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This is Mick Shot.

You are now rocking with the best.

I'm Heck Maharrison, and across from me is a Super Bowl champions Everson Walls and you know what what?

Hey, O man, listen to this.

Listen to this.

This is your birthday song.

It is it very long?

Hey, get out yeah on the day I get the Yeah, I get a little rouse down A.

Horrible birthday present.

Right.

You didn't hear the song though, you interrupted the song?

I heard it.

This is your birthday song.

It isn't very long.

Hey, Here you go, there you go?

He had some help?

There?

Are you sure?

Are you sure I had help?

Are you?

Are you?

Are you thinking?

I got my ear to the street, Mickey, man.

The post right, there's some somecorations that go on.

Come on there.

He can't help.

He can't help.

But give me credit, you know he can't.

He don't want to get a man about here.

He did it, He did his homework.

Ah my gosh, it is Vicky.

He gave you love.

It is Mickey Spagdolla's birthday on this merchant.

I'm the Yeah, I'm still here.

The Lord te shrams old, saying, right, better than the.

Alternative, It is better than the alternative.

And this time you didn't fall off your bike and have a trash can incident.

You know what I mean.

So come on, man, you've been trying his best to leave.

He's trying to leave.

God won't matter in some kind of way, trying all the things he's allergic to.

He eats on the regular basis.

The practice, the practice, a head, all of that.

Yeah, Mickey, I'm gonna start the show like I always do.

It is your birthday, sir, How are you feeling?

I was just gonna say, I am great, you are great.

There you go.

Ever see how about you?

Man?

I am wonderful, But man, it ain't that great for everybody?

Else around here?

Man, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry, I just got it.

You started it.

It was off, like, what is my man doing?

What is going on with the mess in Michigan?

Do you tell me that spags please?

I haven't read anything to clear Yeah, it's just crazy, bro.

I mean, this guy was a he was a mentor to so many people, you know, not to mention the kids he signed, you know that he was supposed to be now coaching.

Man, what's going on now?

I mean who they bring in?

Uh, where the recruits go.

They're late.

Everybody's filling positions right right there, they're lasting in line.

Yeah, for them.

To make that move right now, I don't know if they looked at that record and said, we got to come up with a reason.

Oh, come on, it can't be that.

It can't be that.

Well, let's look.

I think he sometimes, man, you undo it yourself, and he is that.

I'm trying to be like, how do you be PC on the situation.

It's like this, man, because I think sometimes when when news like this comes out, your first thing is you get you read the clip right away, and it's like, oh my god, man, you know, I mean decent season, not you know, one where he made the playoffs or anything like that, but a decent enough season, maybe not up to Michigan standards, And so you want to.

React to the news.

But then right after that happens, other news starts to come out, and then you're like, oh man, oh man, the rabbit hole go, the rabbit hole goes, and unfortunately, man, you know, look, pray for everybody involved.

Why don't we why don't we go there?

Mickey, you're no longer writing in red, So we're gonna start this thing.

We're gonna start this thing off right blue.

We got Mickey speck Nole in the house tonight.

Mickey, what you got on this pad man?

You want to talk about?

You know, we just listened to Eberfly and he seemed to be quite happy that Jadavian Clowney was back on the field, and he said that not only helps with his talent, but also kind of his leadership, kind of dragging guys.

Along with them.

Uh.

He said revel would be limited.

He's had some post game soreness and that.

Is it in the same knee.

Uh.

He didn't say need, he kind of said body so uh, and then talked about how you know, Yeah, he's a young guy and you know he's learning every play he's out there, and you know they're not upset with them or anything.

There's a lot of people, well I don't know if the guy's any good.

You know, it's it's funny.

You can win three games and there ain't a damn thing wrong.

Everybody has promised, and then you lose and Jake Ferguson doesn't hold on the football revel I know what he can do?

Uh Booker and steel or act to the same thing after winning three games, Dak getting protected.

So it's just kind of the you know, it's the territory, right, Those things happen and then everybody.

I just wish people would watch use your eyes, because everybody's got to use some sort of analytic percentage or something to point out what a guy did.

So to me, are you trusting whoever did that assessment?

Right?

Who did it?

Who?

Who's saying that somebody gave up sixty pressures the computer?

I hope it is, or is somebody watching because they ain't watching every player every play, right, So yeah.

So is there a specific thing that you're talking about?

Well, I just had people ask me about different guys performance.

Well, yeah, nobody played as good as they should have.

Right when you lose like that forty four to thirty.

I don't think the score is indicative of the game.

No, no at all.

Yeah, I thought that was that was a tight, very close extra.

To made it look like it wasn't close.

It was thirty seven thirty and you had the ball.

I should have been thirty.

It should have been thirty seven, but thirty four, yes, it should have been so.

But anyway, what was Era flu I mean?

So he was you know, he.

He just thought that they didn't play consistently enough.

He was very.

Complimentary of Minnesota.

He said the linebackers are learning and growing, meaning his linebackers.

And then the answer on Diggs is always the same.

It's always about consistency with everything, knowing his responsibility still ramping up.

Uh, he's still in the ramp up component.

But I thought of something last night.

We talked about it here a couple of weeks ago.

So he's still on IR okay, and they've already used six of their allotted eight IR activations, so they only got two left.

So are they sitting there going, well, we got four games left if we have to put somebody else on IR and want to bring them back.

I better save spots, right, And the same thing with what if they get I don't know, another player in another position injured, like linebacker.

Do you got to bring Sanborn back to help with the depth or is there somebody else on IR that you're saying, well, I might need help at the offensive line if one of those guys gets hurt.

So you're sitting there going but if I do digs, now I only got one move left.

Wow, that's a pickle, right, And I thought of that, And because the way they keep answering it, it's like, well, yeah, and he's still ramping up and da da da, And then you go out there and watch individual drills and he's moving just fine, and he looks like he's engaged, like he cares.

The other thing that crossed my mind was he's got that per game bonus.

How many has he missed so far?

Is it six seven?

I think it's seven fifty a game?

Yeah, fifty eight thousand a game.

So if you're going to activate him, then you want you better play him.

Yeah, because he's getting paid extra, you better know that he's ready to step in and go.

If you guys keep talking.

About that what no, No, I wanted to ask you about.

To me, this team would be better with a healthy Digs.

And that's what I'm looking at.

If you got a guy that is healthy as he that he wants to be, yeah, and you've got us giving up all these passing yards yep.

Now we're going into the stretch.

I would think no matter what number one, priorities should be to bring back you're all pro.

That's that's what I'm thinking.

I mean, I get it, you got to make save some moves, but don't He's the move that you.

Saved, right See I was saying, he's the move that you made.

And now it's four games.

Yeah, so if somebody else gets hurt, they're out for the rest of the regular season.

But you got to think, well, for getting the playoffs, what do I need?

He's missed seven games.

It's four hundred and six thousand dollars.

Yeah wow, and yeah for him yeah wow.

But I'm just talking about it in regards for the good of the team.

I want our secondary to be.

Out and I'm not saying no, you're not.

That's what's I'm thinking.

But I just thought of it.

It's like, you gotta be careful.

Yeah.

Well, but to me, you need to be aggressive of bringing them back.

Yeah, because you know, if you're gonna complain about last week's game, then one part of it was our pass defense.

And so yeah, let's bring it back.

Let's show it up.

The quicker he played, the quicker, We bring it back the quicker he gets into game shape.

Right, I would think this would be the time.

Four games left, this would be the time to do that.

It just sounds like the answers are all the same from Jerry to shot him.

Like they've been practicing.

They've been practicing.

Here's why he's not been active right yet?

This is what he said.

I mean, but again he missed seven games, Yes, and he's only ramped up one week, and that will be the second week.

I would say to me, you got to rush this because if we're at we're at the point now to where I'm already looking at next year.

They don't want to be looking at next year, right.

And so that's what it seems like.

They they're they're patient about now, Well, we're gonna just wait.

You know, we're gonna need him in the future.

No, we need him now, Yeah, we need a good Digs right now.

So we'll see where it goes this week.

Okay, but you know they had the only guy that listed out well, Hooker was out personal reason and then guiding Geiten's still working on the cords.

So as I said yesterday, yeah, he's not going to make it back.

But the limited guys, I think they're all, you know, within the realm of returning and being able to play.

I think I'm with you on this, Everson.

I mean, in spite of all of that, you have no time to play any games right now.

It's like it's all hands on deck and you're looking at even guys like Jadavian Clowney.

I know they held him out last week and he was doing everything Mickey that you were talking about to try and get on.

The field, and you needed him.

And when you look at through how that game transpired, man, you needed to present a little bit more pressure than you were getting.

And I think even when in listening to ibra Flus, you understand that there is a sense of urgency, even with the coaching staff understanding that, look, we have a path and the way there is to win out right, And so Diggs whatever in spite of whatever he did in the past.

Right now, based off of what we saw in Detroit, you need him presence.

And I think also, Mickey, when you get to the playoffs, you also get an additional two spots when you get if you get into the playoffs, meaning moving.

Guys okay from ir So there's that, you know.

So it's not as dire as it looks for the regular season.

But look when you and I, when I've been looking at the Minnesota Vikings, the one thing that I'm saying right now, we kind of talked about it yesterday, was stopping Aaron Jones.

If you can't do that, then everything else For JJ McCarthy, you you can turn him.

Makes it so much easy, Right, But what about this Mason guy.

He's their lead running back exactly.

But and I'm tring Aaron.

Jones hasn't done much at all.

He's only carried the ball eighty one time, has he been hurt.

And he's questionable.

He's questionable for this game as well.

And I'm only talking about Aaron Jones because we have a history of being burned.

By playing maybe with a better offensive line.

Indeed, right, indeed.

I don't know much about their offensive line.

But I do know that their defensive line is good.

I know that their defense is more than formidable all the way around.

And I mean, let's just look at the record.

They're five and eight right now.

Five and eight is not bad in the NFL, I mean, right getting any it's got all a pairent in the world here, and so you know, five and eight, But they're also trending up with last week's game.

So as far as I'm concerned, we need to be very concerned about this team.

We do not have the luxury to sit back and pick and choose on what team that we deem to be.

Oh no, not at all.

It's formidable.

Yeah, they all are.

They all the rest of the season is forma.

Just when somebody tells me that stuff, I said, well, go tell me about Arizona, right, Well, you're ass beat by them.

Quinn Williams obviously has to have another one of those performances where he goes into the phone booth and brings the whole defensive line along with him.

I think the last performance against Detroit, although you look, it was a lot closer than the score dictated, but there were moments in that game that you're just like, man, they're.

Having their way.

Whatever they're dialing up and call it execution, call it scheme, whatever you want to call it.

They were at the point where our defense couldn't do anything to stop them, especially on those first and long, second and long they were still converting.

How much are you concentrating on third down in this game where you're saying, look, you got to get these guys off the field in order to have any success on your defense.

You know, I said yesterday and earlier this week, the game that we saw, I expected that kind of effort from both sides.

No one's gonna look perfect.

This was one of those games.

It was a gut check game, and you knew what going in.

It was gonna be a gut check game.

Both teams are in the same position.

That's pretty much what I expected, just like where we got from the Kansas City game, except for we just won that one.

Otherwise you can win ugly.

I was expecting us to go in and win ugly.

I wasn't expecting us to be pretty.

You're not gonna be on the road playing against a team like Detroit and think that it's gonna be status quo because I'm quinning, I'm just gonna go in here and there.

No, that's not that.

Football doesn't work like that.

Every guy doesn't ball out every game.

It's just the way it is.

And those that do, then.

You know you have something special.

These guys are still special, but man, they get paid to in Detroit.

These guys just they.

Were almost up for the Super Bowl last year.

You understand, this is a good team.

It's a good crowd.

The Cowboys showed me one thing.

If we make mistakes all the time, first of all, especially in the beginning of the game, that's what we talk about.

But for us to hang in there in that game and have a chance to win it on the road.

That is something different.

The Cowboys have always had issues in a game like that one.

Yes, we still had our issues, but we had a better chance to win that game than we've had to win the last two years when we go on the road against the team that's got some heart.

We played very well, I think in regards to that entire situation and what it was like, the environment that you had to deal with that game.

There was the if you get the call and I harp on it all the time, you get the call and you don't shoot yourself in the foot as well.

We're talking about the whole nother ball game.

This season has been absent of that type of victory that you're on the road.

You know, in years past you had just right up the dome.

Is like seek games that you've gone to Seattle and pulled off big victories.

We just didn't have that kind of of win.

This is the closest we've gotten.

Let's just say that this is the closest we've gotten on the road against the quality team.

Well, they thought Washington was quality.

Yeah, Oh, they haven't played.

Them on the road.

The Giants, Yeah, well what about even I thought Carolina.

Sucked here, you're good Chicago too, Yeah, we got those places.

That's why I'm not that I'm not that keen on judging this team on that Detroit game in the way that they're being judged.

I look at this team as I'm sorry, guy, that was an improvement as far as our road roles are concerned.

That was an improvement as far as battling, as far as standing the game and not losing touch.

In the game.

We did that better than we've done on the road against quality teams in the.

Last two years.

Yeah, we're going to take our first break.

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We got a bunch of happy birthday mix in the house, so back here on mix shots.

It is Mickey Spagnola's birthday and anything special happening tonight in the spac no household?

Are you.

Seeing that?

I had to work today and not knowing how long?

I think we'll do a little bre celebrating tomorrow.

We's got to move days around like Thanksgiving.

Yeah it's on Thursday, but you can celebrate.

You got a favorite drink anything?

You got a favorite drink.

Well as a drink, a vodka martini?

Dirty wow?

You learned something of olive juice.

In that with yes and with olive stuffed with blue cheese.

Wow wow.

Particularly that special man is special.

He got a little flat to well he's Italian, so you know he's got a little taste.

Like manchees and something like that.

You know which, by the way, not to chase the subject.

Uh, mad dog, mad dog man.

You know what.

When I when I was living in Jack's Mississippi, guy on the staff would have a party every year, and it was a bring your bottle of wine or whatever, and we'll do tastings.

Everybody has something different.

I didn't know nothing about wine back then, and I brought a bottle of mad Dog.

It was a mad Dog.

As a joke, as a joke, but.

What it was, I knew what the brothers right when I was in Collegeay.

The taste of Jackson, Mississippi is magg no lord.

By the way, I ran across this little note.

National Football Foundation Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.

Oh, Dennis Thurman is in Okay, and Darren Smith played linebacker for the Cowboys in the nineties.

He's the only guy I know that was holding out and actually held out long enough just to play the perfunctory six games.

I think it was to get a year of service and he sat out and missed getting paid for ever.

He was pretty good.

Yeah, he was trying to get into free agency.

They wouldn't let them.

Yeah.

So anyway, I saw that on the Class of twenty twenty five.

And so Darren Woodson is still.

Pro football.

He's in the semi finals eighth time.

So he used that that cuts.

Coming up pretty and so that's usually where he's out.

No, he's made it to the finals.

Okay, yeah, okay, at least four.

Or five times.

Okay, I'm exhausted.

Yeah, I keep campaigning and just not getting anywhere.

I need to want to be the one to present them.

I think they're too nice.

You need to know.

Just told you the twenty story.

I think that that takes you out of running for anything.

We know the responsibility, we know you.

Okay, they're they're too nice campaigning for votes.

You might as well just chew their ass out, be.

Like Harry Carson, just say, you know what, take my name off.

No, don't.

I don't want to do that, but just like, what are you doing?

Let's let's do what's right.

So guys, they probably don't want that.

Offensively, my my, when I came to the studio to get from you today, Mickey is seedy LAMB news.

I want to know, is that the probability?

Uh obviously, Shoty kind of played it.

He has two hurdles and all of that, But what really, realistically do you think.

He's got to practice today?

He practiced yesterday.

I mean it was limited, but he was out there doing all the individual drills that everybody else was doing.

He was running hard, so that was his physical exertion.

Now he's got to come back today and show that it didn't affect him, and the independent uh physician has to.

Clear protocol different from when you played to the way it is now.

I mean, I was going to say exactly exactly, I was going to say it was always right.

No, But then there's some guys like they say, I'm going to go back in the game, but you know, I'm a little dizzy.

So you know, you might have your brother man sit.

Over here next to you, so we'd say, well, how many fingers im putting up?

Then you'll nudge it the times and you say, for okay, let's go there.

You're good, You're good.

So yeah, if you got somebody helping you out.

A little bit that I heard back in the day that exwer was always.

Two, just got a nudge of him game too.

Yeah, without without ceed Lamb And obviously we we talked a little bit about Brian Floores his defense, but without ceed Lamb, who would be and we and I'm already just saying that George Pickens is clearly your number one as far as your options.

But if that's the case, Brian Floores is going to bracket coverage on him, and so there's going to have to be someone that steps up.

And in your opinion, who would be the player that you're saying, this is the.

Guy that stepped up last week?

Ye flo Yeah, you just got to hold on to just hold on to every pass.

He was hold on to every pass.

Quite interesting yesterday doing his interview talking about you know how dedicated he was in that in the off season.

Anytime and I remember Michael Irvin saying, this is Troy's throwing, I'm going yeah, Well, he said, anytime Dak was throwing, I was there, and they said all the time, he goes, well, I missed it once.

I was on an anniversary trip to Phoenix and I had to say, well, I'm out of town, he said.

But the minute I landed got back, I called Dak.

Can we get together?

So he said, anytime Dak wanted to throw, I was with him.

I thought.

The other thing, for a young kid, what do you think he is twenty four?

His guy that he looked up to was Jerry Rice.

Now Jerry Rice had played for twenty five thirty years.

Maybe he's looking to old film.

So he was what he said.

I studied Jerry Rice.

I saw everything he did.

How many passes he caught?

Uh?

Somebody said, well, did you run the hill like Jerry did?

Yeah, I got a hill I ran that is.

And then they asked them, did you catch bricks?

And no, I didn't catch any was this deal growing up?

His dad was a brick layer, and his dad would toss under bricks and he would catch them with it.

Right, it had nothing to do, it way nothing to do.

But he was.

He was pointing out that it was a guy that went to a small college right Mississippi Valley State.

He went to Southeast Missouri State.

And uh, he said, I just kept working hoping.

You know, think about it.

The cowboys cut them to start.

He didn't make the first fifty three, and Schottenheimer was talking about how they held their breath because they were just so concerned that he was going to get picked up.

He can't get cut again.

He's gone.

It happened, Yeah, And you know you can see it in his body language.

You can just tell he has bounce.

You know, there's nothing and slow about him.

I think he's got to have a good vertical because everything he does is so energetic, and it's it's it's it's dynamic.

I'm not going to even tell the people how you judge whether somebody's athletic or not.

Well, you mean, never mind, you forgot about it.

So and here was another thing about him.

When when he was a freshman in high school, and by the way, that high school was about three suburbs removed, or when I from where I grew up, he said he was five three ninety nine pounds, and all of a sudden he ended up sixty one two hundred.

How come I didn't get that that was me.

There's a lot of answers to that.

We'll stay away from it, but I'm really shocked, guys that y'all didn't even take a breath to even think about the answer to who that second receiver was going to be.

Nobody even mentioned Jake fergus Nobody even said Jake Ferguson, that's not about what's.

The tight end is more of a gadget.

This guy's got a line up, Come on everything, Okay, So is the tight end gonna have ten catches for one hundred and forty yards?

Hey, he might have ten.

Let's not act like there's not a Kelsey in the league that.

I need somebody to draw attention away from George Pickens or make them pay for not getting away from him, and that other wide receivers got to do it, and he did it.

He's done it twice now when he's got here.

It's what I expect.

George Pickens is not going to be confused two weeks and two weeks in a row, right, He's not going to be confused two weeks in ago.

They are talking to him right now.

Everything they've talked about Dak is I'm sure Dak has talked to him.

Everyone talked to him.

This is what you're gonna get.

Because it worked last week, look for it to happen again.

I'm pretty sure they've talked about it.

And I watched a couple of the plays that you know he didn't catch the ball.

Well, he was in major traffic, right.

There were two guys bracketing, no doubt.

And if you watch even before the snap, the corners here and you see the safety just taking a couple of steps yep, you know.

And that's all you gotta take, right because you can get out of position of what you're supposed to be doing.

If you're doing that.

But one thing he needs to understand is that doesn't necessarily care about double teams racket.

No, he's gonna come to you figure out because you just figure out how to get open.

This play is for you.

That's what the way Shotty calls him.

This play is for picking.

I got to get some pickings in there.

Actually, And so I is it being watched binge watchings If you just watched two episodes.

I did the Hard.

Knocks thing last night, that's not quite binge watching too.

Right in between watching whatever else I was, Shody was on the sideline.

He called up to the quarterback coach, sh shame on me for forgetting shoe not shoemaker anyway, I'll think anyway, and he said, we need to call play for GP and so it was what you were talking about, and they did and it was a completion.

It was the intentional play was get him the ball and they did whatever route they ran or whatever.

Shatty.

Shody doesn't shy away from saying I players.

Right, and he said it before too, and he actually you could hear it on the sideline.

Uh sound, which, by the way, I always had this urge that I like to punch Sirianni in the Wow, it was just kind of aggravating.

Right.

Well, the more I watched those two things, I started liking him.

The way he treated his players, the way he managed his team meetings.

And I'm going.

I told you, this guy knows how to run a team.

I've been saying that for all year long.

He knows.

I don't want to like him as either, but the guy knows how to run a team.

He has the quarterback that he needs, he's got the players he needs.

They believe in this guy.

Many office is working for him.

I mean, this organization is I got to give him credit, and I hate.

To do that.

And now here you are, Yeah, too much.

They found they found I forgot what college.

It was a Division two or Division three.

He played wide receiver.

They found film and he was smaller than he is now.

Right, but yeah, just the way he preached to them about blocking out the outside noise.

It's in here.

It's all about us, don't worry about what everybody.

And they've been through this before, right, yeah, nothing new, years ago, right, stop stop it.

Okay, that's too much, all right, all right, let's switch this up.

Okay, let's okay, keys the victory for your offense.

Key's the victory.

We've already talked about, you know, the passing game, But what is what are the keys to victory?

What do you believe in a game like this where you know Brian floor Flores is gonna come after your quarterback?

What to you would be the key to victory.

Gotta run that ball.

But you gotta run that ball, and you gotta said you gotta run the ball and set up the play action and we are at home.

We're gonna get thirty plus points with that recipe.

They don't have to run volume.

They need to run effectively.

It has to be because if you looked at that last game, it seemed like it was three yards, three yards, three yards, Well, okay, but they're not scared if that's all you're getting three yards to make them have to compensate to stop the run, you need a big play here or there.

Think about the big plays they've had in some of the games they won.

Elite Davis, Yes, Javonte Williams a couple of times.

Dragging people across the first gown line and.

They and they and they haven't done that of late.

They've kind of boo boom no, I need explosion.

And so it was just that game.

It was just that game because Case they were doing well.

Yeah, and the other ones too, Eagles and everything.

Yeah, but that one Detroit, I don't know if they figured something out or sometimes you get overmatched, sometimes you get all out called they got you.

It's like rolling dice.

Like I said, they're ugly wins and ugly losses.

That was just an ugly loss.

But it could have been an ugly win.

But what is your confidence level right now knowing that you're probably not going to have Tyler Guidon and Nate Thomas probably had one of his worst performances versus Detroit.

That should be remedied.

I don't think he's gonna if he plays, so I guess he is playing.

I don't think he's gonna play like that two weeks in a row because we've been giving him way too much praise.

He's been showing way too much promise.

Some I saw.

I saw some of the stuff they were talking about where he was he was instead of setting square, he was turning like this opening up the door.

So if you're on the left side, you just made the right Yeah, because if you stay here now he's got to go around here.

If you stay here, he's coming right through.

It's a defensive back, yeah, yeah, you got You don't open up the door.

Once he's turned sideways, you don't open up the door.

And he once he opened up the door, there was no leverage either.

I mean he was behind Yeah, you see, he didn't just open it up.

He he wasn't even getting off the line.

There were times when the guy just went around him to the outside and it looked like he was still looking at the linebacker or something.

At Those kind of things unusual for him.

I don't see that has He hadn't done it that much before.

I mean, it's almost like playing man de man defense in basketball.

You want to stay square, yes, because if I do this, he's going along going that way, that's right, or if I'm doing I'm going around there.

I think he was trying to open the door for him to go that way.

But I don't know why he would do that.

I don't know why he would open that up and have a direct path to your quarterback.

And just if that's happening, then give me somebody to chip the guy when he's decided to go to the outside, right, but I think they, Yeah, I think that, you know, that was his second NFL start.

I don't know that everybody thought he was going to the Pro Bowl, right.

I mean, the guy hadn't played football since twenty twenty three and did so on a knee that needed surgery that he didn't realize needed surgery, and he went through the whole season.

I just like his makeup, and I just like how athletic he is.

And the other thing.

You're on the road and that place.

The way they built that stadium, it's right on top of the field, so when it's loud, it's loud, and maybe you're not getting off the snap in time.

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I'm a fan of the year.

When is the voting end?

Does it say on there that would be incenter of alone?

It does not give me incent of alone to try to become the try to become the fan of the year.

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The branding of your name.

I mean, we've been we've been talking about him for a month now, and so now to the point that I now know his.

Name well as many people that listen to us that he ought to be in the lead.

Let's vote exactly right.

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Maybe maybe you can fill in for me on these Thursdays when I'm doing the coach.

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He's not on chat or.

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I could work with the blue cheese.

They forgot the dirty part.

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H oh, there you go, there you go.

We got through so much of the rundown.

You know, you figured out what the problem.

Hey, we got and I thought it was Mickey.

It's never Mickey.

You know that.

We did keys right, We got the keys being run the ball.

We talked about Aaron Jones J.

J.

McCarthy from Aaron Jones from El Paso Burgess High Schools.

Right, okay, and that he.

Has missed four games and really is kind of the They list them as the starter.

But the Mason guy.

Is Jordan and Mason.

They're big, they're big rusher.

He was born in Georgia, Yes, and they got to Texas as quickly as they could.

And to El Paso they passed over all those to go all the way to El Paso.

I just realized why they call it ol Paso.

They passed everything else.

Yeah, maybe his dad was in the probably too.

Probably, So come on, give us some information.

You've been sitting with Shoddy.

We want to know you got something well.

In terms of the running backs.

To your point, he says that that Jordan Mason is a load, and we've heard him talk about how much respect he has for Aaron Jones.

But if you look at last week's game and JJ McCarthy at his best game in the Pros last week against Washington, and one of the big reasons that he was able to do that they were able to establish the run in that and the first two series of the game they had long touchdown drives.

In fact, the second one was a ninety eight yard touchdown drive, so he had a clean pocket.

He also got had his offensive lineman back, Ryan Kelly as center was back last week.

And you know so they ran thirty four times for one and sixty two yards.

So where have we heard this week against Washington?

You run the ball?

We've heard this successful and you get ahead.

They got ahead in the game.

They got up fourteen nothing.

It was the last time, Mickey, that the Cowboys got ahead fourteen nothing in a game.

Why do we just know whing the losses they fall behind fourteen?

Yeah, right, maybe Giants or Washington wo God Giants.

Think about with a young quarterback like JJ McCarthy.

Think about Dak his rookie year.

Why was Dak able to be successful his rookie year as a fourth round draft and they were able to And remember back then, there was a stretch during that season where it's like every first drive of the game it was seventy five or eighty yards for a touchdown.

It wasn't a field goal, it was a touchdown.

So they played from ahead in these games.

It's so hard to judge anything off of that Commander's game because that defense was so god awful.

And I think one of the problems with dan Quinn's defense is giving up the run.

So it doesn't surprise me that that they were able to come in and establish the run, just because right now the Commanders have so many injuries that they're dealing.

Can't talk about the Commanders, well, we can't talk about the commanders, talk about him.

Yesterday, we can't talk about the You just did fifteen minutes about Sirianni, and now we can't talk about.

Oh that's another thing we learned.

Mickey likes Sirianni.

Now why I binge watched Hard Knocks.

Watch watch the shows that that's been.

What do you like about him?

I just like the way he handled the players, the way he handled the team, the team meetings.

Well, he uses a lot of words.

Yeah, they Italian, they didn't center, Yeah, they didn't censor much.

No, I just I just had a better appreciation for him.

Let's put it that way.

So if if, as everyone in this building hope that they crater right, don't and they don't.

Make the playoffs, I ain't gone that far, you would.

Be in favor of them keeping Sirianni.

Yes, absolutely, I'm trying to find a fourteen to nothing cowboy the lead.

How far Bill Parcells distractable player?

Or it would be business Maagnola.

They actually had a twenty three, a thirty to three lead on the Jets.

If that that didn't count, that doesn't count yet.

Remember the Green Bay game was back and forth the whole way.

No Raiders.

The Raiders game.

Let's see Denver, No Arizona.

Somebody called Mickey the positivity bunny.

About Raiders.

They got up twenty four to six.

Twenty four to six, Okay, very good.

I'm thinking about other things we talked about so much with Schottenheimer.

One thing on the linebackers, because I asked him about the logan Wilson and the rotation at linebackers.

He talked about in the press conference yesterday too.

But this is it sounds like this is what they're going to continue.

To go with UH and UH situational.

Well, what you're seeing on snap counts a lot of times has to do with how long a drive is.

It's basically it is situational.

But like for Murray and Wilson, it's okay, they're basically rotating in you know, by series.

Can they play both at the same time?

Well, you want to take overshowing off the field, Well.

He didn't do much this last game.

Okay.

See, don't don't judge.

I started everybody.

He switched.

My goodness, Mickey, you will turn on her brother quick boy.

Ovashan was your guy.

It's just five weeks ago.

Text that guy back.

Okay, he see, trust me, they see unbelievable.

Not the positivity, but not anymore.

He switched back to this is birthday away with.

Giving you the facts.

That's all I was.

I didn't know if anyone actually watched what y'all called the twenty two's twenty twos?

How well did Willis?

Which is funny because everybody keeps talking about Overshown not doing much in the game.

He had eight tackles?

How what did Wilson do?

Wilson had three tackles?

Do you have snap, councer, and see, that's the thing, you know, if you're going to come in.

We talked about Q he was doing well.

I want to know what Wilson's doing.

I hadn't really had anyone.

To give me a well, you know what talking about about stuff.

Bland is second in tackles on this team, a cornerback.

Yeah, that's that's messed up.

Yeah that means that that we're getting run on.

And also maybe his guy's catching a lot of passes on him.

So who did you want snap?

Well, I've got him, logan.

Wilson had twenty six snaps against Detroit.

Overshown had forty seven.

So the coaches gave him one more tackle than what the game they gave him seven, so the coaches gave him another one.

And then Murray had three tackles and thirty six snaps, So we went forty seven snaps for Overshown, thirty six for Murray, and twenty six for Wilson.

Yeah, so why did I hear people say, well, Overshown he looked like he struggled.

Well, now let's be it is where he makes his tackle.

Well, that's true, so you know, right, is he making him from?

Well?

Another thing is the other thing is.

He struggled against them?

Here's the deal with my Gibbs.

Y.

Yeah, I believe everybody's trying exactly.

And then they'll show a replay of Gibbs getting away from Overshown or whatever, and so that becomes the narrative for the next week is, oh, Overshow had a bad game, and the other forty six snaps in the game he was fine.

But on that one play that Gibbs goes for a touchdown, I'm just using that as an example, right, and it probably happened, and that's what becomes the narrative.

So that's where it gets unfair.

Sometimes, whether it's a linebacker, a defensive end, cornerback or whatever.

Richard Sherman take that.

I wonder where those guys watch the game from when they're doing.

Right there?

Yeah, but a monitor?

Are you watching watching the game or you watch that watch?

Thank you?

I think they're watching it from the sideline.

They don't go upstairs.

I can find out.

I've got I've got a friend who used to be a producer on those Thursday night games.

I was wondering for the for the pre show because they're already down there ahead of the halftime.

Right, I'll have that answer already down a right.

Well, Bill, before we get out of here, can we have for our picks to click who were taking off the board?

Who you can't have?

Can we put that in the text so that everybody knows, don't come, don't claim da don't claim but Aubrey don't.

All right, So there's there's some place off limits, right.

You with it?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, that's good, that's good.

But what's the day today?

Thursday?

Thursday, Thursday, the eleventh of December, that's right?

Is that a special day?

Yes?

How is it special?

It's your birthday?

You?

Ah, happy birthday, Mickey.

The US declared war on Japan on December.

Eleventh because of Mickey Pearl Harbor days December seventh and four days, or that's what.

We just said.

Okay, you missed the whole show.

It's okay.

I'll drag our feet trying to save the world.

Do we sing Happy Birthday to I'll go back and listen here, let me back up the show.

I'll listen.

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