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Good morning, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the taj Ma Hall of Football.

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I'm heck Maharrison, and there's a Super Bowl champion lacrosse from me in Everson Walls.

And he is Mickey Spagnola.

I want to call him by his real name, but I'm not gonna do that.

I'll just say shaken, not stirred, with an infusion of cream olive.

No, no blue chee, blue cheese with the blue cheese olive.

Mickey Spagnola's in the building.

Guys.

You know what I do when I start this day, I always check in make sure everybody is good.

Mickey, I'm gonna start with you.

I love the vest you got going on today, sir.

How are you feeling?

I am count right, go.

We got we got a little Christmas thing going tonight.

We do yeah.

Oh so you're just already dressed.

No, I have to do TV.

Okay, and I didn't want to have to change then change again and dress down.

So tell me more about the department thing.

You got.

What's going on?

We got to usually once a year during a round Christmas and everybody together somewhere someplace.

Okay, we're doing We're wow.

You were you could have been invited.

Last night we did our cross talk radio show upstairs and had Brady James on.

That's work, Brady James, that's work, that's work.

Brady was good, Yeah, that's work though.

Braddy was good.

What about you, Everson?

I feeling feeling great, man.

I got up this morning and realized that the wildlife in my neighborhood is still alive.

Picture of a huge coyote all right, just a block away from my house.

So well, when you.

And I went around the neighborhood, hey, that's a coyote out.

I've been telling everybody when you went.

When you live on a big spread, that's what you expect.

No spread, That kyote was trapped.

He was like, Okay, where do I go, there's too many people around Acreage.

Yeah, that's what he's trying to tell you.

He got an Acreage rash rest.

Last night, Brady had a good comment.

We was talking about being the middle linebacker and having to run things, and he goes, you know, and I used to have to get in the huddle and I'd call the play and I'd look around and I see a bunch of eyes rolling like they don't know what the play is.

And he goes, Oh, I'm in trouble, he said, So I learned to make sure I knew everybody's responsibility to tell him what to do.

It's a little bit of that still going on in that Cowboys huddle.

Huddle, guys, let me tell y'all about the power of the internet.

So yesterday on the show, I was explaining to you guys about the car that I was in the car accident so I had to get a replacement car, and was talking about the rental that I was given.

And some insurance salesman agent heard you.

You know, No Ford heard me called me and said we have a loaner for you.

Yeah, And I'm like, wow, that's cool.

I should complain on this shore.

How does that ever since got a free roof.

He did employee discount.

That's about all they gave me.

Man, that was crazy.

I mean it just blew me away, blew me away.

He was like many turned that, that's exactly He's like, no, take the rental baggage.

Now, just park it here.

They'll come and get it.

And I'm like, wow, that's even the best part, right, that's that's an athlete's privilege and what you're talking about it like that.

Yeah, yeah, one the last let me play sports back in the nineties.

Back in the nineties at Kansas State University, all rather yeah, good.

Who are you writing tonight?

The Seahawks?

Thank you for thank you for yes, thank you for exactly what that is?

Who you say?

What it said?

Who are you writing tonight?

The Rams are the Seahawks?

MS, I got the Seahawks.

They playing in Seattle, so I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna go with that Seahawks at quarterback game.

What I thought he was Nobody is at it at this point, Mickey, let's go into the book a ball and man, tell us about it.

What you got going on in that thing?

Man, Well, we got to listen to Eberflus today just a few minutes ago, and of course he had to ask answer questions about Jerry's three game proclamation, right you knew?

Damn well, it's like, hey, this is what we do, dot it right?

You know what the funny thing is about that?

And I don't know where you guys sit on trying to win, if you're eliminated, or trying to lose because you want a better draft choice.

Hey, that just happens to be part of the rundown, is that we have to do.

Well and we're going to jump into it right now, let's do it bit ahead of it.

Because I was thinking they're asking him questions, they're asking about personnel.

And one of the things I heard on the radio was people talking about, well, I want to see this guy, and I want to see this guy, and I want to see this guy.

Well, this guy, this guy, and this guy are already playing.

That's what I thought, Right, who's not so?

So again, you're looking for if if if you don't want to win, but you want to evaluate these guys how they're playing.

So if the message in the locker room or who you're playing is we don't want to win, what do you think that guy's thinking, am I chop meat?

I got to go out there and play.

And look, the only way you don't you show you don't want to win is you sit down.

And normally those things don't turn off turn out well at the end of the year when you throwing a quarterback who hasn't played one bit and then you say, hey, Joe Milton, it's all you.

We're gonna evaluate you.

But CD Lamb and George Pickens aren't playing.

I was going because we don't want to win, right, we don't want to win.

We're gonna have to sit more than just have it.

Both ways, right, And so that that kind of got under my skin.

I'm glad that that had put that in the rundown.

I just you played to win the game, right, And yes we heard that before, but you do you play to win the game.

I don't think I've ever played on the team.

I was on a one in fifteen teams fast.

I was on a one in fifteen I think the year before three and thirteen, and we just we played some young guys, but we were still playing to win, right, And as bad as that sounds, we still couldn't do it.

But at the same time, I don't remember us sitting down Randy White or too tall, you know.

During that time, and especially in nineteen eighty eight, we just played all of our players and you try to win the game.

I don't know what else to say to say, Okay, we just start throwing in young guys.

First of all, that's not good business.

I want to put my best out there as an owner, as a team, I want.

To put my best out there.

If I just start throwing anybody out there at first, I don't know who the hell's coming to the game.

Number one, number two.

That's not a good reputation for those guys that are still veterans.

Right, a veteran signed on to play the entire season.

If you set a veteran down, I'd be extremely surprised if they weren't disappointed, I'd be extremely disappointed if Tom Landley told me doing my three and thirteen season, Hey, ever, so we're just gonna let Manny Hendrix play the rest of the season.

We are three and ten, and so the last three games we're just gonna let him play.

I wouldn't take that well at all.

And what's the message to the other guys that have to play, but might shop.

Me right right, Yeah, now I gotta go out that walls in it.

Yeah he's not even dressed out today, So no.

I But can it be, though, guys, can it be that you don't have a deep enough team to even play young because I mean.

You're already playing I already last week.

If you had forty guys, forty eight guys active for the game, the only guy that didn't play was Joe Milton.

That was it.

So these guys that you want to see, we've been seeing it been saying that might be the problem.

I'm seeing too many of those guys.

But no, if I go back to the quarterback thing, and you went through it the last game in eighty six when they sent out Reggie Collar, remember, and he hadn't played all year, probably didn't get snaps go ahead and the block.

Well, for some reason, I recall that Tom Landry kind of to say, bow to the pressure.

That's a little bit extreme.

But oh you played the Bears, That's.

What I remember.

And Tom Landry did that on purpose because we were all like, hey man, Reggie call you, Reggie call your you know, the papers and everybody asked about Regie call you if you recall, he's okay, you guys want Reggie, I'm gonna send him out here against the Bears.

That's what coaches do.

I don't even think he finished the game.

No, of course he didn't finish the game.

They had to.

It was ridiculous.

And that wasn't even the forty four nothing game.

That was eighty six.

That wasn't eighty five the next year and we still got blown out.

And so yeah, that's that's you know, that's something that Tom Landger used to do all the time because you don't want the inmates.

To be running the asylum.

So that was his house.

I'll show you right, Yeah, I'll tell you I'm gonna lose anyway that goes on my mark.

But having said that, that's not a good thing.

It's just not a good thing for the team, not good for morale.

And if you're trying to keep a guy and then you know you're you're playing these hopscots with the with the playing versus not playing.

He's gonna silo on that.

Yeah, it might not even be here next year.

But tried that in twenty ten too, but Romo was out.

Yeah, so they were already playing the backup and they gave Stephen McGee I think the start in game fifteen, and he sort of.

Sold I don't even remember that name, Stephen McGee, Yeah, that name, and he solidified the shout out to Stephen McGee.

He probably wasn't the backup quarterback of the future.

Well you found that, right.

And then again in twenty fifteen, Romo again was out.

They were playing backups and they started Kellen Moore.

He had a pretty good game, they got beat completely.

I think he threw the ball forty four times, and they decided that, okay, to save money, Kellen can be the backup quarterback in twenty sixteen, right, and then they all got hurt and Dak Prescott ended up being the same.

There you go.

I'm all about ruining someone else's playoff chances.

That's what I'm all about.

If I can't make it, then I don't want you to make it.

Your mentality as a as an next as a next player.

And I think this is very interesting because you get an opportunity to give people a perspective that if you're listening to people on the outside, they're like, what do we need to win?

Because they're talking about drafting and all that, and to you, that's loser talk to even be on that same plane.

But inside of the locker room, these guys know that as of Saturday, if Philly wins put, it's over with.

You know, you already know those chances are gone and you can may as well start packing the U haul.

What's the mentality as a player as far as your pride, professionalism, things like that, that's but just knowing that we don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the postseason.

Signed up to play the whole season, that's your job.

Then just do your job.

Just do your job.

I mean, I'm not going to sit up here and try to make a whole bunch of words about it.

Just do your job.

You're getting paid to play the whole season.

You know you're Sally Okay, you don't want to pay, then we stop paying you.

You don't want to play, we stop paying.

That's silly.

Yeah, both of them are silly.

So to me, you just just you signed up to play a whole season.

You play a whole season.

We all go through it.

I told you three and thirteen, one and fifteen.

I have all kinds of excuses to lay it down, so did everybody else on their team.

So come on, man, that's I just think it's silly.

You know.

That's when you have people that hadn't played sports, yeah, trying to run the team.

I'm sorry, that's that.

And I'm not trying to sound the elitist because.

I was a player.

No, it's an attitude you got to have that, you know.

And and the way I look at it is, once you get on the field, you're not going to dog it right.

You got too much pridt.

You're playing the right where you may short change yourself if you don't prepare like you're trying to win right during the week, because that's where if you slough off, then you don't.

Let me tell you something.

I'm still trying to get my numbers, right, I got fifty seven picks.

If I start tanking because I didn't go to you know, to to the playoffs, I have fewer, right, you got to play for your numbers.

I mean, that's this is prosperity.

They using the word correctly.

This is a prosperity.

This is my legacy.

I'm out here playing for my legacy.

Associate everybody else in there.

And whatever that is, whatever that is, and these contracts are incentivized, so yeah, guys will get your money.

Or if you're on the last year of your contract and you're going to be a free agent, this last thing put bad tape all.

Kinds of reasons that none of them point to tanking.

You think Gavonte Williams didn't think this game is important to him going to be a free agent next year, right, and he's got a chance to get thirteen hundred yards, fourteen hundred yards.

And more touchdown, a more touchdown, more touchdowns?

Right?

So yeah, look at those guys that are on the last year of their contracts.

They're out there playing because they know they may not have a job come March fifteenth.

Those guys that want to see him tank, well then they probably won't be watching the game, right.

Yeah.

Well, I got a question for you, Mickey, and it's all around our head coach.

In his first season, before he was hired, well when he got hired, the number one thing was culture, talking about the building culture.

After what you've seen from him so far, do you believe that he achieved that in building a culture here?

He has And I don't think you want to do anything in these last three games to ruin what you built.

They wear those shirts, compete every day, and they have.

They may not have won every day, but they sure played their asses off, and I don't think you want to do anything to diminish that in three games by all of a sudden say well, we don't care.

That's a half hearted yeah, it.

Doesn't matter, you know, And it's like, well, coach, you said for fifteen weeks the colture, this is what.

We're supposed to Yes, aside for these last time.

I just think there's benefits of finishing decently and and maybe how about feeling good about yourself if you finished with a winning season.

You know, they haven't had back to back losing seasons since two thousand through two thousand and two when they went five and eleven, five and eleven, five and eleven.

That's the last time back to back losing season.

Now, they had five hundred seasons, right, but not losing seasons back to back.

Now, can you take pride in that?

I mean, it's a consolation prize, but at least you feel like, we went seven and ten last year.

This year we went nine to seven and one.

You know, if you win the final thing, well, We're not out of the question that they can't.

Sure they can do that.

The Chargers defense is really good.

Their offense hasn't been good.

They've scored two touchdowns in three of their last four games total.

Together, they've been kicking goals like the Cowboys.

Dicker the kicker, Y's right, he had five to one game two, right, So yeah, just go out there and play, don't don't screw things up.

Now, if you get to that last game and you want to look at Joe Milton, I don't have a problem with that, but don't be sitting in the offensive line and have him out there with a bunch of backups or backup wide receivers.

What chance does he have?

And that's what happens to.

The preseason rimmage.

That's just say it would be like a preseason game.

Yeah, so no, you play, and I'm sure you know, I'm sure Dak would pull back about doing that, like I'm the leader here.

I don't want to send everybody else out and I'm not there.

But then if you're the GM quarterback, you're saying, okay, I understand, right, but not three games, no way.

Ever since you've played for some Hall of Fame coaches in your career, and I didn't know what your assumption was a what you estimated that shot he would be in his first season?

But where are you right now after you know, obviously you're you're pretty much out of the playoffs and that's what you've got a one percent chance?

Yeah, but you know, where are you as far as what this season is looked like and just evaluating him as a coach.

Yeah, as a coach, I think he's a great play caller.

I really do.

He's come up against some very formidable defensive coordinators and we've seen him take some l's on that and he will call it out himself that he did take some and that was on him.

And that's the kind of responsibility I want from a coach.

Not just that, but also the energy level out here, win or lose.

It's still at his highest level I've seen in a long time.

And you know, you can call that, you know, window dressing, whatever you want to call it, but I think what he's doing is genuine.

You know, I think the way the team came together is it was organic.

You know, guys were uh, you know, regardless of what happened with Marshall, God rest of saw.

But I think this team still would have been close even if that would not have happened, because you saw something happening here.

Well, everyone, everyone seemed to be They felt important.

That's what he does.

He makes everyone feel important.

Now, having said all of that, you want to get performance out of those players as you establish your culture.

And I think that we saw some players come through that they're going to be here for a while just because they bought into it.

And think about it, the head coaching Manual probably doesn't have a chapter designating what do I do when I trade my best defensive player a week before the start of the season, How do I react to that?

Or how do I react when a guy on my team commits suicide and everybody I got to play a game the next week?

Right, There's nothing in the coaching manual, And I thought he handled it all so well.

I don't think we've had I didn't want to go through that.

Yeah, I don't think any coaches had to go through that in his first year.

In the first year, I don't think any coaches and even finish.

The season right.

And I'll second what you said about being the offensive coordinator too.

I think he's done a heck of a job.

He's put a priority on running the football and they've improved that aspect of the game.

And it has given us chances to win almost every game been in.

And so I just think that after they lost two games in a row and you win like they did three games in a row, you still had the attention of the team.

That's right, And these last two games, I understand what's going on.

But sometimes you get beat by a better team.

And I know when you look at so maybe they aren't a better team.

They just played better.

They laid better, which is it.

They played better.

You got to give them credit.

They played better.

Because let's take our first break and we'll come back and talk about this lowly Chargers offense that Mickey just will alluded to.

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Man, y'all need to be here in the break to listen to my brother Everson just throw darts at me.

Man.

It's something else, Man, It be your own people.

Sometimes, it be your own people.

Sometimes you know that your wife worked here.

Man, I was just letting you know you got layers.

To yourself, and and I just had to ask a question, did she get you your job?

I had to ask that question.

I mean my wife worked here before me.

She'd get me a job.

Is that how you got your job?

How you got your job?

Man?

Hustling is surviving good times?

How everything got his scholarship.

That's right.

I know how hookups work from ladies.

Man, Come on, man, they are strength, man, that's what they do.

And she hooked me up with ESPN.

Man, she put me down with w f A all of that.

Man, who would I'll kick the copy.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

Hey, tell me about these charges.

Man, while I'm sitting back here getting my wife, is my HR department?

Tell me about Mickey.

Well before I tell you.

That's one thing I left out when we were talking about Ibra Flush.

The one change they're gonna make starting Sunday is he's gonna call the game from the booth, not the sideline.

Okay, And he said he's done it before, just to have a be a different perspective of seeing the whole field instead of being there with the guys.

He'll rely on white Cotton to get the guys together, and he was asked, when's the last time he thought he'd been in the booth calling place as a defensive coordinator, and he goes he had to think, awhile, and then he said, well at Missouri, and I wanted to put my hand up in the air.

And he did a hell of a good job up there too those couple of years that he was the defensive coordinator, because it was seven they were they were in I believe that was the year they got to the Big twelve championship game too, by the way.

So but anyway, that was one thing he said.

He was they were going to change up.

Not from a person attagandpoint, no, that's interesting.

Just see what he said.

They've been talking about it, and it's like, all right, let's give it the.

No, see, this is what this is what you do with those last three games?

You see how you can get better.

You don't just start tanking, right how you Let's start changing the process, you know, and let's just make some tweets with the process.

But you know, personnel, we've already got everybody playing.

So when he was in Missouri, what year was that, I mean.

He said, I want to say two thousand through two thousand and eight.

Okay, he went to Cleveland, he said, Big twelve and then and then when Rob Ryan came here, he brought Iberflus with him as his linebacker coach to the Cowboys.

One of the things I always get uncomfortable with is when processes start changing all of a sudden.

Maybe, and again, I understand he's under a ton of pressure, and so taking a different perspective is probably it is best interesting to start doing things like that.

You start seeing it even with the commanders, you know, where they started changing up DC's instead of with you know, now Quinn is calling the defense and things change all the time, So I just change of responsibility.

No, no, it's not.

But you're changing your process.

And obviously, if you're a coach, that's you to seeing the game from the sideline versus the booth.

That is a complete change from where you usually If.

It's not working for you on the sidelines the way I always hadn't been working, then with the season being out of hand, that's when you make it.

To me, that's a small tweak to what's going on, because he's still.

Going to be changing your vantage point.

Yeah, man, come on, and in the NFL.

On the other time, he was a defensive coordinator.

That was his job was when he was with Indianapolis.

Because when he was at the Bears, even though he's running the defense, he's also the head coach.

I don't think I see the head coach up.

In the middle.

That's a tweet.

Let me run the game.

Yeah, now I agree with that.

So yeah, to me, his responsibility is still there.

Like you said, he's just taking another advantage point on.

What his team is doing.

I like it.

If it's an improvement.

I mean, I really do.

I mean I would try something.

The way my defense has been playing, I would try something.

And to me, that is larded by myself.

I'm sorry.

Justin Herbert, one of the elite quarterbacks in the National Football League, has not been able to have any success in the postseason.

How do you view Here comes Dallas.

Let me tell let me tell you what cow comes Dallas.

Here we go.

So let's see how that.

Was another Pro Bowl performer, performer?

Can you outscore him?

Well, here's his problem.

Did you guys see him in that game?

I did.

He's got he's got the left the left.

Hands all bandaged up.

He walked off at one point.

He's bleeding from behind, and he's still trying to run the ball, still trying to He looked like he'd been through a war, just to look on his face.

He's been sacked forty nine times.

Yeah, forty nine times.

And I looked up in the last four games when they've won three of these last four sixteen sacks, and he's been hit thirty three times.

Officially, not some analytic person, it was on the stats, the NFL game stats, hit thirty three times.

So and his offensive lines beat up.

But they're not scoring.

So in three of the last four games that they won, only once have they scored more than twenty two points.

They scored thirty one against Vegas.

And that probably doesn't everybody that doesn't help from that.

Defensively, y'all, I'm sorry, we are not far from that.

Defensively.

You make fun of Vegas, right yeah, people making fun of us, right yeah.

So I mean as you read out those stats, you know, I read out the best of them.

Can they do that?

Can the Cowboys do whatever?

We all do that, and we haven't shown that we can do that.

That's very I'm concerned about that, big time.

Number one and number two I hope that Ebau would change his entire approach to what the scheme.

Is on this defense, meaning going to more of aggressive style, blitzing more man the man.

Okay, that's what I'm on your street.

But if you if you look at what's happened in the secondary, those big plays they were in man to man.

So how does man What you do upfront doesn't affect man the man unless you're getting to the quarterback.

That's it.

And that's why I want to blitz more.

I just want to.

But if blitzing was you can't go by?

What if you can't go by?

What if we got to give it the tribe?

But you're gonna do every play.

Not every play, No, you gotta be strategic, Mickey, what would you do then?

What would you because you shoot down that way?

Would I would get better players?

I like that.

Oh that's the great answer.

But I mean, we can't do that.

We can't do that on Sunday.

That's a great hell.

They started Peyton turners.

And that's what I want to see.

I want to see.

Okay, I'm gonna my game plan is usually conservative.

Let's say that I'm gonna make my game plan less conservative.

And I'm going to see how well my DB's react if I blitz in certain situations as opposed to how I've been doing it.

He has a pattern, and I want to see him go against that pattern to see if it's successful.

You got to try something.

And I get that, I do.

Guys know how to blitz.

Learn, Well, that's what I'm saying.

I mean, just because you blitzed, do you know you know how?

We gotta be optimistic?

Don't do that because you're being sarcastic.

Guys blitz that.

Never get there?

What happens when you don't get there?

You gotta get there?

What happens when you did?

You see what happened to Detroit still got to play?

Got you?

They blitzed early Ry on this.

They put zero out there, and he went.

This is totally that we're playing against.

And you don't have anything.

You gotta shoot your shot, all right.

You gotta shoot your shot and do something different, all right?

And and I get it.

You said, well they are nothing working.

Well, something's gotta work at some point, at some point.

And I'm gonna give I've seen them out there with the DBS and they were practicing blitzing against air, right, Why are they doing that?

Because if it comes natural, then.

You just you scheme, you gotta you gotta know.

It wasn't a walk through.

Even over the individuals, so they could go into the team drill that.

It's one of the periods.

In the Yeah, I don't blitz period.

Yes, he's frustrated like us man.

Okay, I've seen guys blitz that run into the blocker.

We'd rather have betther players that here.

Well, that's his point, Yeah, what is your good players?

They probably couldn't blend.

Let's let's see if we can.

Let's let's let these guys that we don't think know how to blitz.

Let's teach them how to blitz.

Wallow out here today, all right, and then let's see how it works in the game, because that's how it goes back practice then play.

Okay, so let's see how that Mickey.

Are you surprised that Harball has a team?

They are they've taken on his identity when he's in San Francisco, they were a physical they played a physical brand of ball.

The Chargers are trying to do that.

But when you talk about how much Herbert has been hit, that does not go hand in hand with what kind of coach he is, and you would think that they would have had more success running the ball, and they haven't been as effective running.

I think I think that the effort that he's giving with the left hand, I think that's hardball style.

That's hardball style.

How many how many rushing touchdowns do you think they have?

Rushing team games?

Rushing touchdown seven?

Yeah, you just looked it up.

Asked, I got to compute in front of me.

Seven.

What comes to the ask to what running offense is that?

Right?

Seventh?

Rushing touchdowns and the guy leading him in average per carry is Herbert and six point one.

So yeah, it's not like they've lit up.

But that's what he wants to do.

He wants to run the ball and then get third and short.

And those are the things, those are the things that they are cowboy killers, because he's the cowboy killing.

Because they've picked up forty six point three percent of their third downs, so that means they're probably in third and short quite a bit, right.

So yeah, that's the way he wants to play.

But I don't think he wants to play and come out with six points, twenty two points and sixteen points twenty two and six and sixteen were enough.

To winch I'm pretty sure they're having some turnover issues as well.

Well.

The offensive line has been beat up.

Yeah, they've heard some problems there.

And then you know, his leading receivers are Allen and McConkie, good receivers.

Neither one of those guys got numbers to match Lamb and Pickens.

Not at all.

So well, I mean, nobody guess.

But they've got and I left it upstairs, like three scenarios to clinch a wild card spot if they win, and they need like Houston to lose, the Coats to lose, and somebody else to lose.

Because they're at five right now, they're solid at five right ten and four team and it's Jackson is they're in the division with.

Jack No No, Then for Denver, what.

Am I talking about?

Yeah, they're in the division with Denver, So they're in that race and all but conceded that.

So wild card is the best option that they have.

And again, when I look at this team, I go right to their wide receivers because that's where we've had the majority of our problems, giving up the big play and lad McConkie, who only has seven hundred and fifteen yards on the season.

Still he's one of those.

And keenan Ale, Yeah, yeah, he's a good receiver, great receivers.

And the thing about lat McConkey is, don't don't let the skin fool you.

Brother.

He ain't will burn you down.

Steve Lodgers, so you know, I know he will give it to you.

A little white guy.

Yeah, man, he's the little guys man.

Do you have a mickey When you see a name like a run Day Gatson, do you say to yourself, I am I am that old now a run Day Gas And.

You know, and Troy Aikman told the story on her ear, but I knew it when he was here with the Cowboys.

He had a pet monkey and he would bring it to the facility at the Star and he'd put it up and he had a little nest up there for him, like towels whatever.

He'd put it up there at the top.

And every once a while you're walking by and you hear this weird noise.

It was a damn monkey.

I don't know, but I remember the monkey.

Well.

The monkey was good.

Good monkey was behaved itself.

He was as Special Teams Ace for the Cowboys.

Man and not a bad wide receiver.

He was big, but he you know, he was there I think at the time when Michael was there.

Trying to remember for years, but yeah.

He and yeah he Sherwin Williams from Alabama came in.

I think they were in the same class together.

What I he got here came in ninety four ninety four?

Yeah, okay, but I know he was here doing during that time period.

But he has a son that plays tight end now for the Chargers, and he was really good at Syracuse playing this year, he's having a solid year five hundred and thirty three yards as a tight end, so he's about six six, two thirty five to and can run.

So those another one of those challenges that the Cowboys are going to have because you're gonna have single coverage on him.

Every every time I look up and he's telling us what the opposition coming in here can't do.

Speak SPACs has done that, they can't do this, they can't do that.

And what do they do when they play us?

They do it?

They do it, they do it.

So I'm looking at all of that and look, is that Nate from Frisco.

Or that is not Nate from Frisco unless uh.

Ronde was here ninety five seasons ninety five came in after that one year.

Okay, we're talking about the Chargers.

Well, yeah, I got into a little Charger talk and your idea.

What high school any of them went to?

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Come on, Billy, all right, all right.

Have you all visited Santa yet?

No?

We didn't.

Business.

Now you haven't sat in Santa's lamp yet.

I am running out, running out.

Wow, Mickey, don't sit in Santas.

We'll talk to you.

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Final few minutes here of mixed shots.

And I was just taping the Coaches Show and you've already discussed Mattie Refluce moving up to the booth.

Yeah.

I asked to Coach about it, and uh, he was in agreement that's what they need to do.

And in fact he said that it was he felt like for himself.

Uh, he went he did that when he was in Seattle and he loved it.

Colin plays up in the booth when he was there.

So I don't know if did it.

What did Ebrafler say about it?

As far as he couldn't remember, he thought the last time he had been in the booth as a defensive coordinata of colin plays.

Was at Missouri.

Oh wow, yeah, and now we're talking six through eight before he went to the Browns.

I remember DeMarcus Ware did a preseason game one year, did a couple of preseason games with us, and it was the first time he had actually ever been in a press box to watch a game, or like, you know, the top to watch.

He was de Marcus basically spent the first quarter going oohing and on that he could not believe what he could see.

You're telling me you can see all of this that happens on the field up here, because he's so used to throughout his career.

He's just down on the field.

Tell you a funny story about that.

We're in New York and for some reason, where the press box was there was the the heating element came up from the coaches box below us, so at times we could hear the coaches North turners up there in the booth callin plays and they're lined up and the ball just got snapped right just Troy hadn't even taken a step, and he's screaming, throw the dot ball, throw it.

He's open and I'm going he hadn't even run the route yet.

Well he was, and eventually Troy hit his back foot, but he saw it immediately as the ball was snapped from up in the booth.

It all developed just the way he planned it.

Yeah, you can.

You can see it up believe me.

So.

Anyway, sorry, Now, the problem is in these new stadiums, polatively, you're so far.

Up there, it's it's and you're not and you're in a corner too.

Most of them sort of like at and T Stadium, Right, that's kind of the news.

The coaches aren't coaches the coach No, we are.

That's where we can right, coaches are on the fifty yard line.

Okay.

I think there's one stadium where the press box is like first level, top of the first level and it's kind of in the middle of the field.

And it was Carolina.

But they built that stadium in like ninety five ninety six when they weren't valuing suites and how much you can sell that property for it.

So anyway, I got news for you, mickey.

People don't do not care where you have to watch the game from, but they do care where the coaches are watching the.

Yes, yeah, please, they are.

But has it has it?

Has it made it more difficult?

Is it further away?

It's just higher.

I mean, so you're you gotta have pretty good eyes to see what's going on.

Like in New Orleans.

You're you're, you're, you're in the roof.

Okay, you're so so your coaches that high?

Your coaches.

I think so because I can remember holding the elevator.

Couldn't get down because they have to let the coaches go.

Yeah.

Yeah, tell you what.

The network broadcast booth at AT and T Stadium is prime territory though that's down low.

I mean, yeah, that's why you want it.

Yeah, top of the first level, right, yeah, fifty yard line.

The coacheslus.

I mean, if you think about it, that's where we got to sit at Texas Stadium.

And then they realize these guys sit here for free.

That's like five suites.

And wright to the top of the stadium, to the top of the stadium, prioritize.

Well, I don't know what you've covered so far.

I've at all.

I've covered it all.

We just we want we just want to welcome you.

Well, I want to know about the conversation with shot it he surely gave you more than just that about ebraflus.

As far as the concussion guys, they are still trend Yeah, and so we'll see what happens on.

So that's Quentin Williams and Hunter.

Lipke was with Quinn concussion concussion and he was running yesterday.

But that doesn't constitute.

Well, he lays it out on the line because every time I look up, he's like, you know, just let me get back together.

I'll get back in there again.

You know, they've got that problem fixed in the middle.

Now it's can I do something on the engine to improve that.

And then separate from the team.

Are you aware of Brian Schottenheimer's high school football playing days.

He's mentioned Florida.

I don't remember him mentioning high school.

Okay, this, of course is state championship week.

Yeah, and t Stadium.

There are twelve state champions being crowned and the Cowboys Chargers game is the thirteenth game of the week.

Well, thirty four years ago this month, Brian Schottenheimer quarterbacked Blue Valley High School in Overland Park, Kansas to the Class five A state championship.

Well, yeah, he has not bragged done that.

No, he is not, and so I did the research.

We talk about it on the coaches all right, they won, and they won seventeen fourteen, and there were three come from behind victories.

In fact, in the state semi final that year, they were trailing twenty six to nothing in the fourth quarter.

Wow, trailing twenty six to nothing in the fourth quarter, and came back and won twenty eight to twenty six.

Hell so he did have some talent.

And by the way, they moved Marty Schottenheimer got the chiefs job in nineteen eighty nine.

His sophomore year in high school.

He didn't I had just researched this.

He wouldn't brag it on or anything.

He did not play football.

He was not playing football for the high school team in Ohio where they moved from, because of course Marty was Cleveland before he decided.

I think I can't remember what sports.

He was playing basketball and on some other sports.

He decided to go ahead and go out for the football team, and he was a backup quarterback and then the starting quarterback got hurt in a sophomore year and they were not successful at all.

But that's when he became a quarterback.

His sophomore year in high school out of an injury, after an injury, and then the junior year he was a starting quarterback and they didn't make the playoffs, but senior year they went unbeaten and won the state.

Championshow he also was a quarterback at did WE.

I was talking about him playing at Florida Kansas, but he played the Kansas as well because he was When I was at k State, he was a KU.

Yeah, that's right.

It's a backup quarterback.

Yeah, yep.

So we went to KU and then he was a Jayhawk.

That's a whole new light off, right, then he transferred to Florida.

Y'all connect on that.

We got that, We got that.

Yeah.

Did he answer the questions on Trayvon Diggs?

He was not posed any quick out.

From the subject.

This is the coaches.

Show and uh the prerequisites.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So so do we think that Trayvon Dix is going to make a start this Sunday?

Is that?

Is that clear enough?

Because he's practicing.

I don't think so.

He practiced last week to nope, and he practiced the week before that.

He is not.

I mean, they I think they have plans and they don't want to mess up to the merchandise.

They don't want to damage the merchandise.

Wow, that's that's why Jerry says it's a health thing.

Hm.

Reverse.

When they start having that canned response that everybody everybody's they say the same thing, it's like they just turned.

To roll, especially when he's the only one saying it's a health.

Thing, right, yes, yes, and it's it's it's the reverse health thing.

We want to keep them out right.

Now, do you have the same opinion about Justin Herbert as Mickey.

I don't know what his opinion.

Mickey just believes that the Chargers are struggling offense and that you know, these guys are kicking said by J.

J.

McCarthy.

Yeah, he said the thing.

Yeah, man, I didn't point out that he was getting his butt kicked every team.

No, he did, sacked forty nine times.

Well, that's the issue the offensive line.

They've lost both their tackles.

Yeah, I mean the Rayshawn Slater hadn't played all year.

He got the torn Patel attendant in August and then Joe Carolina Joealt got hurt sixth game of the year.

Two of their best offensive linemen and Daldo went for two hundred plus on.

Us and they got they have their left tackle.

Hadn't played since twenty twenty two.

He couldn't make a team since twenty twenty two, and they signed him off the street.

They got this right way they want us.

Cowboys could in the same situation.

He's the right tackle, Bobby Hart, He's the right tackle.

Because Geiton is still rehappy.

Nate Thomas left the game what was late third quarter with a shoulder and I saw him in the locker room with a big old rap on it.

Now he was a full participation.

He participated.

Yeah, but.

What if then they put in I Dentergy He struggled.

Yeah, he was one of those guys that hadn't played right.

Thought and oh, by the way, the Chargers are fifth in the league in sacks on defense too, with forty sacks on the season.

So they're running out of tackles if Thomas can't go.

They picked up in a trade with the Ravens Odafe Oway.

He was a former first round draft pick.

He's got seven sacks in nine games.

They picked him up from the Ravens.

They they gave the Ravens in return.

They got a Loohi Gilman who is starting at safety.

For me, it was a trade that benefited.

Both Ice Ice.

I think it benefited the Chargers a little bit more.

Well, but we would think where the Ravens have been.

They were one in five or whatever it won in six to start the season, and they had they went on now at least there they started winning games.

So sort of like Dante Fowler coming in here, right, I don't know.

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