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One step Forward ...Two Steps Back -Bonus episode

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Speaker 1

Hi, it's Jay here, the host of the podcast Our Little Leading I just wanted to say thanks for your support of Eden's case and the heartbreaking story of Eden Westbrook and the ten year journey for her parents, Jason and Amanda Westbrook and their family.

We've always believed that there is much more to Eden's death, and we've spent the last three years looking into all of it.

Of particular interest was the police officer Paul Reynolds, who was working at the Coroner's office at the time of Eden's death and was helping compile the inquest notes for Eden.

In twenty seventeen, police Professional Standards raided Reynolds's home and found child abuse material on his phone and devices.

The next day, he killed himself and that's where our new podcast, Badger Betrayal begins.

It's an investigation into Reynolds and everything revolving around his forty year career as a Tasmanian police officer.

In this podcast, we have whistleblowers that have come forward, a current serving police officer who breaks ranks, a great risk to himself.

We've got emails and behind closed door conversations.

What we know is that there are breadcrumbs everywhere and the place it leads we feel is worrying.

If you're a new listener or a listener that's been with us for the whole journey of Eden's story, I just want to say you've been so supportive of Eden's case and we're asking for you to help on this new investigation.

The way to do that is to search the podcast Badge of Betrayal on your favorite podcast app, follow the show, and if you like it, give it a review and tell your friends.

Our wish, just like our Little Edie's podcast, is that this new show brings about more chain with those that are supposed to protect us.

Thanks for listening and thank you again for your support.

Speaker 2

Approche Production.

Speaker 1

Welcome back to Our Little Lady and what seems like the never ending story of a family's quest for answers into what happened to their fifteen year old daughter in Westbrook ten years ago in the tiny seaside town Saint Helen's in Tasmania.

In the last episode, which was called Another Step Towards the Truth, you heard the excitement of Jason and Amanda that Guy Barnett had just gone before Parliament to announce a new bill that were due to be passed.

Speaker 3

I'd like to take this opportunity to again acknowledge the Westbrook family and their continued efforts to advocate for an improved coronial system in Tasmania.

Speaker 1

All would have allowed families like the Westbrooks to be able to see the complete picture of what happens to their loved ones.

For the Westbrooks, it was about obtaining Eden's autopsy photos.

Their wish was not to see those photos themselves, but to have an independent expert view to ascertain what happened to Eden and if there was anything more to investigate.

But Jason and Amanda didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket, so they also wrote a letter to the Chief Magistrate to ask a lot of questions, which included that Eden's autopsy results be released to them.

On Thursday, the fifteenth of May twenty twenty five, they received a letter saying that she was considering the matter and she would advise her position in due course.

Speaker 4

Go understanding, mate, you know she's tuning us light where Grade ten students and we're asking for extra homework or something I don't know, and she's just saying no, it's all full mate.

Speaker 5

You know like I'm combanded by Mate.

Speaker 4

I just got to find the human and otherwise i'd got they're crazy, and I have got a pretty good sense of human.

Speaker 5

So I'm just trying to laugh at it, Jay, and hope for the.

Speaker 4

Best and know that we're going to continue the fight and we've got good people on our side where this will happen.

Speaker 5

And being ten years, we're patient.

Speaker 4

So it looks like we've just got to be patient for a little bit longer and we'll get there.

Speaker 5

Mate, We'll just get that across.

Speaker 1

Mate.

There was also a steady stream of texts between me, Chasing and Amanda and their team.

Their excitement was building, as was the house they were building on that piece of land they bought in Saint Helen's where they used to live in a shared The house was almost finished and.

Speaker 4

We're one hundred and five square meters of floor space, So you know, do your mass, Jay, We're doing pretty good for a couple of humble little assies.

Speaker 6

And we're learning the hard way with the class through him and the bedding.

Took me a week to sand the kitchen and it shouldn't have taken that long.

So you know, we've spread the plaster out too far, and there's all these things.

We're just learning so many new skills here.

Speaker 1

There were also new people coming forward to offer information that might help, who were happy to chat to us on the podcast.

As yet we haven't heard back from them, but they do have vital information on a person that was mentioned last year in the podcast.

There was also a reach out to Jason and Amanda from a national magazine who wanted to tell the Eden Westbrook story in print.

Then on June five one fim I got a text from Jason.

It was simple and said the bill is going through today.

Sky and don Taya on their way to Parliament.

I replied with bloody awesome, a man who replied with yes and the dancing lady emoji.

I was really excited for them.

Finally this was going to happen.

This bill would be passed through Parliament, was almost Edith's Bill.

Everyone was excited until the news broke from Tasmania.

Speaker 7

Good afternoon to the mushroom murder trial in a moment.

But first we have major breaking news from Tasmania.

Liberal Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe has just lost a no confidence vote on the floor of Parliament and it is set to call an early election.

Speaker 8

The premier is said to be ousted after the controversial no confidence motion passed eighteen to seventeen just minutes ago.

It was tabled yesterday by the state opposition against the Premier, accusing him of financial mismanagement with the proposed new stadium here in Hobart a major talking point.

Speaker 9

I acknowledge and respect the vote of the House today, as I have respected every single vote that has taken place in this House in my twenty three years.

In my personal opinion, this is a very sad for Tasmania.

Speaker 1

This was such a blow to Jason and Amanda and the team behind getting answers and it really shocked them.

Speaker 4

I've felt slightly deflated, to be honest, Jay, It's just like, what not again?

Speaker 5

Another delay?

You know, We're just it's ten years mate.

There should be no delays.

There should be.

Speaker 4

No problem with the magistrate handing over Eden's autopsy photos to the third party.

Speaker 5

It's just become almost comicable.

Speaker 2

It's just well not fair.

Speaker 6

Jake, I quickly, together with some people, flicked them an email and suggested a plan B because we may be looking at August before we get back into parliament again.

Given what's just occurred.

And you know, I don't think it was a wrong thing for the opposition leaders to do because things haven't been running as smoothly as the Liberal Party would.

Speaker 2

Even like themselves.

Speaker 6

But we've still got guy who's really really dedicated to get this.

Speaker 2

Over the line.

He called us the night.

Speaker 6

That he tabled it and suggests and he was really relaxed and happy and confident that we are going to get this over the line, and he said, we are going to get this over the line no matter what.

So I just did panic because I thought it was there and the children are sitting in the gallery and the media is there and it's.

Speaker 2

Like minutes away from being tabled.

Speaker 6

Because that's why Dantegne's guy were rushed down there, because we were told it was about to be presented.

Speaker 2

And history was getting made in our view and we were a part of it.

So yeah, it was It was a little.

Speaker 6

Shocking, but it's probably been in the balance for a little while with the no vote of confidence.

I think this is a third time it's been mentioned in Parliament.

Speaker 4

They're not concerned and they've done their job right, Jay, there shouldn't be a problem with passing on these autopsy photos to any third party if anything, If they're right, they would strengthen their case or their report.

Speaker 5

But if they're wrong, obviously it won't.

So maybe they're wrong, mate, I don't know.

It's just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1

The delay, so to recap, this vote of no confidence against the premier has plunged Tasmania into immediate political limbo.

Here's what it means.

Essentially, the Parliament is dissolved and the snap election is called.

Tasmanians will head back to the polls of July nineteen of twenty twenty five.

That's the third elect in just five years.

Until then, mister Rockcliffe and his ministers remain in the office as a caretaker.

They can't make any major policy decisions, sign new contracts, or sell assets.

Everything is now on hold until that election.

They can handle data data administration with things like courts and public servants and basic service delivery, and for urgent decisions like disaster relief or pressing security matters.

However, no new legislation can be introduced other than absolutely essential bills agreed by all parties.

Speaker 6

Look, there are always people wanting to come forward and bring new information, and then they get scared.

I have sent people to Jackie Lamby and that has been successful.

Speaker 2

I don't want to be known.

Speaker 6

They're afraid that even the story that they'll share will give them away.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 6

Since the guy has come forward and mentioned us in parliament, people have said, you know, we don't think that Eden took her own life, and yeah, yeah, there's been a few people and I have encouraged them to come forward and I have emphasized the confidentiality.

But it's a small state.

Yeah, and they're quite frightened.

Speaker 2

What do you think they're frightened.

Well, they're frightened of being threatened losing.

Speaker 10

The job, losing their rend at home or their mortgane mate.

Speaker 4

You know, you speak out here and as you know by anyone that's been a whistleblower in the past and has brought things to the attention that needs the light shone on it.

Those people are alienated or their clasters, you know, unsavory or not good people.

When you know where trying to save, you've got stuff to say, you know, be the good person and come forward and water off.

Speaker 5

It ducks back with those opinions that think.

Speaker 6

That basically the same people are at the helm here as you know ten years ago, they're still the same people.

So they're still beaten the same drum and the same pattern of behavior, and they're still getting away with it.

Speaker 1

Jason and Amanda outlined how they felt to mister Guy Barnett just a few days after the shock announcement in Tasmania.

Speaker 2

He's a letter that they wrote, Dear.

Speaker 6

Guy slash Amber, we were getting so close.

We very much appreciated your efforts in progressing a bill to amend the Coroner's Act so that the coroner would release Eden's autopsy photos to us without restriction.

Speaker 2

Now to be further delays.

Speaker 6

We read in the Mercury today that if an election is called, it maybe late August or early September before a new government is actually in place, in whatever form that may be.

This delay is another slap in the face for us.

We are writing to see if there is anything you can do to address this current impasse with the coronal.

Access to the autopsy photos are critical.

We can then hopefully proceed with getting an inquest by an independent interstate coronal.

Speaker 2

In light of all the new evidence.

Speaker 6

That has emerged, but particularly the interim report of Drake Collins from March twenty twenty five.

We think there is enough to warrant an independent inquiry by an external party into Eden's death.

Speaker 1

Is it fairly going on right?

Speaker 2

Yeah?

Speaker 6

And the house is like a brain new baby.

It's so consuming that.

Speaker 4

Once we've got the brick on the left side, the southern side, we can then get the hot and cold water actually running in the house.

Speaker 2

Frain come and help us with the tile.

Speaker 11

And that's why I'm putting in the kitchen this weekend, Jay, because I can literally have my kitchen sink working by Wednesday Thursday next week with a bit of a.

Speaker 5

Live it in the shed.

Speaker 11

To have a functionable kitchen will be unbelievable, mate.

Speaker 6

Yeah, because so you know where my oven is outside, The bathroom's outside, the toilets outside yourself minus one.

Speaker 11

The house up there is warmer already than the shed just when you walk in in the morning.

Speaker 4

Because of the double glazed windows.

They're almost bulletproof, mate, they're that thick.

And yeah, it's just it's.

Speaker 5

Like a cozy little cabin as you see.

Speaker 10

There's a bit of a skip in our step, mate, talking about the house, because it is currently our baby and it's keeping us preoccupied away from the mess, and we're busy.

So as the procrastinations and the delays.

Speaker 4

Go on and on and on and on and on and on, we're still going on with what our life is and that's getting a better future for us to retire here in this beautiful East Coast town.

Speaker 1

Hi, it's Jay here, the host of the podcast Our Little Leading I just wanted to say thanks for your support of Eden's case and the heartbreaking story of Eden Westbrook and the ten year journey for her parents, Jason and Amanda Westbrook and their family.

We've always believed that there is much more to Eden's death, and we've spent the last three years looking into all of it.

Of particular interest was the police officer Paul Reynolds, who was working at the Coroner's office at the time of Eden's death and was helping compile the inquest notes for Eden.

In two thousand and seventeen, police professional Standards raided reynolds home and found child abuse material on his phone and devices.

The next day, he killed himself.

And that's where our new podcast, Badger Betrayal begins.

It's an investigation into Reynolds and everything revolving around his forty year career as a Tasmanian police officer.

In this podcast, we have whistleblowers that have come forward, a current serving police officer who breaks ranks, a great risk to himself.

We've got emails and behind closed door conversations.

What we know is that there are breadcrumbs everywhere and the place it leads, we feel is worrying.

If you're a new listener or a listener that's been with us for the whole journey of Eden's story, I just want to say you've been so supportive of Eden's case and we're asking for you to help on this new investigation.

The way to do that is to search the podcast Badge of Betrayal on your favorite podcast app, follow the show, and if you like it, give it a review and tell your friends.

Our wish, just like our Little Edie's podcast, is that this new show brings about more change with those that are supposed to protect us.

Thanks for listening and thank you again for your support.

Speaker 2

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