Welcome to Organic Sexuality, where we explore the restoration of pleasure, the reclamation of sexual sovereignty, and the realization of our embodied sexual nature.

An invitation to honor the pleasures of your body by embodying the pleasures of your nature.

I'm your host, Rahi Chan, I'm a certified somatic sex educator, sexological bodyworker, and creator of Somatic Sexual Wholeness.

In today's episode, we explore the extraordinary work of Ali Mazzei.

Before we dive in, let me introduce you to one of the practices that shaped her path, Family Constellations Therapy, which we discuss in our interview.

Family Constellations is a therapeutic approach that reveals hidden dynamics within families.

In a group, people volunteer to act as representatives, standing in for parents, siblings, ancestors, or even abstract forces.

Amazingly, without knowing details, these representatives begin to feel and express the emotions and truths of those they represent.

In this way, invisible loyalties, unresolved traumas, and family patterns become visible in the room through the constellation.

Now building on this and informed by walking in your shoes and decades of working with bodies, Allie created her own method called personal geometry.

Instead of meeting a whole group of people, she often uses post-it notes or colored pieces of paper placed on the floor to diagram internal body maps of any relationship.

As clients feel into these positions, they experience what had been invisible.

This simple yet profound mapping process externalizes the subconscious, allowing us to see, move, and transform the patterns that have been shaping intimacy, sexuality, and relationships.

In our conversation today, Allie explains how she developed this method, how efficiently it can reveal the dynamics between clients and their sexual issues, how it heals splits between heart and sexuality, and why erotic intimacy is one of the greatest portals for healing.

Now let's dive in.

Today we're in for a real special treat.

We have Ali Mazzei, sexologist and somatic therapist with over 40 years of professional experience in reclaiming your brilliant body.

In introducing Ali, there's just so much rich material and experiences that have informed her wisdom and perspective.

You know, she was a dancer growing up.

She was certified as a massage therapist.

by age 19 which gives gives you a sense of how early you know like at such a young age like understanding the body she has developed a specific way of body mapping called proprio massage integrated body mapping that leads to pattern changes somatic pattern changes and she has also developed a fascinating modality called personal geometry which is informed by family or systemic constellations and walking in your shoes.

There's so much to Ali's journey that I'm very, very excited to have her here with us on the podcast today.

Thanks for joining us, Ali.

Thanks for having me, Rahi.

I'm so excited to be here and I'm so grateful for how succinctly you summarized this almost 50-year journey that I've been on.

Amazing.

And personally, longer than that.

So thank you for just putting it in such a gorgeous little basket of information there.

Yes, yes.

And, you know, of course, that's just like, I'm just, I mean, that's not all of it.

You know, we want to hear about your five years as a sexologist at the Center for Healthy Sex

here

in Los Angeles.

Yeah.

were the pivotal experiences or events that have informed your, you know, journey and really kind of this rich array of, you know, experiences and trainings that have informed your work?

So I'm actually going to start because I've been thinking about this more today before coming to be with you.

I took my first dance class at four and had the experience And then soon became injured.

duty academic environment and I grew up in a very intellectual environment, I decided I wanted to trade.

I wanted to really do something that was body oriented that I could practice throughout my life regardless of whether I went on to higher education, which ultimately I decided not because my whole life so far has been about being an advocate for the intelligence of the body, which included a lot of having to find and come into respect of my own kind of indigenous intelligence that was so naturally, so body-based in an environment, in a culture, in a family system that was much more emphatic about the importance of cognitive intelligence, which we all have really indoctrinated with.

So I've always been super drawn to, fascinated, concerned with How is it that our bodies can communicate?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely.

personally, culturally, transgenerationally.

After becoming a massage therapist, and even though I ended up getting a bachelor's, I still did a thesis all about the body called The Aesthetic of the Human Form and what our bodies, how our bodies reflect who we are, how our bodies affect how we live and how we live affects our body and our body experience.

Thank you so much.

in your shoes, a concurrent sort of sister method to constellation work, we call it walking.

So just by a to the body and setting an intention of what that our whole antenna as a body being wants to connect to, we can get a massive amount of information that will illuminate whatever it is we're concerned about.

So those are particularly big things as well as a personal journey involving also trauma and triumphs and all kinds of things that Mm-hmm.

Wow.

I see.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

work is basically really channeling ancestors.

It's got a big focus, obviously, on transgenerational, I shouldn't say obviously because people may not know about it, but it's all about transgenerational trauma and how that passes on through the generations when we exclude certain people, certain experiences, certain traumas.

Family members.

Yeah.

will pass on.

And we as sensitive beings who are part of the web of a whole family system might then start to express unconsciously and quite loyally some of these issues and problems.

And for me, first of all, within the context of sometimes only getting half an hour in a clinical environment, there wasn't a time to go to multiple generations.

Most of the clients are these Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

three-dimensionality is altered in some way, but most of us have to always know who and what and where we are as three-dimensional beings in a mostly three-dimensional environment.

So whether that purely physical thing of I know where I'm sitting now in relation to the door, in relation to the screen, in relation to my dog, or whether it's I have this feeling of being encroached upon in an energetic way by a past partner or a parent or a project that i'm dreading or whatever there is a sensational understanding that can be mapped and diagrammed in order to externalize and make consciously aware exactly what our relationships are what our maps our body maps have been and what we want them to be for a greater sense of comfort so if I asked people, for example, at the center with an addiction, because then I ended up working at the Meadows and other rehab centers with addiction in particular.

Sexuality is a lot more fun, I have to say, than working with drugs and alcohol.

But, you know, you can, somebody will, within minutes, somebody will diagram their experience of their felt sense relationship to the drug and or the behavior.

and how it's functioning for them.

So it became the method that I use most of the time now.

I teach it now because it is so applicable to any topic and any kind of practitioner who wants to augment what they're already doing because the body will go right to it and immediately diagram whatever it is that somebody's contending with.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's really fascinating.

I mean, there's so many many things that you just shared as far as, you know, the experiences that have been pivotal in forming your journey, as well as, you know, like really how personal geometry came to be that stand out for me.

Like one, you know, this combination of being a dancer since you were four, you know, moving your body combined with your mother who was so open and nonjudgmental and accepting and celebratory, like she wanted you to be informed, you know, about the body, about sexuality.

And that pairing is a very potent pairing as a girl and then a young woman experiencing your whole self.

I just want to note the plot thickens because of course it was not that simple.

And there was also quite dark aspects of that to add to that aggregate.

let's say, of experience that developed my sexuality and my experience in the world.

So I just wanted to add that.

Essentially, it makes so much sense to me that constellation work and personal geometry that came through you really resonated and had to come through you given how you hold the body in its wholeness.

Because I feel like what constellation work does is it It's really looking at the wholeness of a family system.

And I feel like what you've been doing is looking at the wholeness of the embodiment system.

Mm-hmm.

and their relationship to orgasm or whatever it is that they're struggling with or wanting, the body knows exactly what it is.

I don't have to rely on something out there to show up and tell me.

It's all right here.

It is so flesh-based.

It is so melded in a way that we in our cultures, in most industrialized cultures, if not all, can't really fully even understand how genius this this and and complete this thing is that we are so yes

right right so that's why i feel like personal geometry had to come through someone who understands and has experienced you know that that depth and and and um study you know both experientially and as a body worker because obviously you know burt hellinger who we both you know respect and appreciate, uh, does not come, you know, from that background.

And so

it makes sense that, right.

That, that represent that the way he held the space in the field was very different than someone who, uh, you know, it actually lives, you know, like that, that, um, explores the state of embodiment, you know, as, as you have.

Um, so I just want to say for, um, listeners who's not, who are not familiar with family constellations or a systemic constellation It was developed by Bert Hellinger, and it's a very, very actually common practice in places like Germany, where, you know, as Ali mentioned, issues regarding one's life can be threaded back or kind of revealed through the family systemic field as a unfinished business of a previous generation.

And by applying completion sentences and realigning the constellations, that these issues can be addressed.

And it sounds like, Ali, you know, I'm really fascinated how you have taken walking and constellation work to resolve and address issues of one's sexuality and their relationship with, you know, whether it's porn addiction or, you know, inorgasmia, or can you give us a sense of how, you know, in such a short amount of time, you allow the constellation to reveal one's inner relationship with these issues.

Yeah, so I don't call what I do a constellation anymore unless I'm specifically doing a constellation for somebody.

But let's say you are doing a constellation with somebody about an issue like a porn addiction.

For me, to go all the way to, okay, well, you do a whole geniogram and you interview them and you get their narrative and you get what they've talked about in therapy for the last 12 years and you get their belief or their defenses or their story basically about

what

we think is going on.

And then in constellation work, whether you're working one-on-one or you're working in a group and then you start setting up the main, I don't like using this word actually, but players or in my case, when

I work,

what I would call the kind of the joints of the dynamic.

Because when I'm doing what I do, I'm thinking of, I always ask people to look at whatever I sense into, like in the body, what isn't moving, what can be moving, that is causing problems for people.

So in a constellation, they're looking more at content and story and representatives, working in a group to bring in information.

And yes, they're also working with a skilled practitioner is also working with the nervous systems of the client and the nervous systems of the participants so that I have experienced this and seen this many, many times where the nervous system of the individual and perhaps the whole family system, though there's no way to prove that, actually does shift and change and off-gas, you could say, trauma that's been held and wrecking havoc in a family system.

Just by my...

I'm explaining that a bit, which by the way, thank you for talking, you know, describing constellation work.

I made the feature documentary films about constellation work.

So if people are ever interested, you can go to constellationarts.com and get a five film series about it.

Yeah, absolutely.

But what I'm much more fascinated about, particularly in the realm of addiction or anything where people don't feel like they have their agency, is for them to place things, for them to move things, for them to recognize, oh, wait a minute, it doesn't have to be that way.

So for example, and I realize this is most people will be listening to this and not looking at it.

So even if you just use post-its, I usually objects because they're three-dimensional and also you get the symbology, which is another language of the body.

But if you ask somebody to place a post-it with an arrow, because that's super important to know the direction of the gaze, because we as human bodies, we are predators.

We have eyes in the front of our heads.

This is very different than a horse that is prey, a prey animal that has eyes on the side of its head.

They will orient in space in a very So you always need to indicate where the eyes are, which direction they're facing, because it's going to have a completely different sensation and a completely different meaning if the client self is facing, for example, porn that's smack in front of them.

Maybe that's how they feel like it.

They're like, oh, well, I know where that is.

I'm here and porn is two inches in front of my face.

Now, obviously, that could be a literal reflection of the physicality of a screen in front of them.

But most people will immediately have this sense of that's what it's like.

That's all I can see in my life.

I can't see anything else.

I'm not looking at anything else.

I feel like I can't walk forward or I'll bash right into porn that's smack in front of me.

How does it feel?

I don't like it.

I don't like it.

It's ruining my life.

That's all I can see.

So just by placing that in literally 10, 15 seconds, somebody gets a complete experience of, or at least the beginning of a sensational experience of, I recognize that.

That's the water I've been swimming in and I don't like it.

And then we can build it out.

Like, well, is there something you're avoiding seeing?

Is there something behind it you don't want to see?

Is there something that you're afraid of looking at that's behind you?

Is there something that is who or what is implicated in this relationship?

So then depending on what they say, if you bring in a parent or Yeah.

And that body map has for that person.

the person wants to go, we get into the deeper layers of what maps are.

But I love efficacy of personal geometry, that it can go somewhere so quickly in a way the body can recognize and change.

I love the simplicity of just going right to one of these languages of the body that doesn't involve the, again, the story that isn't always necessary.

Yeah.

Yeah, that is such a great example to illustrate the efficacy and the kind of underlying themes underneath someone's compulsive addiction or behavior.

I love that it immediately externalizes the internal relational landscape of a person and their experience.

I love that word.

Yes.

It's It's really, really brilliant in that way because for some people, all of those dynamics can be totally out of their awareness.

As you pointed out, when they can see it and they can feel the spatial relationships that have been in the body externalized, they immediately can get it.

You got it.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly it.

It's

super exciting.

It's super fun.

I can't tell you how many times I've had people say, I just saw, felt, and changed what I've been trying to understand for the last 12 years in therapy in one session.

In one session, sure, because the example you gave, I know it was just an example, but I think a lot of people, the example was around porn addiction, but it could be an orgasmia, it could be a premature ejaculation, it could be anything.

And their focus on that issue, rather than understanding the layers of the currents of what is informing that behavior.

So in the example you gave, like immediately someone can realize Oh, it's because my mother's on top of me or because I'm avoiding the pain of my father's back against me or whatever it is.

And then they can address the root of the issue rather than the behavior that's coming from it.

Yes.

And then choose.

Do you still want it in front of you or do you want to move it?

Or do you want to move yourself?

Do you want to turn around?

Do you want to...

I mean, just the experience.

Right.

Sure.

Yeah.

Not just as a physical phenomenon in relationship, but all the maps.

meeting with you and i thought oh inevitably we're going to talk about that topic which is such an important topic obviously

it is

it's flipping complicated for a lot of us it is complicated absolutely people don't have a simple relationship to orgasm in my experience anyway difficult or it's too easy or it brings up memories or um

i'm

alone but not with a partner or you know You know, I don't want to get bonded or they're wimpy.

I want bigger orgasms or, you know, I just want to expand.

It's very complex.

Complex, but you can map this geometry in such a quick way to help it become conscious and start to recognize it isn't just a physical proximity.

It's also how close do I feel to it emotionally?

How do I feel to it spiritually?

What happens when my partner comes in?

into that map.

How does that change geometry?

I work a lot with the heart sexuality split.

I think I mentioned that

too.

And

I would love to talk more about that because-

I'm guessing given the society we live in and all the conditioning and the messages, it's really split.

It's more split than it is aligned for most people.

And that, I'm guessing, gets revealed in personal geometry pretty quickly.

Immediately.

And if anybody who's listening wants to just take a few post-its...

Mm-hmm.

sexuality right now.

It could be different tomorrow.

It could be different in a partner and they might spread apart or come more together.

It could be different if you bring in the church, you know, influential elements that might have really influenced that relationship.

And you might find that yours feel totally one in the same and aligned.

There's a continuum.

There's lots of elements that go into the ebb and flow.

And some people keep theirs intentionally apart.

Some people keep them apart with one lover, but not with another.

This is so interesting, by the way.

If you ask people to diagram, map their heart sexuality relationship in relation to one partner and then in relation to another,

it can be

super interesting to see, oh, no wonder with this person I'm more like this and with this person I'm more like that in the course of a relationship over a long period of time from any given day or any given love making or sex session you might feel really congruent yourself but maybe your partner isn't or maybe you both are in a fortunate world if that's your value it's a really helpful way to immediately get a sense it's an amazing I don't want to say litmus test, but I just did, because it's not a test.

It's just a reflection

of

where I am at this time that will probably illuminate whatever the issue is.

For example, in orgasmia, how one is in relation to difficulty having an orgasm in relation to one's heart or in relation to one's sexuality, maybe it's closer to the heart than closer to the sexuality, which

is super

interesting.

It is super interesting.

Because it's true.

You know, it's like, you know, there's so many books out there that talk about technique and physiology, but they don't even touch the layers of complexity that get revealed in a personal geometry.

You know, as you alluded to the relationship, you know, of the heart and where that where that comes in, you know, past lovers, you know, religion, you know, obviously, like the, you know, the influence of our parents, all of those things inform how our life force, how our how vital our life force feels and how they want to be expressed and celebrated, right?

But then the other theme you spoke, and I guess, well, they are, they're directly related, is the heart sexuality alignment or misalignment.

I'm curious, in your work with personal geometry and having witnessed, you know, so many sessions, has something really stood out as far as surprising you about people's misalignment or alignment?

between heart and sexuality or between their relationship with their own orgasm?

Off the cuff, I would say no.

And that's one of the things I love so much about personal geometry is that it is so individual.

And that is from session to session or moment to moment.

Somebody will reflect.

I've had people literally get down on the floor and feel a millimeter of change because it didn't feel the positioning or the dynamic, the felt sense relationship was quite right.

That's how specific people can get about.

This is what it feels like to me today in this moment.

And it's potentially ever changing.

Yeah.

It's just so changing, but I'll tell you, man, you, you ask somebody to put place one representing themselves and one for orgasm.

Most people will do it again in seconds.

or a minute or two and they're going to immediately go, oh my God, it's fucking 20 feet away from me and it's got its back to me or it's right on top of me or it's underneath me or it's coming in at me from the side and I feel all this pressure or people will immediately feel whatever they're seeing.

Something I do want to add, just for our audience members, as they're listening and they're engaged and some question about their sexuality, whether it is, you know, inorgasmia or porn addiction or premature ejaculation or whatever it is around, it could be a heart sexuality disconnect, considering that the root of the issue may have nothing to do with that, but what your unresolved relational dynamics are with the people that are most important in your life.

You know, as you mentioned with the porn example, You know, it could be an ex-lover, a father, a mother.

And I mean, it makes me really question the nature of our addictions and, you know, compulsive behavior.

Because my sense, you know, like I was really informed by Gabor Mate's work, you know, around addiction and helping me realize, oh, this is just everyone's different way of trying to deal with addiction.

the pain in their life, you know, some wound from childhood and, you know, the example you gave with porn addiction and the influences that can be, you know, so varied from different important people in one's life.

You know, like I feel like a lot of society focuses on addressing the addiction and not the underlying relational dysfunctions that are leading to the addiction.

We're not really getting to the root or the source.

Well, again, not to keep blowing this horn, but if you ask somebody to place one for them and one for whatever the addiction is they want to look at, they will map for you how it's functioning for them.

And More often than not, there's a variety, and I'm working on a book about this, so I'm not going to get into a lot of detail.

But oftentimes, more than not, people will put an addiction behind them because that is a position of support.

In a perfect world, that's where our parents would stand.

They would have our back.

They would lean back on them.

They would be behind us, guiding us forward.

Most people, a lot of people, don't have that.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

often happens that one spouse, one parent, will look to their child for the fulfillment, reflection, affirmation that they're not getting

from their spouse.

So that is emotional incest.

We're not going to even touch the issue of potential physical sexual incest.

Okay, so let's just put that aside.

Okay.

You can see that again within seconds if somebody is basically more or less energetically, psychologically, emotionally married, so to speak, merged or melded with a parent.

This makes it very difficult to bond with a partner.

So

one way to not quite bond with a partner can be to cheat on them.

And this can be unconscious behavior.

I can't tell you how many times I blew when I was pointing out the same thing to people and go, oh my God, I haven't been able to commit to somebody because I'm still flipping committed to my mother.

Or I can't fully come into somebody.

I can't merge with somebody and meld with somebody because that would be a disloyalty.

These are unconscious things until, again, you put it on the floor, you put it on a piece of paper, and you're like, oh, my God, a place for a partner is taken.

And in orgasm, you can see how that geometry is brilliantly indicative of that suffering they've been experiencing.

Yeah, you can see the orchestration at play in the geometry.

Yes, you

get it.

We get it.

That scenario of still being meshed or merged or married to like one's mother out of a confused sense of loyalty can be a reason why someone is addicted to porn or an orgasmic or has PE.

I mean, this is like a great example of the underlying cause.

Okay.

So at this point, I want to point out that Allie actually, she provides personal geometry trainings for coaches, therapists, facilitators, sexologist, addiction specialist.

So you can find all that information on her site.

And she is actually speaking at the Sexual Health Alliance next month in Denver on body mapping for sexual healing.

Is your site, Allie, is it just, is it your name?

Yeah.

A-L-I-M-E-Z-E-Y.com.

Yep.

I should say, Allie had me on her podcast about a month ago and it was so just like invigorating and enriching to dive deep into these topics.

And so, you know, I really wanted her to have a chance to share her wealth of knowledge, you know, on our podcast.

We actually met on the dance floor, like 20, 25 years ago.

Yeah, like 25 years ago, here in Los Angeles, there's a vibrant, ecstatic dance community.

And that's how we got to be friends.

And then lo and behold, like 15, 20 years later, we had both, you know, become certified sex psychological body workers in our own kind of respective journeys.

And so it's been so, so delightful to reconnect, you know, now that we're in these different places in our respective professional fields, which happens to be the same.

Yeah.

Love it.

And let's talk about inhibition because this is also super important.

Part of why We don't surrender, quote unquote, or meld, whatever verb you want to call it.

Yes.

While being sexual with self or another or others.

Right.

Right.

Maybe it's zero.

I don't know.

There's

times

when I feel like I am totally aligned, but there's a lot of times where I don't.

But a lot of the reason in my view, professionally and personally, is that people think sex is supposed to be a certain fucking way.

And that's why people are inhibited because they're like, oh, well, I'm not going to be able to do it that way.

I'm not going to be able to feel this physically, emotionally, psychologically.

I'm not going to be able to perform in this particular way.

I'm not going to be able to look this way as a body.

I'm not going to be able to feel what I want to feel towards this other person physically or emotionally.

There's all these expectations that one is comparing oneself to, which results in a sense of, oh, well, I can't possibly be in everything I'm experiencing with this person.

I mean, most people don't even talk about sex with the person with whom they're having it.

Totally.

Wow.

including it in the experience.

I feel like what you're speaking to is so important because it is so universal.

I mean, if you think about the way two people or more get together sexually, right?

I mean, sexuality is so charged in our society, first of all.

Second of all, there's so much sexual ego and sexual identity.

And what I mean by that is people seem to to place a certain value of their worth as a human being based on their sexual performance and how they perceive themselves sexually.

And so I feel like all of these things come into the bedroom during courtship.

And during courtship is when we start to develop patterns in our sexual intimacy with a partner.

I feel like what you're speaking to, Ali, is really giving people permission to let go of all of that And just like be as you are emotionally, physically, with your curiosity, with your, yeah, just showing up transparently and allowing all of that to inform your experience of being intimate with each other.

100%.

Yeah, absolutely.

I want to pull in some data.

And just to underscore that studies show that the degree that affects our pleasure sexually the most is the emotional connection between two people.

So what you're speaking to, the inhibition, is directly correlated to how emotionally free or how emotionally rigid we are.

I mean, essentially, the emotional rigidness is going to affect our sexual...

The rigidity of our pleasure.

It's not vice versa.

The degree to which we feel emotionally connected will affect our lack of inhibition or inhibition.

Say that again.

Well, yeah, it goes both ways.

So the deeper the emotional connection, right, the greater the pleasure, the sexual pleasure, and the lack of emotional connection will lead to performative, very limiting pleasure experiences, right?

So what you're speaking to, you know, there's so much important wisdom in it because the more emotionally uninhibited we are with each other, the more pleasure we're going to experience.

Sexuality is still the most fascinating, compelling and blessed experience when it feels right, you know, and it's such a homecoming.

And I just want to acknowledge that as well, like the opportunity.

And the capacity there is for healing because of the intrinsic vulnerability of it is unparalleled, I believe.

I mean, which is why, of course, we're both in this field because you can reach down into those deepest places and help transform them through this body of work, through this body experience, through the birthright of sexual expression.

Yeah, I fully agree, Ali.

I feel like when there is a depth of safety, trust, and surrender, there are elements of our consciousness that really open.

And in that container, there are wounds that may have been difficult to heal.

touch into or repair that become accessible in that container of erotic, intimate, heart-centered alchemy.

And I think there's nothing like it because it really, I mean, it touches on so, you know, it's almost like the inner child, the adult wise one.

I don't know if I can even put it into words to give it justice, but there seems to be some kind of alchemical portal that opens up, you know, in that erotic being fully seen for all the messiness and being cherished and loved for it and you add in the pleasure and the joy of that and it seems to recalibrate or repair, re-imprint something new of an old story where there was wounding so I totally agree with you

so beautifully said and for people who don't or haven't yet shared this who aren't sharing this with a partner a lay person So to speak,

a

civilian.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, absolutely.

but also just also physical that because

straight up physical.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

In the same, I mean, in a different way, but in a similar way, the example of like playing a King in a Shakespearean play can give a teenager like a new palette of a new context of what the body can feel.

Sexological body work.

You know, I mean, I've had clients who are in orgasmic and then it gives them, it rewires what the body knows is possible.

as far as arousal, pleasure, orgasm.

And that can then just shift the whole story for the body of being a sexual being.

And it's so, so powerful.

Totally.

Just once you felt it, you can't unfeel it.

You may not

be able

to replicate it in exactly the same way, or it may take you some time, but you're no longer the story of the one who can't come because you did.

You've done it at least once.

You can certainly do it again.

And it again and again.

Yeah.

So it's, you know, going back to the antenna, you know, the antenna, it's like a whole new range of things can be picked up, you know, as a result of just that kind of shift.

Allie, as we wrap up here, again, always wonderful to dive into these rich explorations with you.

How can people find you and learn more about personal geometry?

Yeah, so So as we mentioned, just go to my website at www.alimezey.com.

There's a whole page under training if you're interested in taking my eight-week next cohort starts mid-November that is a foundational class to teach personal geometry to any kind of practitioner, or you can do a lot of your own personal work in that class as well.

And then I also have my podcast, The Brilliant Body Podcast, which is a fantastic collection of conversations with a variety of different body masters, not just about sex and sexuality, but about all kinds of things to explore the brilliance of the body.

And then I'm working with people.

I'm going to be in Los Angeles mid-October to mid-November.

I work hands-on.

I do one-on-ones, work with couples, do somatic immersions if people want to really do a deep dive into just getting at the root causes of these issues along with some body work I'm not currently working as a sexological body worker but I can do a lot without working directly with the genitals yeah and I just get on my list so you know what's coming up next offering some new stuff and would love to have any and all of you come and join me

that's so great so great Ali thanks for being on the podcast it's always great to see And I look forward to seeing you.

Likewise.

How is today's episode landing in your body?

Right now.

Are there aspects of how you experience your sexuality that may have nothing to do with sexuality itself, but shaped by unseen forces within the personal geometry of your relational dynamics that are now yearning to be revealed?

And when you feel into your heart and sexuality dynamic, is there a sense of harmony and alignment, disconnect, or something in between?

What might you begin to explore to bring greater sexual coherence within yourself and with your precious erotic life force?

Links to the wide range of Ali's offerings can be found at her site, alimizet.com, and also in the show notes.

And if you enjoyed this conversation, Ali and I dive into more rich topics this week on her The Brilliant Body podcast.

Until next time, take good care.