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So first and foremost, what do you guys think of our new intro song?

That is compliments of a friend of ours, Tragic from Soldier Entertainment up in Louisville, and he wanted to do something for the show.

We kind of put together some brainstorms on what to include, and he's the artist of the bunch, so he put it all together and I thought it turned out pretty damn good.

What did you think, Trace, I thought it was really awesome.

I was like, all right, bopping my head.

And we kind of pre played it for our Patreon listeners since they kind of get to hear things first, and we had awesome reviews from them.

Guys, so I'm kind of excited to unveil tonight, and this was a special show, so I thought, what the hell, let's just go ahead and unveil tonight.

We were gonna wait for little bit, but.

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Hi.

Welcome everyone to episode forty four Hillbilly Horror Stories, and we have a pretty darn good show for you tonight.

I'm Jerry and I'm joined by Tracy.

What's up, my peeps, and we are.

Excited for a couple of reasons.

First and foremost, we have the girls on from and that's why we drink.

They're like sisters to us, and they're going to be on at the end of the show.

We've got a about a thirty five minute conversation and it's probably the most fun conversation we've had with any guests, so you ever enjoy it.

We had a lot of fun doing that.

It's awesome.

Now, I wanted to first say that I think we've got two very interesting stories for you guys tonight.

We're going to do one story on al Capone and his ghost that haunted him.

So this is almost kind of like a little bit of true crime mixed with some paranormal.

And then we also have for you people in Florida.

You probably know the story, but outside of Florida you may not.

It's the I four Florida Dead Zone.

Pretty cool story.

So we're going to tell you those two stories, and then we'll let you hear the interview with the m and Christine.

And that's why we drink.

So overall, I think you're going to be in for a good show.

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Those were awesome reviews.

Let's see, let's just jump into the story.

We'll first talk about the Florida Dead Zone.

This is going to take place in Sanford, Florida, which is kind of in the Orlando area.

It's going to be a stretch of Interstate for it's about a quarter of a mile stretch, and it was built on some land that was initially called the Field of the Dead.

It was passed down for generations and as far as you know, the stories that go along here, but the land was also passed down.

It's a rich subtropical swamp land.

Before it was a highway.

Obviously, no one really lived in Florida back until like the eighteen fifties, mainly because there was too many swamps and really bad weather patterns.

And it's for those of you who don't know and live outside the area, it's the most humid place in America.

So it's kind of hot and sweaty.

There is you know, hot and sweaty balls.

Sweaty balls.

Nice you said sweaty.

I did.

It's the only thing I could think of.

They have thunderstorms almost every single day for about a six or seven months strough.

Oh my gosh, no way.

I mean, it's just like kind of like when we lived in the Islands.

I mean, it's just like a little bit, but they like a whole Yeah, it's not not all day long.

So in nineteen eighty five, Henry Sandford, who the town is named after.

He had a vision that that Sandford could be the hub of you know, trade in Florida because it's kind of right in the middle.

But it's also got the Saint John's Uh, which is the biggest river right there.

So he bought twelve thousand acres right on Lake Monroe.

And then he turned to the Catholic Church to try to get people there.

I guess, just you know, saying hey, we got someplace here, do you have any way you can you know, maybe send some people, let them know, spread to word.

So we had German four families of German immigrants.

They came there to because they wanted to have like a religious based farm.

So that's what they did, and they found out pretty quick it's really hard to turn swampland into farmland.

Well, I guess.

So the heat and humidity was horrible there.

The water really didn't move.

Even the Saint John's River really doesn't have much of a flow to it.

It almost looks like it's sitting steel.

Wonder if they had a bunch of mosquito.

That's exactly what they had.

It was perfect for mosquitoes.

And it's much like when we did the Story of the Gray man in South Carolina.

You know, when you get in area at this time of the time period in our country, there wasn't a lot of medicine.

There was a lot of disease and stuff, and mosquitoes are huge on that.

So what happened was there was a big, huge, yellow fever outbreak.

Now, yellow fever is a viral disease, so it's not transmittable, you know, a person to person that can only be basically transferred to a human through an animal or an insect.

That's so sad, and they had this big outbreak.

Unfortunately, it took the lives of a whole family.

There was a man, his wife, and the two children that they had.

So when the family died, the whole community went into a panic.

Because they don't know anything about yellow fever back then, they don't know how it spread.

So they quickly buried the bodies, they put up four markers, and then they pretty much got the hell out of there because they were afraid.

They're going to catch it, like everybody.

No, I mean, they just got away from it.

Oh oh, I'm so sorry.

I thought you meant like, get the hell out of town.

Actually, the town was on quarantine and you know, they wouldn't let anybody in or anybody out because back then they didn't know that this wasn't a contagion disease.

Yeah, you know, obviously with a whole family dying, you're just going to assume that's what it is.

The Sandford Coliny never really became what mister Sandford thought it was going to be because of this tragedy and outbreak of yellow fever.

So let's talk about the graves a little bit.

The four and marked graves were basically undisturbed for eighteen years.

In nineteen oh five, Albert Hawkins bought the land and he wanted to use the land for farming.

Of course, now he respected the graves there because they had the markers up.

So what he did was he kind of put up a fence all the way around it and he just wouldn't let anybody get near it.

I mean, he respected their final resting place and he thought that that's the way it should have been handled.

Well, good for him.

Now, obviously, this is where it became known as the Field of the Dead.

It was back in these days because I said it was previously it was known for that.

Now in the fifties and the sixties, the tourism increased in Florida.

Like I said, it's everybody thinks of it now as a tourism destination.

It wasn't that way until the fifties and sixties.

So what they wanted to do was they had to find a way from people to get to the east coast to the west coast of Florida an easier way.

And Orlando was just now starting to kind of become a place, and they decided that they could build the Eye four, which would take people straight across the central part of Florida.

The problem was they designed it to go straight over top.

Oh no, the graves, straight over top of the graves.

Oh no.

And in order for them to complete this, one or two things was going to have to happen.

They were either going to have to move the graves, which would have been the proper thing to do, or they were going to have to just throw dirt right over top of it and just construct right over top of them.

Well, why can't they just make a curve, a big curve right there.

It's because you can't always just make a curve when you're looking at rams.

You have, you know, and it's a bridge that had to go right there in that area.

It should have been a roundabout, but you.

Can't do a roundabout on a straightaway freeway.

Maybe confused, excused how freeways work.

I know, if you have a roundabout, you're just gonna go in circles.

Oh yeah, any preak that one work?

Never mind, I love you anyways.

So what happened was they decide to take the cheaper way out and just build and throw dirt right over top of it.

Now, this is where it gets kind of funny.

Nineteen sixty, the day the construction started, the very first day, Hurricane Donna switched courses.

Now, it went down like through Cuba, and it looked like it was going to hit one part, and it completely switched course and went straight over top of Sandford.

No, straight over top of the dead one.

And the weird weather patterns always happen right around that area, That's what people say.

So it's not unusual for this happened.

Now, it was unusual for a hurricane to come through because in this hurricane, more than fifty people died.

And you know, most most hurricanes, the velocity is nowhere near what this one was.

I mean, when it hits like when most hurricanes, when they hit land, it kind of calms it down, you know what I mean, Like right before it hits land, it might be one hundred and sixty mile on hour winds or something, but when it hits land, it'll toned down to like one hundred and fifteen or hundred and twenty.

Not this one.

This one, when it hit land, it almost picked.

Up speed, it says face.

So it's not something that normally would take place, but that's what happened with this one.

And like I said, more than fifty people died.

So this was the very at the time, Hurricane Donna was probably the worst hurricane to hit Souna and it just so happened the first day and hit.

Yeah, right, whenever.

Doinge this constructed, See, that's what they gift.

Are trying to be cheap.

You should have just made a big ass curve and been done with it.

So now we're going to fast forward to two thousand and they decided that they need to do some new construction right there in the dead one, in the same spot they needed to do in a pro tramp.

A pro tramp you know, like an on ramp.

Oh, why need you to say an on ramp.

Because it said a pro tramp and of research I did.

Don't criticize me.

I wouldn't know what a pro tramp is.

Well, you would if you just finished listening.

To the story I got to learn as a go.

Anyways, this is August thirteenth.

Guess which day of the week that was?

Oh, Friday, Oh Friday, right, I just guess sure.

It was a Friday, Yes, Friday the thirteenth.

So they're building this new construction.

The first day of it, guess what happens?

A tornado er come no.

Hurricane Charlie hit the dead one.

It veered off course again.

It was funded to hit like on the other side of Florida in the Gulf, and it said it veered over one hundred and twenty five mile per hours wins in three hours.

Followed the I four track, just like Donna did.

Most of the damage was in a ten mile stretch that was right there in the dead one.

It was the second most expensive hurricane ever.

It did fifteen billion dollars worth of damage in a ten mile stretch for the most part.

Okay, I'm sorry, and you're gonna yell at me, probably.

How when was the timeframe between Donna and Charlie.

Donna was in sixties.

Yeah, two thousand and four.

Okay, so nobody tried to do anything.

I guess in between.

All that time, then well, I mean, what are you gonna do?

I mean, once it's there, it's there.

Yeah, and they really don't even know one hundred percent where the graves are at this point.

I mean there's people that say they think they know about where it is.

So let's talk about some incidents.

July first, nineteen ninety six, got named Tony Santiago.

He worked at one of the theme parks and he moved to Florida when he was eighteen because he used to go as when they were kids in Chicago.

That's where he's originally from.

His family had come there on vacation and he thought, man, this is just a cool last place.

So as soon as he turned eighteen, he moved there.

Like I said, he's working at one of the theme parks.

He got off late one night and he decided that he was going to go to the beach.

Now, I four would take you there, so that was you know, where you would obviously get on and he's been there.

He's taken that road several times.

With no incidents whatsoever.

Well, what happened this time, though, is a little bit different.

He gets on the ipho and he gets right to the area where most of this stuff happens, you know, where people see visions and stuff like that, and he was the only car.

The radio just went out.

He sees a flash and then he sees a small glowing figure that was moving like a child, kind of run in front of him.

Then he sees the second figure, but he could make out more features on this one.

Tell it was a woman.

He slams on his brakes.

You know, it's a little bit foggy out there at this time.

Yeah, he slams on his brakes, gets out, nothing there, nothing there.

He looks all over the place because he wants to make sure, obviously.

That he didn't hit somebody.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that was one of the incidents.

That's the kind of things that happened.

Now let's talk about We're going to go back a little bit in the forties.

According to the legend, there was a boy named Hardy.

Now, Hardy was being very disrespectful to the graves because, keep in mind, the guy who had owned the property before, the farmer.

He taught everybody to be respectful, and his grandkids and stuff, so that he can remember him preaching to them basically that you respect graves and you don't ever play in there.

Well, this kid was playing in the fenced in area that was made to keep them out.

He was kicking the markers, like the cross markersting cross markers.

He's kicking on them.

He's just being a little jerk.

His name was Hardy Jackson Hodge.

And the very next day he's walking on just a gravel road and he gets hit by a truck.

It's a hit and run situation and it actually kills him.

And to this day that murder is still unsolved because they never found the driver of the vehicle.

This happened fifty yards from the cemetery plot.

Oh gosh, so it's fifty yards from the grave site.

The very next day after he was being disrespectful.

See, people need not to play.

Why do they do that?

I have no idea.

Oh my gosh, what a brat.

And then now that happens, and there's right after they opened the right after they opened the freeway, right there a semi jackknife right at the grave site and back at back traffic all the way up.

In terms of fatal this is kind of interesting.

In terms of fatal accidents per mile, the I four dead Zone stretch of highway is the deadliest in America.

They average over two thousand wrecks there from the time that it was out.

Oh wow, no, see, I prefer it just be the dead one for the sprint.

That's terrible.

So, I mean, that's pretty when you think about, you know, over two thousand accidents in a time that it's been opened in that little stretch, it's pretty amazing.

It is amazing.

Will people there will have wrecks on a regular basis, and they will see apparitions which actually caused the wreck that sty'll swerve to avoid it.

There was one incident in the nineties.

This is actually one of the coolest stories.

Susan Thompson.

It's the early nineties.

July twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four.

She went to see a friend and as she approached the bridge right there, she heard hissing sound coming from her car.

It kind of sputtered and it died.

She was in a panic, obviously, because we told you how hot it is here in Florida, and especially in July and she's walking, she's sweating her ass off, and I send my truck pulls up.

Well, she didn't really pay attention, but the guy opens, you know, the door for her, and she says, she normally wouldn't accept a riding, but the guy seemed kind and he looked at her and he said Susie, and she said yeah, and he held out her hand and put her in.

It didn't dawn on her until after the fact that she he knew her name.

Yeah, that name.

Yeah, So she didn't even think about it.

So she thanks him.

They pull, they go up, and they get off at the nearest truck stop or gas station and she gets out of the vehicle.

She walks you know, five six, seven steps, and she decides she's gonna turn around to say thank you again, and when she does, the vehicle's gone.

So she starts asking the people that are like right there, you know, hey, did you see a truck?

And you know, you got smart ass people, they're like, oh, we see trucks all the time.

The truck stop, She's like, no, did you see the truck I just got out of And you know, they're like, no, we didn't see anybody.

They don't even know where she came from.

Oh my lord, how do you get transported in a ghost truck?

I don't know.

Oh my gosh.

But that is the story on the I four Dead Zone.

Well, that's really interesting.

I don't want to go there.

I don't think now I want to go there just for that purpose, because I.

Do, you might die or something.

No, stop it.

What if you did both, then you'd be trying to do this podcast by yourself, which we both know how that would go.

It'd just be you on a microphone for an hour saying the part you would normally say, without any story.

Wow, it's amazing you have it.

You have an hour and a half of that.

Oh you are so.

Your big empty spot with nothing there, and then you just say.

Wow, you're embarrassing me.

Stop you're such a turd.

I wanted to say I wanted to talk about real quick because once again we want to thank all you Patreon supporters and stop it.

I'm trying to be serious, damn it.

I want to thank all the Patreon supporters.

I really need to have some Sarah McLaughlin pain in the background or something, some soft piano yager maybe a little more on key, but other than that that would be perfect.

So the change are you done?

This is not America's Got talent, this is our podcast.

So I want to thank all the or the damn it.

I.

Guess because we got we got the girls from and that's why we drink around.

I can't help.

But that's just.

Now.

Can we get back to it?

Yes?

I want to thank all you Patreon supporters, and I gotta make up time somewhere.

And what you guys get, obviously, is you get bonus episodes.

Uh.

First of all, if you're not a Patreon supporter and you would like to be, just go to our website.

It's under the Patreon slash donate page and you can be a Patreon supporter and what happens.

As long as you donate at least three dollars a month, you get one of our listeners episode, which we did on the first of the month.

We'll do it the first of every month, and if you donate five dollars, you get that one as well as another bonus episode where it's gonna be pretty much the same as a regular show.

You just get an extra two shows a month, so instead of four, you get six.

Now that's what we're gonna do on this first bonus episode, which comes out Thursday, So you got plenty of time to jump in there if you want to get this one.

We're gonna mix up a little bit of true crime and we're gonna mix in some paranormal and then.

Jerry's gonna think of some more insulting things to say to me.

So ready, I've already got a list.

There's nothing to think about, he said.

So we're gonna do on this bonus episode coming up, We're gonna do a on the true crime side, Gordon Northcott, which was the wind Or the Wineviille, Check Coop, Murder stop it.

People lost their lives and you're laughing at well the For those of you who watch American Horror Story, I'm gonna let you out on a little tip on the very on the American Horror Story Hotel, there was the maid that helped out Patrick marsh He was she was his servant that was always cleaning the sheets and stuff like that.

There's an episode where they talk about how she lost her son.

That was Halloween.

A stranger picked her son up and then she went to eventually find out that they were at this little chicken farm and her son was apparently dead and they couldn't find his body.

That was actually based that part was based on this story.

This actually happened in the thirties and it was a guy who ran a chicken ranch and he had he was actually abduct and locking people up in a chicken coop and killing them.

But we're gonna tell you the whole story on that.

Remember on Friday when was his name?

Smoked that bad weed?

And if they put him in a chicken coop and he's like walk like nacking like a chicken, he throws a chicken.

Yeah, that's exactly the same as what we were talking about.

You know, not everybody loves that movie like you do.

That's the best movie ever.

The second second story we're gonna do is called Round Cypress Head.

It's a I know that sounds dirty, that's what you're doing with you So Round Cypress Head is actually a It's down in Florida and it's a little stretch of kind of a hard to get to part of the the coast and there's supposed to be a demon that's been haunting that place since the twentiest or since the twenties the twentiest, since the twenties.

Damn it.

Whatever, hard time today, guys, I'm sorry.

Then we're gonna talk about the Wabashaw Street Caves in Minnesota, and that's actually Julie Carlson actually gave me that idea like three months ago, and I kept trying to find a place to put it, find a place to put it, and this is the exact one.

But the Wabashaw Street Caves has a fascinating story and it's a mixture of true crime and paranormal.

So yeah, but it's actually a cave that all the gangsters used to hang out in the Prohibition.

It was a nightclub and then there was some murders that took place and some ghosts and stuff that hang out there.

But pretty cool.

So it's going to be a mixture of the paranormal and true crime all the way around.

So that's what we got made up for you that comes out on the fifteenth, which will be this coming Thursday.

She'll be looking for it in your feed.

On that note, let's talk about some more gangsters.

Are we ready to talk about al Capone?

Well, yeah, al Capone.

You know what would have made al Capone happy?

A hillbilly horror story t shirt, which you can also get on our website.

So anyways, okay, al Capone.

I don't know how much people outside of the country will know about al Capone, but he was the most powerful mob boss back in his day.

He was one of the most recognizable names in American history.

So, like I said, anybody in America can pretty much tell you at least they've heard of al Capone.

He practically owned Chicago back in the twenties.

He had over one thousand gunmen, he had paid off every politician, and was the head of a crime emperor was worth thirty million dollars at the age of twenty six.

Wow, that he had over one hundred people.

Get this number.

Keep in mind this is back in the twenties.

Okay, he had over a He had right at one hundred people on his payroll.

That the weekly salary combined was three hundred thousand dollars.

So let's do the math on that real quick, Tracy, How chess, Tracy?

If you had one hundred people making three hundred thousand dollars total, how much does each one make?

I don't know, thirty million dollars.

Okay, think about this again.

You have a thousand dollars.

You have one hundred people, yeah, three hundred thousand total.

Three hundred thousand dollars.

Yeah, right, No, you got three hundred thousand totals split amongst a hundred people.

How much does each person make a week?

Thirty one thousand dollars?

A thousand dollars?

Well, what the heck?

Three thousand dollars?

Did I say that?

I say three thousand.

I don't think you did.

Now you made me embarrassed for them?

How to add?

All?

Right?

So his his secret.

To success, Oh I did say three thousand dollars.

Well, if you did, you did.

But his secret to success was he pretty much wanted to focus on activities that had a strong demand from the public.

Liquor, gambling, and prostitution.

They all sound fun to me.

Liquor in the front, poker in the back.

Ooh.

Now, of course, not everybody loved al Capone.

He was hated by a lot of people.

He was especially his rivals, because you know, you have rival gangs, mybicers.

There were several attempts to assassinating in nineteen twenty six is one of the big ones, the Obanions.

They sent a fleet of cars loaded with machine guns to the Lexingdon Hotel, which is where he Alcapone had his headquarters at.

They poured over a thousand rounds into the building, but al Capone escaped.

So what an issue?

Well, there are some bad shots, but.

Then what does he do.

Capone decides that he's going to order the Saint Valentine's Day massacre.

He didn't call it that.

They called it that after the fact.

That would have been paid though, Hey, guys, got a plan for you.

You got your hearts.

But it happened on St.

Valentine's Day, which is February fourteenth, which is why it's called that.

Now, what happened was he wanted to get rid of his rival, Bugs Moran, and he sends his group out there and they killed several people.

I don't have the exact total, but there were several people killed there.

This was kind of the last straw for the public.

They were tired of all this anyway, but this was like, man, this has got to stop.

And most of this was coming from the Bootleg Wars because this was during the time of Prohibition and once again, for you peeps outside of the United States back in the twenties leading into the thirties, there was a stretch for the United States thought, Hey, you know what would be a cool idea.

We'll is outlaw liquor.

Yeah, how dumb is that it's illegal?

So what happened was the mob bosses pretty much got rich because they did nothing but had their own stills making moonshina and they were running across borders and they were paying people good money for it.

And that's how it worked.

Well that that caused all these different rival bootleggers slash mob bosses to have all these wars with each other.

And that's what you had going on right now.

So eventually the United States wised up and they fixed that problem.

And then once they fixed it that most of that went away.

Looking for everybody, now, some of you will know a show, and if you're older, a show called the Untouchables.

Elliot Ness was a group from Washington, DC that was sent there and his group of untouchables to fix this problem in Chicago, and that's what they did.

Now, it's funny because al Capone was responsible for the murder of over five hundred people.

That is ridiculous.

He broke all the prohibition laws, But what did he actually go to jail for what did they bust do you know?

Making moonshine?

No, no, they're busted him for tax evation.

Oh seriously, that's what they adrestling on.

Okay, because this world's stupid, that's what you're going to rest him on.

So they sent him to a president Atlanta and sentenced him for to eleven years.

In nineteen thirty four, he was transferred to Alcatraz.

Now, Alcatraz was a place where they believed in hard punishment.

It was super hard, super strict, and there were no privileges.

And it's nothing like today's present.

No, absolutely not.

That's what it should be.

You're exactly right now.

One of the most effective and actually one of the cruelest ways of punishment at the same time was to put people in the hull.

Now, what they did back then they actually had a very small, almost dungeon like quarters that which is barely big enough for some to stand up in.

Oh wow, and it was dark, there was no windows.

Not only did you get to stay there for a while, but they would beat you.

So that was just part of it.

So al Capone during these times, and he granted he had three stretches where he stayed in the hole, and he was severely beaten each time.

So how long do you have to stay in the hole.

It just just depends, It depends.

It just depends.

But you know, I think I would like solitary confinement.

That way, you don't have to worry about somebody having their way with you.

I mean, you'd be by yourself.

But they beat you the whole time you were in there.

Oh, they just don't leave you be No, I'll talk about today.

Oh yeah, today.

That's just like Charles Manson has.

He's been in solitary confinement basically since he's been in there.

But Capone spent three stretches in there over the whole time he was there.

But what you got to realize is why he spent his time there.

In the first years of Alcatraz, they were known as the silent years because prisoners were not allowed to talk to each other.

They couldn't sing, couldn't even whistle silence.

The only time you were allowed to talk was three minutes in the morning and in the afternoon during your recreation period, so he basically had six minutes to talk.

And then they were really nice though, because on the weekend they would give you two hours she got two hours in a week.

So Capone spent two of his times in the hole because he didn't think that that applied to him.

He's so used to having everything his way and everybody just bowing to him.

And the other time is for trying to bribe a guard.

So he obviously didn't know about what eventually happened is these trips probably broke him.

Yeah, there was.

That was how bad these trips were.

I mean when you when you hear about it, you're like, oh, you probably spent a couple of days here.

These trips in that hole, with the beatings and the isolation, they took a toll on him, and uh many in the Alcatral as far as prisoner was, they went insane, and Capone was probably one of them because after several attempts on his life of beatings that he took, he got stabbed one time, and along with just a general prison routine.

I mean, you could imagine how somebody who's used to being king of the world, how that could just totally screw their psyche of After five years, he he kind of snapped and would sometimes he would refuse to leave his cell to eat.

He would just kind of crouch in the corner sometimes and just start talking to himself, whispering, and then he would some of the some of the cell mates said that he would just stay in his room and just remake his bunk over and over and over again.

That's kind of funny.

They don't allow you to talk in there, but they did allow you, and they couldn't.

You couldn't get stuff from the outside except musical instruments.

They would let you have musical instruments.

So his wife brought him a band Joe, and he would sit and just playing itself sometimes while people outside the cell would listen.

Yeah, so you know, I mean, in a way almost I feel bad for him if it was just because of the tax evasion, because that's pretty harsh punishment.

But I can't feel bad for him when you had five hundred people killed.

Well, they could couldn't find the real reason to arrest him.

They couldn't find the proof of the five so they had to get him on whatever.

Yeah, man, they had.

He spent the last part of his life being treated for syphilis or not the last part of his life, but the last part of his time at Alcatraz in basically the nursing area being treated for syphilis.

He'd had that from carried it from years before, and it just got to the point where, you know, it was a problem.

He left Alcatraz in nineteen thirty nine.

And it's funny because there's a guy named Jake Greasy thumb Gouzick.

What a good name.

He was kind of running the mob while he was out, and a reporter actually asked him, I like, how these reporters just go talk to the mob like it's like like they're the head of ge or something.

Ford and he asked him, he said, you know, now that capone's getting out, is he going to be back to running the mob?

And this guy, Jake said, he basically looked and he said, man, he said, owl's nuttier than the fruitcake, so he would not be taken back off.

Well, so then, how how long was how long was he out of prison before he passed?

I mean, did he have very many more years?

Yeah?

I mean he got out in thirty nine and he died in the forty forty eight or something.

He ford about nine years.

We'll get to that part.

But our retired to Florida, nice little mansion in Miami, and he spent the next eight years kind of just drifting in between sanity and God not being, you know, saying and.

That's a horrible life to live.

Well, some people say that a ghosts kind of drove him and sang, And then some people say that his early Sonelity is what created the ghost, that there was no ghost, So what am I talking about.

Capone killed most of his enemies without a doubt.

He couldn't get rid of one of the spirits, though, the ghost of Jimmy Clark or James Clark.

But Jimmy said how he would always refer to him.

He was the brother in law of Bugs Moran, remember the guy from the same Valentine's Damasaker.

He was the brother in law.

But he was also a victim there and Capone said that Jimmy handed him from nineteen twenty nine till he died.

Wow.

Now, many times Capone's employees would hear him begging Jimmy to leave him alone.

Now this was before he even went to prison.

On several occasions, bodyguards would break down doors and get into the rooms, thinking, you know, somebody's got into Compone, and then Capone would explain to them that it was the ghost of Jimmy.

So was Jimmy created out of guilt?

You know?

Is he responsible?

You know, I guess you think about it like, I mean, could it be guilt because he was responsible for the death of over five hundred people?

But then why just one ghost?

Why is Jimmy representing everybody?

In nineteen thirty one, he contacted a psychic by the name of Alice Britt because he wanted to get rid of the ghost.

So she came in and actually did some ceremonies and stuff, some rituals to try to eliminate it.

And this was years before his symphlist, So for people to say, you know, well, he just went batshit crazy and that's where all this stuff's coming from.

This was before he was having any of these issues of going crazy.

This was before he went to jail.

Capone died nineteen forty seven January twenty fifth of bronchill, pneumonia and a brain hemorrhage in Florida.

He was buried in Chicago Mount Olive Cemetery.

He was secretly moved to Mount Carmel.

Not really sure why, but he was because they ended up putting the headstone up.

The headstone still there.

But he's not there.

No, well, no, he's there.

Oh, he's there, so they weren't trying to hide it.

His real name actually is Alphonse Capone.

I have a cousin named Alfonse.

They're probably related, I swear.

Now, Haimie Cornish, now what kind of hell the name is?

Asked?

It's a mobster name.

Homi cornickh that is not no momster.

Name, Homie Cornish.

I just thought this was interesting to anyway, because everybody seems to take think Capone was a nut and he made us up.

But Haimie went in to take a look around in Capone's office.

Now this is while Capone was pon, that's why he was still alive.

And there he went into his office and there was somebody standing by the window looking out mm hmm.

And he's like, hey, you're not supposed to be in here.

So he takes a look around to see if it's anybody else in there, and when he looked back to the window, there was nobody.

Ah.

So for all those saying that there was no ghost, Hymie may have actually saw this ghost as well.

And you think it was Jimmy, Well.

I don't know.

I wouldn't there I can't pass for Hymie.

I just want to know if it was Jimmy though for real.

Well, I mean, I guess everything is up for debate as to what everybody believes.

But if you're asking me what I believe, I think it was probably Jimmy.

Why would why would Capone just constantly single this guy out?

Yeah, I mean there were even reports that in prison that he would start screaming, like in the middle of the night, and guards and stuff will go down there, and he was saying it was Jimmy.

So this happened before he went to prison, while he was in prison, and after he was in prison, and then you know, like I was saying earlier, I just I find it hard to believe you can kill five hundred people and then but just one ghost, and that one particular all the time.

You would think if it was a mental thing, that there would be several different people, all these rivals.

Well, maybe it was his conscience, because you said that Jimmy was his buddy, right though, and he just accidentally got killed, right.

No, I don't know where you got that.

That was nowhere in the story.

I thought you said it was an accident.

Well, not an accident.

He just got killed in the mixt of all of it.

The hell am I doing?

Have no idea?

I said that, I.

Said bugs Moran who was his rival who he was trying to kill.

It was his brother in law and he was killed at that same massacre.

He's close though, I've tracked folks.

Y'all probably like my story better anyway.

Either way, if you don't, you know, it's like the amy Go horror.

If it didn't really happen, just make something up.

Yeah, Wow, that was a that's that was a good story like that.

I did like that.

And just so you'll know, that story is kind of like the Wabashaw Street Cave story that we're going to tell on the Bous episode coming up Thursday.

So I just can't wait.

I can't wait for that.

You still got time to become a five dollars supporter or a ten dollars supporter and get that show.

That was pretty much the end of what we got for regular show.

Now we've got the girls getting ready to come up for and that's why we drink.

Next week's show is actually a pretty cool story.

I think everybody will like and I've forgotten what it is, so get us have to tune in and we'll listen to it.

You.

I do, so look, and I know y'all probably don't.

I put down a schedule of like the next six weeks of shows, and then I get so caught up in what we're doing right this second that I don't even look at next week's show, so I forget.

But it's OK.

It's a good story though.

Yeah, I can promise you that story.

I do nothing but look for great stories for you, guys, So I promise you you'll always have a good story.

And in case we haven't said it, we love you, guys.

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I don't know why I didn't know that record video.

Yes, well, how do you think all these people were sending video on Snapchat?

I thought it just happened.

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Yeah.

I don't even know anything about Instagram.

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Okay, guys, welcome back, and we've got special guests.

We've been talking about this for several weeks now, even though they never really gave me a commitment until like three days ago.

But we've got em and Christine from what has quickly become one of our Tracy and I's favorite podcasts.

And that's why we drink.

And guys, I can't explain how happy I am to finally have you guys on board, because I'll look at you as like my little sisters.

Oh my gosh, and oh yeah.

And I can't tell you how many times like we're like just laying in bed listening to you guys, and we'll just like bust a gut.

I mean, we'll just like bust out awesome.

I mean, there's nothing else happening in our bedroom, so we might as well just listen to you guys.

I'm glad we bring you joy, because honestly, when we started this, we didn't think we would have anyone listening to us.

So to hear that's really really nice.

Oh yeah, absolutely, it's when we started.

You guys were the ones that we first kind of got advice from, and you guys are the ones who are kind of leading us in the beginning.

So it's kind of cool to actually be on your show now and talk to you in person.

No, it's funny because you know, I listened to the very first episode.

I think that's about the time when we first started listening, cause we hooked up by accident on Twitter and just listening to the first episode and then every episode after that.

It's cool to be able to hear the evolvement of the show because it definitely has evolved.

And I know you say we gave you advice, but the reality of it is you already had two or three shows in the can.

From any advice, I'd give you you'd already corrected anything that I would have corrected.

And you know, I think you guys have a perfect set up.

The banter between you guys is what makes the show.

And I think if we go back to the very beginning when I talked to Christine the first time, I think I might have even said that you guys probably talked a little too much in the beginning before you got into the topics.

Yes, but after looking at that, and I'm not afraid to men I was wrong.

I was wrong.

I mean, the reality of it is, that's what makes the show.

Absolutely and this is not an insult by any means, but now.

We're very aware that we talk a lot.

This is not the first time we've had to struggle with this.

But you know that, to me, the show doesn't even matter as much what topics you're talking about that day.

It's I just like to listen to you guys talk and laugh and giggle and cut up.

So I mean the story is secondary to be, you know, to the to the you know, just conversations you guys have.

And I would have initially thought that wouldn't have been the case, but in reality, what I thought was a criticism was was actually the strong point of the show.

So congrats on that.

Yeah, thank you so much, a huge compliment.

Everything she knows so well, it's all thanks to.

Yeah, you guys.

I mean, it's so funny listening to you guys in the beginning, and I mean, like I said, it cracks me up all the time.

And then to get into you guys telling the story, it's just I don't know, it's just so much fun to listen to you all.

Oh, thank you, you guys.

It's obviously the same back you go.

Thank you.

Well, tell me how all this came about.

I mean, you guys are in LA.

One of you're from Virginia, one of the us from Ohio.

How did you guys hook up in LA?

Did you know each other beforehand or is it something after you moved out there you met each other.

Well, we actually went to grad school together in Boston, and we didn't really know each other very well.

In Boston, we just were classmates, and then our program sent us out to LA for the last semester we were in a television program.

So in this it was a semester where you spent in LA.

And so if you could try and get internships and things like that, and when we lived out here, there was only a few people we knew when we moved to the other side of the country, so we kind of banded together.

And that was when Christine got GEO, first of all, and second of all, that was when her and I started hanging out and we started talking about I don't know how we started talking about ghosts, Oh.

Just immediately we were talking about all the crazy shit that we already talked about on the podcast.

And so we just realized, why haven't we been best friends this whole time?

So pretty soon after that, we've been listening to podcasts.

She actually got me into podcasts, and after listening to two or three and then becoming my favorite ones, I was like, why don't we just make one?

I mean, we're pretty good at non stop talking, as you know, and we could just make one about ghosts, and she's really into true crime, so we just put our two interests together.

That's amazing.

This, that's a great Yeah, the idea for that is awesome to be able to split it and have the true crime and then the paranormal together.

So that was a I don't know if there's any other ones like that out there because I've not stumbled across it.

But if that was an original idea, it was.

It was a perfect work of art.

Oh, we might put that on our website and like a review.

So how about how did the whole wine and milkshake theme come about?

Well?

I drink a lot of wine, as you know, and part of I think we originally had a different name for the podcast, which was called Eerie and Theory, which we committed to and then kind of.

Threw away after a little while.

I mean we committed entirely to a point where we had already bought the equipment and we had made social media pages for it.

And then the night before we began our.

First episode, we were talking and at some point one of us said, and that's why we drank, And we.

Were like, wait, is that the name of our podcast?

Did we just stumble upon that?

Somebody did it?

And we both laughed so hard and we were like, what, that's such a funny line.

Maybe that'll be our tagline.

And then we were like, but it's kind of works as a title, and so we completely like we had hundreds of dollars already into this Erie and Theory podcast, and we were like, what are we doing?

So we just completely changed the name.

And since em doesn't drink alcohol, she was like, well I want to be a part of it too, So we decided to do the versus the wine versus milkshake.

So great, so fat.

Yeah, a quite a emotionally turbulent night.

But yeah, it's worked out for you, guys.

It's just amazing things just fall together like they're supposed to be.

Yeah, that's what we've kind of noticed.

Things have kind of just worked out.

So it's been really good.

It's been a really cool couple of months.

You know, some people will look at you guys and say, man, how cool is it to have a podcast where you just talk about drinking and and then you you know, you get into the stuff you like, like true crime and the paranormal part of it.

But at least I don't know a lot about your past as far as work history, Christine, but you had a pretty cool job anyway in the in the movie industry with making props and stuff like that.

Talk a little bit about that and some of the cool stuff you've been a part of.

Well, well, yeah, I have a cool job currently where I work at a prop house in la and it's basically shows and movies will come to us and say, in this episode, we have some wild prop that we need to build, and we need it in the next couple of weeks.

So we essentially get a bunch of work orders that say, you know, here's this weird assignment.

You have to build it and in this amount of time.

And so that's that's the job I have.

So I mention pretty cool stuff.

I've made some things that people probably see all the time on TV, all the way down to like soda can labels and beer bottle labels, but it goes pretty it goes all the way up to like Marvel props and things like that.

So but I got the I got the job totally on a whim.

It was just pure luck that I ended up out here and got a cool job.

So what was the show because I can't remember, but you guys talked about on your show, so I'm assuming it's okay to still talk about.

Uh, there was a show where you did a bunch of Valentine notes, but I can't remember which show that was.

That was for this season of It's Always Sunny, And I made probably near two to three hundred Valentine's Stake cards and I hand wrote every single one of them.

I hand wrote the insides of every single one of them.

Then the season came out and my friends were like, don't even You're going to be so upset because I guess they cut out that entire scene so you only seem going hard.

And that's why we drink, and that's why we drink.

I would have sent them all of them again.

I was like, look, you're gonna take one of these damn Valentines.

You're gonna cherish every moment of it.

But at least on those were made with love.

They were Oh though, all that hard work, Oh my god.

That's part of my job.

I get asked to do some pretty crazy things and that I never know if they're going to show up for you.

But how fun.

Though it sounds like a great job.

It is.

I do sign a lot of NDA, so I can't talk too much about current projects.

But it's fun to be able to watch shows later and be like, oh, yeah, I made that, and then all my friends freak out and.

What So now watching TV with them is just like waiting for her to go.

I made that too.

Oh that chair, I made that I made that soda.

That's so cool.

I think it's funny that you can't mention, like maybe a show that you might be making a soda cane la before that's you know, I can't tell you there's gonna be a soda can label and this one it's top secret.

It's ridiculous.

There's some things that it makes no sense at all.

I just have to make, like a nurse's badge for an extra in the background.

I've a scene that won't even make the final cut, and I can't talk about it the life.

Oh my goodness.

So what do you guys like to do when you're not podcasting or at work?

What are some of your favorite things to do out there?

Well, speaking for myself, I ultimately want to write for TV.

So that's why I'm kind of out in Alay to begin with.

I'm taking a very roundabout way to get there, I guess.

But so I screenwrite a lot for comedies.

I also like to Oh, I do a lot of improv.

That's the other thing.

Thanks em me better than I know myself.

So I'm doing a lot of improv.

Now I have an improv team out here, so I'm just trying to get as much into comedy as possible, and then the podcast has been much more, has become, I guess, a much bigger part of our lives than we even expected.

So that's kind of becoming something we're grounding ourselves into, and I think some opportunities might come.

Out of that.

So yeah, you know, all sorts of fun little things.

And we played with g a lot too.

I know you guys are starting to pick up some sponsors, it looks like, So that's that's positive.

That's hard to do in this industry.

So that's a sure sign of success when you get people want you to peddle their products, So great.

Thank you.

We just got a wine a wine app company, so I was pretty excited.

About waiting for my milkshake app.

Yeah, someone's going to come through for them, I'm sure.

I started saying that the last couple seemed like they were more tailored toward Christine between either.

They are, because we also we did a coffee app too, and I'm a tea drinker, so I was like, what, what the hell, what's my chance?

So I uh, I.

Don't actually I went I went through a phase like two summers ago where I like, for some reason really wanted to study every type of tea and I wanted to.

It was the weirdest experience.

Of my life, but I had I was just drinking a lot of tea and I was like, I should know about this in case someone ever asks me about tea, which has happened.

By the way, Well, yeah, that's so weird because there are just one hundreds and hundreds of different kind of tea, so I wouldn't have a clue.

I'm just like, hey, I get my tea at Thornton's.

I'm good.

I don't even word.

Basically, I know enough to make an app about tea so I can sponsor us for.

No O cool.

Basically, I'm gonna start asking you questions about tea to quiz you in every episode from now on.

So let's talk about the show a little bit.

You guys.

Obviously you do a paranormal story and a true crime story.

M h, tell me a little bit.

I'll get both of you to answer this.

Which story that you've told so far?

Because we're nineteen episodes in as of today.

What story have you told each of you that is your favorite or this kind of stood out as something that was you know, a little ahead of the other stories you told.

Well, for the parent normal stories, I really liked.

Actually, I liked my first one the most.

It was the Winchester Mystery House.

I like that one the most first because I've actually been there, so I was able to not only have seen how crazy it is, but I actually knew what I was talking about a little better because I'd gone on a real tour of it.

But I think I'm really into weird, quirky roadside attractions too, so that's my own personal interest.

And when it came to a haunted house that was also like the size of like sixteen football fields and it was amaze and a bunch of crazy people were in there, that was something I really liked.

But I think I think I've liked all of the ones that we've done, but I think because it was our first it it's really special because we didn't know how we if it was going to be the only one we ever told that this show didn't.

I tried really hard on it, so I think that was for the sake of research that one I put the most effort to.

I'm trying to think, I it's hard for me to pick one.

I guess there are a couple that I really was passionate about, maybe just because I knew about them before, same sort of thing.

Obviously, I was not involved in any of these, like you were involved with this paranormal one, right, because fortunately I was not murdered murdered.

But I guess I'm trying to think some of the one I really.

Like the the twists, the ones with twists, and I think it's more fun for me to tell those because and lately I've been trying to find stories that might not know about or might not know some details, so I can tell it in a more like genuine so, you know, a more surprising and genuine way.

So like the Alisa Lamb story who was found in the water tank and kind of the mystery behind that.

So it was fun to take the twists and turns.

Plus it's just extremely disturbing.

So the ones that kind of struck a chord with me probably were that one and then the two girls uh listen Froun and her friend who went missing in Panama.

I guess the unsolved mysteries.

Maybe maybe those are my favorites.

It seems to be the running trend.

Do you find and you're it might be a little harder because I don't know how much did you kind of cross reference on this stuff?

But do you find the true crime stuff is a little harder to come up with a great story or a story that's as interesting as the paranormal stuff, or do you you know, do you guys go back and forth on some of this stuff to say, Man, I like this a whole lot better than this as far as researching it.

Yeah, that's interesting.

I guess I haven't really thought about it.

I think it's I think it actually comes more not just being interesting, but on how easy and accessible the stories are to find.

I think I think her stories are more interesting because everyone knows that they're they're true.

There's proof of him and a lot of my stories.

I wonder how many skeptics are listening to us, and I wonder if they just think I'm spewing bullshit?

Sure anyone to present, you know, every side to it.

So it's hard to.

And it's harder.

It's there's much more murder in the world than there are ghost stories.

So there are a lot of.

Times where I I don't like lose any sleep about it, but I do wonder.

I'm like, well, I run out of ghost stories.

Am I gonna be the reason that we end?

It's so funny.

I would think for every one of these murder stories, there's probably some ghost hanging around there afterwards, so you should go just pick pick them up as you go.

Yeah, I'm gonna say, yeah, if there's a murder, then I'm sure there's a ghost far behind.

Well.

I'm also the person who absolutely believes there's always a ghost.

As soon as someone's dead, there's a ghost there, and so as soon as there's a murder, I'm just waiting for someone to report a hunting.

But that doesn't happen as often as I like it too.

Yeah, I think that I guess the unique challenge on my end, Like I totally agree that hers are harder to kind of research and present in a certain way, but which I'm sure guys, you guys understand obviously being a paranormal show.

But I guess the our part on my end is that there's so many different directions you can take true crime, from kidnapping the murder to then there are like you know, more disturbing rape stories, and I try to stay away some I don't like to touch.

There's some we agree that we're not going to talk about.

Yeah, because it's just too much and it's not something that I think I can.

Well, also, I'm going to jump in.

I think it's there's a certain level of political correctness and finding a way to be polite in the stories, because I mean, our whole thing is that we're trying to make murder fun when really it's like it's the one thing you shouldn't really be trying to make jokes of, right, And so there are certain ones that we've talked about where they're mainly sexual abusers, and we just agree like it should not be either of our responsibilities to give them airtime or to try and make that a funny thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, so and some just hit me too hard to the point where they're just personally I don't want to talk about them on air or make it, you know, fun.

You know.

So it's kind of you walk a fine line.

And then I have people who comment like, oh, well, the stories you do are too common, Like we all know about AHH Holmes, we all know, like you find more obscure stories, and then other people want to hear our take on big serial killers.

So you kind of have to figure out we shouldn't be doing what we want, do whatever we want.

I guess the reason that I'd even asked the question is we're doing some no bonus episodes with Patreon, and part of the bonus is we're going to do some true crime stuff and kind and mix it in.

But as you know, I'm finding it, that's not my area of expertise.

So I'm like, Okay, is this story good?

Is this going to be too long?

And I'm having to read the whole thing because I don't want to do the same thing that everybody's already done, and like you said, there's a bunch of them out there.

But yeah, I've struggled with you know, I can come up with the paranormal stories a whole lot easier than I can the true.

Crime so right, right, right, And I think that's why we work so well too, is that it just was automatically, you know, her doing paranormal and I was doing crime, and there was not a question because it just fit our personalities better.

And I mean there were things like I don't think you have experience in killing people, but I had experience in I was a paranormal investigator throughout college, So I just immediately had that.

Interest and great.

It just it were literally as soon as we decided that we were going to be friends and we started hanging out together, that was just the first thing we ever started talking about.

So we actually recently realized we don't know the basics about each other, as you will.

We just know like our most like depraved favorite stories.

Oh yeah, it's just very it's a weird friendship to start backwards.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're kind of discovering each other, where our favorite colors are, what our middle names are.

We didn't really know any of the basics when we started, but I can tell you her favorite mass murderers.

I guess, sure, exactly, So it's kind of an interesting start.

Yeah, that's awesome.

I heard something on the show today for those for those who haven't heard it, you told a Jim Jones joke.

Tell that joke again, because I thought it was really funny.

Someone just came to me, I'm just going to go to the door.

So the joke was, it was, why don't people tell jokes about the Reverend Jim Jones more often?

Because the punchline is too long?

That is amazing, like.

A huge nerd for puns.

So that's and it's it's twisted, but it's kind of you know, it's not too dark, I guess.

So I thought that was really fun.

I think them and her friend looked at me like, okay, but I thoroughly enjoyed that joke.

I was sitting in the car listening.

I was.

I was at Walmart ready to rent and sad, and you were getting ready to tell it.

I'm like, okay, I got to hear this, and I just sit there and laughed by myself.

It was sad because I laughed the loudest out of everyone, and it was the joke I was telling.

So I don't know what that's about me, but but yeah.

So I don't know.

We try to we try to include, you know, people write in and we try to include as much as we can.

But I thought that one was a pretty pretty solid little nugget.

So is M back with us?

I am back, Sorry.

I'll tell us a little bit about the I know you've got some investigating in your background.

Tell us a little bit about that and your experiences you've had there.

So I had had a lot of experiences ahead of time.

So usually I guess in that field, it's usually actually a bunch of skeptics who are very scientifically driven and think very logically, and their whole job is not to actually find spirits, but to debunk whatever the creeks and bumps in your house are.

And so I came on board, and I was the black sheep, and every time there was like a gust of wind, I was like, it's a ghost.

And they didn't really like me too much in the beginning.

I definitely looked like our rookie.

And I did that all through college, where if we had we first we started out doing tours and then we ended up doing paranormal tours in the Colonial Virginia area, so Williamsburg, Yorktown, Jamestown, and we ended up bringing equipment with us where we started being able to use all sorts of like milimeters and K two's and thermal imagers, and we would try to debunk whatever was going on in the house.

But there was just some stuff that you can't like, there's just some things you can't deny.

And even the.

People I was with who had PhDs and astrophysics and were like totally like not believers, even.

They can't explain some of the stuff that we saw.

It's just a lot of doors slamming in your face or people getting touched, or we had there was a lot of times where we got a lot of reads from different sorts of meters that definitely suggested something was there when there shouldn't have been anything.

We actually had mediums on go on tours and personal investigations with us, and they got some pretty interesting information.

My favorite thing, I think, if I had to pick a story, it's more of an experience I had where I had to teach a ghost what the Internet is, which.

Which I think a ghost.

Like, how do you how do you teach anyone what the Internet is?

Who was around in the sixteen hundreds, Like there's no frame of reference whatsoever.

Now.

So basically we were on a that's GEO in the background.

He's really excited about the Internet.

So we we were on a tobacco plantation and we were trying to get the spirit of the main tobacco farmer to talk to us, and so we decided to open up Google and like put a bunch of pictures of random items like a chair or like a tree, and we were like, if you see anything, then make all the sensors in the room light up.

And so we went through some baseline images and then we got to a tobacco pipe and the table moved could just like something like it was like so strong that not even the meters.

The meters went off, but then like the tables entirely shifted on its own, and we weren't even near the table.

He was like, my big, that's fine.

I've been looking all over for that damn thing.

Maybe it was having a nicotine fit.

Yeah, And then we realized that there was also a room in a building with children who were I think actually scared of the phones, because we eventually started getting we were doing yes and no readings with them, and we were saying, are you you know how come you don't come out every now and then?

And we realized that we were getting less hits on our meters When we were texting each other between different houses, getting each other updates, We're like, are you afraid of these machines that we have with us?

And all the readers started saying yes, oh my god.

So I had to describe phones to them so they wouldn't be scared anymore, and it ended up working.

We started getting a lot more feedback.

That's very weird.

Weird.

Yeah, so that's a little that's a little winded of a story, but it's it's worth mentioning.

I'll probably cut very little of it out, but that was a good story.

That is Oh my gosh, I wish I was there so cool.

It's very interesting.

I think I'm the only person on earth who's had to explain a phone to a ghost.

So I'm sure that, yeah, the only person soever.

Do you still do any investigating all?

Or you hung that up?

Listen.

I'm trying to talk her into taking me.

Christine has done anything and everything to try to get me to take her on a tour.

But my only issue is I don't know anywhere out here.

If we were in Virginia, I could take her to twenty places today and she would get her fixed.

But I don't know anyone out here who would be willing to let us do a proper investigation.

It would be more wandering around in a yard, which I think I could go to jail for.

So we're working on it.

But she's a rookie.

You could get by with it and just make stuff up.

She wouldn't know any different.

Probably, Oh yeah, I could.

Be like, oh this is agotiraight behind you, Christine, that is really true.

You could just like flash a light at me and I'd probably believe you.

I mean, this is the same person that you know had to know fall asleep during a scary movie so she wouldn't have to watch it.

She didn't even last three minutes.

She was out cold, and I was like, this is bullshit.

I saw.

At least I pretended.

I pretended.

I yelled every now and then to pretend like I was scared, but I was really really sleeping.

Matter.

I got a brother with it, though, That's all that matters.

I can totally see you doing that seriously.

I can, oh yeah, just see it.

It's so funny.

I saw the.

Opening scene and I went, nope, goodbye.

And said she would wake up and just start making comments with the lighting and stuff like saw it.

She was seriously, and we were we were sharing like the same futon that night, so like I'm right next to her and I can see her asleep, and every now and then we'd be watching in a very non important scene, she'd be like, wow, that's crazy.

I'm like, I thought I was really convincing.

She woke the next day, still not telling she fell asleep.

She thought she got away with it, and we were like, no, you fell asleep.

I've got to ask this question.

Okay, when you tell a story, do you judge how good the story is?

About?

How many gas?

Do you get to Christie?

Our fans do more.

I usually, So what I try to do when I do my research is I'll do all the history and then the last section will be all of the paranormal evidence that there is, and I try to rank it from least scary to scariest.

That way I can.

I try to gauge what the loudest gas will be for the end, and sometimes it's the little things that break her out.

So I just it's honestly a toss up at this point.

But no matter what, I can always guarantee there's gonna be some sort of vocal expression.

I like to surprise you, you know.

Yeah, I think I think on y'all's website you should have a gas meter.

That way every show you can judge.

You can just have somebody to keep up with how many gas or in each show.

Oh, we had.

People tell us that they would pay like a twenty dollars Patreon fee if we gave a gasp, text tone, ring tone ring.

Oh my gosh, that is great.

I noticed I.

Did that, and then somebody started commenting and everyone said, yeah, yeah, you definitely do that.

Oh yeah, we look forward to your guest.

Oh well, I tried for like two episodes to like tone it down and yeah.

I also I for some reason, people are much more shy about this, but I get personal messages not instead of tweets about my laugh.

A lot of people will mention that I have like the weirdest, like you never know what kind of laugh is going to come out of me.

I have like ten different.

Laughs to mix bag, and so people will write to me and be like, I love your laugh, and I'm like, why don't you tweet it?

Why is Christine get all the attention?

I understand.

I guess that that is going to be the question, because it's went back and forth, which one of you really is the hot one?

With me?

I think it's it's Geos.

It's been Goo all along, you.

Know, I I think I think Okay, I think on the I think I'm like the obviously hot one.

But here's the thing, I think Christiane's the back behind the stage hot one, okay, because she does everything for this show, Like when I talk about it on the show that I just show.

Up to record.

I'm not entirely lying like she does it all, like she doesn't give herself enough credit.

But I think like, if it weren't for her, we weren't have a show.

So I think you could.

You should be the hot one.

I just think I take the credit.

Oh okay, well that makes a lot of sense.

That's a little familiar, don to baby.

Yes it does because.

I didn't have a clue what the show is about, like ever, and that's hot work.

Yeah, I just kind of I'm just shiny and dumb and show up.

But Christine wears the pants, and that's that's what it leads to.

Guys.

I'm not gonna take up much more of your time.

I know y'all got busy lives.

You got a lot of things going on right now, and I want to say congrats to the show taken off like it has.

I couldn't be more proud of you, you ladies.

I'm happy for you.

Thank you guys so much.

You were there in the beginning and really helped us here.

You're the first people to ever give us advice, so we definitely attribute are doing so well because of you guys.

Yes, you've definitely been looking out for us.

That's nice, but I can guarantee you you've earned everything you got on your own.

With or without us, you would have got where you're at.

So we appreciate you're saying that, but you got to take the credit where the credit is due, and it belongs on your shoulders.

Well, thank you so much, and we are so excited about your Guys podcast taking off now too, with Jim Harold coming up.

Officially, the greatest thing to ever happened on Jim Harold was You're telling a story.

We were so excited.

It was like world's colliding.

It was the greatest.

It was really cool.

It was Yeah, it was something I was excited about too, because you know, basically a year ago, these were shows that we were listening to, or I was listening to, and I was like, man, these guys are awesome.

And then I've been able to interview after I get through a gym, I've been able to interview almost everybody that I listened to.

Go at all.

I mean, I remember a year ago, I was listening to Jim Harold and I was like, I would give anything up in his show.

And then I was on his show and I was like, okay, well I can die now.

And then I thought us on Twitter and I was like, well that's done.

We're done with the podcast.

That's all I want out of any of this.

I'm happy.

And it's funny because this is actually intertwines.

The only reason that I was on the show is because you were on the show.

Oh I had.

We have a mutual listener by the name of Jackie Getz, and she sent me a message and she said, I'm listening to M on Jim Harold's Campfire.

So I immediately said, well, I'm going to I said, I said, well I'm going to get I said, I'm going to have an interview book with him by the end of the day.

And by and by the end of the day, I had it set up to be on his show and had an interview set up.

Much that's the whole podcast world.

I feel like everyone ends up helping you out.

That's awesome.

Well no, well then I'm honored, so thank you.

Yeah.

I mean, I really hadn't even thought that it was even going to be an option because I didn't know that I listened but not enough to have heard any other podcasters on there.

So when I when I found out you were on there and had a chance to plug your show and everything, I thought, man, that that you couldn't ask for a better opportunity.

So, yeah, it was.

It was.

I called Christine right literally right away.

I was losing my mind.

I was so excited.

She was like, I blacked out everything I said, So I don't really know.

I was like, when you hear it, I'll also be hearing it for the first time.

I mean, he didn't name the show after you were eric two days after it recorded, but you know, I'm sure you were excited.

No, I guess everywhere.

Okay, you have it, you can have it.

I'm it's only my fault that you were even on the show.

That's right, that's right.

I still look and right here in front of right here, in front of everybody, I gave you full credit.

So tell us, guys, we know, tell everybody listening who I can't imagine haven't listened already, Tell him how to get a hold of you guys us, how to listen, websites, anything you've got for sale.

Let's get the ball rolling and help the show.

Uh, grow even more.

Yeah, we'd love to get some new people on board.

Our website is and that's why we drink dot com and that'll link you to pretty much everything.

But our social media handle is at w w D Podcasts.

We're on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, if you want to email us, we do listener episodes every month, So if you have a story, either paranormal or crime, you can email us.

And that's why we drink at gmail dot com and we're on iTunes, Stitcher, all the good stuff.

Probably where you guys are where they find you, guys.

That's the dumpster behind Walmart.

Exactly.

That's actually the exact same one.

Yeah, I mean, good can goods Oath just did it for Pete's sake.

I know, I know, you just gotta gotta be a little savvy and crack it on over, crack.

Into it if we wish you continued success and everything you do.

And we couldn't be happier to see the success.

And we're super happy that you guys came on the show.

I haven't been this excited about a guest since we started the thing, So me you.

Actually you're you're our first.

We're guesting for you on the first time.

This is our first guest appearance on another podcast, so we're honored.

That it's it's it's a full circle.

You were the first people to give us advice, you're the first people to guest us.

Maybe you're actually the only ones who listen.

Maybe, Well, I think what it is, you know how it is when you're the hot girls that guys are just afraid to kind of approach.

And that's probably what it's been with other podcasts.

Really intimidating.

Yeah, especially to the boys.

They're my favorite.

So those milkshakes make them come to the yard, you know exactly.

It's really scary.

It's very scary for me.

I throw them back.

Guys, We love you.

Looking forward to many, many more episodes and like I said, hopefully this takes off or even something bigger and better for you guys.

Yes, absolutely, you guys so much.

We are so excited to see where you guys are headed to.

Oh thank you

See you guys later.