We're actually pretty excited about today.

This is exciting.

We've been waiting for this.

We have been waiting for this.

We can't wait.

Yes, everybody, the Dynamic Duo is here.

We're very excited.

So we're just gonna jump right right into it because we have so many questions.

Can you please help us welcome True Disney Royalty.

Yes, Ali and a J so excited.

Awesome, so early in the morning, looking amazing, and you're together, and you.

Together, and we're together.

We're about to start ban rehearsal today, so we're in the same space, We're in the same zone.

Is the first time.

In a while you're like really like working with the band on the specific set or no.

We lose like a dust up.

Yeah, it's not of a brush up on the upcoming tour because we we we ended up working at the top of the year on this set, like in February, and we really got it honed in for these like one offs and festival gigs we were doing throughout the summer.

So this is more just like three days in a row of really getting it like finalized before we hit the tour.

So we've been working with them a lot on these songs for the past year.

Oh, that's amazing.

Wait, so we've never met will We definitely know Sabrina because of the cheaterh Girls tour, which is crazy.

I know, it's Oh.

No, I can't wait to get into all this because I'm hoping that there's behind the scenes stuff that Sabrina is refusing to share with me, that you're actually going to be able to tell us what's going on.

We can't wait.

So tracking my brain on certain things that I'm.

Like, you know what, I never asked them that I've got to ask them things like that.

That's frue.

But we have just looked over at each other and literally Ali goes, I don't even remember that tour.

And also, yeah, like we're not going to have I'm not going to have as much.

Well, first, you guys were very little doing the tour.

I mean, ag, I think you were fifteen?

Were you fourteen?

Yeah?

Jeez, yeah, I think I was fifteen.

Well, wait, wait before we get into that, we've got to start at the beginning.

We got to start at the beginning beginning of everything.

Okay, I know that you guys have been singing and doing your guys' gig for long before the actual tour that we met on.

But where did you guys.

Find your start to actually create your music?

Like when did that actually start happening?

How old were you and what got you guys to like not just pick up your instruments and start singing, but like really create, like the phenomenon of like the band that you guys had.

I mean, gosh, we made a bunch of demos.

At a young age, and I don't know even how we found those people, Like that feels so long ago.

But we ate a lot of demos with some producers that we co wrote some music with, and I think some music that like they had written that we hadn't even written yet.

Like that was like pre us starting to write music.

And then really what happened I think was like us just entertaining like family members, neighbors, like at our house when we were quite young, and just loving like I don't know, just loving what that brought us.

I think we were just kids that were just always just on, you know, whether it was like an acting thing or a music thing.

I used to put out like a tip jar a tip to just put dolls in it.

We should have we should have been like play guys, you can give to the fund.

We we then picked up an instrument, like we started playing the guitar at eleven and.

Thirty and that's when the songment thing started.

So I was never like, it wasn't like, oh, this is we're going to be a band, it's going to be a professional thing.

We weren't even thinking that.

We just started thinking yeah, started writing in our bedrooms and then ended up writing a bunch of songs that went on that first album Wow.

So and then like the I guess the start of it all was that on Fill the Future, there was a scene where my character needed to sing and I was like, I have a song.

That I've written that would actually be really perfect for the scene.

And I told the producers of the show and the creators of the show, and they were like, you know, send it to us.

And it was like some like rough demo that was agent I sing and they were like, well, let's record it with just you singing it and we'll put it in the show.

And then that kind of started everything.

Then I think Hollywood Records like got wind of it and we're like, you know, maybe we have a meeting with you and you come in and I was like, well, it's not just me, it's my sister too, and then that's how it all started.

Okay, so that I didn't know that you were on the channel before you, guys, that's my question.

So did you when you started did you want to be actors originally or did you want to be musicians or was it just kind of we want to entertain and we don't know where that's going to take us.

I mean, I think we wanted both.

We we found a flyer on our mom's desk that was basically promoting like an acting workshop and we were living in Seattle at the time.

It was called Northwest Studios and we were like what is this and our mom was like, I don't know.

This is part of my junk mail pile.

And we were like, no, no, this looks really important.

And it was literally just like sign up to learn how to act.

Agents and managers will come.

I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but we delved.

Her and legit like legit wasn't like one of those sketchy right jenre Our powers things, No, it was it was legit.

And so so I guess in a way, because of that workshop, the acting kind of hit earlier.

First, but the goal was I.

Mean again, not professional in either space, just wanting to do both, like let's do music, let's write songs.

Had no idea what it would become because we were so young, it wasn't even a thought.

Yeah.

I think if we were.

Like eighteen, we would be more like, oh, this is like something that I want to do as a job.

But I guess you know, us being as vocal about it to our parents made them realize, oh, they really love this, like let's keep supporting them in that.

And then like agents got involved and were interested in signing and that whole thing.

So you're in Seattle, So then how are you auditioning in Los Angeles?

Are you flying back and forth?

How does it work to actually now you're in the business.

You look at the flyer, it's not like, hey, I'll give you a job for a thousand dollars, one of those kind of things we're all used to seeing when we were kids.

And so you.

Start, you get some representation.

Are you then moving to Los Angeles?

Are you going back and forth?

How is it logistically working?

So we lived in Seattle.

We were born in LA but we lived in Seattle for seven years.

During that time, Yes, we found the Flyer.

We went to Northwest Studios.

We got scouted by an agent.

I think about a year later.

We ended up moving back to LA where we were born because of our dad's business.

So really that was kind of the catalyst for getting back to Los Angeles.

My mom had lost both her parents who were living in Washington, so once we weren't near grandparents, it kind of didn't feel necessary to stay there.

Moved back to LA told our mom and dad.

Hey, those two agents lists, those two agents that scouted us are definitely based here.

It was Judy Savage and Bonnielikey.

At the time, Savage represented everybody, Yeah.

Everyone, she knew, she knew man, she wrapped everyone.

That's amazing woman.

And that's how it all started.

And then Ali, I mean she was kind of the first to book something in the Disney Channel space, which then led to us getting signed to Hollywood Lundards.

So we really future event.

Yeah for sure, that's I mean, how awesome is it that though?

In the Disney Channel.

That's one of the best things.

And I think when you're kind of going up like you know that about the channel, So booking something on the channel you really feel like opens the door because they book kids, and then if they find out you can do something.

Else, they're like, let's add it in.

Like they love that multi like facet actors that they find.

They love finding those other talents that they can highlight on their shows or put them in another movie or show to do.

So, did you guys have any at that point?

Was who was your guys' like this is it like once you started realizing you're really good, you can you guys are.

Gonna go somewhere.

Who was that like that pedestal of like, oh my gosh, this is the kind of artist or the kind of like thing that we're looking to like strive for at that time.

I don't know if we had like, uh, a prototype of someone that we were like rech for, but I know, of course, just because of them being sisters, like people you know, referenced Mary Kate Nashley a lot to us when we were younger, who of course we thought were really cool and we had watched their movies and we you know, we we thought I mean, I think they were older than us two by a few years, so that he felt larger.

But I think for us we were like we were kind of our own thing at the Channel because they didn't have two siblings, and they didn't have uh yeah, like they didn't have anyone on the Channel that was like writing their own music like we were.

Outside of Jesse McCartney.

He was kind of the only ever one that was like a singer songwriter.

So we felt very much our own thing, which I think also felt special knowing like, Okay, we fit like in this in this space in our own way, right.

He stood out for sure.

Yeah, and so that I think that felt nice.

I mean I was telling Will on that Christmas tour, I think back at it and the show that we had.

I mean, we had the.

Jonas brothers riding around behind us in their twelve passenger white van that they are, And I said, I watched their documentary and they talked.

About it and I was like, I remember that one.

That's what they were in.

And then and then you guys, I'm like, the show itself was just so packed with so much good energy music.

Like to think that that was Disney's very first tour of any kind while they booked it like so great that first round.

I mean, to be honest, to think about the sets and everything.

We didn't have the budget in any show on the shows, like I'm sure, like I mean, I would be embarrassing to compare it to what's out right now with you know, the the Zombies and descendants, like I mean that like no, not at all that way, but the musage.

And they were really trying out like how do we do this and make us like something that is a part of our business?

Right, And then they were born that it was Christmas because I think we all you probably don't remember it that much because it was like seventeen dates it.

Was like Christmas.

It was not.

It was just.

Within the month of like the very end of November into December, and that was it.

Yeah, And they were like, oh, we maybe we should have done this not as like a seasonal thing, because there was we've sold out everywhere we went, including you know the Dallas the Dallas venue that we did, which was our biggest one, I think of the tour, and they they were selling out in minutes.

They were selling out so fast that they were like, whoops, we.

Should have should have done more.

We should have done but we should have kept going for a minute and just fixed the set and fixed the stuff that we did because you guys had so much good music that was not just like Christmas stuff, you know what I mean.

It was a quick, easy yeah.

Yeah, yeahsment put out our own Christmas record.

No, it was obviously that was prior to that.

At this point, it was just into the rush.

Was Yeah.

I think I think you guys did a few Christmas songs, but that was something that you did just because we were on like.

A Christmas show exactly.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just it's wild to think that first concert that they ended up having three acts that really went on and did a lot for the Channel and for Disney and Hollywood Records and everything that for them to do that at the very first round, I'm like, this is just Disney.

They just kind of absolutely know and it's just under now.

Yeah.

Yeah, before this, before the concert started, before all that kind of stuff, you were you Disney Channel fans, I mean, had you were you watching the channel and what was kind of some of your favorite stuff.

So when then you got an audition hearing about this new show Fill of the Future and the possibility of being on the Disney Channel, was this like a major thing.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, huge.

I mean we were like, we watched it twenty for seven.

It was on in our house and we loved Boys World.

We love World, thank you.

I sure Stevens was huge from Steven Stevens was a big one for us, and and Lizzy and Lizzy too, Like those are probably the shows that we watched the most.

I love who.

We all call it the channel, like only people who have been only people who have been on Disney Channel call it that channel.

That's true.

It's true.

It's true.

It's like people that have been in prison just call it inside.

It's the same.

Not trying to compare the two, you know what you mean?

If you were always we were always Disney.

We were always Disney kids, like we we you.

Know, it was funny because wessn't really we didn't.

Yeah, there was really only a couple of things did we get into.

We really liked All That as a show, which obviously I'm shocked Disney didn't try to like.

Version because they could have.

Yea, all this Disney presents all this.

Yeah, yeah, it's so okay.

So then, do you remember your audition for phill of the Future.

Do you remember where you had to go?

Were you at were you at the channel building and all that kind of stuff that Burbank building.

Yeah, and yeah, yeah, it's actually a funny story.

So I, you know, I have naturally wavy hair, and I I think when I went in for my screen test, I matched, you know, the hair that I had done for you know, whatever my initial audition was, which was just like my natural wave.

And I had like a flower clip in my like a big like flower clip in my hair.

And before I went in, I forget if it was like one of the producers or the creator, someone was like, can you straighten your hair?

Brush your hair out?

I was like, brush my hair out.

I was like, my hair is wavy, like I mean unless I like wash my hair, and and and like the woman gave me like like straightening like.

Palmonate to like put in it, and it kind of made it like kind of greasy, but still, and like I brushed it out, and I was just like, I mean, this is the best I can do.

I still booked it.

But yeah, it's a very random.

Oh my god, I could not imagine.

So you walk out, obviously probably your mom was with you for the audition, and you're like, they want me to put this as a mom now, you're going.

Right, sure, She's like, how do I help my kid?

Okay, like all right, here we go.

And then she's walking and going, oh my god, this is not like what if she had known, she would have had you prepped, straightened, roan all that, but like, really, now I'm gonna put some greasy, nasty palmade in her hair.

I don't like it exactly, but.

You're doing great, baby, I love you so great.

She looked like a wet rat Jo Paul Johnson.

Yeah, I think, of course, of course, of course.

So we went to the one of her like workshops, which I think she put on, you know, quarterly or whatever, and saw me in the workshop and was like, I think she's really right for this role.

That that's I think really how it came about.

Yeah, that's amazing.

So now, aj you started, did you start before that with Pat with Passions and everything else, before Phil in the Future and all that stuff she.

Booked way before me.

It was, Yeah, it was Passions.

It was just like a very small guest spot.

And then and then there were like a couple of things that followed, like Birds of Prey, which never continued but was actually a really cool show on Fox and then I went on to do I was doing this like really sad, heavy drama when Ali was on Fill in the Future called The.

Guardian okay for two years.

Yes, I was the only kid.

It was just all adults.

It was like a legal drama about a father son who owned the firm together, and I played the daughter.

And it was a really intense show, like I think, too intense for the age I was.

But I never read the scripts.

My mom just would black stuff out.

Oh I love that, that's awesome.

Yeah, god, bus just learn your line, don't We don't need to know that there's people just doing lots of bad stuff around you.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean it's good to have context as an actor.

So it's you know, I was missing a lot of information, but that's okay, it's fine.

It's good to be protected from that stuff.

But yeah, so I was on I was doing quite a bit of major network and then Nally and I after Filled the Future and we booked cow Wells together and that's kind of that was my That was the only thing I really did on the channel that was like.

A yeah, that's an outside of the pilot that we shot, but that's yeah, that's it.

Actually because it's thinks that we had a TV show together.

I'm like, we never had a show, like, no, not a thing.

But I would think it's because I do remember you guys being like, you know, like the innerstitials that they had, Like I feel like you guys had quite a bit of like like like almost like mini music videos.

I kind of want to say that would play a lot on the channel.

So that's probably like a big, a big reason because you you both were so involved.

It seemed like it definitely Yeah, yeah, like.

Ali and a J were definitely involved within the channel a lot because you guys were doing outside stuff just I guess, just not an actual show together.

Yeah, No, You're absolutely right.

We were on it like all the time, and our music videos played like on every commercial and.

And then you know it was like us opening some ride of Disney or some like little interview in between like a commercial band.

Did you guys do any of the Disney Mania albums?

We did?

We did a couple, I think the one like the.

Ones where you you redid like a song from a like a cover from one of the cartoon movies.

Which song did you do?

Because I'm it's there, but it's not.

I'm trying to I can't remember what.

The cover was.

The only Disney compilations we were in it was our own music.

Well, I know we did like a Dream is a Wisher Heart Max with like a bunch of oh well from other shows and that that was at one point.

Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, everything our producers of Disney fanatics who know everything, so thank you.

That's We also just recently talked about her and I actually we were together.

Like one of her favorites was Your Guys' cover of Walking on Sunshine.

Oh yeah, and we did that.

You got her be fully loaded.

I think that was the reason why we did the cover, right, yeah, Walking on Sunshine was in that movie.

And then we did Do You Believe In Magic, which was in the movie Ali did about magicians.

Yeah, we want to get to that, but we got to talk cow Bells first.

We can't just blow past cow Okay, let's talk this is uh, you know, we we obviously reviewed Cowbells.

And was this the first time you had worked together on a project.

Yeaeah yeah, oh like actually ever not just for the channel, but like ever, like you got to do a job together.

Yeah, outside of mind in class, you know.

And you didn't have to audition for this, did you.

No.

No, we had a really close friend that was working on Phil in the Future, who I mean, he's been now a friend ever since.

We adore him, who developed the movie for us and basically wrote the outline and then stud Kreeger.

Kreeger ended up taking over the script, but it was always Allie and I, Like, we didn't audition of a set up story, like, hey, it's going to be two roles that work on a dairy farm, you know, who are struggling with the ins and outs of taking over there this business, trying to save it.

Yeah, and struggle.

Of definitely brought the best energy of like like the I love Lucy and uh you know like that yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every while I was watching it, I kept seeing like in my head the candy uh yes, chocolate so so much that it was so fun to watch that bar I love.

That's cool you mentioned that because that that was kind of Matt's thing, was like, I want this to be like Lucy and Ethel, but like on a dairy farm and sixteen.

Yeah, well your first your first time together on a set.

I mean you've obviously been together in the set, but the first time working together on the set.

What is it like working with your sibling doing a film?

You know, is are you just two actors working together?

Is it still kind of the sibling rivalry?

How does that work?

I mean, we we had already been doing so much together just in terms of music, it was it didn't feel like a weird thing for us.

I mean, we we work really well together.

We always have.

So we ended up just like going to Toronto shooting this movie feeling so cool because we.

Were like, we're in our own apartment.

We're like, we're having fun, We're making this film together.

We feel like adults.

Like it was a big turning point in our career as kids to be like, we're making our own movie right now.

Yeah.

I knew it was a big deal and we ended up having a really fun.

And I want to say we were gone for like maybe a little over a month I think shooting it.

Yeah, and obviously we had parental Yeah, yeah, we see.

We were still yeahs I was like sixteen and a half, but we fell as a teen.

Very independent, like we were on top of the world.

That's amazing and is now you also mentioned just briefly that you did do a pilot, So they did they try to get the Alli and AJ show.

Yeah, it was.

It was called Haversham Hall.

It was it was about two sisters who don't know their sisters and have never actually met.

They're going to the same boarding school and it's a boarding school for like Wizards, so it was a little bit about that.

Yeah, I mean it was before Wizards of Waverley Place, so it's kind of funny.

It was like it was like it was going to be their magic show, and you know it was.

It was actually really funny, it was really interesting.

We had a really fun time doing the pilot, but it just didn't It didn't go and then Wizards ended the point and we were like, oh, okay, wasn't the same same writer, I believe, So yeah, yeah, bring it or I guess the Wizards.

Yeah, where did that pilot land between like where you guys were with cow Bells?

Was it after cow Bells?

Was it before?

I'm pretty sure was after cow Bells?

Was after?

Yeah?

And to be honest, I mean because it is kind of surprising looking back at it, especially because we've seen it.

I mean not it's been years, but it was really good.

It was very expensive, like, it just was not it was not sustainable.

For and it wasn't.

It wasn't it wasn't a sitcom.

It wasn't a sitcom, which at that point that was a reason why Phil kind of got off the air, was because it was an expensive show that wasn't a you know, studio audience kind of set up, which was a lot cheaper for them to create.

So but we were really adamant on We didn't want the show to be that.

We really didn't want it to be a sitcom, which obviously didn't help us.

So I think that's a big, a big reason why it didn't get picked up.

But I think they I think they they liked it.

I mean it was We have some a DVD somewhere that I'm sure my mom's hilario.

I'm sure she does.

That's I mean, she's not gonna throw that away now now.

No, No, her two girls could do babies on film together.

Hell no.

So now the whole time you're doing all this stuff, you're still writing music.

I would imagine writing on the set.

Are you sitting in your dressing room and still picking up the guitar and strumming out tunes.

I mean, are you specifically, because again I'm so fascinated by this because I have.

Literally no musical talent whatsoever.

So when I talk to people that do, I always ask this question, which I will throw at you as well, which is where does a song come from?

Are you sitting there specifically trying to write a song?

Is it just coming out of nowhere?

Are you setting aside time to.

Write a song?

Is it just in between other stuff?

How does it work?

It's a mix.

Yeah, it's hard to answer.

It's you know, it's so weird.

It's like writing is something you can't teach, right, So it's also really hard to explain, right, It's like, you know, it's kind of either something you have or you don't.

And I feel like when Ali and I started playing guitar, the chords we were learning brought something up in us where it was like, Okay, now I have these chords, these are my tools, and.

I'm singing a melody over it.

I'm going to start Yeah, I'm going to start writing a melody, and then Ali would jump in with lyrics.

I mean, we are the types that have to kind of sit there and go like we are intentional writing a song right now.

It's rare that I'll be driving down the freeway and I'll get a melody in my ear.

I mean, every now and then I'll hear something and i'll voice note it.

But usually we're really intentional about like, okay, we are making a record, now, let's start writing.

And I think it's just how we were when we were working at that young age.

Obviously we had hiatus, you know, a hiatus in between the shows, and that would be when we would be making the record.

So I know we made the second album.

Potential breakup song was on that Insomniatic, probably around like after cow Bells.

I guess I think right after me because we were like eighteen and eighteen and sixteen or something like that, follow us ever writing music on Cowbells.

Like on the set, I think we were so excited and focused and like whoa, we've never had that.

Our days were quite long, you know, as long as they could be.

Like for me, I think we were so like, oh my gosh, we're in Toronto, we're shooting this movie together.

This is so exciting, never been able to do this before together, that we just it was very much like that's the moment, you know, we want to I don't.

I don't recall making music during that movie.

No, but as soon as we were back, I think that is when we started working on Insomniatic.

Yeah, oh wow, okay.

Was this a goal that you always wanted to sing together?

Was that something that you knew was going to happen?

Yeah, yeah, it was pretty clear.

I mean at a really young age, we started singing and it was always together.

We started learning how to harmonize at a really young age because of our mom.

She's a vocalist.

So I think whether it was like you know, school plays or a church performance or whatever it might be, it was kind of always a package deal.

We didn't really sing not together, so it was always very clear.

It seems like, I mean, your guys' chemistry and the way you guys would interact with each other on or still do interact on stage with each other, it's just such this natural, like you know, knowing what it's like to do it with, you know, girls that I didn't grow up with, we met each other, we started working, and.

We created that energy, We created those things.

To watch you guys, It's like that was never even I mean I'm sure you got coached at some point, but you it just looks different in the sense that like it's that's like your best It's like it's just in it's just like an an innate like energy and everything that you guys work off of each other so well that it's like, I mean so fun and honestly for now, like Will and I talk about it, like going somewhere and doing something without your like people that you're used to like working with all the time is like weird, it is.

Yeah, you're right, You're totally right.

I agree, so true.

It was always really clear that like, yeah, acting would maybe be a separate thing, you know, or together.

It's been both, but like music was, it was very clear we would never really to do solo and I and I actually really i'm glad we didn't because I think it's fun this way.

Yeah, I'm always kind of surprised that solo artists are able to sustain long career is because I think it could get really lonely and just be a lot of pressure to do it all yourself.

You know.

It helps to have someone as a wingman.

Absolutely, especially during the times that are like a little bit down or there's something that maybe falls through and you are really hoping for having like a support system to say like all right, it's cool and like kind of keep you in a good headspace of like the next thing is going to be even a better opportunity or yea, having someone to talk you through that versus you talking to yourself.

It's like, all right, it's cool, I'm fine, it's not a big deal, you know, because.

We all know.

I mean, you guys know, like there's so much rejection and I hate using that word, but it's true.

It's like at a really young age in this industry, it's really it's hard to take.

So it's like when you ask someone else who's.

In it with you, who understands who's going through the same bank, it makes a huge difference.

Yeah, So one of my favorite things to do on this podcast is to put our guests into horribly uncomfortable situations where I ask him Sophie's choice kind of questions.

I love it, so you can only act or sing for the rest of your life?

What do you pick?

I think music saying which which isn't?

I don't think actually that hard of an answer, And I think the reason why is because it's something that we do together, and it's been the thing that has really sustained us.

In times of just kind of you know uncertainty.

I mean even the industry and it's in and of itself has really changed a lot, you know, posts and music.

We've been able to continue to release things and continue to tour, and that's been amazing.

That's something that we're able to like be in charge of.

And I think part of that is because of, you know, having the control of the product as.

Opposed to you need so many people to make a show or a movie, whereas with music it can be a smaller group of people.

You know, you need a producer, you need a mixer, master, you need to make sure that you can release the music on some platform, but you don't need you know, you don't need hundreds of people.

Yeah, and you can do it based around I mean, I know, now both of you guys are starting your family, like you can like have more control of when you are doing that right versus like I mean even just within life now for me with having kids, it's like you either catch me before like nine ten or I will not be reaching back out until like nine or ten when the kids are in bed, and I've got time to sit down and actually text you back or.

Write an email back or whatever.

So your music's great because I mean, gosh, I remember there was sessions I didn't start till ten o'clock at night sometimes because that's the only time it made sense with whatever schedule we had.

And that's the beauty of music because you can do it really kind of anywhere.

It doesn't have to be on set.

Yeah, there's an independent freedom to it.

And I'm not to say that I'm I'm not like proud of the word we've done as actors, but I am.

I have to say I'm even more proud of the work we've done as musicians, Like I'm really the records we've made, what we've put out as it all comes from.

Us, like say, it's just yours, it's yours.

Yeah, it's all fully our fingerprint.

It's cool when you asked and you hop into a role and and you know you're you're you're putting to life this character that was written for you or written without even you and mind, but you got the role.

I mean, that's a huge deal.

But it's it's someone else's creation.

It's just not yah, was there a specific time where you guys remember within your music, like, I know your mom was very involved, and you know she really had did such a great job I think of being a mom of like really protecting you guys, which is so important in this industry.

Did she have a big role in making like the choices, like whether it was like style choices or music choices or anything and that ever.

You know, you were young, obviously you got you need help, right you don't.

You don't wake up one hundred percent always knowing where what those directions should be.

Do you remember when you guys really filled into your own shoes of like the evolution of like when you were really the ones taking on for alian aj like everything, like you really blossomed into being solely the only ones whose decision mattered at all.

I think once we'd left the label, that really kind of shifted to us being the one that made all the choices.

But I think at that age too, we were in our early twenties, so it kind of made sense.

Yeah, we were like out of the house at that point and not needing the heavy guidance of our parents in the ways that we needed when we were you know, a fourteen or sixteen.

But yeah, she definitely was like involved in like styling stuff.

Or like you know, yeah just like like this way or no, no, no, you're not going with your.

Stuff.

She kind of let us do our thing, like we would go and produce and and and make these albums.

Like she wasn't hanging around.

She would like drop us off and we would be making the music and then like she pick us up and we'd be like, this is what we made today.

So there was like definitely independence in that, which I think is good.

Yeah.

Yeah, so she had like a nice mix and.

So yeah, the artab was helpful.

For when it was your guys's turn.

It wasn't that hard to like really just take on the rest of the stuff.

Yeah, totally exactly.

Oh that's awesome.

So before before we get into your the new album a little bit, I want to ask a question.

So you know, obviously our job here is we watch all the d coms and we review them.

Uh.

We came upon a film called Lemonade Mouth.

And as we're watching Lemonade Mouth, I said to my fellow co host and the producers, I said.

They did this movie already and it was better and it was called Slant.

Oh yeah, agree, So I'm curious if you could.

And they're like, wait a second, what, I'm like, yes, this is already a movie that was They did a better version of this called Bandsie Funny.

Yeah, that sounds great.

It's great.

Can you tell talk a little bit about that.

It's one of my favorites.

It's like one of my guilty pleasure movies.

It's a great movie.

The mosic's awesome, It's it's really cool.

So can you talk a little bit about band Slam?

Yeah?

I mean that was a big That was a big deal for me to book because it's my first feature film, you know, outside of the movies that I'd done with the Channel, And yeah, it was just like it was an important It was an important moment because that was when I really started to feel like I was coming into my own you know.

I think I turned I want to say nineteen on that movie, or eighteen.

And we were shooting it in Austin, and I shot a lot of the film by myself, Like my mom wasn't there.

It was just me by myself.

She would come out for like a week at a time and then leave, And I learned a lot of you know, new bands and music that I hadn't been introduced to because of the other cast members.

So I felt very cool.

And we all are like we still follow each other on on socials and stuff and check in every once in a while, or we'll get sent something funny and you know, send it to each other.

But Vanessa and you were closed.

Yeah, Vanessa's it was always really sweet.

When we made that movie.

We knew each other a little bit because of just being in you know, in the same circle, but but we didn't like know know each other.

So that's when we became like girlfriends on that and so we spent a lot of like off days hanging out.

So it was Yeah, it was a really fun Yeah, it's a good movie.

It's fun.

It was.

It was.

It was a very good movie.

That's why again, I'm watching Lemonade Mouth going like, yep, they did this already.

Fish.

I was like, well, we're watching this is the movie.

I guess we're watching Lemonade now version of this film.

When was a Lemonade Mouth made?

I wonder twenty eleven?

Yes, interesting, I believe.

God did I get that right?

Am I right?

Because if I am, then I've been in the Disney Channel World too long at this.

Point, No eleven, I think, yes eleven.

Okay, now I want to know when Vansland was made.

I don't know the top of my head.

Nine.

Yes, see again, there was a better version of this movie already.

Mate, we know we don't have you for much longer, so I have I have two final questions for you.

The first, really quick.

Wait, really quick, before you ask, I'm just curious, because you guys rate these d coms?

What do you where do you rank cow Bells?

I don't even remember.

We liked Cowbells was a good one.

I think we ranked cow Bells above the Magician one because there was parts of the parts.

Of the confusing.

It was confusing and it was like, wait.

At the end the movie, losing these cow Bells is like, okay, I'm following you, I'm understanding, and it's.

No heart.

With the Musician one was the magic wasn't that great?

And in it like that it was like this whole movie we're waiting for these like great magic tricks and they're just hitting.

I don't disagree.

That was there too, where it was.

Honest, so like we're watching Descendants, we just watched the second one, and I'm like, she literally looked like she was in like a pool, like just like.

Two feet away.

Like it was like, how how are we doing these movies and not having these like special effects?

Yeah we need a little help, Yeah we need Also there were times, to be honest, they were cutting to Frank Langella and it just looked like he owed someone money and that's why he was there.

And it was just kind of like it's like, oh, he's phoning it in a little bit.

But of the now you see it.

Now you see this set wherever you were shooting was one of the coolest.

In New Orleans at this like old like manner.

It was beautiful, was rat I mean that like it looked like the safe area like there was like yeah, so yes, it was such a cool set.

I'm like, I don't know if they're on on actual location or if they've made it and this set designer is just incredible.

But it was a mex It was a little bit of a mess.

Okay, I want to know what happens when you guys run out of d coms or I guess there are they still going.

Yeah, we also do Wonderful World of Disney's and Magical World of Disney.

So there's essentially nine thousand movies that we can do.

Oh yeah, we're finding some gems too, where I mean, we'll pop something in and be like, for instance, if you ever bored one word fuzz Bucket, just I'm not even gonna tell you what it is.

Just watch fuzz Bucket exactly.

You're gonna love it in the world.

And we found out later it was like it was literally a pilot that they made for ABC and ended up creating it into a movie, but then like didn't add anything to it.

Like there it was like at the end, you're like.

What just what just happened?

It was one giant acid trip.

It was really great.

I want weird.

I want to hear about your guys' new album.

But when how long has it taken for you guys to like put this one together?

Is it different?

Is are we going to get in like a new sense of it or are we picking up and just going even farther from the last album we had?

From you guys, I think it's a I think it's it's picking up where we left off with with Love from It feels kind of like a natural progression in terms of just where we are sonically and really what the live act feels like, what it feels like with the band up there on stage.

And I think that's the thing that we're most excited about is getting out on the road and touring this music because that's that feels like home to us, and it's the way to connect with our fans, and it just feels so natural to be able to play this music live.

That's really what we tended it to be was an album that could easily live on stage and was kind of just able to seamlessly happen.

But not every record ends up being that way, but this one really feels like, oh yeah, we made an album that just works in a live space.

So well, I agree, And this one's really special because you know, we made it into Panka Canyon with a really incredible producer who has become a good friend, Jonathan Wilson, who were big fans of and you know, we had we had started writing this record kind of deering right after the With Love From tour started gathering a lot of material.

It all came like really fast and really naturally, and it does feel like a continuation of With Love From but it's it's a little bit more, a little bit more.

I would say, high energy.

I mean there's definitely like some moments where you're.

Like, oh wow, like this is this is a rock show, Like especially when it's like put it in your live setting.

And that's my favorite stuff that you guys do, is your rock moments.

I just have always loved them.

Always, it's always always.

Oh that's so sweet.

Yeah, I really love this record.

And it's it's cool because you know, Ali gave birth during this record, so literally having her son, like her water broke during pre production at my house and she went into labor and then came back a week later with him as a newborn to send me like it was like the.

Rest of the vocals.

So it's a crazy it's a crazy story.

It's really special, and you know it cannot nay, but it's getting kind of a second life with this tour and also with this Force on EP that's coming out soon September nineteenth, it'll have a moment to kind of live on even more with these extended tracks.

So I'm really proud of it.

But yeah, it is by far my favorite, truly my favorite record we've ever made.

But at this point we've made like seven so I'm really.

Glad of that.

Gosh.

Well, also, yeah, you recorded in my neck of the woods.

Oh cool, there's a vibe.

Here, and there was such a music vibe.

Yea Panga.

It's really it has a really good energy.

And it was a perfect energy to be bringing a newborn to a studio and it just felt safe.

It felt so safe and comforting and nursing and we were able to like cook and we could go back to the house that we were renting right up the road into Panga and spend the night and then get up the next morning, have a slow day, and then record in the afternoon.

It was perfect.

That's amazing.

What's been the biggest change now that you are a mom?

Like how your time management is just different?

You know, time management is so different.

I mean I was so used to being just and just independent and just I can up and leave and go to a yoga class or grab coffee or whatever whenever I wanted to.

And now it's like, oh no, I got a plan, Like, hey, can I leave you know, can I leave my son for you know X amount of hours with my husband while I go and do this thing And then come back, you know, like just dad and he's like.

Super you know, involved parents.

So it's not like it's it's a chore for him.

To know, but it's just having those conversations and that yeah.

Like I gotta go work out or I gotta or being like aj can you watch him for like an hour while ago and like run this hair and you know, yeah, yeah, wait really quick?

Will will you had?

Because I stepped on you completely with the ranking of cow bells.

But that's two questions.

I was lost in the interview after that.

I was just having so much fun.

But no, I always asked the random questions.

One has it always been Ali and a J?

Or was it ever a J?

And Allie?

It was never a J Allie.

It was just always Allan and just rolled up the tongue.

But that's a great question, always alienamed.

I'm just so curious because alphabetically, but it is what it is.

I totally understand.

And our second My second question is because we always like to ask, and you were Disney Channel fans growing up, what was your favorite d coom?

Yeah, Bank Brank.

He loved to destroyed brink guys.

I guess I didn't get Brink.

We loved Brank and we loved Johnny Tsunami as well.

Yeah, there my two favorites.

Literally, I've said it over and over.

Well, doesn't seem like he down with Brank.

No, he doesn't.

And he got murdered by hands on Instagram for it.

They were like, you don't know what you're talking about.

He's like, I'm watching this for the first time.

Is like a forty eight year old man like, this shouldn't do it for me.

Ye's fair, I get it.

It's it's very much.

It's a movie for girls, that's fair.

But we loved that movie and Motocross.

Motocross was great.

In that demo, and he Brink is his absolute favorite one and he never really rollerbladed, but like he it felt more skater to him in a sense, and he loves like so yeah, but I mean walking watching it back again, I saw no flaws.

Of course.

Will Will's like I got a lot of notes.

Well, it's very interesting to watch these things with zero nostalgia attached.

Yes, so, because I didn't grow up watching them when watching him as movies and I'm going like, hey, he's wearing different clothes in this scene than he just was is no one gonna mention this, and it's like like, okay, yeah.

Well it's It's also the same thing like watching high school musical.

Now, I was doing stuff on the channel I wasn't necessary, so I knew Zach and Vanessa and like loved everyone on the cast, Corbin, and we're working and doing like like those interstitial things that I was telling you before, seeing each other at other premieres and things like that.

But like, I'd never watched the second movie.

I'd watched the first one because I think we went to the premiere or something like that, but I never watched the second one.

So the second one, I don't know if you guys remember, but when when Zach's character goes over to the pond and looks at his reflection and has this whole dance out on the golf course, I am horrified for Zach because I'm like, that couldn't have not been that could not have been comfortable that, you know what I'm would oh my god.

But like we say it on the tunel and then the fans are like that was my favorite part.

We're like, well, yeah, you are like like fourteen watching it, thinking he looks so hot and looking.

Exactly, but you watched it as an adult and you're like, that's an uncomfortable moment.

Yeah, oh yeah, so cringey.

But I saw I never saw the second one, but I need to a moment you're talking about, because it's always I've seen it online, You've seen it online.

Yeah.

Well, if you want to see a joyous progression of where Disney Channel has gone, you watch something like Brink, which probably had a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget maybe, oh yeah, and the last Zombies movie was forty million, so it's yeah, it was had a four million difference, yeah, for a Disney Channel movie.

Yeah, it's the same.

Thing is if you think about the tour that we went on together, the first tour, right, yeah, and the budget they gave us for that.

I don't know if you guys remember, but our entire set broke driving from LA to our.

First place in Texas broke.

Why bro not used had to be remade in Texas because the budget that they put into this set, so.

It's like cardboard.

I couldn't even make it a couple of states.

That's funny.

That is.

Think of like then you see the videos of like I said, the Descendant Zombies tour that's out now.

Like millions was sunk under us.

Just like you're like, wow, we couldn't even get our set to move a couple of states.

That's home.

I did not have that.

So it's pretty funny.

I mean, Disney has just grown.

I mean it was huge.

We got to really be a part of the channel when they were in like an epic era.

Yeah, it was a specific era, even without the forty million dollar budgets.

It was an amazing era and time to be a part of the Disney Channel.

And you know, it's still just exploding now with Zombies and Descendants and gosh, everything that they're doing.

They're doing so many of the reboots and things like that, bringing that back.

But Cowbells too.

First of all, we have to know we have them, but we have to get two more minutes leaving down because we heard that there was talk, and we did.

We talked Stu Stu Stu.

Yeah.

Craigor was the writer of your Guys movie, right.

And I think when we talked with him about cowbos he mentioned that there was a sequel that was at least somewhat in talks or the works of.

Some sort right interested.

I don't think we knew.

Yeah, like it was gonna happen, but it was either your guys' scheduling, it was that you.

The biggest thing was you guys were busy at the time or something interesting.

Well, we need to read remember nobody wild, that's wild, and we're ready.

To make it.

I mean anniversary.

We should do it now, a sequel, do it.

I don't know that the story is, but it's it's we'll find it.

We'll find it.

Yeah, let's call and let's make Oh.

Yeah, we made well.

Stu's the man.

He's written like there's if there's eight hundred d coms, he's written like seven hundred and fifty six of them.

Yeah, he's crazy.

He's unbelievable.

We've gotten a chance to talk to him twice and he's just so great.

So I can't imagine what it was like working with him, like throughout.

Your guys process of cow bells.

Yeah, it's it's a special Yes, such a nice dude.

Yeah yeah, are you coming near the LA area?

Yeah?

Oh yeah.

They play some songs from from Into the Rush, like just given us a twenty year reunion we had.

And were playing the album, So, oh my gosh, that's got to be so fun.

Does the energy just take a little bit of turn when you guys go into that first.

I think everybody's kind of goes back to like there their child's child.

Child, so they're like, there's is this how the audience goes like, they're like swayin they love it, they love it, And.

Then you do that and they're like like they can't.

They become like a little bit more like on a different, like higher level of like little kids.

Yeah, especially when it's like potential breakup song and rash.

But honestly, the new music is now getting that same reaction, which is kind of wild.

It's it's people come and prepared.

They yeah, like even more than I think we ever thought.

Like people have really connected with this new music, even though of course they're going to be nostalgic for the past stuff.

But there's also been a lot of fans that didn't know some of the past stuff and they only found it through the new music.

So that's cool too.

That's yeah, different, Thank you, Thank you jo amazing by the way.

At all.

Yeah, where you based?

I'm in Orange County?

Oh you are okay, You're still and look.

It's also Sabrina's birthday to day, it is my birthday birthday.

What are you doing you Well, I'm just gonna be cleaning up the house.

My husband was wonderful and made breakfast, but of course because we had this, I couldn't take the kids to the school, so he did.

But he I'm literally gonna get up and go clean up all the mess that he made while he made breakfast.

Nice.

I love you, baby, but thank you for cleaning a cleaning job.

No, and then I'll just be picking up.

We're gonna go.

Uh, he's got a special dinner plan tonight that we're gonna get to go out and have a little date night.

That's true.

But my daughter's birthdays in August, his birthdays next week, and our anniversaries in like the beginning of October.

So at this point, like for my birthday, I'm like, I just want to like chill.

I don't need to do too much.

I've just the amount of planning I have to do all the time.

It's good to just like have a weekend to just not have anything to do.

So that's what I'm looking for.

Well, I hope you get spoiled, happy, birthday.

Thank you.

I know again, like, well, I know this is our first time meeting, but Sabrina, you were just always so sweet, You're so kind.

Yeah, true, you know, we're a part of each other's child.

It's crazy, absolutely absolutely, I know.

I'm like I I hope that we get a chance to like meet up and like really chat one day and get together and be so fun because there's just so.

Many things that we That was the beginning of such a big thing for me.

That was going on tour was something I had never even really one hundred percent thought never happened.

Right, I wasn't completely in music.

I was more so like into acting a lot, and I danced and I sang, but like that a whole thing was just huge.

And I just remember you guys were so young, and it was like it was just a great opportunity for all of us.

And then also the Joe Bros.

Happening with us too, and like now it's like, look at everyone just live in great lives and that's just wonderful, wonderful.

Yeah, good luck guys.

Concert.

You guys are just you too.

Bye bye, man.

That's so cool.

They've done so much.

They're still going but neither of age It's weird, it's crazy.

It was there's they're there have the Rob Low thing.

They're drinking the same blood that Rob Blow is drinking because they're a shape or form we energy to think about.

I mean, I think for some of the audience, you know, because Ali was actually on the channel, like you would never have not never, but you know, I never realized how much age A worked.

It just wasn't on the channel.

So, I mean she did Goldberg's that great show.

I mean that she and she's funny and she can be dramatic.

I mean, she's in general hospital.

She's done kind of all the big primetime shows, she's done daytime shows, she's done music, and I mean the two of them together.

Allie was like, I mean, I just you know, the movies that she got to do.

She got to age up in the movies and she's like she's she was like the hot girl like in every movie that she is.

I mean, she's so beautiful and she just like, oh, it's just they's such a powerhouse like duo.

Really, they truly are.

They're great.

Well go, everybody needs to check out the newest album, Solver Deliverer came out in May, but it's getting this big resurgence now because they're going on the road.

And then she said, what coming out the eighteenth is the new four Night, Well the nineteenth or I think they're on tour, so the eighteenth, I think she said eighty third nineteenth that the four album ep whatever epole come out, which is really really cool, so make sure that everybody go check it out.

Everybody's having this big musical resurgence now.

Is just the movies of the shows, but the Joe bros Are out there, Backstreet Boys out there, Ali and AJ are out there.

Everybody's kind of geting the road again and they're packing these places because people want to go back to a time when all this.

Was the happy, fun kind off.

It felt good, it was a good night.

Everyone just you know, was having a good time.

So they are right at the forefront of that.

So thank you Ali and AJ for joining us this morning.

Thank you Sabrina for taking the morning of your birthday to interview these two amazing women, totally cool.

Have the best birthday ever.

And I know we're dating our podcast by constantly saying it's your birthday, but it is, so we're gonna do that anyway, and I don't care, so and thank you everybody for joining us.

Go check out all the movies we've done over on our other feed, because hey, that feeds fun too.

You know, we've got a couple of fun feeds over here.

We've got all the great interviews, and you should go back and listen to some of the earlier ones as well, because like we mentioned Stuck Kreeger, we mentioned people from Brink, all these movies, We've interviewed people from all of these projects, So you really should go and check that out, and then go out and check out our newest movie that we're going to be reviewing, which I believe is under wraps.

I think is Next, which is technically the very first dcom.

So yeah, go check that out.

It's gonna be a lot of fun and we will see you next time.

Bye bye,