[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome to the SuperJaycast.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Joel, joined by Damon McDonald.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is Wednesday, the 10th of September, 2025.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is episode 378.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's wrap this up, let's fly through this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all happening in New Japan.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to watch a new episode of Alien Earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's some good entertainment, but yeah, nothing going on this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good news.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: No news is good news.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say that I did see some of the feedback from a foreshow with the great Fraser, who I, my, my spell check misspelled his name putting it into the description.

[SPEAKER_01]: He sure makes sure he let it be noticed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, listen, they were like, there's no possible way.

[SPEAKER_01]: It can't have a, you know, it doesn't have an eye.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, any pop that right in there and I didn't check it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So mob bear, my baby.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a great deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's is Twitter handle into the, the show news.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you know, is that correctly?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I spelled it correctly there, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I probably just copied and pasted the honest one, it's not under the order of the top, my head.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, it's just my proofreading, my error there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that was, that was on me, so I do apologize.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, but again, the feedback that I've gotten, so far has been, uh, overwhelmingly positive.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's, uh, always a good thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fancy that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, having Fraser on your show and then asking him things about stuff that he is knowledgeable about and let him talk about those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a groundbreaking topic.

[SPEAKER_01]: He really is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like putting drumsticks in Jimmy Hendrick's hands, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like a tar.

[SPEAKER_01]: He might do good at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yes, he is uh, very just, sometimes I like, I'm like, I, you know, you're too smart for me, like, you know what, I'm not, I'm not intimidating to talk to him, like, you're so much more kind of successful than me, I've, I'm nobody, I'm just a piece of shit on your shoe, thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I mean, well I told you the first time that I met him.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were at Yano's bar and again, we were just kind of having a great time and he comes up and he was dressed in this sharp suit like tailored beautifully and I want he's very fit and I'm like Yeah, fucks it's a bit rustling find you say no, you're fucking not Right right there's no piece boy Right right Hey [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, are you Damon?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was again, and he hands me as a business card.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of, again, I had a couple in me already.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even look at the fucking card.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just took it and put it to side, and which is a faux pas.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was talking, and he said, listen to the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I said, he said now.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he was, again, he was running beers all night.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were like, because the way he was sitting, we were like on the little couch thing at Yano's.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, his chair, he could just get up and go.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I can't get some more beers.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was young boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was a young boy, a phrasor.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then I like, I, I, I might have been Mackey or somebody.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, did you see his card?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, ah, I mean, I have it around here somewhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, whoa, that's a pretty fucking big job title.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do?

[SPEAKER_01]: If he was awesome, he was very cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, everybody beats.

[SPEAKER_01]: He charms and dazzles, and now he's running that fucking out-ons.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what the life he's living over there?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a lot of stress, mind you.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's running around with his headcoat off sometimes, but what a life over there.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are life?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad we were able to tap into his knowledge a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, tapped into the knowledge of our good friend John Carroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: John and I did a little show on the Patreon yesterday, talking about traveling to Japan for rest of Kingdom.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's any of you doing that or on the fence, check it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good listen.

[SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about food for?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I swear I was sitting here not more than two hours ago thinking, would that be a good idea for a page and then you did it?

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was an excellent.

[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, how do you get there, how do you, um, you know, what are the best places to go, areas?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, $10 here.

[SPEAKER_01]: $10 here, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you, you can buy these um, episodes individually for like, like, just like $3 or $4 or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: But why would you do this?

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just do the month and get everything done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I made three bucks to listen to get early access to the show we did with Fraser.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it was a good [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get my head around.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's extraordinary to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, three bucks versus 10, I guess, but, but yeah, I mean, I would think 10 bucks would be the easier you got it for the month and you get all kinds of goodies and not only audio, but Ah, just so much fucking shit, the vault.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw up in another year, I think, and of goodness content.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing nine things at once.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, that is a great idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we did that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ten dollar tier.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should all get on board if you haven't already.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're listening to this right now, you're already there, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You're already ten dollar, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to listen to this live.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have the smallest person in the room.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's he wrestling for?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the DDT or is he, uh, he's not going to use your pants?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's taken, he's been kind of written off a W and take us some time off for surgery.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going over to Japan to get some stuff done, which has led to some speculation that's maybe much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Making a appearance that the old Shinohon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're just going over visiting friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of on the fence because truth be told, I feel like he still has a lot in the tank.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then I question, does he?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, is the juice worth the squeeze and blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I look.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Kenny Omega's the answers to our fucking problems.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think our problems are internal and I think we have a sloppy shop and we need to clean that up first before we worry about.

[SPEAKER_01]: maybe bringing in a Kenny Omega that quite honestly is going to do one or two shows.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to look bad, make everyone look bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also actors, a Trojan horse to post talent for AWS.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: He comes in to New Zealand.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, yeah, Kenny's back and he has a sick match with a New Zealand guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, oh, in this rules, and then the guy had the sick match where he'd get some of my tiny kind of like, oh, how'd he get me?

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: personal preference, I'm good not having him on a new Japan show right now, or for the foreseeable future.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be a viable opponent for Tata Hashis retarded match.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that would be...

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's what the people want.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could be dead wrong, but I don't think that's what the people want.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they want a Japanese guy, I would think.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would think that's their number one get would be a Japanese guy against Hanashi.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, with some history, and I think it's between, like, a handful of people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, we talked about the, you know, the ridiculous prices of ringside seats.

[SPEAKER_01]: You would think it would have to be a super big name.

[SPEAKER_01]: You would think.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think Kenny Omega is that guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: How about Noito?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that name keeps coming up and I said it a couple of weeks ago that that I wouldn't be surprised if it was that and I think he has enough name recognition that that could be a thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been away, so there has been time to have the heart growth funder.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a short list.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's not like there was a ton of public bad blood.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's probably little jabs and little what have yous.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it was like a falling apart where it was, fuck you, no, no, no, no, fuck you.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was more of, we're not giving you this kind of money, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your damage is good, and we appreciate everything you've done, how about this?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd rather say, okay, there you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a name that's worth, let's put it this way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would be shocked if somebody told us, he's not at least on a short list of people that they want.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you expect him to be a wrestling or a wrestling kingdom?

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say...

That's a good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not going to do anything else for Tom and Ashi, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're not going to put him on the show in some fucking tag match.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be the opponent for town of Hashi if he's going to do anything, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unless it's just a way to get Booshy back in the company.

[SPEAKER_00]: So great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Aaron Wolf can do some sort of fried chicken eating contests.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know Booshy's got a chicken shop has on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been watching Aaron Wolf's latest video, where he's gone through his favorite chicken.

[SPEAKER_00]: His car at Agai joined his staff in his face full of, again, he put on a racing.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's blocking, he's blocking.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's called of any mess as well, he's doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as some athletes, like, when they retire, they just like overnight, just, oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, they just, they're not training anymore, and they're just like, fucking, finally, all I want to do is eat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if this dude's taking it seriously.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's, he's, he's getting the calories, that's for fucking sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, they want to fucking a fried chicken in doors when they can call me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be more happy to fucking do that because right now, I'm in just about as good sheep as I don't look.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, is that some sort of family cheeky mascot?

[SPEAKER_00]: You've had family cheeky before.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, isn't like just like a chicken, like a like a cartoony chicken?

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a family-chicky mascar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jesus, I can't imagine a picture that's making me laugh a lot, and I'm going to send me something.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this should be Aaron Wall's opponent.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's saving your opponent at the Tokyo time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: That this character, like running circles around the wing and Aaron Wall's like trying to chase you and grab it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh fucking bugs bunny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you gotta tweet that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's gotta be it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be like we the opponent sorted Yeah, that's pretty actually the costume is really fucking good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That really I mean you would think it was just a gigantic piece of chicken It's a really good costume well done family more well done But you all right, so you see like on the left hand side up at the top where, you know, you have the family more That's the logo I'm thinking of it like isn't that the chicken logo I'm thinking of?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think I know what you mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's when you said that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I picture I know all these people listening right now are like, well, what's the fuck's the picture?

[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to weed it up, please Could I just tweet at with no comment?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, I mean, I think we got to take a, we got to take a, uh, we got to take a shot where we can now, okay, all right.

[SPEAKER_01]: We just, we just, we got to, we got to put like, you know, fucking Aaron Welfa opponent, sort of, or whatever it is, or I don't know if it's something something along those on you, you come up with a witty line, my friend, uh, but yet that picture has to come along with a little, a little, little jab at, uh, old, old chicken boy, chicken boy, Aaron Welfa.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that, but I can't do it, I can't, I watch this show, I watch the, whatever it was that I'll get back into.

[SPEAKER_00]: Blue justice, 168 gimmick, I can't, I cannot in good faith to stretch that out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do it, it's, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: yeah i will talk you i've got bullet points here from get what i watched there was some stuff that enjoyed and here it is yeah he ready i'm ready you know far away first of all i want to talk about [SPEAKER_00]: Master Toro, Yasuda, made some, he's talking a lot about Tiger Mask, saying he wants the rest of Tiger Mask 101, wants to do better than him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have interpreted that as him potentially taking on the Tiger Mask gimmick.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to piggyback a question on that, wrestling history x says, [SPEAKER_00]: will the Tiger Master be passed on at some point and will they make a new anime to go along with it and anime thesis is the next Tiger Mask currently in the Dojo.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it'll be a shame if it is acider during the Tiger Mask gimmick because he's got this really angular face that reminds me of like the really polygonal characters from the original Virtua Fighter arcade game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So putting that behind a mask would be a shame just my own personal amusement but do you think there is any [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a solid depends, and what it depends on is if the company, you know, and like a week, two, maybe a month, maybe two, you know, they'll take it very seriously and then they'll just lose interest in it and he'll be just a fucking mid to lower mid card guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now they could make it something special, um, I don't know, like, like, I feel like, like, like, Tiger Mask is a thing for a lot of old heads, like a lot of people who have watched for years and, you know, have a soft spot for the Tiger Mask gimmick, um, and what it represents.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that necessarily connects with anyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: other than long time watchers of New Japan progress like even if you got in like you understood the lore and you understood you know the the history of tiger mask and what it was but I don't think anybody is like hitching their wagon to that and like you know [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's going to be heartbroken when this version of tiger mask be tires.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure there's people that enjoy him and like him, but like it's not this massive thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he was a cultural icon back in the 80s.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine them going out of their way and rebooting an anime series over it, but you know, stranger things have happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not going to do this to try to connect with.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new, like, like, like, are you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I just don't, I think the kids would just be like, I don't know who what the fuck are, who cares?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was a different time back then.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's in a, like a totally different country, it felt like, so I don't know, I like, sometimes I wish they would put things to bed and just let it, let it lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they feel like they can make a buck off of it, they'll reboot it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't see the value in doing that because what is this version that we have right now is that tiger mask five or four or five I mean how many fucking versions we have between New Japan and all Japan a lot like I don't know I think that I think that ship is sailed quite honestly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like if you have confidence in yourself to be a star and a huge man in pro wrestling that you feel that gimmick would put a very firm ceiling on what you're able to achieve.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes a while for you to build up enough stock in being good at being Tiger Mass to then not be good at, you know, and not not be good, but not be Tiger Mass.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I would think that's the endgame, you know, but maybe it's a good way to kind of hide people.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I look.

[SPEAKER_01]: it's it's it's an easy thing for a new Japan processing to do like it's an easy thing and and there I say it's a little bit lazy um...

and the banking on people kind of hopping on to the south of train and i just don't think the audience there gives a single fuck i don't know [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could see them doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, we have to kind of get out of the mindset of this is a bad idea, so New Japan won't do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or this is a good idea, so New Japan should do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, those logic are a long gone now.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the area of Don Farley, challenging for a single start or so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they should.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be outraged if they do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they want to keep the legacy, the lore of that character down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe do a little anime time, maybe making Tiger Mask double.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if she was or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's for the kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine though, like, who she wrote.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pushy wrote investing in that though.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see pushy wrote saying, okay, here's, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: how much it cost to create an anime series.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just throw out a number and say a million yen or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see boochy roads like waiting to write that check anytime soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, like maybe some sort of tie it with a existing product because when they did the type of a double anime, that wasn't [SPEAKER_00]: I could be talking about my ass here, but I don't think that was created by Bushyred.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was it that was a pre-existing thing?

[SPEAKER_00]: They were just a little tired together.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also, Liger wasn't a new Japan thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was a separate anime company.

[SPEAKER_01]: They had, like, if you always, like, there's a lot of things with licensing and shit that they always had to have the creators of ever get the name of the Liger anime.

[SPEAKER_01]: that had to be included in a lot of the marketing and stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I was always able to get weird things when it came to New Japan and that relationship.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the good news is that they have plenty of experience navigating those waters, so they could do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I just don't know if like if the people would give a shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, honestly, I know that everyone knew that that latest incarnation with Abushi was Abushi.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, everybody, nobody in the fucking Tokyo dome didn't know that was Abushi, but...

[SPEAKER_00]: And he tried so hard to disguise it as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's like, uh, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you're going to do any sort of signature tiger mouse moves or tiger mouse double moves?

[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: I completely normal would coat it if she moves.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's in a plate, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ezreal, that is exactly true.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'll walk.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I'd like to talk about is the debut of the knockout brothers, which is you tell I see's probably the only thing I like in YouTube at the moment and I don't know if you see them actually, this is only at a nine minute six-man attack match.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a huge amount you can extrapolate for.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I just love you to ice.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's my favorite now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It immediately, he's, he just got that swagger and charisma.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's walked out the second he made his read baby with a fully formed gimmick.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he looks incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's sort of zebra themes, Guy Fieri, and he's out there do like sort of like the get so much like big up [SPEAKER_00]: the bummer clatley, he did, he's him bummer clat before he did it to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's already so much character and colour and flavour to the gimmick.

[SPEAKER_00]: In one match, I think all of the young guys who proceeded in, like more than they've managed in years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're approaching three years on Raffnik Show to Umenoh.

[SPEAKER_00]: got no idea what that character is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He got no idea what it is either.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you could say the same for heat storm, you know, Emre, what the fuck is he talking about half the time?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, okay mate, of course you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: But look at this, look at this like 90s rap start you to ice, which is his bling bling, saying a big up and saying bomb a clap before he needs someone in the face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you see him, you see you to ice for five seconds, you're like, yeah, I've got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I really think there's, you know, I've been moaning for years about New Japan not pushing and elevating the young guys and not giving it on that big push and like clearly there's some sort of disconnect there and something is to be said for making yourself undeniable, like don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: smile and nod and do what you're told and wait for you to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because why don't fucking come?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just comparing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I see later on in this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Backstage comments, there's a show to Umano and you at Oembro stand together doing a little promo backstage saying that they're going to lead Hongtai smiling like a very fucking dog's way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe I'm starting to identify the problem here when you on the other hand have guys like [SPEAKER_00]: to something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Suji and Utah ice and I can go and come again and say, fuck the rest of you, I'm the big boy here on the top dog, everyone else can eat shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I'm, there's something very charismatic and appealing about the Utah ice character, even though I've only watched him wrestle for nine minutes, that excites me, and look, this is not me saying like Utah ice is going to be future world heavyweight champion, [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish some of the other guys who are probably more talented wrestlers than him and have the, you know, the Matt and I, all good looks and all of that would take a leaf out of his book and just share a bit of fucking charisma.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know I'll give you a thousand percent credit for that like and I think your a thousand percent correct but I think the biggest problem with that is that the bar is fucking low like I'm going to be honest with you this this thing hasn't connected with me at all I watch it and I'm like late to the party though David oh yeah you're around to you like I'm sure it's good like [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're in a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll work my words.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll start this slowly swing around But right now, it's like, I This is kind of goofy, but okay That's you feel though.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's goofy.

[SPEAKER_00]: What if it just works for me?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean and again, it's not for necessarily like I like it hasn't connected with me [SPEAKER_01]: but you're right in the sense that he's fucking going to the deep end of the pool here like he's not fucking about with it at all like he's committed to it and that's refreshing and that is a thing that not a lot of like you could go down the entire fucking roster and Joel there are a lot of people that would fall into that fucking category of come on figure it out [SPEAKER_01]: again, if this is the thing that we're most excited for, we're in for some fucking dreadful times, but it is, if he can figure it out, then why the fucking you guys figure it out is really the biggest question.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, maybe it does inspire people, it gives people set [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the one thing I do find refreshing though is you don't have to be the [SPEAKER_01]: either the Western, I'm a badass, and I'm gonna fucking beat the shit out of you, or the humble, you know, you know, I'm gonna give it my best for the fake, you know, like there are some cookie-cutter fucking characters in New Japan per wrestling, and he does stick out.

[SPEAKER_01]: He does stick out now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, whether it's good or bad, that's for another fucking show.

[SPEAKER_01]: that will probably be weeks to months away.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the very least, you got a guy who's, okay, this is what I am and get fucking used to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that in itself is refreshing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like Oscar as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a very large post-excursion switch-made J-white, but the same thing I would say to him, which I would say to a lot of the tall wrestlers who preceded him, and it's the thing that I think it was what Ghetto was famously said to Lance Archer when he first started.

[SPEAKER_00]: More monster.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that simple?

[SPEAKER_00]: Just more monster, please.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't try and work like a fucking junior, every way, more monster, correct?

[SPEAKER_01]: I would absolutely 1,000% agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would you belt them up immediately?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously they go this much with Tai Chi and E.C.

[SPEAKER_01]: coming up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the route they're going to take.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're, I mean, again, they're not running rough shot over New Japan per wrestling, but [SPEAKER_01]: They are, here's the thing, you would think that they are set up to take the titles and run.

[SPEAKER_01]: And with the tag titles, they are a little bit looser, they are a little bit less stringent of debut match, you're fucking looser, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if they build them up right out of the gate, why not, as much [SPEAKER_01]: because they were, you know, there are times where you're just shaking your head like, oh my god, who are the tag team champions?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, there are times where it can be fun, and there are times where, you know, they sort of take those titles seriously.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could have fun with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, build them up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not exactly a high bar to clear, isn't it, bigger, to heavyweight tag champion.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I just feel the message it would sound like if they don't win would be like, okay, and there's the right win or they could use go seriously at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and that's what, you know, let's know this on Titan E.C.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of love the team and they could definitely do more within, there's more juice in that orange, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're not your long-term answer though, you know, they're not they're not going to be your long-term answer with these With with a new fresh face.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could be a longer term answer You know, look, I mean, GOD made a fucking career out of it, you know, I mean, why not?

[SPEAKER_01]: Look, you know, again, it's a lot of this has to do with the wrestlers making the titles important [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would like to see what they could do.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the tag titles.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, I mean, two, three years ago, we probably could have said, it's not the world title, but now the world titles lost a little bit of its fucking shine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, I don't think I think anything's on the table at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say fine, go ahead, do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Clock codices also in this match you remember him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had He's not the bar's not he's not beaten up bar patrons anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, we're all right It's it will sound a big big wheel sample.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the genesis of wheel sound is Exactly the point where you can pinpoint where clock one is mentally checked out of teaching fan for a wrestling [SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a matter of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a matter of time with anybody who's not Japanese and even then it feels like sometimes it's a matter of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a matter of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think...

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he's wearing it completely on his face, but yeah, I think I think it's just a matter of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be quick on those for the other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it this way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's in any rush to sign any New Japan Pro Wrestling deals any times.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's like the prisoner with the calendar just marking off the fucking days and saying, you know what, fuck this noise on out here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course he's got his other half peckler working in AWS, so good luck to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing I wanted to touch him, Hiromi, he won the GAC Junior title in Noah, crazy from, yeah, I mean, allegedly this is a point where us as New Japan fans, [SPEAKER_00]: with zero sense of irony as supposed to be going, oh, yes, this is great when we go to other promotions and big brother and take their time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you a shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have no interest in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry to know if I answered, but I'm just, when I heard this, I was just like, okay, I do have concerns about here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's been quite outspoken about his, what was all that shit he was saying after for a bit of a door and that seemed to be a clear shot at New Japan leadership.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who that was specifically at that, [SPEAKER_00]: This is clearly a guy who is not satisfied to simply be spinning his wheels as a junior heavyweight in New Japan.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's done some heavyweight tag stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's had some heavyweight single stuff, which has been to mix with us, but I remember that amazing match he had with Henry towards the end of last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's clearly a guy who is interested in being more than just a junior.

[SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but how do you do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's another one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be stunned to see him go into AEW as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but, and here's a thing too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think quite frankly, I think that's, like, if you want to do more than being a junior because it's quite a parent that New Japan, [SPEAKER_01]: does is not going to move you up like that's crystal clear because he's been given it feels like a couple dangles of the carrot with that and it's never, it's never turned out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like Kushita, like constant others who have whispered some louder than others that, okay, I've done all I can do, what else is there to do?

[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to wrestle fucking [SPEAKER_00]: And my, you know, yes, that's what he's got lined up, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like, okay, so, you know, that's my, that's my future.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, like, I only have so many years on this body, you know, it's, it's pretty banged up and I kind of want to do other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's where the money is, that's where I want to be, [SPEAKER_01]: like this seems like a scenario where like okay no one's going to budge so it might be best for him to look elsewhere and the again the idea of him winning no is junior title I think is kind of a good thing because at the very least he gets newer fresher opponents still junior though and it's not like he's making a ton of money you know I don't know what he would demand [SPEAKER_01]: to be working Noah shows, but whatever it is, I'm sure he would get more if he were heavyweight.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just the lay of the land.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's AEW, it's not like he's not familiar with the states, he's lived, I mean, he lived an hour and a half away from me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's not like he's not familiar with at least the East Coast.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he would do fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, hopping on board with an AEW.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: That seems like there's plenty of guys that can kind of, you know, acclimate him to the, to the, the surroundings.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he would fit him just fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not going to be a heavyweight at New Japan per hour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, I think that's abundantly clear at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unless there is a massive change in the philosophy of the people who run the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's what he wants, [SPEAKER_01]: That's where he's going to have to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't see any other option.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, is he settling for a little fun at Nella?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure you can do what he wants when he wants.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as long as this checks clear, uh, but if he wants to be a heavyweight, it's not going to happen in New Japan's watching.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that would, like, if they let him walk without kicking the ties on that, that would feel like a massive fumble.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's so many of that, but here's the thing, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think people felt that way a lot of times with a lot of the guys that were junior heavyweights that either became heavyweights or left, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you think back to all the names that were once juniors, there's a ton, but it always seems like there's this cons, more so with juniors than it is with heavyweights where they have this continuous fresh crop of talent to come in.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, look, you don't think he's looking at, like, again, different build different size, but still follow along here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't think he's looking at an Osprey or Ricochet, even to a certain degree Cashita, and what they've been able to do elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, Kenny, but I think that's a completely different situation, but again, I think you get my point where you see that there is a certain glass ceiling with when it comes to being a junior in New Japan, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, certain time of the year, yep, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to focus on the juniors, but the overall grand scheme of things.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be a top guy unless you're a heavyweight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just just then nature of the beast and less.

[SPEAKER_01]: You go somewhere where those lines of heavyweight and junior are blurred.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's here in the States.

[SPEAKER_00]: This could just be in size speculation for me, but [SPEAKER_00]: with lighter and bushy walkin' as they did, and here are we saying this stuff like it?

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like there might be something to the three of them kind of shopping themselves out and being like, hey, you want us to come to your company as the original, or, you know, yeah, yeah, like the original L-I-J, and someone like Tony can't be interested in that, like, [SPEAKER_00]: I could see Nito and Bouchy and Hiromu going to AWS and being a thing and being reasonably successful as a sort of undercard midcard act.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely see that happening with Trio's champion or the R8 should wherever you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a distinct possibility in that and I'm wondering if New Japan had said so that as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's going to be a lot of important decisions for the New Japan management to make in how they handle these negotiations with Hiromu and Naito, and to the much lesser extent Bushi because I would say the three of them that has some value to an American audience.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and, again, let's keep him, and again, we're talking about Naito like he's under content.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he can do whatever fucking wants.

[SPEAKER_01]: He, you know, he'd left because, you know, primarily because New Japan didn't see the value in, in Naito the way that Naito thought he, you know, should be compensated.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: You know what comes to dates and it comes to money and it comes to all the packing order on the card and it is spotting in the roster like all that [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there is only one other place that would be interested in him that would be able to pay him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's like, the idea of them showing up in Noah or them showing up in all Japan or them showing up on fucking a freedom show or whatever the case may be.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is laughable because they don't have the money to pay him.

[SPEAKER_01]: A, W is only a place with a hazard and they have enough name recognition [SPEAKER_01]: They've either used found ways to fumble other things, mind you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if I have 100% confidence, it would go over without a hitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, name me another spot where they could slide in and make an instant impact.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they would at a done also, not work very hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's true, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could completely phone in.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I still think they've had some GCN that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh absolutely absolutely I mean imagine that that I'm showing up in lane fucking you know some big names out That would be that would be pretty interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna lie But again, it's what who's got the check that's able to do that and unfortunately or fortunately depending if I'm hanging a fucking look at it That's good old TK and [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a lot more like WWE's not interested in that like they're not and if they weren't interested in that they would just be totally fucking repackaged into fucking Kiantai 2,000 25, you know Sub fucking the horse shit like that, you know, but [SPEAKER_00]: It's like full show gun cosplay, give it off, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, samurai.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, you know, stereotypical 80s, Japanese heal thing, you want to come up with.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's what, yep, good old hunter's going to slap on him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is day and age.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, AWZ.

[SPEAKER_01]: If, if there's any plan for a comeback, a long-term comeback.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I feel like that's the best destination.

[SPEAKER_01]: It really is the best destination.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I say that with not an ounce of remorse, like I think that's good for everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good for everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's a new Japan need to kick up the ass.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying all of these things like, oh, and terrible Tony, how dare he do this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is market economics.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been like this, can be frustrating when, as I've expressed before, when wrestlers who have yet to fulfill their potential, or even come close to telling their stories in New Japan, [SPEAKER_00]: have their stories dare I say sabotaged?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're still under contract, that's annoying, but there's some cases where guys might leave when you think, yeah, you're fair enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: One such case, I'm going to throw it on at you here because I want to talk a bit about Zack Saber Jr.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because he had some nice moments on the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was he's wrestling against Renarita in a tag match.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a 10-month tag match.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they've obviously got a title match coming up.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in a lot of effort, like for the 10-man attack, they were working pretty hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Zack was very fired up, and I think he's going to go out of his way to try to make rendering to look good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Zack is also taking a hell of a lot of independent bookings in Japan.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a lot more than he usually does.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got, it feels like there's like bucket list stuff being kicked off.

[SPEAKER_00]: As it is, tattooing me food genami, he's got a match coming up with him [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that?

[SPEAKER_01]: The dragon.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tradition on November 14th, amongst the whole host of other things that he has been doing and will be doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, again, it could be me talking at a shit here, but I'm wondering is that him winding down his time in Japan?

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to be all-duber on this, and I'm not doing this like, oh, everything's terrible, but that is another one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely see Zach leaving and going to...

[SPEAKER_00]: potentially AEW.

[SPEAKER_00]: But weirdly, that's not one that I would be too upset about.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the stockers I don't like is that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's brilliant and I would love him to stay in New Japan.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he would be a classic example of how things used to be done with the foreigners in New Japan, where they would get to tell all their stories and win all the big ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when he kind of run out of ideas for them, then they go after the states.

[SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: that to me is actually even would make complete sense and I'd be okay with that because he's given everything to New Japan and he's told all the stories he's wrestled everyone and he's put over loads of people and I think it would actually make sense for him to move on to do something different.

[SPEAKER_01]: See, I kind of think of it in a little bit of a different light in the sense of [SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of guys that have been full-time New Japan guys that have done their little list of to-dos, and this sounds like that's the case here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Zack has so much more and so much, like he's a valuable piece, and I think that [SPEAKER_01]: quite honestly, is a blue chipper, not even blue, like he's established himself as a fucking guy on a star.

[SPEAKER_01]: And all he needs is just some fresh programs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, and that's New Japan's fault for not having that supply of people that are, that people would be clamoring and interested in saying and setting them up as a little bit more [SPEAKER_01]: Technically superior, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's his thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're like give me the ton of art excuse me, the ton of come on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the Zack feud that like the signature that feud with in that run, that program that he had, the only one I can think of is ton of Hashie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we quite honest with you?

[SPEAKER_01]: I say only one I can think of.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was like a definitive [SPEAKER_01]: This guy versus that guy, series and continuation, but even then that was more based off of who's a better wrestler.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was really not like, I don't want to say a blood feud, but like, like, like, like what would be the the stamp of that was Zack's run in New Japan pro wrestling?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's had been like a utility player after the point of which all the stars left and then by default, he became top of going the company.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say the goto a few this year is approaching something like that because I think all of their matches have been outstanding.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know does that count?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Ken, but like the fact that we have the sit here and kind of like, um, with that one fit into the bucket, um, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's been even though he's had runs with the world title, and even though he's had New Japan cups and, you know, he's, you know, he had that run where he was, everybody was fucking tapping out to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there just doesn't seem to be a definitive, [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe they'd be doing like the G1 run where, you know, the fans were kind of kind of that seemed like a blip on the radar though.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's just hasn't really been a thing that has set him apart.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's had individual matches that have been great, but like, there's not been, like, a signature hearsack.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been these pocket of great matches that in a bubble were great.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, did they, would you say that that's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Like, or maybe that is his legacy with New Japan.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's that he was the guy that, you know, I've had these individual great matches.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think the one thing that's missing with him is the fact that there is [SPEAKER_01]: not a lot of emotional attachment that people might have with his act.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no reason to hate him.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason to cheer from other than you like him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's, you know, he's got that fucking British wit and sense of comedic timing that people seem to enjoy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, there's nothing that they're to say, okay, like I, there's no emotional attachment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can like the guy, but I don't, like I love him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's fucking tremendous.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't sit here and tell you that I have an emotional attachment to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was like one point there was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's at fucking guys, better get his due or he better get his revenge on that guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever the case may be, like there hasn't been an emotional run with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you would get with Tana Hashi or you would get with Ocata or you would get with Naito or you would get with others where it's a little bit more than always really [SPEAKER_01]: And I got a blame new Japan for that because you have a guy who is completely capable of having that, I just don't know if it happened yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, maybe he's just not a star like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not got that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has it.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think he's a one-be guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's a one-a guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one-ca.

[SPEAKER_00]: My original question was like, do you think he stays with New Japan?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is just a matter of him having open dates and checking off things that, you know, would be checklist things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at the guys he's wrestling.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're carting out that sumifu genami, that's just the thing that you want to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing, we give plenty of rope to a guy like Despy to go roll around and barbed wire and glass.

[SPEAKER_01]: by not rolling around with a technical wrestling ace like Tatsumi Fujianami, and was at least.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a checkboxing, a two-do thing, a fun thing for him to do, because he had an open date, and he said, why is he left for him to do?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that's a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's become World Champion, he's main event of WrestleKindum.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's worth, okay, he's like huge high profile matches [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, to Suji, you're probably going to be Aaron Wall's debut opponent at Wrestle Kingdom, like, I just, I just, like, there's nothing else left for him to do, I feel.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that can change in a heartbeat, though, like you can set up, like it's the company's responsibility to have that talent, if you have that talent, then they need to do something with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's pro wrestling, like you're right, he's done a ton of shit that doesn't necessarily mean that, okay, he's done a lot of stuff, there's no more to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, [SPEAKER_01]: There's plenty more to do um they just gotta find the right people to do it with like do I want to see him rolling around in the ring with you know I don't know Um I don't pick a fucking guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's rolling around the ring and just about with everybody that that has come and gone Um Like just set up a fucking good program make people care about the program Um [SPEAKER_01]: He can have a great match with just about anybody except, you know, in a mean event at Wrestle Kingdom, but you get my point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just try to find out if he's actually wrestled to you in a singles match, because that would be the one thing that I don't recall him ever having done that, and I think that would be great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that feels like a big match they've got.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I would agree next, and Bolton, and again, Aaron Wolf, and I mean, I'm sure they got guys that, you know, they can groom, but again, I think the big thing is is that the one thing that he hasn't necessarily done and there's been attempts, I think the goto thing was an attempt, I think the town of Hashi thing was a little bit of an attempt, but I want to I want to be [SPEAKER_01]: want to get juice up over it or more than this is going to be a good match, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we know you can have a good match.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to I want something a little bit more meat on the bone except you know then just okay this will be a match in a bubble that will be great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I kind of want a little bit more juice on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's like he's ticking off all three of the Raewar muscatirs, isn't he?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's had his G1 final with Suji, he's had his rest of the kingdom made of it with Shota, and now he's having his title defense against Ren Naira.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm just, I'm just, I'm feeling that he might be on one foot at the top of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

[SPEAKER_00]: The last thing to talk about from the show is we'll get in a lot of juice out of this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think we would, but we've managed it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to say, who are actually telling me how she final road kinship match with Tanahashi DeFing, usually negative to 80 minutes high flight flow.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I know there's other people, you know, Chris Sean, amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be able to contextualize this and [SPEAKER_00]: talk about the storied history they've had and what it meant to the company and the respective vresses when they were first few digging and now because they're not quite getting a shot at being the top guy and being forced into doing stuff that he shouldn't have done and all the the MMA shit and the Nokia is a mirror and not having a fair crack at the whip and better resentment there with having to put over Tanahashi.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is like this is too broken down [SPEAKER_00]: not very good match.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be like, oh, this is great because of all the history.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's two old guys and this is not very good.

[SPEAKER_00]: They worked hard and they slapped each other and got crossing everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the kind of fight that you see.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a two-drunk man outside of weather speeds.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's never on a Friday night.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's him with him versus Moor.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is terribly disrespectful, but it's just too old guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't go anymore and it's a note from me, pal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Charlton giving the history and in Dustin off the history books and giving us the significance and the and really the impact of both guys and what they meant to the company.

[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that what I'm watching here is worth a hill of being.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, I appreciate, there's, there's no one in this world that appreciates what Hiroshi Tanahashi has done for New Japan Pro Wrestling more than me, you and the people who listen to this fucking show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, UG and the got to absolutely 100% and I think people appreciate that as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that doesn't necessarily mean that we have, uh, yeah, this matte classic on our hands.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't, we don't, um, I've said it last week, and I'll say it again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I can't wait for Hiroshi Tanashi to retire, because I am tired of watching them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Go through these exhibitions on a man on his last legs, I can't wait, I just cannot wait, I feel bad for the guy, I feel bad that he feels the need [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know this is kind of built into every single pro wrestlers DNA of the need to go out there to perform, and I look trust me, there have been times where I have a thousand percent appreciated that because he gave [SPEAKER_01]: everything he can and he still does give everything he can to get in the ring and put on a good show but sometimes the body says no fuck that noise and that's what we're witnessing and I don't want to see that anymore take the rest of the time off and it's not like this is this retirement tour has been gangbusters at the gate like again absence makes a heart grow fonder [SPEAKER_01]: Make appearances, sit at ringside, be the president, rest of Kingdom, have your last match, make it grand, make it a spectacular thing, give him the flowers that he deserves, but enough with this fucking retirement tour, it is breaking my heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally close line.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm desperately need New Japan to do something radical and exciting to rekindle mine.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure plenty of other people feel this way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our passion and love and excitement for this company.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to be honest, you've done a very, very huge innovator.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And look, this wasn't some kind of temp poll event that they would be gangbusting numbers or something, but it's just, [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get excited for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of musta any kind of enthusiasm for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, yeah, it's like the party that never ends.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the party that it's four in the morning and it's like, well, these people ever go to the fock home.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really where it's at.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because at midnight and one o'clock, this place was jumping.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we were having a ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, the fockin' E is worn off.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and now the here comes the great come down.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, uh, enough enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's, let's fast forward to the fucking dome.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, that's all I've got on my notes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I look we can preview up coming shows.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what have we got coming up by the time we're next record?

[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a show coming up, coming up, we're going to say coming up, coming up, I've said coming up more than I've ever said it before.

[SPEAKER_00]: My life Friday, we've got Shinnichi champion presents events at Karakuen Hall.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a Kojima and Hanma commentary match.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Moroshima Yoshihashi, Eugene Nagate, Genshin Mikato, Yano and Makabe, then there's a mass battle royal, then there's Shinichi champion versus House of Tortures, so Wato, Despi, Oleg Tanahashi, Genshin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dick Toka, Kanamaru, Ren Evil, the fourth match is a handsome battle rumble, fifth match.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the main event.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a generation crash with Toguchi, Taiichi, Nishi, and Zack against Fujita, Oawa, Yuya, and Shota.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not doing anything for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then we've got Skorraken Hall on Saturday, Road to Destruction, which is headlined by Never Overweight Sixman Tag Championship match where the champions, Wato, Yo, and Yano are defending its Tuguchi-despean.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tana Hashie, then Monday is battle line Hokkaido in the Nippon Engineering College Hokkaido College Gymnasium Arena and that is the famous show where I had a mental breakdown and that's headlined by [SPEAKER_00]: The no time limit trio tagged singles two out of three falls merge with to get you desperate the tannashie against a great bashy old team on macabre aiano.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know we've got enough and I've nothing to say to preview any of those matches.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one on guard's green earth.

[SPEAKER_01]: is sitting here saying, whoa, and rubbing our hands together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look in their chops, like, I can't wait for that fucking weekend.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, there we go in his statement.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's our friends over at WeWorkStiff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and God bless him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they are very good at finding interesting stuff and like narrative throws to pull on, where I often see nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've got an IAS, they've got, they even they've got nothing here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when they're not putting that up for us, I don't know, there's nothing to talk about here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what is there to talk about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what possibly could anyone?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't care if they're fucking broadcaster of the year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's nothing there that we haven't said for every one of these guys a thousand times.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like do you need to feel good that much to to have this feel good match and is it that much of a feel good match like it's not I don't I don't I like book Here's the problem now now all I'm doing is fucking moan and so what's what's the point why why right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I I really wanted to I didn't really want to know that's a life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good abandons.

[SPEAKER_01]: You really did you want to [SPEAKER_01]: He really did.

[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to watch it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to watch this next day or are you watching it live?

[UNKNOWN]: Oh fuck you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no Friday, I'm done out with my dad to see famous comedians do it, Lee.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a nice way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Give give you dad my best.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's always a pleasure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's, I mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those, you know what, if we're going to reveal it, let's set out the bat segment and see if we can get somebody to fucking reveal it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, like, I dare you, I triple dare you to say, okay, we want to review, and we want you, we want a five minute review of this show and throw it out there on the [SPEAKER_01]: zero people are going to be like, yep, sign me up.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they have like these visions of podcasting fame and fortune.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one is going to sign up for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking dare you to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would much rather.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do the bonus audio with Fraser talking about the Christmas turkey versus your rocky goto feud?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good show right there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would have him on and be like, what did you have to go through to get this fucking aunts and set up?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to know.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the fucking content I want to hear.

[SPEAKER_01]: Damn right.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we're really cross with ourselves for not talking about the X-Misterky thing on the show we did last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: When we were talking about both of us genuinely want to do, I'm hoping this episode divert entirely to talk about the Twitter feed, because it's really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's layered, it's decayed in the making, it's genuinely good storytelling.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, why don't we do this?

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be like, all right, here's our review of these.

[SPEAKER_01]: The core can show and then we just jump in Dan edits in the fucking turkey time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a turkey coat of youth.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be great.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the biggest serve there is.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to do next?

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, like I said, I'm feeling about the curtain.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said, there's nothing to talk about this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: So why don't we do a mail bag episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I went to the effort of compiling all the questions in the backlog, putting them in a Google Doc with the check I've seen so we can both have the Doc open.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, we can each choose questions that we're interested in and then tick them off the list.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'll be bothered.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go to bed and watch Alien and play.

[SPEAKER_01]: See how to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: As a sad sound, that's fine to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: My wife's coming home soon, so yeah, this was a short titan suite.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?