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Well, good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome, Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the Taj Mahal of football at the SWBC Mortgage Podcast studio here in Frisco, at the star home of your Dallas Cowboys.

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I'm Heck Maharrison, and next to me is a Super Bowl champion that loves to play golf.

He's already given us the morning about his attendance for next week.

But he is a Super Bowl champion.

And my Mayor Everson Walls is in the building.

And the man that the show is named after, Mickey Spagnola, graced us with his presence.

He is here today as well.

Bill Jones will be here by the third segment.

So, guys, as I get an opportunity here Dallas Cowboys dot Com to host a show, I make sure that I check in with my co host first to see how your mind is and see how you're doing.

Everson, how are you, sir?

My mind is good and I'm glad you you asked, because everyone's not doing as well as we want them to believe.

And I'm just blessed that I have, you know, a good, good, good people in my life.

That's awesome, man, sir, that is awesome.

Mickey, how are you?

I'm good, happy to be here, happy to be here.

All their game on the docking.

Yeah, we got a big one.

We got a big one, guys.

And as I've gone through this and looked at the you know, I'm sure you got an opportunity to gaze at the rundown for today, of.

Course, and you know I'm sway wait, let me give a like, Okay, I give it.

Look at it, well, look at it one more time, because I think where we start is in your just evaluation of the Washington commanders this week.

What has you the most worried about this young commander's squad?

Mickey?

Oh, Jaydon Daniels, Jayden Daniels.

I was gonna say.

That the Cowboys health going into the game.

What is it about Jayden and Daniels as a quarterback that really has you more because.

He'll take off and run when you're expecting it and when you're least expecting it, and you better be ready.

And that combined with his ability to throw the ball that improved greatly his rookie year from when he was in college, which really surprised me because when I would watch him at LAH it was like, Oh, just force him to throw the ball, do not let him run.

And the fact that his accuracy and recognition downfield improved as a rookie greatly made him even that more dangerous because he can run the ball.

And uh, yeah, that that's the part that scares me the most.

You can tell me about Scataboo and McLaurin and whatever they're doing on a defense that's kind of average.

I think this is on him and I think it proved out last week in the loss right they turned the ball over.

He had a late turnover that led to the winning field goal.

U.

So yeah, to me, it's all about Jayden Daniels and his youth.

I think if you're the Cowboys, that's something that you want to attack.

You want to, you know, put him in unfamiliar situations if you can yes.

Not that saying a lot to pay.

That's the biggest thing, right.

Well, yeah, because our big enemy from doing that is ourselves, because our defense will not allow us to get in a comfortable situation or even have a comfortable lead at this point.

I like Jayden Daniels a lot.

His overall game is amazing to me, but it's just like anything else.

Sometimes he goes He goes to the well too often when it comes to running the ball.

And I get it, he's got that ability, but you've got a lot of guys out there that are trying to come at you on defense, and as a running quarterback, I don't know what who that backup is?

Who is the backup?

Oh, Marcus Mariota, Mariota Mariota Marioda.

Okay, yeah, he think he did it's dirty last year, didn't he.

We're about to win the game.

They split They they lost lost the game to him the last game of the thought, but they beat Washington the first time Turpin had a kickoff for a touchdown.

Not just kickover, be kickoff return.

We talked about it, yes, right, And then the fact that they tried to onside kick when they got within one point after missing their extra point and then Janier Thomas took it to the house forty three yards.

It just this a rivalry first of all, a divisional rivalry game, so's no telling what can happen out there.

I look for it to be a close game, but I don't want I don't want us to put Washington in a position doing it just like we did last week Carolina to where we have to stop them to win the game with one score.

I just I could beg all I want, I could have all the optimism I want at this moment, like this is going to be the moment where everything changes.

At this point, I don't believe that our defense can answer the bell when it comes to Wow.

I mean, you have no proof.

I have none.

I hate saying this, but I have no proof.

And you know, when you're talking about division right with, this game is extremely important.

Yes, and so many ways.

Our record needs to be around five hundred going into US so we can keep up with the rest of the people in NFC East.

Then FC East alone, we could lose track of it.

Hopefully not because everyone's kind of losing at this point.

But when you have opportunities, you need to take advantage of them.

This is an opportunity for this team to do something with the bad defense that we had.

Well, if you think about the two of the three losses and the tie, they had opportunities right and then either tied or got beat.

You know, you mentioned the rivalry and somehow Cowboys Commanders doesn't have the same field Cowboys of course not and I the same right organization without Redskins out.

There, it's completely different.

Mentally, it feels different because it doesn't go back to what you remember on thanksgivingsnection it is.

It's a disconnect and I don't know how you and I guess renew the rivalry.

But since twenty twenty one, the Dallas Cowboys in nineteen and seven against NFC East opponents and that's a damn good record.

I think you'll take that.

But this season is a little bit different for some reason, in the aura around the team, I think it's a little bit different.

But the thing that worries me in this game is Jayden Daniels.

But Cliff Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator, the once Arizona head coach who has found a home in Washington, d C.

And has a offense to go with it.

A young quarterback that I believe you know, admires him and is really running his offense to the t.

The way that our defense is struggling in communication and his creativity as an offensive coordinator is that it's not And that's why ebra Flus's interview today is so important because he understands that he has his hands full with an offense that has a bunch of artillery.

And you take into account of guy like scared Terry McLaurin if he is healthy enough to come back, Deebo Samuels, that's Zach zach Ernst the tight end.

But they have some role players and you know it's one of those Gladys Knight and the Pips.

One thing you don't want to do is get beat by the Pips, right Well, they they have some pips out there.

They can run the hell out the ball and running back is concerned.

I think the thing that the reason the rivalry is.

A little bit different now because the Redskins, the Commanders have not shown up in the division.

You know what made the Redskins, I'm sorry, what made the rivalry with the commander the Redskins at the time so important was we were always at the top of the NFC East one of the other.

And you know, so we got accustomed to that.

That makes a great rivalry because the games mean something.

You know, at each time, this game means something.

I think these two quarterbacks, they really are at the quam of the crop as far as the NFL's concern, and I think.

They would bring back the sense.

Of rivalry just from the competition between those two alone.

Well, if you think about it, the rivalry really didn't get started.

I mean, I know how it got started.

I should do this again because every year they play, I bring built a copy of my book.

Yeah, just to remind him, and he.

Goes, I got about three right, right right, just trying to help you out.

But the rivalry really didn't start to the early seventies when Georgia Allen was out there.

They got back, and now they took something away from what the Cowboys thought was their inalienable right.

They go to the Super Bowl.

Win the NFC, and all of a sudden they got beat playoffs by them.

And then he tore down He tore down the signs right all around Texas Stadium.

You know you're too young.

They tore down those signs all around Texas.

Google's my friends, very disrespectful.

You tell down my sign man.

Some fans didn't jump down there on joy.

And then the Cowboys got into it when no, it was too tall, thought that they had uh sent the funeral reef to them in seventy nine, remember, And then they beat them and it was Harvey.

There wasn't no Harvey Harvey and threw it into the dog one jet.

They were all kneeling, They were kneeling in the locker room crying.

They made them start.

Grown men cried, you know, and even when they told Harvey, but you know, we've done the research and nobody from the Redskins did this.

It was somebody from the Cowboys senate to them, just acting like it came from that was Washington, d C.

Because that was an exciting was that the game.

That was on that game for two years Hill that's right on Lamar Parris, right, yeah.

And they beat them because the winner was going to win the end nfcast.

The loser was not going to be in the playoffs, right, so it was a big deal.

And Harvey walked over there in full uniform helmet.

I pulled open the door because he didn't even know how to get there.

Somebody had to show him how to get to the visitors locker room and threw it in, slid it on the floor, and they were all on their knees saying Postgate prayer.

Yeah right, Hobby More.

That was part of the rival of that just kind of went into the eighties and and really even in the nineties when the Cowboys got good and the Redskins.

So the bottom line when you said, you know, they usually one or the other with winning the division.

The year we wrote the book was the first year and forever neither one went the playoffs?

Right?

That do for me nice time?

So are you saying that we need to call Golden Gate funeral home to the Star?

Yeah?

Right?

I mean because at this point when you when you think about this defense and you think about that, and I think that's the one thing that gives you pause about this game is how is our defense going to handle the artillery uh that they deal with that that the Washington commanders have.

Do you think it's going to have to start first with being able to stop the run?

And if so, who in the hell do you have on this roster in that starting eleven that you trust that can can stop the run.

As far as the run is concerned, I don't see us doing well.

Uh, this team is very good at running the ball.

The running back, I can't remember his name, but he's a little bitty guy and he.

Chris Crosskey, Maryrior, I mean Bill, excuse me, not Chris.

I'm thinking Chris Bill Bill Crossby.

And I said scatterb I meant cross Yeah.

Yeah, well Crosskey if I can just call him that, this Bill, this guy is really good.

Uh.

He fits in with this offense that has a lot of talent on it.

I think Noah Brown is on IR.

Yes, he's he's injured.

He's injured.

He he was listed.

I think they put him by an IR finally, So they've got some injuries to deal with.

They do by the way they do, and by the way their defense is ranked twenty six and they are three and three.

So let's not build them up.

No, not doing that.

Lord, No, they've got as many losses as the Cowboysts, right.

I think we're I think building them up comes from what we just experienced versus the Panthers, and and that's why we started with the offense, because we realize that if they're able to get their running game going, then all of the other weapons that we're talking about are going to be at Jaydon Daniels disposal.

Well, they're going to score thirty points.

And see it's up to the Cowboys offense to score thirty.

So so I heard someone talking about it last night and it makes it Listen, do we need to start extending our drives through down?

Do we need stuff?

Don't want to have big play?

Got going for worth down?

Like we gotta go for if it's sort of like that possession of the game we have to against Carolina.

We have to settle for a field goal.

We got to stop selling for field goals.

Our offense.

We've got to ride it more, I mean, more than what we have.

And that's saying a lot compared to what our office has been doing right now.

As far as I'm concerned, fourth and five, we gotta go for it.

Fourth and five, fourth.

And five, you gotta go for it.

Well, depending on I mean, you got to go for it if you were at when you're going for you know, but you gotta be on their side.

Of the fifty.

That's not necessarily.

Because if not, it's a touchdown going the other way.

The last thing you want.

To do is put that defense out there to defend the short field.

All I'm saying is this, our offense needs to extend their drives, the ability to continue a drive.

I don't think we do.

I love our special teams.

We got one of the best special teams around, punter and kicker, one of the best in the NFL.

But as far as I'm concerned, we don't need them.

We need points, We need touchdowns.

We need touchdowns.

We've been doing that over times.

We've had two over time.

But you don't want to see the punter out there on your own thirty yarp Campbell.

You got to do something.

As far as I'm concerned, the games that we that were in that we had that was intact.

It was because our offense was aggressive.

Yeah, and we need to stay aggressive.

I'm sorry we running the ball.

I didn't like it.

First of all, no one ever talked about how badly we ran the ball this last week.

Yeah, not only that, I mean, how do we how do we let them stop us running the ball when we have such when we're so high on our offensive line.

We have not talked about that all this week.

About once again, injuries.

I do get that, but we have had this next man up attitude all year.

All of a sudden, this game against a weak defensive.

Team, the evidence changed because what happened was you ran into two defensive tackles that just completely just stimied everything that you know.

That's oh my god, man, number ninety five.

I mean, they had some guys that were killing us up front.

They owned the line of scrimmage're talking about point of attack, they were taking their defensive line.

Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

When you turn on the tape for Carolina, just recognized the way that number ninety five they didn't have an answer for him, and then they had number ninety four or another guy.

That just it was unblockable.

So then if you look at the commanders, do we have those same issues as far as.

Well, I'm sure they went to work on how the Panther schemed the Cowboys offense.

Right, But having said that, they did score twenty seven points and should have had more right kicking two field goals inside the ten yard right.

So so see, so let's say look at those two plays.

Do you go for those on fourth down if we're in that same position now instead of kicking the field goal instead of kicking field goals.

Do we do we do that?

I mean, do we go for it?

And see that's the mindset.

I'm thinking, no more field goals inside the ten, no more field goals inside the fire.

I'm going for it like this.

The problem with the one is they started at first and goal at the eighth.

Yeah, and they finished that first and fourth and goal at the nine, right, So you had three plays.

I understand.

I understand, Bill gotta stuff.

We have to start thinking this way.

We have to.

I mean, we're waiting on this defense.

Man, we're waiting on it.

We'll wait Chicago, you know.

But Jets, here we go.

Jets.

They kicked a field goal tie game, and they stopped him, got the ball to forty six yard line and went three and out, which gave them the ball and they ate up the final what six seven?

So and that's on the defense.

The thinking.

The thinking was good, but you know.

It's okay to go three and now, but six minutes.

To go in the game, you thought, get the ball back.

Yeah, so.

Did everybody.

It's not those guys, I mean, but they've were That's and that's the the argument I think for Cowboy fans is that we're expecting Dak to be perfect in every situation, and he has to be.

At this point, if you're talking about we're waiting on the defense, Mickey just said it.

The Commanders are going to score thirty points.

You're basically in a shootout.

That means that the Cowboys have to score thirty five every week, every week.

This is where we are, and I think we have to that.

We're not even talking about maybe the defense can get a stop because even in those games that go back to Green Bay, you score and was it forty six seconds left?

That they went down in forty six seconds?

And I mean we're not talking about six minutes.

I mean so, I mean you talk about six minutes versus forty six.

As a defender, you're thinking, man, forty there's no way, there's no way, there's no way.

There's no way they're going to be able to get down most enough on this box, No way.

I was having such a good time, man, and they just ruined it.

I couldn't sit at the last drive.

I just couldn't sit there and watch it.

And you scored thirty seven points, Yes you did, And you have to go to overtime at home and then you scored forty.

Yeah, so you can't even talk about the crowd.

You can't even you can't even use that mo man.

No, that was very Hey, that was very unique.

But we're gonna take our first break because I want to talk about our great wide receiver and severs.

I want our great You're not.

This particular one to talk about our great Well, pick a name, we'll be right back.

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And speaking of drops, well we're back here on mixed shots.

We're not talking about but did you those stay drops?

And then you're about to bring back this dude.

No, no, no, no, no, no, not talking about I'm talking Did you see what Penn State had to drop on James Franklin the buyout.

Of the money?

Yes, oh my god, I am no.

No, they fired him, so they had to buy out his coach.

Yes, the coach.

My fifty million dollars.

That's a lot.

That's a lot.

That's a lot of money.

You sit there and go please a fire me me now.

If anything starts with the fifty million, I got nothing to do tomorrow.

Golf, yeah, tee, the Burrow.

Yeah.

If his ego is okay.

I think you know what, Mickey, I could buy another ego fifty million dollars.

I'll be all right with that.

The math on that was twenty thousand dollars of the day a day for the next six years.

He got million dollars buyout, twenty million dollars a day for the next.

Six twenty thousand dollars a day for the next six.

So there's probably a deal in there.

If he takes another job, they'll pay the difference.

But I would take it in that.

In that deal, just I found out that he has to look for a he has to actively look for a job.

It has to be over eight million.

I got a lot of friends out there.

They say, no, hey, hey, I'll interview with you, but I don't want to.

You imagine just call me, hey, I'll interview me, and.

You kidding me?

How are you?

Are you kidding me?

So look, we'll get away.

We'll get away from that in state.

I'm sure a lot of people in Happy Valley are not happy about that.

But you have the injury report.

You got to tell me who's good.

Please, Well, when you got it, I saw all this.

They had ten guys limited but no d n p s, so that was an improvement.

And four of the guys limited they're.

Just hurt, they're not injured.

Well, it's guys coming back from injuries.

They did not practice the last few weeks, so you get Tyler Booker limited and he looks like he's good to ceedee lamb.

We discussed it, right, he's breathing.

Jack Sanborn had to pass one more cognitive tests to get out of concussion of protocol and he was in helmet and pads yesterday, so I think it depended on how much he did and then how well he woke up this morning and Cavante Turpin with the foot was in helmet and shoulder pads, so he was good to go to see those guys now limited after they had not practiced for two three weeks, I thought was pretty darn encouraging.

The other one, Kaylin Carson, who he and Mingo now are this week, will complete their twenty one day practice session.

We talked about it, Yes, yes, we did.

So he's listed as full.

They do have a roster spot available from Jalen Cropper, okay, right, and I think he's it's going to get back on the practice squad, so if they want, they can all of he can be active.

Now they don't have to do.

We talked about it yesterday.

The twenty one days are up after the end of the week, so by next Wednesday is when they have to decide are you taking them off IR and putting them on the fifty three or are you leaving them on IR.

So they got a decision to make with those two guys.

League Hooker.

Hooker got put on IR.

I believe.

So his window is now, he's.

Got two weeks, two more weeks that on IR and then the window can open to practice.

So he's going to be out a while.

And then and as we talked about with Overshown, you know, they haven't even started his window, and I'm sure they'll use all twenty one of those days to ramp him up.

So you're looking the middle of November maybe or after Thanksgiving one of the too.

So that's where those guys are.

The other guys limited, Keegan Cornelius, Marshawn Neeland's been dealing with an ankle.

Tyler Smith they got listed a knee, but he played last week.

Donovan Wilson played last week and he's got an elbow and a knee.

Hopefully it's not all on the same side.

So anyway, they listed Diggs in Houston also as fully practicing.

But you didn't say Bland.

He's not even on it.

Good something, so of Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lamb was was who I was.

I was talking about guys as a great receive wide receiver.

That is going to be back and having him back.

We touched on it a little bit, but I really think for Dak his man, he's got to be giddy with excitement to have these two guys on the field at the same time.

Now having that connection with George Pickens, but now you know the connection that he has with Ceedee Lamb.

Mickey, you have plenty of experience with high ankle springs, not as an athlete.

One of.

You have plenty of experience there you go with the high but high ankle springs.

When you've seen guys come back, especially from a skill position standpoint, what's your expectation from CD coming back in and it pretty much a must win?

Yeah.

Normally when I hear that, it's four to six weeks.

Uh, so his he's been out what three weeks and this would be leading up to the fourth so uh.

Usually when they let him back, then they're ready to go.

Uh.

They don't take a chance because I know Jim Auer and Britt Brown, their motto is I'm not going to let you play and then you come back to me because you irritated what you just recovered.

So usually when they put him out there, sometimes it takes two weeks of practice.

But Schottenheimer sagn pretty confident that he'd be ready to go.

And you can see when they were doing drills out there that he was running pretty well, so he wasn't favoring it.

So yeah, And I thought the week before when I saw him doing his rehab on the cords, he was moving really well.

And part of that is not just step step step after the chord comes out, they have him running like run run, and he was running pretty well.

So yeah, I think he should be he should be good to go.

Obviously, Booker just needs to run five yards, right, he'll be good to go.

We'll see on sandboard.

And then same thing with Cavante Turpin.

He was running in the drills very well.

Yeah, and that's a good thing that even if you just say go out there and catch it, at least he's got experience in the NFL doing that, right.

And then after that everything so uh, and I'm sure Washington will have a bullseye on him.

When you look at the matchups between wide receivers and cornerbacks.

Obviously we have the advantage offensive, I would think.

So now you're talking about giving these guys a little bit of assistance, whether it's from a linebacker or whether it's from a safety, and that bodes well for our running game because now you can't crowd the line of scrimmage with anyone you take it.

You're just messing with fire if you do that.

And so I think our offense knows that.

I think Shoddy knows that's what's gonna happen.

They're gonna be double team in one or the other or both.

They're gonna double team George Pickens.

Because he's feeling it right now.

He's feeling it.

I mean, every team that's coming that's gonna come in is going to because he gives you the viable threat from everywhere because for who he is as a wide receiver.

Ceedee Lamb in this matchups like saferest they have with Marshall Latimore.

You know Marshall, Yeah, so great for this to play for the Saints, but also a good to great cornerback in the NFL.

That's a matchup for me.

Ceedee Lamb one on one with Marshall and Laddimow.

I'm gonna expose that all day, every day.

And so that's where I think.

Now when Ceedee Lamb getting back on the runway, it's going to be so much more dangerous for this offense.

Oh and by the way, if you are a Commander's fan, to watch any Commander's football, they have a linebacker by the name.

Of Frankie Louvu, number four.

I don't know if you know much about this young man ever since he is the real deal.

He is, and they dan Quinn moves him around and from the edge, blitzing from the middle.

He does a lot of different things for them.

But they have Drince Armstrong, don't forget about DNAs Deron Payne, you know Deron Payin.

But they have Javon kin Law.

They have a bunch of weapons over there defensively, but for some reason it just hasn't been coming together.

For them well defensively.

That number twenty seven, twenty sixth in the NFL.

I'm man, If I'm DAK, I'm I'm ready.

If I'm c D, I don't care who's over there.

I'm ready.

So once again I'm looking for the running game to improve from last week, because there's no way they're going to leave our guys out there that they're guys out there against our guys one on one.

So Ferguson look forward to having another good game because they're gonna be they're going to be doubling those guys on the out side.

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He got all dressed up, all dressed up.

I should have done that for you, man, I should have done that for you.

Hi.

They're probably in the apartment when we take that break.

Yeah, and we'll spray that down after you take my mind.

That's love right there.

But that's love.

But I give you the back to the cliff notes, Phil.

So we've talked, Yes, we start, Yeah, we definitely.

We definitely him and the threat that he is against this defense.

Talk about getting healthy and having ceedee Lamb back.

Everson has decided, you know, figured out that he does have a pulse and he's breathing, so he's gonna play.

Yeah.

So for the most part, we're looking at all the all of our weapons back to go against the commanders.

And I think also having Pickens having had this opportunity the last few weeks to work with dak Is makes Pickens an even better player than he was a month ago.

And the other thing they can't count on is who's going to be in the slot, because they ran Pickens out of the slot, by the way, and they had been doing that with Lamb, So they can't just assume, well, we got these two guys on the out side, right, is it more difficult to double the guy coming out of the slot or you do it with a linebacker.

And well, yeah, no movement.

Movement will will dictate a lot of things.

Yeah, so it is more difficult on the defense and subside because you got to show your cards.

It's easy for the offense to make you show your cards with most shocking by slot guy, whether it's motion or whatever.

And most of the time when you're talking slot, whoever that guy is, they used to double him all the time because you had a safety coming down or a third cornerback coming down.

If that's what they're gonna do with us, I love that going against Turpin, I love that, bring that third corner down, bring that safety down.

That would be fun.

That'd be fun for Turpin.

And they get a free release.

Can't jam them, especially if you give them nine yards.

Of you're supposed to in a safety in but you say at Chapel Hill, I think you can do pretty good.

For you starting nineteen yards and winds up twenty five yards deepens.

Safeties lined up at the Pentagon.

Tapa Bay used to have their safeties do that.

They were not even in the film.

You thought they only had ten guys playing because the safety was about twenty.

Five years single high or single high too.

Yeah, Beasley Reees, Yeah.

I was thinking they gave new meeting to cover two because the two.

Were Yeah, yeah, not with with the with the no, not that Tampa.

They weren't running Tampa to that right, we're talking to old school Beasley reees.

Can you think of any reason why he would be playing that deep because in fourth and three, oh no for.

Three, I mean I can.

I can understand from the Chicago game where you know you were getting and.

The Giants Giants game.

Yeah, to me, that's what he's got to be thinking.

He's got to be thinking, you may.

Have just decided that we're just going to start your twenty yards and didn't retreat.

When I told you that.

But I told you earlier situational line and work your way up.

So from the goal line and work your way up and when you when you.

Look at how the giants did this, you know the safety back, You're like, you're not going to give me this time?

Well, yeah, well they got you another way.

I mean from the sideline of you see that, what you just start yelling hate?

Come on, what are you doing?

Our time out time?

You can't hear you so far back, he can't hear you.

That would be saving our two timeouts left.

Yeah, right after that, rin o'dowdell nine yard run.

Whoa, look, let's take our last time out.

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Sure, Luke, did you yeah?

And the coach is in good mood?

Good, Okay, he's gotten over ad night rule.

Sounds like we're going to have better run fits on defense this week.

Okay, that's been the point of emphasis run fits.

Did you wish him happy birthday?

We did wish happy birthday number fifty two for him and try to quit counting birthdays at a certain point.

No, we Yeah, he was and he's only fifty two.

Uh yeah, And we talked about I read the chapter, which was a short chapter in his dad's book, Marty Ball and Their Time Spent in Washington, which was twenty four years ago.

One season Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach Washington, hired by Dan Snyder, And the best thing that came out of it is Brian met his wife who work for.

You know, so he hasn't a shot game.

He has an infinity for the commander shotty goy game.

It was funny how many years ago and that was two thousand and one.

Okay, yeah, back daddy line.

What was the line that?

Oh?

What was the line that?

Come on?

Man?

Well, you know it had to alone something like.

It is a funny story.

How how he was he was.

Had to shot, try to be pool, to put it, put ad down, try to be cool.

He was the other day in the press, comed you talk about six seven six seven, yeah, six seven.

Six seven, yeah, six seven, it's the young thing.

Okay, six seven Okay, y'all got me on that.

We have to talk about that.

Bill knows what he's talking about.

I had to look it up.

Google's his friend.

Also, I had I had to be told, okay, I'll check that out.

It is a thing, got a new thing.

It is and it is for real and if you don't know, it really is confusing, really say it.

Yeah, okay, it's a young thing.

And if it's confusing to us, then yes.

So I had to score the other day.

It was six to seven and our and I lie in the in the chat line blew up with six seven sixty seven.

I'm like, what is going on any yeah?

People, but we figured it.

Out this what real quick?

Uh.

Schottenheimer is a funny story on how he got the quarterbacks coaching job with Washington twenty four years ago.

His dad gets hired as the head coach, and he had been on the staff in Kansas City and after his dad was out of coaching for two years, worked for ESPN, actually for one.

Year and uh, but.

Brian had coached at Syracuse and then for Paul Hackett at USC and so he then goes to his dad after he got the head coaching job at Washington, said hey, how about me as your quarterbacks coach?

And Dad's like, well, well, and he finally relented and gave him an interview.

So he comes for an.

Interview and who his dad?

His dad's coming for coming for the interview.

Town comes in for the interview, okay, And they get into the interview and then Dad looks at us, well, I got Chris Palmer coming in for his interview here.

So kicks him out of the office and says, we'll have to continue this interview later because I got Chris Palmer coming in.

He's interviewing for this job.

And uh so the interview resumes at four a m.

The next morning before he had an early flight out the next morning, and so four am.

And it's the first first guy who ever got a job interviewing.

And the guy interviewing was wearing a robe, so they got.

The dress that's good at dinner.

Right, had to make a swift though.

You got to make him SWI can't just give it to him.

But what he did did he say?

Why?

Why?

Why?

He got the job because he's Brian Shunn.

And then he followed him to San Diego and Mama probably called, so what's the hold up?

Right?

Yeah, thank you job.

Now, now that you're reading the book and you have a little bit more experience with Brian, what is the like the difference that you've seen so far between the coaching.

I want some chicken, But but what was the last part?

You were rudely interrupted.

What's the difference between their coaching styles?

Oh, but Marty and Brian, I think their personalities there's a there's a difference there.

Although although and I've got a.

Great friend who worked in Kansas City at the Fox affiliate.

There and just thinks the world of the Schottenheimers.

So Marty was always a great guy to cover from a media standpoint, and a great guy.

He treated his employees just uh yeah, tremendously whatever.

In fact, there's a story from Washington in that book where Dan Daniel Snyder wanted to cut costs on the media guide.

Okay, and so they wanted to make a smaller media guide, and so they were going to take certain pages out of the media guide of people they had, people like people that work for the Washington Organization.

Well, they're the head head groundskeeper at the stadium had a page devoted to him.

And so they come to Marty and said, how about, okay, we'll take out this page.

He's like, no, we are not taking the page out for the head grounds keeper.

Every employee in this building deserves a page in that media guide.

And so that's kind of person that Marty is.

Well, Brian has that same attitude.

The former owner and you want to get rid of all the yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right, once they get rid of the owner, Yeah, that's what they did.

Took a while, yeah, but it happened.

Yeah, And I don't know, I meant, I think Brian probably got I don't know if his uh personality, you know, he's got the he's a very relationship driven, you know, which I think is a great trait, especially taking over this job, connecting with the scouting staff, connecting with every different departments in the organization where everybody's on the same page.

Probably he's got a lot of that from his dad too.

So who would have been the quarterback at that time?

Jeff George was there.

I think Jeff George may have been there the previous year because North Turner was the head coach and I was just trying to think Tony Banks was there and who lives here locally.

Yeah, yeah, but Marty, Marty have the reputation has been a you know, a harday yeah coach, which is completely different than what you think of Brian Schottenhamer As far as his reputation, I.

Think, but I don't think he was like that off the field.

It was his reputation.

Was that was his coaching style as far as the way his team plays, Yes, you know, was.

He had a stern look.

Yeah.

I think Brian took uh more after from a personality of his mom's mom.

Yeah, joy right, I believe that was it anyway, But yeah, he's because when she was here when he got hired, she was really outgoing.

And I said, okay, Mark.

It seemed like he was always yelling at somebody sideline.

I mean that's what I remember, not nothing good or bad.

I just know he wanted to be heard and we want to make sure everyone was communicating.

I remember him more from Cleveland, right was Cleveland his Cleveland in the early ages, and then he was in Kansas City and then Washington and San Diego.

Yeah, so now this relationships are important, and obviously I don't know if you guys read it or saw it.

Dan Quinn's relationship with Brian Schottnhaimer going back over eighteen years.

Between those two, they've known, yeah, that they've been together for quite a while, and they said, look, you know, friendship be damn when we get out here on this field, is you know, me versus him.

Quinn was the d line coach for the Jets when Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator.

So two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight is when Quinn was with the Jets.

Then he went to the Seahawks from there under Pete Carroll.

But remember in the press commers.

The other day, Brian said something about going back to Hofstra and then I asked him, Okay, so because dan Quinn played at Hofstra and then he coached at Hofstra for five years from like ninety six to two thousand.

Okay, so where were the connection to come there?

He said?

It was because the Jets trained at Hofstra.

Yeah, and so.

When Dan was there, he was a big man on campus and during training camp because he knew all the people at Hofstra.

So look at us connecting all the dots, uh huh.

And then he and more recently twenty twenty two, I mean we talk about we talked about Mike McCarthy's relationship with I heard it Mike McCarthy's relationship with Schottenheimer coming here, But truly it was dan Quinn's relationship with Schottenheimer that got Brian here in twenty twenty two, and why he was working with the defense more so than the offense.

Not to say that Mike didn't want him here, but what real, what sold it was he was going to be working hand in hand with dan Quinn, and he was helping dan Quinn with the defense by basically being an advanced scout and.

But they said know a lot about each other.

Yeah, they know a lot about each other.

How they play calling and everything.

Well, and Joett Junior is a play caller and defense and he was here too, and so yeah.

So that cancels everything out.

It does?

It does?

No one's got it.

Okay, you need another copy of the book on the Rivalry, or he got enough.

I seemed to bring that.

I seemed to bring it to you every year.

He's another one.

I got one.

Bring it tomorrow.

I'll bring it tomorrow.

Okay, on it's already Friday.

We're not playing their fight song, are we No, we're not playing that fight song.

That will play other fight songs.

So even though the rivalry started with their fight song.

Right, Okay, that story tomorrow on the next edition of Mixed Shots Old Cowboys.

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