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Mick Shots: No Shining Star

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Speaker 1

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2

Cowboys.

Speaker 1

This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys apt now.

Here are Bill Jones, Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 3

It is the morning after and we are inside the SWBC podcast studio here at the Beautiful Star in Frisco, Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

After a Sunday night loss to the Minnesota Vikings.

Three games left in this season.

I've billed it as the Twelve Days of Christmas for this team.

Yesterday it was day number one of the twelve day Days of Christmas.

Three games in twelve days leading up to Christmas Day, and we'll all have a merry Christmas.

And the Grinch stole Christmas.

Speaker 4

On Sunday night, there was not a partridge in the but there was a no there was a purple partridge in the pear tree.

Speaker 5

What they said there was coal instead of candy.

Speaker 3

That tree exactly right cold.

Speaker 4

So whatever analogy you want to make.

Speaker 3

We're here to pick up the pieces.

And there's a we could start any number of places.

But even around the league, it wasn't just the Cowboys.

There are other organizations that was not It's not a it's a very blue Monday.

Speaker 4

Many so many, Green Bay and Cinnati.

Well it's been, it's been over but now it's mathematically.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and it's not mathematically over here yet.

Speaker 5

I hate that.

I hate that, man, because now we're still holding up.

Speaker 3

You'd rather just go ahead and bed, Let's just.

Speaker 5

Be done with it, man, Let's just see what we got going on for next year.

I still want to win every game.

I want to spoil everybody's party, whoever thinks they're going to come in here and try to go through the Cowboys on the way to the playoffs.

Speaker 3

And I want to find out who wants to be here next year.

Speaker 5

There you go, there you go, So do they That's a good one right there.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that's what I was thinking driving in.

Speaker 4

Now a lot of young guys may get opportunity.

Speaker 3

Now we're going to find out who wants to be here next year.

Speaker 5

And you know, there's still the same thing about ninety four, you know, having him having that flag and things of that nature.

That was I think that's still something that they should live on for quite some time.

I mean, it is part of their their fabric right now, and I think it should bend.

I think it should remain that because it really has brought them together as people, which is very unique nowadays in these professional sports organizations.

Speaker 3

All right, well, let's talk about what happened last night?

Makey do you where do you start?

Speaker 5

Look at the look on mickeys?

Speaker 4

Well, uh, it's it's a deep subject.

Speaker 3

How long did Shutenheimer talk after the game last night?

It seemed to go for a good while.

You don't know, we don't have to I mean specific.

Speaker 4

I want to say I thought I saw three minutes.

Yeah, because I was recording it.

Speaker 5

Why is that unusual?

Speaker 3

Yeah, especially after a loss.

Speaker 2

You know, he's out of there.

Speaker 3

But he was, you know, and he's always done that.

It takes every question and there's a maturity about him and.

Speaker 5

A little contemplation.

Yeah.

Speaker 4

Yeah, And unfortunately I forgot to turn my recorder off.

Speaker 6

It's still thanks for that, Vicky.

Speaker 2

Was I want to say it was?

Speaker 4

I want to say it was like thirty minutes.

Speaker 2

Uh.

Speaker 3

I mean, he's very unusual prescontin even after a win.

That well, I just know I was getting ready for my show.

We were on late last night and I was listening to Schottenheimer doing other things, getting ready for the show, and then I'd come, i'd leave, and i'd come back and he's still talking.

Speaker 4

So I was wondering why.

When I was in the press box writing and I looked at my clock and it was like one thirty, and I said, why is it so late?

But the game ended at ten thirty.

He must have gone eleven fifteen or something time he got in there.

But you know, I thought, I thought he explained things very well, awfully well, and took responsibility.

Speaker 2

The two things.

Speaker 4

That stuck out to me was early he said we just didn't play very well.

Uh, And to me, that interpreted it as they just weren't good enough.

And then the second thing, he said, Ryan Flores did a better job than I did.

Speaker 5

And that's what I figured he would point that that was the game.

I knew he would be mad enough to point that.

I mean, it was.

Speaker 3

That was one of the first things he bought it out.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and my column's not up yet, but I basically said they blitzed the Cowboys into submission, not only in the game but the season.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and Dak was the same way, talking about their zero coverage and yeah, it was what we talked about coming in, and we didn't have answers for it.

Well we I forgot it would beat it.

Speaker 4

I got some next gen stats for you.

Okay, So he he ended up being like twenty what was it, twenty three of thirty eight for two hundred and ninety four yards.

Speaker 2

Somehow someway a lot.

Speaker 3

Of some of that game on that last drive right after.

Speaker 5

It was he was twenty not much of it.

Speaker 4

They pressured them, I mean pressured.

Yeah, they pressured them twenty one times.

So it had been forty dropbacks, and he counts the two sacks fifty one point two percent.

They blitzed forty three forty six point three percent, so that's right at nineteen and yet he threw for that many yards.

Speaker 3

And I think on the season, Floris's defense blitzes forty eight percent.

Yeah, so he's right at They were prepared and I had they were going to do.

They just didn't have the answers.

Speaker 4

I found out Friday in the locker room, guys were talking and got pointed out that when he was the coach at Miami, he blitzed Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2

When they were playing Baltimore.

Speaker 4

Twenty eight times, just kept going and and the Cowboys never did anything to discourage him from continuing the blitzes.

Speaker 5

I thought they did.

Speaker 4

A couple of times the Running Game, The Running Running Game, they hit some runs, but they needed to keep doing it.

And then you're down to what one running back and you lose two of them.

Gavante Williams did come back, they lost lip Key.

Speaker 3

Came back with a vengeance explosive run after.

Speaker 4

And then he happened halftime worked for him, and then suffer He's out.

Speaker 5

Yeah because he was running well no.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and and because they had keep they were bringing him in on third down to help with blitz pick.

Speaker 2

And then they said, well, let's.

Speaker 5

Just they said, right in between the center.

Speaker 4

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they've done that several times.

Speaker 2

They've done it.

Speaker 4

Yes, almost like he was a tight end the way he lined up.

Speaker 5

But the problem wasn't in the middle.

The problem was the guy's coming from the outside.

Speaker 4

Right, and they didn't chip enough or they didn't use the tight ends enough, but they couldn't discourage him from continue.

And you know, when I think of a blitz, it's like, well, the safety came right.

Well, they were sending the safety the linebacker.

So now that's six and now two linebackers and.

Speaker 5

That's safety is running back.

Speaker 4

Yeah right, And at one time they had eight guys on the line of scrimmage oh many times, and they all came yeah, now three of them will drop yeah, and you don't know which three are going to drop it, right, And so that's but that was him.

That's that's what Dak explained to me on Friday.

It's like you think you know, and then it's the guys they drop off and confuses what you got to do.

Speaker 2

And they were talking about but we got rules to do this and do that.

Well, they just overwhelmed it.

Speaker 5

And that wasn't just the brush, it was the coverage.

Yeah, because you know Dak will throw it in there.

I mean, he's gonna give you a chance.

But he didn't even want to give him a chance.

This time.

It was that tight on the window.

And you usually see Dak, I'm gonna try you, right, I don't care who you are.

I don't care if it's Lord nor, I don't care if it's it's CD.

I'm gonna try you.

And he he would.

He was like Mahomes was against us.

He kept wanting to pull the trigger and he wouldn't.

And that there's two small quarterbacks that decided not to do something.

So you're not open as far as I'm concerned.

Well, and and here's here's my thing about how shy you could have attacked that.

And you know, we got all kinds of ways to do it.

But when you have zero coverage back there or even just one high, you gotta run rub routes.

They do it to us all the time.

You you you run the receivers, you run the dbs into each other.

You make them try and work their way around it in the midst of making a play or trying to make a play.

And I didn't think we went deep enough.

I know that the blitzeres are coming, but then I'm gonna throw it up to you.

You know, you need to win at the line of scrimmage, and I'm going to throw it up to you.

And we didn't do any of that.

Speaker 4

They didn't attack the middle of the field, not at all.

But the tight ends were probably trying to block.

He got hit eleven times and they had five passes defense.

Sounds like last week, so to me, when you have that many passes defense, then your guys aren't that open, right, you know what, you're trying to fit one.

Speaker 5

That's right, you're trying to fit it in and he will try it.

Speaker 4

And the way they played their defense, they were making sure that they were funneling guys and.

Speaker 5

Well, we kept the routes short.

And see that's the thing we were doing two years ago when we lost to Green Bay.

After a while, you have to say, you know what, man on man, and that we have the two guys to do that.

We have three I like flowing over against anybody.

Yeah, so let's send them towards the middle of the field.

Let's send them, let's test the outside.

And we were just so conservative in that regards and I don't know where that came from, because we haven't been conservative throughout our entire stretch of these needed games.

And that just disappointed me so much.

Speaker 4

And they weren't conservatives.

To start the game on the first possession, right, you have a fake field goal right like that, and then I just love for some reason, I thought I thought I thought he had bounced it to him like a basket.

Speaker 5

That's what it was, like a basketball play, you know, you come across the screen screen, you're man, there you go, buddy, flip it over.

Speaker 3

That was sweet, you know.

Speaker 4

And even at that, they go for it at fourth and one, they go for it at the goal line and it's like, okay, I don't want field goals, right, I want touchdowns.

Speaker 5

And eventually they field goals.

Speaker 4

Actually, if you count the fake, they were in seven field goals situations.

They made four of six, and I decided that, you know, I always say the more field goals you kick, the closer your id to losing.

Now I got to make an addendum, the more you miss, the closer your.

Speaker 5

No, no, the more your kick your kicks.

His leg gets tired, that's.

Speaker 3

What that's only, he gets tired from running the football.

Speaker 5

That did it?

Speaker 7

Our covering to be a multitask, right, I had to make a tackle on the kickoff, which, by the way, Uh, the coverage improved, didn't it did?

Speaker 5

Everything about special.

Speaker 4

Team they made they made a priority because I saw, uh the itinerary we get.

Speaker 5

Uh.

Speaker 4

There was three special teams meetings between Saturday and Sunday and they were highlighted like yeah, better be there, right, And the coverage I think I don't know if they got past the.

Speaker 5

Third years, well, no, I made they made the jack off.

They made adjustments.

Speaker 2

They did a good job, and I saw where.

Speaker 4

Quite a bit some of the starters were actually playing on special teams.

Yeah, so that improved.

Now the kicks he missed fifty one fifty nine, he.

Speaker 2

Pushed them both to the right.

I don't know why.

On the first one.

Speaker 4

When I was writing it down, he's going to attempt and I'm going, oh, he's gonna miss.

Speaker 2

I just said he's gonna miss.

Speaker 4

And I watch him warm I don't I don't know why.

I watch him warm up because he hits everything.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he hits.

Speaker 5

Everything, the same thing yesterday.

Speaker 4

So yesterday when that fake took place, I just assume, Okay, I'm writing down, made right, and then they faked it yeah yesterday.

Yeah, and he warmed up great yesterday.

But you know, at some point, you're human.

Speaker 5

And that's that's the thing about this importance of this stretch.

We talk about referees.

They're gonna let you down.

Something's gonna let you down.

Speaker 8

You know, like the whole we need he need everything to be almost perfect.

Yeah, and it's hard for perfection to sneak in to be to be perfect one hundred percent, but to be lawless, you're only going to be flawless on eighty percent of your place.

Speaker 5

I mean, that's just the way it goes, you know.

Speaker 4

And Schottenheimer emphasized a couple of times that they just weren't good enough on third down.

Well, they converted a season low two of twelve, two of sixteen percent.

But there was a reason why, because those third downs were long.

They weren't doing enough persistently on first and second because they only converted two of nine, right and and that guy.

Speaker 3

But they converted on fourth down.

Speaker 5

Yes, and Cowboys had fourth down conversion, and they were willing to go down the field in one on one situations.

They tested our corners.

Speaker 3

If I told you you were going to hold big fourth and three downfield to beat Rebel.

Speaker 5

Then I thought the costs some one heard.

Speaker 2

Carson heard, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4

If I had told you Justin and Jefferson, all I can remember is watching LSU play and it's touched Jefferson, that's a light two catches for twenty two yards.

You'd take it.

You're going, oh, we're gonna win, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5

But you didn't know something to give up a touchdown to some.

Speaker 4

Other Naylor guys going to step up and didn't even.

Speaker 5

Know he was also l s U right, I believe.

Speaker 9

So.

Speaker 5

They're known for their wide receivers.

Speaker 4

But they just gave up too many explosive plays.

Speaker 5

There's a there's a point to where either it's going to click or not, and I was did not because it wasn't just one thing.

It was a plefel of things that we could have looked at, several that we talked about, but also just the penalties and crucial situations that could have helped us.

And when I say crucial situations, I don't know how many penalties we had, not many, but they were bad.

Uh the kickoff return.

Speaker 3

You're talking about the CJ.

Goodwin, the whole, the whole, by the way, before he gets too far away, Naylor went to Michigan State, but it was and on that kickoff return here were you there when Cavante was talking about, no, I wasn't kicking during the week, Oh yeah, up to the game, talking about, well we need to start holding like.

Speaker 10

The right team, right all right?

Speaker 4

Right, Well you know what good one told me, the same thing.

He goes they got away with so many holds and he was talking to Detroit or Detroit.

Yeah, and then they get called for holding.

Speaker 5

He was what you cant depend on referees.

Speaker 4

They will let you that forty or thirty five yard line wherever he was.

Speaker 5

Yeah, we had a couple, We had a couple of big plays.

Speaker 2

Off seven seven penalties.

Speaker 5

But they were they were just at such inopportunity times, right, and we don't have we don't have room for era.

We didn't have it, not only just in the season itself, but you can break it down to almost every play.

Speaker 2

We just don't need it on the goal line.

Speaker 4

When they got called for illegal touching or whatever, they had stopped him right.

They showed the replay and they called it on Murray and.

Speaker 3

I watched it.

Speaker 4

It was he didn't touch anybody.

Speaker 2

They called.

Speaker 3

I think the back of the TV.

They showed a replay and it looked like it was.

Speaker 5

Yeah.

But but once again, was he still in the pocket because he came out of that pocket fast.

Speaker 4

Right, and they while the quarterback was in the pocket right.

Speaker 5

Yeah, it must have looked at it, but but it didn't happen that fast.

He didn't hold him until he went to the back of the end zone right right by that time, he's already scrambled out, the quarterback had already scrambled out of the pocket, and.

Speaker 4

They were so close five yards that had that gets you halfway into the end zone right from where they were.

But again, but again everything adds up as you as you said.

Uh, and and the fact that they went three for three on fourth down, Yeah, that really that really hurt.

Speaker 3

All right, just getting starts did here.

We've talked a lot about the offense in that segment.

Let's talk about the defense.

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Speaker 3

All right, we continue with Mixed Shots.

By the way, we should mention that we will not have a show tomorrow because you're in the community doing great things, right.

Speaker 4

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Speaker 5

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Good stuff, and we're missing you HEKMA today and we expect TECHMA to be back on Wednesday when we reconvene.

All right, let's talk defense now, and I'm telling you third possession on in this game now, okay, the first possession, second play of the game.

Dodovan Wilson blitzes ball, gets batted up in the year, including by the quarterback and Quinn Williams as his first career interception, and the Cowboys are in position the fake a field goal and score a touchdown and take the early lead in the game.

Speaker 4

Do you think they set a record for as the most plays from the thirty five yard line in had eleven plates?

Really was thirty five in.

Speaker 5

Well, here's what I know.

They listened to mix shots because we told them they need to start off.

Speaker 4

Faster, right they did.

Speaker 5

They game I strong and you know, no, no three point is no.

No.

We want to we want to please mix shots.

Speaker 2

That's right.

Speaker 5

Give us the old no look pass and seven nothing that's right with the ball.

Speaker 3

All right, And then the Vikings get the ball back and it's a punt.

Okay, Now there was a good punt.

It was a punt that was sixty four yards.

Speaker 4

Well you got it.

Speaker 10

No, that's what I mean.

Speaker 3

It turned out to be a good punt in that it went good.

Speaker 4

You think it was in his head?

Oh no, I can't fair catch it.

Speaker 10

You know what it was.

It was such a bad punt.

Speaker 2

Right, he couldn't have to go there.

Speaker 3

It was such a bad punt that there was a Vikings player between Cavante and the ball where he could not come up and catch the ball.

Speaker 5

Well it was the Cowboy player as well, yeah, right there, right, And that's a good strategy because it does give them a god pause.

Well, like if I go over here, he might hit me, you know, I might hit them.

I might miss the ball next thing, you know, they get that's right.

Speaker 3

But from a Vikings perspective, the good thing on the punt for them was that it rolled farther than it traveled in the air, and the Cowboys were then pinned down back at their own three yard line to start that drive which flipped the field.

And then starting with the Vikings third possession, they go two plays fifty four yards or whatever it was for a touchdown and their next seven possessions.

The Vikings score on six of those seven possessions, four touchdowns and two field goals.

Speaker 5

And we're not talking going against his own well, just man, the man.

They beat us in every defense we tried to play, and I don't know how that is.

Like I said, the only success we had was when they threw to Jefferson.

That's the only time we felt good about any past He's.

Speaker 3

Either going to overthrow him or Jefferson on one of them just dropped it.

Uh huh, was like he was so surprised that it was our target.

Actually pretty fast, I think, so, I don't care.

Speaker 10

He's still just he got off of the fast too.

Speaker 5

I mean he got up and ran over to the to the huddling.

I guess he apologized.

Speaker 3

Sorry what I said, all those overthrows.

Speaker 5

Right, but now you got to get a stop.

You have to get a stop.

This defense is so confusing to me because we have the talent, but the scheme itself has to be the problem, because you can't tell me that this group of players that we have on that front.

I just take the front four.

I think if you got a front four with a good scheme, even that front four, no matter who the linebackers are behind you, they should make more plays in the making.

We should still get more pressure than we're getting, which makes no sense to me.

When we have these studs on our defensive line, we should not be There's no way that Jared Golf should be sitting back in the pocket having a good time.

There's no way that JJ should be doing the same thing.

Not the entire game.

I just didn't.

They were maybe pressured.

What do you think they had?

Speaker 3

Maybe he got your next gen stage made pressures.

Speaker 4

Oh, I'm sorry, he is he I was looking something up?

Speaker 3

Is it about what we're talking about?

Speaker 4

He had said they got off to such a good start, right, and I was sitting there going, well, we forget in the third quarter they were up twenty seventeen, right.

Speaker 10

Yeah, and they got up twenty three seventeen too.

Speaker 5

Well.

Speaker 4

The problem was they had a third and eight and they got a false start.

So now it's third and thirteen and they ended up fourth and three at the eighteen yard line and I'm sitting there, do not kick a field?

Speaker 5

Go for it?

Did I want to go for it then?

Too?

Speaker 4

And he was like and he answered it, yeah, shotten him.

He said, we needed we needed points.

But I'm sitting there going, okay, you're up twenty three seventeen.

Touchdown you're behind, and that's exactly what happened.

And they took a deliberate delay a game and it was like, no, just go for it.

You're at the eighteen.

At least they got to drive all that way.

Speaker 5

If you don't get it, what en see?

Sorry, no, no, no, that changed they that's the difference between last night and how he coached doing this stretch.

Speaker 4

Or the beginning of the question.

And then he didn't.

Speaker 5

Even the beginning of the game.

There you go, even the beginning of the game.

Now you can't.

This is not the time to step back now, you know, this is the time that we gotta have, you know, what the young people talk about.

Speaker 4

And then and in Nate Thomas defense, there's no defense, but the blitz was coming and he.

Speaker 2

Just overreacted unfortunately, you know.

Speaker 4

And then it's twenty three, twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 3

Three, and well, but okay, to your point on kicking the field goal on fourth and three at the eighteen, Schottenheimer kicks the field goal.

Okay, all right, it's twenty three to seventeen.

Vikings next drive is when they had the fourth and three at the Dallas thirty seven yard line and they go for it.

And that was a twenty three yard past to Naylor and they wound up getting a touchdown on that had to take the lead twenty four to twenty three.

Speaker 2

See, and then that next possession, they.

Speaker 5

Don't have the weapon.

Speaker 3

They don't have the weapon place kicker that the Cowboys have, so they don't try the fifty five yard if you will go and go for it.

Speaker 5

Yeah, but once again aggression paid off.

Speaker 4

See and he had and I wrote down all day in the pocket on that on that plate twenty three And then there was and then the one I mentioned it was first in goal at the four and uh, they batted the ball incomplete and that's when they called a legal contact on Murray.

Speaker 2

Wasn't on Murray.

Speaker 4

So it goes from second to first and goal at the one and two plays later touchdown.

Speaker 5

He was.

Speaker 4

He was the first time the guy ran the ball the whole season, the full.

Speaker 3

Back, the first time that was an unscouted look and he got a touched out one yard.

Okay, Mickey, can you talk about the first touchdown by JJ McCarthy on the fourth down on the goal line.

Speaker 10

Oh, talked about it off the air rant on the air.

Speaker 4

I said, if there's any indignity.

Losing is allowing him to run that play fake and he trots into the end laughing.

Okay, it's real funny.

Speaker 2

Huh yeah, that was a killer.

Speaker 4

They blitched and made the tackle on the guy that didn't get the ball.

Speaker 5

I know, I mean, don't you be intelligent?

Speaker 3

Yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 10

What I was thinking.

Speaker 5

How many people, No, it's not even that.

When you're if I'm a corner lining up, I'm like, I'm not going for that.

Speaker 3

Right, It's just that, and it's and it's.

Speaker 5

Okay in the heads be smart exactly, but this is that's college reaction.

That's a high school reaction.

And oh man, we got too many veterans on this team for something like that to happen.

Hey, it was so bad.

Peyton Manning would be envious of.

That's how bad that was.

Because Peyton's was bad.

I mean, he ran slower than Peyton did.

It just made no sense.

Speaker 4

Well, maybe that's what happens when you failed to get any pressure on the opposing quarterback.

They never sacked them once.

They hurried them maybe four times, maybe five times at the most.

Speaker 5

When you're in this kind of situations fast and it's so busy, looking out for everything.

You don't see anything right, and because you know you once again, the margin for area is so slim.

And so when you're trying to talk about what watch this, watch that, watch this some inexperienced guy, I guess we did have with some inexperienced dbs out there that you know, they're getting caught up in the moment.

That's not what veterans do, you know.

And even if I was a coach, I would have sent someone.

I don't know.

I'm pretty sure everyone on the sidelines is watch the bootleg.

Wat's the fake.

You don't just this is not this is not the so though you know this is not the so though we you know, we play smart, we play with poise, and that as you get desperate, it's harder and harder to do that.

Speaker 3

We don't have a show tomorrow.

We won't convene again until Wednesday, and so I want to get Everson's thoughts on the veteran that did not play in this game and hasn't played in the last eight games, and what's going on with Trayvon.

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Welcome back to the second day of the Twelve Days of Christmas for your Cowboys team got the Chargers on Sunday at the Washington Commanders on Christmas Day at noon, and let's talk some more about what happened on Sunday night, the thirty four to twenty six loss to the Vikings, which was the now eighth straight game that Traymond Diggs has missed, and the news came down on Saturday that he would not be activated from injured reserve.

Despite the factor in the week, it sounded like that he was trending to wards playing.

We even talked about it here on the show.

I think that we should do possibility or good possibility he'd be playing.

And so, what do you think is going on here?

Speaker 5

Well, right now, I'm a little confused because at one point we thought we knew exactly what was going on with Trayvon Diggs in regards to his non participation and his attitude.

It seemed to be in the locker room and on the field itself.

Uh, And then we see some bright optimism when it came down to his participation.

Speaker 4

From him from him, yes.

Speaker 3

Yeah, with him talking, not from.

Speaker 5

Now.

They've been giving him the stiff arm.

He'd been getting the heisman from the organization themselves.

Speaker 4

So and it was always about consistency.

It was across the board, whoever talked about it, talking about needing to be more consistent.

Speaker 5

Well, when you look at this team and you look at the makeup of the secondary.

Speaker 2

We really could use him if indeed we.

Speaker 5

Really he's ready to need him, if he's ready to play, right.

Speaker 3

Gary, he talks about health with him.

Speaker 4

Yeah, that I watched when they do their individual drills, when.

Speaker 2

He seemed to be moving just fine, something else is up.

Speaker 5

Well, it's like you said, he's gonna be He's in a whole other category in regard to the relationship in this organization.

You know, they don't know.

They seem to know what he's going to do come next year, even the end of the end of this season.

As far as I'm concerned and for the fans are concerned, I think they've given up on him.

Speaker 4

Well, first of all, the only guy that didn't play in the game was Joe Milton, So forty eight guys, however many it was, they all played.

Now to get him on the fifty three, you've got to cut somebody, now.

I can't imagine they couldn't find somebody to say, all right, last minute, we're going to let you go and then we'll put you on the practice squad.

Although I don't know that you wanted to give up on any of the guys that were inactive Tobert blue guiton for injury reasons, Toya and Winfrey.

But you got to cut somebody to put them on.

Speaker 3

Either cut them or there's an injury, you can put them on.

Speaker 2

Yeah, And I think maybe that.

Speaker 3

Puts him out for the season at this point they were hoping for.

Speaker 2

And it didn't occur.

I refuse, I refuse.

Speaker 3

To believe a lot of Sometimes sometimes it just kind of takes somebody.

Speaker 2

Yeah or something, yeah, hamstring.

Speaker 4

I refuse to believe that they were just trying to save fifty eight thousand dollars, because that's which is it's all the game.

Speaker 5

Are they trying to save him for whoever he's going to well in?

Do they want not to damage the goods or hurt that knee?

Speaker 4

Yeah, depending on what they wanted.

Speaker 5

So that that that means that their minds pretty much would be made up.

And if you use that scenario, their mind is made up that Okay, we're just going to hold him over here, like like China, we don't want to we don't want to break the China.

Speaker 2

And like Cardinals with Kyler Murray, there you go, same thing.

Speaker 4

And I'm sure there's still upset with the home accident that put him in concussion produce right, right, So I just think there's.

Speaker 5

Best kept secret secret in town.

By the way, absolutely nobody can keep a secret anywhere, but we want to know about this one that we cannot find out.

Yeah, you can only speculate.

Speaker 3

But it's coming to a head this week because his twenty one day window is up this week.

So if he's not activated for the Chargers game on Sunday.

Speaker 4

No, no, no, it would be after This is the last seven days so.

Speaker 2

Washington following two.

Speaker 3

Christmas for the Washington So it's come into a head within the next eight days whether he's going to be shut down for the season or active.

Speaker 5

I gotta say, uh, I don't like those broken relationships, you know, especially when you have someone who was as valuable to this team as Diggs has been.

When it comes to your mind and your heart, it ain't always in it, and it kind of it betrays you because it puts you in a bad light sometimes because you don't react well to what's going on.

And right now he's just not reacting.

Well.

We know he's a hell of a player, but he's just at the time that this was started happening, he just wasn't presenting himself in the best light.

Speaker 4

If you look at the games he played previously, it didn't look like he was all in.

Yeah, I mean his coverage whatever they were asking him to do wasn't top notch.

Speaker 5

That was that was really early on.

Yeah, you could only improve from there, right, which there was some improvement, but it just didn't you know, it didn't lead to success for us well.

Speaker 4

And the other thing is his attitude towards the team was almost like Parsons.

Parsons attitude towards the team didn't improve until he was in contract negotiations.

Then he was all in right, and with Diggs he was kind of the same way.

Then when he came back after his stay on injured reserve, it was almost like, oh, I'm interacting, I'm part of the team during warm ups, I'm with everybody, and it was.

Speaker 2

I think, I think he's changed.

Speaker 5

And I think, you know, the tragedy that we had had a lot to do with that as well.

I think he couldn't help but be drawn in right by the closeness that was surrounding this team.

Speaker 4

And that's a good thing, almost by osmosis, right there, you go.

Speaker 5

Yeah, I mean he had to just organically, you know, you see the attitude of everyone around here.

You can't help.

You couldn't help but be affected by that, right, And so I'm hoping, man, maybe it's too late, but I'm hoping that gives him a totally new light that shines a totally new light on what he thinks about this team and his future with this team.

Now.

Speaker 4

I know, playing ping pong in the locker room with your teammates is not always a signal, but I never saw Parsons interact until he's that contract was being negotiated and Jerry kept talking about a leader.

All of a sudden, he's playing ping pong.

Well there wasn't a ping pong table there before, but just being in the locker room with the guy.

And then like a month ago, all of a sudden, Digs is in there interacting.

Speaker 5

Well, either you interacted, you're all alone.

Speaker 4

Yeah, because that's is everybody else.

Speaker 5

Everybody else is all in.

Yeah.

And so if it's if he's forced to come in, then that's fine as long as the result is he's in.

Yeah.

Speaker 4

But and are you ready to play?

Speaker 5

Well right now?

Speaker 4

Hell?

Speaker 5

I think is are you?

Are they ready for you to play?

Right right now?

I think that's what we are.

I don't think I think it may be out of his hands.

Speaker 4

Oh it is, yeah, because he can say what he wants.

It's it's up to them if he's playing or not.

Speaker 5

And if they gave me a vote, I want him here.

I want him here.

We need some talent in our secondary.

We got to have it.

Speaker 3

And if you were Trayvon right now, with three games left in this season and not knowing what your future is here and with the one percent chance of making the playoffs, what would you want to do right now?

Speaker 5

If I would trade?

I want to play.

I'm sorry.

Any player wants to play that, that's that's the question.

Should you play?

That's a whole other thing.

If I just came off with a knee injury, I had surgery and all of that, and I've been ramping up all this time, I want to play.

Speaker 3

You have to payoff to what all that work you've been putting in.

Speaker 5

And if nothing else, show somebody else that I can play.

If that, since it's out of my hands, show somebody else that I can play.

Okay, you you know it's my fault.

Yes, now here we are.

You hold the cards.

I want to show somebody else out there what I can do, because right now yes, my fault, but right now I don't trust your decision for me.

Yes, it's my fault.

But now, even though you hold the cards, I still have to do what's best for me starting from here.

Speaker 3

Uh could her?

Michael Parsons has a torn a cl and of course Patrick Mahomes of the torn a cl as well.

Speaker 5

It's a tough day yesterday, just a tough day for football, and we have failed to point out that.

Speaker 4

Your one percent chance means the Cowboys got to win three in a row and the Eagles lose all.

Speaker 3

The Eagles three games or two against Washington won at Buffalo.

Speaker 4

Well watch watch out for them, commanders.

Speaker 5

Yeah, okay, think you'll help us out.

Speaker 4

There on a winning streak.

They beat the Giants.

Speaker 3

And there's no chance.

As far as a wild card.

Speaker 4

There's I started counting up and there's five teams.

The only team had they won, at least they would have passed Carolina, which is seven and seven, and you would have been seven.

Speaker 5

It's like every team ahead of us, they beat us.

Speaker 4

It's almost well, Detroit or Troy, Carolina, Green Bay, Tie and Green Tide and Chicago, Yes, but they're in first place.

Speaker 5

How about it that you.

Speaker 3

Feel Bears in Minnesota's almost passed you now six and eight and finally Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2

Unbelievable.

Speaker 3

I can't even comment it was the only thing bad was it didn't pay off in a win, right, and he had the lead, right, he had the lead.

They kick a field going to go up sixteen fifteen and late in the game, and then the Seahawks come down and kick a fifty six yard field.

Speaker 5

You got you got dag back here running for his life, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3

Classic thing.

Did you see the video of Rivers high school team in Alabama?

Speaker 5

They had a watch.

Speaker 3

Party, of course, Oh I saw, yeah, yeah, Saint Michael's Catholic High school whatever.

They're all around the TV.

And when he threw the touchdown pass the place, of course, he erupts.

Speaker 5

So anyway, now when I see him sitting back there in the pocket, you know, I always got a chance to win.

I see Dad back here playing his butt off, and you know, don't get me started now, I mean, you got a defense, can't, can't.

Speaker 4

And you made you made a good point when you when you said he was cocking like he was ready, and.

Speaker 5

It's like, no, no, that's the way Mama was the same way, same way, same way.

Speaker 2

Should have rolled him out just from the start.

Speaker 5

Yeah, all right?

Speaker 3

Does it for a Monday edition of Mixed Shots.

Enjoy your Monday and Tuesday, and we will see you again on Wednesday, high noon.

Speaker 5

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Speaker 1

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