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Thank you, as always so much for tuning in.

Let's hear it for the man, Myth, the Legend.

Our super producer Max Fabio Williams.

Fellows actually have my hair down right now.

Oh yeah, dude, don't tell hr.

It sounds like I'm the Sopranos referring to a sex worker.

I mean, I got to rock the twenty four inches of hair that I'm coming right now.

And for a good cause maybe because if you get tired of it, we know you, well, you are the kind of person to donate to you something like Locks of Love.

That's the plan that's been for about three years now.

Yeah.

No, you said you found another organization that you prefer.

Uh yeah, it's what is the name of it.

It's like it's it's like wigs for kids.

I think the name of that.

If that's not the name, then I you know, I don't know.

The same thing that always bend to donate the hair.

Because it was like COVID was coming around and it was like ten inches long.

I was like, oh, let's keep throwing it.

And then the cove.

It's a commodity.

It looks good.

You grew it yourself.

Then.

Also, like you know, it's been like what four or five years since that point, So.

Yeah, about four or five hundred degrees here in Atlanta, only just now starting to turn to the proper fall fall half fallen, y'all, and I'm here for it.

Yes, we are a tumnial and I've been bullen.

That is Noel Brown.

And here at the end of summer we are heading into autumn and our fair metropolis of Atlanta metro area.

We thought we'd celebrate with a pretty weird idea and all something kind of meta that's been on our minds because you know, over the years, you and I have explored all sorts of bizarre people, places and events throughout history, and I think it's fair to say that our north star has always been what makes this specifically ridiculous?

Sure, yeah, for better or worse, sometimes more than others.

But we do try to not you know, do a story that's just purely a bummer.

They try to have some sort of ridiculous lift in there somewhere, but it's true.

And you know, Bet I never you know that both of us are fans of etymology, and we're always wondering where words came from.

But I just I've just always accepted ridiculous for its own merits.

It never even occurred to me to ask the question, where does the word ridiculous come from?

I'm not sure if that says more about me or more of about the power of the word.

M Yeah.

Despite almost eight years of creating new episodes a week, which puts us around eight hundred and thirty two episodes this October, folks, Yeah, despite diving into almost every imaginable angle of ridiculous things, we have never asked about the word itself, which is itsself ridiculous that we didn't ask?

So what is this word?

Where does the word come from?

Today we're solving the mystery.

We're over the moon.

To have you a board with us.

Oh, I'm gonna put forth that it has something to do with something that is worthy of ridicule.

Maybe, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Let's get into it.

Let's get into it.

Let's get into it.

It's not that hard actually, as it turns out, to define words.

It's a pretty common word in English, unlike words like what is this sesqua pedallion?

That's okay.

This is a new one on me.

Um, yeah, Ben, give give it to us.

What is sesqua padallion?

It technically means two things.

It means a foot and a half long, and it means a person who loves using long words to just or to describe long words themselves.

And so, to be clear, that second meaning is almost always used as an insult, dissing people who engage with overly verbose language.

And you know, it's kind of self defeating, right, The irony is not lost on either of us there.

I think you're sort of like pot calling the kettle black there a little bit.

If that expression is still allowed, I think it is.

Yeah, Yeah, it's weird.

It's a pyrrhic victory to criticize someone for being wordy by using one of the nerdiest dang words in the English language.

I think people would literally drop dead of eyrol if someone were to use this like out loud in the context of like a diss.

I just don't think I could handle it personally.

I've only heard it deployed in common conversations when I was in the Ivory Tower of Academia.

And there it was a burner.

There was a banger, sick ber mic drops bidallion.

Right, the conference is over.

Everybody steal as many sandwiches as you can all the way out.

But there are academic sandwiches are the worst though.

Man, they're those tiny little ones.

I had the concept of finger foods.

It always gives me the mill like it.

I still don't understand, you know, the concept of high t cucumber sandwiches.

We'll get into some of that when we talk about the Kentucky Derby and the Masters and their sandwiches.

But what we're saying here, folks, is out of all the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of words in the English language, no one sure how many there are by the way, ridiculous, it doesn't really stand out.

And that's why folks like Noel and Max and myself are never really questioning it.

As you said, we're sort of accepting it.

It is not the most common word in the English like whiche.

Can you guess what the most common word in the English language is.

I'm not picking up what you you heard this, it's the T, not like thhe.

So let's get to it.

And what does ridiculous mean today?

Well, I think we all know that it typically refers to something that is extremely silly or potentially even unreasonable.

You know, you can say, man, you look ridiculous talking about someone's outfit being a little outlandish, or you could say you're being ridiculous, meaning that you're being obstinate, or you're not giving an inch, or you're like really digging in on something that you absolutely should not be doing.

Cambridge describes it as stupid or unreasonable, and ding ding ding deserving to be laughed at, worthy of ridicule.

Ouch, not nice, Cambridge.

They've got some acerbic wits over there at Cambridge.

Yeah, I guess someone was having rough day at the dictionary factory when they wrote that.

When I mean, if we want to convey that meaning, we are not limited to the R word.

You can also use synonyms like absurd, cock.

Eyed, idiotic, laugh.

Kaka maimi.

Yeah, kaka maimi is of course the favorite.

Uh And that's.

That's what I put a link to as well, because it's just such a weird word.

I wish we could do our own show all.

About ridiculous words or ridiculous etymology.

Ben.

You know, I don't think I've ever seen kaka mamie in print before.

I had a really outlandish kaka mami spelling of it in mind, but it's actually a little bit more.

No, wait a minute, there is an alternate spelling, though apparently less common, which is more what I had in mind, c O C K A M A M y, though the more proper spelling would be co O C K A M A I e uh.

And of course again, you know, stand in for ridiculous, something that is worthy of ridicule.

Even the word ridiculous is in the Webster description for kakamamie.

Incredible is another one that I've always found interesting, sort of like awesome.

If you say something's incredible, that can mean you're really impressed by it, but it can also mean it's kind of someone maybe telling a whopper, you.

Know, yeah, without credibility.

Right.

So this shows us throughout the evolution of English, it shows us one thing, all of the daddy languages that led to English, all it shows us is that for a long time, for the course of human history, people have been talking trash.

And this gets us to the evolution of that specific word ridiculous.

It's time for I'm doing a drum roll in less Mexic gets a better sound.

Etymology, Yeah, etymology indeed, not to be confused with atemama, which is a delicious snack.

Ridiculous is a surprisingly old word, and it used to be damn near fighting word right, way more mean than anyone would ever use it as today, again more attacking somebody's credibility.

It's first documented all the way back in the fifteen hundreds.

The Oxford English Dictionary's earliest evidence for ridiculous in print is from fifteen thirty three.

It's found in the writing of a guy named Thomas Elliott, not spelled the way you think, a humanist and a diplomat.

His last name is often spelled Elyot or Elyott.

But I think we should take a second to shout this guy out.

Most people probably haven't heard of Tommy, but he is one of the main reasons fiction books you read today are in English instead of Latin.

You knew, isn't that weird?

We didn't.

It is weird.

I didn't know one person could have that much influence.

He is one of the very first people who said, hey, let's perhaps write English literature English, since that's what so many regular people were speaking in those days.

So it might sound like a little tiny historical footnote, which kind of is.

But again, it's a lot of influence for one person to be able to change the tide of language like that.

It's tough for us to fully grasp how incredibly important this person was, and again changing the way we communicate, the way we consume information.

M M.

Yeah, it reminds me of how we marveled at the invention of containers way back in antiquity.

At some point before the discovery of containers, people just had to live by the water until somebody, right, until somebody figured out you could build a thing to hold other stuff.

The humble vessel.

It seems like just an idea as old as time.

But yeah, you know, it's funny.

It's one of those basic things where it's sort of like it implies a newfound understanding of the way matter works.

Right, What if I took this stuff and put other stuff inside the stuff, and can I find the right stuff the right stuff?

Yeah, let's try different stuffs, see what works the best.

Exactly, this is wild.

So all we're saying is shout out to you, Tommy, Eh, back to ridiculous.

Fast forward just a few years.

By the time we get to the fifteen forties, it's spelled ridiculos, r id y c, ridiculous l O U s E.

And that's still pretty mean.

It means worthy of ridicule or huh contemptuous laughter.

Ooh, contemptuous, very mean spirit of perhaps someone in the in the stockades, worthy of being pilloried, you know, having tomatoes and stuff thrown at them.

The implication would be imparting a sense of vast inferiority, an idiot, a loser, an absolute buffoon, someone who is beneath you.

It is an absolute character asassination.

To use this in those days, yeah, it's calling.

Calling someone ridiculous means you are, you are massively lesser.

You are for the birds, you were straight up a grade dumb.

Not to be taken seriously.

And when we get to English, like so many words, we learned that the English use of ridiculous comes from Latin ridict culus, which means laughable, funny, or absurd, and that comes from madeira, which just means to laugh.

Can I just say, but I applaud you for your use of the phrase daddy words.

I just the child in me giggles every time a little bit, but it absolutely is a fantastic descriptor.

So we're gonna talk about some daddy words.

Yeah, and also shout out to past us when when we fell in love with I still don't recall whether it was a song we seriously worked on or if it was just a game we played, But we had this rap game called Daddy Daddy math.

Yeah, we're like, blah blah blah blah blah, that's daddy blah blah blah blah.

I don't know, I don't know what it is.

It's a simple math.

We'd never built out the world on that one, but we can't tell you.

Ridire is also the daddy word of risible, which is confusing.

I wish it was used more often.

Yeah, I don't know about riseable.

By the way, is daddy math maybe the calculation you determine how many bastard children you have out in the world.

There, we're perhaps like a you know, a despot, historical despot, Djengus or Nick Canny.

Yeah.

So for centuries, like we're saying, ridiculous was a hard and righteous dis mockery, as you noted earlier, fighting words.

Throughout the sixteen hundreds, we see a lot of fiction and nonfiction writers, including Shakespeare, using ridiculous in that sense.

Sometimes they spell it different ways, mainly because everybody at this point was still trying to figure out how stuff would be spelled.

Literacy was a pretty rare skill.

Set, for sure.

No, it was a big deal, and they were kind of spitballing a little bit, you see, before they land on the one that kind of sticks.

And oftentimes that is determined by someone very powerful who perhaps you know, codifies the printing of a particular work, and then then that begins to spread because the more consistency you have, the more people pick up on and then the more it's passed around and reprinted, et cetera, one hundred percent.

And this is where we arrive at the eighteenth century.

Ridiculous, however you spell it, becomes a little bit less of a mocking fighting word.

It's starting to evolve to mean something that is more funny or haha, not necessarily.

In a mean way.

It's absurd, but it's amusing, it's comical.

I guess what we're talking about here too, I mean, is the evolution of language where know the word you could absolutely still use it in any of these ways, but it begins to really depend on like the emphasis you put on it when you speak it, the context around it, you know, what your attitude is towards the word.

So we're kind of we're not even necessarily talking about the purely the pure evolution of a word.

It's just sort of like it picks up different umamis along.

The way, right, Yeah, well said, well, because what we're talking about is language as technology, and so we're really talking about the way society evolves in their usage of a thing.

Right, and this is this new this like coke two of ridiculous, is the uh is the more friendly version of the word, because it's still traced back to uh ridicularious meaning concerned with jokes, which we definitely are on this show.

Was it thirty Rock where there was like a fictional rapper named Ridiculous who was sort of like like ludicrous sort of stand in satire and parody.

You know, we were talking off air with Max.

I've been rewatching thirty Rock, which is just phenomenal writing.

I would have to finish watching the run of the show.

But I'm sure you're right, if not in thirty Rock, in some show, that joke's just too.

Good, it's too good.

Yeah, and I having our I don't.

I couldn't possibly know how to spell it ridiculous.

It's I'm spelling it correctly and nothing is coming up.

But it's like comedy joke rapper, ludicris Perry, parody.

Maybe yeah, parody would be good.

It doesn't matter.

It'll come to me eventually when I don't care.

But I'm almost positive that it was thirty Rocks.

And we obviously are huge fans of thirty Rock.

We also you know what I love about the point you earlier made is we're also talking now about ridiculous acquiring informal meanings like one thing that can happen if you are dating, especially here in Atlanta.

I remember a friend of mine got kind of mythed when he made a joke and it landed, and the lady was interested in went, oh, you're stupid, but she meant that he was funny.

She is stupid funny, right exactly.

So, when we see the same thing happening with slang, and the word ridiculous and all living languages constantly creates slang, let's go to the Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words by how did I not know about miss Franzil today.

That's incredible, and this exists.

It's multiple editions to man.

This is written by James Orchard halliwell I was first published in eighteen forty six, but we are using the eighteen fifty two version because per our accounting department, we are not quote made of money.

That's true.

It's true.

And this is what he had to say on the subject of the word ridiculous.

This is used in a very different sense in some counties from its original meaning.

Something very indecent and improper is understood by it as any violent attack upon a woman's chastity is called wow, very ridiculous behavior.

A very disorderly and ill conducted house is also called a ridiculous one.

So in this situation, it's really starting to get like honed in, almost on the level of like a legal designation.

Right it's really like hard in terms of its its judgment call.

Especially because to us right now, ridiculous means funny, interesting and cool, silly goofy, you silly goose.

But right right now, I think we'd all be more insulted if someone came to our homes and called them ill conducted.

I don't know why that would steing me more if someone said.

I would be impressed if they whipped out that Turner phrase, And you're right, it probably would cut me to my very core.

Yeah, it feels like they thought about it, right, So we also see to your point, more than a little discrimination comes into play with this slang as well.

In the twentieth century, in the United States, ridiculous was described as a synonym for outrageous, and the people who described it as such always wanted to point out this is primarily used in Gullah speech and quote among poor whites in Ozarks.

Yeikes.

Yeah, man, It's another one of the things moment where you realize that any form of a word that describes something being stupid or ill conceived or outrageous, it has a basis in othering.

It has a basis and this is something that is different than me that freaks me out, you know, And it's a way of demonizing a perceived other and the way they talk, the way they dress.

It's still used today, you know, it's I mean, it really all just boils down to this idea of something being worthy of ridicule.

What what worst designation could you slap on something than being worthy of jeers and insults and derision.

Agreed fully, and any word can be weaponized, at least in English.

For instance, think of innocuous words like urban and think about how keeevily that was deployed, especially in the advent of the War on drugs, or dog.

Whistles for racist not not.

Let's not get too far into this, but then you've got words like that that you know, initially are sort of benign, and they start referring to certain demographics in certain areas.

We even see it in the categorization of like music, you know, and that's an official term used in like radio circles and charts, right, like music charts, those examples.

Where is that taking the word back or is that another example of an establishment referring to something with a little bit of a side eye?

Yeah, And this is where we get to the serious side of ridiculousness.

We've established our origin story and we've got some other words that sort of fill out the background of our painting.

We've walked through what we hope is some tasty etymology for our fellow logophiles word nerds, oh my god.

But before not not fans of the not, fans of logs, not fans of logs.

That's a different read election.

But before we light out for the old podcast territories, we do want to establish some serious value of ridiculousness as a concept in the ancient past and in the modern day.

Here we have a second Tommy entering the stage.

Please, folks, holt your accolades and laws.

This is a tom you have probably heard of none other than Thomas Hobbes.

Think that the imaginary Tiger and Calvin and Hobbes is named after Thomas Hobbs.

It's spelled the same That just occourats me seeing it on paper.

First off, I have chosen to believe he is very much a real type.

Oh fair enough, excuse me the spoiler.

But I also I believe you are absolutely correct there, especially when you see written out right.

The legendary English philosopher Thomas Hobbes is probably to most of us best known for an absolute banger he wrote in sixteen fifty one called Leviathan.

He first kicks the idea of what we call social contract theory.

So it's a nice idea.

Yeah, it's a nice idea.

I mean, isn't the social sorry not a d re but is given what's going on in the world.

Now, isn't the social contract kind of reliant on people just agreeing to follow certain rules and like, in order for the privilege of living in society, you have to kind of give up a little bit of into individuality in favor of, like, you know, getting along.

We all sort of abide by these rules that are mutually agreed upon and beneficial.

Yeah, you nailed it, man.

Social contract theory is the idea that you, as an individual human, either explicitly or simply by existing in society, you have agreed to abide by rules of that society, to have certain responsibilities in exchange for protection and maintenance of social order.

We know that this goes in a thousand directions, but the idea at base is that it takes everyone to make a society work.

We're not a philosophy podcast yet, but we do have to give you one more fun fact about Tommy h He spent a lot of time ruminating over the concept of humor, and to him, the nature of ridiculousness and absurd is central to the theory of Beaty.

Here Max, what makes funny?

So encountering the ridiculous triggers laughter, shock, parody, satire.

Also Hobbes, by the way, super duper hater.

Yeah, man, he had some He had some hot takes, that's for sure.

Definitely, Uh thought very highly of himself.

Oh, okay, we'll do We'll do one quote from Leviathan.

I think we must.

It'll give you a good sense of this guy's Yeah, penchant for for Hobbs.

Yeah maybe, all right.

So true, for such is the nature of man that, howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned, yet they will hardly believe there be many.

So wise it's themselves, for they see their own wit at hand and other men's at a distance.

Yeah.

Look, he's not wrong.

I'm not even really trying to be a hater of the hater.

I think he was just he's pretty dialed in.

That's not incorrect.

It's this idea that everyone's sort of the main character in their own story, right, and that everyone else sort of exists as side players, and that at the end of the day, you're more concerned with your own bit and coming across a certain way than you are and listening to what other people have to say or acknowledging their existency.

Excellent unpacking there.

Yeah, you see your own you marvel at your own intelligence or your own winds, and other people they're at an arms.

Linked at best.

Someone else also said, hell as other people.

So those could you know?

Pair those together and you got yourself a full on philosophy of life.

Yeah, and Tom puts some stank on that one.

Also, he was a proponent of absolute monarchy, and his arguments for that are ridiculous.

So Tom, we hope you were joking.

I don't even bring it back to ridiculous though, Well, later on, much much much later on, after the rise of the science we call psychology, it turns out scientists would verify Hobbes's pitch about ridiculous, right.

I mean, he's clearly lampooning most of society and considers humans to be inherently quite ridiculous.

This is a very important word in helping to draw attention to social hierarchies and attitudes of the time.

By this, we mean the absurd is able to kind of subvert in a way.

He was also I don't know, it's hard to how would you describe his work?

I mean it's a treatise, right, He's basically telling he's calling attention to the absurdities of society in an effort to perhaps teach people how to live better.

Right, there could be a better way.

But it also is satirical in a way.

It's an interesting kind of cross section there.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's kind of a Josh Johnson to it, or a George Carlin esque thing.

You know, these are great or Bill Hicks, these are great orators who will who understand the power of laughter along the way.

And this is an old idea.

It's I love that you're talking about absurdism, subverting social norms.

That's why a jester can talk trash so loudly at the king and say all these things.

An ordinary peasant would be tortured for muttering under their breath.

The idea of a roast, You know, people love a roast as long as it's there, kind of in control, and it is all sort of like it in the service of this kind of holding court kind of situation.

Right.

I genuinely enjoy a lot of roast, except for the one of Chevy Chase that was I don't think they were being funny.

I know they was being mean.

Isn't that guy a real Dick, though I've heard like not great things about it.

I didn't see the roast though, but I imagine there was a lot of people just unloading on a guy who maybe deserved it a little more than the average roast roasty.

Yeah, apparently very difficult to work with, and we hope that we're easy to work.

With so that we don't pick up with chevies.

Yeah.

So, the thing about stuff being ridiculous or absurd is that it reframes the way you perceive a given experience in small yet measurable ways.

It also reframes every other thing you encountered before or after.

You look at the world differently, you pay more attention, and we see this everywhere politics, fiction, personal relationships, advertising.

Look, we have background in live performance, and as any live performer can tell you, the number one easiest emotional reaction to get from an audience is laughter.

Right, would you agree with that?

I think so.

It's definitely easier than eliciting a gasp, unless you're just going for shock value.

But it's also the I think it's the easiest and most pleasant reaction that an audience might want to have elicited from them.

You know what I mean?

People have to laugh.

It's a psychologically cleansing sort of experience.

Yeah, especially when you're laughing together, when you're not asking for much, right, just the shared acknowledgement that this thing is funny or ridiculous.

Dude, speaking of ridiculous and laughter, have you seen the New Naked Gun movie yet?

Not yet.

No, I've been deep in research land.

It is a laugh a second.

It's just so densely packed and that we'll we'll pull those out of you.

So I highly recommend him looking for a cathartic experience in that respect, go check out the New Naked Gun Movie.

I'm so excited.

I'm so excited to see it.

And you know, I've got a little bit of limited mobility right now, but as soon as i'm as soon as I'm back on my proper land lover's status, dude, I'm getting to the movie theater to check it out.

And we're huge fans of the earlier Naked Gun stuff as well, although to be clear, not all of it aged well.

Which happens a comedy, Yeah, I mean O Jay Simpson's in the first two.

I think it's really funny, though he's very I gotta give it to guy's very funny, but he definitely murdered those people.

Yeah, once you get someone to chuckle with you, psychologically you built this foundational bond, even if it's only for a limited amount of time.

And from that bond you could say laughters like a mental passwords like hacking a computer.

You can do a lot of other stuff.

Not all of that stuff is necessarily above board.

And that takes us back to advertising.

Ooh man, advertising and laughter for sure.

Yeah, and again, I mean we're starting to see the pivot into ridiculous of the idea of worthy of ridicules starting to feel more like positive laughter, something that's done to illicit laughter, like the gesture you're talking about, Ben, rather than someone that is a buffoon worthy of mockery and contempt.

Oh yeah, like the old stand up rule punching up versus punching down.

Right.

Really yeah, Advertising, though, is a great transition, Ben, where we start to see the kind of weaponizing of some of this thinking.

It is, of course a particularly manipulative branch of psychology unto itself, leveraging a lot of conditioning, but you know, behavioral cognitive effects in order to elicit a certain reaction to help encode memories, you know, into the viewer and to help impart a positive impression of a particular brand, product or concepts.

Yeah, think about it.

Your favorite commercials, especially if you're from the West, are properly comedic.

They likely incorporate a buzz term, a jingle or both.

And the serious commercials we remember, like the famous PSAs let's play what here is?

Here is an example of a serious PSA, which we're counting as a commercial for this purpose.

You may all recognize this one, folks.

Is there anyone out there who still isn't clear about what doing drugs does?

Okay, last time, this is your brain, This is drugs.

This is your brain on.

Drugs, eggs.

Oh no, sorry, that was the wrong message.

It was supposed to be.

Okay, brain drugs will crack open my brains and fry them in a pan, right, right?

And you remember this one, right of course?

Yes, And there is some absurdity to it.

It is also just sort of like very heavy handed metaphor.

I guess as well.

You know, yeah, yeah, you nailed it, because despite the initial intent of the people who made that or made those copyright PSAs, like you wouldn't download a car I would if I could, right exactly in this academy get back to us.

But they meant these things to be serious and to stay with you.

However, a lot of the audience only remembers them because we find them ironic and funny.

We laugh when we recall them because we find them accidentally ridiculous.

It kind of reminds me of you know, not too long ago.

I think, just just like a few days ago, you and I literally saying the Mele mixed jingle on our sister show stuff.

They don't want you to know.

Somehow he didn't get soon knock on wood.

It is funny though, right, I mean the way those little things like they eat more chicken campaign is another good example with chick files of not only is it absurd this idea that an anthropomorphic cow is trying to deflect us from eating its flesh and the flesh of its breath in favor of instead eating it's these other animals that presumably the cows have some sort of vendetto with it's implied, but not only that, it incorporates the concept of disfluency into the ad campaigns, where it's the text that's all splattery and misspelled words, and that encodes itself onto your brain even more so.

It's like piggybacking on that absurdity with these elaborate billboards, with these like three dimensional cow sculptures, and then the fact that when you're driving past it you see these kind of misspelled words, which forces you to think a little deeper.

Yeah, exactly, you're paying more attention because you're replying cognitively to absurdity.

The concept of ridiculous gets in our heads.

The meal Mixed jingle solidified the memory, and so even if we didn't each personally run out to buy meal mix right after recording, we now have a shared fond memory of It's It's a brilliant idea again, it's ridiculous.

English is a phenomenally fastating language chock full of words that are themselves ridiculous, by which I guess we would mean cartoonishly specific, oddly, self contradictory, or even just the kind of word where you look back on it later and think.

Well, why would someone make that?

What?

What on earth happened in society that we need a whole word defining this?

You know what I mean?

Yeah?

I don't, I mean, I don't know it's a good question, then, so.

We we can play a game for the very end of this.

I know, I dug up a book that I know you will love if you haven't read it already.

It's we love specific reference works.

This is depraved and insulting English.

God.

Yes, what was the other reference book or the old tone that you pulled up a source?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is the diction words archaic and provincial words.

It does seem like a good pairing.

I'm down, sign me up.

All right, how about this?

Well, we're going to do the live.

We don't know if it will work out.

So Paul G.

Stomacks in advance.

No, I'm going to flip through this book and you say when okay?

All right, going when okay?

Uh?

And then I'm gonna run my finger up and down the page.

You say, when okay, Rick Rubin, when okay?

Cock o Kalia the state of being.

Guess Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah C A c O c A L l I A C A c O.

Initially, my mind is is jumping to the word cow, and this is like if it's a calia.

I don't know what that suffix is, but it sounds maybe a little bit like Aphelia or this is not a phobia.

You're into something.

You're into whatever Coco represents.

That's my guess, and I think it might be cow Is.

Well, this was a very unfair one.

I I don't think either of us would have would have guessed this one.

The definition is the state of being ugly but sexy.

What that?

Hell?

Yeah, oh my god, I'm writing this down, CaCO Kalia, that is my I'm gonna use that as my mantra from now on.

You're not You're the opposite of ugly.

You have some devil you no, no, but that's cool.

So it's like, you know, uh, what's his name, the horrible painter who also acts Adrian Brody.

What a weird way to describe that.

He's a funny looking dude there.

I think this term is very interesting.

There are a lot of what you might call striking individuals who you could argue you are ugly but sexy.

I think it's not a disc man.

I'm into it.

I think uh, I think I think I agree with it.

Except for you and de Niro.

I'm going to go to the bat for you guys.

Craggy looking dudes, weathered, he looks weathered because.

Of his age.

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