Oh, seriously, why is it so hot in California?

It can be so such different temperatures, Like when I left my house it was not as hot.

And I know, you guys remember the other day we were what were we doing?

We went out the other night and Nell's like, I'm so excited.

We're going into fall, and I was like, bitch, fall.

And it is supposed to be one hundred and eight this week.

That's crazy.

Hi, Hi, how you doing good?

How are you?

I'm fabulous, fabulous.

I'm getting so freaking fabulous.

I'm getting ready to go to my hometown tomorrow.

I'm just so excited.

That's so exciting.

Yeah, good to see friends and family.

None of my immediate family is there anymore, but like aunt's uncle is my grandpa.

Do you guys have anything specific that you're gonna do or.

You just so?

I'm going to take Nell to the hiking trail that my parents always took us on when we were kids.

And it's in this like, no, that's.

Nasville, but it's in this like small town outside of Dayton called Yellow Springs.

It's actually very well known because Dave Chappelle lives there, and it's a really cool, like little hippie town and then they have these trails and so we're going to do that.

We have some dinners lined up with some of my family and we're going to go on a pontoon on a lake, which that's where well, you know, I get a little bit confused because like where I grew up, we had all these bodies of water.

Okay, I'm like, this definitely isn't a great lake.

I don't know when you go from a creek to a lake, but here we are from.

A stream to a river like terms, but some.

Kind of body of water that's probably man made, will be on a pontoon.

It's gonna be really fun.

I'm just excited to be in my hometown.

That is very exciting.

You know what I'm doing this weekend?

What I bet it's nowhere near schools, Dayton, Ohio.

Beck Streets.

Yes, yes, I'm headed.

To Vegan They're at the Sphere.

Yes, Oh my god, I really want to go.

I know.

I'm going with my girlfriend Natalie.

So her birthdays in August, mine's in September.

We had talked about going in September, but then their residency was supposed to be over.

Although they added seven more shows.

See, you're gonna have to see that show twice my arm, at least see if it's worth it.

Yeah, we'll now go to that one.

I think so little he'll go to any anyway.

Well, I was about to call him some Spanish customers right now.

He's like, I'm not but he's not excited about it.

How it's well, it's fine, we're not gonna do it.

But yeah, don't get me started.

No, I'm going to see Backstreet.

We're flying in on Friday, We're seeing him Friday night.

We're flying home on Saturday afternoon.

So excited.

Natalie is like, it's funny.

She's a mom now, she's Natalie just turned forty.

I'm turning forty five.

She's a mom.

She has a nine month old.

But Natalie is like, my girl that back in the day, he's tear it up.

He used to tear it up.

I was like, girl, She's like, I'm so excited to sleep in.

I was like, god no, But honestly, even sleeping in is not what it used to be.

Like I try to sleep in.

I try, and my body says, bitch, it's your own anxiety is going to wake you up, whether you like it or not, you better do something or your whole world's gonna crumble apart and it's gonna happen by ten am, So you better be up at eight to get some shit together.

Hey, Like, I got up at seven oh three this morning, and I was like, oh.

No, right and everything.

Literally I do not understand how people like I'm.

So jealous of it, but it's you know, it's kind of cool.

We're both doing very nostalgic things.

Yeah, because you're going to see the Backstreet Boys, which brings you back, and I'm just going to see where I grew up, which also brings me back.

Mine might be a little bit of a hopefully there will be no trauma triggers, but I'll let you fill serve board.

Yeah.

Okay, Wait, So D got to my house a little while ago and we were actually doing a live for our group first.

But before we were doing the live, I was a little behind, so I was like doing my makeup and we're talking, but I was like, stop talking, save a further because, in case you haven't noticed, today is another episode of We'll see where this day takes us.

Yeah, honestly, we got really good feedback from a lot of you guys when we were just having a conversation, and that's pretty much what our episodes are anyways.

They just start with conversation before we press record.

In the conversations, we were like, let's just do it.

Yeah, like that, like really, let you see what it's like to sit down and talk with us about who knows what.

But I was holding a couple of things.

But first, yes, so at first I showed him this photo.

I was like, Donald, this popped up today and it was like me with my long hair right when I had got my nineties cut, and I.

Was like, fuck, yeah, should No, I needed to chop the dead off.

Literally when when we because if you have noticed, when we took our first photo shoot for the podcast, you had your hair and yangs.

And then when before the podcast released, I think, yeah, the first episode, Well we didn't even have this yet, right.

No, No, we did.

We recorded one episode and I had long hair and we had the different stands and then I chopped my hair.

And I was like, he said, don't do it.

I said, don't do it, girl, and I did it, and here we are.

I'm just kidding huge.

It's so cute, No, but it is you know when you're not, when you're a gay and you have all your girls.

This story, this song is one that I'm familiar with of I want to cut my hair.

It'll be so cute.

I love it sore and it is so cute, but they don't love it.

Forever, are you?

Girl?

I know?

I always said back after twenty eighteen, when I chopped it into the bob, I was like, I will never cut a bob again.

If I want short hair, I will buy a wig.

I will literally spend the money and buy a wig.

But I chopped at this Like, when I chopped at this time, it was because it had been processed so much, because I could not seem to get to the color I wanted.

PS found out hormones change the color over your hair.

So my hairstylist and being like, I am not using anything that is red.

I'm using the coolest colors possible.

I don't know how it keeps pulling red, and he's like, maybe there's something going on with your hormones.

I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in perimenopause.

And he's like, girl, that's why we're struggling.

And I'm like, you're telling me I have.

Red in my hair because I'm in merrimentopause, and he's like, I'm just saying.

It's harder, Like it's how it's going to take.

Take the color well, prostes it so much that it was getting like stringy and dead and split ends, and so I chopped it off.

But my question was, you were starting to talk about buzzing your head, and I was like, I could see this is going somewhere funny.

Do not tell me until we're sitting here, So I do it.

So here's the thing.

Okay, I like, I have pretty good hair, but I've always had a big forehead, like a big fucking forehead, Like I've always said, like if you're watching the video, you'll see I'm telling the share.

If I just take the measurement from the bottom of my lip to the top of my eyebrow, I get fit a whole other fucking face on my forehead, like.

Double.

And so anyways, it's just really annoying because part of me wants to buzz my hair off, but if I even tilt my head back a little bit, I'll just look like completely bald because that forehead keeps going.

So but I started cutting my own hair, which I like because I feel like a bad bitch, and I feel like i'd be pretty good for not being.

Able to see my hair very well.

But I feel like at some angles, like my haircut is serving and at other angles it's giving friar tuck, like from like it's just this little like it looks like it sat on top of my head and someone just went like a very high bowl cut.

I'm glad you saved that for the podcast.

It does not look like friar tech.

You do not.

You do not look like bowl clock.

I can't talk like that's our own language.

You do not look like you have a bowl cut.

That's good because that ain't the look I don't.

Oh my god, I'm gonna see fine, I used to have a bowl cut.

I'm going to see if I can find that picture still post it in the YouTube video it was.

It was not my proudest moment, but I I wore it proudly at the time.

It's a different time.

I like it.

I like your hair, Thank you, and you actually do a really good job cutting it.

I'm having so much fun cutting my own hair.

It's something I've wanted to do, and I one day I was like, you know what, Donald, you can just get that whole bald look if you need to.

And I'm having fun because when, like, especially when you keep it so short on the sides, you have to go to a barber so often to get it touched up.

And now I feel like I can just touch it up real quick on my own.

It's great.

It's so ballsy.

Guys are so ballsy when they cut their own hair.

I would barely touch my own banks.

They would be like in my eyes, and I'm like.

Okay, that is interesting to me.

When girls are like I have to go get my bangs, I'm like, oh, I would definitely cut my own bangs.

Well, I did a few times, and although I didn't like really muss them up, like I remember going into my hairdresser like the next time around and being like.

God, I hope he doesn't notice that.

I really like, so when he cuts your bangs, does he cut it straight across and then like point cut into them or so.

It depended on the look.

Because my one hairdresser that I had for like five years and then I ended up going to his assistant, and they're both phenomenal, but the one was a little bit more like artsy where he would just sort of do it and it wasn't always as blended on the sides, like it didn't blend like into around my face.

Then when I started going to the other guy who I go to now, he's like meticulous and blended it so beautifully.

And that's when I was really afraid of messing it up because I was like, okay, wait a minute.

Was one thing when it wasn't as blended, it didn't look bad.

When it wasn't as blended, it just wasn't as blended in.

But once you have that line, it was like if I chopped it or if I messed it up on my own, it was going to be like this weird like box around my face.

So I just let go.

Anyways, here i am now with like a bush broom tail, and I'm just I just needed to grow back down to my shoulders.

Yeah, it'll get there, and it looks very cute.

It's just it is fun.

It's just I'm super impatient.

And then once I decide I want something, I'm like, well I want it right now.

You see picture of your old hair and you're like.

And I'm like, it's going to take me three years to get back to that.

Yeah, who knows what ILL want by then?

Not me?

Yeah, we'll see.

So I wanted to talk to you about something.

Oh God, I want to talk to you about Did you see the Fit for TV special?

Oh my gosh.

Yes, what did you think?

So, if you haven't seen it, I don't really think it's like a spoiler situation.

But it's a documentary on Netflix about the biggest Loser the TV show.

What did you think of it?

Well, first of.

All, I thought, I'm so glad that I never got cast because I auditioned to replace Jillian Michaels a few different times, three actually, and the very first time I auditioned to replace her, it came down to me and one other person, and the casting director was pushing for me to be the next trainer, and they ended up choosing Anna Kornakova.

You replaced Jillian?

Yeah, there was times.

Where like Jillian left the show and then would come back to the show and left the show.

I don't come back but at that but Bob was still there, so yes, so Jillian had left, they needed a new female trainer.

It came down to me and Antic Cornikova and a Cornicova got it.

But watching that documentary, I was like, oh my gosh.

I've always said this.

If you've seen me on stage, I've said, like, you know, you never know where the path is leading.

It was so devastating to me every time I didn't get cast, because it would be months and months of auditioning and thinking like, Okay.

I'm this is gonna be a big break.

But then obviously when Beach Body now Body came along.

I say it all the time, like this is my home.

There's no place I would rather this is, this is what my destiny was, this is where I was supposed to be, and the way I'm getting to do it.

How many people I'm truly getting to help?

Well, I will say you definitely like the number of people who can say your program changed their life.

I don't know that any of the trainers from that show could say.

People might know who they are, but people like experienced your creation with all the programs, yeah, like they.

Have books or they had one off DVDs, but now actual full on program somebody could finish like start and finish.

I don't know that anybody has those I don't want to say for sure because I haven't looked but anyways, yeah, I was, you know, it was twenty years ago that that show was out, and you know what you don't know, you don't know, but now and then watching people talk and over the years, I remember there would be like some bad publicity around certain things and like how much are they actually letting them eat or like you know, the fact that they're working out eight hours a day.

But then you're watching the documentary and and it's a game and you're trying to win, and so you see how they're starting to game the show.

And I mean there was some scandalous stuff like Jillian giving them caffeine pills.

Oh yeah, I was like, it's wild.

Wild, So so yes, watching it, it was really like eye opening.

It made me think a lot about just how different the conversation around weight loss was, at least in my world at that time, because but the Biggest Loser was something that was referenced a lot, and it created some kind of expectation that in hindsight, even though like you can't take, you can't sort of like how you talk about you have to get, you have to give credit for the good and the bad.

So I'm not gonna That show did a lot of good things, I'm sure for a lot of people.

And for those people, I'm so thankful.

And even one of the people talking on the documentary was like, would I do the show again?

That's really hard for me to answer.

And that's because there's part of them, even though they were talking about the negative side of it, how there's part of them that was really changed for the better, I guess.

But it had me think about a few things.

And one thing, like I said, was the conversation around weight loss at that time was so fucking intense, Oh my gosh, like and and it just kind of took took out the humanity are Yeah, it was like, you know, now people wouldn't say, like, you know, like they wouldn't just throw around the word fat as carelessly and with such hate.

Right that people did then and it was accepted then.

And it's really crazy to think about, like because when you're in it you don't realize and that when you slowly things change.

But to look back at that time, it was pretty interesting to see, like, wow, people were really like talked about being overweight differently.

Yes, it was very different, you know, it was just a different time for sure.

And when you hear it now it's a little like oof, Like as you're watching it, you're like, gosh, and then you look at some of the challenges that I remember watching it, so you know, I was in my mid twenties and not thinking anything of these challenges where they would put people who obviously are morbidly obese in rooms and be like, can you resist eating this enormous.

Table full of food?

Or oh, build a.

Pyramid only using your mouth carrying the doughnuts and the bread and the things like that, and you're just like, that's just vicious, that's mean, Like this is a big clearly, I do want to say this.

I think when.

You hear the executive producer talk about where he got the idea from.

Was it for the challenge or the show?

For the show?

Okay, that he.

Was walking into a gym and there was a note on a bulletin board and it said, I want to say, it said something like morbidly.

It said, please help.

Morbidly obese need to lose weight, looking for somebody who can train me.

And that is a person who is desperately like that, they're crying out for help.

And he saw that and understood that, Okay, people need help.

So I think it started probably with the best of intentions, sure, and.

Even as it got going, you know, there's the best of intentions of trying to help somebody that has struggled to lose weight lose weight, and then there is the side of it's a show, and you need views, and you need ratings, and you need sponsors, and what can we do to get those views and ratings and sponsors, because we all know the majority of weight loss comes from what you're eating or not eating.

Yes, you need to exercise too, that's part of health, but they had to make most of it about the exercise because you're not going to just show people eating all day.

So it was really interesting when you start analyzing all.

Of it and going, yes, the intention was good, but then it really spiraled out of control pretty bad.

And then you know, you're listening to the doctor talk and they sort of excluded him quite a bit from certain decisions.

And it was like, like wild.

When you look at a show like that or a production like that, you think the checks and balances would like, there's no way that the trainers would say something that the doctor wasn't aware of.

Or that the doctor blatantly said do not do ABC right, And they were like, we know better than you.

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

And because it was such drastic weight loss, that guy loss over two hundred pounds.

Okay, wait, I wrote, I took a note on it because I actually was planning on talking to you about it too.

I want to uh it was, I mean, he lost this is insane.

This is insane, Like there's this is not not healthy at all.

Two hundred and thirty nine pounds in six months, five three weeks and five days.

Two hundred and that's like multiple persons off your body in six months.

That's wild.

Now, here's the thing.

Okay, if you go from eating really unhealthy food and being completely sedentary to all of a sudden eating very healthy food and exercising eight hours a day, you are going to be dropping weight fairly quickly.

But you have to think about the repercussions.

Like, nobody works out eight hours a day unless maybe you're an I'm elite athlete, So you're setting these people up for something that they can't maintain.

It's more than a pound a da day if you think it, like, oh yeah, like it's interesting because I was thinking about what really makes change it's sort of to me.

This is what one takeaway I got.

We focus so much on the outcome of what we want, like we want to lose a certain number of pounds, or we want to be able to be in a certain pant size or dress size or whatever your thing is.

But in that we think we'll do whatever it takes to get there.

But that takes away your potential of staying there.

So these people were not trained at all how to live a normal life and consist continually lose weight because of healthy life to health choices.

And that guy, yeah, he gained it all back, all of it.

Well.

I always said this even back during the show.

The people that were the most successful were not the ones that made it to the end.

They were the people that were there for about three weeks and had to go home figure out how to do it at home their normal routine because they were still competing for the money.

There was the people they got to stay at the ranch, but the people at home they got to go home and keep going, and they still got to come to the finale and.

If they lost the most the most, they would still win money too.

So when they got sent home at like week three, it was like, okay, m three weeks, what does that sound like?

Twenty one days?

Yeah, they kind of learned some new habits.

They were still motivated by this cash prize, but they had there was you know, your home, you're with your kids, you're with your family.

The temptations are there.

They had to figure out how to do it.

And those tended to be the people who actually kept it off long term, whereas the people that stayed at the ranch until the very end, then went home for like a couple of weeks kept it off or maybe it was a month or something like that, and then came back.

Almost all of them looked like I think, I can't say almost all of them because I don't know for sure, but a very large majority gained the weight back, and I do think they missed one vital thing.

Look, you don't become you don't get to a point of being morbidly obese.

And I'm using the term morbidly obese like clinically.

I'm not using it as like I'm judging somebody's character.

There is.

Some emotional trauma there, There's something there that this is not a candy bar tastes good, right, I mean a candy bar has tastes good, but there is something there underlying that needs to be addressed.

And I do think they miss the mark by not having a real therapist on for them, like somebody that really could help them talk about whatever issues might be there.

I mean, the one woman brought up the fact that, like, you know, they would get screamed at in the.

Gym and.

Humiliated because they're being screamed at or they're barfing while they're working out, and she mentioned she was like, and all that did was remind me of home when I got screamed at and humiliated, which would make me eat.

So it's like again not saying that the trainer's intentions weren't good or you know, but like, yeah, if you don't have all this other history, you know, yes, the weight's coming off, they're in the house, the food is restricted as it is, then they start restricting themselves more.

But you're not addressing underlying.

Yeah, you're still going to go back into because you're not addressing what got you there, So it's going to get you there again.

Yeah.

So yeah, if you don't heal that, then how like the likelihood of being successful when you step back into your real life and not on this ranch.

It's the likelihood that you'll gain it back is significant.

I think that's a really important thing in general when it comes to weight loss, you know, Like I know, it's why we've always talked about personal development at Body and Mindset Work, and you know, we've always tried to include that in some way, like a lot of times, just recommending different books or different seminars to go.

To things like that.

Like I try to stay in my lane.

I try to be motivational when I'm teaching, but I'm also not a therapist.

Yeah, so there's only you know, yeah, there's only so much that I can say without feeling like and also when you're speaking to you don't know who you're speaking to.

You're just speaking to the masses, right, you know, You're just trying to You're trying to give people nuggets to think about that they can then go work through whatever way they deem possible or they deem is right for them to work through it.

Yeah, I think it's really good to like take the time and just acknowledge how important that personal development and deeper emotional work is in your transformation in your journey, because really everything like food is one of the first rewards and pleasure, pleasurable experiences that we.

Have, yeah, as kids, as you won the baseball game, ice cream.

Exactly and the juices you get in the thing.

I'm going back to Dayton and I'm not even going to play you.

I'm like thinking, especially since I'm not vegan anymore, of my favorite pizza places and my favorite things girl, which I'm not.

I know that I'm not going to go there and go crazy, but even the fact that I'm thinking of food, I'm going to see my loved ones and friends and places I grew up and I'm thinking about the taste of food there.

But there's a reason.

It's tied to your emotion, right, and it's tied to something that's really good for you.

Like sometimes yes, it's tied to a negative, but sometimes that pleasure is tied to a positive and we don't even relate it.

Like the ice cream reminds you of every summer when you went with your mom, or you went with your dad, or you won the baseball game, and it reminds you of a happier time, and You're like, I'm just gonna you subconsciously are going to get that, so you're thinking about going back to Dayton and you're thinking about the favorite places.

Yeah, because you have good memory tied to it.

Yeah, right, And we don't even stop to acknowledge that, Oh, that's.

What that is.

Like I could someone in my position could hypothetically like chase things that I ate at home so I could feel at home where I am here.

Things like that.

There's a lot sometimes, like your connection to food isn't even a negative thing.

It's looking for that, but it's just it brings up a lot of good questions.

Another thing that special made me think about was, you know, when we filmed eighty Day Obsession, I didn't have a real I didn't even know that I should think about how I would feel being in the public eye to a certain extent around my transformation and you start to It really made me think, like what those people must have felt like and what failures they must have felt like putting the weight back on, because the whole world like saw I saw them recluse, break, lose weight.

And I struggle with that, Like after filming, if I felt a little thicker after a vacation or something, I was like, oh my god, if people expect me to be a certain way.

People are proud of me, people connected with me because of the change, and you start getting all fucked up in your head because you're like people, I can't be like that.

You have this expectation honestly to a lot of people I've never even met.

Yeah, but it was something I had to really handle after we filmed.

I still have to handle that to this day.

Because you have to remember my first three years with Beach Body Body.

I was still a fitness competitor.

Was I competed before I ever got signed by Body Like I was in training already.

Then I competed literally four days before we went on set to film twenty one Day Fix.

So filming twenty one Day Fix, I was at my peak of peaks.

Like then I competed again before Fixed Extreme and then Hammer and Chisel, I competed again.

They wanted and and those those last two were like especially with Hammer and Chisel, they wanted me to compete again kind of having used at least the chisel component of it, you know, And honestly, like then I was again it was three more years of all of that consistency, so I was in.

Even better shape.

Like and then after Chisel is when I started to deal with some of my gut health issues and had nothing to do with Chisel.

It just the timing.

And I had the hardest time.

Accepting my body in country heat because I was soft and I was trying so hard, Like I can't tell you how hard I was working out, Like not only was I doing all the country heat dancing, but like I was lifting like crazy, I was eating all like the way I had for competition, and I just could not get my muscle definition and I didn't understand why, and nobody could tell me.

And I felt like I was constantly being judged.

And I've kind of felt that way for like the last four and a half five years of as I've gone through gut health or hormonal changes or.

Just haven't been as dialed in as you are when you're competing.

Like that is a.

Next level yeah, commitment, focus.

And commitment that.

People don't take me as seriously or they don't respect my knowledge as much because I'm not as shredded, I'm not as muscular as I was, Like there's a part of me that knows in the back of my head and people will be like, no, that's not true.

Autumn we like, and I'm like, no, no, I know if I had my competition body right now, that certain people I'm not saying everybody, but I know there would be certain people that would look at me as more of an authority than they look at me now, because it's like, oh my god, well there's all these women out there that are so super shredded and da da, and I'm like, okay, well.

Forty five.

And by the way, there's plenty of women that are forty five in the thick of hormonal shifts that are super shredded.

It's just everybody is different.

So it is a hard thing to experience in the public eye.

Well, it makes me think about what you must feel because you're you know, for example, when I'm talking when I am working with my one on one clients, if I'm talking with a new client, I ask them their goals, what they're looking for, and I usually, and it's a little different for everyone, but give some kind of talk of we're going to look at your goals, we're going to look at what it takes to get there, and then we're going to decide again what your goal is.

Because the truth is like, for me, if I'm really honest with myself, I don't want to live the life that always leaves me with shredded apps.

I want to have shredded app apps, but the cost, but what it would cost me body and the way my body responds if I'm really if it's just like on the scale scale, that's not really what I want because I want to be I don't.

I want to be fit.

I want to be able to get up and get moving if I need to.

I want to enjoy working out.

I want that to be a regular part of my life.

I want to feel healthy, but I don't like when I think about competing.

The only thing that's appealing is having the body.

But you know, as someone who's done it, you don't just get the body.

It's what the decisions you're making day in and day out.

And so I think it's interesting for me to think about because it's like, Okay, I need to decide again what do I want?

Because what I want doesn't end with how I want to look.

It's how I want to show up.

You want to show up.

And it's not necessarily a right or wrong answer.

No, it's just like your answer exactly.

And I do think there are some like you know, the videos of people who try to put on way who are who literally are probably going to die of.

Like there's like people online who I don't know what it's called when people watch really overweight people eating and eating and eating and.

Stuff like that.

So I'm not saying like that's great for you, Like there are some things I think that's just really unhealthy, and I would encourage those people.

If anyone want to talk with me about that, I'd be happy to talk with you.

But I think that there are lines where it's like, that's just not good for you.

But it's interesting because you feel that pressure and I can only imagine the kind of pressure you feel.

But there are also people I think that respect probably respects you, and find you as more of an authority because they can relate to you more than someone who like you have a I think you have a perfect body, but you're you're not being like competition body.

Some people that also you might have their ear where you wouldn't otherwise.

Yes, true, yes, because sometimes when you see it it's so to some people it's so unattainable or it's just not how they want to look that they're not they're like Nahn's you must be super aggressive, because I have people think that I'm like super You must not ever have any fun.

You must not ever Donald we had fun the other night.

I'll talk about that in a second.

But you're going to think I'm a little crazy.

So I am the person, believe it or not, that I actually really like the rigor and structure of competition like that excites me.

I am that person.

Whether or not I'll compete again, I don't know, but you know, I'm waiting to get to this point because I because of these damns themselves, where I could start working out really hard again.

I'm not allowed to yet, but when I'm allowed to, for me, I want to see if my body can go there again.

I believe it can.

I really do like I feel like I'm in a really great place right now, which I'm really actually proud to say, because last month was just a fucking nightmare, rough to say the least, and I was like, yeah, I was like, oh, I feel like I feel like I'm gonna really like I'm mentally and emotionally things are balancing, and my hormones feel balanced, and things feel like they're moving in the right direction.

Just work wise and all these things, and.

I'm like, yeah, I think I might be ready to just lock and load.

Like we're going into the fall, which is a time where everybody kind of like settles into like the routine and the back to school.

So I don't know, stay tuned.

We'll see.

I can wake up in a week and be like crazy.

Yeah, remember when you thought that suck up eating kettle corn and bed sounds good to be right now.

But I don't know what I was going to tell you was I'm dipping my toe back into the day.

I got back on the air.

That's exciting.

We'll see, but so.

That you know, like sometimes you don't want to be going out on first dates and being like I'm not drinking, I am only eating this.

So we'll see, because there's got to be a little balance in life, like of.

But Buddy's out there bargain.

But yeah, it is interesting because I mean I competed.

Before when I was dating, but like when I was compete, oh my gosh, buddy, seriously, but when I did it, you know, thirteen years ago, the person that I was dating, like he already we already kind of knew each other because he worked out at the gym too, and so like we knew each other enough that by the time we started going out on dates.

He wasn't He was fine with the fact that I was in competition preppy, but I think it would be a little bit hard to be like, hey, nice to meet you.

By the way, I'm training for this really crazy thing, and like I'm so we'll see.

But you pull a scale out of your purse away your.

Chicken, Like, no, I'm really good at these days.

True, or you're the master at that, but.

You know, first date, I hate small talk as it is so to not have a cocktail.

Yeah, it might be a little that happened to me.

Remember last year I went on that date and he was like, I don't drink and I was.

Like, okay, we need something.

I was like I don't really either, but all of a.

Sudden, I really want one really good right.

Being in place.

Sure food, I can't have a cocktail.

Oh yeah, I love sharing food with friends.

I hated like, if that was a first date or something, you just order your own thing.

Yeah, if you're listening and we end up out on a first date, that is not the time to be reaching across.

Yeah, maybe you share a side of fries, that's fine, A finger taste some of your incht Yeah, this is awkward.

It was even a taste.

It was like, let's share these three things, and none of them were things that you should be sharing.

And I was like, this is so awkward.

Yeah, I went home, and I sure did go home and eat.

I was hungry.

I was like, oh, you go ahead, Yeah, where's a chip basket.

That is funny.

But but yes, in the public eye, having a transformation in general, it can be hard because there's a side of it to where like if you don't maintain it or if you don't get to it at the time you like you think you're going to, there's judgment.

And also like what makes me think even if you're not in the public eye, because I experienced that you are next level, experiencing that you're the leader of these programs people.

I think though, like you know, when you start losing if you lose twenty pounds, people start saying something, and even that gives you that pressure, like people are noticing that I'm losing weight.

I can't I owe it to them.

I think it's a normal thing for people to feel.

I think it's hard in general, we're on social media, like everybody's on social media.

It's almost everybody's in the public eye now unless you're private or whatever.

But you also get that sort of positive reinforcement, right like, oh, people start to notice, and then you like really go harder and people notice and they notice, and then God forbid, something in life happens and it throws you off track.

Right then you feel like.

Now I'm going to be judged, or you know, somebody was waiting to see me fail.

Or your hormone shift.

That really is a big thing.

You can change nothing and your body totally changes on you.

Yeah, you tell me about it, you know, yeah, been there.

So anyways, it was cool.

It was a cool documentary.

Really got my wheels turning, and just think, okay, wait, can we.

Gossip about it for a second.

Though, now that we've talked about the like the morning, how do I say this nicely?

I'm going to be here a while.

I was a little bothered with Bob's interviews.

All right, listen, I just want to pause and say I never watched the show.

Watch the show and the only trainer.

If someone said, who were the trainers on Biggest Loser before that?

Documentary, I would have only been able to say, Jillian, Oh, really okay, But I just watched I watched the most recent season of Traders, which is a really good fucking show, and they're actually casting for it.

Oh my god.

I was like, I need to try to get on this ship because I love that show.

And Bob was on the last season of Traders.

Oh, and everyone's like, I love Bob, I love Bob.

So I was so interested.

I just wanted to offer some context where I'm coming from with Bob.

I was like, okay, so what did you think was about his interviews?

Well, here's the thing.

I watched Biggest Loser like religiously back in the day, and I actually really liked Bob because I felt like, for the most part, he was the kinder trainer.

I don't respond to getting screamed bat I'm like, bitch, get out of my face, like I'm gonna come back at you, and he would like he did end up yelling a few times, but like, it was nothing compared to how Gillian would yell at people.

I guess maybe I felt like he was really.

Defensive in the documentary, and I guess I can understand that because you're there, you're there to do a job, you're there to be helpful.

And I mean that show was like the biggest thing ever at the time, and so then when certain things started going wrong with it, I'm sure he was, you know, taking a beating in the public eye, and that can really like at a certain point, you just kind of get tired of taking the beating, especially if you weren't the one doing something or you were doing your best.

It's like, okay, I'm human.

Like, so so I am giving him grace.

But it just was a different side.

I guess maybe I effected.

Just a little bit more.

Yeah, maybe humble or compassion.

Or like in hindsight, everyone can see things they would do differently.

Yes, you know, even not that you would do anything differently.

But if someone does start does all of your programs, starts with the first one and goes all the way through, they're gonna see an evolution because people change.

So it's just it is weird.

I actually remembered having the thought, did he like, does he have no idea what this documentary is like?

Right?

Did they not tell him?

Because everybody's sitting there like and this was horrible, and this was horrible, and he.

Was like, he's like double down.

Yeah, yes he did.

He doubled out.

He doubled down with his three dimes.

Ear, I was like to show up a little, just a little humble, especially because that woman in him like had an issue and she was the main one of the contestants.

I don't know her name, Joelle Joel.

Yes, Joe remember that season.

She felt so bad for her talk about some mean girl shit.

When everyone was like if you know, just I was like, that really sucks.

Of course, if someone's there, they're trying.

And by the way, if they're not trying, like, look again, it's reality TV, so you got to give them a show.

And that's exactly and your very long hours of filming.

I'm sure and at a certain point, trust me, there have been times where I've been training people in the past, Like I've never snapped on people, but there have been.

Times where i just want to be like, oh, fucking just do it.

Shut up, fucking squat.

I'm pretty sure you've said that to me before.

There's some video out there.

If you do want the workouts in here, say that to me.

Said in my way, yeah, shut the fuck.

I've been squat but but you again, you are dealing with people who probably have so many emotional triggers.

That just screaming at them a room full of people.

Yeah yeah.

It's crazy though, because when I auditioned for that, I'll just lay it all out there.

They would.

Every time I would do my audition tapes.

And this was back before like iPhones and stuff like you really had to actually like.

It required effort to like.

Film and upload it to a private YouTube thing for them to review it and all this stuff.

And they were like, Okay, well we need to see you training somebody who's morbidly obese.

And I'm like, okay, well, I actually I was a trainer at Equinox at the time.

I didn't have a client that was that significantly overweight.

Not to mention I wasn't going to go Actually probably had two that were like that could have, but those are not the people that I'm gonna say, hey, yeah, can I train you and film it for this?

Like that's implying something that's pretty pressed.

Record You're like, just call it it, come on, fucking carass up cow like just the.

Same.

So I would train like my friends, like I would be like, okay, I'm going to train a friend like I just can't, and they would always the note that they would always give is can you yell more?

And I would just say I was like, no, I really and maybe that's why I didn't get cast.

But I would hold my ground.

I was like, it's not how I train people.

I'm sure if somebody is giving me a hard time, I'm gonna give it back.

But that's just not how I approach training because I don't I'm not in the military.

I don't want to scream at somebody.

I don't want somebody screaming at me to get a result out of me.

It doesn't work.

And they would always come back with that note like can you yell more?

No, I'm not Jillian, Like if you want the frickin' doppelganger to her, I'm not it.

Like I'm me a trainer.

I'm me trainer and I will show up as me.

But yeah, I want to see you and Jillian in a fight.

That's what I want to see that like a spin off.

In a physical fight or.

Like a choreograph WrestleMania one win.

She would win.

She scares me, scares everybody good.

And listen, I'm scramming.

I'm usually I am not the girl.

I'm like, you give me a man attacking me and I'm gonna close eyes out.

I love your shoes.

Yeah, what else were we We had other things that we were Oh, we went out the other night.

Yep, so Fun went to one of our parents spots.

It was just a casual night out For me.

It really hit a little.

Harder cash old night out, y'all.

I thought I was gonna die.

First of.

That was the first time I've had I had by I had a half of a gummy uh huh fives and I haven't had one in a while.

Man.

Well, Fun fact about a lot of.

Any amount of gummy.

And I'm for sure ordering cookies at the night just.

So you know, Oh my god, the cookies.

I stopped bringing them up because I forget about him and if I don't remember it, it didn't happen.

It happens every time, Okay, every time they should take my phone.

You would think you would learn to take my phone.

Well, it makes me.

Guess one because I was like, I don't need the cookies, and I was like, where are you looking?

Yeah, you said I don't need the cookies.

He also said I don't need the cookies, and then I was like, okay, so should I not do it?

That was the question should I not do it?

And he said, well, I.

Don't believe in telling people what to do.

He sure didn't sit there in silence.

And because we were at your place, not mine, there were new cookie options available, there were new places available, and that place had stuffed cookies.

What was it is called?

Because I think it'd be fun for us to say the name this is.

I think it was like something like stuffed cookies or something.

Y'all.

I'm telling you.

The people who created invented these cookies.

Were high for sure, but the.

Good I accidently just googled stuffed.

I was trying to find my receipt but okay, you'll find it.

So the ones.

Let me see if I can.

Say, if you go under Postmate and put cookies.

Oh what wait, you're by my house, so.

Is it build a box?

No, let me tell you these cookies.

Go ahead.

So the Cinny Toast crunched cookie butter cheesecake.

That's one cookie.

Wait, where are you reading from the website?

But what website are you on?

If you I just.

Googled stuffed cookies and it says stuffed.

Oh that's it, Yes, that's it.

Yes, they're crazy.

Sinato's crunched cookie butter cheesecake.

We didn't get that one though, Yeah, yes we did.

I just wanted how to bite it up.

We got the uh nutella corn flake crunch.

Sure did.

We got was the salted caramel.

That was the best salted caramel chocolate short bread.

That was good.

Here's what we did, you guys.

I ordered like cereal and milk, six of them and they're big, but we just took bites ish.

Lo.

We sure did ignore the vegan gluten free options.

I mean, that's just stupid.

Like one o'clock in the morning, we're eating cookies and we're watching The Hunting Wives.

I mean we had a whole other podcast.

I mean we were on the I was watching women eat cookies.

You know what I'm saying.

If you always see The Hunting Wives, don't watch it with children in the room.

That's all I Oh my god, don't anybody else cookie eating kind of night?

This podcast?

What's her time?

We're okay, so we're not going to get into The Hunting Wives today.

But I literally did say to Donald that night when we were like walking to dinner.

I said, have you been watching TV lately?

And he's like, well, yeah, what do you mean?

And I was like, I understand every show I put on is like girl on girl soft porn.

I'm like, I don't under like.

Oh, I said, it's time for the lesbians to take the lead, because you know, I tell you, these gay boys we've been leading the charge of for the representation, and I've always felt a little bit bad for the girlies because there's not as much.

And I was watching it and I would say to know, like, oh my god, can you imagine being a lesbian watching this?

You would feel I would love it.

The thing is, though, is that that she wasn't really a lesbian.

They were swinging yeah, Like I just mean it was like very it was very.

It was very girl.

I mean yeah, it was by the way.

I was like, I told them they had to watch it because I was like, you, guys, I watched the show and I'm gonna need somebody else to watch it and talk to me about it.

Because we binged the whole show in like two days.

Same.

It was just like yeah, but then there was another Oh, then I watched the movie.

I was watching it on the back on the way back from Paris.

A simple favor to another simple favor.

Yeah, Blake Lively and she plays herself, but she plays like a twine a triplet actually, but like is like girl on girl on her essentially.

And I was like, what is happening that everything I put on?

I mean it's like everywhere I'm like, somebody is and they sure did they do it.

I'm afraid any show.

With dom in the room that literally literally because they're big actresses too, like you used to you felt safe around bigger names, like they probably haven't no nudity.

Yeah, they're not gonna.

I'm telling you.

And I've always been a free the titty a proponent because I feel like it's a double standard that men can show their nipples and women.

But it is like a shift.

It's like okay, but when you're not expecting it and you're just sitting at home by yourself, trying to find a show to watch, and all of a sudden, you're.

Like, uh huh wait, oh my god.

Right, I was like I put on skin Imax like I thought it was a Netflix.

What am I watching?

Yes, that's what's wild because of all the streaming.

Yeah, because before it's like unless you had pay per view or something like that.

And you got to be careful because like I'm like over here, like, oh my god, I'm going to accidentally put this show on.

I mean what I this is.

It is soft porn.

I'm telling you it is.

It is soft porn.

It is not like I would not want him watching that right now.

Noll and I'm amultiple times stopped and we were like, can you imagine being in a room full of camera and crew and directors and lighting and doing this no, and not being a peorn actor.

Like it's one thing if you know you're going to have sex on camera, but.

This is very I mean, they obviously know they're going to have sex on cameras in the script.

But yeah, but you know, back in the day, it's like camera pans, you just rub on each other a little bit.

This is no, no, this is level.

This was this was the thing.

Yeah, and now they're going to know the public is going to expect them to keep doing lesbian Ship, just like they expected us to stay skinny.

Give the people what they want.

Oh my god.

So I don't know what the title of this episode will be.

I guess we'll find out.

Yeah, for TV, we talked about it.

But yeah, if you guys have any thoughts on it or questions about any of the you know, the topics that we were covering in terms of what was shown in the documentary and stuff like that, we're always here for it.

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