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He welcomed my sub stack.

I have the amazing Heather MacDonald back of City Journal.

She has so many great articles and her really stunning book that we've already talked about, and I can't recommend highly enough.

I think Trump may have read it when race Trump's Merit, which is really stunning.

And there are two main things.

Well, welcome Heather.

You are the always the most gracious introducer, and I'm really so honored by your kind words, So thank you for having me.

Oh, I'm not kind, I just oh, your stuff is so great.

Two things I particularly want to talk about.

You've had a lot of great articles recently, including on Charlie Kirk and the hate of the Left and just so many things.

But I do want to say that, and I'm sorry I missed this goalm A few weeks ago I emailed Heather saying, you've got to write about these science grants.

And you know how Trump is allegedly just slaughtering scientific experiments.

I keep running into people saying, oh, we had to kill all the money we were about to cure Alzheimer's and this experiment, Oh, all this stuff is being shut down because of the research grants being taken away from Harvard and having read Heather's book, when race trump's merit, I mean, there's an entire section on how study after study research projects.

No, it has to be canceled because you don't have enough black ladies working on it, because there aren't enough I don't know, gay Latinos and that, and it is race trumping merit.

So we're going to sacrifice developing cures for cancer and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's because all of these grants require a huge DEI savent.

So anyway, I said, you've got to write about this, Heather.

I don't believe this is what's happening.

I think they're getting rid of most of the DEI stuff.

And she turned around sent me in an articles she'd written a couple of weeks earlier, which is exactly on this.

So that's one of the main things I want to talk to you about.

But we're going to start with because oh my gosh, you've been so great.

That's here, Yeah, yeah, okay.

What's happening in Germany.

They're going back to their hit layering and roots, trying to ban the AfD and I think I think the Chancellor of Germany Frederick MERTZMI wrote about recently.

I think maybe he saw your article because of this today's update where he actually had something critical to say about the refugees raping the German girls.

And he actually stood his ground for maybe, I don't know, two days, and of course it's all been back backtracked because there's been the usual outpouring of hysterical rallies in Berlin and Stuttgart and Cologne against racism and heaven forbid that German people have any kind of German identity.

Yes, he was at in Potsdam and said, well, you know, we do have a problem with the way our cities look and feel.

It was this weird phrase shot build the city scape, the city image, and especially around train stations.

And for that reason, we're trying to conduct deportations, which is another word that you really cannot say.

They think remigration basically means you're setting up gas chambers.

And so of course he was immediately assailed by his coalition partners, the Social Party, the Democratic Social Party, which is a coalition party of Meritz's Christian Democratic Union, for the sole reason that Meritz refuses to be polluted by this awful alternity for Deutschland, which is composed of the most normal people in the world, the most well meaning people who simply care about the German nation and don't want to see its history go further down the tubes through the erasure under large scale Third world mass migration.

So Meritz has had to have all these left wing coalition partners because for decades now there's been something in Germany called the firewall, which is that we have this firewall against the off day because they're so dangerous and they're so polluting.

So Merits after making this comment about well, actually we have a problem in our cities, and the implicit truth that that was very obvious at that moment that he was referring to the large numbers of migrants, illegal immigrants who spill over around train stations in the city centers.

And so of course all of his coalition partners and the left wing party said you are a racist, and there were demonstrations.

Well, two days later, amazingly, Meritz refused to back down, and he said, if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask your daughters, ask whether they feel safe going out at night.

And guess what.

Sixty three percent of Germans agree with Meritz nevertheless q the we are the Daughter's marches and take back the night for migrants.

Never mind the fact that in twenty fifteen, of course, there was something that had never happened in Germany before, which is mass sexual assault that went on during the New Year's so called celebrations in Stuttgard and Cohn and across other cities, where large roving masses of migrant men were sexually assaulting German women.

This has been conveniently memory hold, but it still goes on.

There's been rise in sexual attacks constantly in Germany, there's rise in knife attacks.

So Merits two days later held his ground, and then of course it all collapsed out from under him.

And as the tune he's saying now is we can't even without migrants.

We wouldn't be Germany without migrants.

And he's got the usual You see this in Europe a lot, where they say Germany has always been a nation of immigrants.

Oh no, yes, but that's what.

He said, absolutely, So nevertheless, you know he still has support for this.

But but this comes on several weeks of virtue signaling from Merits, where he says, we have absolutely nothing in common with the af Day.

We don't.

We don't just disagree on details of policies, we disagree on the broad outline of democracy I have.

I've met these members of the OFF Day again, and I can't stress enough they are the nicest people.

They wear suits, they're lawyers, their doctors, They they obey traffic lights.

Their typical Germans in every way, except they are unusually brave when it comes to having the argument from Hitler hurled against them, and they are willing to speak the truth, not just about immigration, but their co leader Alice Weidel, just gave a fantastic press conference about the utter insanity of Germany's ongoing climate change in green energy policies, how it's destroying German industry by saddling Germany with electricity costs that are higher, much higher of course than France, which it's one sane aspect is it's held onto its nuclear power, and partly because they've forsworn Russian oil and American gas is much more expensive than Russian gas.

So anyway, they are a breath of sanity and fresh air.

But they are struggling all the time to be even allowed into the political discourse.

Yes, they've basically tried to outlaw right Afty.

It's stunning.

And you know, air Videl is beyond normal, She's lovely.

And I mean they act like this is a Hitlarian party.

When they're the Hitlarians.

I understand now they're going to be as all this is happening, canceling a lot of the Christmas markets because they can't afford the security.

When the Muslims drive through them and slaughter a bunch of Germans.

It's classic Germans would rather cancel themselves than hold on to their own culture because that would be the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

And I cannot recommend the book enough.

That was for me a just of a lightning flash of revelation two summers ago when I read it.

It's the first English translation of the essays of Reno Camu, no relationship to Albert who came up with the phrase the Great Replacement, and it's just a stunning analysis of the finalesradical anti racism that has taken over not just the Germany and those who were allied with Germany in World War Two, but it's taken over Britain, who vanquished Hitler, and because the second the vengeance of Adolf Hitler.

The second career of Adolf Hitler is to have discredited any reasonable idea of a nation of a race, meaning you know, the German races, of a civilizational legacy, because all of that means that you are somehow discriminating against the other.

And Camus analysis and he also dovetails it with the loss of knowledge on the part of European and American civilizations towards their own civilizational legacy, and he says, you know, you can't defend that which you don't even know exists.

And so with the degradation of our educational systems that are teaching people about German poetry and science and music, for God's sakes, the thing that's dearest in my life, why should they care if immigrants come in and mean that there's nothing left of the German identity or the French identity or the British identity.

So anyway, I recommend that to everybody.

But even the identity.

And it's sort of weird that the Chancellor phrased it in terms of the train stations are looking a little scruffy, like I say, they're canceling a lot of the Christmas markets.

It was just a few years ago.

They had to have classes in Germany for the refugees.

Don't rape the German girls.

They have to teach them that they can't rape them, even they are infidels.

Yes, true, they might be wearing short skirts, but no, you still can't rape them.

I mean, these bloodthirsty savages, kN knifing people, attacking little girls, little girls afraid to go to school.

Forget the German identity.

Why isn't it unanimous for the AfD.

It's just astounding.

Their highest poll riding yet is in one of the German states where they're now at forty percent and the CDU is twenty six percent elsewhere.

There's four elections coming up next year in various German states.

Off days, I had by like two percentage points.

I think the Germans have just been absolutely broudbeaten, and just be perfectly honest.

There's a lot of American philanthropic money that does not allow them to get over this.

But even without the pressure from various American organizations, it just may be that they have simply lost their minds.

And it is obviously it's a characteristic of Western civilization in general to be the only civilization on the planet and in human history that goes around systemically denigrating its own, in this case superior accomplishments.

Western culture is superior in terms of what it is accomplished to any other.

There's there's just no there's no counterpart the spirit of inquiry, of scientific inquiry, mathematical inquiry that began in the pre Socratic age in Greece and that gathered steam throughout early modern Europe and went forward.

We have conquered nature and have pursued understanding in a way that no other civilization did system systematically.

Some some did for a while and then kind of petered out.

Some never did.

I'm reading now this great book by Francis Parkman, a great nineteenth century historian, the Oregon Trail, where he wanted to go and observe Native Americans before they got He felt that around New England they were totally already assimilated and had lost their real way.

So he went out into the plains regions and around Fort Laramie, which is a trading post.

Anyway, one has to respect these people, obviously, but one cannot help but observe that for millennia they made no progress.

They weren't curious to ask well, let's figure out the course of the planets and the stars.

Let's figure out you know, geometric rules never happened.

So there's something about the worst.

But we are so self annihilating that and no other culture does this, yes, and Germany is just a more extreme case of that.

But I hope, I just hope you know, off day again like the claim that Meritz has, which is that they're destructive of democracy, as you say, and it's the non of day parties that are engaged in the most grotesque constitutional basis up with rules on the spot, ad hoc rule changes, to deny them their parliamentary rights which they won fair and square, to deny them committee chairmanships, to have these bands on people that were voted democratically through no monkey business by large percentage of Germans.

And as far as like being hilari, they're the most pro semitic pro Israel party in Germany.

Same with the San Nacional in France and the and the same with.

The Republican Party here.

True enough, but where they're like.

An extreme version of how democrats go around screaming about democracy with Trump and how we almost lost it on January sixth, apparently don't know if you knew that.

And meanwhile, they're trying to strip Trump's name from the ballot.

They're primarily prosecuting the lead candidate for their presidency for the Republican Party.

One.

I'm glad you mentioned Francis Parkman.

I highly recommend everything by Francis Parkman.

I believe he's a long time professor at Harvard.

And what's so great about him is he's a genuine historian.

He went and he lived with the Indians.

You know so much about the Indians, And what's interesting to read someone who, for one thing, knows what he's talkying about, but also just completely free of today's wokeness.

So you both get the courage and honor of the Indians, but also their savagery.

Of the ones who are savage, some were very pacific, but you just know you're reading the truth.

It isn't one sided one.

Way or the other.

He will give you both the good and the bad, which you know it has to be all one way or all the other way, apparently.

Exactly.

And you know, I think there's so many great books, nineteenth century books of Western journey, western navigation.

I think what I'm my Favorites is two years before The Mask by Richard Henry Dana.

Dana Point in Orange County, south of Laguna Beach is named after Richard Henry Dana.

He was on his eyes were failing, and while he was a Harvard student around the eighteen forties, came from a very august Brahmin family abolitionist.

But so for some reason he thought, well, the way I'll cure my eye failing eyes is to get myself on a boat, serve as a common sailor, sail around the tip of South America and end up on the California coast trading cattle hides or picking up cattle hides to bring back for tanning on the East coast.

And he, I mean the hardships that these sailors experienced, the abuse of power.

It's really something, I mean, we really do have to worry about due process.

And obviously absolute power does corrupt, absolutely, but just the enterprising nature of the effort to colonize understand map out the California coastline another book that I read about the geological survey effort to map out California.

The hardships that these people's put up with for the sake of knowledge that being their sick all the time.

Partment in this book is is got.

I don't know what he's got, it's malaria something.

It keeps coming back and just fells him.

But he gets on his horse, who's also really sick, and keeps going.

They just have this utterly stoic attitude because they're so driven by the passion for knowledge.

So all of these books should be written read by our heueling, self pitying, narcissist students that take everything for granted and have no idea.

And I'm speaking to the converted at I mean, you are the most eloquent defender of what America has meant, even more so than I am.

Your Your your patriotism is unmatched, but for absolutely good reasons.

And it's just it just is absolutely infuriating to see the parasitical nature of young people today that is based on one ignorance of everything they should be grateful for.

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I think this, I mean, this weird.

Generally.

I like white people, but wow, do they have suicidal instinct that you do not see in any other culture, in any other country.

And in a way, I think this is denial of what Western culture by so many Western elites that itself is an implicit acknowledgment that they know our culture is so much better.

It's embarrassing to point it out to you heathens.

It didn't even invent the wheel, and you're so proud that's a very nice hut you just built.

But it's really so patronizing.

It's implicitly acknowledging that your culture is a million miles beyond every other culture.

But I guess they don't see it that way.

They're just so busy virtue signaling.

Yeah, maybe that is the logic there.

I mean, you know, with talking about the National Science Foundation, typically, I mean, these grants are like a dimond does, and it's the usual.

We're going to give several, you know, half a million dollars to incorporate indigenous knowledge systems.

And that was great preserve you know, the great ecosystem or something.

I don't know if if they it's fair to say they know the vast abyss, or if they are so if the if the lies are so instantaneous that they like immediately buy into that, and because it's so pervasive, I mean, you get that throughout we've it's kind of boring writing about this because we've been talking about this for decades and you always have to pretend when you're doing yet another article that this is the first time anybody's ever said that.

No getting picked up because all this stuff about you know, black math or Native American math and and in bontics in circles.

Yeah, it's been around for a long time and by now, I don't know, I have to think that they actually believe it.

And again, I just think that they're so unaware of what the world look like before Western science started to conquer disease and give us engineering and all of those credible machines of the Industrial Revolution.

It's the obvious ones like the steam engine and all of the various procedures for melting iron and creating steel.

But they're like just criminal things that are just because the West.

These Europeans and these Breads and these Americans, they're just tinkling all the time.

They are driven by curiosity and passion.

And I, yes, yeah, I don't know how we can possibly be grateful enough, but we certainly should not be self canceling, that's for sure.

And as for them not being aware of it.

About a year ago, I was having dinner with a couple of young people I know who went to very good schools, and so, you know, I rush out of my apartment and go to meet them sit down, and I said, you know, every time I get in my shower twenty twenty stories off the ground, hit a button and have fresh, clean hot water, I thank God for white men.

And they both looked at me utterly, blankly, seriously asked me what I was talking about.

And I said, well, you know, that's why I can push the button and get clean hot water up in the sky, and that Their attempt to say that it had nothing to do with with white males was to say, well, yeah, because they had the industrial revolution.

Okay, this is kind of a chicken in the eggs, right, Why didn't they have the industrial Revolution?

I thought their response was going to be that well, the only reason it was white males is because there were barriers to all of these, to all of them, the equally qualified females or the non existent persons of color who were simply not on the European continent any significant numbers at that point.

And my response to that is, Okay, I may mention this a a podcast before, but I go around collecting these natural experiments where there are no gatekeepers.

So you cannot plausibly claim that in a field, contemporary field that is presently dominated by males now we expand from white males to Asian males, that there's a tradition of keeping females out.

And there's many examples of this.

One of the best is Wikipedia, where it's completely blind.

Anybody can be an editor of Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is a very recent phenomenon.

It's not like you can say, well, there's centuries of sex discrimination and chess that somehow you know if you're a young girl five years old today, you somehow are aware of this weighty, millennia long discrimination against females that means you just can't get up there and learn how to move pieces on a chessboard.

But Wikipedia is what twenty thirty years old, so it's not as if there's you know, women now feel like, oh god, at the start of Wikipedia, we weren't allowed in, and now we're everybody was always let in.

There are virtually, i know, Wikipedia female editors.

The people that are writing, you know, sixty page entries on a battle in World War Two, they're all males.

And it drives the Wikipedia left wing foundation just crazy.

And they're trying to game the system to bring more females up, but nobody's keeping them out.

And I also love the pictures now of tech startups, all the AI startups.

I'm sorry there are no barriers to female getting tech money, as we saw with Elizabeth Holmes.

In fact, if you're a female, you're gonna get billions showered upon you, and you'll be on.

The cover of every magazine, every magazine.

But in fact, if you look at the pictures, I'm amazed the New York Times will still even cover the AI beat.

It's all males.

These are the guys that are driven to create.

And there was an article in the Times about this sorority house that was started by some females in the Bay Area that well, if we cluster together and give each other support, we'll be able to do a female startup.

And so there was like twenty girls that were living together and it broke up.

But you know, again, nobody's keeping them out.

But it's the male passion for systematization, for discovery, for risk taking, for entrepreneurship that is driving us.

Yes.

Yes, And this segues into the other topic I've been dying to get to, which is from your book.

When race Trump's merit, I mean one research grant after another, one medical organization, scientific organization, whether it's coming from the universities or the government.

The number one thing is you must have women and minorities and a certain number of them.

And you write about major research that had to be shut down because, oh my gosh, it's only white males working on it.

So I've been suspicious.

I think I told you in an email.

I'm running into people relatively serious people Connecticut, Fairfield County, Upper east Side, or associated with Harvard and experiments, and they say, you know, we had to kill all the mice and we were just on the verge of curing this childhood disease, and the research money got pulled, And so I demanded you write about it and you already had.

And what's funny about your article, which I want you to describe more, is one thing I'd like to ask is how much of this research money is going to study racism?

It was huge, It was absolutely huge.

The NSF has it's a very complicated bureaucratic float charter or chart, whatever it's.

It's composed of these they call them directorates.

So there's the Engineering Directorate and the Chemistry Directorate, Life Sciences, and they had an Education Directorate which was a ninth of all their funding.

Before Trump, thank god, belatedly started hacking away at it, but not sufficiently.

It was pulling in over a billion dollars a year at a budget for the NSF that was about nine billion dollars a year.

Every single grant in the Education Directorate was complete BIS.

If it was not the most overt racial apologetics and racial victimology, it was simply ed speak.

You know, every education school is one big intellectual vacuum.

They make up for their lack of IQ points among students and professors by trying to churn out the most vapid, opaque language about modalities and principalities and modes of cognition and you know experience based research, you know, emotional learning based.

But it's just it's completely there's nothing to it.

It is all one big excuse.

I mean, every education school it's mostly about race and gender victimology, but it is also about making excuses for the fact that students are not learning and trying to explain their ignorance on the basis of everything other than lack of effort.

You are not allowed in an education school to say, here's how you learn.

You take your textbooks home and you study and you memorize, and you don't go out and run the streets and gang bang.

It's all blaming, blaming the man or something.

So anyway, so this ed director.

Have one I want to read an excerpt, not the full excerpt.

You have something in your article which are totally hilarious.

And this is I forget his name, but is Holly the National Science Foundation projects quote.

This is his project learning from Black Intellectualism, Broadening epistemic foundations, and engineering education education to empower black students and faculty.

And here's just the beginning of the excerpts that Heather includes.

I recommend you read the full thing.

The current discourse around the minimal presence of black people, and engineering is framed in terms of underrepresentation, the disparity between black people's demographic representation in the general populace and within the discipline.

However, this narrative preserves whiteness by passively neglecting the culture of racism in engineering.

And I noticed all of them.

One seemed to be yet another study of racism.

That's been kind of a funny thing about the the like Claudine Gay and various black professors, mostly black professors, Black teachers accused of plagiarism.

At first, I thought, Oh, come on, just because the string of words are the same, that doesn't make a plagiarism.

You say, George H.

W.

Bush, the forty whatever president of the United States of America, Well that's you know, like nine words in a row.

But that's can't possibly be pleasures and plagiarism is stealing an idea.

And then I realized, oh, yeah, no, all of their articles are on racism, all of them.

That's how I make it.

Well, there's this migration, and this is sad to talk about, but of blacks start out in the stem fields because they've been catapult bolted into schools for which they're not competitively qualified.

They would be qualified for other science schools, but they're always catapulted ahead of their current capacity.

They don't cut it, and so they migrate into education, and so they do engineering education like mister Holly, instead of engineering.

And it's just amazing.

I mean, the further you know, language from that grant is epistemic violence, and black people are forced to give meaning to their experience through the lens of whiteness.

I can't stress enough how absolutely outrageous it is that the National Science Foundation was created in nineteen fifty, you know, a Cold war initiative to try and to take science seriously, to have the highest standards of pure science research.

It was sort of thought that the private sector wouldn't be supporting, and so we are going to advance the United States capacity to compete with the world, to compete with the Soviet Union through real science.

That the NSF is doling out a billion dollars of taxpaper, fully a ninth of its budget.

And it's not as if the bad stuff isn't just in education.

In fact, James Holly's grant wasn't even in the Education director.

It was in the Engineering directorate.

So this is what the engineering people are saying they want to spend their money on.

It's a complete travesty, but it just shows how pervasive this obsession with trying to figure out a way to shoehorn more blacks and females into high pristige jobs and.

Male jobs.

I mean, you can have lots of high prestige jobs.

In fact, I think more people would prefer to be oh, I don't know, Oprah than some you know, dork researcher working on a cure to Alzheimer's.

There are plenty, and women have also very separate talents.

In as Amy Wax says, our one separate talent is fashion.

I keep trying to think of something other than fashion, and I haven't been able to come up with one yet.

But that pushing people Maybe you're right about that.

No, gay men crush us on that too, But it's pushing people into something that they don't even want to do, they're not inclined to do.

And why why so liberals can feel good about themselves.

Yeah, I don't know if they're being pushed or they I mean, maybe they're being pushed, And certainly I think with females they're being taught to go around carrying a chip on their shoulder all the time and feel like they need to pick at the scab that was allegedly left in themselves, you know, in their very DNA from eighteenth century fact that they couldn't own property or they couldn't initiate a divorce.

Like I'm still supposed to go around being really angry about that, and like I need to take vengeance on every male that I see, And I frankly don't give a damn.

You know, I there and there were reasons for the former arrangements, to be perfectly honest, that we are not allowed to think about at this point.

But in any case, so yeah, it may be that we're pushing blacks into jobs.

But I just want to say, like, the problem, and this may be obvious and not just implicit, but the problem with seeking proportionality and diversity in these fields is because there's a skills gap.

You know, it wouldn't be you could say, if everybody had equal skills and we somehow were just giving priority to certain groups, it would be bad.

You're discriminating against the non privileged groups.

But it's sort of okay.

But the real problem, let's just be honest here, is that if you're to strive for that diversity, it involves inevitably lowering standards.

Because the black average SAT score on the math SAT on a scale of eight hundred is four hundred something.

The average combined score of sixteen hundred points for blacks is nine oh four.

That's really our public schools are doing a fantastic job, especially in four neighbors.

And by the way, when you get a professor who happens to be black, who actually is qualified in doing great work, like professor fry At, he's Harvard, not Yale, right, Harvard the economist, and it isn't He's not studying racism.

He was studying a lot of interesting things, producing interesting studies.

No, they have to try to cancel him.

Well, I was.

You know, there was this great mathematician philosopher at my residential college at Yale when I was there in the seventies, Benjamin Ward.

And he was obviously there was brilliant.

You know, he is one of these geeky types.

But as you know, again we're like pulling up old chestnuts.

The problem is those people don't get to be No people are gonna there's gonna be a stigma hanging over them that maybe they too are affirmative action hires, and that's that's another problem.

But anyway, so the NSF, so they were they were.

Trump was rightly hacking away at this awfulness.

And but I have to say it kind of raises the question of maybe the government shouldn't be involved in funding science at all, because they also had the NSF had this whole category of grants imposed by Congress that fell under the category broadening participation broader impacts that you have to justify your your research into the most abstruse chemical processes between you know, electrons and protons and how they bought.

You have to justify that in terms of its broader societal impacts.

You can't just say no, this is really interesting, good science to do, and it will have an effect right in the future, but right now it's a good scientific project to solve.

Instead, you have to and of course the broader impacts are also often about race and gender equity, broadening participation, but Congress can't leave well enough alone.

And so Trump actually got rid of a lot of the broadening participation stuff in the NSF, But what he left in place was the geographic diversity, which is just as bad as race diversity.

And because all of these congressmen say, well, I want some science bacon in my district, I don't care that I have no universities there that are remotely competitive with the cutting edge science faculties of let's be honest, largely the coastal, damn it of liberal city universities have that.

That's the strongest universities.

And you shouldn't be doling out money that is meant to advance our scientific process on the basis of well, we got to get some to Kansas and no, no insult to Kansas intended.

But again it should be unmerit alone.

So so Trump was cutting back.

He kept he kept the broadening the geographic grants, but he was cutting back.

And all of the hue and cry that came out of the press, that came out of the science establishment began as soon as he started cutting the diversity stuff, and they were lying through their teeth.

They said, this is going to jeopardize our ability to compete with China.

You know, we're losing our cell our, our mouse lines, we're losing our stem cell lines, We're killing the mites, and the labs that you say BS BSBS one hundred percent BS behavioral.

So there was one guy that was quoted in Science magazine or something again, well we compete with China.

His research he was in the Social Sciences Directorate, was how facial stereotyping contributes to racial injustice.

So it's he's got classic.

However, however, recently the twenty twenty six budget gave even me pause because it's pretty extreme.

It's cut like all research across the board about sixty six percent, and I started to think.

Well, maybe it's a little maybe it's a little too much to the bone, you know, even taking into account that he's also cutting a lot of the green energy boondoggles, though I'm not one hundred percent against that because I think there's probably again good science to be done there.

And he's still like nuclear power exactly, how about nukes?

Playing him break back nukes and cutting like the huh, some of the indirect costs.

But I have a friend who teaches in UC San Diego in engineering.

He's very conservative.

He is completely opposed to the priority given to hiring females, which is everywhere every science department.

Frankly, it's mostly about hiring unqualified females because they're simply arg enough remotely qualified blacks to go around.

So it's all about about promoting these second rate females.

But he actually said he can live with the sixty five percent cut in engineering grants because he thinks there is that much still bad fat and bad diversity stuff going on.

So anyway, I think your friends that are screaming the sky is falling, it's largely exaggerated.

Well, that is a relief to hear, and as a relief to hear that he's getting rid of so much of this DEEI stuff.

Do you remember I took notes on the book and I was trying to look at it before interviewing you.

But there were so many other things I want to talk to you about too.

There were specific studies you described in one race Trump's merit they had to like grab on to some woman or minority to attach to the project or they couldn't get their money.

Then, yeah, well that's they're all.

They're all based on the race and identity of the of the researcher.

It's it's quite explicit they have grants tailored to minority.

There's all these acronyms.

There's advance, there's I forget what the black one is, advances mostly females.

There's other ones.

But sure, I mean that's that's just typical.

And it's like the university faculties itself.

You're not going to get that job unless you're black or female.

Although the engineering faculty at Easy San Diego did hold out for a while and the dean kept saying, start over.

You know your your final three candidates don't contain a female.

Not acceptable, go back to the drawing board.

And I'll be damned if the if the engineering faculty didn't just say they finally brought in an Israeli woman too to hot to interview, which is just a charade because she just didn't have the she didn't have the credentials.

She was really smart, but we're talking about souber smart, and so she didn't get hired.

So what the university then does is create a separate track called excellence candidates that you're truly or willy and you weren't able to get through the normal process, So we've got a separate hiring track because you're so excellent, we're gonna anyway that.

I also object to throwing females into this affirmative action.

I mean, I've said this a million times, but the only people we owe anything to.

And I'm not sure we should be wasting scientific money on this, or or sending black kids to schools where they're not going to be able to succeed and be happy.

But how did women sneak on to the you know, civil rights gravy train?

What was done to us?

We've been supported, provided for, been able to live without working for most of our exist until till recently.

Now we have to work.

How did we get on?

We weren't brought here as slaves, We didn't suffer, Jim Crow.

It is just so outrageous.

I think black people should object to that, and I object to it as a woman to be throwing us in here.

We have to have a woman for all these things.

Yeah, well it's just female power, I guess, canniness.

You know, they want to all things and and and be parasitic on stuff.

But any group I guess that has the remotest possibility to be a victimist sort of out of his mind, not to seize on that, I guess these days, because it will bring all sorts of undeserved benefits.

I mean, you know, obviously they can point to things like and I don't need to tell you this or anybody else for that matter, but they've got their famous litany of you know, no voting and no property ownership and stuff like that.

But as you say, very few people really wanted anything other other than that.

I just had the marvelous experience of listening to Gone with the Wind on audible, and what a great novel that is, and certainly it's one of the greatest anti war novels.

And you know, any of us, anybody on either side of the aisle at this point to sort of toys dangerously and with a sense of mischief and rebellion against with the idea of well, I can't stand the other side, and both sides field as let's be honest, we both hate each other.

Let bring on civil war.

Read Gone with the Wind, and you realize that is absolutely not acceptable.

Its wars utter hell, and the destructive force of it is beyond belief, and we've just forgotten what it's like to have it on your soil.

But in any case, She's Mitchell is really good about the female mentality, and for a lot of these females in the South, including Scarlett O'Hara, their whole life are devoted towards being attractive to males and getting a husband.

And the feminist is going to say, well, that's because that's all that's allowed to them.

But I look around, Anne, and I see, you know, all these influencers, and they could be influencing anything.

If they wanted to be influencing nanotechnology, they could.

And they're influencing cosmetics.

And clothes ands and a billion dollar a trillion dollar boob enhancement industry.

And but a dancing they're excellent dancers?

Are they excellent dancers?

Yeah?

Yeah, Fredas Stare I never want to k Ginger Rogers could do everything Fredastair, but backwards and heels.

No, I'm sorry she couldn't.

There's no comparison.

Freda Staire has that extra style that taking a gesture just a little bit further than an ordinary dancer like Ginger Rogers would have done.

So yeah, even the males can succeed there.

I signed up for TikTok just because Nicki Haley kept attacking it, and I hate Nicki Haley.

I kept hearing how you know it's oh it's so awful and it's rotting kid's brains.

And I got to tell you they're actually it's great.

These kids are making really great videos.

I mean, I haven't seen all of them.

I'm sure some of them are not, but there are great magic tricks and the cute girls doing their cute dances.

I mean, if the Chinese are spending their time looking at America's TikTok videos, they are wasting a lot of time watching sixteen year olds girls, cute girls dance on camera.

Good, good you you guys have at it.

That's fantastic.

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You know to one article you wrote about of course, you know, the liberal hate is what leads to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and I want you to talk a little about that, but it reminded me, you know, we're all sort of saying now.

I think mostly liberals are not trying or interested in understanding conservatives at all.

But I want to play fay Ar two and I want to try to understand them and not just think they're based on hate.

But when I see what the Europeans are doing to their own people, I'm sorry.

I can most liberal arguments.

I could at least say I this is wrong.

This is the argument they'd make.

I can't even see the argument they're making for destroying their own countries like this, Yes, we're going to keep bringing in these savages to rape our little girls.

I guess they always have the deprivation argument that this is not a cultural trait, it's not certainly not anything that is related to impulse control or orientations towards the world, towards his testosterone or whatever.

It's all because of our sins of deprivation, and we can all be equal together.

And I just think, again, I see these Germans.

It's really it is a psychosis.

It's a neurosis.

It's like lady Macbeth washing her hands out of you know, constantly, because she's just so encumbered by guilt and madness.

They cannot stop it, and they have created these bugaboos, these utter fantoms that don't exist.

They're seeing ghosts, they're seeing witches that don't exist.

And it does, you know, with the creation of scapegoats, as we understand it through you know anthropology or Paul Ricueerre, who you know has worked on these, it does create solidarity.

You you know, the community unites against the outsider who's stoned to death, driven from the village, and it's a way of solidifying community ties.

So I don't know, I totally agree with you, and I don't understand how you cannot look at what your own culture has created and not see that you are inevitably watering it down, bringing in people who have no interest in it.

One of the things that the Reno Camu that I mentioned the book, is they called the enemy of the disaster.

He does us say, he makes a distinction.

You can assimilate individuals, you cannot assimilate whole cultures and like groups.

So conceivable point.

If we could do this really surgically, and we felt the need to have it.

It's above all about racial diversity.

It's about white people wanting people of color among them.

We could do that, I mean, there's because we all know.

I mean, they're fantastic people from the Third World who are utterly motivated by success and want to participate in democracy.

We can select them.

But to just say, en mass we're going to bring everybody in because we're too white, is just it's just extraordinary, and it's never symmetrical.

Nobody, I'll you know, Africa is not saying we're too black Subsaharan Africa, we're too black, we need to bring in whites.

In fact, remember when Washington, d c.

Used to hear about the what's happened to the Chocolate City there's too many white people moving in.

And New Orleans.

Now you're absolutely right.

You know, I was just thinking about this because I was thinking about some of the Third World immigrants I know and I love, and they're funny and fun But what America the sort of immigration we were used to up until Teddy Kennedy's Immigration Act, and it's just getting to be too much.

Yeah, some diversity is fun, but it's like seasoning a chicken.

You want it as seasoning.

But the main dish here is the chicken.

And if you just dump a gallon of salt on it, you're just eating salt.

You are just changing the meal.

It's salt you're eating.

It's not chicken at all.

But yeah, no, I mean I understand that and agree with some level of diversity.

But oh my gosh, I think we have it now.

We're all set.

We got our Mexican restaurants.

Well, you know, the whole premise of multiculturalism is that they don't assimilate.

Yes, assimilate why you know, they need to lose the multiculturalism.

So it's implicitly recognizing that these are very different cultures and we want them to water down our own culture.

And what I don't understand, and you know, we see this with the the just incredible tantrum that's being thrown against Trump and Ice.

Why can the culture decide no more?

We want to stay the same?

Why must why must every Why must the wets immigrants?

West's immigration policies always be set by people outside of any country, because right now, that's how it works.

Americans don't decide what their level of immigration is.

The level of immigration is decided by the collective decision of millions of non Americans to come in.

That creates our de facto immigration policy.

What if we just said so, we like the way we are.

And you know, Japan, the Wall Street Journal and Robin Manuel used to always bash Japan.

If you've got to take more immigrants, bad, bad Japan, You're too homogenous, and they would just basically say f you.

Although I hear they are their immigration policies are are weakening now they bringing them in, but.

They're flipping back and we got like five minutes of it, and that's really good.

With the note Prime Minister, you think that's good.

I'm actually amazed.

That's interesting because I'm other than defined your articles.

I don't read the Wall Street Journal, but I know they've just been pedaled to the metal.

Anyone, any immigrants is better than any American.

I'm amazed the Japan ever crossed their lips.

Do they ever mention Israel and their immigration policy, because those are the two countries I'd like to emulate.

Yeah, no, they really don't like Japan.

And it's obviously Israel's in a category by itself.

And you know, the argument they would usually make is the argument from economics is just you're just going to destroy yourself.

Well, that's their choice, you know, let's have the let's have it out.

Let's see who does better.

Pan's economy is massive, it is so disproportionally massive compared to its GDP, it's population.

They're doing pretty damn well despite you know, the I guess the received wisdom is not so great economic policies in the eighties, but I'm not a judge of that.

But in any case, if they if a country wants to say we like the way we are, if a Swiss village wants to say we like the way we are, we do not think if we allow a lot of Somalians in here, or people from Soudan or Nigeria, we will not be the same.

That's their right.

Who are you to say they can't have their own decision over their own future given what they've come out of.

And again, every other in the world is allowed to do that, but Western nations.

Yes, yes, you know, on your point, which I want you to talk about before we end, the left's hatred that sort of leads inevitably to assassinations and oh my gosh, they are violent, and we know they're violent, and you have the two assassination attempts on Trump and just this hideous public execution of Charlie Kirk.

What it's much like, Well, the Trump's destroying democracy, let's take his name off the ballot.

And in Germany, the AfD is destroying democracy.

We must crush them, don't let the people find out about them.

Well, you also get the same thing with the other you were talking about, Oh my gosh, this is such an obsession with the left that whenever you're talking about immigration, oh, they're demonizing the other, the other.

Well, the one group I see demonized as the other pretty much NonStop is our right wingers, our conservatives.

I mean, we've spent time.

I was just on a PBS panel at the and I don't know if they cut this from the final program.

At the end, black Professor regular on MSNBC started talking about which had nothing to do with anything, but he quoted some you know, we're supposed to be listening to one or another, and then he quoted I forget who was Ralph Ellison or something, who said, you think I don't have a right The white man doesn't think I have a right to live?

Why should I listen to you, and I was thinking, okay, but that quote really applies more now to everyone I hear on MSNBC constantly calling any anyone right of center fascist, authoritarian, white supremacist.

Ooh, that's huge, white supremacist.

So aren't you making us be the other and a pretty ugly and frightening other that a fascist.

Wouldn't you go back in time and kill Hitler?

No, they're the ones who are uttering people most of all, And I think that's why you do see this upsurge and assassination attempts against right wingers.

I'm just wanton violence against right wingers.

I know, anti white rhetoric is completely standard.

I mean, every whiteness studies course in the university is just one long white bashing.

You know.

Ironically, they sort of are making a point that I would say they cuts against them when they claim that it's whiteness to be its white to be prompt or it's white to have a nuclear family, or its white to be interested in the facts and accuracy.

Yeah, I mean they mean that as an insult.

And so then there's a lot more, you know, obviously negative comments.

There was several years ago there was a list that was on the web of all of the epithets that is one can find on black Twitter against white people, and it was really something.

But that's all viewed as just standard empirical discourse, whereas if one says anything empirical about the other side, that that's basically racist.

And Andy McCarthy of National Review made an interesting quite recently.

You know, all of that.

I can't keep up with the flory of lawsuits about Trump's deployment of the National Guard to various cities that are up in arms against heaven forbid, we actually enforce the immigration law, like the ideas that once an immigrant comes into the country, there should be nothing that ever happens to them.

You know, we've talked about this before.

You can't make an immigrant an illegal immigrant live in fair that's just so mean.

Don't make it fearful of being deported, in my views, but that's the you've assumed the risk, Like what do you think should happen?

Do you do?

This is the legal consequence?

You should always be in fear of being deported because that's what you've done.

That the law says you are now eligible to deportation anyway, So we have this huge tantrum.

You know, Pritzker said, you come for my people, you come through me, so as people are all the illegal immigrants in Chicago.

So Trump is invoking various statutes to justify calling up the National Guard, and sometimes you know that one of the languages sort of thrown around is insurrection, rebellion, and the courts.

Basically, he's not been doing so great in the courts.

I guess he got an appellate ruling in the Ninth Circuit that was okay, it sort of says suspended an injunction at the trial court from San Francisco.

But elsewhere in the Seventh Circuit in Chicago, he's not doing well.

But the left is saying these it was really violent in Los Angeles, It's been less violent.

Los Angeles was an absolute nightmare of just the most violent, lethal, potentially lethal attacks on both ice officers and regular police officers.

So that was I think just a clear case where it's perfectly legitimate to call in federal troops to protect federal agents going about their lawful duties.

Elsewhere, not clear it's been quite that bad in any case.

They're all saying, this is not an insurrection, this is not a rebellion against the authority the government.

Crumpian do this at the same time that they're claiming that the little stroll through the Capitol was an insurrection and that these people were about to rebel against the very authority of the United States government and they should all be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.

So it's a complete double standard.

Now, there was violence on January sixth, and there was totally unacceptable violence against police officers, But by and large, this three hour tantrum temper tantrum by the diluted doesn't even come close to the violence that has been directed at ice officers under Trump and his efforts to finally belatedly enforce the immigration laws.

Well.

Also, everyone seems to forget about the President sending the National Guard to Little Rock to desegregate a school.

Was a school saying we're going to have separate and I mean, I'm all for that, but I think they are too.

Is a school saying we have separate but equal schools?

Is that an insurrection?

And yet that's like the most celebrated moment in history.

So I don't think it has to be an insurrection.

It can just be to enforce the law.

It's also very weird.

I think it's weird, as you've indicated, this idea that enforcing the law, they have to come out in force and prevent this from happening.

You know, how about when Giuliani was going after I don't know insider traders.

Why why aren't they throwing themselves in front of Wall Street banks?

No, no, you can actually a lot of those were BS cases anyway, But what other laws will they do?

They feel the right to say, no, you can't enforce this law.

It's a law.

This law, it was passed by the House Senate, signed into various presidents of both loitical parties.

These are the laws.

This idea that Trump by enforcing the law is doing something outrageous and white supremacist.

It's just utter madness.

What other laws are we not allowed to enforce?

It's utter madness.

And as you say, it's the utter end of civilization.

You have to abide by the law.

The reason, you know, the correction is you go and change the law.

You don't get to decide.

And this is where it's so absolutely pernicious when you have these left wing prosecutors saying we're not going to prosecute resisting arrest.

You don't have the right to resist the authority of a police officer if you think he's acting illegally.

The solution is not to beat him up run from him.

The solution is to take it to court, challenge it after the fact.

Because once the people that whose duty is to maintain civil peace, and again we're we're just fat and lazy and ignorant.

We've forgotten how violent human impulses are and how fragile civil peace is.

Yes, people will our mob animals.

They will they love treading their enemies, tearing them limb to limb.

Or you cannot assume that this state of coexistence is natural to human beings.

It's not.

So.

Yeah, you do not get on an individual basis to decide yourself whether you're going to be the law.

On your point, Anne about it's the left that hates the point I was trying to make in those articles, which was that it is the left's rhetoric about hate speech and hating which gives them, like they creates the the preconditions or the excuse, the pretext for themselves using violence.

And and I just find that whole rhetoric in the universe.

It came out of the universities of calling any disagreement hate really pathetic, ridiculous, narcissistic again, like, no, I actually don't hate you, I just disagree with you.

And for you to say that I hate you if I believe that biology and sexual identity is biological and it is based in the genetic code and it is when sex is instantiated in every cell in one's body.

To then turn around and narcissistically say, oh, you hate me is completely self involved.

It has nothing to do with you personally.

I don't give a damn about you.

I give it excience and the truth.

But they all turn everything into hate, and then any dissenting speech is hate speech, and then they have this whole set of syllogisms that if it's hate speech, it's not protected by the Constitution because there's this exception to the First Amendment that nobody's ever heard of before except for the Academy leftists, that there's a hate speech exception to First Amendment.

And our Attorney General under Trump, did you hear that?

Absolutely, Pam Bondi, that was really bad and she never really sufficiently apologized for that ignorance and the same thing with Brendan Carr, you know, is mafio.

So like we can do this the easy way or the hard way, you know, Disney good, Jimmy Kimmel not good at all, not good, because they'll do it worse to us.

They already have, but they'll still do it worse anyway.

So I think the problem is this rhetoric around hate and hate speech, which means you at least get to cancel haters and draw, you know, drive them off campus, like Amy Wax.

But it turns out if you're Tyler Robinson, you believe because as he said, and as the petition against Kirk coming to you know, Utah Valley University said, Trump is rather, excuse me, Charlie Kirk is a hater and therefore puts all us marginalized populations at risk that if somebody is a hater, that gives you the license to kill them, because they will otherwise inflict lethal hate upon everybody else.

Yes, yes, I think you said you can't negotiate with hate.

Yeah, exactly, So the killers are getting very self righteous.

Thank you, liberals.

And once again I've kept you over an hour.

I thank you so much.

It's been too long and Man, your articles are great.

Everybody has got to read Heather McDonald in City Journal.

If you haven't already read When Race Trump's Merit, you must go out and buy and read it right now then, Francis Parkman, thanks Heather, Thank you so much.

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