The way I wrote it on my guitar was different than how my producer played it, and then he kept it and I still wanted it taken out and I got, you know, majority vote.

I lost.

Welcome to episode five with Colby Calais and we talked about a lot of stuff, including her new album and it's a duets album, and she got some big time hits way back in the day two thousand and seven.

She had bubbly Starts in my Toes, makes Me Cream Cool my Nose, and then she had the song with Jason Moraz that won a Grammy.

They did that together and that's lucky.

This is my best friend.

Is that good or no?

I think I got it okay, And then she had if you just realized that was a.

Really good song.

Yeah that one?

Yeah, thank you.

Colby Calay ran.

Into her just randomly in my car.

I didn't hit her, but I like sorrow took her out.

I saw her and then I was like, hey, come over, I know you got new music.

Come over to the house, and she did, and this is that her new album.

It's called This Time Around, and she's doing a Christmas tour with Gavin de Gral.

She has some you know, festival dates coming up and you can go Colbyclai dot com and you can see that.

But she's one of the I think it was one of the MySpace.

Yeah music folks.

Lady A is in that category too, because they formed on MySpace or they say they formed on my Space.

I'm not sure.

You never know what story's true or not.

We formed on my space.

We did.

You did message me on my that's correct.

I like Colby a lot.

I also find it interesting how she kind of challenged me at the end of this, and I think if she wasn't comfortable.

She wouldn't have done that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty good Colby Calay Episode five point forty and all that stuff would be in the notes if you want to go get tickets to her shows and her and Gavin's Christmas show.

Here she is, Colby Calay.

All right, Colby Calay is here.

Hi, Colby Hi.

I was listening to your record and I'm a massive Amousley fan.

Oh my god, like massive massive and such a fan that the last show that I went to, he completely blew his voice out.

It was here in town, could not sing a song.

He was okay, So he was just chatting or what was.

He He was getting people to sing his songs for him because he was sick, and like, I've been in those places where I'm like trying to do a stand up show and I got no voice and I'm struck.

But it was still like, it was still like a moment.

It was okay, you guys weren't upset that he didn't cancel the show?

No, because I think most empathetic people would go, I've been in a similar situation, and so I felt bad for him, and I think had it been a crappy show, because I did see a show recently with it was Blues Traveler, remember them, Yeah, of course, yeah, those guys and their lead singer got sick and they brought up the guy from Spin Doctors and he was trying to sing, but he was singing with like lyrics on a page, And I thought that didn't seem fun.

That it wasn't a moment.

No, that's not.

But he had people coming up and singing kind of with him.

But it just kind of confirmed to me like a lot of his show and a lot of his music is about his feeling and emotion.

It is he's a true artist.

I'll bring that up because you guys did bubble together.

Yes, we did.

We became friends like almost a year ago, and you know, it's always as an artist, like it's nerve wracking to ask someone to sing on your music.

And since we were new friends, I was really scared about it.

But I sent him a voice note and I was like, I know this is maybe annoying, but will you sing on Bubbly?

And he said yes, and he recorded it at his house in Pennsylvania and he came up with all these really cool background ideas for the bridge, and.

Yeah, I just love him.

He's such a he's he's literally the playlist that I always put on any every day and so I have to pinch myself that I'm friends with him and he's on my song.

If he had sent a track back that you didn't love, would you have said anything?

Well?

He actually had so funny.

I was like I loved his verse and I was like, hey, can you try one more time with like because we were trying to decide like what octave, like if you should do it in a higher octave And he's like, oh, so you hate it, And I was like, no.

That's the artist sensitivity.

Yeah, I think I would have done the same thing first.

But I was.

I was very I was.

I was complimentary, but I get it.

I would have probably felt the same, but no, he was.

He made a joke about it.

Did you feel weird sending him a note?

Yes, because I didn't want him to get like the thing is I said it at the beginning.

I was like, we either want it low octave or high octave, and then he was like, I'm just going to do I think the low.

And then I was like, okay, but can we also hear the high?

So you know, I wanted options.

That's cool that he was able to go, yeah, sure, I'll modify this.

But got a friend who had had Rivers Cuomo from Weezer on a song and I love Weezer like massive, and River was like, no, this is what I did.

That's it.

Yeah, and she was like cool, I then that's what we'll use.

And so both I respect both of them mlily, but that's super cool to get somebody that you love music like do your music with you.

It's so cool and yet to that point, like if you know yourself as an artist, like, no, this is this is what I want it to sound like.

For me, then you should respect.

That that song specifically, did you think about who would be perfect for it?

Because that's your most stream song by far, I think, yeah.

That one was really hard.

I really didn't have many people that I wanted on that song, where other songs I you know, there could have been.

I had a variety of people I was a fan of and wanted, but for Bubbly, I just think it's a hard song to sing.

And I hate to say it, but when I hear people's covers, I usually don't like them for that song, and so I wanted to be very careful on who I was going to have on that and I when I became friends with Amos, I'm like, oh my god, he would be so good.

So am I saying his name wrong?

I would say Amos, Lee.

It's Amos.

Sorry I learned it's Amos.

Yeah, okay.

I was calling him Amos and and he.

Would yeah, he'd give you a note.

I don't know.

I don't know if he'd give me a note, but yeah, it was.

I think he was like telling a story and he said his name and I was like, oh my god, it's Amos.

How have I been signing it?

Wrongs all time.

I have full parts of my life, like I would say half decades that I associate with his music, like.

Different records, yep.

And I think that's what's really cool about music too, is there will be artists.

Because I grew up in a rural town in Arkansas, and so country music was very much a part of my life, but it wasn't all of it because growing up in the nineties, I was very much an alternative kid, and I went to a school that wasn't all white, so it was a lot of hip hop and you.

Know wheezer, he said, yeah, And I think we had.

The ability to grow up in digital music even when it was napster or LimeWire, so we were able to be influenced a lot easier by things that weren't just regional if you're from California, Arkansas, like it didn't matter.

And so you know, for me to have all of those different influences and even musical heroes like I got to hang out with one of mine yesterday, which was John Fogerty from Cretan's clut Water Revival.

Yeah, he was his eighty so we wouldn't be having dinner together normally.

But I was heavily influenced.

I've been able to download or stream as music.

But I had a really good couple of hours.

With him yesterday.

Do you ever get to meet any of your musical heroes?

Yes, John Mayor, Lauren Hill, Fleeywood Macca had known from.

Bleywood maca oh, yeah, from going up.

That's right.

I was gonna say, what a flex, but I knew I know the story.

Yeah, yeah, but.

All of the I mean, it's to be a fan of someone's artistry, voice, songwriting and to get to meet them.

I remember I didn't even want to meet Lauren.

I was at we were at our show and my best friend was like, we're gonna go backstage and say hi, and I was like, I don't want to, like, I don't want anything to ruin this.

But she was lovely and it was short and sweet and that was it.

But I did that with Adam Durretz and he called me out for a way later because I did not want to meet him.

I had heard he was difficult.

I heard counting crows.

Because to be that artistic and that different, you have to be different.

Yeah, Like I think a lot of times people don't realize that to create something great, there has to be a screw loose, and a lot of times it's the right screw for that for that, yeah, but a lot of times it's not the right screw for like interpersonal communication.

No, it's a very awkward.

And so I'd heard a lot like just Enjoy because that's my favorite band growing up, and I was like, don't want to meet him, not going.

To meet him?

Yeah, And maybe two years later he was with me, and we had spent a little time together since and he was actually and maybe he had grown out of it a bit, but he was just the opposite with me, so generous with his time and his answers and even communicating out of a professional space.

And he was like, remember that one time you did not want to come backstage?

Yeah, they told me, And I was like, yeah, I didn't want to meet you.

I didn't want to ruin it.

And he was like I totally get it, yeah, because I.

Have like a connection association with people I don't even know because of all the energy and I think emotions I felt while their stuff was playing absolutely or affecting me even absolutely.

Yeah, you just don't want to you want that to stay the memory of them, your.

Thought of them.

So John Mayer, I had a brief friendship relationship with him where we would hang out a little bit if I was in La or if I was or if he was here.

Yeah, And I don't think he would mind me saying this, Like peculiar guys.

He's he's very interesting, and he's very intelligent, super quick, so quick, so intelligent to the point where you're like, I don't know if I can have a conversation.

It's so hard because he's next level with what he speaks about in the words he uses.

So he's an interesting man.

I felt like he was so peculiar and interesting in a lovely way that I was so disinteresting to him.

That's how.

Yeah.

I was like, I'm not interesting him.

There's no way that what I want to talk about, which is nineties wrestling and Nirvana, he doesn't want to have this conversation.

That's not true.

He can talk about all of it.

I think he just the way he speaks makes you feel like he thinks maybe less.

So how's Nashville been for you in general?

You've been here long enough now to be home.

Yeah, it's home.

I've been here for nine years.

I love it.

I think like, as you know, it's like a community.

Everyone's friends with everyone.

You run into people everywhere.

I ran into you on my street, Like it's just a small town.

It's a big city, but it's a small town feel.

And I love the community and the friendships that I built.

And you know, during COVID being here and having everyone off the road like people, we all got to actually build some really strong friendships and I really just feel like it's home to me.

I love it.

I was in an area near your house, and I was at my manager's house and I was pulling out and I had just been listening because I am friends with Ryan Hurd.

Yeah, who is my friend, and also I love his music and it's that rare combination it is, and so i'd.

Just been listening to it that the evening before.

I'm driving and I see someone with a large dog and I was like Cole, and I'm on the phone, like it's the speaker and you're on the phone, and everything about it was wrong, every track, and I stopped in the middle.

I was like, callby, and I don't think anybody knows who I am.

And I'm like, hey, it's Bobby bones, you know the guy.

It's like back to the future.

Hey, it's your cousin.

Totally.

I was like, I know who you are.

But it's I mean, you know, it's good to get in context.

But it was very funny.

I was glad you said hello, and.

I was like, I love your song, and so a little bit.

I was like, we've met before and spent a little time together in different different places.

But I was like, your song with Ryan so good.

I was just listening and I wasn't full of crap, which is why I think I recognized you so quick, because you had been somewhat top of mind.

Yeah, with you and Ryan.

See, I didn't think I was even I was like, how did he even recognize me?

I think I was in like pajamas, walking on my street, hair and a bun, like dogs on a phone, all of that.

But I was so glad that you said hi, and that you were listening to that song.

Yeah, how did you and Ryan get together to do that?

So Jimmy Robbins and Eric Argis are my producers for this album, and they work with everyone and they're friends with everyone, and they were they were like.

You want to write with Ryan?

I was like I love his voice, that would be awesome.

So they had that connection.

They had a few of the connections that I was fans of these artists and they were already friends with them and work with them, so they did the ask for me.

But the rest of the record, I already knew the artists and was friends with and fans of.

So yeah, that's kind of how that song came about and wrote it together.

What are you and your musical friends talk about musically like you're real friends.

Well, you know Gavin de Grau, he's one of my best friends, and we'll talk about music.

It's great to be able to relate to like the hard, like the difficult things about the industry and things that we can that can frustrate us, and also the successes of it.

But we don't I mean, if we're like traveling or touring together, we'll talk about band and music, but mostly we talk about I mean, he.

Talks about politics a lot.

We'll talk about life things, so I wouldn't say it's necessarily music.

I like Gavin a lot.

Gavin taught me a trick once we were in the airport and we had flown back, not together, but we were on the same flight from New York.

Yeah, and he was like by I was like, Gavin, we did our.

Thing, and so his seat was like behind mine and we didn't do the awkward turning around.

Yeah, kind of like, hey, we like each other.

But we were like, I'm not going to be awkward bodies and try to talk on the plane.

Yeah.

So we land and somebody had come up and said, hey, buy bones, I get a picture, and someone had stopped Gavin on the way out, and I just took a picture on the hand.

Of the phone.

And somebody goes, that's not what you do.

He goes, here's what you do.

When they come up as they take a picture, You grab the phone from them and take a selfie of both of you hand the phone back.

Yep.

Therefore you don't get trapped.

Nope, you don't get trapped.

I do that too.

You got to control the situation.

I was like, that is great.

That's my Gavin de girl trick.

It's a good trick.

Also.

That reminds me.

Do you remember years ago we were on the same plane together and.

Yes, with your man at your you're somebody I.

Think it was my fiance at the time, was it not?

Was it my manager.

Yeah, I think it was your a dude manager.

Yeah, he's my same manage Okay, yeahda.

So this is funny because I was in front of you and you never said high or anything like what.

I never want to bother anybody.

Well, but you were filming me and posting it and I get off we land and I have all these texts that are like did you see Bobby's bones?

And I was like, what are you talking about?

And You're like, there's Colby going to the bathroom.

There's cool beginning.

Well, to be fair, you weren't actually going to the bathroom.

No, no, but like walking whatever it was.

I was like, oh, I'm sorry about that.

I like to apologize.

You never said high never.

I like to formally apologize.

Yeah I should have said hi.

But how to people either?

I feel like nobody wants to talk to.

Me, same like, why would I ever go up?

My manager is always like, there's whoever it is, go say hi.

I'm like, no, absolutely not.

I'm embarrassed of that story because I don't remember it, but it does sound like something.

I would do.

You don't remember it.

I remember sitting next to your manager because I remember him telling me where he lived, and I used to live there in that neighborhood and I sat right next to him and.

So, but a different time then it was a different flight.

Yeah, maybe it was.

Yeah, I think that was a different flight.

Well, well, I would like to normally apologize for that.

If then, if it wasn't with your manager, I must have thought you didn't know I was on that flight, and so I thought I was completely Well.

We hadn't met yet, so I think, and then we've known each other now over the years, but I remembered that today.

I was like, oh my god, I forgot that happens.

So I wanted to bring it up.

Oh yeah, I'm pretty embrassed by that way back in the day.

Oh, let's just do embarrassing for us to do it.

We had met before before that, we.

Had Oh now you're embarrassing.

Why to remember people?

Yeah, you wouldn't because it was like twelve thirteen years prior.

Oh okay, yeah, and I was just in Austin, Texas and you were just doing your million radio stops.

Oh, it was one of those.

It was a factory that was hard for me at that time.

I was so nervous and it was just such a like onto the next thing that it really like, I don't remember a lot of things, like where I think trauma kind of came into play, which sounds really dramatic, but I was so nervous about all of it that I it's like it just wiped away right out of my mind.

I would think even if you were in the happiest time ever, you wouldn't have remembered.

I assume at that stage of anyone's career, and I've seen it now a few times, even with friends, you're meeting so many people so many times.

Yeah, you're meeting five people in a city, especially when you're a new art Yeah, there is no way.

And I would just bring that up because I felt bad.

I wanted to feel a little bad.

But in that case too, it's like you, I didn't know at the time that I was going to keep doing radio interviews and and keep seeing these people.

So I think if I had paid attention to that more, I would have been like, no, I'm not talking about maybe remembering you, I'm just meeting Like yeah, but yeah, that's so.

We've known each other for a long time.

We are twenty year friends, which is which is great.

Jason Maraz what's he up to?

He is living in San Diego and he's doing a tour this fall, actually in Europe, and I think he's making I actually can't say what he's making because I don't know if he's announced it yet, but he's making a record and he's sang.

On this yeah, which I that was another thing.

I was scared to ask him because you know, the original was on his album, and so I was like, are you okay if I redo this?

And obviously he's the only person I would have sing on it.

And that's another time where we weren't together.

He was.

He recorded from San Diego and I recorded it here in Nashville.

My favorite song is Realize.

Oh yeah, it's my favorite song that you ever did back in that era, because I think there are different Kolby eras.

I think Realize is my favorite song.

And get Mitchell Tinpenny on that track.

Do you like this version?

Like honestly?

Uh?

So it's yes and no.

But the no is only because you have such an attachment to the original totally.

So if I'm answering, honestly, yes, because I like Mitchell a lot and I think the version's cool.

Yeah.

But if I'm going to pick one to listen to because I have an attachment with that time of my life, that makes sense, still going to listen to that nostalgia?

That's yes, this associated to it.

Yeah.

How did the Mitchell llab come together?

We had been friends just from being in town and it was really funny.

I was about to go on stage and I get a text from Mitchell asking me if I would sing on.

One of his songs.

And I was planning on texting him the next day asking if he would sing on Realize.

And so when he said when he texted me, I was like, yes, and also will you sing I Realize?

And he freaked out, which was so cute because he's like, I grew up like in high school.

Well, I was listening to that song.

I would blast it on the way to school and I know every harmony to it.

So he had an attachment and you know, a memory with that song.

So and he just his voice is so great.

He's such a great singer.

This is my favorite version because I love all of the ad libs he did.

And you know when I listened to my original version, I sound so young.

That's why I wanted to redo these songs.

Do you get asked most of any question ever?

Can I predict the question you get asked the most?

Sure?

I would think the question you get asked the most is did you know that we're going to leave that part of Bubbly?

And when you say will you count me in?

That is a that's probably yeah, Like I would go.

Into an interview going okay, just get out of the way.

Yeah, it's I actually wanted it taken out because I was embarrassed by it, because I, although I wrote the song, the way I wrote it on my guitar was different than how my producer played it, and so I kept coming in at the wrong time when I came in form my vocal, and so I just was like, will you.

Count me in?

And he was like yeah, I was so cute, and I was like, that is not cute, that's embarrassing.

And then he kept it and everyone liked it, and I was I still wanted it taken out and I got, you know, majority vote.

I lost.

So I know you and Gavin are doing the Christmas tour?

Are you doing all Christmas songs?

No, We're gonna do some of our hits for sure, and then we're going to do.

We're still figuring it out, but we're Our plan is probably to just be on stage together the whole time and maybe seeing harmonies on each other's singles, and then do some Christmas duets together.

We're going to record a Christmas song together soon.

Are you on the road a lot?

Now?

I'm not.

No, I don't.

I don't enjoy touring that much.

I like to play like little little sections of shows, but no, I should tour more.

What about touring do you not like?

I don't like being gone.

I like being home.

I like being in my routine, being around like friends and family.

I think being on the.

Road I would I would get depressed a lot because I just found it to be like, I don't know.

I'm also not a night person, Like I found it so weird that I'd have to wait all day and then play a show at night, and being on a tour bus is hard.

Packing the suitcase every day was just tough for me.

So those kinds of things, it's I think every every artist says this.

It's the travel that you get paid for playing the show.

I loved I had that.

If I would, actually, I'd love to do a residency.

I think that would be fun because then you're just staying put and you still get to play for fans.

And you still get paid.

Sleeping in your bed.

Well, I did, I think eight shows here at a theater right after COVID.

I did eight stand up shows before I was wanted to sit.

I wanted tour this show, and at eight in a row here and it was awesome.

Oh cool, because after you do your initial okay, and I was doing stand ups, service out well not even it's just also like the sound check that after the first show you can go thirty minutes before true and then as soon as it's over it's a home show, so there are more people there.

But then you just go home and go to bed.

It's so nice.

It was the great It was the greatest.

Not to bring Rivers up again, but I was reading an article about him because Weezer had gotten famous and he was out like he was like, I don't like this, I don't like touring.

Yeah, and it's when he went back to Harvard and his letter that he wrote was like, hey, like I'm in a pretty famous band, but it's so lonely.

Yeah.

He was like, people see rock star and they see the time that you're on the stage and the people cheering.

He's like, but it's the rito's and sandwiches and in the back of the buses, and I just don't think this is for me.

And that's why I went back to school because of how isolated.

Well in the backstage is really not it's not glamorous, it's funky.

So yeah, it's like you feel like you're waiting around all day.

Sometimes you get to see new cities and enjoy it, so it's not all bad, but just to do it consistently.

I don't know how artists tour for months at a time.

I don't know how artists tour.

Yeah, just the rock and roll style because here it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, sometimes just Friday Saturday and then come home.

I love that.

Yeah, it's great thought about country touring.

It's great.

You get to have your life home with your family, still doubtle, like, let work be a part of your week, not just like all or nothing.

That's also weird when you just have so much time at home doing nothing.

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How often do you travel.

Seasonal meaning if it feels like I'm working at Christmas.

But if I was touring, I tore it all the way up until I did a special when we put that out, then I didn't tour Comedy Moore or if I was doing a TV show, I would be gone.

But for the past like nine months, none, okay, And then I started felt nice parts of it.

But then I start to feel like I don't matter anymore totally.

It's a weird thing.

Like it doesn't matter what I do.

I'm going to find the reason that I'm sad because of it, for sure.

I think that's just like the you get so used to it.

Yeah, and then it's like, well, if I'm not out, I'm not game.

I'm like, there's no momentum being gained.

So hard about this industry is you do always feel like you have to and you kind of do always have to stay in it, but it can it should be for the right reasons.

But we all have that.

We all have that thought process or people forgetting about us.

And it's interesting.

I did find though, when I would go and when I was touring, because I will do the radio show to the podcast or whatever I'm doing, but I don't connect with people directly when I'm in a room or it's just you and I, there's no but there's our teams here, but there's nobody else here.

Do you do meet and greets?

So I do it shows, and that's when I really got the best and most real feedback validation.

For why I do what I do.

It's true, and I think I miss that sometimes too.

That is something I've loved about when I have meet and greets, and I usually do like a VIP meet and greet where they come to all do three songs acoustic on stage when it's just them and and they get to ask me questions in between the songs, and I feel.

Like it's like I get to share.

It's like a storytelling and we get to kind of bond a little bit, and I get to know them and they get to know me.

And it does make it more enjoyable.

Because you are just talking, speaking, singing to a crowd, and to have that feedback is important.

If you could do it again, would you have gotten as famous as young?

I just wasn't prepared for any of it.

I had never performed live, I was an introvert, I had stage fright.

I was not one of those artists that had been doing it for years, that had been that had a band that was already out on the road, or even like I would always think, like a lot of my cousins, like they're just so outgoing and fun.

I was like, why didn't I have that gene?

Because I doing interviews were so torturous for me, and being on live TV was so hard.

Like I'm not joking, like.

I would cry before, Like I'd be wiping tears before they like I was live on camera.

So for me, if I was just more prepared, then I could have enjoyed it more.

And I feel like I would have been proud of how I handle everything better.

Are you still a little bit that person?

Though?

Totally?

That never goes away, But I at least have the experience under my belt, and I know, like you have, there's techniques that you practice that you that you use to get more comfortable talking to people or going on stage or even even TV.

It's not as terrifying as it was, but I think it's always in me.

I'm not like Gavin's different.

Gavin's just like, let's do it.

He's excited to sing.

He's not nervous, he's excited to talk to people, and that's something I've always wished.

That I had.

Will you watch things back without being hypercritical of yourself?

No, Yeah, I just went through this and had a mild breakdown.

So my stage coach was like, you know, at one point, she's like, we have to watch the show back every night, and then you get to make notes on because like, I'll do our movement and it's like so small, but I think it's like huge, and so you have to watch it back to know how to improve.

But it is brutal, it can be.

Yeah, so I don't do it, but you did it, And in that.

Will, Well, what happened is I went and did the a bunch of these shows I did.

I was a guest on a bunch of shows promoting an NFL project that I'm doing.

And while I was there, they.

Just put out a bunch of clips because you know, these go up in long form, but they also clip the good stuff to get you to go check out the.

Long form version of it.

And so all these clips of me came out last week and I hated every one of them and I had to stop watching them.

Yeah, because I hated everything I said, and like how I said it?

Yeah, and I was so overly critical that I'm like, why do I even do this?

Then I went down that path like why do I go on anybody else's shows?

You know?

It's so good about you saying that?

Though?

Is that I feel that.

I think a lot of people feel that, And then you feel like you're the only one that is so critical and have like imposter syndrome or whatever it is, and no one else is thinking that of you.

It's what we think of ourselves.

But it Yeah, I'm like, wait, that's the angle that they filmed me at, Like I put all that work into it and that's how I ended up looking, or that's how I responded it, Like you can forget things on the spot.

So, but do you always feel that way when you watch stuff or when you because I mean you do this all the time.

With time, it's weird because with time and if there is success in whatever that moment was, I it's palatable.

Yeah, meaning I give you a really weird example because it's a bit fresh in mind.

Every year around this time they announced the new cast of Dancing with the Starts.

Now, I won that show years ago and so if I'm doing anything around that time, everybody just wants to ask about it, and I get it.

Yeah, it's a part of the it's a great part of my story.

I don't talk about it that often unless it's brought up or there's a reason to.

And so people were asking a lot about it, and I couldn't watch I couldn't watch my dances forever because I was terrible.

I was really bad.

You were I got better, but I won because of one I got better, yes, and the fan vote, Like I dominated the fan vote, and so I won the show.

Couldn't watch a single thing.

I can now watch it a little bit because.

Like, are you proud that you did it?

I'm proud that I won because I wasn't supposed to win.

Okay, it's even like my Like any book I've written, I hated them when I was done, I hated it.

I was embarrassed of it, couldn't read it back, didn't want to go promote it because I was humiliated by it.

Once people were able to go, hey, I loved it, then I was like, maybe it's not so bad.

I had to be convinced it didn't suck.

Do you ever deal with that I do have to be convinced all the time.

I don't like that.

I wish that I could be more kind to myself and more confident in what I do, but I do.

I feel like, in whatever it may be, I'm always wanting to get someone else's like approval first, Like, are you sure that that's good?

Because I'm our worst critics.

Don't you feel that's the edge?

Though?

That actually has us make stuff like we're I make stuff.

I seek validation through making stuff like that for me is why I think I do it.

I started being funny as a kid to feel love from something.

Yeah, so I think that's where it comes from.

Why do you make stuff?

I think it's the creative See, it's the opposite.

Like I actually would have preferred just to be a studio singer, and I always prefer if the cameras are off, Like I just don't really want that side of it, but it's what came with it.

To me.

Songwriting is like therapy.

It's therapeutic and it feels really good to create.

And I always get mad at myself because I'll write a song and then I'll record it and it's so much fun, and then it's like, oh, now you have to.

Go tour it and promote it.

And I hated it so much, but I've learned to love it and I've changed my relationship with it, And I think it just took a lot of time to get to that place.

Do you love things you write right after you write them?

Usually yes?

Do you fall out of love with them?

What's that process or relationship?

Oh, at the beginning.

I think every songwriter can say this, like write when you write your first song, like you are a new song.

You want to listen to it over and over.

It's so exciting that you have a new song.

But as artists, we also don't just like listen to our music.

So you listen for a week and then it just goes, you know, on for everyone else to hopefully listen to.

Will people remind you how good a song is, like your team if it's something you haven't cut, yeah, and go, hey, this song is good you haven't heard and then you can rehear it and kind of reexperience that again.

Oh yeah, for sure.

My manager does it all the time.

There's still some songs he keeps encouraging that I release and I'm like, nope, like it was what I wrote it about was not something that I really relate.

To now or oh that's a good point.

Yeah, and yeah, it just feels like something I don't want.

I would like happily have someone else release it, but not me.

But so the song could be really great.

It could be.

And if you don't still connect, Wow, I never thought about that.

You're like, you know, the song is great, but I don't want to have to sing that or I don't really relate to that anymore.

Yeah, And sometimes that's the right decision.

And sometimes, like my song Brighter than the Sun, I wrote that with Ryan Tetter and I loved it, but like I didn't want to release it.

It wasn't it didn't feel like it fit me.

And I got talked into releasing it, and I'm so glad that I did because it's a it was a big song for me, and also I love playing it live and on tour with my band, And so sometimes you do need to be encouraged and talked out of your own you know, head.

Getting tired of is not the word, but do you ever are you ever exhausted of playing your hits that you've played since you were a kid?

I at one point I think I was when I you know, like when you're promoting Bubbly and you're doing it five times a day and for two years straight.

But now I have a don't I don't feel that way.

I'm excited to play the songs.

I have a new meeting with the songs, like whatever I'm going through in life.

If it's a new relationship or something that a family member is going through, and I sing it on stage, I'm like, Oh, that's what I can relate it to now, So it gives me more excitement having a fresh, a new meaning to it.

Do you mostly write with a concept lyrics or will you create a melody and then build around it?

Mostly?

Oh, mostly, I would say starts with melody where I accidentally am playing guitar and melody comes out, and then there's usually like a word or two that comes out with the melody that you subconsciously are thinking of, and then you kind of go in that direction.

There's times where I've had a lyric idea and then I wanted to write, like I'll bring it into a session and that's what we write about, and or just a concept like Liz Rose, who's a huge writer, I would always She's like my therapist, and I'd always bring a concept into her and be like, I, this is what I'm feeling, this is what I'm going through.

Now help me say it in a beautiful way.

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How important is it defined somebody?

And I know Liz and she's awesome.

Yeah, that you can trust with vulnerability.

Because songwriting is very much here are all my guts.

Now, let's create something that maybe's catchy.

Yeah, it's so special, And that's why I usually choose to keep writing with the same people because it's uncomfortable.

First album I just wrote with my friend Jason Reeves, so that was comfortable for me.

And after that my label started putting me in the room with all these incredible writers and producers, but I didn't know them and it was really nerve wracking for me.

But eventually they became my friends and I felt comfortable with them.

But I've kind of reverted back to that where I'm not really open to writing with new people anymore.

I kind of want to.

I mean, writing with Ryan and.

With Lee Brice for this was that took a lot for me.

I was really nervous about those sessions, but they were great.

It's like a weird first date, except you're with somebody who shares too much, but you have to be the person that shares too much well, And like, what.

If your idea is bad or what if your melody is not as good or you feel like you're not contributing.

That's what I hate is when I am shy and I don't feel like I'm contributing as much as I normally would, because you don't want to be known for that as a writer, that you're not adding much to a song.

So then and again it's all of just up in our heads.

How much do you write?

I don't.

I don't really like the songs that these three songs I wrote are the only songs I wrote this year?

Is that hard to not write?

I feel like you're such a creative.

Can you check out and go like, I'm just not going?

Is it a button you can push?

That's the thing.

I think.

It's always come in waves.

I'll get really inspired and I'll have a lot to say and write about, and then it just goes away and I think I'm living life.

And then in those times, I'm like, oh my God, is it gone?

Can I write songs anymore?

And I know it'll come back.

I think I just right now, I'm in a place of like, I feel like I've said all the things.

I don't know how else to say it.

But Liz is also great shell.

She'll be like, Sweetie, let's let's write a song.

I'm like, I don't really have anything to say.

She's like, there's always something to say, and she'll always pull something out of me too.

So what do you do all day?

It's a great question.

Lately, I've been back into yoga and trying to like get my health in check.

I think all summer I was I started to feel really unhealthy, and so I'm just trying to take care of myself promoting this new record.

Do you do hot yoga?

I do hot yoga.

I think I'm gonna go tonight.

Oh yeah, it's so good.

It's so good.

I'm the weird I don't sweat that much, but I sweat like crazy.

It's like when the seal is broken.

Yeah, a water just rushes out of me.

And I get kind of embarrassed because I can't do all the moves, like I'm not like slipping or Yeah, I'm not flexible and I slip a lot, and I won't take my shirt like I This is just goes back to the insecurity stuff.

There's like dudes in there who are ripped and take their shirt off.

I admire them.

They are dudes in there who aren't riped and take their shirt off, and I admire them.

Yeah, and I'm like somewhere in the middle, like I'm in good shape, but I'm definitely not ripped, and I just I'm so embarrassed.

I won't take my shirt off, even though it'd be so much easier on me because I'm just soaking wet in this thing.

But that's the whole point of the class.

It's like you're like, even if you can't do all the positions, and they just say do it, like you can lay on the mat half of the class if you want to.

I love hot yoga.

It helps my mind.

I think it's the best thing for my body.

And I've been doing cryotherapy lately and in.

Fred's sauna.

And walks like going to Percy Warner and doing the stairs and all that.

Do you do any like hikes or walks?

So we we have an infraret so on it that we had got here, which is awesome.

I'm gonna go unto a rich guy mode for a second because I haven't always been rich, but now I have the weird stuff.

That I get to have.

It's nice to have it at home.

We have a red light therapy bed.

Nice.

That's good.

It's crazy.

I've been doing that too.

That's cool.

It doesn't tan you, though you kind of wish do a tan I do anyway.

I've heard that it can give you some little glow.

Yeah, but I want to put like the bunny on and then get out and you take the sticker off and it shows the bunny, you know.

I was thinking that the other day in the bed.

I was like, wait, why isn't this also a tanning?

Exactly my question?

And also there's the cancer thing.

That's probably that's why for.

The benefits the opposite.

Yeah, for sure.

So we have that and that it's been super cool.

I don't walks are hard, you get bored.

Yeah, my wife likes to walk.

Yeah, so I'll walk with her.

Where do you guys walk because you're you know, we're your neighborhood.

Yes, so we'll go to the park very close.

Yeah, we don't have to like put a pen where we live but close.

Yeah, it's very close to and so we'll do that.

And sometimes she'll go do it by yourself, and yeah.

So we'll do that.

I just I'm not about what's really good for you, though.

I hear you.

I like, I guess twenty minutes, just do twenty minute.

But I feel like if I'm going to dedicate twenty I might as well dedicate an hour and forty and get a great And then if I'm going, well, if I'm gonna walk for an hour forty, why am I Why not just go as hard as I possibly can for fifty minutes and get a crazy good work at it.

But you can get the work out.

And I think just walking is also just good for you in a different way.

I understand that.

I know and listen, and I don't do that.

I'm not good at slowing down.

That's why I don't sleep well.

Yeah, how do you sleep?

Sometimes good and sometimes not.

And there's you know, I'll try to take a gummy occasionally for that.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but xanax is nice sometimes.

But both of those I don't want to get used to, so I just use them for times in need.

I don't know, do you like?

Do you?

I found when I took xanax to try to sleep, because I've tried it all.

Yeah, tried sleeping pills.

Those got real, real messy.

Yeah, because I just know how you would come.

To Yeah, And I knew I was going to wake up on an airplane by naked and be one of those stories that I wouldn't remember.

I drove off with a gas pump in my car once.

Oh so okay, like I have some I.

Got jumped at work, I had a gun held in my head outside of an event.

So I had that kind of that kind of trauma.

Yeah, And so I couldn't sleep.

I've closed my eyes and I would somebody would be attacking me.

Oh god.

And so I went through all things and like I've never had a drink of alcohol, and I stay away from that because of other family trauma.

But when it came to not sleeping, I was sick all the time.

Because if you don't sleep.

Yes, So do you have a hard time going to sleep or is it staying asleep or is it both?

Staying asleep is the hardest thing.

I feel like when I slow my brain down, it starts to question a lot of things and rethink a lot of things.

Why is it that we all do that?

The second we lay in bed, everyone will say this, like we think of all the things in our life that we should have done, or we want to fix or family.

Stuff like alway, a lot of that stuff.

I'm like wishing I could change things or fix things.

And then it that's it makes you stressed and then it makes you not sleep.

It's terrible.

I would wake up and then I doing this.

Oh you ever do that?

You'd physically like physack too.

Like I would.

I would jump.

So I did the sleep at me attest too, just to check.

That's where they strap you up with stuff.

And it was like, yeah, you have it, but it's not the main thing.

I think the main thing was the brain.

What about So did you do therapy or like neuros do?

And I I had two therapists.

That's good.

Yeah, I've done it all.

Yeah, I'm pro everything.

Have you done neurofeedback?

Uh?

Define which version?

Oh?

So I went to like this place called Sarah Set, which they put all these things on your head.

Yeah, and then you just lay there and they play these sounds in your ears.

And so I did that version for sure.

Yeah, because it works out the different parts of your brains and it kind of helps you work through traumas or sleep.

It's supposed to help with all of that.

Yeah, yeah, I did.

Okay, Yeah, I felt like there were certain sounds that made me want to pee though the whole time, which was weird.

They said no one had ever said that, And I feel like with the high tones made me want to pee.

So then I was because the whole time, like is something wrong with me that makes me want to pee when I hear a high time?

It's just me?

So it's an anxiety.

Yeah, it's a bubble.

I have major anxiety too.

I just have social anxiety at all times.

It exhausts me.

It's like I get it's my hermit at my house a lot because I like to.

I know, it's like a safe zone where I won't feel anxious or depleted.

Why did you not say hi to me that time on the plane?

Well, I didn't know you were there until I got off or till I landed, and I saw the text, and then I was like, is he going to come?

Stay hi?

And then you didn't, And then I actually felt weird, and I.

Was like, I'd like to apologize a second time for that.

You re brought it up.

I know, I know, I just want to apologize it.

I was just wondering because I at times can be seen as if somebody just sees me somewhere.

I get a lot of times, hey, you weren't very friendly, and I'm like, well, you never said anything to me?

Are you introverted?

Extremely until it's time not to be?

Okay, I have two modes, extremely introverted eighty five percent of the time and then when it's showtime, like it's a switch and I amplify everything about me.

Well, okay, so I'm the same.

I'm very shy to me to say hi to people, but I think of people have told that about me, And like when I walked in here today, You're hello.

I was like, oh, maybe he doesn't like me.

I don't know, really hello, not warm and welcoming.

The thing is is it's not.

It's more like if we were already buds and had seen each other lately, but since we didn't, I was like, oh he oh no, Like this is it's.

So good to hear because I would never have thought that.

But that could also just be my social it's xiety.

It's both.

I'm sure it's both.

Wow, for sure both.

Well, I know you're not.

I mean you came and you said hi to me on my walk, you know, so I know it's not that.

But you know I was a little sensitive first.

That's so good to know.

And I mean I'm serious, Yeah, because you came in and I was like, hey, Kolby, it's like we love right down the road and I.

Did stop in the car and I was like, oh, I feel like I think it.

Was like hey, Koby, that's how it felt.

Yeah, I get it.

I get that.

It definitely wasn't me thinking I'm cool or being a jerk.

I didn't think that.

I didn't.

I didn't think that at all.

Dang, that's good to know.

Yeah, Well, because I felt like I went a little over the top if I'm being honest, because I always want to be like I want people to come and have a good time.

I'm not going to try to gotcha anybody in an interview.

Yeah, if we finished the interview, you're like, I didn't like that, We'll cut it, like I want that because if you're in a good space, then things are good.

Yeah, and so I want to create.

That's crazy, but it's also how I interpret things.

And also people will say, like, you look relaxed on stage.

I am freaking out inside.

But I think because I'm so nervous, I like mute everything, so I worry that.

Then I maybe do that when I say hello to people, or when I say, like, did I show them enough love?

But then you know, it's all over thinking.

That is a wonderful note.

I didn't think you were cold.

I thought you like were in the middle of something.

No, I was doing nothing.

I was sitting here in a chair, just waiting for you to get here.

That's a great note.

I'm so glad you said that, because what I will do is I will try to stretch myself in that capacity a bit.

Yeah, No, that's great.

I like to give you a note.

Oh please, I'm just kidding.

Iuv no, please give my note.

I know you're you're gonna text it to me later.

You know what.

Actually I didn't want to say it on camera.

But so if you're not going to tour and you did this record, what do you do?

Yeah?

What's what's why?

Why?

Yeah?

Why do you make the record?

I I'm asking that in a positive way, not like no.

I think no, it's a really great question.

I started.

I thought about making it five years ago, started it two years ago.

It's been a very long process with the duets because of everyone's schedules, so it's actually been very drawn out.

And I do want to I do want to play shows.

I want to tour more.

I just I want them to be the right tours.

I love co headlines.

I would like to.

Open for for other artists that I admire and just play shorter, shorter tours.

How do you feel about it when tickets go on?

So, you know, it's nerve wracking.

I mean, I feel like there's if I'm not out there as much, I'm gonna have less of an audience.

And I'm not huge on social media with my interactions, so a lot of it goes into play and so then I just feel like it's this vicious cycle of if you're not constantly doing it, it's gonna dwindle a little bit, and then if it dwindles, I don't want to do it as much, and then it's just, you know.

That's exactly how I feel right this second.

Really, Yeah, like I haven't been on the road yeah, and because I haven't nobody cares.

Because nobody cares, I don't want to do it exactly because I don't.

Want to putickets up and I have to go look and see where you have to build it back up.

And I'm lazy.

I'll be honest, I'm very well.

Yeah, I like my comforts.

What else do you like?

What yoga like?

Because I feel like I don't know the person that much.

We've done a bunch of professionals staff.

What do you like?

What else you like?

I Lately I've been trying to be more social, like, oh, we went to bar Taco with my girlfriends last night, went to Soho the night before that with friends, and I like to I don't know water sports.

And which ones?

Uh?

Well, I like I love swimming.

I really love swimming.

I used to do water polo when I was in high school.

I like going on lakes and boating and water skiing or jet skiing.

Like stuff like that.

Do you have a wayboard?

I have?

Yeah.

I wakeboarded last year at a friend's lake and Idaho, and I was so nervous.

They're like professional athletes and I was like, I'm not even gonna get up and they were the best teachers, and I stood up and it was really fun.

Yeah that is fun.

Are you good at it?

Or yeah?

I used to live on a lake.

Okay, so you're like, I'm okay.

Yeah, my joints hurt now though, So wakeboarding goes a little too hard.

Yeah, wake skating, wakesurfing, wakesurfing.

That's what I did, is wakesurfing.

Wakesurfing is the easiest on your body.

Wakeboarding you wipe out hurt.

Wakesurfing is so funny because you feel like you're doing all this crazy stuff and you look back at the video and it is like, so so.

Not it's pretty cool that you did Lucky on your record.

I was just I didn't put that together that that was on Jason's record before and that he was hopping back on and is doing it with you.

Did you guys want a Grammy for that?

We did?

That's super I accepted it solo.

He wasn't there.

I was so sad, but yeah, isn't that cool?

Yeah?

That is cool?

Where do you keep it?

I have my two Grammys on either side of my like living room shelves, and I will say it's actually very funny.

My friends because you can unscrew the speaker part of it, and my friends like to take shots out of it, which sounds very not classy, but it works and it's funny.

What was the other Grammy for with Taylor Swift for being on her album Fearless?

Dang, that's cool.

Yeah, did you go to both Grammys?

They were the same year?

Actually, yeah, so I was.

I got to present Taylor and Liz they're Grammy and Mick Fleewood presented my Grammy to me.

Yeah, I've interviewed Stevie want since she was excellent.

She was super nice, but in the interview setting, everybody's kind of nice, true, because like, except for me, I'm cold.

It was just the hello, I'm kidding.

I'm glad you said that.

I think that is so sorry.

No, I'm glad you said it because I will learn from that, and I think that's great to know because I really was treating it like, oh, here's called we she lives down the road.

I just her I just saw a few weeks ago.

All good, but.

No, but you know, so this is actually interesting.

Ryan Hurd is the same, Like we walked into the writing.

Session, He's like, hey, and I was like, well, hi, like he obviously hates me, and he came to like we did a we sang together a couple of weeks ago at South Hall.

And it was just like, hey, what's up.

Just walks in.

I'm like, okay, that's just him.

But don't take it so personal.

I think it's because I think there was a comfort of I don't have to put on with you, which but but interpretations and interpretations perceptions are real.

The thing is now, I feel like we're even better friends now when you just do that down the road.

No, now, I'm going to bring my lens every time.

Okay, well that'll be all like that.

Kobe.

Really good to see you, Bobby, Thank you.

Yeah, this has been super funny.

Congrats on the new record.

It's great again.

I went to it first.

I think the Ryan song was the first song you put out too.

Is that accurate?

No, it was the third song.

The first first one I saw was you and Ryan though that one I went to.

That's the first one that came.

They came over to me, and that's what I went What was the first one?

Then if you love Me let Me Go with Russell Dickerson, and then Real Lies with Mitchell.

Yeah, who cares about them?

But Ryan, No, I'm kidding.

I actually you supported.

It, so, you know, thank you for for you know, having me on.

And I was always I was really stoked when you stopped me in the car and you were like telling me about how you like the song so and.

I said, the first song you put out with Ryan, I love it and she was like, yeah, that's idiots, not the first one.

Great to see you you guys.

Go go out to the Christmas tour.

Have you have you guys put on tickets out with that yet?

Tickets on sale?

They're on sale.

I should I should know that.

How did they how do they get them?

You can go to my website Colby Kelly dot com, Gavin's website.

It's up here.

I know.

I just want to see if you're yeah, I know my name?

Yeah?

Does everybody misspell your name?

Yeah?

For still yeah, I misspell it.

They mispronounce it.

It's really funny, is that if you're like in an airport or something, if people don't know you from your music, we will they yell Colby.

Cal eate KLi at Kylott, I get Kelly Kelly sometimes or Colby Kelly Kobe.

I don't know.

It's very funny, Kelly.

They call you Colby kel.

I think they get it.

I think when they're nervous and they're like, it's I think that's what comes out when they say it.

I think they do know my name if they weren't.

How do you feel about festivals.

Built in built an audience?

So lately I've actually liked them because I've played a couple lately and I was like, oh God, are they even going to know my music?

And dudes like, because guys don't come to my shows.

It's like usually females and they've dragged their boyfriends.

But dudes knew.

Like most of my songs and it was really fun to know that, you know, they actually know them, and you gain a new fan base as well.

It's just hard festivals because as a as a singer, you're just like rushed in and out and it's usually not the best audio.

But otherwise they're fun.

Like either a casino, good money, terrible, usually terrible everything yeah except for the money, and half people don't even want to be there.

They just got free tickets to something.

Yeah, or they have like their monthly tickets so they yeah, they don't show up or.

The other note before we go.

When I was looking at your Christmas toy, it was all West.

I know, we've got complaints about that.

Gavin has booked now some East Coast shows.

I have not yet, but it is all West Coast.

So maybe how we're supposed to go fly, I want to stay home.

We're going to try to do a show here for like all the artists.

I'm going to try to get all that together for a show.

With the artists.

They did it, all the songs.

I'm hoping it's not.

It's not confirmed at all yet, but that's what my goal is.

Like that's like Colby Stock.

It's like it would be really hard to get everyone's schedules aligned.

That's my goal, all.

Right, Kolby, really great to see you.

We put all in the notes how to get tickets to the shows.

Check out the new record and there she is.

Colby Cala, Thanks Coby, Thanks

Bobby, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production