[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome to all to call M-A-F-S.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Teen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to another episode where I will be discussing love is blind France, the reunion.

[SPEAKER_00]: And with me is Michael host for this season, which is Brian from Maps version.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Brian.

[SPEAKER_00]: How are you feeling?

[SPEAKER_02]: Underwhelmed by this reunion, but I'm ready to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: at the warehouse right out on my mouth.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think we're spoiled by reunions in America and then to drill down even further, those of us bravo girlies and many, what is the equivalent of girlies?

[SPEAKER_02]: Just call me a girlie too, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a brothel girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are spoiled by the housewives reunion because nothing matches up and I'm just like we could have shown this We could have done this.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just pivoting what is going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was underwhelming for me and he got to a point where I was just like, I don't even think I care.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just, it's why I learned fast forward and no one was together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone needs each other.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's broken up and we didn't talk about any of the controversial shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't, like, there were so many things that happened in the pods and also when they were like getting together for the first time that we just didn't talk about.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like what have been cool to hear any of.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I really didn't find Charles attractive and like he's not at all what I was into.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to fight through this.

[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't touch on that at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like cool to hear some of that no we didn't, but I mean we'll get there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we didn't do the last ones because as we found out, you know, the weddings.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the weddings is really nothing but I'll go through it just to go over who got married and didn't housekeeping as usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want pads, add free option there.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you want early episodes, that's enough from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's also enough for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in the regular fee, there's so many episodes out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me and Brian just finished welcome to five fill.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me and Brian just did the launch work by going through the six episodes of Love Is Blind with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: So much to talk about, so that's on the regular fee.

[SPEAKER_00]: and I tried it with Amber from season nine and that's up there too for you to check out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the wedding episode Ryan sorry it wasn't a fake out Tatiana is not getting married.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to be sure that she's getting married and that is that and she decided on that before telling her room that she is not going to get married while the man is shopping for a [SPEAKER_00]: Chloe and Alexandra, both say I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Chloe was just a shop as we all were because she's like, oh, okay, all right, we're doing it, we're doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were right.

[SPEAKER_00]: You predicted that they were both say yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you saw that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't explain myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said she would say yes and he'll say no.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kim and Thomas or whoever was that showed up at the wedding because it looked like a completely different man I'm waiting the Brian says that they were going to break up before the show I'm like oh, this ain't like a mess.

[SPEAKER_00]: I make a word, but they're probably saying no, but she said you know that their differences are too much and This point man has to do a rejection again, but I do interest Yeah, I think so [SPEAKER_00]: Um, then me and Sabrina call of me shocked when then the, and I love you came out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, by me says no, at the altar.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, what happened?

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I think we missed out the new year.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one was asked, what would you have said, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: Not one person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not one person was asked.

[SPEAKER_00]: A Julie and Charles, everyone thought they were gonna get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: They do say yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think something that stood out to me was she and her teddy bear were doing confessional.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she casually just told us that she doesn't talk to her mommy anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they mentioned it in the pause and it's been like 80 years ago when I call God But I feel like I would remember that because he talked a lot about his a bring-in up Oh my goodness a bringing [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so maybe they bonded over that, but I do not recall that, but she just said, Jim talked to him and her daddy just showed up and he's a bundle of energy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's in fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they both say yes and that was it from like the wedding episodes and then we can go straight into the reunion.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all the big players are back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thomas, come on, shows up as a blonde.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia, what are you guys killing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one more time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, like, I watching again on my man, hard this man not full, because I would have folded the second, like, come on, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but that's the thing though, like, so pretty, but still, like with all the people on this shows, regardless of what country, so much to unpack.

[SPEAKER_00]: She got to work with a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was not honestly when she was trying to get back with him, I was creaking for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was embarrassing, but I was just like, yeah, man, this is a perfect time to ruin your life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is what you do with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you do with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but when um, Gully and shows up because I'm like, oh, he gets to come back and as soon as I'm just like, I heard them, like, you know, I'm watching the captions at the bottom and I just hear a long phone teddy bear and he does like, do you know what I'll reveal he looks like through his eyes and I'm like, I just say it's a cackle.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what it was.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I will say, for me, this is the only episode that is not dubbed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why there was no dubbed option, so I had to do the captions.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I'm missing all kinds of shit on the screen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like the expressions I'm looking down.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a hard time.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a real hard time with this, because I'm just like, okay, like, it's gonna be really hard for me to watch both things in the same time now, but I think I got most of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, you are not a pro.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you aware of that guy?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's going to train in all that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just saw when we suddenly was like what's your take and he's like if you're in adults and that they should not be an option for subtitles He shouldn't watch things with subtitles in English and he's like 100% disagree and it's like if you're a filmmaker You've put so much thought in the angles in the thing and you don't want to waste your time looking below the screen [SPEAKER_00]: And the host response is like, you're not a pro.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you're a pro, you don't even notice it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just know it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I see many years, many years.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had the closed captions on it all times.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when this started by, I don't know why.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was a, [SPEAKER_02]: When I was an eighth grade, there was a Scooby-Doo marathon on our Cartoon Network for some reason, I'm like, put these captions on here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then it stuck all through college up until probably I was like 23, 24, and I had roommates again.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I turned it off for them and I haven't gone back.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I used to live this life.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now I'll go on back to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I cannot do both.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is really hard for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I need to do is like, let's say I was watching in the violin games.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to see the winner because a close caption was be a spoiler for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have to put my hands and cover it up when they're nothing and I'm like, just kind of ridiculous, but that's not the only inconvenience on there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, um, [SPEAKER_00]: one thing that they do get right is that it is a year later.

[SPEAKER_00]: I always appreciate that because it is enough time for a lot to happen and I'm looking forward to that for masks because honestly this Austin season was filmed 28 and a half years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: You should have grandchildren by the time they're going to be dinosaurs in the background of all canals.

[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do a shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: a long time ago very union so i like it when it's like you know here and just as a sidebar everyone i think when i was doing the rewatch i was like oh when did Kevin join when this when i was on the episode with um with Jason and we were doing like the counter i went back to season two to go watch Kevin did the re union Kevin has been there different really [SPEAKER_00]: But in the reunion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because so many others have changed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was asking, he was asking Jessica's husband and was like, are you just going to walk away and I was like, wow, even if he's just because he's in that with season two.

[SPEAKER_00]: So call on me wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just that's why it's so clear that he has been ever to feel that way, but it doesn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm guessing they're going to keep him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is fine job.

[SPEAKER_00]: We already lost Keisha.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want us to do more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, this still doesn't feel like what Peacock's vision is going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just a little nervous on if they're going to change, you know, like experts and things like that and what else is going to change.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_02]: I worry they might go toward more of the, is that the mass Australia format where I just like everyone is kind of all together and we're kind of people can dump and get dumped in the middle and shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think is it Australia or UK, but the rules are like way different.

[SPEAKER_02]: But what was them in wild?

[SPEAKER_00]: But for Australia, Australia is not a legal marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: So every week you have a choice to stay or leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a party, which is the best part on the set.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it airs like four times a week.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same when they choose a Wednesday.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then on Wednesday, we have to dinner party and then on Sunday, we have the commitment ceremony where they meet with the experts, and then the experts tell them all the things, and then you say, stay or leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you want to leave, if one person says, stay, you have to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: So people say, because they want to cheat with other people, so you help.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want them to go to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm afraid they might.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm afraid they might just go, this is way more exciting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would because that requires an Australian to live in couples.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to have more because a lot of episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they will do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll keep the format for the most part.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll just probably don't really [SPEAKER_00]: where it fits better to truncate it into one hour episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think if there were going to be any changes, it might be the experts.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and frankly, the one change I wish they would make is stop casting people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just go back to a huge cattle call.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone comes in and we pick people instead of, hey, this person seems like they might be investing on TV.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if they want to get married to a stranger.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's how things go bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like people who are willingly come back because I first they stopped because of COVID, and now COVID is done.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no, she was like, well, it's not done.

[SPEAKER_00]: So come from me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not done.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not done.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there's not what it was, there's not what it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no restrictions.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no restrictions.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people can gather now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, [SPEAKER_00]: I want to point out, again, I said this in the beginning and I'm not picking on her that Teddy Riders wife still seems uncomfortable in front of the camera, Lucina, I don't know what that's about, and the fact that he held her hand the entire time, didn't help, this was like, what reunion was it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, was it van the punk rules or somebody, those aren't where they just held hands the entire time and we're like, okay, what is I could see I was going to take it to that being sand of all and rock or shell when they had no thing but I don't know if that was it was some house it was some house Danielle and Lexi.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just held the entire time on board.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the fact that he can all their hand the entire time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if anyone else noticed, but her other free hand, she just kept clenching it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she just, I don't know, it's like, I hope she's not having like an anxiety attack or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just visible that she's uncomfortable and...

[SPEAKER_00]: I was excited for them to host, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe it's like a Nick and Vanessa Lishay.

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can complain all you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are a host, and that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's assuming they come back for a second season.

[SPEAKER_02]: We had zero success.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we said that if we got to come back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they did not announce that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because even in the other games, we got picked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they should know what the numbers are right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I also thank regards to them hosting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is, um, [SPEAKER_00]: a bold choice to have a couple who don't seem to believe in marriage, host a show about man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's like, you don't have to get married, that's not my gripe, it's just like to show is about marriage and for every other one, except Sweden, Sweden has a single person hosting the show, but it's just they've been together 17 years and they don't get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: How does that inspire people who are like, I need more time?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be a married French couple, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: to hear you out of these probably married to somebody.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go get them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the body language sometimes gives things away because you can tell who's together, who's not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, did we, some people say, who's on good terms?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm put it that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's friendly and who kind of just hates everyone?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you put Cynthia and Tatiana sitting together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, I mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: We already knew what happened with that and it's kind of like now we know that her attempt to get back with him did not work and you know It's like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying go to the Mexico route where they had to come up with a hammer and break some Why don't we?

[SPEAKER_00]: That was terrible Gailify everything man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that all the people sit by gender and then if you have together Sit side by I don't know something else, but there could have been something else.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a spoiler So we'll start with Julian Charles Julie says it's a good way [SPEAKER_00]: About love is blind to go about love and Charles is like, yeah, you uncover a lot of emotions, including emotions that he did not like discovering.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, oh, it doesn't sound good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this was supposed to be like the one of the few couples that got married and, you know, if they're starting with them, because they say people who are together.

[SPEAKER_00]: at the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they play a montage of their happy moments and then he tells us that she moved in with him after the wedding and it was a temporary thing till they both found a place and then a month later he asked her to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needed space.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needed air and he broke her.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, Charles, what do you have to say about yourself?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I mean, it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to regain my mental and physical space and I knew it was a step back, but I just needed to find myself again.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let me say I agree or I can attempt to understand because I didn't go through it when you go through a reality show that is so intense with people in your face all the time based on all the [SPEAKER_00]: like after speaking to some of the past participants on maps and they're like, the cameras in your face, like Eris is like, he was just throwing out words just to get them out of there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like regardless of how ridiculous it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people are digging, digging, digging, and making you repeat stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can see how that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even someone in Big Brother was like, the way the mental thing, the toll on you or survivor, where they're like, someone said they got out and they couldn't trust someone for a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because they were just turned away.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I can understand that you need space and all that, but again, this is a marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime someone is like, oh, I need space, I need that you are married to someone.

[SPEAKER_00]: What that entails is that your life is now intertwined with someone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you're joined at the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are going to need breathing room, but I do feel there's a way to get breathing room.

[SPEAKER_00]: Without telling your wife to get the fuck out the house.

[SPEAKER_02]: What?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_02]: like my wife and I have our alone time and we have our together time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like we make a point that you know every week on Wednesday and Saturday at a minimum we're spending like the evenings together, we're doing stuff otherwise.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's times that we'll put our son to bed and I'm like, hey, what are your plans for the evening?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm gonna, you know, read and go and see, okay, cool, I'll be down in the basement or whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, it is nice to have [SPEAKER_02]: a part-time end together time.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I would not say is, hey, I need some alone time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Get the fuck out the house.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll let you know when to come back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a whole, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you need some alone time, you could talk about that and say, hey, I need a little bit of time just by myself for whatever reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's usually a reason for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, [SPEAKER_02]: I know that my wife is a middle school teacher.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's around chaos and noise 24-7 all day long.

[SPEAKER_02]: I talk a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when she gets home, she's like, I just want to be somewhere where no one is talking for like two hours and she will enjoy some silence.

[SPEAKER_02]: My ADHD is the kind where silence drives me insane.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't be in silence, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So like we have to have separate time for that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is just, I don't know, [SPEAKER_02]: The clumsy as possible, he could have gone about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there had to be some specific thing that she was doing that was upsetting him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it was.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to say, she looked amazing at this for Union.

[SPEAKER_02]: This man has the redest lips I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lie that was distracting to me and just like, God, I don't know what happened here because you out kicked your coverage and then you blew it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_02]: I wish we had more insight into what led to this other than like oh I just needed some time like I don't why did you need some time why did you need some space?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I said it's bullshit.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was just over it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't want to be with her and you were saying like you need a space like there's no space Like that's your Mary's enough for so you didn't want to be with her instead of you to just say hey I'm not with this anymore and you're going about it a different way So I mean you could see that he already had doubts when he made comments like she can't keep a house and she can't use your different people [SPEAKER_00]: And I think what this people forget is they need to give grace or time to figure out their rhythm because what they don't have is that they didn't date.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't get to know each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you pause at the same, give it time, give it patience, but it's not going to be instantaneous.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the any sign of friction, they're just like, oh well, when I'm in to be, this is not, and then that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: So he says you don't do that as a married couple, which is true, but she agreed to it just to compromise even if it broke her and the thing is that he tapped into her insecurities and I can totally understand that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just different things that people are sensitive about and abandonment is one of the things that she has and that's the one thing you told it you didn't say.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, let's just get a two bedroom and then we're going to, you know, stay here or come up with a schedule or something you told her to get out like do you know delicate way or nice deduction you can get from that you know well and for him to come back and defend himself and say I never said that and just like oh you did you ask me to move out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to go and so for a week you were like get out and then finally I left so like.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, that's not what he was like, no, no, no, no, it's exactly what happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I tried to stay and after a week, you're like, no, for real, why are you here?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: If that wasn't enough, she says in addition to that, there was no effort.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he wrote to a woman 40s after the wedding, and he was asking her to prove her worth and then he was questioning her personality, and I think that is the answer to your question.

[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that motivated him to do that is he probably met someone, and he was like, I can't guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm married.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need you to go out to my conscience as a creep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's either he met somebody or somebody he had in mind before things got going.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he was like, yeah, it turns out I would rather you have this shot instead.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to leave now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was real bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they were showing all this while showing Sarah, his other connection, sipping wine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot she existed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was I was so happy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot about her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said when she tried to communicate with Charles, that she was met with silence.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she took a pause and she's like, excuse me, what's at it?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she took a seat [SPEAKER_00]: go at girl with Julia some.

[SPEAKER_00]: She thought she was going to come here and give good news and like and now it's a pregnancy and like whoa okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whoa.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, she doesn't know but she never took off her ring because she still has hope and that's the thing to note is that despite all of this, this woman unfortunately still has hope deep down.

[SPEAKER_00]: She still in love with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's salvaged and I'm like, [SPEAKER_00]: So he's still in love with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He man, tell him he doesn't want to twice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, nope, nope, nope.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not nostalgic, they asked him how he feels.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hmm, I'm not nostalgic for what I left because I didn't feel respected.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to distance myself and the way she's acting now, this gives me confirmation.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that these love-is-blind men have a script.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter what country, what island, what anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know I made the right choice with the way she's behaved.

[SPEAKER_00]: You hurt her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's supposed to be like, thank you, my Lord.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for her.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's behaving.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's behaving this way because of direction.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's, it's, it's wild to me because so often it's kind of like, well, I have no say at all in what she says and does she would say and do this regardless of what I'm doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can be the perfect husband.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's so react this way.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you see how she is, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, no, man, like you're acting like an asshole.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's responding to you acting like an asshole.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because it's also not in private.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a whole audience in the natural, natural people viewing this humiliation.

[SPEAKER_00]: That you did because you were out there holding a wall, hand to wall, professing your love.

[SPEAKER_00]: People already think it's a radical idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now you put them right and make me look like a fool.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's bad, it's sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he's like, oh, I didn't want to hurt her, but how to do it was right for myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just wasn't feeling good every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you know, I called, I texted.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did not respond and as a sidebar, then we get a shot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatiana and Cynthia together, just help, I was like, oh, no, he's the host asked them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this question, they keep asking all the time, and he just, at some point, got annoying.

[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think there's a chance that you could work it out before she even got it out, Charles was like, nope.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, see, I was going to say, you see what he said?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, like, yeah, why you ask if there was a chance, then I think they would have agreed to that in private and we would have said, hey, we're thinking about maybe another goat.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to say, you know what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Now that you asked me, I do think there's a chance.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if there was a chance, they would tell you guys, hey, we're still trying to make something happen here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he already texted, and that's for divorce.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Julie's like, I'm gonna be on a apologetic about my temperament.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is who I am, and they ask him what he learned from this.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, Julie taught me to be in touch with my emotions.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he apologizes to her again that he didn't mean to hurt her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's tearing up and I don't blame her because what is happening is like, don't tell me that I helped you be in touch with you emotions because now I don't [SPEAKER_02]: What really happened is she fixed me for the eventual woman I'm going to make so happy on the line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I would leave 5% window, like maybe something happened and maybe he really wasn't happy, but he's a man, I just know that it wasn't that deep.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not just turned off by one thing that could be probably worked on, but he's like not, no, I could do better and then that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: but I do think that Julie's more hurt because this is the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember like you said there was no physical attraction.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not hurt.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not what she likes and she's more hurt that she gave someone that she otherwise wouldn't have a chance and still.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's got to be tough to be like I made the choice to overlook a pretty big issue here and Because I did that I did a legitimately fall in love with you, and this is how you're gonna do me like that's Imagine beauty in the beast at the end the beast is like yeah [SPEAKER_00]: you read a lot so like I really want like a dumb girl so you get to get out of here like you can't be that and you you're the beast let me talk about we need a reimagination of beauty and the beast because beast is not even gonna feel like a beast with with all the options online on social media now well i'm gonna do that and get me somebody else [SPEAKER_02]: If you also eat one where at the end, you see the way that bell looks in like, oh, that's how you look when you're a human like, I don't want that Like never want to be happy you're free, but about a year now Okay, did you have anything else with Julie and Charles?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just again, boy, she looked great There's a lot of red.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's all like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll be honest.

[SPEAKER_02]: It looked really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah All right, I'll take a little break and we will be back to continue on this [SPEAKER_00]: All right, and we're back with Kim and Tomas.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do not know what Tomas would have said.

[SPEAKER_00]: That really haunted me the entire time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, would Tomas have said, yes, if they're there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, look, look, it looks not starts by saying, like, oh, I found your story so touching, because you realize that you don't work world together and you have differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think Kim was the one who found out.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had a difference, not him, but um, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then they show a montage of their differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not their happy times.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's basically Kim Bina Merla for math.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's it's good what it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question for you Brian.

[SPEAKER_00]: The one when they were at the restaurant and she was laughing at him for putting butter on the bread.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not cultured.

[SPEAKER_00]: What are we supposed to put butter on?

[SPEAKER_02]: What was she doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I thought she also put on her bread in the beginning.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when they what, when I watched it the first time, and I don't know if this was just the dubbing or not, it sounded like what he did was put some butter on the bread and then put more bread on top of the butter made like a butter sandwich.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cause oh, you made a sandwich.

[SPEAKER_02]: They can have a shy all the way, whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, if that, but it sounded like no, you're not supposed to spread this fancy expensive ass butter on your bread.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you just eat it?

[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't sound good for your heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, can someone tell me what he did?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it that he put it on a whole slice of bread or I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had a lot of guns.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it that she got a little piece and you supposed to put it a little piece?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because she was saying I'm gonna taste the butter, but food is meant for eating.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was a lot of branches different.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he did wrong, but just so I don't go embarrass myself too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more of a travesty that you don't know what good wheel hunting is, so there's that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then well, the part that he explained also isn't a help, but the white fart in bed, like Don't do that part I don't know how this dude got together.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is not This is like a Jordan and sparkly Megan That's what we are couple In the jokes that people were thinking that Jordan was like catching she got money, so he put in white [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, but I, you know what, they could be the case.

[SPEAKER_02]: When she was like, he knows what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, like he, he probably is just a really giving lover.

[SPEAKER_02]: He just, there are some of us who are just down like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get pleasure from watching you get pleasure.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it seems like that's what he was into.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I could be there.

[SPEAKER_00]: What they're saying is like, lock in.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting it all the work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Kim says like, you know, they ask her how she's doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh, I got a bunch of backlash.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm snooty.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's expected.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the one told us it didn't help honesty for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, not watching that reef force like they did not stand a chance with not a chance in the hell.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I thought they did.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says that she except her personality.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to change.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Thomas is like, she's not that arrogant like he just seems worse on TV and then Teddy makes a joke that Kim wrote him a check to say that, but he didn't land.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just awkward to the street.

[SPEAKER_00]: You knew the Kim was not there.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, anybody really.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Teddy says, [SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, we see you guys so insane, why did it not work out?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, guys, you literally just played a montage of their differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we not, like, they're not present.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just asking questions because they think that's what should be asked.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now that we're talking about it, this makes me wonder about the state of reality TV in France.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like is is are we do we know what to look for because we have so much reality TV here and Reunions here that it's like you're missing so many opportunities and why you're doing it this way I'd never been to France and never watched French television What if like this is not a big thing in France?

[SPEAKER_02]: We're like garbage reality TV It isn't what hits over there and so they don't know how to handle a reunion.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know but they missed a lot of opportunities [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever watched a reunion.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've only seen someone from love his blind friend before.

[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, if I had to take a quick stab, I just think it's a miss.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a good fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I set that for a number of fun jump.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why did he?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why is this giant Judoca hosting the show?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then did you just say, well, if I'm doing it, my wife has to do it, because it's just from driving before we knew anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, it doesn't seem like there's a fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all I need is like a different personality.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not terrible people.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't feel like they're like, because we've watched from different countries and it's all you need is the present.

[SPEAKER_00]: But to ask someone, why didn't it work out?

[SPEAKER_00]: After you chose not a montage of their happy time, a montage of their differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of redundant.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like one season of Kim Fields on Viosos of Atlantis.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I love Kim Fields.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're belong here.

[SPEAKER_02]: You are so confused.

[SPEAKER_00]: You belong here.

[SPEAKER_00]: You belong here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But even Thomas is like, I'm making French toast with puree that costs $400.

[SPEAKER_00]: What else is there to say?

[SPEAKER_00]: And in Luthin' I was like, oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know me and Teddy, we're so different.

[SPEAKER_00]: You dated 17 years that you're still dating.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the camp, and that's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: The camera keeps fanning to Klamo in the audience.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Kim was like, yeah, the differences were too great and her family's in the audience nodding as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, their family members all scattered there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Tomas is like, you know, she's always going to be a part of my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was there for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: and he cannot take that away from his life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, guys, that was it.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one said, I'm sorry for your loss.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: You go, what's this?

[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?

[SPEAKER_00]: They just immediately ask him, are you single?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, hey, well, you don't parents die.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, do you single moving on?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he's still single.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kim says she's still single.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, they didn't ask me if you would have said, yes, they bring him come on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently come on and Kim went on a date outside the experiment and she's like, his interesting is smart.

[SPEAKER_00]: but he's not ready to build something with someone.

[SPEAKER_00]: They asked him, Clement said, I don't know what Clement said, because Comet was just going on and on about his DMs are full, and he asked people, and I don't know if I'm not ready, but clearly, he's not ready, something about the pods, [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird salad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like he was kind of like, yeah, I mean, I went on a date with her and like, if she was down in the clown, I would have hooked up.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, my deems are flooded, you guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to like put in that much work and try to make it happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got women out the, out the wazoo right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do these people sign up for the show?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an epidemic in reality TV.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I honestly dating shows, it sounds like it's just a complaint, but then you get your diamond and a rough every now and then.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's an epidemic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone just wants to be an influencer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I talk about ready to love.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a guy that wasn't ready to love.

[SPEAKER_00]: He does not have a card.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does not have a place to stay, but he came on a show.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you just know that the goal is, okay, maybe if I can get some endorsements out of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can get myself out of this hole, but why the fuck are you dating?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you here?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a scary thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: The intentions are not there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's now an icing on the cake versus the goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: People are here like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: If I find love, that's great, but then they don't want to, [SPEAKER_00]: There's many other people waiting for them in their DMs.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what the cure is going to be, but I blame casting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like stop, stop casting people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it's only because I've seen so much maths, but like I remember back when they were doing the open call, they would be thousands and thousands of people like lined up, you can get five people out of that thousands and thousands of people that are going to work without you like going on Instagram and trying to find someone to look in for like a flat tummy tea brand deal like stop doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to shoot your pants.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, that's the way to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, quick a little break.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we are back, Tatiana and Yannique.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ask how they're doing, Tatiana's like, I'm fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ask Yannique how he's doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I went through a lot of emotions before today.

[SPEAKER_00]: just to update everyone on the things of air.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Storytime when Ricky because that's my source.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Nick is balling.

[SPEAKER_00]: As if you couldn't deal by his friends, by the things he wears.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not even, I can't identify like designers the whole time, but when I look at you, Nick, and it's not because I think he's fine, I can tell that this is quality thread.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is, [SPEAKER_00]: things that are upscale but elevated silhouettes yeah i know they tell us his job is like what did i say his job was like a special effects is right here something that's production yeah he's production okay actually works in Netflix they could use that show um i'm saying wrong looping we say looping oh i'm just like group all [SPEAKER_00]: Which I only know from the anime, so yeah, so the produce all that he has a bunch of businesses as an Airbnb has another thing that he does Shit and all that so now it makes sense like why would I not want to even if he didn't have any of that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I said this movie it why would he not want to review whatever cleanup thing that he's finding because I think yeah Yeah, we were wondering about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the notary is the cleanup Which whatever I call it and they had to a cleanup meeting which she never showed up for [SPEAKER_00]: And then they pivoted and made him go see her mom instead, which is why he was unprepared and he did not have anything to show to the mom and because we're like, this seems like he and he's like, why is he looking like he didn't want to be here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that why?

[SPEAKER_00]: They begged him, you know, to just show up for this and that's why he seems like there.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had another notary signing where Tatiana was late.

[SPEAKER_00]: She showed up two hours late and they had enough time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the one where he said, [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm after read this over, so they didn't have enough time for him to read that over and then the perfume date he actually called her an hour before while she was standing in the house to tell her that he's not he's not going to make it and she said, well, I'm still going to go and then he actually met her son we never saw any of his businesses we only saw no and he's someone in the comments is like, oh, that's why he was unimpressed when he saw her business because this is over.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have several warehouses.

[SPEAKER_02]: What is this?

[SPEAKER_00]: So having all this information, I was curious to see how this would play out at the reunion, if anything was going to come up and that will be a big fact negative note.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, put that in your pocket, they play a montage of their good moments, which I'm like, why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Show her going off the rails, show them arguing, show what their arguments with about so that you see yourself and then we talk about what is going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have this outburst where you write a script and you don't let the other person participate, which we saw play up again in this reunion.

[SPEAKER_00]: But once again, say you with me now, what did the host ask them?

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys seem to get too old together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you bring up?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's no chance.

[SPEAKER_02]: You saw why they broke up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Frankly, if you're going to show all that shit, show leather pants for more time for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just put them on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just put them on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Give them more time.

[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't thinking about your brand.

[SPEAKER_02]: Work there.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm ignored by the production team.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatiana says like it felt like she was living three lives basically being a mom, being a wife, and being a business owner, so she was basically overwhelmed.

[SPEAKER_00]: and didn't get any help from him.

[SPEAKER_00]: When he said that she forced things on him, she felt a type of wake.

[SPEAKER_00]: The host asked her, well, did you ever ask him for help?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, you know, we spoke about this on the phone yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, I had a call yesterday, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: And good time to be like, oh, did you just say yesterday?

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean you guys are in touch?

[SPEAKER_00]: What is your relate?

[SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: See you on the right by.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see all the right by.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she said she told him that clearly that was my fault, that, you know, I did not ask for help.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, that's a good start.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because honestly, with the Yani Kentatiana relationship, I'm getting a completely different understanding of this relationship and far beyond for me to defend a man.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she had her things because of her son, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I completely get that.

[SPEAKER_00]: She came in with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he also had his things because of his business.

[SPEAKER_00]: So part of the things I think story time we were Ricky was saying was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Part of why he wanted her to move in with him is like he actually owns his apartment and it's so hard to get out of you know to sell something like that in France Yeah, but her she's renting so it's just easier for her to like move in there and I get it's because the school, but it's also like his businesses are close by Yeah, so it's hard for him to rent his place and things like that so [SPEAKER_00]: You're not saying that your son isn't as always your son should be number one in your life, but if you are going to integrate somebody else in your life, you have to give some kind of room and I think the thing that Tatiana does is she just leads with I'm a mom, it's my son, but you have to be flexible in some areas and from what I get it's not that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Janik wasn't willing, again, he could be bullshitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, he could be bullshitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: But from what he's saying out of his mouth, I don't know his heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to do some things, but she's just presenting it as, it's this or nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what you need to figure out.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need to figure it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's not receiving it that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he stone walls.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's just like, well, this is what I expected.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think my son is baggage.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think I'm so glad he stopped his mom and said, [SPEAKER_00]: I've never called a child baggages, but the child is love.

[SPEAKER_00]: I issue, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, my take on this, I can agree with Tatiana, like my kid, you know, he's in first grade, loves his school, loves, you know, his teacher knows the bus route, all that shit is like, that would be hard in the middle of the school year and now all of a sudden it's, you know, we're changing all the shit around.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, that is something you discuss in the pods.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in the pods, you're gonna say, okay, I like where this is going.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk logistics if we get married.

[SPEAKER_02]: where are we going to live?

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't move because I don't want to take my son out of his school, his routine is important to him, etc.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also can't move because I'm close to my business.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need to be centrally located.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't going to work because we can't live in the same place.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if that's the case, that's the case.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if this is clearly a deal breaker for her at least and perhaps for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: then this should have been talked about early on in the pod and never should have gotten to the engagement.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, what were y'all talking about?

[SPEAKER_02]: How did you not, this is the first thing I would talk about is, you know, we saw it with Jordan on Love Is Blind U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he talked about it all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if there was anything that was going to be a deal breaker pertaining to his son that would have come up in the first couple of dates, so he would know like this isn't gonna work.

[SPEAKER_02]: This just seemed like a missed opportunity by them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they both failed in talking about the important things in their relationship, but I do think that not hypothetically what my gripe is is I don't know if there was a solution, but even if there was going to be a solution.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatiana was not opening room for there to be a conversation and you like, oh, we get her Airbnb.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, well, I already knew this.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's on defense move and she's trying to protect herself and like I knew this was going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just raises up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like being a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're just.

[SPEAKER_00]: creating the scenarios because from what again coming out of his mouth do not know his heart he's like it is not a problem but it's the fact that you're not wanting us to talk about it you're just like nope it's not gonna be this way because if he says rich as they're saying he could rent a place they could decide and it's not ideal but if they decide like okay we're gonna live in separate places just to make this work as temporary then we move school zones and then we move [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a fact for me that there's never a conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, well, you don't want to do this to me, then we're done.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that I can understand.

[SPEAKER_02]: She manifests failure like Darcy and Stacey like it's just I'm just I'm gonna make a problem and then when you get up with this a problem No, the problem is the big issue and you're the fall it's just like you know, these are these are real issues that need to be overcome If they can be overcome and if they can't they can't you know if I if I was suddenly single and I had a woman who was like Hey, I want to be with you, but you have to leave the Des Moines Metro.

[SPEAKER_02]: I might well.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't my kid is here like I'm not that's a deal breaker for me [SPEAKER_02]: if you have those you have those and that's not a personal feeling or you know a fault of your character but you've got to communicate that so that your partner knows so that they know okay I can deal with this deal breaker or I can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and I think they do take accountability because she says she didn't feel understood I do and I think her expectations were so high but she didn't give for grace or growth and anything like that she feels like her mistake was that she was looking for fun and chemistry [SPEAKER_00]: and not insisting on help.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, my memory remembers her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, thinking she did, like, she made it very clear.

[SPEAKER_00]: She led with her son, even if she led in some way, like, oh, it's going to be a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she still led, like, I'm gonna have to do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even when they came back, she's like, I'm gonna have to pick him up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go to soccer.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to work on Saturday.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna need you to stand in.

[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, I think that was mentioned, but I don't know what I'm gonna do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was mentioned in the pods.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she mentioned it once they were actually in person, because I can think about early on in our marriage.

[SPEAKER_02]: My wife was also like, I shouldn't need to ask you to do these things.

[SPEAKER_02]: You should just notice they haven't been done and jump in and do them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, yeah, with some stuff I'll do that, if I notice it's not there, but if it's bothering you that it's not happening, you might just wanna check with me and see if I've noticed.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it seems like she wanted him to, she said I'm going to need help with all these things to pick them up and do soccer and all that it sounds like she expected him to go, hey, why don't I take this off of your plate.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get him from school.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take him to soccer and he may not have volunteered to do that because she didn't make it clear that she wanted him to volunteer to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's like what you can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get mad that I can't read your mind and understand what you want me to do without you letting know it's a problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you let me know it's a problem, and then I'm like, tough break your on your own, that's a different thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I don't know, I only know what I know, you know, and so I wish you would have had more insight into what she meant when she was saying, like, I wasn't getting help, but I also wasn't asking for help.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was unclear.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's exactly what you just said.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the difference is with you and your wife, like I said, you have years of dating behind you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I said she's not giving you a roof or grace or a roof.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're dating someone does not have kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's even different if he had kids and he understands nuances.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is, he doesn't even know your schedule.

[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't had your relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: You went to Morocco, a getaway somewhere, and you went to a good life, and you didn't have to routines, the schedules, and all that stuff that he doesn't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand, we as women usually want you to, like, you should know, like, just common sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I have a child, I've told you I have a child, you should be like, how can I help you not?

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's brain hasn't attuned to that and I think that's what she kept saying like you don't understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is probably great.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's up to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to help with that?

[SPEAKER_00]: But even in him, maybe you should have occurred to him like, hey, where do you need me to help?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a failing on his part too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you're going to get it perfect, but it is common sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you've talked about how hard it is to be a single mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: So as I integrate into your life, where can I offer help?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, especially when you said, me being with you as a single mom is not a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to know that it comes in responsibility.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I will give.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sparkle Megan some kudos because he never forgets that Jordan has a son and where is he going to integrate in all life Is it gonna stay with us is it gonna do that like those conversations were had so after she says like, you know She was to keep a fun in chemistry Yannique says they didn't have time in the past ask about how will they live and I'm like you have nothing else to do But talk about what you do all you had time for.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you had time for But again remember like we said that their relationship came from nowhere [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bonding with that other chick who didn't ever even mention, they flashed over five seconds and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, it was Tatiana and we're like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: And even that girl's girlfriend, Tatiana and you're like, are you playing a game?

[SPEAKER_00]: How did you just come up?

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they really didn't have time?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But even if.

[SPEAKER_02]: Make time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Today's, you have time.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an important thing, like, hey, you have a son.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is this schedule like?

[SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to do?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he says that in Paris, it was back to reality.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at this age, you come with emotional baggage.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he meant our child.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that's goes for every one of us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, like, you've been dating for 20 years.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got 20 years of baggage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the life has happened to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a whole bunch of stuff happening to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he turns to her and says, I'll speak to you directly.

[SPEAKER_00]: The three weeks we leave together, I did my best [SPEAKER_00]: Cynthia.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatiana is like, yeah, you say that, but action speaks louder than words.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, he let her talk the whole time, didn't see him, but she will not let him talk.

[SPEAKER_00]: She keeps interjecting.

[SPEAKER_00]: She actually says it.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm not going to let you finish, because when from you was action, and you did not give me that.

[SPEAKER_02]: You give me theories.

[SPEAKER_00]: comes in and loses like okay what I'm hearing is like you never understood each other in his like yeah we have the problem of we don't agree and we don't agree on something and instead of it to be like okay where do we go from here like she's just like well that's it and that sounds like the challenges that they've had.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatyana is like I'm intense and if I disagree I'm gonna voice it and if that frustrates you that's on you to figure out I'm like what [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I guess there are guys who can handle that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think I'd be one of them, but I'm sure there's some guy out there who's like, say whatever you want to say to me in those other pants, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, to me, I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't just get to like dictate things and then I just do what you say.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what your pants are like.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not doing that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So...

[SPEAKER_02]: I, I just, I feel like she had an unrealistic expectation of what a relationship was going to be, and rather than communicate her expectations, just got mad at him that he wasn't living up to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a recipe for disaster.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was going to be inevitably, like, with any relationship growing pains, but with them, it was like, extra growing pains, because there's a third person, they have to factor into their lives, and they haven't figured out themselves, and that's why I always say.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not against people with children coming on here.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like I'm feeling for the child, especially if they actually met.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now you put them in the situation that they didn't ask for and it's just harder to integrate because you can't vouch for this person.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have anything about this person.

[SPEAKER_00]: At least if you date it then or some signs or the things that you observe, but you never know and it's a gamble, but you're not just gambling with yourself, you're gambling with a little child in this scenario.

[SPEAKER_00]: He does say that her intensity has never been the problem and how tries to explain how, for example, they fought every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds exhausting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every single day, he was like, you know, I'm going to go to my place just so we have some space and just so we can get some air and like, because this is too much, she interrupts and we get [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, please let me finish.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, like, I did ask you, is it okay if I go to my place?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, no, we're about to get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anything you're gonna do, you stay in home.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can stay out of fighting him, but at the very end of the day, you come home to sleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when he realized that they don't understand each other because he's expressing your needs so clearly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, I don't know, which is kind of right, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I was at the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you can't go sleep somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I also wasn't going to say, go out to a five in the morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, you should be home.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like a reasonable hour and get in bed and go to sleep.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's different.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but imagine me fixing my lips until my wife.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm kind of stressed out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go sleep somewhere else tonight.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, stay there then.

[SPEAKER_02]: Stay gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like there is no, I'm going to go sleep some roasting come back tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, we're married.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to be [SPEAKER_02]: where I'm at at my time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I yeah, can I devil advocate you that they're not married yet?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think in my know, I'm married.

[SPEAKER_02]: But even when I was living with my wife, I wouldn't be like, I'm going piece out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had my apartment for a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't like, I'm just going to go sleep in my apartment.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, that's where all of my stuff that isn't fitting your house is at.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all that is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's to what my friend said.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says the reason why they do all these things is like, one, the people in my house do not see it as a valid marriage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right on.

[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like for love is mine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't take their engagement seriously.

[SPEAKER_00]: They still see them as you're this person.

[SPEAKER_00]: I met that I happened to propose to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why everything goes perfectly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then it goes perfectly.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if not, like I'm still a single person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he says that he was expressing any clearly that he still went ahead and went home.

[SPEAKER_00]: But get this, the next day, she's already interrupting, but he manages to finish that cheating to him and I was like, you know what, it was good that you went to your home because it did us some good.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, and I think what he was trying to express is just like her inflexibility.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like just getting a room to like, yes, you've created a story, but what happens if you go plan B?

[SPEAKER_00]: It might still work out, but give it a chance, but just because it didn't go that way, doesn't mean like that's only way, that's the right way, and then that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But see how we did your good and you don't want to acknowledge that, but you want to fight the fact that I actually left, which I don't know who's right around that at this point, I was just there just really different yeah yeah so they go to her mom and the mom says like she was happy when her daughter said she found love but when they go back it was just too many things.

[SPEAKER_00]: That she says that, you know, he says he accepted all her baggage, her son was part of the baggage and that's when I mentioned that you meet corrected her and said like he's not baggage and I think that's something She shares with her mom they don't listen [SPEAKER_00]: I just, they don't let you talk, they don't listen, they don't do anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ask him about meeting her mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says he was not prepared for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, she reminded him of his mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: I told y'all, she's a typical African mama.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's lying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because when he spoke to her at that thing, he told her, like, I have never let anyone, not even my own mom speak to me the way that you just did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if we need to say, oh, I don't mind, make me question you to think that he's lying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which now makes me question everything else that he's saying when he's like, oh, I don't mind that you have a kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind that you're in tents.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you just seeing things eloquently and calmly, but you really mean them?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and given the fact this man was drenched in sweat, I wonder if that was also part of this because I'm a sweater hot lights or hot lights that could be a problem, but this man was driven so like I mean it's being stressed out could be he was hot.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what material that blazer was made out of, but it didn't seem like it was the most breathable fabrics and maybe he was just hot, but he was I felt I felt room in that moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: um they pivot weirdly into dating and she's like she's not dating until someone understands her and my tattoo and I hope you give them a chance to understand you and for you it's not them because it goes both ways um he says the thing that he learned is like he didn't realize how easy it was to fall in love and for him now like love is also thinking about the other person [SPEAKER_00]: And then they bring Galian up and people are sharing the friendship.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was so stupid.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, you know, first of all, I didn't need him to come up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you did what you did, it's fine, peace out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't need an explanation from him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, I didn't need for him to be like, oh, you know, hey man, shit happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was just horny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I didn't need any of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to bring him up shame him.

[SPEAKER_02]: But don't like make this like a silly, didn't that funny, like, no, two, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was time for me to be like, oh, I already knew I was leaving.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was just like, oh, I'm just going to fuck it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then leave.

[SPEAKER_02]: You are a new, you're leaving.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you're still going on dates with women, leaving them all.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like they were endorsing it because they came and were like let's remind people you broke the rules.

[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like the winner and yeah, he said he knew he was already going to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: They was having moments that he needed more time.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not that kind of person.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when that happened, he slacked off.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like what does that mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's like ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: So funny and like what is funny here?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like they were all a dinner with the guys and there were someone who cut their eye And he let them engage with them and all I'm asking is where are your handlers?

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the producers?

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the people who are trying to prevent leaks and so how did this happen?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I'm confused that they highlighted this because this is showing a gap You're showing the netitude of your [SPEAKER_00]: producers, handlers, whoever that they have the opportunity for him to meet a girl and they were able to get to a point where they could hook up.

[SPEAKER_00]: What else did you miss?

[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_02]: You sequester these people in their hotel and pay for their room service and shit for the two weeks up there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just let them like, hey, all the guys, go out to whatever restaurant you want, talk to people, get drunk, have sex with women.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you have to.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to do this for real, be serious.

[SPEAKER_02]: It takes two weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: No one's asking to be locked down for four months.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you can do jury duty, you can do this for a couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, anyways.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the people at a good time would go in, not a time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like you had a fantastic time.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they bring Sarah up and after she's been, she's like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been good.

[SPEAKER_00]: They play a montage of all her mean girl moments.

[SPEAKER_00]: Julie has daggers coming out of the eyes.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ask her if she has regrets.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I have regrets, but it wasn't me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, well, you were a little harsh.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you know, I apologize for the rooftop that was when they attacked Charles.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't always choose her words well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she apologized to Charles.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I mean, he's cute.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, on top of that, I mean, he has blonde hair and blue eye.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, once again, we're bringing this up again [SPEAKER_00]: So Sabrina says that they could have been because they also get Sabrina on that and Sabrina says that they could have been delicate but they never questioned him and choosing Julie that wasn't about that it was a bunch of backtracking that's a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah nonsense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no one asked Julie, how she felt.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't give a shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can't.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's obvious.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, this thing you do in a reunion is a, hey, Julie, how did you feel watching that for the first time?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Very strange, very, very strange.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we moved to Cynthia and Jonathan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm sure it's intentional, but this was the translation that I got on my close caption.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lutheran just is then by saying like your love story was as intense as it was short.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was pretty petite.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she would like to know what happened after the engagement party.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cynthia Smith says she was clear in the mission to win him back and the we're messaging her and I mean, what is it?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's out, body, oddying, putting hand on everything he was ready.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she said it got to the point where she felt like she was forcing love.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had a fight and then [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, like, so much stuff had happened that the cult was too deep for them to move past things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cynthia says that the moment they met, she just felt like something was off and also she didn't recognize herself either.

[SPEAKER_00]: He tries to emphasize that it was not totally about the height that there were other things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she said the only reason she's angry is that he didn't leave when he had the realization that they were not compatible because they were themselves apart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you knew this from John, why didn't you just leave?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you also felt, you said the way you met things were off.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you also could have left.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then we found out that Jonathan is in a relationship with Alice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do we know Alice?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who this is.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had apparently a pretty intense back and forth for multiple dates.

[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't see a lick of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They friend zone each other and they didn't think anything about it and she doesn't know how to flirt.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they had a good time, but once again, no one asked Cynthia.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you planned, did she come to you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did she say anything?

[SPEAKER_00]: They just pivot to Chloe and that's on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, all right, at this point, I'm ready to wrap it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that was what I'm like, okay, how much longer?

[SPEAKER_02]: 20 minutes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what are we doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we moved to Chloe and Alexandra, they do their montage.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even ask each other together as their first question or like, you show your good time for us and then they start talking and then they say, what is their status?

[SPEAKER_00]: I just assumed to work together because there was two of them all that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what is their touch in a little bit?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like, unfortunately, we're still married.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, huh?

[SPEAKER_00]: But we're separated.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like separated.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, as we saw, he was hesitant and like, I loved him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, to love like you have to have the things to the tools to work through, and it's so funny because the absolute cover, this man did everything he could chase her away, including living in the mountains, she's like, I don't know what else he need.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, this was this was Peppy LaPue in that poor catacop and sexually assaulting.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's trying to get away, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, he's like, okay, boy, what if I say, I might want to go be a monk in a monastery?

[SPEAKER_02]: I love monasteries.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was just on board for whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he said he expected to develop more feelings for her, but he didn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the host got it right this time to like so why did you say yes and he's like I just saw her at the altar a thousand times more beautiful than she usually is and I really just wanted to give them a chance and you know it's a it's a rock in a hard place because honestly sometimes we say you know just see how it goes yeah and see if it works out and he did and I guess it just didn't work out so Kim is tearing up and she's touched and Teddy's like well are you guys still seeing each other like you [SPEAKER_00]: Read the room.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like no, but they keep in touch every now and then and they're like Chloe, do you have feelings for him?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, yeah, I just doesn't disappear that it was there and he thinks her for Giving him the time of the day and for being a listening ear.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go somebody else doing emotional labor for Yep, yep got your everything that's why I'm [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, I see why they left them for last because on the see there was nothing and who knows, maybe they didn't even do them last They just showed them last in the episode [SPEAKER_00]: But Sabrina and Van Me, they just go straight to their montage and Luzna was like, you know, you just told her I love you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you say no?

[SPEAKER_00]: He says I went through different emotions and I saw her at the restaurants and it was just an intense feeling and basically he was saying he just fell out his mouth.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just said I love you, but then at the wedding, it was like someone threw a cold water at him and you woke up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's rational.

[SPEAKER_00]: Never want to hear that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, ow, shh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you never want to hear those words come out to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Serena says, it affected me, but I respect his decision.

[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I think he made the best decision for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have their differences.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she felt like she usually had to go after him, and she was leading the relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he admits to not having the right reflexes.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did not express himself well.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't doing the right things at the right time.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Teddy says, you said, like, you wanted to continue, like, maybe not yesterday wedding, but you still wanted to continue to date.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, we call it each other a few times, but things just sizzle, so I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think what makes it weird for me is, I don't know if they had sex.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I always remember when Sabrina threw at him doing a fight and was like, no, you just wanted to fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, whoa, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: If she was right and he just found her attractive, but he knew deep down that he wasn't going to get married.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was annoyed that he came on the show at all because from the very beginning he was like, I'm too shy, I'm very conscious of what, you know, my family is going to say my culture doesn't allow for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to embarrass.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was too in his head.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why they cast him at all, because he just felt like he was going to say, you know, regardless of who it was.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did it, which I mean, I, yeah, why'd you come on the show?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why'd you propose like all these things or weird questions?

[SPEAKER_00]: even the proposed it's like why do you say I love you that part really because I was not it and then she's like I love you too I'm like you guys stop stop it no it's not healthy so Sabrina says that she's seen someone he's not but he's happy that she's seen someone they asked them all this love line to they all give their answers thank you for sharing your time and being brave to share with us and yeah [SPEAKER_00]: the end.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've this over.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so sad because Rans ranked really high for me, but then this reunion just kind of took it down, not just in exactly [SPEAKER_02]: I was I was enjoying everything up until like the last batch of episodes with the weddings and the batch of parties.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, well, this is nothing's really happened in here anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm just like, okay, these weddings, whatever, the reunion, whatever, like they had it started off strong and then it fell apart.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather go the other way, where I'm like bored in the pods and then we get wild shit that happens up until the up until the wedding.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it doesn't help that we're also dealing with the craziness of love is my USA.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got villains galore.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got weird people on there.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got a blind lady like they gave us all kinds of fun stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, that was it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you have anything else to add.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I guess if you're in Netflix, watch that Ed Gien show.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's spooky season and then it's a spooky [SPEAKER_02]: So do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason I am going to check it out is like, they have been trying, trying so hard to make Charlie Hwnham a thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this man, aside from Sun's Amaranaki, has not been able to just hit the sweet spot of being a successful actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was the person who 50 shades of grain.

[SPEAKER_00]: He turned down.

[SPEAKER_00]: And who knows what that would have propelled his career to.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this might be the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's Ryan Murphy, but Ryan Murphy's overrated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I said yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan is is going on past glory.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Murphy is now fooling it in.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just throws a bunch of stuff together and like, eh, she's take my name is Ryan Murphy.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a good American horror story season in many years, you know, I think I don't know how involved he was in this because like I saw he wasn't the writer, the director of the producer when they showed the credits at the end.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I know he's involved, but he is not, it's just he's not, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Charlie Hanham, I don't know if he's going to win any kind of an Emmy for this or not, he's acting his ass off.

[SPEAKER_02]: like he's doing a voice, he's got a droopy aisle that like he is, his physicality is different.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he has fully vanished into this role, he is acting his ass off.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'll probably get a nomination if his people push hard enough because let's be honest, guys, nominations are not about, oh, you did the best where it's people in the vehicle that you have behind you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not too far out, [SPEAKER_00]: When nominations at least, okay, it's not to far up because golden, but at the very least golden gloves.

[SPEAKER_00]: The golden gloves like things up a little bit and give it random people he get because that's in January.

[SPEAKER_00]: So nominations are right around the corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he.

[SPEAKER_02]: Check out his voices.

[SPEAKER_02]: His voice is disturbing his hell.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, it's no weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he gets it.

[SPEAKER_00]: His feeling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were so hard, like you went to Maryland in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: She got the nominations and then went right back to obscurity.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get it, Charlie.

[SPEAKER_02]: It gets one because you can easily, you know, if you're okay with like a ton of really gross gore because the show is gory as hell.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, keep me here for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, don't watch it then because there's, I don't just do what I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I close my eyes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hear the coming there will come on.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's the show that got canceled?

[SPEAKER_00]: That was about serial killers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a serial close show.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's canceled now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was on Netflix for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mind hunter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my hunter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hear that there is a little commu crossover.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I hear that they're bringing that back to.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just too soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I enjoyed it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know how we got here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Brian, cheers.

[SPEAKER_00]: My fault.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I host Maps version.

[SPEAKER_02]: Me and my friend Kim, we are winding down the DC season season 10.

[SPEAKER_02]: It might be available somewhere, probably not.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you can find it, go ahead and check that out.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can join our Facebook group, Maps version fan club.

[SPEAKER_02]: Follow us on Instagram and Threads at Maps version.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have the new season coming up soon.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be all over that when it drops.

[SPEAKER_02]: We decided we're doing one episode for each episode on TV.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to be exhausted for a month, but lots of content for you guys there.

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