents' room.

No one would ever walk through that hallway because you'd only be going to my room.

That would be it.

And I didn't have any brothers or sisters.

I just had my mom, my stepdad, and and me.

That was it.

That was the house.

And I'm out camping out in the hallway.

And I woke up and I see this image that was from my feet above me, and it was very very peaceful, just looking down on me.

And I saw a face.

It was a woman's face.

It was a blue aura.

And I'm gonna save some of this and then and white and she was like draped in like a white thing.

I guess the closest example I could give you to what she looked like was like Roman Catholic versions of like Mary like that.

So like that kind of an image, and I just opened my eyes.

I didn't freak out.

I wasn't afraid.

I felt very peaceful, and we just sat there or I laid there as she was over me, and we just were in that moment.

And then I like kind of rose to just get up, not again, not out of afraid, but I don't even know if it was to touch or whatever.

It was just to kind of like see and then disappeared.

And that image, that image of that face, that image of has been with me.

And I guess you can say, oh, well sleep or this whatever, that image has been with me for a very very long time.

Now.

I'm talking about probably twenty five to thirty years later.

I'm on set for what I was shooting NTSFSDSUV, which is this adult swim show that I did for a couple of years that I created, which had an amazing cast, great people.

And this grip comes by and the script was not always on the show, but sometimes on the.

Show, and he said to me, He's like, I can ask you a question.

Yeah, He's like, you believe in ghosts?

And I said I do.

Actually, you know, I don't have much experience with it, but I do.

And he goes, did you ever see and he describes this image he and I go, oh my god, I've never talked about this image.

I never said it.

It's like this woman in blue and with white and described this image perfectly me and I go, yeah, what what do you mean.

It's like, well, she's right here.

And I was like, she was on set.

She was on.

Set, and I was like, what, He's like, Yeah, I just I'm He's like, I I feel like I have this mpath thing.

I see it what you saw, and yeah, I just wanted to tell you that she's here.

Now that I can only say, No money was exchanged, No I wasn't.

This wasn't a part of a larger conversation.

Yeah, he saw the image that I saw.

It blew my mind.

So is this woman always with you?

You think?

I wonder?

I wonder now because I.

Was wondering who that lady is, I thought publish this.

So that's to me the closest I've come to something.

And I feel like the version of it from a kid was interesting, and I'm sure you could write that off in a million different ways.

But the kicker of it is this almost stranger describing something that I'd never said, and like maybe to a handful of people.

You never said it in your years of podcast, ever, I don't talk about it.

So do you think that that house was haunted or do you think was the ghost attached to you?

Well, that's the question that I think I'm trying to wrestle with, Like it's not of anyone in my life that I can imagine at that point in my life.

You know, my parents are alive, they're show live now.

My grandparents were alive.

Did you ever ask any of them about this?

Yeah?

No, my mom told me a story.

And this is interesting.

We became born again Christians.

So then there's a lot of like Catholic ghosts in the mix.

You know, like there were like you know, speaking in tongues like that whole idea, like the spirit of the Holy Ghost is inside of you and it's kind of come out and you're like, well, you know, like like that idea is like you are letting a ghost speak for you, which would contradict you know, Sylvia saying that no ghost can be inside.

But like that, like you're opening yourself to the Holy Spirit.

Now what kind of ghost it is?

That?

The same ghost as it?

One ghost?

I don't know.

So there were things about that, and then there was a lot of stories in church about you know, my mom tells the story about being on a couch.

Now this as I describe it to you.

Sometimes I do this where I'll start to tell a story from my child and I'm like, wait a second, that makes no sense.

But it's was told to me.

My mom was on a couch saying on one end, and she believed a ghost in the other end.

The couch seesawed like it would lift it.

Now, I don't know what possible world that could possible.

She went up or she went up.

Well that's a heavy ghost.

I mean, I was gonna say, is it seems like a very corporeal thing.

You know, it doesn't even like ghosts carry weight.

I don't know.

And again, if you are a ghost out there dealing with weight issues, I have no no issues with you at all.

I saw something only one time in my in my few years of ghost huntressing, I saw a coffee pod like those like kr rig little things.

I saw one of those get thrown, And so that makes me like, Okay, I guess ghosts can like do things.

They can like touch, which always makes you think, well, then if they can lift a couch with their fat ass, they can sit on top of me and squish me.

They could pick up a knife and chop me up.

Okay, Okay, so now I'm scared of goes.

Now you've opened up a big world to me, obviously, Annabel is gonna I mean Annabelle is a ghost inhabiting the body.

To warn your friend, Matt Rife.

Didn't say yes, okay, close friends, I'm Matt.

I wanted to make sure because if this is the power of Hell incarnate, we gotta make sure it is being handled.

Do you believe in annabel I mean, now that you've met him, do I believe in it?

Well, you certainly believe he believes it, right.

Yes, What I don't believe in is that family you're talking about, the Warren f Yeah.

I feel like that might be because here's the thing, if you really do your research on annabel there's nothing to back up any of those stories.

The same way with like the conjuring, like what went on there, there's no like, as a matter of fact, there's proof, definitive proof that all of it is made up.

Like you know that the woman who was the ghost didn't kill herself, that she was actually a farm woman who had children was over there.

I'm missing some of the things.

Yeah, exactly.

So this whole idea of like, oh, who are these sorority girls that had this doll?

Why didn't they ever come?

Don't their name?

We don't have anything.

Yeah, so there is a part of me that and this is the world.

I think two things can be true.

There can be Charlatan's and there can be people who are are out there doing it and having it, and then there can be people who are kind of eating from both sides, which is like yeah, yeah, like a Tyler Henry, like I'm gonna get paid, but I'm also I'm also legit, right, Like it's like, you know, it's.

Like, well, I think that was.

I think there's a lot of people that succumb to the pressure of like, oh shit, I have to always deliver, so I'm going to Okay, maybe I will make something up a little bit, right, But like I think that there it originates with like, oh, okay, I was.

I was really psychic a lot of the time.

But I have to like, you know, well do you.

Have like this is the psychic issues that I deal with, which is I will have a very vivid dream weeks before an event happens.

Oh that's cool, and that's something.

That I have had my entire life and it comes true and it comes true and it's but it's not like I won the lotto in my dream and I won the lotto.

It's it's just a person and interact in a place.

It's very fragmented.

It's I guess what deja vu is to a certain degree, and that is always wild because it feels so real in the dream that then when it happens in real life, I'm like, wow, and I can I can find that connection, Like I remember the dream and then I feel that connection.

I'm like, whoa that Like, like there's moments that gets me.

I feel like that just means you're on the right path, Like you're going where you're supposed to be.

I'm already taking it in.

I think it's good.

So annabel is an industry planned I agree Annabelle, Like, there's this story I'm obsessed with about.

It's kind of like something that inspired show Girls, one of my favorite movies all the time.

One of the casinos was like, you know, instead of paying for some big celebrity to start on one of our shows, let's just like come up with a lady and be like this lady she's coming.

Everyone like put her on all the billboards.

Like I think this was in the early nineties.

I can't think where her name was, but they were like, you know, oh, you gotta see her and she's just like some.

Lady, okay.

And then so then people started coming to buy tickets, and I feel like, could Annibal be like that where they're like that, like this raggedy andl uh and you know, the more you just start talking about put her in a box and then just be like, she trusts me, you don't want to mess with her.

Well, I mean there's a famous story and I don't know how familiar are with this person.

But Steven Sagal, oh you know right, Steven Sagall was a trainer, like a karate instructor to Mike Ovitz, and Mike Ovitz a very big Hollywood agent at the time, probably one of the biggest, like when you think about like mid eighties, he is controlling Hollywood, and there's a lore or a legend to it, being like I can make anyone a star.

I will make my karate teacher a star.

Oh and so he did it as a challenge, as a challenge that's fun.

And you know that's why, like Steven Sagal's like backstory is ever evolving, like it was like in the beigin it's like, oh, yeah, this guy was former CIA, He's not you know, he did do this.

He didn't, you know, It's like, like, like what.

The only thing that you that he was was he was very good at aketo and he trained in Japan.

That's the that's the truth.

And then he moved to La not trying to be an actor, just teaching a keto to very wealthy, rich people.

And there you go.

I need someone to do this to me.

I got it would be the best thing.

Okay, wait, I have to show you.

Can I show you a haunted doll?

I would love to see haunted doll.

So here's the thing about annabel since she's you know, she's like that girl, she's the Taylor Swift.

Okay, she's the haunted doll.

A lot of these girls out there trying to be Annabelle.

It's just natural and so on.

eBay.

There are thousands of haunted dolls at all times, and they come with backstories.

They range and I've seen him as cheap as ten bucks.

I've seen some for tens of thousands, who they come with photos, they come with backstories, and we feature one every week.

It is time for the dolls are living, Okay.

So I would like for you today to meet Gloria and Gloria is going for thirty five dollars show us Gloria got it?

Yes, whoa that looks a little bit like my wife.

She's definitely gorgeous.

So who Gloria is?

This is actually a Linda Evans dolls.

Dynallasty oh Dynasty.

Sorry, yeah, so that is who she is and the backstory with Gloria.

Now you have to keep in mind this is the ghost that is now inside of this Linda Avanca.

The doll is like Chucky possessed.

Sure, yes, Charles Lee Ray is now inside of.

Chuck Do well that you were able to get Charleslee Ray.

My dog's it was Chuckie.

I love Chuckie.

Tiffany's my hero.

Okay, So let me read you what it says about Gloria.

This is Gloria.

She is fifty two years old and here is her story from me and previous owners.

Gloria loved Linda Evans.

She loved Dynasty and would watch it every time it was on.

She had this doll of Crystal Carrington and loved it.

Gloria was a good woman.

She would go to church anytime the doors were open.

She lived with her husband, Robert, and they were married since they were nineteen.

They had that kind of relationship that everyone envies.

One day, her husband wasn't feeling well, but Gloria wasn't.

Missing church.

Robert decided to stay home while she went to church alone.

While she was gone, Robert had a massive heart attack and unfortunately passed away.

When she came home from church, she found him.

She tried everything she could and got the paramedics there, but it was too late.

She was heartbroken and she never went a whole day without him.

After his death, Gloria's health started declining.

She started missing church and wouldn't leave the house.

The only thing that would cheer her up was watching Dynasty.

She ended up passing away due to a broken heart.

So since I've had this doll, I've noticed a lot of activity when I put Dynasty on, Okay, I will hear clicks and pops near the TV.

And I've also felt her touch my shoulder when her show was playing.

One time I was playing her show and I was getting tired, so I turned off the TV.

I heard this loud bang, like someone hit the TV stad So I turned it back on and I let it play all night.

I do feel a feeling of dread sometimes when holding her doll, I feel really depressed and it even makes me tear up.

Sometimes she is a sweet spirit, she's just been hurt.

I'll play her show once a day just to cheer her up.

So that's basically it so feels like this feels like a marketing thing for Dynastic.

I mean it feels a little bit like a yeah, like look, you know it's your forcing streams.

Basically, I think I really it's like a peacock.

I think Glinda Evans is behind this.

Here's my thought.

It seems like this woman who is so committed to her husband really just is now committed to Dynasty.

Like does not seem like the husband is a factoring of Like we're adding to her depression.

We're basically keeping her in her hoarder's nest.

We're just saying, like, just relax, watch Dynasty, don't go out, don't go beyond, don't leave that.

Yes, your husband's gone.

And that's what I think a ghost is is like they're here because they're not dealing with they're shit.

Like if you go to the light, if you accept that you're dad, and like all of that.

Usually a ghost is stuck on earth because of like trauma that they're not dealing with.

Do you feel like, if you know, if my husband dies of a heart attack, my love of my life, and I get a chance to go to the light, I'm going to light because that's where my husband would be.

But here's the thing.

She was given the option of being inside of a Linda Evans dall.

And do you think she took like the easy path?

I guy, Oh, I'll just do that.

That'd be fun.

I mean, this woman's obsessed with dynasty.

She has a Linda Evans dall.

She's like, what would be better?

Heaven or being Linda Evans?

And I think that's what she's chose.

But I mean, Linda Evans doll, it's not really yeah, right, you got to possess Linda Evans.

It's only Evans still with us.

I don't know, but it's knowing.

But but I will.

Say that it's the name I haven't heard in a long time, and I thought she was a wonderful presence.

Linda Evans she is still kicking.

She's a retired Norwegian American actress.

She's eighty three.

Yeah, Linda Evans is behind this whole operation to get more.

People to watch the dinostse so we'll say, uh, you know, by thirty five dollars a bargain a steal if you will.

Yeah, it's only thirty five bucks.

It doesn't seem like she's a nice spirit.

She's a depressed spirit.

But you throw in a stack of like Dynasty season two, maybe I'm gonna buy that.

I mean, you know, now, you know, like give me a give me a little incentive here.

Yeah, you should include that with I mean they should throw in some blue rays and some yeah, some blu rays.

Also, make sure you're keeping an eye on when the Blu ray is coming to the end, right, because if it stops without you putting another one on, well that she will throw your TV.

I mean, is this the thing that we have to Now?

It seems like she's okay with one a day because.

They're weaning her off.

I think you kind of have to.

But I do feel like at this point if she was watching Dynasty in this prime, she's watched a lot of dynastyes, She's she's.

Seen almost every word.

But I guess the question is, hmm, I don't know.

I am I it's a responsibility.

It's like a dog I have to feed I have to feed this.

Oh yeah, You're not just getting a doll.

You have to take care of it.

This is the thing I'm not quite understand.

Do I want that responsibility?

And why would I take that responsibility?

Because some people, you know, they get lonely.

You've got kids, you've got a wife, you got a career.

There's some of these people that are just like.

But you want to take it.

You want to take a haunted haunted Yeah, yeah, all right.

Because you know what if she gets to be too much, throw her back up on eBay?

Ask forty do.

You imagine what's going on right now?

Do you think that in her heart she knows, Like I'm on eBay, I'm just sitting there.

That's what I think about all the time is Yeah, does Gloria, who's in this doll?

What would she?

How would she feel if she found this posting?

I mean, I like that she's not just throwing Gloria in the trash now, by the way, Oh yeah, no, I'd love to see a toy story five or six where we have a Gloria.

Well, this is what toy story is.

Then everybody is a ghost and toy sters.

Yes, okay, I like this.

And I think it's the same thing with these dolls because you never really see them walking around the house right video of that.

So I I do think that it's like, you know, they do that thing.

And then when people.

Write like this is all right, so not as scary as Annabelle.

No, I take Gloria any day.

But you know, no one wants to buy tickets to see.

Gloria unless you advertise her appropriately beforehand.

Yeah, like, now if you start, if.

You Matt Rive's not buying Gloria.

If you started a subtle thing, Gloria, this is the Dynasty ghost and you start talking about that, then all of a sudden that probably is gonna But there's a shirt that we sold on how did this get made?

That never sold?

It was a shirt that was like patently vulgar, and I couldn't believe that we made it.

And one person once wrote in and said, as a matter of fact, I bought that shirt and was told ticket off on an airplane.

Now have you taught her to say?

So?

It was a movie with Matt Damon called The Great Wall.

There's something that came up in the show and we're talking about like like a senor Frog's style poster for the Great Wall, but like Senor Frogs, they had like these posters where like the frogs are fucking each other in different positions.

So we created a Great.

Wallposter which is just aliens fucking each other in different positions, spelling out the Great Wall.

So it's just basically aliens and sex positions and and and ever since I talk about it the show saying this is the ship that never sold and people couldn't wear it out sales skyrocket.

So I do believe that idea that you you lean into something all of a sudden, Gloria could be the next Annabel.

It could be the animal that we want.

I know.

See, I think that I should like Stephen Sagoles.

Yeah, you should Stephen Saghall Gloria.

Yeah.

I like how I just called him Stephen Sogol like it's okay, kind of like a seagull but fancy goal.

Okay, wait, okay, one last thing.

You're so easy to talk to you.

I feel like it's almost time to leave.

Can I play you some ghost voices?

I loved I So I have a ghost voice that I am obsessed with when a ghost tour that I went on what.

Yeah, I want.

I whenever I go to a city and I try to find a ghost tour, and I go on those ghost tours and I and I do have one ghost voice.

Where where would you go?

This one was in what's the city in the Garden of Good and Evil?

That city?

That's a Savannah.

Yeah, Savannah.

That's right, that's right, I did it.

You know, it's so weird.

That's the city.

I believe it is haunted.

This is This was such an opportunity for me to pretend I'm psychic because I was going to say Savannah, like before you even said the city.

But yeah, because when I think of haunt, when I think of ghosts cities to go on tours, I think it's Savannah.

But there's okay, damn it.

I should have done I should have just said it.

I love Savannah.

Wait, so you were you were there and you heard a ghost?

Yeah, I have the recording of it.

Well, because I was on a ghost tour.

Where is it?

I mean, it's pull it up.

I mean I can well, as I listened to yours, I can see if I can find it.

I can.

I can because you know, the phones are easier now to to navigate.

I know that's a video, okays, Avan, I so see if I can find that.

Okay, cool, it works.

Okay, it's time for EVP or ev pase.

So in the business we call those EVPs electronic voice phenomena.

I am a big fan.

I understand it.

I love it a lot of times.

It's an ev police.

Now I go to YouTube.

I find two EVPs that have been posted.

I want you to listen, and I want you to tell me what you hear.

Okay, and then I'll give you some options abc D, one of them being what the person that posted it believes.

Okay, I got it.

I can't wait.

This first one is from Chicago Paranormal Investigators and it was recorded at the John Humphrey House in Orland Park, Illinois.

Okay, what is this ghost saying?

Let me hear one more time?

It does sound like somebody on the phone in the other room.

If I'm living in an apartment, That's what I'm That's what I'm hearing.

It's a.

It sounds like something's ordering or talking about ordering some Chinese food.

Well, yes, do they.

Think it was a Ask me again and I'll tell you now.

Oh sassy, do they think it was b angry all the time.

C I'm great, How are you?

Or D?

I'd like the Chow Mayne with the Kung pound chicken.

I would lean towards D.

But I think it is a Ask me again, I'll tell you no.

That's what I heard.

Now, when you say it like that, I hear it.

Ask me again, tell me, I'll tell you no.

They think it is angry all the time.

Wait a second, I hearing I hear, I hear the first one.

Yeah, I hear more words.

But it sounds like something good for you.

So I'm gonna say it's EVP Yeah, why not?

Why not?

I mean I also it could be just a person talking in a nearby I mean again, where is it happening?

I don't know at the John Humphrey House.

Okay, well, yeah, okay, there it is.

Okay, here's the next one.

This one is from Creatures of the Night paranormal and I'm not really sure the location.

Okay, but what is this one saying?

That's it?

Is it a grass grasshopper?

I that is that's hard?

That is not that's an evy please all right, wait, it's very faint.

Okay, nothing, I'm getting nothing.

From this, well, let me give you some options.

Sure, please, it puts things in your mind that maybe I don't know.

I want to please put things in my mind.

Is it A I'm whispering, B you get back, C you're just mad?

Or D what are your brown hounds?

I mean, I would love it if it's I'm just whispering.

Okay, they believe it's C you're just mad, but okay, I can kind of.

It's very faint.

Okay, Okay, I don't hear it.

I don't, I don't.

Yeah, it's definitely not one of the best ones I've ever heard.

But good for you, Creatures of the Night paranormal.

You keep doing it.

I found my Okay, okay, okay, this is this is insane.

It is very rare that we have a guest to bring their own.

All right.

So this clip the I'm about to play you is a clip from a ghost tour that was on in Savannah, Georgia.

The ghost tour person he is playing back and filtering recordings.

Okay, so this tour guy he had captured this arrest.

He had captured it.

We went around and he was recording and trying to get stuff, and then he would go and kind of edit it and try to find a thing that.

Was not so that was in the moment, that was in the moment.

Because I'm looking that I've actually cut down that clip from a minute thirty to this.

Okay, that's great.

So that was I mean, you know, I'm not dead.

I'm not dead.

Okay, I thought it was I had to die.

Oh you see, there you go or something.

Now.

I mean, I like the way that he did the VP because he repeated it multiple times, so you start to a cadence rhythm to it.

But if I was I'm not dead, I'm not.

And I thought, oh, that's interesting.

This ghost doesn't know that they're dead.

This ghost is a major denial.

And like our Linda Carrington ghost may not know that she's dead because maybe she died when her husband died.

Mentally, she's atrophine.

She may still think she's at home watching Dynasty.

She's watching Dynasty.

She's like, why is the person turning off my Dynasty?

And how come I can't turn it back on?

Right?

Yeah?

I think that there is definitely a type of ghost that doesn't know that they're dead.

But it's like, okay, can't you put the clues together.

There's a ghost tour coming to your right.

I guess there's people walking by all the time.

Don't you wonder why there's ghost tours?

And they're not wearing Bruce Wils didn't know, but especially these Savannah ones.

It's like, honey, no one's got on a top hat anymore.

Yeah, haven't you seen?

But we don't know.

We don't know that.

It's like I'm not dead because I was.

That could have been mid nineties.

True.

Well, this has been fun, what a.

Blast, and we we didn't even broach aliens.

But if you want, if you want, there's a great new documentary out.

I hear about it.

Yes, it's really good.

It's expensive to buy, it's like twenty five bucks on Amazon, but it's a yes, it's uh.

I think it's it's eye opening.

Yeah, so you watch this and you're like, they're coming.

I don't think.

I don't know if it's their coming.

There's thoughts, there's definitely thoughts, but again that's a whole other you know, I don't want to pull us down in the rabbit hole.

Maybe we should both watch and and re you know, reassess.

I love this.

Okay, Well, it's time.

All right, we did it.

We got to go tell people where they can find.

You can find me wherever you get social media or anything like that.

I currently have a show with Rob people called The Dark Web Where We Go.

Didn't you watch Sylvia Brown clips on.

That, Yes, we did as a matter of fact, so you know, and in the lore of our show, we have been trapped in the woods because our studio burnt down from a haunted doll.

That is true.

So Rob was at a was at a like a flea market and he bought this doll and the person said, this doll is haunted.

It when you look at it is a haunted doll.

I'm just remembering all this right now.

And so in the lore of the show, which is not real, we uh, we said that the doll had burnt down our studio.

We were we were and after Halloween, and so now we've been out in the wilderness literally shooting episodes outdoors and now the story continues.

So yeah, that's where we're at.

But the name the haunted.

Doll, well, we we call it Baby put my Pants.

Uh that's you know, there was a little certificate, but I call it Baby Boo.

Does she survive the fire?

Uh.

Yeah, well the doll has not been with us since the fire so so I don't think so.

I think she walked away in slow motion.

Like uh like from uh what's that movie?

Uh?

Not Living out Loud, but uh it's as like fire Starter, whoever Angela Bassett throws the match and the car blows up.

Yeah, that's that's what's happening there.

I love it.

Well, you're so cool.

Thanks for doing the best.

You so much.

I'm not dead.

I'm not dead.

Thank you so much.

To Paul Shecher.

Oh we got to have him back.

That was so fun.

So thank you all so much for listening.

I love you all, both living and dead.

But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

Hey bye.

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Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi.

My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac.

Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen.

Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgariff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer.

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