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Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

It's a fabulous Tuesday here inside the SWBC podcast studio.

Hecma says, welcome on in.

It's Washington Week and Jerry Jones got a late birthday present on Monday night as the Washington Commanders lost and the Cowboys are right back up there.

I was about to say, hey Sunday, you.

Didn't get it Sunday.

It was late on Monday, and we have a present today because it's the return of Everson Walls.

Here on mix show.

It was the fight song, no fight song, no no fight, no fight.

There wasn't enough fight.

Only fight song I'm listening to is the Eyes of Texas.

Wow.

That was ugly too.

That was ugly.

Did you have to pay beautiful for a Texas fan?

Any bets had to be paid you?

I'm not sure.

I'm not.

You don't do that, No, you don't.

I don't have that kind of confidence, in fact, in fact, okay, my daughter, oh you for quite.

So it's been twenty five years since they did anything.

Okay, it's twenty five years ago.

Is when the last won national championship.

In my opinion, that's when you've done something when you win a national chair.

So several years ago, my daughters, two of them went to you to school.

They gave me one of those little metal OEU emblems to put on your back of my truck.

Whatever.

It's still sitting there.

I'm not you want to it's sitting.

It's sitting in my closet.

And I just made the decision.

I said, okay, if they if they, if they beat Texas, I'll go ahead and put it on.

And so it's gonna it's gonna sit.

It's gonna sit on my dresser for another year.

Okay, that's the standard fans.

That's right.

No, No, the others are obnoxious, more others than me.

The others are not named Bill Jones.

He doesn't want to summit.

I can critique quarterback play, and that was not a good quarterback that was on the other side.

If you want to win that game, you play like arch Manning did not like the other guy did, okay, now we move on.

Now we move on.

Okay, So, uh, Mickey is man, he is serious over there.

He just got down from upstairs where Jerry Jones was holding court.

They got a what was it an East Wesh Shrine game press conference going on up there?

Yeah, it was, And they had a presentation with a young man I think he was from Shreveport that had two operations bone operation replacements.

And they also inducted Darryl Johnson into the Shriners Hall.

Oh really, he played in the game, he said, coming out.

Yep, that year, met Tony Tolbert and Mark Stepanovsky at the game.

Okay, they came to the game.

Yeah, no, no, at the Shrine game.

They all were in San Francisco for the Shrine Game.

Yeah.

So I don't know if that meant.

The Shrining Game is now played here.

It was played here last year.

That's when we discovered Bill Crossky Merrit.

There'll be more on him writing up in a moment here.

Even if I couldn't pronounce his name then talent.

Six months ago it was Jacory Crosskey Merrit, and now it's Bill Crossky Merrit.

And he will fumble at times and he has T shirts that tried it.

It wasn't a commander T shirt.

I'd get one.

But so anyway, that was I didn't know what was going on, and then I walked out into TV and it's like, oh, this is going on now.

I don't think everybody got to.

Jerry hold Court afterwards and anything any news from Jerry that we didn't know about.

Ask your question and I'll see if he answered it.

I just asked.

Specific, right, I got three pages of stuff right here.

Okay, trade deadline?

He say anything about the trade deadline?

He did, and he goes, he goes, uh.

He said this on the radio.

He said, I got our eyes open for ways to help this defense with resources.

He also said we do have some serious help on the way.

To the offense or defense both.

Okay, think about it.

You get lamb out that overshow windows and open up pretty soon, isn't it.

Well he keeps saying, wait to maybe after the bye.

Okay, So, which is after the trade deadline?

That's the that's the week of the trade dead right, right, And since we mentioned trade deadline, it's it's.

Not November November fourth, it's.

The it's the day after the Arizona game, Monday night game.

So he was saying, look for the bye, but that means not to play.

He already opens the three it's the three week window.

So that would get you to the Sunday before Thanksgiving, I believe if you look at it that way.

So again, even if he played after not playing as long as he did, if he plays the Sunday before Thanksgiving, is he ready to play on Thanksgiving?

You got to kind of wait.

In the schedule.

After the bye, there's a Monday night game at Vegas, and then it's the Philadelphia game Thanksgiving week, and then Kansas City on Thanksgiving Day, right, so, and then Detroit the following Thursday.

It's easy stretches.

Yeah, well do you think that's just the first half of that.

Let's wait, what are those teams record?

Everybody thought that.

Kansas is starting to play well again.

Well that's fine, but we know what they've done already.

Detroit, Detroit get beat, beat washing Kansas City Yep, Eagles get beat Yep, they've lost beat Yeah right there with them, right, uh huh.

See that's the good and bad of what happened on Sunday.

The bad is you could have taken advantage.

The good is people backed up with you.

Only only NFC East team to win over the weekend, the the darting Scataboos.

It's a lot of love going on between those two.

Beat Philadelphia and they play the Broncos this week, and the Cowboys play the Broncos next to it.

Yeah and so, but but all that if if the team is thinking like we are, okay, sky falling, all that the coach has to say is you beat Washington on Sunday and you move ahead of Washington in the standings second place.

Washington falls to three and four and you're three three and one.

You're in the second place, and the Eagles are playing at Minnesota, and so it's the Carson Wentz revenge game unless JJ McCarthy plays for him.

And they've lost two straight.

And Philadelphia's lost too straight.

Yeah, so I counted up on the standings.

There's thirteen teams that have only one less loss than the Cowboys.

They're all the four and twos or free and twos.

So sixteen teams in the NFC.

Twelve of them have a record of five hundred or better.

Yeah, and you know that that time that tie, it just looks it's so ugly.

It just stakes up everything.

It's it's uglier ono in two and four.

That's about it as well, because you know what, I've been here or you could have been here.

The tie is uglier on the Cowboys two three and one record than it is on the Packers three to one and one record.

It just no, I don't know.

It depends on how you like your food.

It don't taste me.

I told you about the guy in the elevator after the Packers game.

All the Packer fans were complaining, he said, well, it's better than a loss.

Okay, So anyway about that stretch.

We'll see what the stretch is when we get there.

The Chargers got beat, right, they lose, so there's a lot of losing.

Going on any given Sunday, right, That's what they say any given Sunday.

So if you look at it like that, this is where the Cowboys is supposed to be making them move right.

Hey?

Hey, three weeks ago, ever soon the Falcons lost at Carolina and then thirty to nothing.

Yeah, the Cowboys just lost Carolina seven.

What happened after after it?

After Atlanta lost to Carolina thirty to nothing, they played Washington the next week, and they beat Washington.

Then that'll buy a week.

And then they played Buffalo last night and they beat Buffalo, so they've won two games.

Cowboys are looking at two games against Washington and then at Denver.

If the Cowboys do what the Falcons did, we don't forget about Carolina, but it sure looks.

So you got the Bears in there where the Bears and three one three straight?

Head or were they won?

And there three and two three podcast?

So they were two right until they beat the Cowboys.

I don't I don't recall, but.

But that's probably right since they've won three straight and I think that was their first win.

Okay, but what we all want to know is what Everson thought about.

Yeah, that's that's what we're here for.

We want to hear we are we've already unleashed all of our pain at the desk.

What was your pain?

My pain is the fact that this is getting monotonous.

Yeah, that's what my pain is.

You have your opportunities laid out there for you, and yet we could have been this, you know, with the tie sitting out there, but we are not.

We are where we are right now because of what happened.

It's on Sunday, and you look at the game.

It's the pessimistic it's the pessimistic view that seems to always be the narrative when we go on the road, you know, And I hated the Jets.

I wanted the Jets to be the norm.

The Jets seems like it's not the norm.

The Jets is in operation compared to how we play on the road.

And I don't care who the whether it's offensive defense.

You're sitting here thinking that could have been remedied because this is exactly what we were warned against as we go on.

The road and we play the way we play all the time.

I don't know what I wrote record is, but in games that what we really needed.

We seem to always come in flat.

And I don't even know what I could talk about.

The human condition.

The fans on the road should have nothing to do with how you play.

It just shouldn't.

Well, there was hardly fans there, so just like just like the Jets game, Yeah, wait, previous it's made.

That's for us, that's for us, that's for us to take.

That's the moment for us to take to win.

All the elements are there for us to win.

They didn't take advantage.

And I bet we had a good cloud that came through as well for the Cowboys.

Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Maybe that's a lot of empty seats.

Yeah, and already, you know, I want to blame you know, like use.

It's easy in the past to blame Dak for something, you know, because he didn't have a good game, higgre.

But what what we talked about, and I'm sure I.

Saw it on the rundown if I'm not mistaken, you are wasting greatness here.

Yes, I mean you are waste And it's not just that everybody's eating and you know, so the offense is sitting there feeling shouldn't be feeling good about themselves.

We are exactly what we're supposed to be offensively, but defensively, how are we going to It's something that's gonna be a little touchy because now everybody's looking at the coach like, yo, man, you need to do better.

Somebody needs to do better.

We can't keep blaming the players.

Somehow.

You need to get rid of those players that ain't listening and realize that your job is on the line.

We gonna take their path.

I don't know, because we got the guy we wanted.

I mean, it's like bringing in all these offensive running back coaches and if they didn't a line blocking coaches, and if they didn't come through, what would we do?

Now?

Well, they came through.

Everybody's coming through.

It didn't do that well on Sunday.

I didn't like the rushing game at all.

But it's not gonna it's not gonna come with you.

You can't.

You can pack your resting game, but you might not wear it out every Sunday you get there.

Yeah, well they took away one thing and the Panthers took away to run a game, which we talked about that yesterday.

But I got to get your thoughts on the fourth quarter, six minutes left in the game where the Carolina Panthers got the ball on that drive, and specifically the fourth and three.

We were talking about Deron Bland and his alignment on that.

He's eight yards off the ball fourth and three and you give up a seven yard catch.

So in your eyes, Everson, you take a cornerback like that, You've played the position obviously, what are your thoughts on fourth and three as far as your alignment is concerned.

It's not just as alignment the fact that he's off the ball so far.

I mean, we used to run the hitch route from the Washington Redskins at the time, and all.

They would they found out that when we play.

Our zonn All hitch it all hitches nineteen eighty three, I think Monday Night Football, they hitched us to death.

In the first quarter.

We finally had to go to a cover two so that that that hitch could be taken care of and they had to go elsewhere.

We end up winning that game.

Break comeback, Grays.

Come back at that time and myday Night football history, I just happened to.

Remember that just happened.

But you know, in that position, you gotta be aggressive.

You have to play up from an aggressive stance.

Uh did he have Did he not have confidence in himself at that time?

Did it was he injured?

No, no time to play safe.

Now, this is the moment that we set the game.

Plan up for and then you're going to get Hunter Renfro.

And the last time I checked, I don't think of Hunter Renfro as a anybody.

You know, when you got the scouting report on Hunter Renfro, it did the same.

You see precise routes, Yes, you see, because you see moving the chain routes.

That's what you see.

And now unless you're gonna set him up for that and you're gonna jump what you need to jump, yeah, then then you know otherwise why play off?

Play off?

And so we had that conversation.

Anciday.

I thought it was very interesting that the technique that they use.

I just thought it was I thought that was horrible.

I went back and watched it a couple of times.

It the sticks, that's that's just said.

At the stick, that's what they teacher just said, at the.

Sticks, you got nothing.

You know, you have to play aggressive.

That that's one of those moments where you can't be cute with it.

You know, you have to you know, you have to psych yourself up, you know, to play an aggressive technique.

Did you that's where the safety was.

I didn't.

I'm gonna I'm backing it up for it.

So I have a problem.

I have a problem with that.

You said get back, didn't you?

You said get back over your game.

You said, nobody's going to lose this one on the big play.

All right, Ever, soon don't hit, don't play on it.

Okay, you can see where the safety is playing.

Yeah, whoa, Yeah, that's fortunate.

In the film, that's right.

They had to widen that a little bit.

Man, that'll burn you.

That will burn you.

And I think that's what that's what gives everybody the reason to make the questions about what's going on at the top.

And look, man, how do you do that in that situation?

Like you said, don't play cute and hate.

I hate coming down to that.

It shouldn't have even come down to that to blame the game on that.

Lets you know, you screwed up way before that.

And by the way, the safety started nineteen yards deep and he went back four yards.

Well, you know, you gotta get your depth.

But let's let's what they tell you.

Let's not worry about the sixteen don't worry about your two hundred and sixteen yards rushing.

Yeah, I mean you were already in trouble.

So I mean, you can talk about Bland all you want, you were already in trouble.

I hate those games where somebody else does the system's not working, then all of a sudden we get.

It ironed out.

Then while you're ironing it out, that play happens, right, and now we say, oh, well that was the play.

No, no, no, you know what the play was.

You know what the play was.

It was the next play when dubdle goes for nine yards on first down.

You only have two timeouts.

Let the game is over.

It that about the timeouts when we first sat down.

That would that hurt?

Yeah, those time outs at the end, loss of time outs at the end, that really hurt nobody.

Nobody's excusing.

I don't think anybody could excuse two hundred and sixteen yards being given up rushing.

But I think at the end of the day, even then, you had an opportunity.

To players got to make play.

You had an opportunity.

That's your player.

It'd be a different thing if it was two sixteen and you're you're getting beat forty five to three, you know, and then at that point then you know why you got drummed.

But if you are in the fourth quarter with an opportunity to make a stop, why play it like that?

So that's a moment that just messes up the narrative of what happened the entire game.

Yeah, right, look at you're picking out Yeah, you're picking out one thing.

Out of sixty.

It's a bunch of running plays in there.

Well, the linebacker, I'm sure didn't hit the gap, right, A defensive lineman, you know, getting blocked, not getting off his block.

That probably happened the entire game.

If I were just look at the what you call it all twenty two's the entire game.

Did you look at it?

Oh?

Yeah, a lot of it.

Yeah.

They were getting knocked off the line of scrimmage.

But they were and then knocked off the line of scrimmage, not just them not getting past.

They're getting knocked off the line of scrimmage.

That's what you're telling me.

Well, and there, you know, there are times where, for instance, one of the questions I wanted to pose, Okay, the Cowboys have now gone three different defensive coordinators in three years.

Okay, you had Dan Quinn, and you had Mike Zimmer and now Matt Eberflus, And your recall with Quinn, it was the strategy defensively, is you play the run on the way to the quarterback.

Yeah?

Okay, And that's what it seems like these defensive ends are doing, is they're basically they're playing the run on the way to the quarterback, rather than setting an edge, rather than thinking or defending the run first, it's all about getting to the quarterback.

There were times in this game where Carolina took advantage of a defensive end crashing towards a quarterback, and it just leaves the.

Same thing happened in the package game.

The same thing in the package game.

You got defensive end like, oh man, he might get there.

The quarterbacks handing the ball, but so Ibra Flus with his system.

Okay, it's technique that you're you're trying to teach these guys.

This is the way we're playing.

When they came into the league and they've been taught three different things with three different defensive coordinators, and it takes time.

How long?

How much time does it take?

I don't know.

I mean that's my thing.

I mean, yeah, how much time does that take?

Tom Langer taught people to play the flex just in the training camp, and all of a sudden, the guy comes in, he can play the flex now he was he was all accustomed to the traditional way of playing defensive line.

And you brought a group of guys in here all the time, and they were they weren't always wimer you talk the guys how an entirely different way on how to play football on the defensive line and linebacker position, and very frustrating for a lot of those it was, but they learned it and that can well came out better for it.

So you know, find the guys that can learn it or stop learning, stop teaching.

It's the frustration there is when how long do we wait?

When are they going to get it?

Now?

When is that light bulb gonna come on?

Yeah, I'm playing the game, Okay, I know what the technique is.

Okay, I still got to get to the quarterback.

Well, damn, they run for two hundred plus yards.

Let's stop worrying about the quarterback.

To Bill's point of the top on their depth chart on defense, top twenty five guys, Yeah, fifteen of them weren't playing here lest right, so there is a lot of youth and a lot of newness.

Well, they go three deep, so.

They're all playing for different defensive coordinators.

Right, So whether it was these defense, whether it's dam Quinn, they're playing for a college defensive coordinator.

And are they're spending the season on injured reserve?

So did our defense get better doing those three terms?

You know, zimmer still can't stop the run.

Here's one thing on Iberville can't.

By the way, it's still a continue.

That is the consistency right there.

Can't stop by the way on Iberflus and I have it written down somewhere.

I can't run.

Here we go.

His first year in Chicago, okay, he's in twenty twenty two, they went three and fourteen and they had the thirty first ranked run defense in the league.

His second year in Chicago in twenty twenty three, where did they rank with their rush defense number one in the league.

They went from thirty first.

See here we go, Now we got wait till next year.

They went thirty first next year.

Hanging that offense.

From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.

Now he was let go at that right after Thanksgiving last year, and they wound up with the twenty eighth run defense of the league last year.

But it wasn't all his work.

But we always have twenty three.

He went up to number one.

It is possible.

Yeah, over a nine year's time, it went from thirty one to one.

Hey Bill, there's nowhere to go but up.

Yeah, he lowers the bar.

And then what was the Cowboys defense.

Last year they were basically what they are this year.

They are Yes, they are yeah, yeah, And that's the frustration.

That's twenty he inherited.

So we didn't just start not being able to stop the run.

That's been happening for a while.

They didn't have it, they didn't have been aping.

Who was the defensive coordinator last year.

It's Mike Zimmer Yeah, and.

Then before that dan Quinn and they got run right out of the playoff game with dan Quinn's.

Okay, and this is where these stats can be deceiving.

Okay, what you're talking about.

In twenty twenty three, they got in the playoffs, they got run, and then there were other key games Buffalo comes to mind in December where they could not stop the run.

Of course, that was the year Lateon vander Esch gets hurt and he has to move Marquise Bell to linebacker and he was basically starting linebacker.

And Jordan as Jordan Loved told Michael Parsons in an offseason podcast, Hey, we looked over there and number four teams playing linebacker.

We're not throwing the ball, we're running the ball at But guess where the Cowboys ranked their total defense that year under Dan Quinn, but their total defense was fifth.

They were fifth in points allowed in twenty twenty three.

They were sixteenth in run defense that year, middle of the pack average.

But what we remember are the biggest play the biggest moments in the biggest games.

Yes, they couldn't stop the run, yes, right, that's true.

Yeah, part of that was you had a quarterback playing at the same level that he's playing at right now.

He was second in the MVP bow So they were playing and they finished twelve and five that year.

They were And so these rushing stats they don't matter because the teams were trying to play catch up, that's right.

So they weren't running the ball.

You know what we need, We need a stat for making big plays because you can look at all these stats right to running whatever yards giving up?

Did you make a play for me?

Right?

Against the Jets?

They gave up yards, right, but they made a play play right, Yeah, that's right.

And that's what's not taking place.

They're not talking about a play.

Donovan Wilson made a play.

Yeah he did, your guy.

Donovan Wilson.

And then he didn't make some plays too, and we get more mix shots coming up in just a moment.

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We had some breaking news from Mickey Spagnola during the break.

I asked him more about what Jerry had to say upstairs, and he said that.

Jerry said he's encouraged.

He did.

There's one person in Cowboys Kingdom encouraged, and it's Jerry.

It's the king.

Please explain.

I think he was he was talking about the defense with he.

Was talking about the defense and he's enroached.

Is that where you're.

Saying, because he kept pointing out that you've got reenforcement reinforcements on the way where well overshown.

Okay, okay, that's one.

Revel who would have been starting had you know he not well, they might not have had him if he didn't get hurt in Carolina.

Got hurt a year ago.

A year ago.

Yeah, that's reaching.

So yeah, I know, I know reaching, Sanborn.

I don't know you, Sanborn.

Well, I mean, I'm just saying there's an injured player.

Right, you know when that's that's kind of I'm.

Talking about offensive reinforcements and.

Then offensive reinforcements to Yeah so.

Maybe maybe, but maybe.

You score another touchdown, right if you have two more starters on the offensive line, and two of.

That's the problem.

Very well, man, I tell you what we could use.

We could really use a nice pass wrestling linebacker.

That's what we could use.

Right, now, whoa wait a minute, you just stepped in.

You just stepped in it.

Okay, what long is?

But it's still at least a month, about six weeks before or overshit, and we already established that it's probably after the buy.

Every week period.

There's there's nobody more electric than the Marvin Overshown.

This guy is instant speed or how long, instant physicality, all of those things that the Marvin Overshonn brings to the table this team needs.

The only problem with that is the last that we saw the Marvin Overshonn in the Cowboys uniform, his hit his leg was almost severed.

And I have I'm going to continue to say it.

I know that this young man has working his butt off.

I come and see him over there on the bands and Coors working his butt off.

But to even insinuate to think that he can come back and be any of.

That is hard ass.

Second, that is a tough and for me, I just feel like with those that feel like, why make a trade at this point, I feel like, man, why rush your young linebacker back at this point?

Lit Let that heel man, let him get better, allow him next season.

And I understand, honest, where we are right now.

The reinforcements are needed.

But this is a guy that's gonna be as much a part of the future than he is.

A part of the present.

One thing I brought up, you want to break up point out something you mentioned yesterday.

Were we on the same wavelength the text you sent out?

Oh you get text.

Defense the important?

Yeah?

Important.

Uh.

We touched on it briefly yesterday.

But I believe that I ain't gonna quit.

This team really misses DeMarcus Lawrence is run defense a little cheeky.

Yeah, man.

There's a little graphic that showed his performance he returned from injury.

They played, they played Jacksonville.

He had two sacks, five quarterback.

Hurries, five tackles, five tackles, two tackles for a loss.

He had that game.

He had that game.

You know, a typical season, a typical season for DeMarcus Lawrence here he would had around sixty five tackles in a sixteen game season.

That's four tackles a game.

Whatever.

I mean.

He is one.

This whole idea of playing the run on the way to the quarterback, well, no, he played the run, okay, but he also got to the quarterback.

And that's that mindset of excuse that the importance of being unselfish, because you don't get paid for megan tackles at defensive end.

You get paid for getting to the quarterback.

That unselfishness and the ability to set an edge and defend the run.

That's what's missing I think on this defense.

And he's not just a but I think as a rocker can get there.

But he's just not there yet.

Yeah he's young, right, Yeah.

I stop having the conversation about your Davian Clowney.

How's he playing?

He hadn't made any lash play.

Oh in the game, it was only sixteen sacks or so this this.

Week, I ain't sixteen snaps.

Yeah snaps?

Okay, did I say sacks?

He had a hell of a game.

We missed that completely the NFL, right, I mean.

No, he got sixteen sacks.

Okay, but but but the quarterback didn't have the ball?

Right?

Is that what Rico had at sixteen yards?

Yeah?

Field, oh man.

We're looking for somebody to come in and have an impact in Davian Clowney was the guy that we all were thinking, we're going to have that impact on his defense, and it hadn't happened yet.

And the reason why you know it is nobody's talking about your David Clowney anymore.

He went from being the savior to now nobody's talking about him.

What did you think he was going to just show up on the field.

I don't know, Mickey, I had.

I was with everybody else in that thought.

Who's everybody else?

You know, everybody else, here's what help, here's what, here's hurt.

I was looking forward to some type of production.

I was looking forward to him that.

Well, we saw somebody that's it right there, and that needs to continue.

You know, what is a move inside move?

I said, I don't care what what his numbers are.

Are they showing where he's getting closer?

Are they showing what he's making plays?

Are they showing where he made the tackle?

Or is he out there just still trying to.

Get On Sunday, he played twenty five percent of the snap less than twenty five percent of the snaps and made one tackle.

Okay, and so that's okay.

Here're your defensive ends.

Okay, you got Clowney who had sixteen snaps in that game.

You got Sam Williams.

Now, why did he only have sixteen sacks.

Snaps got me saying, that's the question, because he's not out there to play the run, right, and they needed people to.

Play to run.

Sam snapped at Fowler play Fowler played eighteen snaps and he's another one like.

Clowny liability against the run.

James Houston.

Okay, here's another one.

I have run fourteen snaps.

Wait a minute.

Neeland started the game.

He clearly was bothered by his ankle.

Not only it was clearly in his play and there was one play later in the first half where he was limping and came off the field.

And he missed last week's game against the Jets and was limited in practice.

But they knew they needed their best and we've talked about it yesterday.

He's probably their best run defending defensive end.

So he starts the game, but it was obvious from the start he wasn't ready to go.

As Iraku had thirty eight snaps and Sam Williams had thirty seven snaps.

Your defensive ends.

And.

As Iraku had one tackle, two quarterback hits, one tackle for loss.

All these Sam Williams.

Sam Williams had.

Four tackles in between the tackles, right, what's that all the runs are going in there.

Some were.

I mean there was one they got out that I pointed out yesterday where Sam Williams is crashing towards the quarterback and I think Jesse Holly tweeted out the end zone shot of it.

It was the hole.

Everything was from this wall to the other side of that hall.

But on that way Sam Williams' defensive end and he had leget the wide receiver who's blocking him.

Well, he crashed to the quarterback.

Maybe he was coached to do them, maybe always the scheme they were playing on that, but whatever, it left a gaping hole there and Murray tried to get over and got and then Shamar Thomas behind him.

Uh he got cut off by a guard and so it was just a but it's actually only an eight yard carries.

But is that paper?

What you're insinuating is the majority of our edge rushers are hunting for sacks.

I'm not saying there I was talking talking to Bill.

I'm saying, I mean, I think there's a mindset of that where there were and I showed Mickey this.

There was one great uh no game play exactly.

In fact, it was after the dabtle one and as Araku on the other side.

Now, dawdall was was worn out by then and so he was out of the game.

DJ Dallas carries no gain, But it wasn't because DJ Dallas was the running back in not Rico.

It was because as Araku set the edge.

He didn't get credited with the tackle.

But he wasn't his job exactly.

He did his job and someone else, ready Stewart or somebody filled the hole and made the tackle.

And so anyway, I think I think a lot of it is just it's It's my point is I think it's fixable.

It's just you got to just do your job and then the discipline to just do your job, don't try to do too much.

And I keep asking myself, what is what hasn't he tried in this game?

He was a five man front.

I mean people were talking about that one two.

He's done it all.

I mean, at this point he's gone through the full gamut of defenses.

Don't pick that up, whatever.

Pick that up he calls.

He must not be close.

He's frustrated.

All right, Maybe we'll maybe Naden Frisco leaves me a message and I can relay that to you.

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I did towards the end of that last segment.

I rudely ignored it, and but he getting called Everson, right.

I think he called everyone in the room.

I was the only one to pick up.

I don't know he really wanted to and there's no seating here for.

Him, and it's he was right.

Just do your job.

Okay, that touch what he said.

Just that's the message, the message from Natan Firstco.

Just do your job.

So all systems can work.

All systems can work.

You just got to get the players that you need that understand your system and they can carry it out the way that you want to carry it out.

Would you be surprised if all the guys that played on the defensive line so far, now this is percentages going into this last game, only three guys had played as many as fifty snaps in a game, So telling you they're rotating guys in there, they're searching, they're looking, and they're not getting what they do, you know what they want.

Kenny Clark and Osa o'diggee Zua have and I'm assuming with the however they played in this game they were at more than sixty snaps and the only other guy with fifty was Sam Williams.

Could you imagine being down off on the defensive line and you are bumping heads with a guy every freaking play and you get one tackle and you played like forty five snaps.

You know, you're just ramming into this guy.

You get one tackle, I mean, come on, man.

And they were doubling the tackles Kenny Clark and Osa.

So now you got your linebackers then, but they were doubling them so much they were backing into the linebackers, and so the linebackers couldn't get along.

Remember when you get the double team, they would tell you, but take up two blockers, you drop, you do something, but make sure you don't.

You occupied them long enough so that your linebacker could get in the gap.

You know, I remember that, and I don't play freaking linebacker.

Javonte Williams first run of the game, he got four yards.

They triple team Derek Brown, the number ninety five Carolina.

They got ways triple team him, and he's still He shed all three blocks and got made the tackle.

Jack Brown's a different It may not be the right person to use an example of that about man.

You're still you know, I'm starting.

I'm a starting defensive tackle and I'm gonna I'm bumping heads.

With this guy for fifty plays.

I can't make one play one I can't get off the block one time.

I can't save my linebacker from that peeling off offensive line of once.

Because that's all they were doing.

That's that's that was the ball.

Okay, So wait.

You you scouted the offensive line for Caroline, what'd you say about them?

But they were missing three starters, That's.

What I was.

And that was optimism in your voice when you said that, And I carried that with me, and I'm pissed off right now because I don't have that with me.

What is that optimism?

Bill?

They got?

They happened.

They got away with more double team blocking than you should be allowed.

Have we ever?

And here's the problem.

The Cowboys majority of that game played with two linebackers.

Why they were worried about who eighty two?

What's your guy?

Trump Trumble?

He kind of looks like a tight end, plays like a wide receiver.

They were they were using an nickel guy on him, and then they're running the ball because he's big enough to block.

Why are we making these adjustments that we can our defense?

I mean we should make they should be making.

The adjustment was a lot.

Tommy Trumble had four catches for thirty nine yards, and the adjustment worked on him.

Lefel got twenty seven snaps, and so the linebackers they basically they basically Cowboys had three linebackers on the field for twenty seven.

So now there are times where as you know, they were running a three man front, basically a three to four, trying to make an adjustment because they weren't something the run otherwise, and so you had there were a couple of times at least where Leah foul and Sam Williams were the outside linebackers and they would have Clark, Solomon, Thomas and Osa as a three man front.

So and some of those snaps from Leahouer in that situation, they.

Were bringing Donovan Wilson up a lot to put another guy in the box.

It was almost we.

Talked about that, but we talked about going to backs play man the man and bring the safeties down.

And that's quote unquote his strength, Donovan Wilson playing around a line of scrimmage.

And then when you have him around a line of scrimmage and he's missing tackles and he's being blown out of gaps and things like that, and it doesn't look good, doesn't look like it is his specialty.

And then when you back them up and he gives up a touchdown versus t MAC.

You know all of those things, Man, I think are blaring to say, Man, this defense just isn't very good.

But did you guys last night Monday night, watching the Commander's game?

I gotta ask calm an opponent the Chicago Bears, right, did you say watching that game, oh we got the Commanders this Sunday?

Did you say that that optimis?

You didn't say that.

Nothing about that game told you like, man, if Chicago could do that against them, then I know what we get in there with versus these guys.

Here, right I am?

I am, yeah, I figure spilled over?

Not anymore?

Not?

Is it over for that like that anymore?

I I You talk about making the adjustment to a tight end and you put in only two linebackers against the team that just gave up that that just had a running back russell of two hundred and eight yards, and you decide, hey, we.

Got to stop this tight end.

But basically what was happening they were doubling the defensive tackles.

So the tight end or a wide receiver responsibility was to block the defensive ends.

So why not have three linebackers in against the run that that has been successful previous week.

Didn't want to give up big pass play, task play.

What are we talking about here?

Man, we're worried about the tight end.

You just gave me one of my keys to the game.

Get Bill, Get Bill cross Yeah, Bill, that's a team V show.

Why would we Why would we worry about a tight end when everyone's knows that the running game, it's what we need to stop.

You're not worried about zach Ertz.

This game, this zach Ertz.

I know Zach, but we have a lot more problems than Zach.

Right, well, and then the other question is right, just like the Cowboys hoping Ceedee Lamb gets back this week, the Commanders are hoping Terry McLaurin gets back this week.

He's been out, he's missed the last three games.

For them, and this may get lost in the shuffle.

But they had another backup playing free safety.

Right, I'm guessing Hooker was starting for a reason and jan Ye Thomas was a role player.

Now he's a starter.

I don't know how many steps let me he was on the field.

Let me say that if you're waiting on one.

Person, no, I'm not saying no, I know you're not.

I know, you know.

My point is all of these one player remedies, it's the system itself.

If the system is right, that one player will only enhance what you're doing.

If the system ain't working, then I don't give a damn who you bring in.

It's not going to be remedied.

That's that's my point.

I know that's not what you're thinking in REGARDSS to one guy making a difference, but that lets you know where we are right now.

The system should be able to survive one injury a one particular place.

You know what, at the defensive tackle position.

By the way, they've got too many three technique defensive tackles right.

The only one technique is going to stop anything is Kenny Clark.

So there's there's a you're looking for a trade target.

There another too.

Well, here's the deal.

They drafted.

They drafted in the first round a run stopping defensive tackle two years ago, and he was inactive.

He can't get on the field, So that one spot is giving them problem, which allows them to double team the three.

Yeah, meanwhile, Carolina's got three of those out out on the field at the same time.

Right, not only Derek Brown, but A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown.

And two of those A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown, they live like ten to twenty minutes away from AT and T Stadium corner where they got signed in free agency.

By they could have got an uber to go try.

All right.

That's that's a round of time.

Out of time man.

We'll talk at you again tomorrow.

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