I was out four Wheeling in the mountains in Seligman and my girlfriend was ahead of me and I seen this crazy thing off to my lap and I said what the heck was that?

And she told me that they're all over up there.

So people think they're not real, but they really are.

I've seen them.

About a week later I get a call from my coordinator who tells me that he has been released from Hospice care.

They have said that he was fit to go home and he is still alive to this day, knowing that I know.

Holy SH.

Oh, OK, I where are you on reporting?

Holy heck.

And I was like, what are you, What are you talking about?

And she brings up the camera footage and it's literally just.

Holy shit.

Wow.

That's giving me chills, man.

Oh my gosh.

In the beginning, it was a terrifying moment.

I even got on the phone and messaged one of my sisters to log on to the cameras and see what was happening, and she saw it as well.

Wow, it was very powerful.

Everyone, before we launch into our deep dive into the Palmyra Toll murders, Joey and I wanted to take a moment to share some of our favorite highlights from another show that we're a part of called Beer, Booze and Boogeyman, which takes place the first Saturday of every month at

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Bye it was.

So interesting though, Jared.

Hello.

Caller, I'm calling to ask you if you guys believe in the Bigfoot or the Jackalope.

Well, we just talked to Bigfoot, so.

We now believe in Bigfoot.

He talked to Bigfoot.

He was on the show.

He was just on the show.

But Jackalope, that's an interesting.

One what is?

What is the jackalope?

Can you describe it to us?

It's like a antelope rabbit.

It'll be probably 3 to 4 feet tall.

Has antlers I've.

Heard of it?

You mean you can look it up?

They're real.

Have.

You seen anyone in Seligman, AZ with my own eyes?

Yes, I was out four Wheeling in the mountains in Seligman and my girlfriend was ahead of me and I seen this crazy thing off to my lap and I said what the heck was that?

And she told me that they're all over up there.

So people think they're not real, but they really are.

I've seen them.

Wow.

What did you did you think to like try to get a picture and maybe it was too fast or did that even occur to you like cross your mind?

I didn't even have my phone on me and this has been like probably over 12 years ago, so I wouldn't even have had a phone back then because I was slow to technology.

Do you think they're like some kind of scary creature, or do you think they're just some kind of creature that's just around there?

Do you think they're mean harm?

Oh, not harmful, No.

Oh, it's just kind of scary because I've never seen anything like it before.

No, they didn't seem vicious.

So I've, I mean, I've obviously like I've seen the, you know, the, the taxidermy Frankenstein jackalopes, right?

That's like kind of what was popular?

Did they look anything like that or was it like, Nah, they didn't get that right at all?

Well, I can't say that I've seen a Franken.

I mean, it doesn't look like a Frankenstein at all.

I haven't seen their taxidermy of a jackalope, but you have to see a picture.

So I mean that's they're pretty common at some of the like the more rural bars in the Southwest, like I've seen them at Dive.

Bars in Southwest.

They'll just have a fake Jack lope, obviously, where a local taxidermist has taken a rabbit and taken antelope horns or deer horns or small horns or whatever and put them on it and call it.

A Jack Lope.

Pretty close, pretty accurate, I would say.

They're just a lot bigger than what They're a lot bigger than a regular rabbit.

So yeah.

OK.

Well, I'm going to call on out of here all.

Right.

Well, thank you for that.

Hop away.

Have a good night.

Honestly, I think that that could be a real thing.

I mean, there have been a lot of rabbits with deformities that happened and that have grown bigger.

Hello you are live.

Can we get your first name and where you're calling from?

Hi, my name's.

Tim, I'm calling from Northwest Ohio too.

Tradition Ohio, man.

Anna, where you're from, that is actually, yeah, technically I'm from about about a mile and a quarter from where you where you live right now because I got your IP address.

Tim, I know where you.

I'm just kidding.

Tim.

Tim is my brother-in-law, awesome human being.

And I asked him to call in with a story that I remember he told me years ago.

He's told me this multiple times.

It's always been identical.

And yeah, I'm very excited for Tim to share the story with y'all.

It's, it's not really a ghost story, but it's a, it's kind of weird.

I was, I leave for work at 2:00 in the morning and I was sitting at a red light and the light across from me turned green to go because they have a left turn light.

And then my light turned green and I just sat there.

And I don't know why I just sat there, but I did and a car went across in front of me probably doing 4050 miles an hour.

And the guy, when he went across in front of me was like.

Slow motion looked at me and he had no face and it was like what the hell I first of all why did I just sit at this light and then why did this guy go in front of me with no face when he looked at me?

You know, he's like a.

Black hoodie over him with nothing in it and I just like was just sat there and the light turned red and I still just sat there for, you know, the next green cycle.

Yeah, just kind of freaked me out.

Hey.

So my story I'm I'm going to make it short and sweet because my tractor is running off of GPS and therefore if I'm on the phone I lose my mark.

My husband passed away a year and a half ago and my life changed overnight, literally overnight.

And he loves electricity.

And I did not hear from him for the first almost year.

And then one night I was watching television in his man cave and the lights started flashing.

And it was the weirdest thing and it was scary in the beginning.

And then I started asking questions, John, is this you?

And it would flash once I said, are you OK?

And it would flash again and I would ask him questions.

And this went on for a long time.

And when I said, are you OK, it flashed so hard and so fast that it was like a strobe light.

He loves.

He loves electricity.

I walked away.

I mean, I was in the beginning.

It was a terrifying moment, but within a few moments it I was filled with love and I even got on the phone and messaged one of my sisters to log on to the cameras and see what was happening and she saw it as well.

Wow.

It was very powerful.

And the ironic thing about it is that Kristen, who also is my sister, was asking John earlier that day, unbeknownst to me, she was in her car and she pulled over and she said, John, Beth could use you right now.

And I don't know what conversation they had.

But.

That night it was just crazy.

And I have it.

I mean, there was witnesses and it's happened.

It's never happened in that room again, but it did happen in my bedroom and in my bathroom.

And there's nothing wrong electric electrically, electrically, the bulbs are good.

I've had electricians in there, everything is fine and it's never happened again.

Yeah, but.

He also played with Kristen's lights one time in her car.

He loved.

3 * 3 times yeah, he does love his lights yeah he.

Loves his lights.

Her and I have had these discussions before and I'll have to fill you all in later at a later date on, on, you know, a bunch of stuff because I've, I, I think everybody in this family has heard from him at one point.

But that night, I remember that night being just significantly, it was just significant.

It was.

It was definitely him.

It was him.

All of my sisters has, yeah.

All of my sisters have heard from him because he loved us.

I mean, it was kind of a standing joke in the area that he had a harem because I have so many sisters, you know, and he loved my sisters, just loved my sisters.

Call them his ladies.

Sounds like he was a damn good man.

Like to be, to be you.

Know he was A to.

The family, right?

And and to be loved that he deeply yeah, and he was a strong silent type, but.

Oh.

Yeah, words were few, but they were very meaningful.

They were mostly through Morse code.

All right, troops, absolutely all.

Right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I got to get back to track.

We're in.

Bye, bye, bye bye.

Bye.

Thank you.

Hello caller, you are live.

Can we get your name and where you're calling in from?

Or be anonymous if you want.

Let's go by the name Lilith today and I am from a town in the Midwest area.

It's interesting you bring up the ha ha you just had because I, I'm a Hospice worker and I have been doing it for several years.

My very first Hospice client, I walked in, he was a quite a young man who had severe problems with his respiratory and his body was shutting down.

So we were called in and as I came in, he proceeded to tell me that he needed to get something off of his chest before he died because he wouldn't be able to die unless he did.

And I, I have a ministry background.

So of course, you know, I, I open the floor to his request.

And he then proceeded to tell me a story about when he was 10 years old and his uncle had found out that his other uncle had violated some children and his uncle had put him up to murdering what would be his brother, right?

So his uncle and he did it and because of the situation of the family, the cops kind of just were like, oh, OK, you know, it was an overdose.

It was this, it was that and they just let it go.

So he ended up getting away with it, but he lived with this pain of knowing that he murdered someone in his family and got away with it.

And then as he got older, obviously the reality that his his uncle had talked him into this situation started to bear, you know, even more weight on him and he started, you know, using drugs and of that situation, which got him to these health issues as they were.

Right.

So we have this conversation and I leave there and I'm just kind of in shock.

As I said, it's my first day on the job and I have this like this heavy thing just like laid in my lap.

About a week later, I get a call from my coordinator who tells me that he has been released from Hospice care.

They have said that he was fit to go home and he is still alive to this day.

Knowing that, I know that he murdered his uncle.

Wow, holy.

Okay.

Does that bring up any questions for you?

Yes, it does.

We got we have to ask.

It's it's kind of the the question to ask.

I mean, where, where are you on reporting?

Did you did you do anything?

Did you report or are you hanging on to it?

Well, I'm, well, I'm, as I stated, I'm a minister and I also hold other titles to where I unless he does it.

I I mean, I can encourage him, but I can't, I can't do that myself, no.

Totally holy heck is there Dang so especially as a as a ministers.

And you?

There's.

Go ahead.

Sorry, no.

No, you're good there.

There's a little bit of a delay, so apologies.

But yeah, is there, what kind of advice gets shared among folks within your fields, right?

Like folks specifically that, you know, ministers or even just within the Hospice field as a whole of like folks that might be encountering things like deathbed confessions, you know, these huge admissions?

Is there like a, is there training involved in this?

Like what, what kind of goes into it?

Because I, I can't imagine this, you know, things like this are rare in, in the lifespan of a whole career.

Right, So that's a really good question.

So basic how this worker, I wouldn't say there's training on it.

There's just kind of an understanding that when people are in Hospice, they're on a lot of meds, they're going through a lot of stress and everything they say might not be fact, right?

It might not be what is quote UN quote real.

So a lot of times I, I feel when a lot of Hospice workers get these deathbed confessions, they're just like, OK, you know, Mr.

so and so, and they just kind of go about their day because the one thing it's a really hard, it's a very difficult thing to digest some of the things that we are that's put on our altar in that position anyways.

And then you kind of add that.

And then you have, you know, that cognitive dissonance of, oh, I should tell someone and you know, this person is dying and you know, their sins will be forgiven, whatever your beliefs are, right.

But as a, as a minister, all I can do is encourage them to seek God and to allow that space for the physical part of man's law to work through that aspect of God.

And most ministers are that way.

We, we get a lot of things put at our altar.

And you know, the reality of our duty is we are the the ones at a place where we're supposed to be able to hold that and to understand that there's a divine plan behind that event.

So we just kind of encourage forward as we can and.

That is that is rough.

That's a lot to a lot to carry and a lot of respect to you for for taking it out.

Yeah, I mean that, you know, I'm not I'm not someone of faith at all, but IA 100% respect the fact that you know, you you're really making yourself a vehicle for your faith.

You're allowing to, to practice you're, you're applying forgiveness almost in a sense like you're, you're helping to aid in the process, if that makes sense.

I don't know how to how to phrase this, but that that's such an intense moment to be catching confessions and admissions and like the the mixture of emotions that has to be involved in that.

Because you go from hearing things like this to, you know, I'm sure many times folks actually passing and then also having to console family maybe with the thoughts of what the person just admitted still in your mind, you know, like that's a that's a hell of a responsibility.

That's a lot of respect to you for that.

Yeah.

And I want to say thank you for offering this space because I, you know, because of my work.

And I think, you know, I have held this for a really long time.

And you know, it's not, it's not Even so much these things happen.

And then it's like when they stay alive, you know, there's this whole human aspect to it.

You know, I was like, oh, this person knows that I know this thing about them, right?

That could that.

Could make for some awkward.

Some awkward instances at the post office just being like, oh, hey, I haven't seen you in a while.

Oh.

Gosh, especially if he if he wants.

You just stay out of that town, right?

What are the chances, what are the chances that he'll wind up back with you when it is his time?

Oh, you just gave me God question.

I didn't even consider that as an option, sorry.

And and if it is, you know, I guess we'll just be sitting there and, and I'll just have to start with a pray, you know what I mean?

I hope he doesn't come in with being like all right, so I know last time was heavy but something new happened but like no OK.

You thought the last time was a wild wagon?

Yeah.

I don't even like the Godfather movies and I quit.

I quit the clock.

I'm out of here.

It's absurd.

Lord, you are testing me.

Right, and I can't really tell who's talking by the screams, but whoever was was mentioning about holding with these people.

And you know, the reality is too, you know, regardless of you know what the title of minister, you know, looking at that situation, he was a 10 year old boy when that happened.

You know what I mean?

Like, how do we, how do you, you know, I always have so much reverence for people who work Hospice work because, yeah, it's, it's this the finding the humanity and all these parts that are just, you know, seemingly unattractive, but they're real, you know, that it's really real moment.

And to like, you know, Hospice people just have this really beautiful way of kind of bringing a a beauty to that transition.

So yeah, I appreciate you guys having this line open and kind of offering the space because I I would have smile and with this on me and it it feels nice to just kind of let it out there a little bit.

So in a in a got in the place worker and.

Been like I know someone that murdered somebody and just give the deathbed confessions of other people each time you just.

It's actually hold on, it's just been 1 murder confession for thousands of years, just passing around like a monkey's paw.

Is there that?

'D be the worst.

Paying it forward of this, yes.

What, what's the so, so especially around like Hospice, if you heard any from other folks, maybe even like stories where you, you heard it from, I guess like a peer Co worker, you know, your acquaintances in in the fields.

And even if they didn't believe it, let's and we can always lighten the mood here.

What's the funniest deathbed confession you've heard?

Has there ever been a funny deathbed confession?

I guess I should start with that.

I, yeah, I would say there's a lot of what I would consider humorous deathbed concessions because there's, there's things that we, we genuinely believe in our lives that are like really, really bad, you know, and we'll like carry that shame for like our whole lives.

And I like the funniest one was quite recently, actually.

It was like a 94 year old woman and she was talking about how when Coca-Cola came into those machines for the first time and her mom didn't have the money to get one of the Cokes out of the machine.

And so she stole one of the Cokes.

And she held the guilt of stealing this Coke literally her whole life to the point that she had to tell me because she felt it was like what was holding her to earth.

And it was just, it was beautiful and it would like, broke my heart all at the same time, you know, because I think it's so it was so minutely small.

And the fact that she actually felt conflicted about it shows that she's a good person, you know?

You know, But it was, it was funny and enduring and flight, you know, considering everything out.

Yeah.

I'm gonna have to warn her from beyond the grave to Coca-Cola has some very, very good legal teams and they might go beyond the grave.

I have a Ouija board in court being like you.

Know 19.

40s, fifties, probably 50s maybe when they first became in the the machine 60s.

Yeah.

We're gonna look for that $0.05.

Look at.

That 5.

Cents five plus eternal interest, right?

Yeah.

It's gonna be ice cold.

Wherever you.

Are you're just you can only do every time you drink something?

Man, I could only wish that I was such a good person that the worst thing I ever did was steal a Coke from a vending machine, right?

That's that's a good person, right?

There.

Oh, bless it.

Yeah.

That is.

Yeah, yeah, fantastic.

Yeah, I agree.

Anybody.

Wants to give their of us the beer of reason Boogeyman team.

Wants to give your deathbed confession right now.

She's on the line.

She'll listen.

There you go.

Yep.

I'm good at listening and I won't tell anyone other than random people on the Internet anonymously.

I don't.

Yeah.

And we we sincerely appreciate it.

We did was that was fantastic.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you so much.

And if you if you know.

Anyone else in?

The field that also needs to get something off their chest or something they know that they need to get off their chest in a similar thing.

Shoot em attacks let's share our live stream.

We're going to be going for another half an hour or so.

This is we're we're doing it for calls exactly like yours.

Fantastic.

Thank you so much for for calling in love.

That was great.

Thank.

You so much.

That was amazing.

God bless.

Thank you.

Bye.

Bye.

Dang.

Wow, that was awesome.

That was.

All right, everybody can hear.

Them Do you want to give us your first name or nickname and where you're calling in from?

My name is Troy.

I live in Northwest Ohio.

I was working in 2012 in a Dollar General as a manager and we had another manager at closing time and we we're closing down the store.

The front doors were already locked and everything seemed to be going pretty normal.

I had heard walking around one of the the the food aisles.

So I go down the aisles and I just kind of like do little checks and whatnot.

And I see like this got to be like about four foot 10 little old lady.

And I was like, ma'am, the store closed already.

I can let you out the front if you need to.

And it just seemed like she wasn't hearing me.

So like I'd kind of like speak a little bit louder, try to get her attention.

And it eventually got to the point where I had to like go up to her and I got super close to her.

Just looked like a normal old lady, probably like sixties, 70s, somewhere around that age.

And I started having a conversation about how the store is closing and how she needs to leave.

And, and I was just like, if anything, if you're not going to be long at all, I'll ring up your items.

And then I'm starting to get like a notification on my little like walkie-talkie that my manager is telling me to come to the office extremely quickly and it's an emergency.

And I, I was just like, I can, if you want to bring up your items to the, the register, ma'am, I can ring you out here in a bit.

And I go back into the office and she's like, what were you just doing?

And I was like, there's a little old lady still shopping out here and she's like, what are you talking about?

You literally were just talking to like nothing.

And I was like, what are you, what are you talking about?

And she brings up the camera footage and like, it's literally just like starts with me, like kind of like looking down an aisle and like talking.

And there's nobody on the camera the entire time that I was talking to this lady.

Oh wow.

Oh, that's giving me chills, man.

Oh my gosh.

It did.

It did me too.

That that that trumped my stories at my dollar.

But I'm not working at Dollar General, but close enough.

That's awesome.

Damien, do you have any follow up questions?

I know I.

Got some questions about that like or just some like so was there a long history of things like this happening?

Like did you, did you come across to anybody else like over smoke breaks or anything like that where you're, you know, how much did you talk about this afterwards while you were working there?

And was there any rapport from other folks about similar events going on?

We had like no idea anything like this happened.

The manager that I like caught me talking to an Mt aisle.

She had been working there for about 5 years before that and she's like, I've never seen anything like this or even heard anything like this.

So like that was just crazy.

And like, we ended up showing a good majority of the people who work there and even like the district manager came in to like take a look at it because his nephew worked there as a cashier and his nephew told him about it.

And he was like, no way, I'm I'm coming in right now.

It it just ended up being like this big spectacle between all the workers that work there.

That.

Is that is.

Nuts, man, that is nuts.

Have you had any other experiences like this, like you know, like is are you going through life with like Damien's style of magnet towards paranormal things or like you know, is it was this kind of like your one and only like real intense experience?

Actually I was for, I want to say like the last 17 years or so, I've been a paranormal investigator with DAPR up in Northwest Ohio.

A little thing that my my godmother put together little ghost hunting group and we've done a whole bunch of stuff throughout the state of Ohio.

But yeah, just a little really long history of being able to see and experience these time types of things.

That's amazing.

You are live, Can we get your first name and where you're calling from?

Hello.

This I'm this is Bob.

I'm calling from tech.

Bob.

Hello, Bob.

Cool.

Hi, Bob, calling in.

Bob with Bigfoot Club, OH.

Hey, yeah.

Thank you for calling in SO.

What's going on?

Nada, we are.

We are collecting stories.

OK, I got 1.

I, I was the former Bigfoot researcher for Texas Bigfoot Research Center in the early, late 90s, early 2000s.

And when we first got our our website up and going, we would get, we were, our goal was to get like stories, like least sighting reports in Texas, but we end up getting them like nationally.

So we got one from Kentucky and it was this lady, and I hope I can say some of the stuff on here, but I got this one call from this lady and she was she.

So I end up calling her.

And so she said, yeah, I have a Bigfoot coming down the mountain.

I guess she was right, right close to Appalachia.

And so this Bigfoot would come down the mountain and and she said because this Bigfoot wants to have sex with me.

And I said, OK, how do you know this, this Bigfoot was coming down the mountain and it was wanting to have sex with her.

And I said, keep going.

And then I go, OK, I go, how can you tell?

And she says, well, he's coming down the mountain and his his junk is glowing whenever it comes down.

And so at the time, at the time we had my mentor, Luke Gross with me and I asked him, I go, hey, I go, is that possible?

He says, well, Bob, you know, some, you know, there are some phosphorescent mushrooms and you know, maybe that maybe this Bigfoot got into it and, you know, and then touched his junk and then now he's coming down.

So, so she would, she would tell me that he would, it would come down and like and like bang on her trailer and, and so she would yell at it and then it would eventually go away.

And so we didn't, I didn't get a chance to make it out to Kentucky, but I did reach out.

I did reach out to a local Kentucky group and see if they could take it.

They never got back with me on it.

So that's my story.

Bob, I need to hop in real quick.

Can you find that e-mail you sent to the group in Kentucky?

Because I think that that would be a fascinating e-mail if this is true.

Hey guys.

No, we haven't talked much, but I got a question to ask.

Wow.

OK.

Hello, you are on.

Can we get your first name and where you are calling from?

Yep, you there.

Yep.

Whenever you're ready.

You.

You.

Are you are live?

And if you're not, then we're in a lot of trouble.

Oh, hey.

Oh, I'm done.

Oh, good.

Good.

Yeah.

This is Gregory Fedora.

Hi, Kristen.

Hi, Gregory.

I'm just on South Mountain here in Maryland, so I'm calling from Maryland.

And so so my story goes back to about 199192.

I used to live in Dayton, OH, and it was at the US Air Force Museum and I worked there and the US Air Force Museum is one of the largest and it's way bigger than the Space and Air Museum at the Smithsonian.

And they have one of one of the planes that dropped the atomic bomb over I think over Hiroshima.

And the story was at night you would go and there's these huge lights that are about 20 feet long.

They're big, like fluorescent lights.

They're huge sayings.

It was super heavy.

And at night, supposedly it would like swing like a pendulum.

And I, I was kind of friends with like the security guards who are actually MPs for the Air Force.

So they're like legit like dudes who were tough and you know, I, I got to talking to them and they were telling me about it and these guys were like, you know, they, they thought they were bad asses all the time.

So but they would not patrol at night because they said all this weird crap happened because all these like airplanes were like from World War Two, World War One.

Some had been in crashes, some had people have died, you know, during the war in them.

And but I was fascinated by it.

And I one evening there was a big event and they had like all these people there and I, I volunteered to work because I was like kind of hoping I'd get to go in the back and see some stuff at night.

And near the end of the event, one of the guys came up to me and said, dude, you want to go check out the, the thing in the back.

And I was like, oh, yeah, let's do it.

And so we go walking around and we went around the corner and I look up and know why like that light was swinging like a pendulum, none of the other lights but the one over the one airplane was just swinging back and forth like and it never slowed down.

And we stood there for like 5 minutes and there's, I cannot tell you, I have no idea how or why it was doing it made no sense.

There's like no, like even if there was an air duct near it, there's no way it could be blowing enough air to get it to do that.

And there was no air duct near it.

Oh, it was on the other side of the hanger.

And it was like blew my mind.

And he was like, you want to go back in there?

And I'm like, no, no, I don't want to go back in there.

Like I was like, I don't want to know what else is going on in there.

I got.

Just seeing that was enough for me.

So you were with the rest of the crew after that of just like, yeah, you know what, not so much going out at night over there anymore was this.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like now the guy that went back there with me, he had like, like other stories that he had told me about, and that's why he's going to see if I wanted to go there.

And one of his stories was.

And the reason he quit going was he at first he's all about, yeah, I'll go.

I don't care.

And as he was patrolling, he went around the corner and right next to that big bomber is a was AB 17 bomber.

And he was standing there and he heard this like clicking noise like click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, like.

And he's like, what is that?

And he turned and he looked and one of the machine guns from the B17 was pointed right at him and making the clicking.

And he was like, holy shit.

He was like.

And he said he goes.

That was the last time I ever went back in there.

And I go, dude, yeah.

And then he was like, you want to go see if it's doing it?

I don't know.

I don't want to see that.

If anything's going to put you in your place, it's having a full fucking machine gun pointing at you trying to shoot.

You right.

Like, right.

Yeah, yeah.

While you're just doing your job, you know?

Wow, That's that is yeah, that was my workplace.

That's it.

But I haven't experienced anything like CNA.

I mean, I've gone up to Gettysburg and I've done other things.

I've and like done some dial rod stuff and I've had some weird answers and some weird experiences like that, but like it would to that for some reason that was the freakiest thing to me.

Like it just because I couldn't, could not come up with a reason why that light was moving with the downloads.

I, I could make up in my head like, well, maybe I'm doing it or this, you know, but that, that, that light I, I to this day of like, I cannot figure out how that did that.

It's like, wow, was this so sorry?

If I missed this part, but like was this light above the aircraft that was also pointing a machine gun and trying to fire at somebody, No.

No, no, no, this was above like there's, there's two airplanes that drop the hunt.

One was over Nagasaki and one was over Hiroshima.

The one that I think that was it 1 is here in, in Washington, DC.

The other was in Dayton, OH.

And it's the light that is right above that bomber and then the B17 bomber is right next to it.

And but the light is literally over the wingspan of this plane.

And it's like really like, yeah, if you go back there, like the light is like at the same length as the wingspan of this huge.

Think it's AB28I can't.

Remember, but there's going to be a.

It's a big barn.

It's going to be one of those two airplanes, right, Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, the airplane that killed 1,000,000 people, you know that?

Yeah.

Like to this day continues to have a paper right on peoples lives like just like yeah.

Yeah, holy shit.

Yeah, you got to say.

You got to think we're lucky here.

That was cool, but kind of weird and kind of and also kind of like because you know, possibly why it's on it, you kind of feel like, oh man, yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Like a million people vaporized because.

Yeah, it's.

Not just some spirit angry that they stubbed their toe or that like, you know, like, you know, I don't know, diapers weren't on sale or something.

You know, there's, there's something mild going on with that aircraft, you know, like, damn.

Oh, yeah.

Well, well, thank you.

Thank you for calling in man.

Well, thank you.

Yeah.

I can't wait to hear the rest of the ghost stories that are.

Happening right man, Thank.

You.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you.

Night night Gregory, that is such an awesome story.

Hello caller, you are alive.

Can we get your name and where you're calling from?

Hi and my name is Melinda Wolfram and I'm calling from Tennessee.

Hi, Melinda.

Hello, Melinda, calling in.

Welcome.

Very proud to be here.

Hey, Damien, how are you?

Good.

How are you?

Hey.

I'm doing good.

Great to hear.

So what do you got for us tonight?

Well, I mean, Damian invited me to come on in and I am a psychic medium, a psychic detective, and I've done the seances, I've done a little bit of everything.

And he, you know, told me that you guys were doing this.

He offered for me to come on.

Of course, I was planning on staying on as long as I could, but I was called into work and some on my break and I thought I'd give you guys a call real quick just to be able to, you know, to talk about, you know, I could talk about whatever you guys want to talk about.

Of course, my expertise is the second detective work I do, but you know, I'm willing to talk about whatever you guys want to talk about.

This is interesting.

Yeah, OK.

We got it for 15 minutes.

What do you guys want to ask?

Quick questions.

So let's go with it.

Well, I'd be curious.

I'd be curious to learn a little bit about maybe seances.

That's something I've always wanted to try, but I've never been in to one, never been invited to one.

Have you have you LED any?

I have led a couple, yes.

I was brought through and taught, you know, I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing because a lot of people, you know, they go in and they, you know, they play with the Ouija board, they do the seances.

And if you really don't know what you're doing, you could get yourself into, you know, some situations.

But I was trained under Patty Negrie and she is just an amazing teacher.

And but yes, I, I've held a couple myself and you know, I've done the tipping table.

I've done all of that stuff.

So, you know, the seances is something that I really, really enjoy doing.

And, you know, there's certain ways, certain techniques that you've got to know to be able, you know, for the protections of everyone involved.

OK.

But I mean, they are just, you know, the first time I'd done one on my own, you know, I was sort of like, not for sure because you know how it is when you're doing something new And but they can be really amazing to bring spirit through.

And I was doing 11 time.

The second one I'd done, we a little, a little girl came through and what was weird, you know, was that I was trying to figure out who she was and the, the parents was in the room and, and she, her dad always called her teddy bear.

And I said, whoever this little girl's here for, I said, she's saying that her dad caught her teddy bear.

Oh my gosh, you are to see her expression.

And so, you know, they, we went through and we, we've done talking about it and then we know, we conversed with her and she was like, she was only 7 when she passed.

And she was just wanting her parents to know that she was OK.

And their, the father felt like it was that he could have done more to save her.

It was a drowning.

And but she was, you know, she was very adamant.

She wanted her parents to know that no one was at fault, that it was her time.

Even though it was hard, it was her time.

OK.

Can I ask how, how did she come through?

Are you, are you a physical medium?

Are you channeling in these sessions?

I am a physical medium.

I can see spirits.

So basically when what I see with spirit is they're like I can see through them.

I will see their features.

I was I can tell us what color hair they have, but I actually I can see through them.

Wow.

Wow.

Somebody, somebody else take it or I'm gonna talk her her ear off.

Yeah, How long?

How long have you been doing this?

And also real quick, if anybody has any questions in the chat, please just start throwing them in there.

If you can put them in all caps, it'll help us see it.

But yeah, how long have you been in doing this?

Because you also you do detective work and stuff like that.

I imagine you didn't just, you know, pick up a psychic medium work for Dummies book on, you know, Monday and started on the weekend.

Like it's just been like a lifelong.

Thing No.

Yes, I asked her to see in the spirit of the earliest I remember is 7 years old and I have done it all my life and I'm 56 now so I've done it for a long time.

You know, it was, well, I had two near death experiences, but there was the incident when I was in school and I, it was 7 years old and we were in class and, you know, it was a Monday and the teacher was standing up there and she said that, you know, one of our classmates had been in the accident over the weekend with her parents and she had died in the accident.

And I'm like, no, I'm like 7.

She's at her desk because I could see her and the teachers like, no, Melinda, you know, stop that.

You know, you're, you're upsetting the other students.

And I'm like, I can fear she's at her desk.

You guys don't know what you're talking about.

And so it was, so I've done it all my life and that I've turned it into the, you know, mainly, you know, I do connections for people now, but I, I do a lot of psychic detective work working with law enforcement and family, OK.

That's.

That's great that you do that.

See, you're almost 50.

That's not at this point.

So yes, yes, I've done it for a long time.

You've had like some really good experience with families and things like that, like connecting them.

Has there ever been like really bad experiences that you've had?

There's something that you've been just like, I'm not going to do that again.

Well, I have been the two.

Well, there was a family and there was some things going on in the home.

And so a paranormal team called me in to to see what I got and it ended up in a I've been through 1 exorcism and I do not ever want to do one of those games ever.

You know, they're very few and far in between.

You know, a lot of people think, you know, everything that's dark is is demonic and that's not true.

But that's one of the worst things that I've been through is to watch an actor actual exorcism, and that's something I I did not care for at all.

Yeah, that's a, that's a no go.

Now that's a you had that experience.

And yeah, yeah, I'm good at all.

Do you still get calls somebody?

Said, yeah, I mean it.

If you know, if I'm really, really needed on something, I will never turn nobody down, even if, you know, it's something like that.

But I try to stay clear of that.

What would you recommend to folks newbies to Ouija boards?

What's your take on Ouija board?

Well, I have my own special one that I had made.

And if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.

But also don't look at the Ouija board as something you shouldn't do.

Because to me, a Ouija board is no different than using tarot cards or Oracle cards or, you know, whatever it is you're using, you know.

But if you do not know what you're doing, if you don't know how to open and close and the prayers and everything that you need to do, then you shouldn't be, you shouldn't be dabbling in it.

Yeah, that's what I would advise.

Do not dabble.

Make sure you know what you're doing.

Yeah, yeah.

Damian was just telling us, like his his only experiences with the Ouija board.

He didn't know how to close it out.

He's in and out here on the screen.

He didn't know how to close it in and out.

What's the likelihood that something has stayed with him?

You know, if, if you don't do the proper procedures, and I mean, there's a lot of steps that I do and I use holy water in my opening and closing.

I use the, the elements because I am Native American and so I'm very big about using the elements.

And but if I'll put you to you this way, more times than not, I have been asked to come and help on someone that actually worked on the Ouija board.

And they did not know what they were doing.

And they did bring something in and they thought it was something good and it wasn't.

And it was, it wasn't demonic or nothing.

It was just something of a darker entity.

And so, you know, it's a, I'm going to say it's a 5050 chance that you could bring in something if you're not opening and closing in the right way.

You hear that, Damian?

And Damian, I can teach you how to do it.

Yeah, he might.

He might need some help.

I think he's got, he's got.

Some I think he's got to do it.

He's definitely got some darker entities messing with his Internet did.

I beat you to.

It Gil, did I beat you to it?

No, that was that was great.

That was awesome.

This, this honestly does explain so many things about how, like the D boost is like constantly being plagued by just like random knockings and crap and things falling down.

He's sending us these videos and stuff like every single day.

Like at this point, it's just like we the hours of highlight reels we could put together from like a group chat.

So this explains a lot.

This is also why you don't fuck with shit you don't know.

That was the survival advice I was giving just before you called.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it.

What I'm like, I don't know if y'all are too, but I'm just kind of like overwhelmed.

I was expecting like one or two little stories, but it's like, I don't know, I'm a full blown professional.

I've got, you know, 50 years and I was just like.

I know, I know if I had.

An hour.

We need more time.

An hour with you, Melinda.

Oh my gosh, I would talk your face off so.

Well, girl, anytime I'm I'm open, I'm here.

Just hope in any way I can.

And I love to talk too, but unfortunately I was called into work and, you know, and I was like, Oh my God, I got to call them at least for 15 minutes.

And we really.

Appreciate it.

But anytime you set the bar high anytime at all?

Awesome.

And we do if you, if you have just a like a minute, minute and a half left for one more question.

Thank you.

So yeah, a question coming in from the chat.

Two things, wondering if she ever had a bad experience.

And the other question is how does she suggest I learn how to use my tarot cards safely?

Two different questions.

Feel free to grab either one or just ignore both.

I don't know whatever you want to do.

OK, so OK, the what was the first one?

It was wondered if she ever had a bad experience.

It was coming from Tim Buckles.

Yes, I had went with a paranormal team and to to a house that was having a lot of activity and I kept going down to this lake area.

And then like, you know, three days later, after it was all said and done and, and my kids were talking to me and they're like mom and I and I looked out for what?

And they're like, what are you talking about?

And I'm like, what do you mean?

What am I talking about?

And they're like, you were talking about stuff.

We have no idea what you're talking about.

And so then I had to call my medicine man and I had him to come over and I had an entity, well, a spirit that was trying to what I call, how do I say this?

They're trying to blend with me.

So, so that was was not a fun thing.

It took about a week to get that taken care of.

Of course, I had thought I'd done everything appropriately and I had not.

And this is back when I was first learning about, you know, going on to with teens and helping them.

But now, and now I know what to do.

And now that will never happen to me again.

And that was like when I was in my 20s.

And as far as the tarot question, you know, I, I do hold classes, I teach a lot.

But you know, one of the things, the first thing I would suggest for anybody starting out with tarot is to make sure that you do an opening prayer and a closing prayer and, and ask for protection.

And, you know, if you use God, if you use, I use creator because like I said, I'm Native American.

It's whatever you see as far as the higher being and, you know, ask, ask for protection.

Got you that.

That's what I do.

OK.

Do you hold your classes on via Zoom or Patreon or YouTube or anything like that?

I do hold it on Zoom.

And so yeah, I, I do that.

I, I make my own essential oils.

I do a little bit of everything, guys.

Cool.

Awesome.

Well, thank you so much, Melinda.

We're not going to keep any longer.

We know you got to get back to work.

We're going to get all your your contact info from Damian on the other side and let you get back to it.

But we really, really, really appreciate your call.

That was awesome For real.

I.

Don't know if you can.

Hear me, but thank you for calling guys and like I said, anytime.

And Damian, thank you for inviting me on.

And just like I said, Pat, I'm here to help and I'd be, I'd be honored to come back on.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Plan on it, girl, plan on it.

OK girl, I will talk to you that soon all.

Right, Melanie, have a good one.

Bye.

You too.

Bye bye.

That.

Was awesome.

Wow, dudes.