[SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Rose podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: As you guys know, if someone is a guest on my podcast now, it is a sacred invitation as I've been moving away from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But moving towards the conversations that are essential, Lacey Phillips, welcome back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy to be here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we have the most fun organic conversations and a lot of the same overlap of, you know, many beliefs all around.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really excited to be here and similarly on, you know, expanded.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really do guests anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: We really only do.

[SPEAKER_00]: what we call the process episodes, it's like people who have done the work and Jessica really walks through how they manifested the big thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no, when we like looked at our stuff or like people just want to hear about manifestation and we're, you know, we were getting bored of conversations with other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel really honored to be here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jan, it's such a, I mean, the idea of manifesting, I think is so...

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say like, desired by people because they are like, how do I get the thing I want?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think in the context of love, that's obvious of people are like, okay, like, if I could just sit down and write all these things down, that's the way we think about manifesting till we get more clarity.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, if I could just sit down and write down the list of the things I want, it'll just appear and life will be good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to have to think about anything else and the love of my life.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to have to do any work.

[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be like a movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a good movie, like one really like a sweet movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a rom-com, yeah, and I feel what I love about your work, which so many people will reference, because I often will reference the expectation that there's going to be a test to what you desire.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the way you teach it just brings a lot of [SPEAKER_02]: like you expect this to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when it shows up, it doesn't mean you're manifesting wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I know you wrote a book, how to manifest your work has been all about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: So why don't we dive into that and we'll talk a bit about humanity as we do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sounds good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the test piece is so crucial to to be magnetic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this audience has known me for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've been having conversations for a long time, but the test piece is so big because when I started this whole process 10 years ago after doing all of the thing positive.

[SPEAKER_00]: all what I call the new age rhetoric, manifestations, and I did that for five years, and nothing was really happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was just experiencing rock bottom after rock bottom.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to stay in the vortex, whatever that is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think positive all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was pretending that the partner was there and had the room in the closet and slept on the bed next to me before it came in, and then like around 25, my clear cognizant gifts came online.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the universe started to show me what my psychic gifts are.

[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, I can read pattern.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking at a person, I channel through the universe.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I can see like, oh, if they do this, this and this and this, they'll get what they want.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I started to develop this whole formula of manifestation that was really grounded in psychology and neuroscience.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, finally, it's not getting into the vortex.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not having to stay positive and be afraid of my negative thoughts.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if you do this, this, this and this, you'll get what you'd [SPEAKER_00]: but it's not chill.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely everything you value and I value and it's deep integration work.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really getting into your subconscious, creating neural pathways and then there's a formula to it which is everything in the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this book is comprised of and [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was honest with you in the beginning of this and I've been honest with my agent and my publishers and everybody I never wanted a book.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was never interested in doing a book ever for like eight years and I would have, you know, so many publishers knocking down our door and we would literally archive them in our inbox.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't even even respond because I was so uninterested.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then there was a point where [SPEAKER_00]: My agent came along and she represented a lot of my friends and people's work that I liked, and I even told her, I was like, there's a really slim chance, make that I'm ever going to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, a woman on my team who was with us for a very long time, Grace Abbott, her and May got together and just sort of quietly started shopping it around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had told the universe, I was like, if you want a book, because that is far greater than me, it's about this brand and it's about this community and the people that really want something [SPEAKER_00]: you know, dog year, give to a friend when they're like, well, manifestation, and to be by nothing, sort of, you know, take this pitch and nobody has the elevator pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I said universe, if you want this, then you need to bring the best publisher in, the best advance in, the best co-writer.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it all came in one week and I was like done sounds good.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do a book.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, it's now We're like actually shocked at how wonderful this book is because We're you know, it was just released last week, so basically people physically finally have it right We're doing like the pre-promotion, but they physically have it These are people who've been doing this work forever and they're like holy wow This isn't saying because it's like in my stories my rock bottom how I learned through things in every chapter [SPEAKER_00]: but teaching each of the steps and every exercise in it is brand new.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Jessica and our team and Ali on our team created these brand new exercises using like the state of the art tools, you know, between IFS and EMDR, you know, inspired and we use somematic experiencing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny actually had this moment a month ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a month and a half ago I had this crazy trigger hit me in.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know your audience is really trigger-aware like I am not the silly Instagram trigger-aware.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no trigger warnings, trigger warnings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something happens in our life and it's just really hitting on that childhood wound that has nothing to do with the actual thing happening, but it's like spiraling us and it really came up for me and I was like, ah fuck TBM, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go search out there like, what are the newest tools I can do to like just integrate this trigger is quickly as possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: and I'm working, you know, I'm like Googling and doing all these things and it was like, yeah, IFS, I need to help inspire it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all this shit we use and I'm like, okay, bucket, I'll just do this works.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so yeah, the book came about and you know, it's been really fun because real community members are like blown away who have been doing this for so long and that response actually feels.

[SPEAKER_00]: It makes the whole thing worth it that we did about.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, to put it in people one love like a written thing, like a not a cobo or whatever all those different ways you can read, which are great.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just mean like to actually get a copy of a book that you, as you said, can dog ear that you can go in and actually go through the steps and then review and then go back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, recently I was listening to a guy named Cam Newport, Newport, I think it's me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, he wrote a book called Deep Work and he was talking about, I love audio books.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they were talking about how fiction is good with audio, but like to really exercise your brain.

[SPEAKER_02]: if anything is non-fiction, you should read the book because then you can underline and you get more retention, et cetera.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking about that how now I'm just buying books again because I want to train my brain to focus.

[SPEAKER_02]: But how translational reading a book being intentional about it is actually part of the work of manifesting, like saying, I would imagine buying the book [SPEAKER_02]: that actual act is way part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have some, I think, you and I are actually landing on such similar things at this moment just based on the little bit you shared before this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm having this whole moment, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to sub-stack.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I want my own creative thing outside of TBM.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need that energy to flow.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this whole year, I've been having this massive analog experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you and I are like hitting on all the same stuff because you are just saluting to basically how technology is affecting the body brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is everything I'm in okay so there's so much to actually dissect and move such little time and this because this is like the shit that I could talk to my best friends about for hours.

[SPEAKER_00]: But basically I'm [SPEAKER_00]: So in my sub stack, I've been bringing out, I'm like, here's, I've been writing letters with friends and communicating.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so allergic to my phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sick of my phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I love AI.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the more it's become prevalent in my life, I'm really realizing why I'm not triggered by it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And why I love it is because it's actually forcing me to finally have my own brain again.

[SPEAKER_00]: And have my own energy again and get off of it and start to be more analog.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like the more that AI is [SPEAKER_00]: Prevalent the more that I'm driving my vintage car that and then it's not even fancy it's like an eight thousand dollar What is it when you have a wagon here, don't you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Wagganier like when it's been crashed and you can't even insure it anymore What's that called when it's like oh for life?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like whatever that is yeah, so it's like not this fancy thing I have a wagon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have a wagon here in Mento, but here in Tupenga.

[SPEAKER_00]: I drive like this $8,000 7.9 Mercedes wagon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have like I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, ma'am.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I look at my contemporary car and just like a robot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every all of this is just not my vibe.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm really like re-teaching people of let's write letters and let's use them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing like etching and sketches and it's made me start to knit and I'm learning how to spin and I'm using my own alpacas wool that we, you know, had shorn in the, so it's really allowing me to get back.

[SPEAKER_00]: to this deep analog state.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually do, and I'm sure you've been talking to your community about this until you're blue and the face, and then I do actually have manifestation thoughts on this and how it ties together.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious to hear about the research you've been doing, and oh, and on the book note, similarly, because we have, you know, young children, but I hadn't read.

[SPEAKER_00]: physically read a book in four years, physically like no attention span couldn't do it and there was something that had earlier this year with the analog that I now and in fact I can only read fiction.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was in nonfiction for so many years in my career of research and learning that now it's like, yeah, there's this this heirloom piece of me that just messed out on really good fictional literature.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I have like 10 books by my [SPEAKER_00]: And I have like this whole thing going on my sub sack of what we're reading.

[SPEAKER_00]: All that to say, I'm curious.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure your audience is now heard so much about this, but in a nutshell, what are you determining through all of your research?

[SPEAKER_02]: Such a good question.

[SPEAKER_02]: I...

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what they haven't heard of that nauseam yet because I'm really, I did my first keynote actually at a marketing conference.

[SPEAKER_02]: So giant one called the Gathering in Banff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's big brands, marketers.

[SPEAKER_02]: And well, I said to them like, well, you're all thinking about how to get more attention.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about the cost of attention to the nervous system that [SPEAKER_02]: Technology doesn't care about your biology, but it will exploit it if you let it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so all of these things are designed to go through the doorways of your unlived potential.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you'll be hooked by consumption if you're not creating.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'd see that like even the one cell in your body that self-abandoning will be the way that a doom scroll hooks you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also seeing that like I have a big draw to analog to.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've always loved vintage cars.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why when I saw your wagon here, I was like, is that a wagon here and you're like, yeah, the interior is like [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Frances, French kiss on the just like mid-centuryesque interior.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, I've really discovered, I think the delicate line, I preface to my talk with was I've created so many beautiful things from technology.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the question isn't is it good or can it be good?

[SPEAKER_02]: it's how do we coexist with it in a way that's harmonious and it's like any tool like if I give you a hammer you could build a house or you could kill people so it's like how do you use this tool and if you're not mindful it will capture your it will remove your discernment and so I think this is the sort of I mean we could get into deeper parts of this but I think [SPEAKER_02]: The way that short form content is created in the algorithm works where it has trillions of data points on you each individual.

[SPEAKER_02]: They know when someone's pregnant before they know, like that's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we open up a phone, we enter a trans state, and we can go from, you know, seeing a funny JZ meme to seeing a child in a war term country to seeing someone getting assassinated.

[SPEAKER_02]: All without our consent.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so we were not meant to bring in so many things through our eyes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if we are, we were meant to have cleansing practices for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, so this was, I'll end on this and I want your thoughts.

[SPEAKER_02]: When I left Instagram and did this deep work and deep research and then came back, which I wasn't expecting, but I now knew how to relate to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So before I didn't know how, so I needed to leave it to know how to relate to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I could choose to be in relationship instead of having to be, because my business was quote-unquote dependent on it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But when I picked up Instagram, I remember feeling this feeling of my body and I'm like, what is that feeling?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it was discussed.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, disgust is the appropriate response when you're being exploited.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, huh, because they're mining my attention to make money with ads.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm essentially just like the matrix, just totally fed off.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that was really like, I was like, oh, we're so disconnected from discussed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because we're all like crabs and or like a Lobsters, where they just turn up, there's a frogs where they turn up the temperature and the frogs boil.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because they don't realize in those small mining changes of temperature.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're all being drawn back to analog because [SPEAKER_02]: You know, our nervous systems are going, please, get me land, get me a farm, get me, get me spaces with no phones.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I'm, I think we've met an existential point where some of humanity is gonna upload to the cloud and the other part of humanity are going to root deeper in the earth in...

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on the air side, so, [SPEAKER_00]: similar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you and I are on such a similar trajectory.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I had her from Jessica about your exit from Instagram.

[SPEAKER_00]: The good thing about like TBM is that it doesn't rely on me to I don't have to physically be on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I had a very similar experience where I [SPEAKER_00]: There was something about, and it sounds exactly like what you're saying, I was having this moment where I'm like, I can't get on here and go from trigger warning to being sold something to be, I was like, this is the most inauthentic place in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I too left.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had this moment of just like, what is my, because then I had many people, you know, craving this connection with me, you know, my, my community.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just had to figure out what is my relationship with it, and still to this day, it's quite literally me going on uploading.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't scroll, I don't do anything, and then I delete the app.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even engage with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think of like Gary Vaynerchuk back in the day, which is very different than him now, but back in the day, it'd be like, you need to respond to every comment and do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, you don't don't, and it's this, it's this continued expectation that a stranger has not granted, like if you're listening to the podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a depth of intimacy that's more long-form content, so we develop it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You hear thought processes.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're not being captured by hooks.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like my sub-stack.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have a sub-stack too, and I actually see sub-stack as being really important for humanity because it's long-form content again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although I'm sure I have seen that it has short videos on it now, and it seems like that is always the path of platform goes I was actually thinking you guys can steal my idea if you want if you're listening I was actually thinking you know what app would fucking crush now is the original Instagram [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, when it wasn't like you basically like you're saying and which is something I hated, you know, not having our consent that so there was a point where we talk about this at TBM or like you if you want you can follow your expanders, you know, the concept of manifestation.

[SPEAKER_00]: They all rhetoric would talk about visualized visualized visualized so you're blue in the face.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the way that your brain works and we manifest from our subconscious, it doesn't, it will never happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: If your subconscious hasn't seen to believe that what you want is possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: So for instance, if you never witnessed in childhood that the relationship you desire is possible because you grew up in broken dynamics.

[SPEAKER_00]: you quite literally don't have space for that to enter your life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we would then help people where like use Instagram this was years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this was the beginning of the conversation was years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: We would say use Instagram as your Expand or Portal, mute anyone, you know, that's not your Expander so that you these people you're following, you can see to believe that [SPEAKER_00]: that the things they're doing are possible, you know, if it's communication styles or whatever, but then Instagram, when it rolled out, that once you mute everything, it's just feeding you new stuff, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like, oh, God, this is so toxic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is, it's so different because it's interest media instead of social media like it now just, it, it feeds you what will keep you not what you maybe your soul desires and that's where discernment gets lost you know that idea that the opposite of trauma is choice so like you're not in choice you're not you're consenting but you're not consciously consenting completely you become anonymous really know what's going on [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and you know, like not to get conspiratorial, but to get conspiratorial.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you look historically at projects like MK Ultra, where they were doing mind programming, et cetera, which is a known publicly understood program that a lot of the documents were deleted, but they were using things like LSD to program people, see what they would do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure that social media is actually any different than that.

[SPEAKER_02]: a psychological operation and so, you know, that's, I think when people can start to see that the history of government is that one thing you'll know for certain is they're always going to lie to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so, right, and if you just accept that as true, like, I think Canadians often, if you're Canadian, I love you, you listen to this, but like Canadians often live in the naive bubble, and I think, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: certain percentage of every country does that their government is here to protect them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, they're the ones who expose them to life to save to totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, come on, they mandate getting a shot.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a lot of ways that consent is completely bypassed and hidden under the idea of safety and protection.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think like the most important work we [SPEAKER_02]: to create sovereignty, like true sovereignty and the idea that you have sovereignty no matter what.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have the money to be able to actually engage in free choice, because if your job is dependent on you getting a shot and you don't want to get it, and you have to get it and violate your own sovereignty in order to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that choice, but that choice shouldn't even exist.

[SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't even have to make it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the way I look at it too, even on the simplicity of anyone who believes like any parties out to save them, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's like, to me, that's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, here obviously, and I imagine you guys are too from the little that I do know about your political structure, but we're a two party system.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whether you like it or not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Very much same for us.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have a couple like non-existent irrelevant ones, but.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, to not be able to see that both are cut from the same cloth.

[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then to also have faith in an either.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is like a shocking to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's easy to get captured by it though.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really isn't, I don't blame people, you know, because everyone's playing on people's fear.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like you're saying, there's just not, there isn't, to me, I've always, oh, since a young, young age, and I don't know if this was introduced to me by my family or what it is, but I've always known, and I don't know if it's just like patriarchy and whatever in general, but it's like, you just have to follow the money and power and never, [SPEAKER_00]: trust anyone who's following, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, that's where true.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where true sovereignty comes, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, you have true choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, I see what's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I can actually from that place, even if you're doing it in a non-attached way, which I think can be really healthy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can actually have the questions of, I see what's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I see what's been happening since the beginning of time, and it continues to happen, and it's just forgetting older, and it just looks repackaged differently, but it's the same thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then, you know, you have this opportunity, exactly what we're talking about, [SPEAKER_00]: to start to create whatever existence you want independent of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's something really interesting that's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're familiar with Jenna Zoe and Human Design, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we have been on a speaking tour, which is our first off in New York last week, and all Jenna and I can talk about because I keep receiving so much channeling from the universe that like, [SPEAKER_00]: we're being stripping, has started at basically the end of last year around like autumn.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just this rapid stripping happening for everybody in the collective.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like that thing you always feared that it's going to be ripped away from you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It gets ripped away from you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is stripping, this perpetuous stripping.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe it's going to continue.

[SPEAKER_00]: quite rapidly for the next two years and so when I sit and talk to her there had been a lot of predictions from the gentleman who channels you know human design that there's this concept of the new paradigm or we hear about the aquarium age and we're very much at that precipice and so I find when Jenna speaks about human design the new paradigm it's quite accurate.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so the whole concept of that is that we're moving into there are three different cycles.

[SPEAKER_00]: We tend to always loop through it, but the one that we're attending to move into now is moving away from the collective into the individual.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so as we're watching things unfold and she's worth the deep conversation because she can really explain this to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: but we are moving away from any form of where we did things, you know, in the form of government or in corporations or anything that was we, we, we, we are moving back into that individual.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting that you and I, and probably many listening to this are having this inclination towards analog, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that she says, when you look in your chart, you can see like especially in her app, she has an app called my human design.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have one too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's called the line.

[SPEAKER_00]: align, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you pull up in your app, she has this part that has your gifts and there's one gift that's your top gift.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's at the top 70% of your gift and then you have these other little gifts.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's saying that in this moment because we just have this like deep and prompt to conversation that are speaking to her because I've been like, this is the stripping.

[SPEAKER_00]: things are dissolving.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be dissolving and everything is about getting into your true authenticity right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I personally have been having this crazy poll to live on my ranch up in Northern California and become a shepherd.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like knitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm into fibers and obsessed with my fiber animals.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready for that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all of me all, but she talks about whatever you, anyone listening are obsessing over in the most beautiful inspired way, even if it doesn't make any sense go down the rabbit hole.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like her example was if you're the person that's just obsessed with water.

[SPEAKER_00]: like water's in folia, you just, you're obsessed with like the coating inside of water and the magic of water and pretty amazing, it's pretty, I mean it's insane, it's amazing and yeah, how what are forms and shapes, she's like you just never know if there's a point where there's a water shortage, like you will become so important in this new paradigm.

[SPEAKER_00]: So to wrap all this back around, it's not crazy that we're having a conversation sort of questioning [SPEAKER_00]: Everything tech, right, which I believe has heavily intertwined to everything we're talking about, whether it's government, whether it's about, it's about bigger collective things.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe are going to start to, as individuals, as we're already feeling Q and I, are going to start feeling allergic.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been good word.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I talk about my full allergic to my phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start feeling a little allergic to these things and maybe not even have context or words for why.

[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from someone like you who are having these conversations and that we are going to start to move back analog and we are going to start to get obsessed with and inspired by these old forms that actually use full body.

[SPEAKER_00]: communication like reading a book and underlining it and or from day one when we would tell people about casting a list like even in the book we would always say like you need to write the list.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about hand-eye coordination that just instantly communicates it to the universe rather than sticking it in your eye notes like you need to write this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that was a lot of information, but I think you and I are definitely feeling into the piercing of what's happening and what's coming and we're having these interesting ideas and feelings and intuition.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like even mine, it's not at all wrapped up in any form of fear.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I'm excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited to be knitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And touching back into these practices that we have been doing since we were human like the beginning of human beings I do believe there's a lot of of when you aren't fully mesmerized by technology you're going to start to hear the whispers of those inspiring things and follow them that they're leading you as we move into this new paradigm exactly where you're supposed to be going in a really beautiful way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to trust that, to trust that the reason you want to share a meme about buying a hundred acres with friends is because you legitimately want to buy a hundred acres from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's going like, hey, you know, you're lonely and you're, you're energizing your loneliness with false connections.

[SPEAKER_02]: with texting and more followers.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I was thinking the other day like we don't need more zoom meetings.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need longer dinner tables.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is able to keep you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more feeling that.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, okay, it's time to start doing dinners together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we want just intimate long-form dinners.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want long-form conversations.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want panels in person.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a lot of that connection that needs to be happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it seems to me like we're all picking up on this like there's companies now that are making courted phones again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like what a beautiful thing that is and we're not wanting to be, it's even like our brain using AI to write a first draft, [SPEAKER_02]: outsourcing the creative process.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it isn't good for you and it's it's like a Jim quit talks about this idea of digital dementia that our brains are actually developing dementia due to the use of tech.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the effect of blue light.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so this we're not meant to have so much artificial light.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're going back to things like candles going back like my wife and I we have candles everywhere We use red we use sauna space red lights at night here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I might dream like my dream manifestation [SPEAKER_00]: Since I was a child, was to manifest, like my ultimate Victorian ranch, very practical magic style, like on the water, the Victorian barn, and I manifested it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's 1890s, Victorian home, and we're restoring it, and I've had countless conversations with my partner to be like, I don't feel that we should put electricity in here.

[SPEAKER_02]: He already know his response is like, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't get the, no, he's down.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a pretty down guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, I don't get the best hit on that though.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm straight up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is not conspiracy, chin it, or anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is like soul, human craving, missing, having tasks to do and chores.

[SPEAKER_00]: 100% with my hands, like I want a pump, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: for water.

[SPEAKER_00]: Water.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I'm having the craziest pull for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like shepherding and stewarding this land in the way that we would have.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would EMF block all the walls.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would put in shielded cables.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would put in shielded cat cables.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I would have switches to shut off all the power.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he's saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, we can just have it like that because we do that when we remodel anyways.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, it's just there if we ever want it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because that's nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you need a little Tesla, whatever it's called, the Wi-Fi, I mean, that's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's like technology can be really helpful and it can also be really harmful.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think when, [SPEAKER_02]: If you were to turn like shield everything and do that, it's so cool because you're turning that barn into an optional 1890 with an upgrade to 2025, but if you need it right like a button you're just like a button like I want to watch the world series button on you know, but I don't want Wi-Fi so I'll just shield everything and run like I hardwired everything in our house.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was like, oh, at nine, I want to be able to shut off the Wi-Fi, but still runs in times, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's been, it's been interesting, though, to recognize that we've gotten so far, so quickly, and I think our bodies are going, [SPEAKER_02]: When I think of the process of manifestation, it's asking people to get really present again, an intentional, like, if you really want to create what you say a desire, you can't not be an alignment with what creates that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if your soul's going like get off your phone and you're going, sorry, like you're saying, I don't, I don't want what I said I want.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess the absolute spine to everything we believe in is that the universe is only intention is to get you back into your whole worthies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Period.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what you were when you were born like you chose and took a body, your purest form of essence before we experience pain chamber programming.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yeah, there's just a really big new layer that's downloading.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we've been talking about it exclusively on our speaking tour, which anybody listening, we're going to Austin next.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have one in LA, and which will then that same conversation rules into our end of your challenge, which is going to be like a...

[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't announced, but it didn't, the theme yet, but I've been like pushing for this for a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to be so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that basically, there's a whole new conversation downloading about purpose.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the only word I can put on the energetic.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when we were at the speaking tour talking about it, there's this energy that's happening and as Jenna so beautifully puts it moving into the new paradigm where we're experiencing [SPEAKER_00]: And the stripping is essentially the universe, like pushing you out of your nest faster to get into that Authenticiness that alignment because we're moving at such a rapid pace now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do you feel that at all mark like the rapidness of time and space speeding up Beyond technology like just yes, it feels like you can't help but confront your bullshit real quick as if you don't you're gonna get buried [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so the best way we're talking about it is like people need to hone in on what their gifts are.

[SPEAKER_00]: What makes them so unique, so special when they were a kid, what made you fringe?

[SPEAKER_00]: What was that thing you were so interested in that made no sense in your nuclear family?

[SPEAKER_00]: whatsoever?

[SPEAKER_00]: in, you know, that you incarnate it and you obsess over because this is that that authentic soul alignment is what's going to all come together in your authenticity as the ultimately what magnetism is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's just attracting and manifesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm somebody who actually has like a tremendous amount of optimism about everything that's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I actually don't have a lot of fear or worry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think [SPEAKER_00]: So much necessity is waking people up and not just in the, like, are you awake thing?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, whether we want to be or not, there is going to be nowhere to hide anymore from ourselves in our true soul and our true wants and passion.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the education that you are going to start bringing and are already starting to bring about the things that are just distracting that.

[SPEAKER_00]: and that in like in a non-concept way is just being so distracted even my mom who's you know a very normal person.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not normal because she's very gifted in psychic and all these things, but she texts me yesterday and she was like we need to get rid of electricity and all of this stuff not at all in a conspiracy way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anything like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I can't even fully feel my psychic potential because we are so from all the buzz and satisfaction in EMF and cars and like we have lost that relationship with the night sky.

[SPEAKER_00]: The people before us use the night sky as their ultimate navigation and life.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's where myths were born from stories were born from.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're concept of creation.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even have that relationship anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: We used to sleep under the stars.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know concept of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do believe there's going to be a massive resurgence in a non-crunchy way.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be this calling as you're saying, which is so true from our nervous system.

[SPEAKER_00]: feel actual connection, to source, to God, to our community, to people, to friends, to love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we don't even really know what the depths of intimacy and love could be without technology.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not, it's not even great.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, in our lifetimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: you and I grew up in a world where we did have courted phones and whatnot, but AOL was just coming online.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still remember my grandparents having that funny old apple computer with the green screen and you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like our generation doesn't know what it was like to just have horseback like to have no interruption.

[SPEAKER_00]: And our generation.

[SPEAKER_00]: simultaneously hasn't truly no concept, multiple generations have no true concept of what our potential and connection was and could be pre- like Christianity, because that's a whole other thing, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's a whole other thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole other thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: a structured religion that also had a broker between you and God, which is the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: That and that your path, if you're saying your evil, you know, there's like really to the burning of the witches, the druids, the, you know, like the shepherds, the shaming of sexuality.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's just, we have broken that of what?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so imprinted in our nervous system, this problem, this trauma, this like, [SPEAKER_00]: epigenetically generationally like we have no concept of what the truest potential of actual connection and I mean to everything right connection to nature to our lover to our children we don't know what that depth and I think on a nervous system's sole level like in a awakening level we're we're we're curious we're getting very curious about that [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are a friend of mine said, you know, I think there's a lot of people who get the information about where society is going before society goes there, so they could prepare, like they could be, they're like the canaries in the coal mine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I really see that that like every time I've gotten hit about something and not pursued it, it becomes like I was obsessed with the idea of buying camper vans in like 2016, 2017.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like damn, should've done that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually bought in 2008, I bought the domain flewfix and coldfix.com.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea was I was going to put out a supplement that was a naturopathic supplement that would help support your immune system if you got the flu or a cold.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd be a billionaire.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would have killed him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at all up, I could have been established for seven years before one of the greatest frauds in human history was pulled out of people, but I would have done well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I mean, you would have had like all your micro influencers would have made it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think like wow like I had these hits before and I didn't listen I was afraid to follow through on them so I'm curious like when you're working with someone on manifestation or even that intuitive as you in general are talking about like [SPEAKER_02]: You're obsessed with water.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about why.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just follow the obsession.

[SPEAKER_00]: So especially now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no time of speeding up and now like that is our greatest message at the moment This isn't a fear thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing like that at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm so optimistic, but this is um, this is a calling because Yeah, we're going to be rapidly changing [SPEAKER_00]: And you're being divided to exactly what your magic in community is going to be, because we're moving away from the collective meaning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just like governments.

[SPEAKER_00]: corporations and the weeds and the laws and the blah blah blah's back into the individual and how we actually connect like that deeper connection as a community.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we're moving.

[SPEAKER_00]: So anywhere that you're in, we all have a role to play in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's so Genesis and very much the channeling.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been receiving.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: The more that we can lean into and listen to our Pings, that's what we call them in manifestation.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's when the universe directly like just sends you that that download That you should get that dot-com and you should start doing that thing in that level of law That you have a specific role to be playing your authentic hole where the self does.

[SPEAKER_00]: We all do and so Yeah, the more that we can just get out of the distraction the more that we can integrate through the deeper work [SPEAKER_00]: and follow these pings of interest, the easier this ride's going to be for people in a beautiful way.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what a great thing for people to realize that the intuitive gut senses, passions, they have are not by accident, and that they're essential for humanity, for their family, for their culture, for everything, to move in an direction.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it is our most important work to follow that, but also that we can be rewarded for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: We could be behaved to do that thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: How do people differentiate like a ping from just like a random thought?

[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a really good model for this, it's in the book, there's a whole chapter on meetings and the book and I'm trying to remember because Jessica, on our team and Alia, the one who came up with the exercises so they like really modeled it out, but essentially basically how we how we try to explain it is whenever your [SPEAKER_00]: right, so if you're getting the ping to reach out to your ex, that's a pain to not do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so that's actually just your, like that's a, like a, how do you say that's an addictive behavior that's a toxic pattern.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're all well aware enough to know when something is coming through the divine that is really but it lights us up, it makes us feel great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not trauma bonding or like you're saying to get a dopamine head because you feel lonely, like those aren't the ways, like the universe doesn't, you know, communicate those things to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those aren't the ways that things [SPEAKER_00]: are communicated.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we have like a whole, you know, practice on it in the book of how to discern between the two because not everybody is integrated enough to understand and know that discernment based on their trauma growing up.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm curious for people listening.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be my full time because I know you've got to go put the baby down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Put the baby down.

[SPEAKER_02]: where can people find more about manifesting and where can they get in the book?

[SPEAKER_02]: So the band events, too, there you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: The book is available everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere you can buy a book and the audibles out, or I say audible, but the audio versions out, which is narrated by both Jessica and I, which I think is a special role, because a lot of people don't do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: and that was a real labor of love and then yeah so the basically the way we're pretty passionate right now about everything we're talking about and so we launched all this to be a real roadmap where we hold your hand as a brand so it was like starting with the book coming out we're going to be having totally free to anybody a virtual book club for the next I don't know when this goes live but starting next week yeah we can put this out right away [SPEAKER_00]: first week of November, every Wednesday.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can find that on our website or on our Instagram.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have a speaking tour.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's basically going to be covering what you and I have been talking about, about purpose, about the shift in the stripping.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a whole new deep imagining, which was our self proprietary hypnosis process that really walks someone through to figure out what is my purpose, what is the everything you and I are talking about, like my soul's interest and what I'm supposed to be doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the next show we have is in November and Austin.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the third week of November, Austin Texas, and then the last one, it will be a Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're around, they're not sold out, come out, those are great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last piece that we do every year is we're having a, we have it like end of your challenge, which is our most powerful, [SPEAKER_00]: thing we do every year that moves the needle for everybody like we'd be run statistics on it through surveys of people who actually completed the challenge and the last the second to last one because we haven't gotten this past one in June 98 points to be a percent of people who finished the end of your challenge last year manifested what they were calling in within six months.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's cyclotic.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, but this isn't show work, like this is definitely deep needle moving, but it also isn't super time intensive.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like how Jessica is formatting the end of your challenge this year, it's only going to be three weeks and it won't take more than 20 minutes a day and it's that powerful and I can't speak with the theme is, but it's such a good theme.

[SPEAKER_00]: which is the spine of everything we believe him.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that will be at the end of here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I do believe we just touch base on this because we're having this conversation as just kind of a touching base on this yesterday that I do think the conversation we just had in New York with Jenna is gonna go live in January because I do believe what we're talking about is [SPEAKER_00]: quite frankly, one of the most important things that, especially just astrologically speaking, February on next year is going to be so real and only the authentic or kind of making through without mental health, I feel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean to joke about that, but I do just say without your nervous system, your world, everything, feeling out of control.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the more we can be really primed for that in our authentic whole worth in our passions, that's going to actually be our anchors, where we so beautifully navigate all the the stripping and changes that are going to come.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you can find all of this at tubimagnetic.com on our Instagram is tubimagnetic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have my sub-stack, which is my greatest passion, which is shocking.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I put that out there, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put this out there into the world and that was my first thing I've done like individuated from TBM.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually Jessica on our team who really was, you know, sort of the champion for that because she's like putting out a book, you should have a sub-stack and then I put out the sub-stack and it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: all the depths.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like number three in my category.

[SPEAKER_00]: I oscillate between one and three.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the biggest, most amazing things.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can find me over there, which is called by candlelight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe that's all I do at night.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's candlelight.

[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gee, hacker.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's awesome.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks so much for your time.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we could dive so much more in.

[SPEAKER_00]: We must, are you coming out to LA anytime?

[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be so fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I might come in November and do an event actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no member.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: What about next year?

[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll come now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I come all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to, I'm into this whole panel concept and I can imagine like you, Jenna and I and maybe one other community technology, the new paired, like just so do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe for Valentine's Day, we could do a theme where we liberate people from technology and they fall back in love with Anilab.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do a Valentine's Day analog.

[SPEAKER_00]: So powerful.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where people write, um, like, uh, where things you did as a kid, where you wrote, like, you, you put them on people's, yeah, without, not, yeah, that was easy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not too way from a carrier, but, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have my pigeon get in touch with your pigeon and we'll set up a dime.

[SPEAKER_02]: Lacy, thanks so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you and I look forward to our event, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you to your community.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love them for so long.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love you so much and we'll talk again next week.