Seven O two the Africa Reports seven to seven.

Whose DRC is it anyway in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Conoid.

What appear now that the M twenty three rebels have taken on the part that part of the country.

Life under the M twenty three has taken a new shape.

It's chilling to hear reports of sporadic attacks and we understand now residents speaking of forced labor, fear disappearances, a shadow government operating beyond the reach of Kinshasa.

The United Nations says Rwanda has a factor of control over the M twenty three operations, making it in essential, essentially rather an occupying power under international law.

We're joined now by Kamba Le Mosavuli, a native of the DRC who is an analyst for the Center for Research on Congo Kinshasa.

We're trying to get him through on ZOOM.

He's meant to be on ZOOM and he doesn't seem to be with us at the moment.

There seems to be a connection issue there.

I'll tell you what will come back to that issue, because it is an important one in the context of lives lost, both of course of Congolese but also South African soldiers who have fought in that conflict trying to bring about peace.

Join us.

Let's walk the talk.

This is seven o two.

Whilst we try to get that connection, perhaps what we can do is play you more of what we heard yesterday in Parliament as that ad hoc Committee investigates corruption and political interference in the police, and that there is so much that was heard yesterday from particularly of course the KASA and Police Commissioner, Lieutenant General and Glandlam Quanazi.

Let's talk about what he said yesterday about safe houses and the idea that we as South Africans might be shocked as to who is using them.

That came Intelligence have got their own ways of operations that don't one hundred percent conform to the norm that we all know and understand how they acquire a facility.

They do not acquire facility through public works.

And when I come up on not knows that because she's been in this committee for that long, the come Intelligence have been leasing buildings as safe houses.

They've been leasing properties and some of these properties, honorable chair Members, that I'm not inviting you to go deeper to finding out because it's not within a spaces within the transtending committee.

But you will be shocked of some of these properties that we've been leasing, as the South African Police say, is come intelligence?

Who did they belong to?

Number one?

And whether they are used for what they are least for.

It's not scary because he's implying that there are people who are powerful, possibly politically connected, politically powerful, whose homes are being leased by crime intelligence, and he says you'd be shocked who it might be.

Right, he says, if you find out who these names are, we would be shocked.

It almost seems to me there's even more information he's not sharing with us that we need to know.

He then, of course also warned about discussing crime intelligence matters in public forums or through the media, and he says this could backfire spectacularly.

The risk with it, which I repeat before this committee, is that the members of crime in Intelligence are going to be forced to defend and themselves and the only best way to defend themselves is to speak the truth.

And when they come with the truth, majority of you will not be able to start market this country is going to pen because they are top secret things that should not be discussed in public life.

So if you make the members look bad, they're going to count to the human beings.

They've got families, they've got friends.

They've been paraded as criminals in front of the international TV.

They were paraded when they arrested.

They were branded as bad people by this members of this parliament.

Some of them they kept quiet, but they know the truth.

They have evidence on our conventionally otherwise that they have, which if they were to present it, it would be a press briefing that would be worse than what Kanas did.

Right, Be careful what you asked for.

Be careful whom you speak about.

If you don't know what you're saying.

And he says, no matter how they that evidence, the fact is they have it, which brings us to this issue of cell phones being monitored.

This is what he had to say about how crime intelligence keeps an eye on those who are wrongdoers.

So I needed to prevent that by warning that let's not hold back and allow that the very same executive authorities parliamentarians participate in the wrong honor would say, if we were to ask me, I will say, maybe you must close down crime intelligence remove everyone Tuesday instead of thrash if you will, because I know names within crime intelligence that are bad.

They were there in twenty eleven, they are still there today.

We have family members of the relies of this world that are still controlling gadgets, that are listening to all of you at communions, and that what Kramer is trying to fix.

What does it get in return?

No, no, leave listing alone.

You are the bad one, and I don't remember as the comfortable one because yeah, well, not going to talk about benefits that comes with it.

I feel that these things that we've put on this statement, it's just a tip of the Icebeck.

The rot runs deep.

Indeed, the reference they have cause made to former crime Intelligence boss Richard and Lully, and he's saying, look, his family members, his cronies, his appointees are still there running budgets and some of you are comfortable with that because maybe you benefit from how all of that goes.

The rot really really runs deep.

Don't know if you stayed up until ten thirty eleven last night watching the testimony at the ad Hoc Committee, the evidence being led there off General Van dam Quanazi, and I can't get enough of it, right, I can't get enough of it I mean, you think you think you know you've heard it all, and there's more, and boy, oh boy, it is regrettable.

We couldn't get our expert from the DRC to talk to us about what's going on in the eastern DRC, but it would appear.

Yeah, there are huge chunks of that country that are now defect are run by the M twenty three rebels, and many local residents are living in fear of their lives.

But we just couldn't connect.

Sometimes technology is what it is.